Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 27, 2022

Politico: "Germany approves tank sales to Ukraine, bowing to pressure"

Did Germany really decide to deliver tanks to the Ukraine?

The German government said Tuesday it will deliver anti-aircraft tanks to Ukraine after facing strong pressure at home and abroad to abandon its reluctance to supply heavy weapons to Kyiv.

The decision to provide the “Gepard” tanks, which come from German defense industry stocks, was made at a closed-door government meeting on Monday, Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht told reporters at a Ukraine security conference at a U.S. airbase in Ramstein, Germany. There was no immediate information on how many tanks Germany would deliver.

The announcement marks a notable shift for Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who as recently as last week was still ruling out sending German tanks to Ukraine, insisting it would make more sense for Eastern NATO countries to give Kyiv old Soviet-era tanks already familiar to the Ukrainian military. Scholz promised Germany would then send those countries replacement German tanks.

I find it amusing how many misunderstand this move. First off - the Gepard (Cheetah) is not a tank as the turret has very little protective armor.


It is a short range (5 km / 3 miles) anti-air system on a tank chassis useful against helicopters, drones and low flying planes.

That Scholz decided to offer these, instead of real tanks or armored infantry carriers as the U.S. and the camouflage-Green party demanded, is a nice way out. It guarantees that the Ukrainians will not be able to use them before the war is over.

The Gepard system with its two 35mm cannons is more than 50 years old but has been upgraded two or three times. The Germany army retired their last one of these in 2010. They have since been held in storage.

I remember them well from my time in the Bundeswehr. While my primary training was as a gunner on a real tank, the Leopard 1A3, two people I knew were trained as gunners for the Gepard. There was a huge difference though. It took 6 months of training to become a reasonably good tank gunner. It took 12 month, including hundreds of hours in a simulator, to become a gunner on a Gepard. The commander role required even more training.

The system was excellent for its time but also really complicate. The two radars have various modes for different purposes. One would better use the right one or risk to attract explosive countermeasures. The startup of the turret systems and the handling of their various error modes that could occur were not easy to handle. The tank chassis is also more complicate than the original one. It has an additional motor which powers five electric generators, two Metadyne rotary transformers and a flywheel to handle the extraordinary fast movements of the turret (2.5 sec for a 360°turn).

There are probably less than ten people in the current Bundeswehr who still know how to operate and maintain a Gepard. There is thus little chance to find German crews for them.

If the Ukrainians really want to use these outdated systems they will have to train fresh crews for at least a year. Otherwise those guns will be ineffective and of little use.

My hunch though is that none of these will ever be delivered. The Swiss, who manufactured the cannons and their ammunition, have seen to that:

Neutral Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft tanks that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said on Tuesday.

Germany earlier announced its first delivery of heavy weapons to Ukraine to help it fend off Russian attacks following weeks of pressure at home and abroad to do so.

The Swiss State Secretariat for Economic Affairs (SECO) confirmed a report by broadcaster SRF that it had blocked Germany from sending munitions for the Gepard tank to Ukraine.

Chancellor Scholz likely knew all that. The offer of Gepards is a safe way to relieve the pressure put onto him to send arms to Ukraine. It is an offer of a system that can not be used within the timeframe of the war and for which he can not deliver the necessary specialized ammunition.

Are there still some Lockheed F-104 Starfighter in German storage? If so those flying coffins should be offered next.

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.. I don't know who these are... @299

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 28 2022 10:38 utc | 301

Posted by: Abe | Apr 28 2022 8:59 utc | 277
Not understanding that war is Business will prevent from getting the answer.
In the West pricing of weaponry (and maintenance dont you forget) is usually ten to twenty fold the honest price. High margins "hide" somehow institutional corruption.
Well now you see it.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 28 2022 10:48 utc | 302

Kim | Apr 28 2022 9:42 utc | 288
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 28 2022 10:25 utc | 299

Almost certainly Chechens - I saw beards. Russian troops don't have beards (although 60 days in, maybe they do.) Attitude-wise they sound like Chechens.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 11:25 utc | 303

@ Kim

And again about the railways and the need to cut at least the railway bridges across the Dnieper.

Could be useful for phase 3, Go West

Posted by: La Bastille | Apr 28 2022 11:36 utc | 304

From Russia MoFA Telegram channel...

#Opinion by Russian MFA Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova

Information bomb

During the recent G7 and G20 finance ministers’ meetings, Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland pushed for the exclusion of Russia from global financial institutions and international organisations.

At the same time, Ottawa stepped up its arms deliveries to Ukraine, including the Carl-Gustaf recoilless rifles, used by the Canadian armed forces.

All this is presented as a response to alleged new evidence of atrocities perpetrated by the Russian military. Speaking ahead of the G20 meeting, Chrystia Freeland said: “War crimes have been committed in Ukraine. The evidence that we've seen … is absolutely horrifying.”

This would have looked like a piece of clumsy fake news, if it were not a bloody re-enactment of what happened during World War II.

Eighty years before Bucha, Krakivs'ki Visti – a major Ukrainian-language newspaper in Poland, censored and managed as it was by the Third Reich, published an article on NKVD killers torturing people to death and leaving them lying on Lvov’s streets after the Red Army withdrew from the city (Krakivs'ki Visti, July 6, 1941). The article placed special emphasis on the ethnicity of the victims. On July 8, 1941, it reported that the Bolsheviks executed 1,500 ethnic Ukrainians in Lutsk by firing at them with machine guns. The Nazi Reich accused the internationalist Soviet Union of genocide.

The Krakivs'ki Visti newspaper was well aware of its role in history. In the Ukrainian context, it spread Nazi Germany’s propaganda around the world. This is what we read in black and white on the front page of its July 6, 1941 edition, in an article titled “Winning instead of crying” (B. Khalit): “Regarding this awful disaster [the pogroms], on the plus side there is the fact that the entire world has learned about these horrible pogroms. Losing tens of thousands of responsible, proactive citizen is very painful. They cannot be replaced. The impact that these pogroms had on propaganda pales in comparison with the losses. However, since these people died simply for being responsible Ukrainians and loving Ukraine more than anything else, we must make sure that did not spill their blood in vain; we must use it to do good… We must use is as moral capital for our people… We now have this opportunity, and a sad one at that, but still an opportunity which we must not miss. The Jewish mafia in all its incarnations, from communist to Masonic, has long removed the word ‘Ukraine’ from the press or done everything possible to denigrate it. This is why, when the name of our nation once again makes headlines in major titles, we cannot miss this opportunity no matter how tragic its context.”

What a flashback! We are witnessing the very same situation right now.

Once again, Ukraine makes headlines, while we face groundless accusations of seeking to “cancel” Ukraine just as they cancel everything Russian. Once again, the Nazis use propaganda and a tragedy to denigrate Russia. Once again, they use this as an “opportunity, no matter how tragic.” They have not produced any evidence, hoping that eliciting an emotional response will suffice. Once again, people’s lives become the collateral damage in the propaganda games to win over public opinion. This is what Nazis always do.

Now for the most important part.

As a major Ukrainian-language Nazi propaganda tool, the Krakivs'ki Visti newspaper had Mikhailo Khomyak, a collaborationist journalist from Ukraine, as its editor.

Apart from his criminal record, there is only one notable fact in his biography. Mikhailo Khomyak was the grandfather of Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s Deputy Prime Minister.

You can now return to the top of the page and read this post one more time with fresh insight.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 11:36 utc | 305

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 28 2022 0:09 utc | 214
All corporations maintain accounts in depository institutions wherever they are licensed to operate--EUR in EU charter banks, CHF in Swiss banks, and so forth. Gazprombank is the "captive" financial services division of one transnational holding company, PJSC Gazprom, whose principal business is not banking. Like General Motors (GM) Financial or GE Capital, Gazprombank manages company capital investments, capital reserves, and risk exposure, including but not limited, to currency fluctuations, settlement or default of customers' accounts, and derivatives contracts.

You're right that EU objection to settlement of EUR-denominated bill in RUB (drawn from their own currency reserves to sell or lend to Gazprom customers) is a malicious pretext. They're fixated on shifting unsustainable EUR forex expenses onto the CBR as well as Gazprom customers exposed to Exchange Rate Mechanism and US Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 28 2022 11:36 utc | 306

It looks to me that Scholz is indeed playing an interesting game. Voicing total support to the US/NATO and increasing military spending to 2% of GDP. Pretending to send heavy weapons to Ukraine, but in reality doing nothing to support Ukraine.

Posted by: KenKam | Apr 28 2022 6:34 utc | 256

Strategic ineptitude. In Poland, we learned it in school, because the oldest preserved piece of Polish literature is a poem from 15th century that was widely copied. It starts with "Serfs live with lords cunningly" (now a proverb, it sounds snappy and funny in the original), and the title, later added, is "Satire on lazy peasants".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 28 2022 11:37 utc | 307

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 28 2022 10:48 utc | 301

My post was intended for people living in illusion that somehow, giving smaller amount of inferior weapon would now improve Ukie's capabilities, when they failed 2 months ago when they had far larger quantities of superior ones + extra capabilities they don't have any more.

"War is a business" is axiom only for western and imperial mindset. For other people (Russia eg.) war is survival. So that business theory is faulted.

As west is finding out today themselves, as this whole "support Ukraine" with crap guns isn't just about selling new weapons but scrambling to handle PR disaster called "NATO/US ally getting obliterated and we are impotent to stop it". It is bad for business when people realize you are not selling substandard product - be it military technology or security/protection guarantees.

Posted by: Abe | Apr 28 2022 11:37 utc | 308

Is this tipping Turkey to the West?

Turkey extradites Hamas members to Israel

Russia's TODO list is starting to grow (Israel and now Turkey)... (I hate Erdogan)

Posted by: Seer | Apr 28 2022 11:38 utc | 309

" are not selling..." should have been " are selling..." in post above

Posted by: Abe | Apr 28 2022 11:39 utc | 310

Latest briefing from the Russian MoD Telegram channel...

Briefing by the Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-launched missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have neutralised 4 military facilities of Ukraine overnight.

The neutralised facilities include 2 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration of the enemy, 2 artillery-missile armament munitions depots near Barvenkovo and Ivanovka.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces have neutralised 67 military facilities of Ukraine over the past 24 hours.

The neutralised facilities include 2 company strongpoints, 2 large artillery-missile armament and fuel depots in Preobrazhenka and Orekhov, as well as 55 manpower and military equipment concentration points of the enemy.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 300 nationalists and up to 40 armoured and motor vehicles.

Missile troops and artillery have performed 408 fire tasks overnight.

The neutralised targets are 18 command posts and 383 manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration points.

Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over Nikolaevka, Lugansk People's Republic.

5 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed near Veselogorovka, Zatishnoe, Novomikhaylovka, Lyubimovka and Kharkov.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the destroyed military equipment includes 142 aircraft, 111 helicopters, 614 unmanned aerial vehicles, 276 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,623 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 299 multiple rocket launchers, 1,146 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,431 special military motor vehicles.

On April 27, at about 23:00 (MSK), the Ukrainian Armed Forces have launched a massive attack using Tochka-U ballistic missiles and multiple rocket launchers at residential areas of the central part of Kherson.

The indiscriminate missile attack launched by the nationalists targeted kindergartens, schools and various social facilities in residential areas near Ushakova avenue.

Russian air defence units have repelled the attack of the Ukrainian troops launched at the residential areas of Kherson.

12 high-powered projectiles of a multiple rocket launcher and 2 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles have been shot down over the city. The fragments of one of the Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles has landed in Shevchenkovsky Park.

The Kiev nationalist regime's indiscriminate attacks on residential areas of Izyum and Kherson are a war crime and a gross violation of international humanitarian law.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 11:40 utc | 311

From Pepe Escobar's Telegram channel...

The German Ministry of Defense recognized the disaster: 60% of the equipment is not combat-ready

“On paper, we have 350 Puma infantry fighting vehicles, 150 can be used. Of the 51 Eurocopter Tiger helicopters, only 9 are combat-ready,” said the head of the Bundeswehr, Christina Lambrecht.

Tell me again how NATO is capable of defeating Russia in a war. The entirety of NATO is precisely in this state of "readiness". And that includes the US. Look up the actual readiness of US forces from audits as compared to what the paper capabilities say.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 11:45 utc | 312

Could this be the beginning of the end?

Russian spy boss reveals Polish plans for Ukraine split

And the hot potato:

According to the Russian data, the actual “tactical objective” of the Polish troops will be reclaiming control of strategic facilities from the Ukrainian National Guard. Poland’s intelligence services are apparently currently searching for “reliable” members of the Ukrainian elite, who would be willing to form a pro-Warsaw counterbalance to the Ukrainian nationalists.

Posted by: Seer | Apr 28 2022 11:46 utc | 313

More from Pepe...


My Persian Gulf moles always deliver.

"Russian oil is flowing to the black market."
Brent is about $105.00 and it would be over $200 a barrel if Russian oil were truly cut off by sanctions.
Iran is selling THREE million barrels a day on the black market transferring the cargo from tanker to tanker in the middle of the night and relabeling it.

So why are the sanctions not really being implemented on oil production?
Because that could trigger the implosion of the 2.5 quadrillion in derivatives - "as Western economies sink under hyper-inflationary pressures."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 11:47 utc | 314

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 11:45 utc | 311

Seems to me that this has all been one big trick played on the EU by the US. Managed to sever the EU<-Russia energy connection and to goad the EU into committing to buy more weapons (US because "NATO"). And we'll hear that the US did manage to get NATO into Ukraine (via Poland land-grab), though w/o Ukraine staying intact (<- minor detail)!

This is likely the best case outcome as it provides (which is necessary) sell-able stories to each country's masses*. Always give your opponent a way out (as Sun Tzu would say), and this goes for diplomatic actions.

* Well, for the Europeans I'm not so certain how they're going to feel good about any such deal. I suppose that's what happens when you get played and cannot admit it.

Posted by: Seer | Apr 28 2022 11:53 utc | 315

Regarding the possible Polish land-grab, if Poland lands more land and people that will mean that it'll require more NatGas. Poland currently appears to have solutions to make up for ditching Russian gas, but just barely. It would appear that they'd struggle to provide an alternative for such an "acquisition." Anyway...

Poland taking on, and in, neo-Nazis, extra administrative burden (how will Western Ukrainians feel about this?), ensuring energy supplies AND pumping up military expenditures doesn't sounds like a lot of fun for the Poles. Careful of what one wishes for?

Posted by: Seer | Apr 28 2022 12:03 utc | 316

Re that RT article on the "Polish land grab"...

It says:

adding that it’s going to be carried out without a NATO mandate, with only volunteer countries taking part.

Warsaw has so far been unable to find any other nations to join its cause, he added. But the Polish authorities aren’t bothered by it all as they’re themselves interested in having less “unnecessary witnesses” to their actions, Naryshkin said.

Despite the announced goal of countering Moscow, the Polish troops are planned to be deployed in parts of Ukraine where they’ll have almost no real chance of engaging Russian forces, he pointed out.

LOL First, the idea that it will be carried out without a NATO mandate means Russia can hit them with no blowback from NATO - assuming NATO sticks to that, which I wouldn't count on if I were Russia.

Second, the notion that they'll not encounter Russian forces is risible. Russia can pound them all day from inside Russia with missiles and when they cross the border with air power. See what happens when the "White Swans" dump several tons of bombs on them.

These idiots are going to get slaughtered. There is also the possibility of a reaction from Belarus or any Russian forces still in Belarus. This would be the perfect opportunity to do what I suggested Russia do earlier - send a column down from Belarus down the Polish border and take Lviv - or at least block the Polish troops. Would depend on how many forces Russia would be willing to send, how long it would take to get there, and what the overall situation was.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 12:20 utc | 317

From Sputnik News Telegram channel... There is now a video of the grenade attacks in Transnistria the other day.

Video of the shelling of the MGB building in Tiraspol, which occurred on Monday, April 25, is published by the Pridnestrovian media.

The car is a gray SsangYong. There are three people in the cabin. All in black, wearing masks.

Grenade launchers were fired at the second floor of the building. In total, three shots were fired, the last of which turned out to be the most powerful, according to @krepostpmr.

It took less than 20 seconds for the unknown to fire at the MGB building.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 12:24 utc | 318

Comment from Rybar Telegram channel... This reflects exactly the situation as estimated by various analysts like Ritter.

DEAR BROTHER Vladlen Tatarsky asked Vecherniy Vladlen ( what version of our offensive in the Izyum direction was. The one where we grind the enemy grouping in battles and wait for the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to become critical, or all this is more like the battles near Rzhev of the 1942 model.

In my opinion, the first option. We grind the enemy grouping, slowly moving forward. If we come across serious resistance, then the troops stop and constant rocket and artillery strikes are inflicted on the enemy's defensive lines.

By the way, this is clearly seen from the losses of the parties. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, being on the defensive, lose at least 7 times more soldiers. The corpses of Ukrainians are littered with all the oporniki and settlements in which they held the defense. Also a bright marker is the Ukrainian segment of the Internet.

Every day we show new killed and captured Vushniks, Ukrainian propaganda in response broadcasts the pederast Arestovich, who threatens to capture Tiraspol in half an hour.

Plus, our progress is not so slow. The front is wide and if somewhere we destroy suitable reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the same place, then the neighbors on the left and right move forward. Approaching Barvenkovo ​​and Yampol.

The main thing now is to destroy enemy artillery. After that, you can safely bypass the defense nodes and bury the Ukrainians holding the defense in them along the forest belts and VOPs.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 12:33 utc | 319

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 12:20 utc | 316

Your opinion noted.

Posted by: Seer | Apr 28 2022 12:35 utc | 320

From Rybar Telegram channel... Seems that even the Portuguese edition of CNN doesn't believe the Bucha fakes...

CNN journalist denied Ukrainian fakes about mass graves near Mariupol

On April 21, the former mayor of Mariupol, Vadim Boychenko, launched a fake about a mass grave in the village of Mangush near Mariupol, where up to 9,000 civilians were allegedly buried by allied forces. Boychenko's words were picked up by Western publications, backing up the version with satellite images from Maxar Technologies, an affiliate of the US Department of Defense.

A week later, following Canadian human rights activist Eva Bartlett ( and RT military correspondent Roman Kosarev (, Boychenko's information was denied even on CNN. The journalist of the Portuguese edition of the publication Bruno de Carvalho ( freely visited Mangush ( portas-de-mariupol-no-ultimo-mes/6269a4e80cf26256cd210348), where he did not find either mass graves or burials of many thousands.

According to de Carvalho, the NM of the DPR does not hide the existence of a cemetery in Mangush and does not interfere with the work of journalists. On the spot, the Portuguese military commander found about 230 separate graves with signed names and surnames, dates of birth and death of the buried Ukrainian citizens and military. A CNN journalist, citing the local administration, claims that burials in Mangush began about a month ago, which again contradicts the Ukrainian myth.

The CNN film crew also visited the cemetery in the village of Stary Krym. As in Mangush, de Carvalho did not find any mass and disorderly burials there.

“The scenario of Mangush was repeated again, but this time we were convinced that people were buried in coffins ... There is no confirmation of mass graves. In front of each grave is a plate with personal data,” writes Bruno de Carvalho.

#Donetsk #Mariupol #Russia #Ukraine #fake

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 12:37 utc | 321

Amazing Polly....Soros, Maxwell, Ukraine, Russia and Soros' foundation in Russia, the ISF.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 28 2022 12:38 utc | 322


“Nemesis knows better.”

No, Nemesis does not. This person has shown with many posts here that they’re a Nazi fellow-traveler, and that’s at best. Nemesis prefers Putin wage war against “the Jews” instead of Nemesis’s own kind.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 28 2022 12:58 utc | 323

“Did you read that essay I linked to you about Germany pre-empting a Soviet Incvasipn into Europe. I never got a comment back from you about that.”

Unbelievable! I’m not sure it’s worth responding to this kind of pollution on Moon but at least one point should be made against this thesis: that from almost day one of his “career” Hitler talked about invading and conquering the Soviet Union.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 28 2022 13:08 utc | 324

to goad the EU into committing to buy more weapons (US because "NATO").

What they will buy them with I know not !!!!! The Covid Scam cost a lot of lucre - UK alone expanded borrowing by $600 billion and now has a Debt Level last seen fighting WW2.

Germany has run up huge liabilities inside KfW......and France is insolvent with its rail system SNCF alone being 10% Government Debt.

If US sells weapons it will be on Israeli Credit Terms - ie. US Congress forgives the loans.

Trussed Lizzie spouts on about Defence Spending hoping Biden will anoint her Johnson's Successor - but she is an airhead accountant (ACMA not ACA) - and UK is bankrupt after Johnson with taxes increased to highest level in 60 years this month.

It is ALL TALK. Nothing will happen. The numbers do not add up.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 28 2022 13:11 utc | 325

Poland taking its “historical” claims of Ukrainian territory is a geopolitical plus for Russia. It solves, to some degree, the question of whether to go all the way or not. But more importantly it will focus the Ukrainian ethno-nationalists on their historical grievances with Poland. It will be a colossal blunder for Poland. Maybe it’s just a temporary plan to repatriate all the ethnic Ukrainians who left for poland and that Europe now refuses to take. Anything more is disastrous.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 28 2022 13:22 utc | 326

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 28 2022 13:11 utc | 326

It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. There's "expectations" and then there's reality. As the other components of any such "deal" that I noted, it's all about shelling out for what will be a "dog" (no offense to dogs- I am a dog owner). I might also add that this might be the last hurrah for the US weapons industry: seeing as hopes for increased sales to Europe will, as you note, run up against an empty safe...

Posted by: Seer | Apr 28 2022 13:25 utc | 327

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 28 2022 10:25 utc | 301

I don't who these are but Putin sure let loose the dogs of war.
Lol,fun times, and hope they order another truck load of Ukrainian ammo !!

Posted by: Kim | Apr 28 2022 13:38 utc | 328

EU is paying Russia $400 million a day just for Gas.
We already know that imput costs are up 30% also.
It must be really eating them up inside,knowing they are paying Putin to destroy their Pet project on their behalf.
It's no wonder they are acting like caged Chimpanzees outta Banana's in Brussels.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 28 2022 13:52 utc | 329

Poland taking on, and in, neo-Nazis, extra administrative burden (how will Western Ukrainians feel about this?), ensuring energy supplies AND pumping up military expenditures doesn't sounds like a lot of fun for the Poles. Careful of what one wishes for?

Posted by: Seer | Apr 28 2022 12:03 utc | 317

People coming up with these scenerious must be smoking the best weed that Mexico produces to come up with ideas such as this. Azov style Nazi Ukrainians hate Poles !!!! Their grandfathers were the ones who were killing Poles in Volhynia with axis and hammers to the tune of around 120,000 people !!! And the "plan" would be that they would go in 'bed" with the Poles today ???? Ha ha ha ... Monty Python episode for sure.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 28 2022 14:16 utc | 330

Posted by: ct | Apr 28 2022 6:41 utc | 259

Thank you! Without noticing, have been assuming that gazprombank was using Russia Central Bank for such exchanging and was unaware of the open market transactions thinking that these things were all barred from Russian access.

So this way neither one of the transacting parties including both Gazprombank and Gazprom end up holding Euros vulnerable to sudden seizure of said currency usually held as vulnerable deposits in various Western institutions.

Frankly, I don't understand why a commodity superpower like Russia hasn't been doing this sort of thing for decades now but that's another issue for another time...

Again, thank you for the clear explanation.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 28 2022 14:17 utc | 331

People coming up with these scenerious must be smoking the best weed that Mexico produces to come up with ideas such as this. Azov style Nazi Ukrainians hate Poles !!!! Their grandfathers were the ones who were killing Poles in Volhynia with axis and hammers to the tune of around 120,000 people !!! And the "plan" would be that they would go in 'bed" with the Poles today ???? Ha ha ha ... Monty Python episode for sure.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 28 2022 14:16 utc | 331

Well, the Azovites hate Jews too, but are willing to use them as a means toward an end. I suspect they could form a purely strategic alliance with the Poles too, settling scores with them after the common enemy is gone.

Fortunately, that common enemy ain't gonna be "gone."

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 28 2022 14:56 utc | 332

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 28 2022 14:17 utc | 332

The decisive factor is whether a foreign entity ends up holding the euros which are sold for rubles on the Moscow Exchange. (Most likely, this foreign entity would be a Chinese bank.) In other words, Gazprombank must buy rubles from a non-Russian bank, so that the euro deposits that Gazprombank receives in a European bank (there is no other way, aside from owning a bank with a European banking license, that Gazprombank can receive payments in euros) are transferred to a non-Russian entity.

It is important to point out that the funds which Gazprombank receives are not shielded from sanctions by being "held in Russia" (as Richard Medhurst has, unfortunately incorrectly, been claiming). There is no way a Russian bank can hold euros independently of the euro-area banking system. Gazprombank can refer to their clients' accounts as "Special K" accounts or whatever all they want. But the euros that they hold on their balance sheet, and which they credit in their internal accounting to these Special K accounts, are simply bank deposits in a European correspondent bank, such as for example Deutsche Bank. These funds can be confiscated from Gazprombank with a keystroke, at any moment.

If what I described in the first paragraph is not what happens behind the scenes, and immediately after receiving the euros, the hot potato remains in Russian hands. I have to assume that the Russians aren't stupid enough to do this, but there's no way to be sure, especially given the debacle with the 300 billion dollars which were already seized. A worrying sign is that you have both Russian and non-Russian observers remarking that the euro and dollar inflows from oil and gas sales (and the resulting current account surplus) present an opportunity to "build up reserves". I've for example heard Alexander Mercouris and Alex Christoforou, who are great on many things but a disaster on all economic matters, say this a number of times.

They don't seem to understand that what building up reserves actually means is keeping funds in European and American banks (or holding euro- or dollar-denominated bonds), just as the Central Bank of Russia did. This is of course precisely what the West wants Russia to do, since they will just steal those funds back whenever they feel the time is ripe to do so. It's pretty remarkable, but it seems that even after what happened to the Central Bank of Russia's reserves, it has not actually registered with these people that for Russia to keep any funds whatsoever in the Western banking system is to beg to have that money stolen. Ironically these are the same people who said this was a "wake-up call" to other countries who might run afoul of Washington of Brussels.

Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 28 2022 15:33 utc | 333

@ Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 11:36 utc | 306

Absolute dynamite from Zakharova. Thanks so much for all your work conveying gems like this. I wonder if Zakharova every heard Paul Harvey's old "now you know: the rest of the story!"

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2022 16:33 utc | 334

EU is paying Russia $400 million a day just for Gas.

I think it is at least twice that

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 28 2022 18:17 utc | 335

Reply to MarkU @160:
You claim that Russia cannot defeat NATO in a conventional war and I say exactly the opposite. They are countries in this world that do not make idle threats. They include Russia, China and Iran.

Russia has the means to destroy all of Europe and those sitting duck USA ships,just sitting at sea with missiles, air power and submarines etc..
The other facts:
1. Why does your superpower say repeatedly that you are not going to fight Russia? Hmnn!

2. Why does your superpower go all over the world threatening and bullying others to join them?

3. The sanctions, even against individual Russians and the criminal thieving of Russian wealth,and the economic war is actually the last gasp of the shortest empire in human history. Is it working?
4. These armaments sent by the West will make a difference or is it because, at this time,they have no other choice?
5. Were the railway lines needed for this supposed "heavy equipment" actually blown up by the Russians or are we being fooled?
6. Yesterday, Putin told you that if you go too far, you will feel lightning strikes that none of you have, and incapable of achieving for years to come.

I will add that China does not have the constraints that Russia has in this war,where many identify as Russians, and America trained them to hide behind civilians. Months ago, they made that very claim of teaching the ukies guerrilla warfare they learned from ISIS.
China will destroy every single US/NATO warship off the China coast,and North Korea would not even be allowed to participate.

All the Zion led white West has is threats, and that really is for you. Please tell me what evidence you have to back up your claim that Russia cannot defeat NATO!
P.S. This site is probably the most accurate with insight, thanks to B, but allows a lot of people with differing views. Overall, it is a good exercise when you have to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Posted by: Karl luck | Apr 29 2022 3:28 utc | 336

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 28 2022 12:20 utc | 318
As I have posted weeks ago, Belarus will have no choice but to take pre-emptively Lutsk and Rovno oblasts or get itself in jeopardy from the south.
Hungary will make a move too in order to protect hungarian speaking people in transkarpathia. Slovakia? Romania?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 29 2022 10:26 utc | 337

okl-0[m iol

Posted by: jasmin | Apr 30 2022 11:12 utc | 338

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