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April 11, 2022
The Reasons For And Dangers Behind The War In Ukraine

The war in the Ukraine continues but the propaganda hysteria around it seems to have calmed down a bit as reality is setting in.

This gives room from more sane voices to be heard by the public. I will start with the Russian ones.

The Russian ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Antonov, was interviewed by Newsweek. He explained Russia's political and judicial reasoning behind the war:

"The special operation in Ukraine is the result of the unwillingness of the Kiev regime to stop the genocide of Russians by fulfilling its obligations under the international commitments," Antonov told Newsweek. "The desire of the NATO member states to use the territory of a neighboring state to establish a foothold in the struggle against Russia is also obvious."

To Russia, Antonov said that the [Maidan] revolution was a "bloody coup d'état instigated by the West" in which "ultranationalist ideas came to power in Kiev." He said that policies viewed by Moscow as hostile such as the removal of Russian as a national language and the rehabilitation of nationalist Ukrainian figures such as Stepan Bandera, who collaborated with Nazi Germany during World War II, had "taken root in Ukraine under external administration."

Antonov argued that it was the "nationalist frenzy and revanchist sentiments of the Kiev regime" that resulted in the effective death of the Minsk deals as Ukraine chose "the path of rapid militarization" with help from abroad.

"The NATO member countries have commenced a military exploration of Ukraine," Antonov said. "It was flooded with Western weaponry while President Vladimir Zelensky announced Kiev's plans to acquire nuclear weapons which would threaten not only neighboring countries, but also the entire world."

"In this context, Russia had no other choice but to recognize the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics," Antonov said. "Then, in accordance with Chapter VII, Article 51 of the U.N. Charter, with the authorization of the Federation Council of Russia and in execution of the Treaties of Friendship and Mutual Assistance with the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin made a decision to begin a special military operation."

"Its aim is to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine in order to reduce military threats posed by the Western states that are trying to use the fraternal Ukrainian people in the struggle against the Russians," he added.

Sergey Karaganov is a high level Russian political scientist and commentator who is also a presidential advisor in Moscow. He was interviewed (in English) by the Italian Corriere Della Sera

Sergey Karaganov: «We are at war with the West. The European security order is illegitimate»

An excerpt:

How can an attack be justified on such grounds?

«For 25 years people like myself have said that NATO expansion would lead to war. Putin said several times that if it came to Ukraine becoming a member of NATO, there would be no Ukraine anymore. In Bucharest in 2008 there was a plan of quick accession of Ukraine and Georgia to NATO. It was blocked by the efforts of Germany and France, but since that time Ukraine has been integrated into NATO. It was pumped up by weaponry and its troops were trained by NATO, their army getting stronger and stronger day by day. In addition we saw a very rapid increase of neo-Nazi sentiment especially among the military, the society and the ruling elite. It was clear that Ukraine had become something like Germany around 1936-1937. The war was inevitable, they were a spearhead of NATO. We made the very hard decision to strike first, before the threat becomes deadlier».

I recommend to read the whole Karaganov interview to better understand the Russian thinking.

"It was clear that Ukraine had become something like Germany around 1936-1937," said Karaganov. The 'western' public has difficulties to understand that. But it is the prevailing Russian view and when analyzing the developments in the Ukraine over the last years with Russian history in mind one can easily come to the same conclusion.

It is also what the Canadian Russia expert Patrick Armstrong had mentioned as the most important item after he had read Putin's speeches at the start of the war:

Had I been at home I would have read Putin’s speech earlier and understood sooner. What he is talking about is what the Soviet Union tried to do from 1933 onwards: namely to stop Hitler before he got started. This time Russia is able to do it by itself. In other words, Putin feels that he is making a pre-emptive attack to stop June 1941. This is very serious indeed and indicates that the Russians are going to keep going until they feel that they can safely stop.

The Russian view is not really that far fetched.

Here is a recent news agency video of officials of the Ukrainian Security Service SBU in front of a destroyed house seemingly praying with a priest for the deceased.


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Note the fascist Right Sector patch the official carries on his arm and back. The SBU has become a kind of Gestapo tasked with eliminating opposition elements in Ukraine. The UN's OHCHR, the OSCE, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International have all reported about the SBU's many crimes.

There is also an 'SS Galizien' patch on the officers back which refers to the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) which fought with Nazi-Germany against the Soviet Union. Like many other SS division the 1st Galician was involved in serious war-crimes but later mostly whitewashed. After the war many of its surviving officers fled to Canada and to the United States.

The offspring of those officers and other immigrants from the Ukraine played a noticeable role in lobbying for the war.

That has been successful as the U.S. had chosen to support extreme elements in Ukraine in opposition to peace. This has, as Aaron Maté writes, moved president Zelensky from an election campaign position of finding peace with Russia to becoming a war maniac:

On a warm October day in 2019, the eminent Russia studies professor Stephen F. Cohen and I sat down in Manhattan for what would be our last in-person interview (Cohen passed away in September 2020 at the age of 81).

"Zelensky ran as a peace candidate," Cohen explained. "He won an enormous mandate to make peace. So, that means he has to negotiate with Vladimir Putin." But there was a major obstacle. Ukrainian fascists, Cohen warned, "have said that they will remove and kill Zelensky if he continues along this line of negotiating with Putin… His life is being threatened literally by a quasi-fascist movement in Ukraine."

Peace could only come, Cohen stressed, on one condition. "[Zelensky] can’t go forward with full peace negotiations with Russia, with Putin, unless America has his back," he said. "Maybe that won’t be enough, but unless the White House encourages this diplomacy, Zelensky has no chance of negotiating an end to the war. So the stakes are enormously high."

Although Trump's impeachment failed to remove him from office, it succeeded in cementing the proxy war aims of its chief proponents: rather than support Zelensky's peace mandate, Ukraine would instead be used to "fight Russia over there."

I had earlier quoted an interview with Dmytro Yarosh, then the leader of the fascist Right Sector, who just a week after Zelenski had become president threatened him with death should he try to make peace with the eastern Ukrainian rebels. Yarosh later became an advisor to the chief general staff of the Ukrainian military. He is the main person behind the ongoing nazification of the Ukrainian military.

As ambassador Antonov has said the war in Ukraine is not only about the Ukraine.

Richard Falk, Professor Emeritus of International Law at Princeton University, is correctly pointing out the two levels of the war we see:

It is not that the empathy for Ukraine or support for Zelensky’s national resistance is misplaced, but that it has the appearance of being geopolitically orchestrated and manipulated in ways that other desperate national situations were not, and thus gives rise to suspicions about other, darker motives.

This is worrisome because these magnified concerns have acted as a principal way that the NATO West has gone out of its way to make the Ukrainian War about more than Ukraine. The wider war is best understood as occurring on two levels: a traditional war between the invading forces of Russia and the resisting forces of Ukraine as intertwined with an encompassing geopolitical war between the US and Russia. It is the prosecution of this latter war that presents the more profound danger to world peace, a danger that has been largely obscured or assessed as a mere extension of the Russia/Ukraine confrontation.

If this two-level perception is correctly analyzed in its appreciation of the different actors with contradictory priorities, then it becomes crucial to understand that in the geopolitical war the US is the aggressor as much as in the traditional war on the ground Russia is the aggressor.

Falk concurs with professor John Mearsheimer who fears that the larger U.S. Russia conflict hidden behind the war in Ukraine may lead to widening of the conflict into a potential nuclear war.

Summarizing Mearsheimer's recent talk with Katrina vanden Heuvel and ambassador James Matlock, the former CIA analyst Ray McGovern writes:

Speaking at an April 7 webinar, Mearsheimer was, true to form, "offensively realistic". He explained: (1) the root cause lies in the April 2008 NATO summit Declaration that Ukraine (and Georgia) "will become members of NATO"; and (2) that Russia sees this as an "existential threat" and therefore "must win" this one.

For President Joe Biden and the Democrats, even though Ukraine poses zero strategic threat to the U.S., a Russian "win" would be, politically, a "devastating defeat", says Mearsheimer. In that sense, the conflict is a "must-win" for the US as well. Underscoring the obvious, he noted it is impossible for both sides to "win" – at least not in current circumstances.

Noting that US academics and policy makers don’t believe NATO’s designs on Ukraine represent an existential threat to Russia, Mearsheimer is as blunt as his courteous mien permits. "What people in Washington believe is irrelevant. What matters is what Russia believes." He rejects the "mainstream" view that Putin’s Russia is motivated by expansionist aims, and asks the savants in Washington to put concrete evidence behind their claims. Moreover, "There is no evidence in what Putin has said that he wants to make Ukraine part of Russia," Mearsheimer adds.

Towards the end of a talk with Gonzalo Lira former Marine officer and UN Inspector Scott Ritter disputes the potential for escalation. The Pentagon, he says, knows the real situation on the ground and that the Ukrainian army will lose the war. Neither NATO, nor the U.S. nor single countries like Poland have their forces configured in a way that would allow them to successfully wage war against Russia. They would need more time to get ready than Russia will need to win the war in Ukraine.

Ritter predicts that the Pentagon will overrule any escalation the Ukraine warmongers in the State Department and National Security Council may plan and that those responsible for the current mess, Victoria Nuland, Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, will get silenced or removed after the midterms.

I hope he is right.

Comments

Posted by: bolangi | Apr 11 2022 21:11 utc | 91
Agree with that logic. This would mostly be a political move given the already extant cooperation.
BUT…
Posted by: WJ | Apr 11 2022 21:14 utc | 94 has raised some good points.
As soon as either, especially Finland given its geographic proximity, become official NATO members, American missiles can be ‘legally’ installed there.
Further, I too find it very worrisome given the corner that the US and NATO have backed themselves into which is quite the opposite of what the narrative managers are telling us. In fact, by stating they plan to enter NATO this summer, they further back it into a corner because what if they don’t? Well, then that sends the message to Uncle Scam and the warmongers that Russia has won. But what if they do? WJ invokes some scenarios that may come to pass.
None of which lead to de-escalation or turning back the doomsday clock.

What does the US do? Does the US then actually engage with Russia, leading to WW3 and quite probably a nuclear war? Does the US do nothing? If the US does nothing, however, then NATO really *will* lose its mythos; hence the US will be motivated to do something; but if the US does something, then it is very likely that nuclear warheads will be exchanged sooner rather than later.

I think it’s about the ‘mythos’ – the image of a united West and uni-polar world aligned around the “Shining City on the Hill” – that Washington is desperate to maintain. And the hubris is not displaying any boundaries at the current time, at least in terms of words.
Looking up some of the stories about Finland/Sweden NATO membership, I found the usual mumbo jumbo from Atlantic Council, which of course couches everything in the propaganda of an “unprovoked full military invasion” of Ukraine by Russia – and – the no-longer-clever trick of conflating the USSR with Moscow with Russia.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/will-finland-and-sweden-join-nato-now/
They provide some polling numbers (not sure how accurate) which show that historically in both countries when the question posed is “Do you want to join NATO?” the answer is most often “NO” – but – that when the question is posed “If _____ joins NATO should _____ NATO?” (each blank being Finland and Sweden interchangably depending on which country is being asked), “YES” becomes a more common answer.
So my current take on the situation when looking at it from a “please don’t let there be nuclear war” is that this summer one of them puts the brakes on NATO and that it causes the other to similarly back out. At which point Uncle Scam suffers a major embarrassment.
The question then becomes, how does the spurned declining superpower react?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 21:31 utc | 101

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 21:24 utc | 98
But to be completely accurate, the training and weapons have been funneled in fits and spurts. Further, the goal of NATO and of the US is most definitely NOT to leave Ukraine with a functional, deadly army capable of repelling an invasion. What the goal IS is to prolong smaller conflicts, spark new ones and sell more weapons. It’s all about the Benjamins, not about strengthening “democracy” or spreading “human rights.” The Ukies were and are being used as cannon fodder to whom arms can be sold, not as a legitimate force to repel an invasion. NATO membership would probably see them receive quintuple the “lethal aid” leading to American missiles there and a new customer for all the garbage our MIC produces. Of course, that’s the whole reason Russia pre-emptively invaded, so…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 21:35 utc | 102

As if there was any doubt who is running this show. Here is the account of the French journalist with his encounter with American military personnell who is claiming that he runs the show.
https://southfront.org/in-video-french-journalist-confirmed-us-officers-command-foreign-militants-in-ukraine/
Someday, pentagon and US government will have to explain their war crimes. Hopefully, in a tribunal.

Posted by: Alpi | Apr 11 2022 21:37 utc | 103

Posted by: circumspect | Apr 11 2022 21:22 utc | 96
Thank you. That definitely helps shore up the Nazi argument. I’m still looking for some info on how, exactly, the de-facto ban on the Russian language and other legal persecutions of Russians or pro-Russia persons and organizations have played out, quantitatively and qualitatively. Human Rights Watch did a few write-ups on the language (and other) anti-Russian legislation, but they’re very watered down and they don’t get into much of what has actually happened as a result. The big picture that has emerged is one in which ultra-nationalistic tendencies (whether or not the Ukrainian far right gained much in terms of *elected* representation) have come to rule the day in Ukraine and that the US and NATO have been more than encouraging it. It’s the little pictures I’m really wanting to see; as many of them in one place as possible to make it easier to shoot down some of the talking points coming my way.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 21:42 utc | 104

Are we missing the elephant in the room too in this analysis?
Well a dragon actually. Any escalation that leads to direct attacks on Russia or any of the SCO will mean the mutual security treaties they have get triggered.
It does seem that the reckless perception management of the 5+1 eyes populations (just 15% of the humans on the planet) by their Masters is designed to cut -off from that rest of the world. Through xenophobia built upon racism and hatred of individual leaders.
They consider they lose the war this time but will want to come back in a few generations to do it all over again.
It’s going to come down to European peoples who have a much longer history then the collective European migrants of the 5+1 eyes to stand apart from these young cousins and us perfidious Brits they know so well.
It ain’t over till the fat lady sings – ‘fuck the EU, I hate you all’ 🙂

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 11 2022 21:46 utc | 105

In response to Tom_Q_Collins@86,
I can’t speak for Finland, but my impression for Sweden is that there’s little organic interest in a NATO membership among the public, and among certain ethnic and cultural groups there’s a deeper understanding of what such a membership might entail. But a so-called “debate” between what’s essentially different flavors of pro-NATO spokespeople has been manufactured in all legacy media and is being used to drive the narrative — that it’s not a question of “if” but rather, whether someone’s arm needs to be twisted or whether neutrality has any intrinsic value and other technicalities. Basically, the informational equivalent of Chinese water torture towards an inevitable conclusion.
That, in turn, has prompted “political representatives” to react and take sides, and since there is only one side being represented in this “debate” that makes it the winning side to take. I’ll be surprised if any meaningful opposition manages to crystalize, whether grass-roots or from the party apparatus.
A week or two ago I glanced through the Swedish so-called “public service” media, to see what sort of fake news about Ukraine that they had on offer, and happened upon a lady expert answering 5 popular questions about potential NATO membership for Sweden.
One question was whether such a membership might paint a target on Sweden in big-power conflicts — unfortunately the only relevant question out of the 5, but a great one none the less. Her answer was the following; Not really, at least not any more of a target than any other NATO country because Herp Derp Collective security.
The answer already presupposes NATO membership, since it doesn’t even attempt a fair comparison to maintaining a non-aligned status. It doesn’t take into consideration geography; at this juncture, a great power conflict isn’t a theoretical scenario revolving around a future conflict in South America or outer space — Sweden would become another country at the front line, unlike some other members. It doesn’t stop to consider the role that foreign weapons platforms on Swedish soil might have in increasing the threat Sweden poses and subsequently the reciprocal threat to it. That in turn would be the only meaningful contribution from Sweden’s membership — an additional target for the “collective security” arrangement so that the more important members might avoid the full extent of retaliation in the event of full scale conflict.
Had she said any of that, maybe an actual debate would have materialized. But, on the same page, an expert in international law was saying that Butcha was a text-book example of a war-crime and that there was no doubt in his mind of Putin’s personal responsibility. The interviewer, bless him, actually asked about the Ukrainian Tochka strike on downtown Donetsk, as reported by the Russians. His answer was that, naturally, the incident would need to be thoroughly investigated, but that it was probably Russian propaganda.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 11 2022 21:49 utc | 106

It is also amazing how “generous” the West with military aid, and how stingy and ineffective it is on the economic front. Example 1: Afghanistan. Example 2: the vibrant and prosperous democracy in Kosovo (not so much).
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 11 2022 19:27 utc | 66
It’s much more attractive to funnel founds into something you’re invested in, I suppose. It’s not like they have any other plan than to enrich themselves.
Following plans made elsewhere.

Posted by: Anne Brit | Apr 11 2022 21:51 utc | 107

A tangent.. just saw on CNN a poll of Americans’ priorities. Top 2, are Economy and Inflation (in 70’s) and next come Something and the War (in the 60’s). Maybe the hysterical, psychodrama lies upon lies (Russian train attack, Russian war crimes being investigated, etc, etc, etc, etc ad nauseum) will have to actually be amped up!! (don’t see how that is possible, but satan is clever)

Posted by: Nancy | Apr 11 2022 21:53 utc | 108

You’re not quite right Tom, the aim is to keep the war going indefinitely, after all, it’s expendible Ukrainians who are being sacrificed. The US boasts that it’s supplying weapons EVERY DAY to Ukraine and the quantity is staggering, 1000s of anti-aircraft missiles, 1000s of anti-tank missiles and so on in a vain attempt to bleed Russia dry but the fact is that Russia hasn’t even started to use its latest weapons like the Armata tank, it’s using its mostly its existing stock of armaments with the exception of its standof weapons, Kalibyr, Onyx and so forth. NATO daren’t get directly involved, it’ll get trashed! Unfortuntely, Russia has learnt to its cost how to fight real wars, unlike USNATO which uses a bunch of fascists to fight its wars for it.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 21:53 utc | 109

The genuine outcome of NATO’s activities in Ukraine has made all NATO members belligerents and subject to attack by Russia. And to the degree that NATO financed bio-weapon labs, those nations will also be guilty of breaking the bioweapons treaty. Then we have the torture and murder of civilians by the Nazis NATO nation’s financed, trained and armed, which renders them all abettors to those crimes. So what NATO has done is criminalize all its members and made their political leaders answerable to war crimes prosecution.
So, the citizens of non-NATO nations need to ask themselves a critical question: Why on Earth do they want to join a criminal organization that has nothing to do with defense?

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2022 21:55 utc | 110

“Ritter predicts that the Pentagon will overrule any escalation the Ukraine warmongers in the State Department and National Security Council may plan and that those responsible for the current mess, Victoria Nuland, Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, will get silenced or removed after the midterms.”
That will only happen if Biden can be convinced to do so. I’m not holding my breath.
There will be a Democratic slaughter at the mid-terms, I think that’s obvious from Biden’s own poll numbers. And maybe in 2024 when the Repugs get back in, some things will change. But the neocons have moved from Repug to Democrat and back before, so I wouldn’t count them out. I suspect that there is big money behind the front neocons, and big money rules the US.
I do hope Ritter is right about the Pentagon continuing to resist expansion of the war. But I’m not going to make that prediction. In the end, the Pentagon takes orders from the White House. Some people hope for a coup, but I seriously doubt that’s going to happen. If it did happen, depending on how it happens, that would be the end of “American experiment”. Granted, that ended long ago, maybe back in the 19th Century, but it was not perceived as such. This time, it will be. You can’t have a military dictatorship in Washington and call oneself a “democracy” even as a con game, which is what US “democracy” is now.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:00 utc | 111

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 21:35 utc | 100
We agree on the point of benjamins. Among the many aspects of this now nascent war the economic cost is the primary, IMO. Putin and his team pride themselves on being cheap when waging special military operations such as in Syria and Ukraine; on the other hand, NATO is pursuing expansion at enourmous cost while talking about 2nd Afganistan/Syria in Ukraine and shipments of weapons more fit for terrorists such as killer drones (although today was the first mention of US small tactical ballistic missiles)?
It does not makes any sense to me, but the current EU/NATO is making an expensive gamble.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 22:02 utc | 112

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2022 17:21 utc | 14
Thank you very much for continuing to post Lavrov’s interviews. I agree completely that he is announcing a sweeping change not just a special operation. Historically neither he nor Putin exaggerate or bluff.
I have nothing to add, just recommend everyone to read or watch the interview posted in the last thread.
https://vk.com/@580896205-lavrov-interview-11-april-rossiya24

Posted by: K | Apr 11 2022 22:02 utc | 113

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 21:53 utc | 106
Yes, one of the things I alluded to was the desire on the part of Washington and the MIC contractors who own the government to prolong the conflict (in Ukraine and elsewhere). When I said that the weaponry and trainings were in “fits and spurts” (or however I mangled that phrase), I was really referring to the period between 2008 and 2016, when there wasn’t the same appetite among the US elected and bureaucracy class (deep state) to provoke Russia. As you have pointed out, since that time, the amount of weaponry and military collaboration has been astounding. As of right now, yep, they’re bragging to any presstitute transcriptionist that will listen about how much “lethal aid” “we” are sending to the Ukies.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:03 utc | 114

In addition to my post @103,
I wanted to clarify, but forgot, that I would expect a national referendum on NATO membership in Sweden to likely fall through, but it’s hard to determine how narrow the margin is and I’m sure it fluctuates. If organized during a major media blitz of “Russian warcrimes” and other hysterical reporting, it might even generate enough public support on an emotional high. However, generally, when something is too close to be a sure thing, they probably won’t leave it up to the voters. The only way the Swedish public gets a vote, is if NATO opposition politicians can’t find the backbone to stand behind their convictions and decide to make the public responsible, so that they have an excuse internationally. All bets would be off on whether the vote would be fair or manipulated however.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 11 2022 22:03 utc | 115

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 20:34 utc | 79
Fritt Ord foundation https://frittord.no/en/home
I noted that Jens Chr. Hauge was one of the founders. He was according to Wikipedia also a founding father to NATO.
He worked for OSS during wwII
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Christian_Hauge

Posted by: Anne Brit | Apr 11 2022 22:04 utc | 116

arding Finland’s and Sweden’s accession to NATO, I think there is a history of military and intelligence cooperation, so that like Ukraine, Finland and Sweden are already de facto NATO allies. Officially joining NATO is a political move, rather than a fundamental change.
Posted by: bolangi | Apr 11 2022 21:11 utc | 91

You’re right in that the two countries are de facto NATO allies; their neutrality is beyond bogus. But joining NATO would be somewhat more than just a “political move”; as others have pointed out, it would entitle NATO to station missiles on the Russian border — and you’d better believe those missiles would be armed with nukes.
I have no doubt in my mind Sweden will apply; Sweden has no doubt been waiting for years for an opportune moment to do so — ever since Olof Palme was conveniently removed from the scene. Finland I’m less sure of, but I imagine they’ll do so too. Uncle Sam performs poorly on the battlefield, but is still the world’s undisputed master when it comes to bribery, blackmail, and threats.
I’m not sure how Russia could effectively counter except to promise both countries devastation in the event they submitted formal applications (and before NATO could approve them), but that’s more of a shit show than Russia wants to have to deal with.
Anyway, yes, it’s all just starting.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 11 2022 22:04 utc | 117

From the Russian MoFA Telegram channel…
#Opinion by Maria Zakharova:

Foreign Minister of Ukraine Dmitry Kuleba has called (https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1513080148672880643?t=EjDDBLa41Yq_udLJPikL7w&s=19) on scholars throughout the world to investigate the causes that have led to the atrocities in Bucha: “For many years, Russian political elites and propaganda have been inciting hatred, dehumanising Ukrainians, nurturing Russian superiority, and laying ground for these atrocities. I encourage scholars around the globe to research what led to Bucha.”
Kuleba’s call has been echoed (https://www.facebook.com/598637786/posts/10159341248927787/) by Alexey Arestovich, an adviser to President Zelensky, who wrote: “So, these are the buttons we need to press. Incite concern with a statement and after that, evoke a feeling of guilt: ‘While the boys are out there in the trenches, you are having a good time in Kiev nightclubs, you bastards!’ Or say: ‘You are not giving money to the army.’ And then press the button of security needs. After that, make the persons in question ‘part of a significant group’ and reward them. The first set of buttons is to raise concern, and the second group is aimed at rewarding them and leading them to where we want them to be. In other words, first we scare them silly, and then we show them a way out, foster their expectations and tell them what they must do, and that after that everything will be great. We are nurturing their expectations and a feeling of being part of specific groups: ‘We are brothers,’ ‘We are Ukrainians,’ ‘We have repelled a terrible Russian onslaught, which means that there is nothing to fear,’ ‘Ukraine is respected throughout the world,’ ‘Ukrainians are the best soldiers, they will fight to the bitter end,’ ‘We won’t be deceived.’ Being part of a significant group, feeling that they are part of the significant group that is working to solve the problem. ‘Those who are on Maidan are the good guys.’ And this leads us to a feeling of pride and self-praise: ‘Ukrainians are the best soldiers in the world, we can defeat anyone.’ And then they are offered a reward, that is, they must be shown what will happen if they do this or that.”
This is how the Ukrainian fighters who staged the criminal provocation in Bucha were trained. Next time Kuleba should not appeal to “scholars around the globe” but to Alexey Arestovich, “a politician, intelligence officer, blogger, political and military columnist, actor, organiser of psychological seminars and trainings and a charity fund for psychological support to the military” who fought against people in Donbass in 2014-2017. This is how he is described on Wikipedia. Arestovich will tell Kuleba how cyborgs were created in Ukraine.
🔗 https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova/2379

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:06 utc | 118

From Russian MoFA Telegram channel forwarded from MoD channel…

New false staged provocations to accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly abusing the population of Ukraine are being prepared by the Kiev regime under the guidance of the British intelligence services in Sumy region.
Representatives of the Ukrainian and Western media have been invited to Seredina Buda town in Sumy Region, which was formerly under the control of Russian troops, to conduct staged video footage. In order to conceal the provocation and prevent it from being exposed by real witnesses, a curfew has been imposed in the city and the local population has been forcibly evicted from the places where the filming took place.
In Nizhnyaya Syrovatka near Sumy, bodies are being dragged into one of the basements of residential buildings to be presented as allegedly another victim of the Russian Army. As conceived by the “British filmmakers”, units of Russian troops allegedly massacred and humiliated civilians as they withdrew. Another fake will be promoted by the Western media in the very near future. Its aim is to further increase Russophobia against the backdrop of Europe’s rapidly developing economic crisis.
Please note that Russian troops withdrew from this location three weeks ago – on March 20. Such events, if they really happened, could not have failed to become public in such a long period. Moreover, the Kiev regime is looking for any reasons to accuse Russia of genocide of the Ukrainians. A whole network of foreign information-psychological influences on the population is currently operating in Ukraine, producing “dirty tricks” on a professional basis. We will see the results of their anti-Russian activities more than once.
The Ukrainian authorities also make extensive use of interested countries and non-profit organisations.
For example, the French leadership has sent a group of French servicemen and the Gendarmerie to Ukraine to collect information on alleged crimes committed by Russian servicemen, together with representatives of the “International Commission on Missing Persons” (created at the initiative of the USA).
On April 11, French special operations forces personnel, together with technical experts from the French Gendarmerie and the Interior Ministry, arrived in Ukraine via Germany and Poland through the so-called “diplomatic corridor”.
Given the partisanship of these “experts”, there is no hope of an impartial investigation. Apparently, their main areas of activity will be to cover up numerous war crimes against the population of Ukraine and the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics committed by the Ukrainian authorities over the last eight years, as well as fabricating accusations against the Russian Armed Forces.
📑 Statement Full Text
(https://t.me/mod_russia_en/815)#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #HumanitarianResponse
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:10 utc | 119

Re : Finland and Sweden joining NATO
Ukrainian are used in real and direct active hostilities against Russia and through their Geographic and historic ties whom house real Russians in Ukraine. Both Sweden and Finland have no such ties that’ll give them incentives to actively seek such direct confrontation against Russia.
Frankly it changes little overall situation on Russian vs US/NATO standoff since nuclear will definitely fly.
Frankly I’m more afraid of Poles stupidity, they seem to learn nothing from their WW2 experiences.
Same allies different enemy.

Posted by: Lucci | Apr 11 2022 22:12 utc | 120

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:00 utc | 108
This is a *somewhat* unique situation where the de-facto leadership of the Red and Blue mask wearers of the War Party are almost totally aligned.
Unless Trump or someone in his ‘camp’ gets elected in sufficient numbers at either President or to the Congress/Senate (or both) the GOP and DNC are fully on-board the same train with respect to Ukraine.
Everything I’m seeing when I make the mistake of turning on the TV is both sides loudly cheering Zelensky and piping out anti-Russia propaganda. I suppose one exception is Tucker Carlson, but he’ll be marginalized if necessary. Amazing to me that not a single voice w/in the “liberal” MSM is speaking wisdom and peace at all.
In fact for some good background material, Posted by: circumspect | Apr 11 2022 21:22 utc | 96 provided a good article about how embedded Nazis, including Ukrainian ones, were with the Republicans after WWII. They won’t have any trouble ginning up support for the Ukra-Nazis should they re-take control of the government. I’m afraid on this matter, there’s way too much inertia to overcome. There will be no isolationist or anti-imperialist ever elected to a meaningful office in this country again.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:13 utc | 121

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:03 utc | 111
And, I’m trying in vain, to find the interview with a French journo who accompanied French Mercenaries to Ukraine and when he there, it was US military who were in charge and who told him that they issued the orders and he was made to sign a contract with the US. I’m damned if I can find the interview, really frustrating but it proves that the US are running the show there and it’s the US who telling coke head Zelensky exactly what to do and its obvious that every time it looks like he’s prepared to negotiate with Russia, the US nixes it.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 22:13 utc | 122

@Ghost of Kyiv | 48
“…the worlds “second most powerful army” managed to take Mariupol in 7 weeks (by the way, Azovstal is still not fully under Russian control). .
Russia… does what Russia does best, go into a violent rage and destroy everything.”

It is precisely due to the criminal tactics of your beloved Nazi Satanists that Azovstal alone remains to be liberated in Mariupol. But not much longer.
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1308880/pg1
“How many NATO officers are now in Mariupol?
“…There are now about 200 NATO officers and foreign instructors…[remaining] in the underground concrete premises of Azovstal. 
….
“[I]n Mariupol there was a large intelligence center of the French Armed Forces, acting in the interests of the alliance and the Kiev regime … but by the time the battle for the city began, there were 53 officers of the French military intelligence DGSE … they could not leave, because the Azov militants … the Nazis decided to use them as a guarantee that they themselves would be pulled out of the boiler.
“In addition to the French, there is a group of mercenaries in Mariupol … officers from Canada, Sweden and the UK, as well as a detachment of Syrian Turkomans… [and] among them there may be career intelligence officers from the Canadian CSIS, the Swedish Must and the British MI-6, who like to use the status of a mercenary as a cover. In general, they, too, were in a trap.
….
“On March 18, Chancellor Scholz came to help Macron, and on March 20, with the consent of Moscow, a rescue team was sent to Mariupol from officers of the German military intelligence BND. But the “Azov”, believing that this was the only hope for them to escape … turned the Germans into hostages, despite guarantees from the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the representative office of the Azov regiment located in Kyiv.

“This was followed by attempts to evacuate the French and Germans with the help of helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which … [resulted] in five downed helicopters. In one of those helicopters that fell into the sea, there were supposedly two Frenchmen… According to radio interception, 21 Frenchmen died on the territory of Azovstal.
….
“Now all living (if there are still any) foreign intelligence officers and military specialists held in Mariupol are concentrated at Azovstal to serve as human shields for the Nazis. Since the intelligence officers of the NATO countries and Sweden are of great operational interest to the Russian special services, and the very fact of their capture can have a huge propaganda effect, as well as become a serious trump card for pressure on the Western countries, efforts were made to take them alive.
“This circumstance greatly hampered the assault on Azovstal and did not allow powerful bombing and artillery strikes … But judging by the fact that now the intensity of the work of artillery and aviation has seriously increased, either information has appeared that the foreigners were liquidated by the “Azov” in order to avoid their detention by Russian special services, or, in order not to put the lives of our soldiers at unnecessary risk, they simply waved their hand at them.”
So Russia’s patience and along with it, time for your beloved Nazi Satanists is fast running out.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2022 22:16 utc | 123

From Russian MoD Telegram channel… Note the use of a hypersonic Kinzhal in Donestsk. In fact, note that almost all the operations described are in Donetsk.
Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
On April 11, buried, well-protected command post of a group of Ukrainian troops in Donbass was destroyed by Kinzhal air missile system near Chasov Yar, Donetsk Region.
High-precision air-based missiles near Selidovo, Donetsk Region, destroyed 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U tactical missile launcher,
2 multiple rocket launchers in 1 underground shelter, 2 camouflaged concentration of weapons and military equipment and up to 40 Ukrainian nationalists.

During the day, high-precision ground-based missiles in Popasnaya, Novozvanovka and Zolotoe, Donetsk Region, destroyed 1 battalion command and observation post, 3 company strong points, 2 company tactical groups of the Ukrainian 24th Mechanized Brigade and Territorial Defence Brigade, as well as 2 areas of military equipment concentration.
In total, up to 300 Ukrainian fighters, over 50 armoured fighting vehicles and up to 25 vehicles of various purposes were destroyed as a result of the strikes in these areas.
Russian air defence means shot down 1 Ukrainian Su-27 aircraft in the air near Sinelnikovo, Dnepropetrovsk region.
Operational-tactical aviation hit 42 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 3 command posts, 2 radars for illumination and guidance, 1 fuel depot, as well as 35 strong points and areas of Ukrainian military equipment concentration.
In total, 130 aircfaft [Sic: This is the second time I’ve seen this mis-spelled – obviously using a template LOL] and 99 helicopters, 243 anti-aircraft missile systems S-300, Buk-M1, Osa AKM, 441 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,132 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 241 multiple launch rocket systems, 913 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,028 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:16 utc | 124

Shiny face folk of course require significant ego stroking and some decent financial rewards to keep them keen to please.
Posted by: bubbles | Apr 11 2022 21:13 utc | 92
Like the former president of the US? I almost lost it when I watched a video of chabad-rabbis tell Trump they think he is the new messiah.
They read it in their numbers. I don’t know what they read this year- even if Putin also has his rabbi.
https://fitzinfo.net/2022/01/08/putins-rabbi-very-good-friends-with-nathaniel-rothschild-met-at-world-economic-forum/

Posted by: Anne Brit | Apr 11 2022 22:16 utc | 125

@ karlof1 14
You strive to share and educate, enlighten. Lavrov’s statement today is not just significant; it can be equated as going nuclear. It is of such significance because Russians do not threaten, they act.
Lavrov: Russian Special Operation in Ukraine Aims to Put End to US Course for World Domination
“Our special military operation is designed to put an end to the reckless expansion and reckless course towards complete domination by the United States and, under them, the remainder of Western countries on the world stage. This domination is built with egregious violations of international law, and in accordance with some [unclear] rules, which are imposed on occasion”, Lavrov said in an interview with the broadcaster Rossiya 24.
Posted in the other thread @ 342 this AM and glossed over. On this thread by you in depth and glossed over.
Don’t give up. We can only reach one or two and the hour is late.
Thank you.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 11 2022 22:18 utc | 126

It will not be over when it ends. NATO will beef up its footprint. They will build a new military force in the Ukraine. They will never give up.
Posted by: circumspect | Apr 11 2022 17:52 utc | 23
They will continue to target Russia but if they will build up a new military force in Ukraine depends on what will be left of Ukraine.
If Ukraine loses both the Donbass, and access to the sea, it will become much less attractive economically. That means Ukraine will not be able to pay for weapons and military support. And by now the West stopped giving military aid to Ukraine but gives it loans instead, loans to be spent on weapons – loans that the West expects Ukraine to pay back.
Most of Ukrainian industry is located in the East. A large part of that will be gone, as Russia is currently destroying Ukraine’s arms industry. An industry we aren’t interested in preserving anyway because we don’t want or need the competition.
US and EU want to get their hands on the gas deposits in Donbass. Those will be out of reach. US wants to get its own Black Sea port, to finally get a permanent presence in the Black Sea. Setting up nukes at the Russian border would just have been the cherry on top. A landlocked Ukraine immediately loses lots of attraction.
In addition, Zelensky and the Ukrainian diplomats don’t make many friends in NATO countries. Despite the propaganda efforts, the simple people may support the Ukrainian refugees but intensely dislike the Ukrainian leadership’s incessant demands. They know that NATO doesn’t want peace because NATO keeps sending weapons into the war zone.
Italian and Greek workers refuse to process weapon shipments to Ukraine. Increasing censorship of anything not supporting NATO narrative tells how hard it is to keep the propaganda on track. In addition people will start remembering again that there were reports – in MSM, no less – that, yes, there are Nazis in Ukraine. And those Nazis kindly provide the evidence themselves.
NATO will do what it always does – it will find some other cause to distract us with, and expect us to forget about the part it played in destroying Ukraine.

Posted by: Martina | Apr 11 2022 22:20 utc | 127

From Gonzalo Lira’s Telegram channel… That comment about “must be exploited as a resource” is almost certainly referring to the gas fields, IMO. They intended to depopulate the Donbass in order to install a fracking gas operation.

Dude . . .
“Bogdan Boutkevitch: “We don’t need to understand the Donbas, we need to understand Ukrainian national interests. Donbas must be exploited as a resource, which it is.” “At least 1.5 million people are superfluous”. “No matter how cruel it may sound, there is a certain category of people who must be exterminated.” From WIKIPEDIA: “According to the interim financial report Hromadske TV was funded in 2013 by the Netherlands Embassy (793,089 Ukrainian hryvnias, -Z-), the US Embassy (399,650 2) and by George Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation (247,860).[16] By June 2014 Hromadske TV had received another 558,842a from the Government of Canada, 394,1812 from the Fritt Ord Foundation, 287,898€ from the Embassy of the United States, Kyiv, 207,4022 from an auction organized by ‘Dukat’ (the Auction House) and 1,875,180a from individual contributors.””
YouTube (https://youtu.be/ICkcyt87Lw0)
Ukrainian Journalist in 2014: 1.5M people in Donbas are “superfluous”, need to be “exterminated”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:22 utc | 128

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 22:13 utc | 119
I’d like to see it if you can find it. Was the journalist Sebastien Gobert? Probably not, as he seems to be very much on the pro-Ukraine side of things, but if it was him, perhaps in this video you are talking about it was more of a gaffe or not meant to be seen element where the US military presence is concerned?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:24 utc | 129

Gonzalo also shows an incredible video of a Russian tank sidling up to a group of Ukrainian soldiers who apparently thought the tank was one of theirs! The tank fires point blank at the group of soldiers. The person taking the video apparently was Ukrainian as well because the image goes berserk as he was apparently fleeing. Insane video! (If it’s at all true, of course.)
For those who have Telegram, here’s the post link: https://t.me/realCRP/4297
I’ve uploaded it to my Google Drive (3.4MB):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qs4qgaYZGqAngUecQLYPCbCQJl6PStWe/view?usp=sharing

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:31 utc | 130

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:22 utc | 125
They intended to depopulate the Donbass in order to install a fracking gas operation.
I wonder if Hunter Biden had anything to do with it?
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Ukraine%20Report_FINAL.pdf

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:31 utc | 131

Re video: There’s also an aftermath video which I will NOT upload as it’s extremely graphic. A tank shell does wonders to human bodies.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:32 utc | 132

Richard Steven Hack
We all know that it can’t be true until it’s ‘officially’ denied, right?
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/joe-bidens-son-pushed-for-war-in-east-ukraine-to-clear-the-territory-for-fracking/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:37 utc | 133

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:03 utc | 111
Tom found it, this a translation from the Russian of a French TV programme:
[Forwarded from Denazification UA]
[ Video ]
“I thought we were going to be with international brigades, but I ended up facing the Pentagon”
French journalist Régis Le Saumier went to Ukraine following mercenaries from his country and spent eight days there. He told a lot of interesting stories:
“It surprised me (and the volunteers) when we realised that in order to join the ranks of the defending Ukrainians, we needed approval from the Americans. We almost got arrested, an American came up and said: “I’m in charge here; it’s me, not the Ukrainians”. He even introduced himself. He is a veteran of the Iraq war.
I checked, his mention can be found in a recent issue of Le Figaro. He was rude, at first he wanted to kick us out altogether. He ordered us to take the SIM cards out of our phones. We had to sign a contract until the end of hostilities. In general, the Americans rule – not the US army, of course, but unofficially.
https://t.me/c/1262772134/10084

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 22:37 utc | 134

Sanctions from hell gone wrong. Well worth reading.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-11/russian-current-account-surplus-surges-to-record-on-energy-sales

Russia recorded the largest current-account surplus since at least 1994, as revenues from oil and gas exports surged and imports plunged after the U.S. and its allies imposed sanctions over President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
Bloomberg Economics expects Russia will earn nearly $321 billion from energy exports this year, an increase of more than a third from 2021. It’s also on track for a current-account surplus that the Institute of International Finance says may reach as high as $240 billion.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2022 22:41 utc | 135

RUS have Nudelman-Khagan.
PAK have Lu.
Who is China’s USA-StateDept_TWN-Agitator?

Posted by: IronForge | Apr 11 2022 22:44 utc | 136

This is an extremely interesting post from the Rybar Telegram channel… WARNING! LONG POST! Highlights are mine. I would also point out that if Rybar knows this stuff, then presumably the Russians do, too.
From Rybar Telegram channel…
The operational situation in the Volyn region

Belarusian border
The commanders of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the settlement Food, Melniki and in the area of ​​​​the checkpoint Tomashevka scare the personnel with “an invasion from Belarus.” In this regard, beacons-traps are placed along the border, trenches are actively dug and dugouts are being equipped, measures are being taken to create a mine strip 2-3 kilometers deep with rare passages, which are known only to local commanders.
Due to the threat of the entry of troops from Belarus, the Volyn units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not currently planned to be transferred near Kyiv or to the eastern regions of Ukraine.
Polish border
From the territory of Poland, the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Volyn region are supplied with fuels and lubricants, weapons and ammunition. To do this, in order not to attract attention, smugglers are used, who carry goods in minibuses like the Dodge Caravan, equipped with a double bottom.
On the border with Poland in n.p. Ustilug, Starovoitovoe, as well as in the area of ​​​​the Yagodin border post, fortifications are being created, in particular dugouts that go deep underground.
Personnel and equipment
The salary of a serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Volyn region consists of:
17 000 hryvnia – salary;
30,000 hryvnia — processing (digging trenches, dugouts, mining);
100,000 hryvnia – participation in hostilities.
Since March of this year, payments have been made regularly, which motivates many to go as volunteers, who in fact serve in the regular units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but are listed in the defense.
At the same time, as sources note, not everyone is currently being taken into the defense, which is explained immediately by a number of reasons:
Lack of small arms, with enough ammo.
Lack of body armor and uniforms (uniforms and equipment are purchased by military personnel at their own expense).
The reluctance of the local command to arm random people, the stake is on ideological fighters who are really ready to fight.

Cost savings by containing the number of military personnel located in the rear (a salary of 47,000 hryvnia is good money for locals).
Volnian units are armed with a large number of grenade launchers and MANPADS of the Igla type. Equipment deliveries are expected.
Volny units are experiencing an acute shortage of fuel and lubricants and are very dependent on smuggled supplies from Poland.
Volunteer training
The course of a young fighter is conducted by instructors who come from near Kyiv or the “ATO zone”. Despite the shortage of small arms, shooting is carried out with young replenishment.
In the training of young recruits from among the volunteers, the emphasis is on guerrilla warfare. Military personnel are being trained to work as part of mobile sabotage groups that will travel in civilian transport (including ambulances and cash-in-transit vehicles) and in civilian clothes.
Local territorial defense detachments operated near Kiev until mid-April. After the withdrawal of units of the RF Armed Forces, cases of robberies and robberies were recorded in the Ivankovsky district: “Volynskys” were detained while looting apartments in the village of Kukhari.

Information processing
In the Volyn divisions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, propaganda work is being carried out with personnel. The emphasis is on the dehumanization of Russian servicemen. (You can read more about this in our reviews – general information (https://t.me/rybar/30328), working out the topic of sexual violence – part 1 (https://t.me/rybar/30864), part 2 ( https://t.me/rybar/30904)).
Main theses:
military personnel of the RF Armed Forces kill old people;
Russian military personnel kill children;
military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces rape little girls (for example, the personnel were informed that 3 weeks ago, Russians allegedly raped 17 girls near Kiev, after which they hung them in the forest).
In addition, in order to increase morale, the local command misinforms the personnel about the real situation on the fronts, announcing the imminent release of the blockade of Mariupol and the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over half of the territory of Kherson.
Servicemen in the Volyn region are very afraid of Russian aviation, but the commanders reassure the personnel with fast deliveries of air defense systems (including from Poland).

locals
The population of the Volyn region is actively cooperating with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, supplying the servicemen with provisions, water, medicines, generators, pumps, mattresses, letting the servicemen go to their homes to wash. From selfish purposes, local entrepreneurs also help the Ukrainian army, wanting to maintain the status quo and, as a result, income from smuggling that goes across the border with Poland.
#Belarus #Volyn #Poland #Ukraine
@rybar

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:50 utc | 137

karlof1@14, thank you for drawing attention to Lavrov’s interview. I did read the machine translation you provided at 347 on the previous thread, and with some alterations, found an interesting passage made a bit clearer — the alterations are my own, and I’ll not stand on their accuracy, only that making them helped me understand what it seemed to me was being said. Here is that passage, (with my alterations added within the starred segments):

Lavrov:”… I think that *as happened* in Germany, facts will make their way, and it will become known who commits war crimes there *in Ukraine*. And this will be determined not on the basis of fakes (such as Bucha, Kramatorsk), but on the basis of the murderous facts that we present, *that* our military *have discovered* during *the Special Military Operation;* and on the basis of the testimony of people who *have* lived for many years in the divided Donbass, in isolation from their sons. *People* who remained on the eastern part of the contact line, *living* under the oppression of these neo-Nazis. When these people are released now, it is impossible to disbelieve the feelings they express *or* invent the hardships they describe *concerning* life under the control of neo-Nazi and other “territorial” battalions…”

I apologize for the awkwardness of this ‘translation’. The biggest guess at meaning occurs at the beginning of the passage. I could not make sense of it except as a reference to the Nuremberg Court proceedings. I could have been wrong.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 11 2022 22:51 utc | 138

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2022 22:16 utc | 120
Thank you very much for that amazing story. If NATO-allies don’t understand what they have let loose by now, I think they are more of a danger to themselves than anyone else.
I hope there are people alive to tell the story.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 22:55 utc | 139

@Peter AU1 | 132
“Bloomberg Economics expects Russia will earn nearly $321 billion from energy exports this year, an increase of more than a third from 2021.
Heh-heh! So the US’ outright theft of Russian wealth is recovered in less than a year on energy sales alone. Schadenfreude is so delicious. Makes paying much more at the pump almost a pleasure. Make it rain, Putin!

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2022 22:55 utc | 140

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 22:37 utc | 131
Thanks. It looks as though the transcript will have to suffice. That’s a private Telegram channel of which I’m not a member.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2022 22:56 utc | 141

Also from Ryber Telegram channel…
Losses of the Ukrainian side as a result of a special military operation of the RF Armed Forces as of April 11, 2022

During the day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost 401 people killed, wounded and captured. 30 people were lost in the National Guard.
According to the internal report of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 7 tanks, 14 armored vehicles, 2 MLRS, 11 field artillery guns and mortars, 2 long-range and medium-range air defense systems, 28 vehicles and special vehicles and 3 UAVs were lost.
Important clarification: all these data are predictable. That is, the Ukrainian side in its own internal reports and summary does not have the exact number of losses for each category.
There is no communication with some units, and they are listed as missing, some equipment can be restored after the strike. Therefore, in internal reports, the tendency is always to underestimate the real number of losses.
High resolution infographics
(https://i.ibb.co/b10pnKZ/11-04-02.jpg)Russian version
(https://i.ibb.co/nggFp6j/11-04-EN-02-02.jpg)#Russia #Ukraine
English Graphic showing total losses:
https://i.ibb.co/nggFp6j/11-04-EN-02-02.jpg

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:56 utc | 142

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:50 utc | 134
Hmmm… I’m not sure how accurate this is, especially given that the Uke govt announced a few days ago that it was no longer using volunteers (they’re more of a hindrance than a help) plus the Uke govt has just announced that all male Ukrainians abroad between the ages of 18 and 60 MUST return to Ukraine on pain of imprisonment if they don’t.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 22:58 utc | 143

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 22:56 utc | 139
Latest List of Uke Losses Russian MoD 11/4/22:
Aircraft: 130
Helicopters: 99
Tanks and other armored combat vehicles: 2,132
Special Military Automotive Equipment: 2038
Unmanned Aerial Vehiccles: 441
Multiple Rocket Launchers: 241
Field Artillery and Mortars: 913
Anti-Aircraft Missile systems
S-300, BUK M-1, OSA-AKM: 243

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 23:07 utc | 144

Finally, Lavrov’s open statement about Russia’s goal to remove western domination over the world has lot of implications, but main IMO is:
There will be new fronts opened very soon all over the world where US needs pushing out. This means China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela and some others will get into some form of action soon. There is no way they will stand in sidelines with their di*ks in their hands doing nothing. If Russia falls, they are next.

Posted by: Abe | Apr 11 2022 23:09 utc | 145

Of course, Russia will not fail, it survived far worse and capable enemies than this bunch of degenerates.

Posted by: Abe | Apr 11 2022 23:11 utc | 146

More from the https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel on the tank video I referenced earlier…

One of the rare combat episodes, which confirms the high proficiency of the Russian troops.
The opponents in the video – both the Russian tank and the Ukrainian military group – did not recognize each other in time. The military of Ukraine until the end thought that it was their tank. The Russian tankers realized that the enemy was in front of them at the last moment, several tens of meters before the checkpoint. Probably, the tankers of the Russian Federation approached at such a distance, precisely to make sure that the enemy was in front of them.
As a result, the tank commander made the only right decision in a matter of seconds – to fire from a cannon at the military equipment standing next to the group of military vehicles (infantry fighting vehicles or armored vehicles). So the entire asset of the enemy is affected. Machine gun fire could lead to the dispersal of the enemy and the destruction of the tank, while no one would waste a cannon charge separately on infantry.
On the face of carelessness and low training of a group of Ukrainian military – gathered in one place and smoke bamboo.
On the recording, a second shot from a tank is heard. Rolled into dust.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 23:16 utc | 147

Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2022 22:55 utc | 137
I cant help but think Sun Tzu when I look at those figures 🙂

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2022 23:17 utc | 148

@tom q Collins
I don’t have a link that provides a succinct description
Of what you’re looking for. If a bar fly provides such,
I’d be pleased to use it in the same manner as you propose.
Frankly, I’ve found myself in a similar situation,
Where the oppositions go to is along the lines of,
“But Zelensky is Jewish! Haha!”
The closest I’ve found that approaches what you describe is
“Ukraine is on Fire”, the doc film.
I red that film every time Ukraine comes up.
I understand it’s American film, and has its spins, but it’s close
to what you are describing.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Apr 11 2022 23:20 utc | 149

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 11 2022 23:07 utc | 141
It seems MoD numbers are higher for most categories than the crowd sourced numbers in rybar’s infographic, strange.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 23:25 utc | 150

Best way to Lvov from Brest:
M-19 to Kovel,
then Lutsk,
Then to Doubno (excellent big tank battle there in 1941),
M-06 to Lvov …
Nice trip!

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 11 2022 23:34 utc | 151

Thanks to K, Likklemore and juliana for your replies and acknowledgement of the import of Lavrov’s announcement. But it’s not just here that something of such vast proportions gets “glossed over;” it’s also happening at other venues with tens of thousands of viewers. I understand that commentators get caught up in their topic and with those within the discourse that forms around it.
At the end of his long essay, “The Military Situation in the Ukraine”, the author Jaques Baud asks this:
Because finally, what makes the conflict in the Ukraine more blameworthy than the war in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya? What sanctions have we adopted against those who deliberately lied to the international community in order to wage unjust, unjustified and murderous wars? Have we sought to “make the American people suffer” for lying to us (because they are a democracy!) before the war in Iraq? Have we adopted a single sanction against the countries, companies or politicians who are supplying weapons to the conflict in Yemen, considered to be the “worst humanitarian disaster in the world?” Have we sanctioned the countries of the European Union that practice the most abject torture on their territory for the benefit of the United States?
To ask the question is to answer it… and the answer is not pretty.

And the ultimate answer is no one listened while everyone lied–that is all but the Russians. The Russians warned, cajoled, begged, argued, and finally submitted what many saw as an ultimatum but was actually asking the question: Do you intend to honor the treaties you signed? And there was no answer given. Or rather there was–more escalation and threats that made the situation perfectly clear. Yes, the Russians listened and acted on what they heard.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2022 23:35 utc | 152

Posted by: Abe | Apr 11 2022 23:11 utc | 143
Dont underestimate the power of treason and poison …

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 11 2022 23:37 utc | 153

As I expected… From https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel…

Ukrainian propagandists are trying to pass off Ukrainian soldiers from a video of a tank firing at them as Russian servicemen.
However, it is not.
By reducing the speed of the video and stopping it at 19 seconds, you can see how, after a tank shot, the shooter rushes to run and another group of soldiers gets into the frame, one of which is clearly visible with a blue bandage on his sleeve.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 23:43 utc | 154

Since Finland and Sweden and Georgia and Moldova are about to swallowed by the big aNacondATO I suggest Russia invade them this week so everybody’s happy.
These countries will be protected by Russia – fear no more.
NATO is vindicated and was right all along – and can increase military budget and get bribed in the process,
Russia has no risk of being targeted from their territories.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 11 2022 23:45 utc | 155

karlof1 #37
Thank you for your persistence and for those experiencing access difficulties from the Russian site, try this locality in China.
And you can download in a second by clicking the link at the bottom of the intro text. I guess China sites may be more prolific.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 11 2022 23:45 utc | 156

@Posted by: Ghost of Kyiv | Apr 11 2022 18:57 utc | 51
Russian GDP per capita PPP: US$29,800 (pre-conflict)
Ukraine GDP per capital PPP: US$13,000 (pre-conflict)
Now be gone and shut up with your trolling rubbish. Ukrainians are the only ex-Eastern bloc collapse population that are poorer than before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 11 2022 23:50 utc | 157

news report
U.S., U.K. working to confirm reports of Russian chemical weapons attack in Mariupol
Oh right, we’ll believe them. . not
In the real world, the International Criminal Court have begun an investigation of alleged war crimes. The ICC is the world’s only permanent international court with a mandate to investigate and prosecute genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. . . .Russia (and U.S.) are non-members of the ICC.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2022 23:52 utc | 158

This is an interesting comment from the https://t.me/Army_Russia Telegram channel forwarded from the https://t.me/FAKEcemetery Telegram channel. No idea as to the source.

Ukrainian telegram channels are openly admitting that the situation in Bucha is a decree, and was used by the Ukrainian side to put pressure on Europe. Moreover, among the Ukrainian elites, judging by the message, there is a serious split – Ukrainian insiders believe that they generally tried to frame Zelensky with Bucha – from Avakov, through the Botswain, who was one of the first who appeared in Bucha, recorded a video about the cleansing from there, which, however, soon removed.
Now the Nazi Boatswain, who most likely was one of those who “cleansed” Bucha from Ukrainian citizens, is being tried to be almost an FSB agent.
“There are boys without blue armbands, can I shoot at them?” – the voice in the Botswain’s video seems to hint at what happened in Bucha after the Ukrainian militants entered there.

And from Intel Slava Z Telegram channel…

A draft law on the mandatory return of Ukrainians from abroad has been submitted to the Verkhovna Rada in the event of martial law being introduced
According to the bill, if martial law is introduced in all of Ukraine or its individual parts, then people living abroad and subject to conscription will be required to return home within 15 days.
Valid reasons for not returning will only be natural disasters, business trips, inpatient treatment or other circumstances that prevent departure.
Failure to comply with this requirement will result in criminal prosecution.
Now it is forbidden for men aged 18 to 60 to leave Ukraine – with very rare exceptions.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 23:58 utc | 159

worldblee 3
It’s a sad state of affairs when in the US we must hope that the Pentagon overrules the “democratically elected” civilian officials.
Putting aside any notion of appointed officials being elected, I would think the problem lies in the absence of an accountable leadership. Even if the election had been without blemish, the resulting winner is, as everybody knows, not even competent to hold chief dog catcher, run a household, or hold a traffic sign for pay. The expectation that he hold the US chief executive position, results in absence of leadership. People who control stuff in the background can never come out in the open, so are not effective in terms of being partners or opponents in negotiation. Zelensky at least can be dealt with because he’s still got all faculties, even if he does not have agency. Biden is absolutely hopeless. The fact that the rest of the world humors the US administration is a mystery and beyond farce.

Posted by: YY | Apr 12 2022 0:00 utc | 160

Heh, looks like the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine agrees with those who think the Russian forces in Kiev were a feint. From Intel Slava Z Telegram channel:

Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: Russia will decide on the resumption of the offensive against Kyiv, based on how the offensive in Donbas will develop:
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are aware of several battalion tactical groups in Belarus that carry out “demonstration actions”:
“Obviously, this is such a tactical game of the Russian Federation to keep units of the Ukrainian army here (in the Kiev region) and prevent them from being transferred to more difficult operational zones, including to the east and south of Ukraine.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 12 2022 0:01 utc | 161

“The Azov Regiment reports that about an hour ago #Russian troops used a toxic substance of unknown origin against Ukrainian military and civilians in the city of #Mariupol.
“The victims suffered from respiratory failure and vestibulo-attack syndrome.”
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1513598049251209222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Posted by: Oui | Apr 11 2022 21:01 utc | 87
***
The vestibular system governs the sense of balance, but there is no such condition as “vestibulo-attack syndrome”. Not how medical conditions are named; suggest instead Chronic Nazigenic Whine-itis.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 12 2022 0:03 utc | 162

“Russian occupation forces used a poisonous substance of unknown origin against Ukrainian military and civilians in the city of Mariupol, which was dropped from an enemy [unmanned aerial vehicle],” the Azoz Regiment, a unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, posted to Telegram on Monday. “The victims have respiratory failure, vestibulo-atactic syndrome.”

That’s verbatim from yahoo!news. Note: we’re getting accustomed to video, photos, and now statements sourced directly to Azov (weirdly mispelled on Yahoo! — as if they’re ashamed of themselves for collaborating with Nazis, or something).
What does it mean? Remember when the boss of USA’s crime syndicate said that we’d “respond in kind” to a Russian chemical attack? Not merely this production… my opinion is the whole string of concocted Russian atrocities is preparing us for a terrorist attack on Russian civilians on Russian territory. And from there things escalate fairly quickly, I’d expect, whatever Ritter thinks of the Pentagon’s restraining effect.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 12 2022 0:04 utc | 163

From Donbass Insider Telegram channel… Kadyrov makes some provocative comments on his Telegram channel…

The leader of the Chechen republic says “things are about to get interesting” (https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/1853). He appears to announce the start of an offensive on Donbass and continues (https://t.me/inessas100/848) to call on Ukrainians to lay down arms, to avoid unnecessary losses.
He corrects the perception that Russian forces retreated from Kiev, rather, he suggests it was a regrouping.
9:00 am He illustrates what he would do if he was Commander in Chief – utilize a small tactical nuke against specific points of contention. In this way making Putin appear mild.
May cool heads prevail

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 12 2022 0:06 utc | 164

Yes, they write the propaganda, then believe it, then write about it again in order to get others to act on it. Such is the nature of “Op-ed: A new world order is emerging — and the world is not ready for it” by one Frederick Kempe, the President and Chief Executive Officer of the Atlantic , who was cited by Alastair Crooke in his short article published today, “‘Through Ukraine’: Can the West Use the War to Stem Its Decline and the Shift to a New Global Monetary Order?” Kempe’s concluding sentence:
“To shape the future world order, the U.S. and Europe first need to reverse the trajectory of Western and democratic decline in Ukraine.”
How many lies did he tell to himself that enabled him to write such idiocy that’s 180 degrees opposite of reality? Yes, most of his op-ed for CNBC is filled with such trash. I suppose we should expect no less from the head of his organization. IMO, the man and all those fawning him belong in padded cells.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 12 2022 0:09 utc | 165

From Donbass Insider… Apparently there has been a Tochka missile strike in Russia…according to Patrick Lancaster…

#BREAKING My Family Almost Hit By #Ukraine Tochka-U As It Hits Village In #Russia
I thought I had sent my family to a safer place. I sent them to Russia after a Ukrainian Tochka U killed 26 people 200 meters from our Apartment in Donetsk. Today a Ukrainian Tochka U hit Under 100 meters away from the homes they are staying in in a small Russian village on the Azov sea. THANK GOD they are ok but now I am moving them more inland to where they will be safe.
“>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qgRqYtuHC8&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 12 2022 0:12 utc | 166

Donass’ Basurin declares the start – or at least preparations – of the Donbass offensive… From Donbass Insider Telegram channel… Note the Ukrainian force count. It’s on the high end of the estimates so far.

Donbass offensive: Preparations are underway to encircle Ukrainian troops positioned along a 200 km line of demarcation, from Donetsk- Slovyansk into central Ukraine. They number at 90,000 to 100,000 men.
“These are the most combat-ready units that are currently in Ukraine …if they do not surrender, Ukraine will lose its entire army and the issue of demilitarization, one can say, would be resolved by 90%” – Basurin.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 12 2022 0:15 utc | 167

Not sure if this has been shared before, from ColonelCassad’s Telegram feed:
In Bucha, Alexander Rzhavsky, a pro-Russian businessman, former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, and candidate for the presidency of Ukraine, was claimed to have been a victim of the Russians. Now a recording of him speaking with the Russians has been released where they ask him if he wants to come with them when they leave as he will be in danger of reprisal attacks. Rzhavsky refuses, essentially say “What will be will be” and is later found shot dead and labelled as another victim of Russian war crimes.

Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 12 2022 0:20 utc | 168

Doug Hillman #120

It is precisely due to the criminal tactics of your beloved Nazi Satanists that Azovstal alone remains to be liberated in Mariupol. But not much longer.
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1308880/pg1
“How many NATO officers are now in Mariupol?
“…There are now about 200 NATO officers and foreign instructors…[remaining] in the underground concrete premises of Azovstal.
….
“[I]n Mariupol there was a large intelligence center of the French Armed Forces, acting in the interests of the alliance and the Kiev regime … but by the time the battle for the city began, there were 53 officers of the French military intelligence DGSE … they could not leave, because the Azov militants … the Nazis decided to use them as a guarantee that they themselves would be pulled out of the boiler.
“In addition to the French, there is a group of mercenaries in Mariupol … officers from Canada, Sweden and the UK, as well as a detachment of Syrian Turkomans… [and] among them there may be career intelligence officers from the Canadian CSIS, the Swedish Must and the British MI-6, who like to use the status of a mercenary as a cover. In general, they, too, were in a trap……”
So Russia’s patience and along with it, time for your beloved Nazi Satanists is fast running out.

Thank you for that post and I guess that is a serious probability if not reality. Clearly NATO has been hard at it in Ukraine for some years.
I see Mariupol as a very important lesson for the Ukrainian army forces kettled up in the east and scattered throughout Ukraine: the Nazi leadership is going to get you killed no matter who you are.
I imagine that the liberation forces are factoring in the consequences when the kettle turns into a pressure pot. Then will come the time of decision for many of the non Nazi Ukrainian soldiers to slip in the dagger where it is needed and take a chance at surrender. A large outbreak of revolt within the Ukrainian Army is a probability imo and worth waiting for.
The methodical patience of the Russian approach is wise and easily executed when you have dominance to the extent they have. Noting the way the Russians patiently waited for that new S300 toy to trundle across country to its staging point thus revealing the proximity of something vital to protect would be of benefit in aerial photographic interpretation of the region following drone flyovers and satellite data, clearly time is on the Russian side for now.
Mariupol is a salutary lesson to the entire Nato cultists. Their EU sense of being impervious to threat, safe from attack, extractable when in crisis – all demolished in Mariupol. Fat salaries no longer worth a pinch of sh!t.
The Nato team and their Nazi chaperones have had their arse kicked mighty hard.
And there are many more kettled up in the east I’ll bet + with a few biological weapons scientists along with them.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 12 2022 0:20 utc | 169

karlof1 | Apr 11 2022 23:35 utc | 148
I think if we consider hybrid warfare in the same terms or as being conventional warfare since WWII, this is now WWIII. It affects the whole of the world and is US/anglosphere vs the multipolar world and I think will only end when one side wins.
That joint Russia China statement does need to be kept front and center. So many did not understand the importance of it.
Also statements by the likes of Putin and Lavrov. I guess most in the west think politicians just say whatever is politically expedient which is what politicians in these so called democracies do and think Russia and China are no different.
The difference is the leaders of countries like Russia and China are actually leaders of their countries and say what they mean.
I guess thats the most frustrating thing in trying to talk to people who have no understanding of the world. They think the leadership of all countries are as corrupt and lying as ours.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2022 0:23 utc | 170

Posted by: S | Apr 11 2022 20:16 utc | 76
Thanks for that fascinating post! The outcome of legislation against use of the Russian language in Ukraine certainly makes one look at the demotion of Arabic from a co-official language in Israel to an auxiliary one in 2018 in a new, more sinister light.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 12 2022 0:25 utc | 171

Vintage Red #157

The vestibular system governs the sense of balance, but there is no such condition as “vestibulo-attack syndrome”. Not how medical conditions are named; suggest instead Chronic Nazigenic Whine-itis.

Likely they were scafing the last of turkish hash that the mercenaries from Idlib brought with them.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 12 2022 0:25 utc | 172

Desperate times for the ukies holed in Kharkov (apologies for the crappy yandex translation):
https://t.me/rybar/31034
A post from a subscriber:
Sad news, on the southern outskirts of Kharkov, the formation of 3 new nationalist battalions under such names as: “Slabozhanshchina”, “Harkivchina -1”, “Harkivchina -2”.
The “best” contingent of fresh units was recruited from the Alekseevskaya, Kachanovskaya and 43rd correctional colonies located in Kharkov,
where those convicted of grave and especially grave crimes were held.
do you understand, yes? What is the contingent there turns out to be. The Nazis.bats and so there mind and bright thoughts do not shine, but here it is.
Just like that, their sample tasks leaked into the soc-network. The battalions must block Kharkiv from the southern side and in no case allow the local population to leave the city and the subsequent retreat of the AFU combat units.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 12 2022 0:28 utc | 173

For Christ’s sake change the format of this comment section to something with threads where one line of argument can be pursued. Here we have one disconnected comment after another. It is maddening. Look at unz.com for example. This is the worst I’ve seen.

Posted by: Saggy | Apr 12 2022 0:33 utc | 174

This is my first time commenting on this blog. I read this blog regularly, have done so for a couple of yrs now, because it’s a blessed alternative to the garbage on western msm. Unfortunately, I see that this blog has increasingly become invaded by ukronazi propaganda bots, Ukrainian nazi scum peddling classic fascist anti-Russia narratives. They’re everywhere on social media, they’ve infested all the major platforms and now even blogs like this. Dregs of humanity.

Posted by: SHN | Apr 12 2022 0:33 utc | 175

Frankly, I’ve found myself in a similar situation,
Where the oppositions go to is along the lines of,
“But Zelensky is Jewish! Haha!”

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Apr 11 2022 23:20 utc | 145
A few week ago I watched an interview with a US academic, now based in Russia (sorry – forgot his name), who labeled Z a kapo in response to that inconvenient question. I think he’s probably correct.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 12 2022 0:36 utc | 176

I have penned a rather rambling but comprehensive view of the present, The Ontological Death of the West if anyone is interested.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 12 2022 0:47 utc | 177

Saggy | Apr 12 2022 0:33 utc | 169
This is much better as it it easy to follow various threads of conversation and argument. Just a mater of starting at last comment and reading back to what you have already read. Those other blogs, you have to scroll through sometimes hundreds of comments and try to spot the new ones.
Stop whinging.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2022 0:48 utc | 178

Any thoughts on Finland joining NATO, and the inaction of Rusia?

Posted by: MARS | Apr 12 2022 0:52 utc | 179

@Barofsky 119
Here’s the interview you asked for
https://t.me/GreatBritishBird_News/20109

Posted by: Gazza | Apr 12 2022 0:57 utc | 180

For Christ’s sake change the format of this comment section to something with threads where one line of argument can be pursued. Here we have one disconnected comment after another. It is maddening. Look at unz.com for example. This is the worst I’ve seen.
Posted by: Saggy | Apr 12 2022 0:33 utc | 169

The format isn’t ideal, and it doesn’t help matters when the site owner deletes troll comments, which results in renumbering them all, but until the site owner has enough funds to build or contract out for a more supple format and manpower to monitor it thoughtfully, I’ll be content, even happy, with what’s here. After all, it’s the content that matters most, and ctrl-f continues to work miracles.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 12 2022 0:58 utc | 181

@b
I’m glad you brought up the nazification of the SBU. A little-known fact… From 2014-16, Yuri Michalchyshyn was the SBU head of “strategy and analysis,” and a direct adviser to two SBU heads, “conducting operational information and developing proposals for operational measures,” according to the Ukrainian outlet dnsnews.
Michalchyshyn also founded the Institute for the Study of Joseph Goebbels, and is a skinhead, now fighting for Azov.
I can’t think of a more evil appointment anywhere in the “west,” but he never got much attention.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 12 2022 0:59 utc | 182

A French Le Figaro reporter, who visited the Ukraine, has revealed that “former” US military officers are actually in charge of the so-called “international volunteers” (AKA mercenaries). A US Iraq War veteran in charge of the mercenaries freely admitted this to him. You can watch this very important video report here (with translations from French to English):
https://southfront.org/in-video-french-journalist-confirmed-us-officers-command-foreign-militants-in-ukraine/

Posted by: Nate | Apr 12 2022 1:03 utc | 183

@ comment #7

This is what is left of blockpost 29 after few days of bombing barages:
“>https://t.me/milinfolive/80928

When opening the link, I get a blurred image with notice “media is too big,” as frequently happens. Do I need to download Telegram for this to work? I don’t seem to be able to update anything since my Ubuntu 19.04 library functions malfunctioned about 1 1/2 years ago.

Posted by: bjk | Apr 12 2022 1:06 utc | 184

Likely they were scafing the last of turkish hash that the mercenaries from Idlib brought with them.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 12 2022 0:25 utc | 167
***
Hahahahaha! It made them paranoid!
However, as quoted immediately after by @Aleph_Null | Apr 12 2022 0:04 utc | 158:
“The victims have respiratory failure, vestibulo-atactic syndrome.”
Now that’s a genuine diagnosis. Perhaps “attack” was an autocorrect (autocorrupt) artifact; the correct name means loss of sense of balance. Poor Nazi monsters, symptoms include “headache, dizziness, nausea, nervous reactions of the eye and its environment”, until complete immobilization.
They’ll for once experience the bad trip that they in fact are, and wake in an interrogation cell. Happy De-Nazification, Azovs!

Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 12 2022 1:09 utc | 185

Dr. George @77
I came across a joke that’s been making the rounds of the Russian military some time ago;
“We accepted Napoleon’s invitation to visit Paris. We accepted Hitler’s invitation to visit Berlin. We have not yet received, but will not refuse, NATO’s invitation to visit London.”
Thanks for the report and the links, b.

Posted by: robjira | Apr 12 2022 1:18 utc | 186

@ karlof1 148
Thanks for highlighting Jacques Baud’s essay “The Military Situation in the Ukraine.” So good to read he shone a laser on the conflict in Yemen – the worst humanitarian disaster and western eyes remain wide shut.
“We stand for Ukraine” bray politicos with displays of lapel Ukie flags. Banks are raising funds, their website banners raised high for Ukraine.
Who stands for Yemen? The forgotten war.
And understandably while our focus is on the military front in Ukraine, we ignore at our peril the financial war and productive destruction arising from western sanctions on Russia.
It is projected that food insecurity and shortages of basics in the next 6-9 months will be in full view; touching not just the under-privileged.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 12 2022 1:20 utc | 187

Thanks Roger @ 172 for your post. It might be worth your while tweaking it a bit (the last major paragraph about Nuland, Blinken and their family connections to Ukraine especially) and maybe offering it to B to repost ATL at MoA as a summary? If not, maybe offer it to Mark Chapman at The New Kremlin Stooge for reposting?

Posted by: Jen | Apr 12 2022 1:20 utc | 188

Aleph Null @ 158, Vintage Red @ 180:
I guess being cooped up together in cramped conditions and breathing stale air (and perhaps not being able to open any windows – if there are any) can do that to people.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 12 2022 1:25 utc | 189

Roger | Apr 12 2022 0:47 utc | 172
That is a good write up of the present.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2022 1:33 utc | 190

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 11 2022 17:02 utc | 9
As long as the U.S. and Israel are not directly threatened by ISIS and Nazis, these will be used as a cudgel and milked indefinitely to sow chaos and destruction on nations still resisting the Empire’s authority.
Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 11 2022 17:11 utc | 11
…Or, six unsavory degrees of separation.
Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 12 2022 0:36 utc | 171
Can you use Ze for Zelensky and reserve the Z for the Russian side operations? It just doesn’t feel right to see Z used for the Ukie side. (see 4th, 7th and last paragraphs of my comment @30). Thanks.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 12 2022 1:37 utc | 191

Re: Telegram text translation
Richard Steven Hack mentioned copying Telegram posts and translating them elsewhere.
On your mobile, go to Settings -> Language and enable “Show translate button”.
Then, click on the timestamp of any TG post and select “Translate”.
Fair warning: this feature uses Google services.

Posted by: rrramirezzz | Apr 12 2022 1:37 utc | 192

Nate | Apr 12 2022 1:03 utc | 178
I doubt they are “former” US officers. Perhaps expendable but not former.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2022 1:39 utc | 193

@ Paul Spencer | Apr 11 2022 20:09 utc | 74
thanks paul… i guess we will see who is in the drivers seat in the usa system of things soon enough… it seems chaotic to me, so my take is too many cooks in the kitchen… as a consequence – i don’t know who the cook is…
@ WJ | Apr 11 2022 21:14 utc | 94
this is much as i see it here too.. thanks for stating all that.. i just don’t see the end game here, or only in terms of it being a very long ways out… as @karlof1 notes in the commentary from lavrov – this is going to take some time to work out… as for the battle front – that might be of a shorter duration, but as others have noted, nato and the west are not going to back down.. the question is how will they ramp up? i take some guidance from the dynamic that happened in syria and is still ongoing..
@ jen and @ peter au…. i signed up for rogers posts a few weeks ago… i recommend that too…
some music – keith jarrett -answer me

Posted by: james | Apr 12 2022 1:39 utc | 194

I guess being cooped up together in cramped conditions and breathing stale air (and perhaps not being able to open any windows – if there are any) can do that to people.
Posted by: Jen | Apr 12 2022 1:25 utc | 184
***
“Pit” fever. Yet another for the diagnosis codes. Self-inflicted.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 12 2022 1:45 utc | 195

@171
I’m not even sure Z is a practicing Jew.
Kapo sounds about right though
.
He IS working under the threat of SS inflicted removal.
And if he is removed, and sent back to the barracks,
his countrymen will kill him.
So he has no choice but to continue,
unless he is whisked away to a NATO country.
I just don’t see the logic of “but he’s a Jew” as an argument.
As if there were never any collaborators, ever.
But that’s why I try not to argue these things, unless pressed.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Apr 12 2022 1:49 utc | 196

@karlof1,
In general thanks for your posting on all these threads. You have a deep knowledge of Russian diplomacy. I agree. Lavrov doesn’t do slip of the tongue. I don’t take this to mean Russia will make war against the US everywhere. I take his meaning to be more subtle about the general undermining of the empire’s status. As well as a reminder that the empire had plenty of chances to settle the current situation (and many others) in discussion. I think Lavrov knows that the empire is a lumbering beast that’s past its prime. There is no need to pummel it, just knock it off balance and it will fall on its own. Or, someone finally pointed out that the emperor has no clothes.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 12 2022 2:01 utc | 197

@ karlof1 160
Kempe, the President and Chief Executive Officer of the Atlantic, is a loser who is unhappy because the fat-ass Arab dictators — AKA “Mideast government officials” — are unhappy, hardly a sign of not being ready for “a new world order.” . . .”In the Middle East, countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE that were once our closest allies now are hedging their bets.” . . Well it’s tough. They will have to live with it. There are hundreds of real countries (not fiefdoms) in the world which have no problem with the fall of the US, as we see in recent UNGA votes. Oh, Kempe didn’t mention Israel, it’s in the the Middle East too. . . Oh well, next time.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 12 2022 2:01 utc | 198

“I hope he is right.” Me too, very very much so… but, I’m not convinced at all.

Posted by: Pnyx | Apr 12 2022 2:06 utc | 199

The Russian Federation is obviously going to do whatever it takes (SERIOUSLY) to keep the Ukraine neutral (out of NATO). Fulls stop. And everybody knows this. The really big issue is that the Russian Federation will do the same to keep Finland (and probably Sweden, which is quite vulnerable) neutral (out of NATO). The Ukraine is merely the warm-up. Fasten your seat belts.

Posted by: blues | Apr 12 2022 2:14 utc | 200