Librul Frenzy Over Musk Buying Twitter

April 15, 2022

In summer 2013 the Washington Post company and its publications were bought by the multi-billionaire Jeff Bezos, the owner of Amazon:

Bezos, whose entrepreneurship has made him one of the world’s richest men, will pay $250 million in cash for The Post and affiliated publications to The Washington Post Co., which owns the newspaper and other businesses.

The Post has since consistently promoted low taxes for billionaires:

Opinion: Think twice before changing the tax rules to soak billionaires

Yesterday Elon Musk, also a multi-billionaire, launched a hostile takeover of the messenger service Twitter. He claims he wants to do that to allow for more 'free speech'.

Twitter has been criticized on the left and right for suppressing certain voices and information. It is seemingly directed by the mainstream 'liberul' view of the world that is currently promoting a war against Russia.

The reasoning it has recently given for kicking Scott Ritter and Pepe Escobar as well as other well known writers from its service make otherwise no sense.

Musk's offer threw the mainstream pro-war 'liberuls' as well as their neo-conservatives allies into a frenzy.

Without a hint of irony a Washington Post writer opined against Musk's takeover offer:

Opinion: Elon Musk’s Twitter takeover bid is ‘peak billionaire’

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What does it mean when a billionaire can almost single-handedly swoop in and eat up this sort of communications platform? The easy answer is nothing good.

Yeah. Just ask Jeff Bezos or any Washington Post reader, or Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook and WhatsUp users, or the billionaires who own Google and Youtube. They all are system errors of capitalism. They should not exist. Tax codes should be designed to eliminate them.

Warmongers like Max Boot are especially fearful that some communication channel may become less censored and allow people who oppose his positions:

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I am frightened by the impact on society and politics if Elon Musk acquires Twitter. He seems to believe that on social media anything goes. For democracy to survive, we need more content moderation, not less.

In his own Washington Post column Boot explains what kind of content he wants to have censored:

Political extremists dominate social media, [social psychologist Jonathan Haidt of New York University] says. A survey in 2017-2018 found that 70 percent of those called progressive activists had shared political content over the previous year, while the far right was the second-most prolific, at 56 percent. Most normal people don’t post any political content at all, but they are shaped by what they see from the extremes. “Recent academic studies suggest,” Haidt writes, “that social media is indeed corrosive to trust in governments, news media, and people and institutions in general. … Social media amplifies political polarization; foments populism, especially right-wing populism; and is associated with the spread of misinformation.”

"Why isn't everyone as docile as 'normal people'? Why would anyone ever doubt 'governments, news media and people and institutions in general'? Why is anyone criticizing me? THIS CAN NOT BE ALLOWED!"

I myself, by the way, currently get emails from Twitter on a daily basis. These are provoked by snitches who do not like me to point out facts or to debunk war propaganda:

Hello,

Twitter is required by German law to provide notice to users who are reported by people from Germany via the Network Enforcement Act reporting flow.

We have received a complaint regarding your account, @MoonofA, for the following content:

Tweet ID: 1510635534321860611
Tweet Text: Mar 30: Ru troops leave Bucha Mar 31: Mayor of Bucha announces town 'liberated', makes no mention of atrocities. [url] Apr 1/2: Azov Nazis enter Bucha [url] Apr 3: Ukr MinDef publishes video of 'Russian' atrocities [url] [media]

We have investigated the reported content and have found that it is not subject to removal under the Twitter Rules (https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311) or German law.

Sincerely,

Twitter

I have yet to get banned by Twitter but expect that to happen anytime. Max Boot would certainly applaud it.

Posted by b on April 15, 2022 at 15:12 UTC | Permalink

Comments

@Aleph_Null # 101

There’s no point in engaging with such egregiously inarticulate scientific foolishness.

Again you excel at describing the Climate Cultists – really uneducated yet incredibly pompous morons.

Joseph Fourier is a “Climate Cultist” to your gang

As expected, you Climate Cultists have a reading comprehension level below that of a sewer rat. Plus you love to engage in strawmen arguments, since you lack the intellect and discipline to form a coherent thought. You just parrot idiot talking points and insult those that see through your vile pretensions.

Clearly: no intelligent discussion is possible here. Not with your ilk.

Exactly, you should take your words to heart. You remind me of that famous quote from “A Fish Called Wanda”, to which I’ll make a minor adjustment: Alpeh: “Apes don’t read science.” Wanda: “Yes, they do, Aleph, they just don’t understand it.”

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 6:30 utc | 101

@ CalDre | Apr 16 2022 6:30 utc | 103
I’m sure your eloquence is persuading many here to the compelling cause of climate denialism. I find you a real asset to the site, CalDre.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 16 2022 6:57 utc | 102

@ b – “They all are system errors of capitalism. They should not exist.”
No, the oligarchs are not system errors, they are exactly system products. True, they should not exist, but that is not because capitalism has failed. It is because the countervailing mechanisms of the other systems have failed to counterbalance the system of capitalism.
Capitalism is a system of theft, purely and simply, and nothing other than that. It results in oligarchs. It tends toward the complete monopoly control of everything by one entity.
We in the west live in a realm where capitalism has achieved dominance over other systems. But the greater world outside of our own realm consists of other systems, the judicious mixture of the capitalist protocol with the socialist protocol.
I suspect that both systems are capable of reaching an unhelpful state, if left untrammeled. But capitalism today shows clearly that this is certainly true of itself.
Capitalism is only good for certain things – I leave it to others to say what these are – and must be balanced by other things from other systems of social organization.
We in the west are the living proof (as Russia was before us) that capitalism unrestrained ends in horror.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 16 2022 7:19 utc | 103

@Aleph_Null # 104
Why Aleph, I am just speaking to you in your language. Since you cannot grasp even the very basics of science and excel in propaganda and denunciation, I reciprocate in kind.
“Climate denialism”, that’s funny coming from a Climate Cultist. Enjoy your cold shower and walking to work – I’m sure you do that, right, to save the environment? Or are you an utter hypocrite aside from being an ignorant NPC shouting slogans and denouncing those who are actually educated and rational? Is it jealousy?

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 7:33 utc | 104

Sorry, this is getting way, way off-topic now… It just occurred to me how often the “reading comprehension” of contributors is called into question, in forums like this. Kind of silly, really.
It’s actually a big deal, for me. Not that long ago, I witnessed my own father’s severe cognitive decline. I’m sure this kind of experience is common with people of my approximate vintage. Dad still liked to read, but the only way he got through any book was by repositioning the bookmark. He had zero recollection of what he’d just read, each time he closed the book. And (I could tell) he knew it!
Senator Diane Feinstein’s cognitive decline has been hitting the front page of the SF Chronicle. The awareness lights are seriously dimming for her, now that her husband has predeceased her. Pretty weird: having an utter, infamous incompetent as one of my senators.
Because I watched it happen to my Dad, and also to my dearest mentor of the artist’s trade, I’m worried about losing it. You bet. I’m certainly not the sharp tack I was in my misspent youth. They say chess players peak in their 20’s. So my personal prophylactic therapy — the mind is a muscle: use it or lose it — is that exact challenge: “reading comprehension”. The tougher the sledding, the better for my synapses.
My reading selections range all over the place, from quantum physics to neoplatonic mysticism. Because I find this stuff interesting, but also to keep my mind alive, to keep exercising, in case I find something I need to think about, someday. If, like me, you’re into challenging fiction, George Elliot is highly recommended. You expect a thoughtful writer to give something back to careful readers.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 16 2022 7:34 utc | 105

@Grieved # 105

No, the oligarchs are not system errors, they are exactly system products.

The oligarchs existed long before capitalism. And capitalism does not produce oligarchs any more than religion produces a Pope – i.e. there are many variants, capitalism basically means private ownership in a free market and oligarchy is fundamentally contradictory to capitalism as oligarchy destroys free markets.

Capitalism is a system of theft, purely and simply, and nothing other than that.

LOL. You know you can start a coop where every member owns the enterprise and nobody profits, all in a capitalist system.

We in the west live in a realm where capitalism has achieved dominance over other systems. But the greater world outside of our own realm consists of other systems, the judicious mixture of the capitalist protocol with the socialist protocol.

And socialism does not have oligarchs? LMAO.

But capitalism today shows clearly that this is certainly true of itself.

There really isn’t a pure capitalist system anywhere, every economy is a mix of private ownership and public ownership (corrupted even further by crony capitalism) and very few markets are “free” ones. Capitalism works in free markets, where markets are concentrated national socialism is superior to private (oligarchic) ownership. But that does not mean the lawyer, plumber, landscaper or cook shouldn’t be able to have their own business – which is … capitalism.

We in the west are the living proof (as Russia was before us) that capitalism unrestrained ends in horror.

That’s true of every political, economic or social system. And that is why the oligarchs distract the sheep with useless nonsense like sports and trivia – the less the people pay attention to the things that matter, the more those who do pay attention (and the oligarchs certainly do) can exploit their nonfeasance.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 7:51 utc | 106

Poison Pill: Twitter’s Board of Directors Adopts Plan to Block Elon Musk’s Buyout Offer https://sputniknews.com/20220415/twitters-board-of-directors-adopts-plan-to-block-elon-musks-buyout-offer-1094795880.html

The poison pill plan was given a green light just a day after Elon Musk slammed possible action by Twitter’s Board of Directors against a potentual takeover bid, saying it “would be utterly indefensible not to put this offer to a shareholder vote.” It was revealed earlier this month that Musk now holds a 9 percent stake in Twitter, thus becoming the largest shareholder. The Tesla CEO has, however, refused to have a seat on the company’s board.
As a board member, Elon would have been restricted from purchasing more than a 15 percent share of ownership.
Musk made the takeover bid on Wednesday in a letter to the board of Twitter, offering $54.20 per share.

الوليد بن طلال
@Alwaleed_Talal
I don’t believe that the proposed offer by @elonmusk ($54.20) comes close to the intrinsic value of @Twitter given its growth prospects.
Being one of the largest & long-term shareholders of Twitter, @Kingdom_KHC & I reject this offer.

The plot thickens:‘This is Not Over’ Elon Musk Turns to Investors After Twitter Takes the Poison Pill – 16.04.2022, Sputnik International https://sputniknews.com/20220416/this-is-not-over-elon-musk-turns-to-investors-after-twitter-takes-the-poison-pill-1094803406.html

Musk could also come back to Twitter with a new offer. On Thursday, he offered to buy Twitter at $54.20 a share. Shares had been trading at around $45. Whether he will trump that offer or find new partners still remains unknown. Musk currently owns 9.1% of Twitter.
Following Musk’s first attempt to up his share of Twitter from 9.1% to 15%, Twitter adopted a poison pill to fend off the purchase. The measure would trigger a flood of new shares if Musk were to reach the 15% threshold.
However, it is unknown if the poison pill will be able to stop others from securing 15% of the company. There is a scenario where another entity could partner with Musk to force Twitter’s hand through a sale, overhaul in the executive ranks, or a drive fan overhaul of the company.
Even though Twitter has announced the poison pill, they have not yet filed it with the SEC. Without the SEC filing, it is unknown if the measure will prevent other investors from buying more than a 15% stake in the company.

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 16 2022 7:52 utc | 107

Is it jealousy?
Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 7:33 utc | 106
You sure hit the nail on the head there. If only I could truly excel in prose expression, like eminent CalDre, here.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 16 2022 7:53 utc | 108

@Laurence # 109
Poison pills are just a speed bump, it buys the board some time to respond and that’s about it. Only one poison pill has ever been “activated” and an endless stream of companies who enacted poison pills have succumbed to a hostile takeover bid. End of the day, the board of directors owes its shareholders fiduciary duties, and unless they want to be liable for billions of dollars in shareholder losses, they will, eventually, terminate the pill and sell the company.
But they will use the extra time the pill buys them to find a “White knight”, i.e., some other deep pocket, like Jeff Bozo, to beat Musk’s offer and continue imposing ever greater censorship.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 8:04 utc | 109

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 8:04 utc | 111
Tx for that bit of color commentary. However `even greater censorship’ is not an element of Twitter’s `intrinsic’ value. Current management has got to go. A convention of Neoliberals and Neoconservatives exchanging all good gifts is not a viable business model.

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 16 2022 9:01 utc | 110

I don’t know what you are. You’re some crazy Trot Twat who has gathered up a bunch of rightwing crap and stuck it onto your Twatskyism.
Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Apr 16 2022 9:09 utc | 118
One workable theory (“Trot Twat” is sweet — I might steal that one). My own thinking is that CalDre is simply an insult machine, furiously spewing absurd ad hominems more quickly than the next insult machine. Kinda the way things go in most other forums, where it’s impossible to find intelligent discussion.
Or, as I previously noted: a real asset. A jack of all assets!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 16 2022 9:26 utc | 111

You have Musk. We have Prince Charles.
https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/04/16/the-oaken-roots-of-truth/

Posted by: John Goss | Apr 16 2022 10:09 utc | 112

Sometime ago when I was a btl commenter on the Guardian as I was beginning to get censored and had regular email exchanges with the mods – they were humans then before they were replaced with a ‘team’ in a ‘different building’ – I posited that what was happening with their settlers btl, would be perpetrated on the ‘web’ as soon as the tools were available.
As a simplification I offered the conquest of the American West – by land grabber cowboys and settlers by destroying the natural flora and particularly fauna, buffalo & natives, and the ‘Wild West’ before the invention of razor wire – which enabled fencing in of cattle and agriculture from the same cattle.
Which resulted in the end of the Go West and grab what you can attitude and allowed the big Ranchers to move in.
They were than able to also grab all the farm lands as it was turned into the dustbowl etc.
The Web was always like that – there was a attempt to create great ranches to capture new users , remember Murdochs Delphi? A market place and high st 😆.
Or AOL and any number of variations – but the web was not/ is not easy to control even if it is more so than the Internet it sits on is.
So the SocialMedia grabs of power were made based on ideas developed at colleges to refine the users so they would flock to it.
I don’t belong toTwitter or FB or Instagratification or tiktalk or …
They are useful for picking up smoke signals from great sources via the web and do have a greater reach than a blog but …
But they are now in the final stages of being closed and controlled.
Why Musk wants Tawatter I don’t know – he has his own satellite Internet and is also of the same breed as the rest of the supposed smart silicokids. He cannot possibly be any more indy than any other oligarch of tech controlled through the NSA/GCHQ.
I do know he has become rich on some crazy tulip Bubble like frenzy – electric vehicles. But he was not long ago selling flame throwers or giving them away! I lost any semblance for respect of his story when he waded into the cave rescue of Thai kids with his insanity on Twitter.
Fuck em all , the latest by and the short and the tall , their Empire is dead and is now in a tail spin and smoke as it heads back to Earth after centuries of flying high.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 16 2022 12:09 utc | 113

From business point of view, company takeover should reflect either a speculation that the stock will rise, or some plan to increase the company value.
Harassment and banning users may foster competition, I guess the largest “threat” is from Republicans in USA (Trumpists?) and libertarians who could create a similar platforms with millions of users. Small groups of people are not a threat, after all they can have blogs like this one, big platforms allow them to gain more users and supporters while a small platforms boxes them in a “ghetto” (Excellent, as a character from Simpsons would say). An example like that could spread, for example, ca. 50% of the French are disgruntled with the system, and they may have similar problems to Trumpists in USA.
German law generating Twitter e-mails to b may have noble/laudable motivations, e.g. social networks can be use to smear and bully individuals, even on the level of high school kids (or younger?). If I were a money grubbing manager in Twitter, I would have a bot “reviewing” complaints that could produce e-mails like the one b showed, but a “careful review” of a complaint would require a fee, someone in the company has to spend paid time. Folks unsatisfied with the outcome could pay a higher fee for a “very careful review” etc. After all, if someone hurts you, you may need to pay a LOT to get satisfaction, thousands of dollars/euros.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 16 2022 12:19 utc | 114

Some sources:
Two videos on Elon Musk buying Twitter by Tucker Carlson:

Tucker: This could break the Democratic Party – April 13, 2022
Tucker: Elon Musk is putting everything on the line – April 13, 2022

I have been collecting sources on media control on my research wiki for the last five years:

Totalitarian Media Regime – ACLOS

I also ask you to read and distribute this pamphlet by my late friend Jon Hellevig:

EU’s Infowar On Russia – Putting In Place A Totalitarian Media Regime And Speech Control – Jon Hellevig, December 16, 2016

You can download the PDF. We even made a small number of printed copies, but I believe they are all gone now.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 16 2022 12:23 utc | 115

As to China, I view it as national socialist, not Communist. There’s really nothing Communist about it.
[snip]
Posted by: CalDre | Apr 15 2022 19:17 utc | 42

reante, is that you? Same pseudo-Trotskyist bulldung.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 16 2022 12:43 utc | 116

“Blacklisting is good”, we hear.
They believe that destroying democracy in the name of saving it is good.
A quote:

…in Sophocles’ play Antigone that has been echoed by many writers over the centuries: “Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.” In the context of Antigone what was meant is that evil appears as good to those whom “the gods” will lead to destruction.

Count on it, everyone believes that they are good.
Therefore, whatever they do is good.
ISIS believes it,
Israel believes it,
al Qaeda believes it,
Google believes it,
billionaires believe it,
presstitues believe it,
even Nazis in Ukraine believe it.

Posted by: librul | Apr 16 2022 12:54 utc | 117

Did anyone post this reminder yet?
MSNBC Blast From The Past: It’s Our Job To Control How People Think… Not Elon Musk’s

Posted by: librul | Apr 16 2022 13:13 utc | 118

“Listen up, useful idiots…”
https://twitter.com/jmbenson1491/status/1412659997968900098

Posted by: librul | Apr 16 2022 13:17 utc | 119

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 16 2022 7:53 utc | 110
https://e360.yale.edu/features/geoengineer-the-planet-more-scientists-now-say-it-must-be-an-option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_warfare
Things to ponder…..while you’re waiting for the water to rise.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 16 2022 13:30 utc | 120

@ Anne B | Apr 16 2022 13:30 utc | 127
Hi Anne,
Geoengineering has been rising as coherent threat for decades. There’s not much to rival stratospheric SO2. We know it works, sort of, from Earth’s own natural experiment with the 1991 eruption of Mt Pinatubo — after which warming slowed down for a couple of years. The problems with that, or any other method purporting Solar Radiation Management (SRM), are legion. Primarily:
(1) SRM does nothing to stop the ongoing extermination of marine life.
(2) When global affairs get complicated and cooperation breaks down, should an ongoing SRM program suddenly cease, the global, permanent heatwave — essentially the bounce-back — in store for lifeforms on Earth, would be apocalyptic.
Not that anything being totally irrational has ever stymied our dedication to apparent “progress” — I totally expect SO2 SRM (no more blue skies, folks!) to become mankind’s final mistake (after massively futile concrete seawalls).

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 16 2022 14:06 utc | 121

Search on “clear sky flooding” if you are in denial about sea level rise.
Of course, Miami is a shithole (that’s the truth for those of you who get your impression of the place from sitcoms and TV cop shows) so when it becomes something more like Venice then I imagine the crime rates will start to approach a civilized city, or at least get constrained to the remaining streets that you don’t need boats to traverse.
With that said, if you ever wanted to check out the Florida Keys then you should schedule your visit sometime in the next couple years or be prepared to do your touring in a boat and with snorkeling or SCUBA gear.
I do wonder where all of the CIA’s re-homed death squads and head choppers will be evacuated to… doesn’t the Ukraine’s Comedian-in-Chief have gift retirement digs prepared in Miami?

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 16 2022 14:13 utc | 122

Max Blumenthal, in an interview with Scott Ritter and Alastair Crooke said that Twitter is the West’s key forum for hybrid warfare against Russia et al.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMJoRDfRFI&feature=youtu.be
Questions for better informed analysts here: To what extent is Musk’s takeover attempt altruistic (is a benevolent billionaire a thing)? Is his effort endorsed by the CIA (Capitalism’s Invisible Army), which is not only embedded but controls all US media, or will Musk soon be introduced to the facts of life?

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 16 2022 14:26 utc | 123

Obamavirus.
I’ve seen this observation made before about the actual utility of their “products”
integral part of the color revolution technologies. The tech space in general has not produced anything of real value to people in 20 years.
Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 15 2022 17:17 utc | 22

Posted by: Jpc | Apr 16 2022 14:32 utc | 124

@Robert Lindsay 113

Good Lord, is this how Twatskyites really think?

You get from that post that I’m a Trotskyist? Please, back to grade school, reading comprehension is important and you need much, much, much work.

There have been many actually existing Communist governments.

There is a difference between Communism as a doctrine and self-proclaimed “Communist” governments. Just because a political party calls itself “Libertarian”, “Democratic”, “Republican”, “Socialist” or “Communist” doesn’t mean it actuall is that. Doh.
@Robert Lindsay 115

What’s with all these posters with all these bizarro irrational incomprehensible, insensible forms of politics?

Just because you cannot understand something doesn’t mean it’s bizarre or irrational, it probably just means that you are dumb. You think on very simple binary terms, like an NPC really. Once you can think 3-4 levels deeper, we may be able to start to have a discussion, until then, enjoy spouting senseless slogans and your rut of ignorance and arrogant sense of supremacy.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 15:41 utc | 125

@Aleph_Null # 117

My own thinking is that CalDre is simply an insult machine, furiously spewing absurd ad hominems

And that sums up the simpletons of the world, esp. the Leftist ones – because you started with bizarre insults due to my rejection of your Climate Cultism, as that is what simpletons do (never having a real argument, and unwilling to accept anyone doesn’t share your cultish views, you resort to insults and smears to try to “harrass” someone into your cult, at least in public display, and, for some bizarre reason, feel superior for having done so).
In your case, you are so upset I don’t buy into your unscientific, irrational, destructive and, quite frankly, moronic Climate Cult you need to expand your insults to unrelated threads. Sad, really, but such is the life of a dedicated Leftist – smear and defame to “victory”!.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 15:43 utc | 126

b – the change from posting on the ukraine is refreshing! what a relief in fact!! thanks..
Posted by: james | Apr 15 2022 16:46 utc | 18
it really was wasn’t it James?
I was thinking the same thing then the pseudo-intellectual wordsmiths arrived to discuss political theory OT.

Posted by: ld | Apr 16 2022 15:57 utc | 127

@ Doug Hillman | Apr 16 2022 14:26 utc | 129
based on musks viewpoint on bolivia, i think he is either an ignoramus, or he is controlled by the cia – a useful idiot…
Elon Musk on Bolivia: ‘We will coup whoever we want!’
In July(2020), billionaire Elon Musk, a grown man with all the maturity of a rebellious teenager, took to his favourite attention-seeking platform, Twitter, to make known his opinion, not that anybody asked for it, on a proposed economic stimulus package to help soften the blow of the latest crisis of overproduction that the capitalist world is presently reeling from.
“Another government stimulus package is not in the best interests of the people imo,” the sagacious entrepreneur opined. To which another user fired back: “You know what wasn’t in the interests of the people? The US government organising a coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia so you could obtain the lithium there.”
Outraged and well out of his depth, Musk threw his toys out of the pram, exclaiming: “We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it.”

Posted by: james | Apr 16 2022 15:58 utc | 128

@ ld | Apr 16 2022 15:57 utc | 133
hey! good to see you! i agree with you!

Posted by: james | Apr 16 2022 16:02 utc | 129

Elon Musk…where to begin…he’s part of the Disneyland image factory attempting to cover over the shitshow that is capitalism. My first exposure to the Muskrat Pack was via Solar City. it was so exciting to watch the Muskrat Pack ooh and ahh in reverence as Elon explains why the future survival of the planet requires that solar energy use not cut in to the profit margins of existing utilities by any more than 25%.
Bozos and Muskrat and Blumborg and Moredick and Carlos Slime (see NYT) and co bidding to be the “voice of the people”? i’m sure they all agree that “national socialism” is great. no doubt about it.
in the US, political speech is sacred cow tipping and so quickly turns into a mudslinging w/someone like CalDre about who killed Bambi.
In case you haven’t figured it out yet, it was Disney that killed Bambi.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 16:49 utc | 130

@rjb1.5 136

in the US, political speech is sacred cow tipping and so quickly turns into a mudslinging w/someone like CalDre

Leftists are a hoot, you arduously practice the dark arts of slander, insults and sloganeering, all of that now morphing into “cancel culture” which is the next step to the gulags the Leftists pine for to dispose of all those who disagree with their “woke” nonsense. These are all signs of aggressive arrogance tied to woeful intellectual paucity. And then, to top it off, you get “offended” if someone descends to your sewer and responds in kind. I don’t like to visit your sewers, which degrade everyone in them, but if someone slaps me in the face, I will also slap them back. Because that is the only way to stop aggressive bullies from slapping you in the first place.
I get that you don’t like being slapped back, you like to do the slapping and canceling. Sorry, mate, your dystopic religion is not mine – and I will escalate to whatever level you do.
I will leave you with a modified version of an old Polish proverb: “The Liberal cries in pain as he strikes you.”

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 17:09 utc | 131

@rjb1.5 136
As a follow-up, I suppose there is the possibility that you simply did not follow the thread, and hence, I will lay it out for you, and ask if you stick with your assessment that I am to blame for “mudslinging”? (Or possibly I completely misunderstood your comment and you are blaming the others for starting the mudslinging, in which case I apologize for that misunderstanding, perhaps you can set the record straight.)
In a response to a (since deleted) comment which referenced alleged “science denial (climate change is real get over it)”, I wrote that: “Of course it’s real, the climate has been changing ever since Earth was formed. What isn’t real is the attribution to carbon dioxide.”
To that, aside from making some irrelevant comments, “Aleph_Null” wrote, in reference to me: “Cranks exhibit a pathetic, peculiar, pathological need to dwell in the ignorant darkness.”
I made light of that aggression by observing: “You do describe yourself and all the other Climate Cultists quite well, at least we agree on something.” I also wrote, in the same post, that “It’s a long way from spectograms to proving global warming, a long long long long long way.”
To the latter statement, Aleph_Null retorted: “There’s no point in engaging with such egregiously inarticulate scientific foolishness. Joseph Fourier is a “Climate Cultist” to your gang, even though he’s been dead for almost two centuries. Clearly: no intelligent discussion is possible here. Not with your ilk.”
At that point, I responded in kind.
Fact is, this is a regular pattern, it happens all the time, and hence my interpretation of your comment. I always respond on the merits of an issue, and invariably some Leftist (and Rightists too, depending on the forum’s leanings) will commence their screeching bullying efforts. Literally, it is inevitable. Anyone departing from the hive mind is ostracized, belittled, insulted, smeared and denigrated. I don’t find that acceptable, and I learned at a young age to fight back against bullies, that is the only way to stop them from continuing to bully you … and others. While I genuinely disdain engaging in such discourse, there is the bigger picture of “fixing the broken window”.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 17:41 utc | 132

CalDre | Apr 16 2022 17:41 utc | 138
but you didn’t answer the question, who killed Bambi?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 18:00 utc | 133

I remember when Al Jazeera first went on air amid howls of outrage and multiple calls to ban it outright. This abruptly stopped after Rupert Murdoch bought a stake. Now Al Jazeera has forgotten its original “tell both sides of the story” mantra.
Free speech is indivisible, you either have it or you don’t. Reclaim the Net nails its colours to the mast:
“A good sign as to whether there’s free speech is, is someone you don’t like allowed to say something you don’t like? If that is the case then we have free speech,” the billionaire said.
“And it’s damn annoying, when someone you don’t like says something you don’t like. That is a sign of a healthy, functioning, free speech situation.”
https://reclaimthenet.org/twitter-poison-pill-elon-musk/

Posted by: Paul | Apr 16 2022 18:38 utc | 134

CalDre | Apr 16 2022 17:41 utc | 138
you saw thru me. no, i didn’t read what you wrote, after the 1st two comments. impressive originality though. i mean, real light from darkness kind of stuff. my loss. totes. we can’t hear this kind of insight and analysis anywhere else in the billionaire-owned media landscape. i’ll be haunted by what i’ve never read, i’m sure.
is Peter Thiele “right” or “left”? what’s the role of a deep state spook and entrepreneurial hero like Thiele in forming the terms and categories by which Americans think of “left” and “right”? what’s his relationship w/ 1) gays, the logjammin’ republican kind 2) Zuckerberg 3) CIA 4) Facebook 5) Meta 6) In-Q-Tel 7) other?
is the senator (now potus) from MBNA “right” or “left”?
when Zelensky says, “we’ll be the Israel of Europe,” who in the Western media bats an eyelash at such a deranged notion? do you, or do you applaud?
Elon Musk let the cat out of the bag w/his “we coup who we want to” comment. it’s all raping the natives and buffalo killing, since 1492.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 18:45 utc | 135

rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 18:45 utc | 141
“other” meaning the Trump campaign, for one. in case anyone missed his rousing appearance at the Republican convention in 2016, where he gave himself a golden shower of Trump praise, out of his own mouth. because Thiele believes in things!

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 19:02 utc | 136

rjb1.5 #139

but you didn’t answer the question, who killed Bambi?

I agree with you, Disney killed Bambi when it “transitioned” from (largely) wholesome child entertainment to child sex grooming. Which happened after its founder died and the usual “woke” Communists infiltrated it, like they infiltrated the rest of Hollywood and everything else that was once good and wholesome in the US.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 19:35 utc | 137

@CalDre # 143

the usual “woke” Communists infiltrated it, like they infiltrated the rest of Hollywood and everything else that was once good and wholesome in the US

One of the great speeches, though it missed a few layers of the onion, was JFK’s to the NPC in 1961.

The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. …
…
Today no war has been declared–and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
…
… [W]e are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

I’m still not certain if he figured out this conspiracy originated not in Moscow but in the capitals of Europe, before these conspirators of whom he spoke had him assassinated. Ironically, McCarthy, while certainly going overboard at times, tried to subvert the subversion, to expose the conspiracy, and for this the Leftists (“woke” Communists) continue to demonize him today. After all, they love subverting from the shadows – sunlight is anathema to them.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 19:42 utc | 138

CalDre | Apr 16 2022 19:35 utc | 143
let me quote a black fag:
Amerikkka was never anything but Amerikkka to me.
you mean this Disney?
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/409422-russian-trolls-targeted-star-wars-the-last-jedi-online-to-amplify/?rl=1
the same disney that said if you dislike (or are indifferent to) their Aryan “Captain Marvel,” you hate women?
the commies took over disney. right after J Edgar Hoover’s man in Disney, named Walt, died. you are so cute. this money making machine is run by commies. hilarious. this kind of shit is spewed by the exact same people who’d have us believe that archcapitalst Trump is somehow a Putin agent (=commie). adios CalDre. can’t handle the sunburn i’ve already gotten from your hot dog heatlamp.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 19:53 utc | 139

What gender is Bambi? Does it have pronouns?

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 16 2022 20:03 utc | 140

Bemildred | Apr 16 2022 20:03 utc | 146
you liberals! Bambi was such clean wholesome entertainment, especially all the gunfire, something i could really relate to, and you had to ruin it for me! monsters.
the only Disney movie i was allowed to watch as a kid by my John Bircher fundy parents was that wholesome family fun known as “song of the south.” zoopedy doo dah daying to a klan rally. good times.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 20:10 utc | 141

CalDre, you don’t know what a contradiction is.
can something be the world’s biggest entertainment industry, a publicly traded company, AND a commie enterprise to destroy our fetuses and apple pie? at the same time?
it only took 45 or 50 years after Fibbie Walt’s death for “unisex” restrooms to appear in the Disneyverse. what a victory for human rights! they took down “family” and put up “unisex” on some bathroom doors, after decades of heroic struggle, so how long before the full commie takeover at this rate? will the sun burn itself out first? i’m not against unisex bathrooms, but jesus, this stuff is so unimportant in the grand scheme. like this pronoun crap. capitalism is not endangered in the tiniest because wealthier kids in the west get unisex bathrooms in their college dorms or some pwoggie English-speakers insist on calling Latinos “Latinx”. tell them Spanish already uses one pronoun (without gender distinction!) for “her, his, its and their” and watch a very small mind explode. some languages have numerous words for “we”. but, because of capitalist efficiency, modern English is in too much of a hurry to distinguish between “you” the ewe and “you” the flock. helps w/the fleecing, i’m quite sure.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 20:42 utc | 142

@Bemildred # 146
“What gender is Bambi? Does it have pronouns?” If there were to b a remake, the Woke Brigade at Disney would make Bambi gender fluid, and the pronoun will vary by time of day, day of week, week of year, and year of the calendar – to avoid hurting Bambi’s sensitive feelings, you should check for Bambi’s preferred pronoun before using one.
The remade version will also feature a genderless “doctor” deer, who will encourage Bambi to mutilate Bambi’s sexual organs and take hormone therapy treatments because, well, “science”.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 22:32 utc | 143

The remade version will also feature a genderless “doctor” deer, who will encourage Bambi to mutilate Bambi’s sexual organs and take hormone therapy treatments because, well, “science”.
Posted by: CalDre | Apr 16 2022 22:32 utc | 150
For sure, any movie for children featuring animals should periodically zoom in on their sex organs, copulation scenes not necessary but highly recommended. An huge audience of CalDre’s is waiting.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 16 2022 23:33 utc | 144

@Piotr Berman #151
You mistyped “Piotr Berman” as “CalDre”, but I get it, in all your excitement thinking fantasizing about the scenes mistakes like that are bound to happen. Freud referred to it as “projection”.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 17 2022 0:06 utc | 145

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 17 2022 0:06 utc | 152
he probably meant to type CalDre fucking idiot.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 17 2022 0:08 utc | 146

the only Disney movie i was allowed to watch as a kid by my John Bircher fundy parents was that wholesome family fun known as “song of the south.” zoopedy doo dah daying to a klan rally. good times.
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 16 2022 20:10 utc | 147
Sorry for disillusioning you, and my sympathies for your parents, I had some acquaintance with Birchers myself, very annoying.
Communists this and communists that. Worse than the evangelicals.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 17 2022 0:26 utc | 147

@pretzelattack #153

fucking idiot

The projection is loud and strong with this one. Don’t tell me, you’re a Liberal (the depth of your thought gave you away).

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 17 2022 0:32 utc | 148

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 17 2022 0:32 utc | 155
everyone thinks you’re an idiot. you, being an idiot, disagree.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 17 2022 1:06 utc | 149

What with all this prurient interest in Bambi it might not be supererogatory to note that its author, Felix Salten, was also a notorious pornographer (as author of Josefine Mutzenbacher oder Die Geschichte einer Wienerischen Dirne von ihr selbst erzählt). At least we’ll have to take that on faith and Wikipedia, because the very act of reading the novel — which among other things supposedly depicts sex with children — would be a felony offense in the USA. Hmm, maybe that’s why we don’t get to hear anything about Cunter Biden’s laptop? Perhaps the very act of examining its contents without (I imagine) explicit sanction from the Department of Justice, would be a felony offense . . .

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 17 2022 1:15 utc | 150

Bemildred | Apr 17 2022 0:26 utc | 154
i was somewhat joking but the idea of Disney as “wholesome fun”…Americans’ ideas of wholesome, fun, indoctrination, and commies are all Bircher-light, if not straight Birch.
newsflash: bambi and thumper peed in the same bathroom.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 17 2022 1:21 utc | 151

Last Updated: April 16, 2022 15:59 IST
Russia announces space war on Elon Musk’s Starlink satellites, accepts Moskva was attacked.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russia-announces-space-war-on-elon-musks-starlink-satellites-accepts-moskva-was-attacked-articleshow.html
Not sure on authentication of this.
Posted by: Kim | Apr 17 2022 0:42 utc | 113

lol. Next …

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 17 2022 1:37 utc | 152

The battle between the board of social media giant Twitter and the world’s richest person continued Saturday as Elon Musk responded to a post claiming that in light of co-founder Jack Dorsey’s departure, the board of Twitter collectively owns a mere 0.12% of the company’s total shares: https://sputniknews.com/20220416/musk-twitter-boards-economic-interests-simply-not-aligned-with-shareholders-1094823270.html

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 17 2022 1:46 utc | 153

@pretzelattack # 156

everyone thinks you’re an idiot. you, being an idiot, disagree.

If by “everyone” you mean three idiots on a blog, and by “idiot” you mean someone who doesn’t believe the same idiotic nonsense they do, then you would be correct. And that would probably be the first time in your life you were correct.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 17 2022 8:07 utc | 154

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 17 2022 1:15 utc | 157
Prior to about 1955 or so, US literature was pretty unpornographic, since then, it’s been anything goes. The witch hunt against pedos is more rhetorical than real most of the time. Sex with the young is very popular in literature, they pretend that like magic, you become responsible at the age of 16 or less. I remember reading and seeing all sorts of highly questionable stuff in the 60s & 70s and all that is still around somewhere. Hollywood has always been a cesspool when it comes to that sort of thing, attracts them like a magnet.
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Bemildred | Apr 17 2022 0:26 utc | 154
i was somewhat joking but the idea of Disney as “wholesome fun”…Americans’ ideas of wholesome, fun, indoctrination, and commies are all Bircher-light, if not straight Birch.
newsflash: bambi and thumper peed in the same bathroom.
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 17 2022 1:21 utc | 158
I’m not getting into any of this cross-species stuff, thank you very much.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 17 2022 10:50 utc | 155

Regarding Elon “We Will Coup Who We Want” Musk, he and his Starlink corporation are proxies for the American military.
Last year in Oct. 2021, Dmitry Rogozin, head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos, explicity warned that Musk’s Starlink had “dual-use” military purposes and could be deployed not only for American military spying but also to interfere with enemy missiles.
Russian Space Chief Warns Elon Musk’s Starlink Satellite Network Could Hijack Cruise Missiles
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russian-musk-starlink-hijack-missiles
Also last year in Dec. 2021, China filled protests United Nations Office for Space Affairs warning that Musk’s Starlink satellites had intruded dangerously close to the orbits of China’s Tiangong space station on multiple occasions.
Elon Musk’s Unregulated Space Projects Endanger Global Security
http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=2375
And now, Musk’s Starklink satellite system is providing intel to the Ukrainian military for its attacks on Russian forces.
Ukraine is using Elon Musk’s Starlink for drone strikes
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-is-using-elon-musks-starlink-for-drone-strikes/a-61270528
This Twitter beef is likely about one faction of the American oligarchy (the military-industrial wing, as fronted by Musk) vs. another faction of the American oligarchy (Big Tech) fighting over control over this media platform.
This Twitter beef is about power–not free speech.

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 17 2022 21:01 utc | 156

Regarding Elon “We Will Coup Who We Want” Musk, he and his Starlink corporation are proxies for the American military.
Last year in Oct. 2021, Dmitry Rogozin, head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos, explicity warned that Musk’s Starlink had “dual-use” military purposes and could be deployed not only for American military spying but also to interfere with enemy missiles.
Russian Space Chief Warns Elon Musk’s Starlink Satellite Network Could Hijack Cruise Missiles
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russian-musk-starlink-hijack-missiles
Also last year in Dec. 2021, China filled protests United Nations Office for Space Affairs warning that Musk’s Starlink satellites had intruded dangerously close to the orbits of China’s Tiangong space station on multiple occasions.
Elon Musk’s Unregulated Space Projects Endanger Global Security
http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=2375
And now, Musk’s Starklink satellite system is providing intel to the Ukrainian military for its attacks on Russian forces.
Ukraine is using Elon Musk’s Starlink for drone strikes
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-is-using-elon-musks-starlink-for-drone-strikes/a-61270528
This Twitter beef is likely about one faction of the American oligarchy (the military-industrial wing, as fronted by Musk) vs. another faction of the American oligarchy (Big Tech) fighting over control over this media platform.
his Twitter beef is about power–not free speech.
Posted by: ak74 | Apr 17 2022 21:01 utc | 163
Yes exactly, the idea of “benevolent trillionaires” in the US or probably anywhere is just more propaganda. Thanks for the links I’d seen them and forgot where.

Posted by: K | Apr 18 2022 0:19 utc | 157

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