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April 20, 2022

Some Of The Weapons Delivered To Ukraine Will Be Used Against Us

The U.S. and its proxies in Europe are moving an enormous amount of weapons into Ukraine. But no one has an idea where those weapons will end up. It is likely that many of those will proliferate outside of the Ukraine and some of those weapons will inevitably hit those who now deliver them.

In a review of the U.S. war on Syria Aaron Maté details how the Obama/Biden team empowered terrorist networks in Syria:

Based on declassified documents, news reports, and scattered admissions of U.S. officials, this overlooked history of how the Obama-Biden team's effort to oust the Assad regime – in concert with allies including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey – details the series of discrete decisions that ultimately led the U.S. to empower terror networks bent on its destruction.

The U.S. pushed an enormous amount of weapons into Syria. Those weapons did not end up with the 'moderate rebels' the U.S. propaganda had elevated but in the hands the most ideological committed and most brutal actors on the ground:

Although the Obama administration claimed that the weapons funneled to Syria were intended for "moderate rebels," they ultimately ended up in the hands of a jihadi-dominated insurgency. Just one month after the Benghazi attack, the New York Times reported that "hard-line Islamic jihadists," including groups "with ties or affiliations with Al Qaeda," have received "the lion’s share of the arms shipped to the Syrian opposition.

In a repeat of that 'strategy' the U.S. is currently pushing an enormous amount of weapons as well as mercenaries into Ukraine. The bigger stuff it delivers is not of much concern. But the huge amount of small arms and small ammunition, the anti-tank weapons and the handheld anti-air systems are of serious, long term danger. These fit into a car trunk and can easily be smuggled across boarders.

As I explained previously the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine will become a danger primarily to European countries but also beyond:

Whitney Webb writes that the CIA is creating a new al-Qaeda. This time as a white supremacist rightwing militia. A part of these are mercenaries currently getting recruited by western 'security' companies. These militia will use all the 'small' weapons NATO countries are now delivering to the Ukraine to attack Russian troops and their supporters.

This will have serious backlashes in Poland and Romania from where these troops get deployed. In the longer run it will lead to rightwing terror coming back to those countries who are now supporting these forces. It will also help the longterm trend of rightwing parties increasing their share of votes.

Together with the economic devastation that U.S. and European sanctions on Russia are causing in their own economies this will end in regime-changes in several European countries. The U.S. is of course again protecting itself from as much as it can at the cost of others.

If there is a lesson to learn from Syria it is that the most ideological committed and most brutal people on the ground will not only proliferate their ideology into other countries. They are also the groups which inevitably end up holding the most dangerous weapons. They will give some to those groups in other countries which have the same ideology.

The fascist groups in Ukraine are not a Russian propaganda invention or just 'nationalist'. Back in 2018 even the NATO lobbyists at the Atlantic Council called them a dangerous threat:

Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

Over the last eight years those groups in Ukraine have had lots of contacts with similar groups in other countries. They have invited foreigners to fight with them on the frontline with the Donbas republics. These are potential buyers for the weapons that are now being delivered to the Ukraine.

The U.S. has no idea who ends up with the ten thousands of weapons it is now providing:

The US has few ways to track the substantial supply of anti-tank, anti-aircraft and other weaponry it has sent across the border into Ukraine, sources tell CNN, a blind spot that's due in large part to the lack of US boots on the ground in the country -- and the easy portability of many of the smaller systems now pouring across the border. It's a conscious risk the Biden administration is willing to take.

In the short term, the US sees the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of equipment to be vital to the Ukrainians' ability to hold off Moscow's invasion. A senior defense official said Tuesday that it is "certainly the largest recent supply to a partner country in a conflict." But the risk, both current US officials and defense analysts say, is that in the long term, some of those weapons may wind up in the hands of other militaries and militias that the US did not intend to arm.

Transparency International ranks Ukraine as number 122 out of 180 countries. The lower the rank on that list the worse the corruption. Whoever officially gets handed the weapons in Ukraine will likely put a part of the stash aside to later sell it to whomever may be interested in them. That will be easy to do:

"I couldn't tell you where they are in Ukraine and whether the Ukrainians are using them at this point," a senior defense official told reporters last week. "They're not telling us every round of ammunition they're firing and who and at when. We may never know exactly to what degree they've using the Switchblades."

The Defense Department doesn't earmark the weapons it sends for particular units, according to Pentagon press secretary John Kirby.

Trucks loaded with pallets of arms provided by the Defense Department are picked up by Ukrainian armed forces -- primarily in Poland -- and then driven into Ukraine, Kirby said, "then it's up to the Ukrainians to determine where they go and how they're allocated inside their country."

One can not trust Ukrainian officials who claim that these weapons will only be used for good purposes:

Privately, officials recognize that Ukraine has an incentive to give only information that will bolster their case for more aid, more arms and more diplomatic assistance.

"It's a war -- everything they do and say publicly is designed to help them win the war. Every public statement is an information operation, every interview, every Zelensky appearance broadcast is an information operation," said another source familiar with western intelligence.

Zelensky constantly demands more weapons and no one has an idea where they end up. How many will he himself set aside to later sell and who will buy those?

The experience from the war on Syria tells us that the weapons that 'fell off a truck' in Ukraine will eventually end up with the most ideological committed and most brutal people. In the Ukraine those are the fascists. Some international criminals gangs who want to eliminate rivals might also be interested.

How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland? How long until an anti-tank weapon will be used in a gang fight in Paris? How long until a Stinger anti-air missile will down civil airplane in Rome?

One, three or five years?

It is a danger we will now all be living with.

Posted by b on April 20, 2022 at 16:48 UTC | Permalink

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This is turning out to be another Afghanistan for Russia.

Posted by: A3OB | Apr 20 2022 16:51 utc | 1

Concerning weapons, I thought about this in a blog post last night "War Update: No Ukrainian Girlfriend for You" - I was looking more at the information space (specifically, what Google Trends can tell us about what's happening in Ukraine) - but I did go into some length about our weapons... and how they're performing (or underperforming)

"Back to the Moskva. Aside from propping up the Ukrainian defense forces, which must be severely depleted in everything except manpower, there’s another crucial reason for all this howling. This fight is the first peer/near-peer war in a very, very long time. Aside from the most advanced surface-to-air missiles, main battle tanks, and airframes, Ukraine received just about every other weapon that NATO has to offer. Even with mixed and disputed media reports, our weapons’ performance is mixed at best.

Here’s an example directly related to the Moskva: drones. The story of how the Moskva was sunk changed over time, and later featured drones. I’m not saying the story is made up, but if there were drones where is the video feed? It’s not as if the Ukrainians were shy about releasing videos up until now."


https://readingjunkie.com/2022/04/20/war-update-no-ukrainian-girlfriend-for-you/

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 20 2022 16:54 utc | 2


This is turning out to be another Afghanistan for Russia.

Yeah NO KIDDING. Turning Ukraine into Afghanistan has been the plan for a long time. I wrote this back in December:
https://readingjunkie.com/2021/12/11/is-ukraine-the-next-afghanistan-for-russia/

Afghanistan was raped for decades, then Biden froze (stole) their assets, triggering a financial crisis which might deteriorate into a famine. Is that our idea of "helping" countries? Say what you will about Russia, but deliberately using Ukrainians as cannon fodder against them says more about us than it does about Russia.

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 20 2022 16:58 utc | 3

Does anybody really believe, the people making $ off these arms transfers, care where these weapons end up?

The U$A doesn't do the right and responsible thing, we do the $ uber alles thing.

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 20 2022 16:58 utc | 4

You talk about how the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine is a danger to Europe and beyond. But beyond Ukraine Putin himself nurtures this same rightwing ideology, supporting demagogues of that ideology such as Le Pen and Orban. It seems like everywhere but Ukraine, this ideology is something Putin encourages.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 20 2022 17:00 utc | 5

thanks b... the west know what they are doing and they think they can get away with it too... they would like to turn ukraine into another afganastan too, but the stakes here are much higher as i see it... i really don't think the west give a fuck... if it is about breaking russia, selling and generating more profit from war and etc. etc.. the ordinary people of ukraine are the wests very last concern.. that much ought to be obvious to any casual observer... and yet, the brainwashed western public are convinced this is going to help ukraine.. they are so out to lunch, it isn't worth thinking on much.. instead people ought to see where this is headed.. it is a much bigger threat to world peace - usa-nato at war with russia in every way, accept acknowledging it as such..... if russia hits back hard in unexpected ways - i would not be surprised.... they have nothing and i mean nothing to lose at this point...

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2022 17:02 utc | 6

@ Inkan1969 | Apr 20 2022 17:00 utc | 5... i think you are very wrong in your simplistic analysis here..

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2022 17:03 utc | 7

P.S. And, if people think a change in Admin. this fall will change the " $ uber alles" policies, IMO, they're dreaming

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 20 2022 17:03 utc | 8

In the US it is the communist antifa that is violent and anti- government. They have been operating in Portland Oregon for years and have tried many times to barricade police officers into their HQ while trying to set it on fire. In CA they attacked peaceful Trump supporters at rally with one charged with assaulting people with a heavy bike lock. It is believed to be Soros and other radical left Jews who are funding this group. These antifa radicals always show up after a protest and then start looting and vandalizing businesses after dark. In CA and Portland the police treat them with velvet gloves because the stupid radical left controls the local governments.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 20 2022 17:05 utc | 9

New:

We armed dangerous far right Ukraine nationalists.


The Azov Battalion far right leader holed up in Azovstal Steel Plant who vowed to never come out is now begging to be saved from Russia

SEE VIDEO https://youtu.be/ULqRN2VSzsE

Posted by: Dean Oneil | Apr 20 2022 17:05 utc | 10

What's very surreal to me is how more and more "mainstream" western outlets get noticeably more pragmatic about the war, despite all of the propaganda about Russia being "weak" and "easily repulsed."

I noted a CNN article that - for once - brought up Ukrainian logistical constraints and how this will work against them in this new offensive in Donbass.
https://readingjunkie.com/2022/04/17/masks-off-our-propagandists-admit-the-truth/

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 20 2022 17:08 utc | 11

The Azov Battalion far right leader holed up in Azovstal Steel Plant who vowed to never come out is now begging to be saved from Russia

SEE VIDEO https://youtu.be/ULqRN2VSzsE

Posted by: Dean Oneil | Apr 20 2022 17:05 utc | 10

"Well well, if it isn't the consequences of my actions."

R. I. P., Mr. Azov, but the "P" does not stand for "peace".

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Apr 20 2022 17:09 utc | 12

5. You talk about how the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine is a danger to Europe and beyond. But beyond Ukraine Putin himself nurtures this same rightwing ideology, supporting demagogues of that ideology such as Le Pen and Orban. It seems like everywhere but Ukraine, this ideology is something Putin encourages.

Oh, "Ukraine bad but Russia also bad" - yes, truly this is the biggest big brain take of them all!

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 20 2022 17:10 utc | 13

Incidentally, today is April 20th. In addition to being a celebration of the marijuanic arts, it is the birthday of Herr Gröfaz.

I can think of no better 'present' for Herr Gröfaz than de-Nazification by the Russians.

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Apr 20 2022 17:12 utc | 14

Dean # 10
I reckon it is fake.

He is too clean , not observably tired or wounded and not gaunt, so I don’t think he is in Azovstal at all. The vid doesn’t even introduce him and I don’t know what his name is.

All the Azovstals we saw are dirty and gaunt so this rat with his Nato buddies is dining on four - course meals or he is a fraud.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 20 2022 17:19 utc | 15

I was disappointed Stinger-like missile launchers were not used in Afghanistan or Iraq after the American invasions. Russia did not provide these weapons to the insurgencies in these countries probably for the reasons expressed in this post - they would have found there way back for use in Russia. Now the US is providing these weapons to fascist forces much more dangerous than any Jihadists, whose main purpose of action was defense against US imperialism. European supremacists goals are to eradicate undesirables and create an ideal state. The same goals of American supremacists. The American arms being delivered to Ukraine will be traded for cash and/or heroin to anyone and that is what American strategists are counting on. They require terrorism to generate fear in civil society in order to continue the popular support and financing for their conspiracies to achieve full spectrum dominance.

Posted by: Wilikins | Apr 20 2022 17:21 utc | 16

How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland? How long until an anti-tank weapon will be used in a gang fight in Paris? How long until a Stinger anti-air missile will down civil airplane in Rome?

One, three or five years?

It is a danger we will now all be living with.

Posted by b on April 20, 2022 at 16:48 UTC.

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Latest reliable figures of Stingers,Manpads etc delivered to Ukraine are 60,000.

Mad Max World delivered to Europe 2022.
Special guest stars;
Azov
Isis
Al-Qaeda
MI6
CIA

Posted by: Kim | Apr 20 2022 17:22 utc | 17

How long until a private jet flying into one of the many international summits held in Europe gets taken down by a MANPAD? The globalists aren't thinking very far forward about delivery of those weapons despite the fact they are putting themselves at risk.

Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 20 2022 17:25 utc | 18

You talk about how the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine is a danger to Europe and beyond. But beyond Ukraine Putin himself nurtures this same rightwing ideology, supporting demagogues of that ideology such as Le Pen and Orban. It seems like everywhere but Ukraine, this ideology is something Putin encourages.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 20 2022 17:00 utc | 5

The word "demagogues" is a big tell. Putin and Orban are fellow travelers in the social and economic conservative movement. Just as Macron and Trudeau are on the opposite side. There are many millions in France and Canada who would happily trade leaders.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 20 2022 17:26 utc | 19

"If there is a lesson to learn from Syria it is that the most ideological committed and most brutal people on the ground will not only proliferate their ideology into other countries. They are also the groups which inevitably end up holding the most dangerous weapons. They will give some to those groups in other countries which have the same ideology."

DHS keeps saying that #1 threat in US is White Supremacists. The border is open. No doubt many of those weapons and blooded fighters will soon (if not already) be shipped over to Mexico by CIA and 'Bob's your uncle' White Supremacist militia will indeed be the #1 domestic threat and both what they actually do as well as what they are reported to have done will contribute to whatever mayhem this fallen republic with brainwashed complacent population has, tragically, coming.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 17:28 utc | 20

What b has done in his article is update us on the very long term involvement of and nurturing of far-right organizations by the CIA and MI-6 that's been ongoing since 1945. It must be noted that all the different formations enrolled into the Outlaw US Empire's Terrorist Foreign Legion since 1945 are right-wing zealots having various "Nazistic/Nazicentric" behavioral ideologies that are all similar despite differing surface appearances as with Islamic State Headchoppers/Moderate Rebels being the same as El Salvador Contras and Europe's Red Brigade. AND their goal wherever they appear is always the same--enforcement of Outlaw US Empire backed fascist dictatorships and/or attempts to install them as in Lebanon, Ukraine, Venezuela, Syria, Greece, etc. The why question is easy to answer: To promote dependance on the Outlaw US Empire's offers of security on the With Us or Against Us basis.

Most of the world has witnessed or experienced that aspect of the Outlaw US Empire and the UK, and to a lesser degree NATO. Part of the Empire's power projection is in reality its Terrorist Projection as it can infect any nation with its terrorist viruses--including itself as we've seen with the FBI, ATF, DEA, etc.

IMO, these weapons are meant to arm terrorist insurgents within Eastern European NATO nations in anticipation of Russia's coming attempt to roll NATO back to its 1997 status or at minimum to remove NATO from its borders. Remember, CIA and MI-6 have decades of presence cultivating such terrorist organizations in that area of Europe. Look at their "success" in the former Yugoslavia. Pepe Escobar's description, "Empire of Chaos," is quite apt for that's exactly what it aims to do. And given its relatively low cost that can be easily funded via CIA/MI-6 black ops, they'll continue to operate until the national parents of those organizations are neutered and reformed from the bottom-up.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 17:28 utc | 21

We are consistent; I must say we are the gift that keeps on giving....

Posted by: Dennis18 | Apr 20 2022 17:31 utc | 22

Inkan1969 @5--

Very Big Lie you tell. Clearly, Troll Controllers can't make up their minds about Putin--is he a Pink Leftist or a Black-Shirt Rightist? Reality is even worse--Putin's a Humanist--GASP!!!!!

Imagine the UNSC-5 all having Humanist leaders. The planet might finally be able to smile.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 17:37 utc | 23


Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 20 2022 17:10 utc | 13

"It seems like everywhere but Ukraine, this ideology is something Putin encourages."

The tell is every time he calls for democratic processes and respecting UN laws etc. And then later when such things actually happen and with international monitors to boot, we'll that's when you know the fix is in!

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 17:37 utc | 24

Be ware, there has been an unprecedented level of Nazi trolls here lately which is to be expected. Don't feed them...

Posted by: mikhas | Apr 20 2022 17:39 utc | 25

Speaking of weapons being sold all over the globe, the US arms manufacturers expect a bumper profit from the offshoots of the Ukrainian conflict and beyond, and the Pentagon's Christmases have all come at once budget wise.


https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/19/gold-rush-in-ukraine/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2022 17:39 utc | 26

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 17:28 utc | 21

Yup, well said.
So when Putin says 'denazification' now we know he actually means 'deCIAfication.'

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 17:41 utc | 27

Obamavirus @ 9

It is not “stupid local governments” that coddle Antifa. It is purely a government/police organization. Just try to burn down your local police station without official sponsorship and see how far you get.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 20 2022 17:43 utc | 28

Ukraine became notorious as black market arms dealers after the fall of the Soviet Union. The fact that the US can't track the weapons is not logistical incompetence but deliberate to make stealing the weapons easier.

Ukraine cashing in on illegal arms

During the past decade, Ukraine has gained a reputation as one of the world's most active suppliers of illegal small arms. It is one of several Eastern European countries that has turned to arms dealing as a source of much-needed hard currency. Between 1997 and 2000, the Ukrainian arms industry grew tenfold and exported $1.5 billion worth of weapons. While Ukraine's legal arms industry has boomed, the international small arms black market may have proved far more lucrative. Ukrainian arms have been linked to some of the world's bloodiest conflicts and most notorious governments, including the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein, and, until recently, the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Erelis | Apr 20 2022 17:43 utc | 29

It can all be summarised by the phrase what comes around goes around.

Posted by: exiled off mainstree | Apr 20 2022 17:47 utc | 30

No doubt in my mind, someday one of these munitions will be used against one of the global war mongers.
We will never know, except perhaps from a noticeable tremor wave across the global force of consciousness.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Apr 20 2022 17:50 utc | 31

RT's top line news:

"Russia’s new RS-28 Sarmat Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile was launched successfully from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the north of the country, the military reported on Wednesday. The test launch was the first in a series of trials required for the adoption of the new weapon by Russia’s strategic forces....

"Compared to its predecessor, the Sarmat can carry more weapons, as well as be fitted with new types of warheads, including 'hypersonic glider units', the military noted."

Putin's comments:

"The new system has top tactical and technical characteristics and is able to penetrate all modern anti-missile defenses. It has no analogues in the world and will not have any for a long time”...

"This truly unique weapon will strengthen the potential of our armed forces, reliably ensure the security of Russia from external threats and make think, those who try to threaten us in the heat of frenzied aggressive rhetoric." [All Emphasis Mine]

But there're still additional weapon systems based on "new physical properties" awaiting announcement. What the Sarmat has isn't new, so we must still speculate. I continue to think of something akin to an energy pulse weapon that's powered by Rosatom's mini-nuke generators that's very different from a laser.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 17:51 utc | 32

If I wanted to lock a society down I would feed weapons to its most disaffected folks and let them work the public into a fear frenzy enough that lock downs and other restrictions of "freedom" are seen as "necessary".

Somehow the elite think they will not be affected by the crazies with weapons but I think they are mistaken.

I think the US also thinks that if these weapons are used that will occur in a far away country and not in America.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 20 2022 17:51 utc | 33

Same as in Iraq with shipment of $5bn cash on pallets and distribution of one million AK47s. US forces shipped home pilferaged Iraqi artefacts.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40026122

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/03/us-to-return-17000-looted-ancient-artefacts-to-iraq

Posted by: Oui | Apr 20 2022 17:53 utc | 34

Brother Ma @ 15

Yes. He has a freshly and neatly trimmed beard. He has good lighting. Do they still have power underground at Avozstal? And he has a good internet connection. Not jammed. He appears to be reading cue cards. As fake as it gets.

I presume they have a library of this stuff and pull it out as needed.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 20 2022 17:54 utc | 35

In the Azovstahl dungeons the guards are Azov commissars.

Hello everyone, this is Vladlen Tatarskiy for the channel of war correspondent Kotenok and today, for the second day in a row, we're not flying (drones?). Strong winds and rain in Mariupol, but there is some information of what's going on.

What's going on is that, gradually, they're starting to surrender at Azovstahl. In reality, the obstacle in the way of a complete surrender are the Azov fighters, since at Azovstahl there aren't just Azov fighters. There are National Guard of Ukraine (NGU), there are Marines who ran the blockade and made it in there, there are some sort of Police units, border guards, sailors and, as it stands, every unit has been assigned a guard from the Azov battalion, who literally controls these troops every movement. So, if anyone needs to go somewhere, they have to notify the Azov guard who in turn carries this information to his superiors, and in this fashion these village idiots retain control of the guys who style themselves the inheritors of the Third Reich.

For that reason... Well, right now a group of 35 guys surrendered, they managed to get rid off their commissar. Either he died or, well, they probably didn't kill him, because they were all scared shitless. But that made it possible for them to surrender. Before that, 5 guys surrendered. They gave us all their positions, all their movements, what routes they use, mined locations, where Azov keeps their vehicles. Speaking of that, Azov has run out of petrol, their vehicles are non-functional. They still have a few undamaged vehicles, but they lack the fuel to use them.

They have up to 500 wounded and, going by what these POW have said, 800-1000 fighters remain. We've basically already said as much, when I was speaking with the Admin (?) I said in the video that, and my estimate turned out to be accurate, there were 500-1000 fighters. So far they have sufficient food. They have minor problems with water, but they do have a water source which they make use of. However, if that source gets cut then resistance is futile -- without water you won't be able to fight or live all that long.

I certainly don't envy their position. They're trying at the moment to find some sort of political resolution to their dilemma, because as fighters they were unable to accomplish anything. Our guys from the 9'th battalion, fighters from the internal troops of DNR and SOBR DNR, and SOKOL, Spetnaz, MGB -- all of them are leagues more capable than these bearded dames. They quickly broke the hump in one part of the front, now they're reinforcing this sector and the work is becoming more and more enjoyable.

So that's it. I think the fall of Azov, well, I won't make any predictions how much time it's going to take to handle the Azovstahl problem, but already victory is in the air and you can almost taste it. I'll keep in touch.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 20 2022 17:54 utc | 36

In the American sector of Europe nationalism has been suppressed. The result is that in Western Europe extreme right has the monopoly on nationalism.
Add to that people growing poorer because of Russian sanctions, and an inrush of weapons to Ukraine. Not looking forward to this.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 20 2022 18:01 utc | 37

"You talk about how the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine is a danger to Europe and beyond." Inkan1969@5

The ideology of the Ukrainian Nationalists, though considerably strengthened after a generation of state sponsorship in Ukraine, is pretty well identical with similar ideologies in the Baltic states, Poland, Croatia, Albania and elsewhere.
Essentially the Imperialists discovered that corruption and capitalism in casual liberal clothing didn't travel well: one after another the social democrat and liberal successors to communism were ejected from power by disgusted voters.
So the electorates were fed stronger meat- the emigres returned, polished up their language skills and flirted with Nazi collaboration.
In Poland- sentenced to perpetual punishment by the Vatican, for a brief Protestant fling, the fascists came in a familiar clerical guise. And appealing to the faded memories of the appalling Pilsudski- who did more than even Hitler to bring about the World War.
In Hungary Orban appealed to the Horthy supporters- Horthy had been a disaster for Hungarian workers, he'd been an Axis ally. And he had hated communists.
Hating communism was all the west asked. And now half of NATO consists of countries with rabid fascist governments. And it looks as if there are more to come.

AS for the idiotic idea that these parties and politicians- who detest him, Russia and democracy in equal measure- have been nurtured by Putin's tolerance of foreign governments (Russia takes the view that it is none of its business which party rules India, China or Surinam) it has no basis in reality. It is simply crude, 'woke' idealism: Trudeau has lots of women in his Cabinet and believes in the right of every human being to choose their own pronouns, and therefore he is good. Putin supports a more conservative view- that sexual differences are biological etc, and therefore he is, as any Transsexual will confirm, an evil fascist.

Then there is the notion that Ukraine will become another Afghanistan for Russia.
Has anyone promoting this idea ever actually thought which country ended up hip deep in shit in Afghanistan? It wasn't Russia, whose brief intervention, at the invitation of the de jure government lasted less than a decade forty years ago. It was the United States, oh and NATO too, which just crawled out of Kabul a few months ago. And that was after pouring blood (other people's), treasure, trillions upon trillions, and equipment into the place since Jimmy Carter was a thing.
Ukraine might very well become another Afghanistan for the United States, and if it does NATO will be finished (the people of Europe, preferring their guerrilla wars to take place elsewhere or on Netflix) and over run by armed fascist criminal gangs. And, it will cost a lot. Russia will look great in comparison and the world's very worst fears about America will be realised.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 20 2022 18:02 utc | 38

Am I the only cynic here? There is money to be made on all sides of this. They do not hand the money to freelancers. Should a really good sharp freelancer appear they will either bring him into the organization or eliminate him.

Arms trade is well established since forever. There are no mistakes made. The arms will end up where the arms merchants and masters of war want them. Ukraine is at best a middleman.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 20 2022 18:03 utc | 39

Blowback. It is likely to hit us, hard, from our piss-poor statecraft in Ukraine, and our high-tech weapons are only one of the ways it will.

I worry most about Stingers on the loose. It wouldn't take too many commercial jetliners shot down to put an end to jet passenger travel. I don't know of the anti-IR-guided missile technologies in use, other than dumping flares, and how well/if they work, and if any reader can fill me in I'd be most appreciative. Certainly once one jet airliner is shot down by a Stinger, the airlines are going to have to use something to blind/deflect the Stingers, and you can't go around dumping lots of flares over major metropolitan areas daily.

It is generally not known and universally overlooked that the US gave that criminal Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA several hundred Stingers during the Reagan years, at about the same time as we gave them to the Mujahadeen. Nobody in newsmedialand ever wrote about that occurence. Whatever happened to them? We did some sort of buyback in Afghanistan, but nobody has ever reported how effective it was. Did one (two) of these Stingers shoot down Cyprien Ntaryamira and Juvenal Habyarimana in '94? Or did Kagame get them straight from the CIA? Anybody ever ask these questions anywhere before?

As far as the Russian Strela equivalent, my understanding of it and its lack of effectiveness in Iraq, where Saddam had plenty, was that it had a battery with a very short shelf life, and while the Iraqi army had plenty of Strelas they'd neglected to buy replacement batteries. Again, that's only what I'd heard, and if anyone knows more, please fill in.

Posted by: Daniel White | Apr 20 2022 18:04 utc | 40

It seems like everywhere but Ukraine, this ideology is something Putin encourages.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 20 2022 17:00 utc | 5

With absolutely zero specifics or links provided, I'm inclined to dismiss your comment as hot air and innuendo.

Obviously Russia has its own far right (and much of Europe and N. and S. America too), but they aren't integrated into every level of the government and bureaucracy there like they are in Ukraine from political appointees, a few seats in the legislature, the military, the official police force, the SBU and the quasi-official gangs of Roma and Homosexual beating thugs. Ukraine has THE world's preeminent Nazi problem, but now we're arming them up and hoping for the worst.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 18:05 utc | 41

@ b Re:

"But the huge amount of small arms and small ammunition, the anti-tank weapons and the handheld anti-air systems are of serious, long term danger. These fit into a car trunk and can easily be smuggled across boarders."

You mean borders, not boarders (an increasingly common mis-spelling) I tell you because I know that you prefer to be correct.

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 20 2022 18:10 utc | 42

Scorpion @27--

Thanks for your reply. Yes, that's essentially correct. But nowadays there're many CIA/MI-6 affiliates operating as NGOs that must also be purged by those nations they've infected. Using virus as an allegory IMO is the best way to present the problem, just as Nazism was seen as a sickness. Putin, Lavrov and other Russians use the term Extremism but don't often point their fingers at its global promoter, which IMO is a mistake--although Putin finally breached that silence last year when he accused the Outlaw US Empire's CIA of promoting the terrorists employed during the Second Chechen War and also named them responsible for the terrorist attacks inside Russia. Truman said he erred greatly in signing the National Security Act that allowed the CIA's formation, but he didn't purge it while he remined POTUS. Eisenhower is just as guilty of allowing the MIC to rise during his administration and should have killed it while he still had the power to do so instead of delivering his speech of lamentation. Few are willing to admit the fact that Neocon is the same as Nazi while Neoliberal is the same as Fascist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 18:11 utc | 43

b wrote :

...The U.S. pushed an enormous amount of weapons into Syria. Those weapons did not end up with the 'moderate rebels' the U.S. propaganda had elevated but in the hands the most ideological committed and most brutal actors on the ground:...

And to this day the strategists are pulling their hair in despair at the wanton destruction they have wrought in Syria. Right? Obviously they set out to build a strong, healthy nation in Syria, as they have done all over the globe since forever, and have instead managed to durably disable a strategic square on the world chessboard at very little cost. How short sided can these guys be? Outsourcing their expeditionary belligerence to a bunch of super cheap, dedicated, plentiful and totally unaccountable day labourers?

Apologies for the snark, but I never understood what compels us to voluntarily conform to the Empire's narrative. Is it because we would we prefer an incompetent West we can mock rather than a cynical Empire with an effective strategy?

Now, let us look again at the prospect of vast quantities of weapons spilling out of central Europe. This time, let's try it from the perspective of Imperial strategist.

Posted by: robin | Apr 20 2022 18:11 utc | 44

@ 10 and 15; I see a fellow wearing makeup, very well done makeup. He has a brand new suit, no dirt, blood or sweat. His pullover hat is brand new and perfect. No dust, no nothing to indicate it had been used. And the beard/mustache combo; notice how it doesn't completely fit? Around the mouth it appears to be working loose. It is also visible at his nose or wherever it moves. This guy wants us to believe he is in an underground hideout for weeks?
As long as these people continue to demonstrate that all of their propaganda videos are easy to see fakes, some folks may yet wake up to the deception. They don't appear to care that people can tell it is all make believe.
I thought it was very nice of him to give away his position in the dungeon to the folks that want to clear it out. Someone that has been there will know where it is, the length of echo makes it easier to pinpoint. Except for the act that I agree that he isn't really in the dungeon at all.
I guess its good that the only thing these people know how to do is kill. They will never know what hit them.

Posted by: Tard | Apr 20 2022 18:14 utc | 45

I heard that the Italians are sending a shipment of 20,000 of these nasties to Ukraine (although it's just a rumour at present).

Posted by: Mongo | Apr 20 2022 18:15 utc | 46

Now, let us look again at the prospect of vast quantities of weapons spilling out of central Europe. This time, let's try it from the perspective of Imperial strategist.

Posted by: robin | Apr 20 2022 18:11 utc | 44

To add to your points, it's pretty clear that most of the US weapons mfg's and makers of artillery equipment have had some back stock just sitting on the shelves and pallets losing money. These US arms shipment are nothing more than a thinly veiled bailout/inventory reduction assistance for those firms. The only thing that kind of amazes me about the whole thing is just how quickly the skids can be greased in both the White House and Congress when it's these companies and individuals (arms dealers) interests on the table. But they couldn't pass an infrastructure bill to help the rest of America.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 18:25 utc | 47

Considering how open America's borders are, both Canadian and Mexican, some of these weapons, especially the Stingers, are bound to come home to the States.

Posted by: bob sykes | Apr 20 2022 18:27 utc | 48

Daniel White @40--

I can attest that the lack of security at major airports within the Outlaw US Empire make planes very easy targets for the woefully sad Stinger. Then there're RPGs that are just as effective. And the reality is commercial jets don't have to be shot down to bankrupt that industry. In 5 minutes, a proficient terrorist could easily destroy 20-40+ airplanes parked at terminals as the explosions and fires would spread very fast. In fact, I'm very surprised something like that hasn't yet occurred.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 18:28 utc | 49

Can any person with a minimal amount of common sense actually believe this crap!

“Ukrainian officials say tens of thousands of civilians have died there.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8771569/mariupol-last-stand-ukraine-russia-war/

Posted by: Krypton | Apr 20 2022 18:30 utc | 50

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 20 2022 17:05 utc | 9

I live not far from Portland OR, have many friends and relatives there, and our local television stations cover the police/demonstrator clashes very thoroughly, as do volunteer video reporters, and I can tell you that not one of the claims you made in your post is true.

For example, police in civilian clothes do most of the late-night "looting and vandalizing" in the hope of convincing the population that it's the peaceful demonstrators who are doing it.

You get an "F" minus.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Apr 20 2022 18:31 utc | 51

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 18:25 utc | 47

To my previous post, I don't recall any bids being solicited from the arms industry in the USA over the past 2-6 months after the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Hence, this latest "$800Bn" "lethal aid" thing is occurring in some extra-legal or extra-constitutional framework; also outside of the FAR (Federal Acquisition Regulations).

The jigsaw puzzle has a few new pieces in it for me now. The weapons, as mentioned above, were already in stock. This means that most of them must have been made under contracts designed to support the Afghanistan war and other global conflicts in which the US has proxies involved. When that pullout occurred so suddenly, the media (and arms companies who own them) went into a frenzy about how badly it was botched. In reality, it probably would have been hard to manage it much better than it was and the collective media tantrum was really in relation to how much inventory the arms makers weren't going to be able to easily move and the suspended contracts for future MIC related services in Af-Pak.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 18:31 utc | 52

Pakistan prime-minister was ousted because of extranational "investments" tribunals?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ousted-pakistani-leader-challenging-investment-treaties-give-corporations-excessive-power/5777976

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 20 2022 18:38 utc | 53

You get an "F" minus.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Apr 20 2022 18:31 utc | 51

It's part and parcel to 'copaganda'. In Texas, as I'm sure is the case elsewhere, another method utilized to scare the public into giving the police more funds is to stop responding to 9/11 calls, make people wait inordinately long times to respond to them, and then running to the local media (or Fox News/OAN) and saying they are understaffed and unable to meet the needs of the public despite record budgets.

Also, when it comes to the cops allegedly supporting, whether tacitly or overtly, antifa, give me a break. The only reason they might possibly do so is the above. Create an impression of violence and lawlessness by telling people reporting crimes to go pound sand and letting a few bad actors occasionally appear to beat the police or occupy one of their stations (that only happened once in Seattle to my knowledge). In fact most cops hate antifa and will look the other way when they're losing a street fight but jump in quickly to break things up if they're winning or have numbers. Further, take a look at the guy they summarily executed in Oregon for shooting that Trump supporter in I think Portland. Eyewitness testimony of people near the alleged attempt to apprehend him all indicate that it was a mafia style hit rather than a genuine try at taking him peacefully. So the cops in that case were working as hit men for what I guess one can call the American right wing.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 18:38 utc | 54

Have you considered US / Western weapons cast to the 4 winds and unaccountable actually serve a purpose? Just a short time ago buzz in US media / gov't circles was about bogging Russia down with an insurgency, Mujahedin, Al Nusra Freedom Fighter style I suppose. Remember how US legislators praised the Afghanistan Mujahedin and compared them to American Revolutionaries circa 1776. No greater bullshitter than an American bullshitter wot? Another venture intended to create chaos, that accomplished it's mission then was shunned until 911. Ah, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY! Until the neo children of America tired of that game, and cut and ran leaving the wreckage in their wake.

So the weapons go off reservation, caches here there and everywhere. Would this trouble US Leaders of the Free World? It's an Ocean away from these exceptionally cruel games.

If he were still here, the Baron might have said, I care not for the suffering nor who inflicts it, just permit me to issue and control the money.

Which begs the question, who among us in this Community of Citizens of the World, are truly the most savage?

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 18:38 utc | 55

The American doctrine of hegemony is a strange anomaly. While it initially strove to build strong economies in Europe and Japan post-war, and was kept positive by the counter-weight of Soviet assistance to the global south, since Reagan the strategy has been to destroy civil societies. This is empire by chaos: Iraq, Libya, Venezuela,
Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan—and now the strategy of failing states amidst allies to shatter resolve and undermine regional solidarity. If they can't be #1 by nation-building, they will be #1 wrecker.

I cannot think of a world empire or regional hegemony whose MO was so cynically destructive. The USA is like a plague of locusts.

OT but perhaps not. Barflies take note: the next Ukraine is unfolding on Australia's doorstep. The US has encouraged Oz to choose regional neglect or cynicism (think East Timor). What's the bet a faction in the Solomons will be armed to turn that poor place into a failed state—just so China can't build something there. The fear and loathing here of course is "eeiiyy! Yellow Peril!! China wants to invade Byron Bay!" whereas the reality is that China offers the region nation-building choices that may indeed be imperial, but a far better manifestation of it than US hegemony (which tested nukes in the region there for 15 years). Meanwhile Australia fiddles and does what it does best: myopia past the driveway, racism and petty short-termism.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 18:44 utc | 56

But they couldn't pass an infrastructure bill to help the rest of America.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 18:25 utc | 47

oh, enacting "Build Back Better" legislation arrives in pieces, or Senate floor amendments, indiscriminately tacked to FIFO House appropriations bills. That's how "special interest" caucus members move payola which a POTUS may or may not be fronting, and their "supplementary budgets" (now scheduled 12x p.a.) survive between annual 24-hr NDAA "vote-a-ramas". ICYMI, Biden signed The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2022, 15 Mar. Last reported mark up 2,800 pp makes for difficult WH stooge electioneering in the run up to mid-terms. More than 1/2 the electorate, including but not limited to "essential workers" lost Joe's campaign subplots last autumn in the fog of DELTA OMICRON DEATH.

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 20 2022 18:53 utc | 57

thanks b, it's a very important topic.

In all European countries, existing far-right groups automatically become more emboldened since their counterparts are glorified on TV and regular people are now admonished not to criticize them.

They already would have outsize presence in police/mil in most societies. Now put in the bonanza in the black market for weapons, mix it with then inevitable widespread impoverishment from the sanctions... to me that adds up to organized crime with a right-wing flavor, and fragile governments in which right wingers become kingmakers and demand their normalization and deeper integration into security services. Should be a familiar setup.

Posted by: ptb | Apr 20 2022 18:56 utc | 58

I like to check the Drudge Report dating back to when I was somewhat following daily national US news coverage. As an aggregator, they've always been on the pro-war side, so this isn't any dramatic change of stance, but their coverage lately has been ridiculous on Ukraine. 3/4 of the red or BOLDED headlines always point to British tabloids like The Sun when the subject is Russia/Ukraine.

Here's one from today. Are we supposed to believe that there was going to be a coup attempt in Russia?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5155722/vladimir-putin-overthrown-coup-russia/

Then there is the CONSTANT repetition of the lie that Kyiv proved too much for Russia to overtake and that they fled in defeat. Even anti-war anti-imperialists are repeating this nonsense. It, of course, presupposes to know what Putin and his generals are thinking and to also know their exact plans for this war, ostensibly total occupation and defeat of Ukraine. Only unthinking idiots would believe it in the past, but today it has taken root as the God's honest truth based on accurate intelligence and good investigative reporting rather than what it is: Newspeak.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 18:58 utc | 59

One wonders how the trolls show up in time to make the first few posts...

Clearly someone is monitoring this blog.

RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 18:59 utc | 60

So, Putin has a rational argument that makes sense in the context of Western interference in Ukraine.

The West makes no rational sense at all, relying instead on childish drivel and invention.

Important to remember that Zelensky's boss has been plundering the Ukraine for years. He introduced sectarianism into the country. You don't do that if it's your intention to protect a country's sovereignty.

No, you do those things when you're collapsing a country.

The West destroyed Ukraine intentionally.

Poland is next.

Posted by: Jerry | Apr 20 2022 19:00 utc | 61

Scott Ritter has announced that Gonzalo Lira has been murdered by Azov. Ritter is said to be friends with Lira and is in a position to know.

This is part of Ritter's post on telegram:
When reports emerged that Gonzo Lira, a Chilean social media “influencer” who resided in Kharkov, Ukraine, and who published online content critical of the Ukrainian government, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by the Kraken Unit, part of the Azov battalion affiliated with the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), the West is silent.
Free speech isn’t a one way street. To remain silent in the murder of Gonzo Lira is to be complicit in his death, and the deaths of all journalists who pursue the truth, even if it runs counter to the mainstream narrative. Critical thinking should not be a death sentence. Unfortunately for Gonzo Lira, it seems it was.

Posted by: JB | Apr 20 2022 19:03 utc | 62

Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 20 2022 17:25 utc | 18
"How long until a private jet flying into one of the many international summits held in Europe gets taken down by a MANPAD?"

You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

I just hope some of these antitank and anti-aircraft systems get shipped into the US where I can get my hands on them. I can think of lots of uses. One could blow up a beaver dam with one, for instance. :-)

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 19:03 utc | 63

No, you do those things when you're collapsing a country.

The West destroyed Ukraine intentionally.

Poland is next.

Posted by: Jerry | Apr 20 2022 19:00 utc | 61

Yep. Akin to a hostile acquisition or venture capital takeover of a company. Take control, suck any last bit of profit out no matter what the morals or long-term effects (unemployment for one), and then sell the scraps to the highest bidder or just shut down shop and move on to the next one. It's an oligarch's game no matter whether it's happening at the level of the state or business firm.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 19:05 utc | 64

According to a tweet Gonzalo Lira was captured by Botsman’s sub-unit.
https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1516790048582160388

Scott Ritter says Gonzalo is dead but I am not sure how he knows. I pray it's not true.
https://t.me/ScottRitter/27

When reports emerged that Gonzo Lira, a Chilean social media “influencer” who resided in Kharkov, Ukraine, and who published online content critical of the Ukrainian government, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by the Kraken Unit, part of the Azov battalion affiliated with the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), the West is silent.

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 20 2022 19:05 utc | 65

@anti-spin #51
@ tomQ #54

Andy Ngo has garnered worldwide acclaim for his investigative journalism in regard to antifa. He was violently attacked by them on more than one occasion. He was interviewed on Fox News about it by Laura Ingraham. The facts surrounding that tragic execution of the Trump supporter in Portland by that antifa nutcase speak for themselves and thanks for reminding me of it as I should have included it in my first post. Your claim that plainclothes police are responsible for looting and vandalism is just plain absurd. Antifa was used to create a sense of emergency to influence the 2020 election. They are an astroturf army like the above in Ukraine. Zionists are funding both groups to influence the political and geopolitical processes to their advantage.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 20 2022 19:05 utc | 66

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 20 2022 19:05 utc | 66

"Better trolls, please."

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Apr 20 2022 19:10 utc | 67

JB, re: Gonzalo Lira

Anonymous 'press releases' and "debunkings" are already popping up.

https://theancestory.com/gonzalo-lira-2/

https://arealnews.com/gonzalo-lira/

I wonder if they're just click bait or intended to muddy the waters. Or both.

I hope he survived and is well. Personally given the fuzzy nature of the situation in Ukraine, I think it might be too early to really tell. Did Scott Ritter name or allude to any sources?

It'd have to be a pretty damn stupid Azov Nazi to kill him given his relatively large following since the war kicked off in earnest. A horrible PR move if not for the MSM's complete blackout of any remotely countervailing information that dissents from NATO/Ukraine propaganda. If he has passed and his body is found, it will surely be blamed on Russia.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 19:11 utc | 68

another Rybar map
https://i.ibb.co/W38H7NC/20-04-3.jpg

on the North end, continues to look like methodically closing on Lyman. Presumably, after Lyman, it will be clearing the denser woods around the Donets river, and after that possible to expand out to the south of it...

Posted by: ptb | Apr 20 2022 19:14 utc | 69

Meanwhile Australia fiddles and does what it does best: myopia past the driveway, racism and petty short-termism.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 18:44 utc | 56

Seems there's not very many Crocodile Dundee's left in Australia in these times. Curious considering it's origins, and there was a time not so long ago when Aussie's took pleasure in the number of Brits trying to escape Mother England to come to the once upon a time Prison Colony. The Aussies referred to them as POME's. Prisoner of Mother England.

I may have experienced the last true Crocodile Dundee some decades ago, when we shared a hospital ward for better part of a month. This character was a plumber by trade and he worked in the Aboriginal areas for about 6 months each year, earned good money then spent the next 6 months exploring the world. From India, to Russia, Hawaii, California, Canada Coast to Coast and more. He was my kind of guy, a true straight shooter. He also worked when he could as he traveled to pay expenses.

He never spoke ill of any people he met in his travels, and his exceeded mine considerably.


Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong,
Under the shade of a coolibah tree.
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
"You'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me."

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 19:14 utc | 70

Some good news: even the MSM's propaganda isn't doing that well.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-20/putin-s-war-in-ukraine-has-russian-elites-fearing-global-isolation

(Headlines: "Kremlin Insiders Alarmed Over Growing Toll of Putin’s War in Ukraine"

Some in the elite fear the invasion was a catastrophic mistake — but say the Russian president won't relent and is in no danger of losing power.)

But when you read the article, only one senior official has actually walked away. "Some said" is forced to do a lot of work here, more than eight letters should have to do.

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Apr 20 2022 19:15 utc | 71

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 19:11 utc | 68

I don't really think they care about the possible PR repercussions of murdering him; they know the MSM has their backs.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2022 19:16 utc | 72

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 20 2022 19:05 utc | 66

This isn't the thread for discussing that topic, but since I am partly to blame for continuing it I'll make one last response.

The subject was the relationship (antagonistic or looking the other way) between police and antifa-types. You seemed to allege that antifa was OK with most American police department, which is the opposite of the truth. I am well aware of Andy Ngo and I don't have anything against his citizen reporting as long as he's not trying to doxx anyone who wishes for their identity to be secret.

Obviously I'm not the one who said that it's cops dressing up in plain clothes and committing the looting, but I wouldn't put it past some of them. What if they are caught by their fellow cops? You think they'd actually arrest them? And there are instances of right-wing or allegedly anarchists intentionally causing damage to storefronts at previously non-violent protests in order to "accelerate" the situation into one of violence and property damage/theft.

Regarding the Trump supporter's death, the claim was self defense and the first bullet fired hit his can of bear mace. The second hit his chest. I'm not saying I believe the claim of self defense. The Patriot Prayer activists were in Portland to start static with antifa and other demonstrators who actually live there. Most of the Patriot Prayer guys came from as far as Texas and Southern California. Danielson lived in Vancouver, WA and was carrying a glock himself. Because the details of that case are disputed and not caught on surveillance video, I would have preferred to have seen it go to trial like the one for Kyle Rittenhouse.

Instead, the cops formed a posse and went looking for the shooter, who they shot immediately upon arriving on the scene as described by bystanders as an execution. Since they conveniently had no body cameras turned on, we also have no video evidence. But it sounds to me a lot like the cops who rolled up on that kid in Cleveland with a BB gun and started firing on him before even exiting their patrol car.

FWIW: Reinoehl told Vice that he had not turned himself in after the shooting of Danielson because he feared that police were collaborating with right-wing protesters and that he might be killed in custody. Reinoehl told Vice that his home had been shot at and that he was being hunted.

Those are just the details of the case. Neither of them sound exactly like stand up individuals, but the point was in how differently police treat antifa vs. whatever you want to call Patriot Prayer and the like. Last thing I'll say (would be happy to discuss in non-Ukraine OT in the future) is that it isn't left wing or anti-fascist activists who have a place in American law enforcement. It's more commonly members of the 'far right.' Again, just common sense facts.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2022 19:26 utc | 73

Britain joins the EU, Britain leaves the EU, Britain sabotages the EU.

b, help me out here: what on earth is going on in Germany? When are they going to say: genug!

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 19:27 utc | 74

Latest briefing from Russian MoD Telegram channel... Slow day it looks like...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 12 military assets of Ukraine.

2 command posts of Ukrainian troops in Gusarovka and Andreevka, 3 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration in Arkhangelovka, Kramatorsk and Selidovo, and 6 strong points of nationalist formations near Popasnaya were hit.

The strikes destroyed over 150 nationalists, 5 multiple rocket launchers and 8 armoured vehicles.

Also, 1 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed near Yazykovo.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 73 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 2 missile and artillery weapons and ammunition depots near Shevchenko and Komar in the Donetsk People's Republic.

During the day, Missile troops struck 4 command posts, 1 ammunition depot and areas of enemy's manpower concentration in Novaya Dmitrovka and Vysokiy.

Russian air defence means shot down 1 Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter near Koroviy Yar. Also, 2 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down over Izyum and Novobogdanovka.

In total, 140 aircraft and 106 helicopters, 498 unmanned aerial vehicles, 254 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,397 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 261 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,038 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,244 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 19:27 utc | 75

improper driving of tank...

https://nitter.net/200_zoka/status/1516823727694135297

Posted by: ptb | Apr 20 2022 19:27 utc | 76

Wrt to the antifa subplot, Ngo is a known liar and affiliate of right-wing militia groups. Taking him seriously is tantamount to taking Voice of America reporting at its word (although many conservatives have warmed up to VoA since the Bannonite Gorka took over - the association between the American far right and the CIA is well known, except among the useful idiots of the far right rank-and-file).

American police departments are often enough criminal institutions in their own right. Any peace-loving, non-sadistic, society would operate its police forces entirely differently.

Stay 'noided.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 19:33 utc | 77

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 20 2022 19:05 utc | 66

"Andy Ngo has garnered worldwide acclaim for his investigative journalism in regard to antifa. He was violently attacked by them on more than one occasion."

Bullshit. Andy Ngo has garnered wordlwide condemnation for his lies. The widely-distributed video wherein he was supposedly "attacked" was truncated before and after. It failed to show him attacking peaceful demonstrators with some metal object, then showed a group of demonstrators restraining him. We who live here got to see the whole thing before it was "trimmed to fit."

Posted by: AntiSpin | Apr 20 2022 19:36 utc | 78

@A3OB No it's not there is no overextension on the part of Russia here,they been waging this war with what amounts to a peacekeeping army, literally fighting with kiddie gloves on,in fact they can drag this for years like the Syrian operation without feeling the heat.

Posted by: Lolgege | Apr 20 2022 19:37 utc | 79

Important to remember that Zelensky's boss has been plundering the Ukraine for years. He introduced sectarianism into the country. You don't do that if it's your intention to protect a country's sovereignty.

Posted by: Jerry | Apr 20 2022 19:00 utc | 61

Do continue about Zelensky's boss. Few here seem to have the inclination to do so, or to link up the Hunter Biden / Burisma connections. Ownership of Burisma could be illustrated by what Churchill said about Russia. 'a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.'

In this case, the extraordinary use of shell companies across multiple continents including the US of A. And the money laundering which became too difficult for US authorities to hide any longer, so they delivered a harsh blow to Zelensky's boss, he can't enter the US anymore... At least until US folks move on to the next news cycle. and fegetaboutit.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 19:38 utc | 80

I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 but for Trump in 2020 largely as a reaction to the BLM/Antifa riots. I wonder why those riots didn't affect more voters. Or maybe they did, and that was concealed in the cheating.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 20 2022 19:38 utc | 81

Patroklas #56

Re Solomons

The USA provided $mimillions to Malaita Island to wreck the national government based on Guadalcanal. Regime change through tribal factionalism. This gross nation wrecking has been going on for years there. Meanwhile Australia just screws the place.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 19:39 utc | 82

@CharlesLutherThanos

I say it like it is a thing, because it is a thing. Europe seems like it is headed toward being like the middle east has been for the last 20 years. This is a big miscalculation for Western globalists for a myriad of reasons:

1. Although western globalists think they can turn Ukraine into Afghanistan for Russia like we live in the 1980's again, treating Europe like the middle east tells us from past experience that Europe will be lost to the Global American Empire in 20 years. 20 years from 9/11 Afghanistan fell, Iraq has regained significant independence, Syria is still led by Assad, and Israel wouldn't dare set foot in Lebanon or Jordan lest it get it's ass beat again. And Iran, the power that was originally the most sanctioned country on Earth has friendly militias all over the area and shows no signs of collapsing. Apply the same logic to Europe and roughly speaking you can make Germany Iraq, France Syria, England Israel and Saudi Arabia, and Russia Iran.

2. With the middle east currently settling down and pressure being taken off the middle east, soon we will see the middle east and hopefully even north Africa becoming the prime place for refugees in Eurasia. Many recent immigrants to Europe will likely return to where they came from of their own free will, putting an end to the program of homogenization of Europe and the destruction of it's nations to form a deracinated consumer slave class.

3. The U.S. has no real economy and has decided to survive by eating Europe's economy, but in 20 years time based on past experience, Europe will be mostly back under control of Europeans, so the U.S. needs to diversify it's economy to survive past 20 years.

There are probably more reasons but these are just off the top of my head. This is imperial decay,the center of the American empire is now raiding it's original and closest imperial aquisitions to stave off it's final fate. If America was a star right now it would be a red giant.

Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 20 2022 19:40 utc | 83

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 20 2022 17:51 utc | 33

Russia could threaten Europe by smuggling AKs and ammo into all the known no-go areas of Sweden, Germany, UK, France, etc. Call it supporting democracy and racial equity.

Posted by: Erelis | Apr 20 2022 19:41 utc | 84

Norway sends 100 Mistral air defense missiles to Ukraine — agency
https://tass.com/world/1440151

It eludes me how they expect to fly (or ship) 100 large jet aircraft into a country at war with a country with complete surveillance ISR.

Clearly there is something going on here, i.e., someone is getting a lot of money from this sort of thing.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 19:42 utc | 85

@7 james

I think this poster raises a good question, although if probably wasn't their intention.

Terms like "right-wing" increasingly mean very little.

Regular bar patrons still throw out terms like fascist, Nazi, etc. willy-nilly.

I am not saying that these Ukes fighting the Russians are not tattooed in swastikas, etc., but I think we really need to be intellectually honest here and establish that even Hitler wanted little to do with the Banderites. So they appropriated the trappings of the NSDAP movement and discarded the fact that the NSDAP abhored the Western-Jewish Banking system, whilst the modern day Banderites take money and weapons from western globalists.

I have seen people here throw out terms like "Nationalist" when describing the Ukes fighting the Ruskies because it serves their particular internationalist worldview to denigrate or associate patriotic-nationalism with these globalist-aligned orcs.

How can one be a Ukranian-Nationalist while at the same time genuflecting to the globalist west and endenturing yourself to that Blob?

The simple answer is you can not.

So we must therefore assume that the Ukrops are propagandistically-driven by their ideological hatred of Russia, where it could be argued that the NSDAP was not, and therefore the Ukrops are simply not that bright and easy pickings to be harnessed as tools for the west.

But my main point is that we are throwing the term "nationalist" around carelessly.

The poster's assertion that Putin's Russia, if encountered closely, would rub many old leftists here in the wrong way is a good point: it is patriotic, patriarchal, and hyper-masculine. It certainly does not waste time on western, liberal tropes.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 20 2022 19:44 utc | 86

Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 20 2022 19:40 utc | 83

Exactly my point. Dropping a few Euro leaders in a plane would only hasten that.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 19:45 utc | 87

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 20 2022 19:38 utc | 81

you mean the protests against killer cops, I'm sure.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2022 19:45 utc | 88

First you flood Europe with millions of war refugees from Empire's wars abroad, then flood Europe without accountability of billions of dollars in military-grade weaponry to spread throughout the land - what could go right?

Is it any wonder Russia directly threatened the USA with a big fat ICBM to think twice about this "American" madness?

Posted by: gottlieb | Apr 20 2022 19:45 utc | 89

So now to the G20 finance ministers meeting in Washington where noble reps like Yellen and the usual suspects refuse to take part in any sessions involving Russia.
With the global system facing meltdown this autumn, this type of childish behaviour and tantrums is nauseatingly ridiculous. Now it is more important than ever to talk and negotiate.

Posted by: Oh | Apr 20 2022 19:45 utc | 90

It’s the arc of instability baby! Europe? Sure, why not! For the Corporate Empire of Lies this is a feature not a bug…

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Apr 20 2022 19:47 utc | 91

Putin on Sarmat from Kremlin website:

"I would like to emphasize that when creating Sarmat, only domestic components, components and parts were used. And, of course, this will simplify the serial production of the complex by defense industry enterprises, accelerate its transfer to the Strategic Missile Forces." [My Emphasis]

So, Russia has no problem not having access to the most sophisticated chips to make an extremely destructive weapon that has a wholly new type of MIRV--hypersonic gliders capable of bobbing and weaving on way to their target. What great targets with which to test the S-500 AD system and its successor the S-600.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 19:47 utc | 92

The Pentagon can't even do an audit. so how would it know who was getting what? BUT, in this case it may be deliberate.

For the US the spread of portable weapons across 'urop is an advantage. As the threat of, and use of, will allow police forces to "up-armour". The newly armoured forces can then deal with dissidents and free-thinkers in the respective countries, with total repression, for their own good, of course. As a plus value, the increase of lethal weapons in 'Urop will form a new captive market for the arms industries. Not forgetting the "surveillance" and food rationing as means of control, will need well armed guards to counter well armed "refugees and ruffians".

As long as someone gets to use them before their "best before date", the chaos caused can be used by the power-hungry to fortify and defend their obscene wealth.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 20 2022 19:49 utc | 93

bubbles @80--

The "boss" here is the CIA, and it has no problems coming and going from its home base in the Outlaw US Empire. Hell, it has its own airline and military.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 19:50 utc | 94

It's too bad Russia did what it did and caused all this, huh.

Posted by: Lavrov | Apr 20 2022 19:51 utc | 95

Victor notes, here is where some of those weapons are going - Africa and African conflicts

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1516695182032490501.html
https://t.me/vicktop55/3287

While the Ukrainian military is dying from a lack of weapons and ammunition, Defense Ministry officials are selling weapons to African countries under the guise of "surplus". There is amendment No. 1919 in the legislation of Ukraine, according to which surplus weapons can be sold even during the war.

The MoD has prepared a report that needs to be implemented. Among the items are armored cars, tanks, machine guns, rifles, grenades and even body armor. The “range” listed in the documents occupies 970 pages.

The company that sells weapons is NVK Techimpeks.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 20 2022 19:52 utc | 96

Correction from Posted by: AntiSpin | Apr 20 2022 19:36 utc | 78:

It failed to show him attacking peaceful demonstrators with some metal object, then failed to show the group of demonstrators restraining him. We who live here got to see the whole thing before it was "trimmed to fit."

Posted by: AntiSpin | Apr 20 2022 19:52 utc | 97

From the inimitable Maria Zakharova...

Russia handed over draft agreement to Ukraine on April 15, still no response — diplomat
https://tass.com/politics/1440599

"It was said today that a new set of proposals were handed over to the representatives of the Kiev regime, involved in the negotiations process. I would like simply to reveal the date when these positions were handed over by the Russian side. It was Friday. Today is Wednesday. There has been no response up to this day," she said. "This should give you an idea of how the Kiev regime’s negotiations team behaves. How the view the negotiations process in principle, and whether it is possible to believe them or not when they speak about their desire to hold negotiations," she said.

"There is no trust in their words. Many things, stated both in public space and at the negotiations table, have been immediately debunked by Kiev, sometimes within an hour or even 15 minutes; Kiev simply crossed out the job that had been done. Once again - everything only in written form and on paper," Zakharova underscored.

RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 19:54 utc | 98

Not Lavrov @95--

Yeah, Russia should have allowed Hitler to win thus preempting the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 19:56 utc | 99

Next blowback for the smart western sanctions on Russia: Putin orders to refocus metals export to promising markets. The TASS article does not elaborate which metals (nickel, tungsten come to mind), but it clearly say that "promising" is not expected in western directions.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 19:27 utc | 74 asked, when Germany will say "es reicht", I hope for a wake-up call here...

Posted by: TomD | Apr 20 2022 19:57 utc | 100

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