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April 05, 2022

If The Pentagon Can Not Confirm The Bucha Tales, Who Can?

This was the most important one of yesterday's news items.


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Pentagon can't independently confirm atrocities in Ukraine's Bucha, official says

WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) - The U.S. military is not in a position to independently confirm Ukrainian accounts of atrocities by Russian forces against civilians in the town of Bucha, ...
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"The Pentagon can't independently and single handedly confirm that, but we're also not in any position to refute those claims."

If the Pentagon, which includes the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, could not confirm what the government in Kiev claimed, who else could?

Certainly not the European minions who reacted to those dubious claims by removing more Russian embassy personal from their countries.

The U.S. is again pushing the Europeans into suiciding their economies. The U.S. would of course be the only country that would gain from that.

Its over. The Ukraine has lost the war. Its navy, air force and defense industry no longer exist. The Russia air force is doing hundreds of bombing runs per night eliminating any fuel and ammunition depot that is left in Ukraine.

Without fuel tanks and trucks are immobilized. Without ammunition artillery falls silent. The heavy Ukrainian units along Donbas are now unable to do maneuver warfare. They can not even flee. Replenishment and reserves are unable to reach them. They have the choice of giving up or getting destroyed in place.

Anyone who is still pushing more weapons into Ukraine or tells Kiev to prolong the war is putting more Ukrainian lives at risk for zero potential gain.

That's criminal.

Posted by b on April 5, 2022 at 11:09 UTC | Permalink

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@ WJ | Apr 5 2022 14:43 utc | 75

I very much like your often-expressed concern that the conflict might lead to nuclear war, which I believe is a fundamental underlying the whole conflict here, making this war truly a war like no other. Yes, as some, even students in my class yesterday, have often said, nuclear war is unlikely (Thank God!) because of MAD=mutually-assured destruction. But that does not mean that stupidity or a mistake still could not precipitate it. The possibility of it simply cannot be excluded, and the controls in place to prevent it do not appear to be very robust.

I don't really believe that Biden or any of the last several presidents, maybe going back to Nixon, has really been in charge of policy; rather, they have advisers who tell them what to do. In this case, so far, Biden has at least been following the advice not to invade or to try to confront Russia directly on the battlefield. But that seems a weak thread to keep us from disaster.

It is a little hard to understand why the hype against Russia and Putin is so shrill if it is likely to be conducive to a nuclear confrontation that no one would win. I myself would attribute the hype to elite frustration that the invasion has exposed the complete impossibility of the US attaining "full spectrum dominance," because it has brought out the fact that Russia has the Great Equalizer=parity in atomic weapons and hence is invulnerable militarily, and probably in other respects as well. So no wonder the power elite hate on Russia and Putin so much and squeal like stuck pigs in impotent rage.

Posted by: Cabe | Apr 5 2022 16:05 utc | 101

Zelenskyy's latest:

Zelensky has delivered an ultimatum to the UN - either eliminate Russia or remove the UN itself

Zelensky is not just pitting the UN against Russia, he has directly and uncompromisingly proposed rewriting the organisation's rules to suit himself: "The second option is to remove yourself. If you are incapable of anything except talking". Additionally, the Ukrainian president suggested reforming the UN "so that the right of veto does not become the right of death".

Zelenskyy invited to discuss reforms in Kiev for the sake of security, without going into details of what exactly is behind the words "reforms" and "security". As you know, international organisations like to hide their military objectives behind the term "security". NATO, for example, is also positioned as an organization created for "peace and security", but its real tasks are quite the opposite. (https://t.me/readovkanews/30012)

Зеленский поставил ультиматум ООН — либо устранение России, либо самоустранение ООН

Зеленский не просто настраивает ООН против России, он прямо и бескомпромиссно предложил переписать правила организации под себя: «Второй вариант — самоустранитесь. Если кроме разговоров вы ни на что не способны». Кроме того, президент Украины предложил реформировать ООН «чтобы право вето не становилось правом на смерть».

Зеленский пригласил обсудить реформы в Киеве ради безопасности, не углубляясь в подробности, что именно скрывается за словами «реформы» и «безопасность». Как известно, международные организации любят за термином «безопасность» скрывать свои военные задачи. НАТО, например, тоже позиционируется как организация, созданная ради «мира и безопасности», однако реальные ее задачи заключаются абсолютно в противоположном. (https://t.me/readovkanews/30012)

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 5 2022 16:13 utc | 102

@ Arganthorninass 93
Seriously, how many generations of inbreeding did it take you to come of that conclusion?

Posted by: Romanov | Apr 5 2022 16:13 utc | 103

It appears few took the time to read Cynthia Chung's excellent essay compiling the history of CIA involvement with Ukraine and the extensive nurturing and protection provided to its Nazis, "How the Ukrainian Nationalist Movement Post-WWII was Bought and Paid for by the CIA."

Many have heard of Bandera but few know about Mykola Lebed who was even more extreme and was protected until his death by CIA. Here's just one event for which he was responsible:

“When the war turned against the Germans in early 1943, leaders of Bandera’s group believed that the Soviets and Germans would exhaust each other, leaving an independent Ukraine as in 1918. Lebed proposed in April to ‘cleanse the entire revolutionary territory of the Polish population,’ so that a resurgent Polish state would not claim the region as in 1918. Ukrainians serving as auxiliary policemen for the Germans now joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)… On a single day, July 11th, 1943, the UPA attacked some 80 localities killing… 10,000 Poles…The Banderists and UPA also resumed cooperation with the Germans.”

From that excerpt on, Chung details how the CIA promoted OUN and its "nationalist" ideology and how it intersected with other CIA Nazi programs. In my initial comment about this article on the Bucha thread, I provided links to the primary sources used in its writing. Chung concludes with this paragraph and tells us she'll write a third part dealing with "NATO and the Gehlen Organization and how this ties into the Ukrainian Nationalist Movement and neo-Nazism in Ukraine today":

And there you have it, the true story of the Ukrainian Nationalist Movement in its form today, bought and paid for by the CIA. Thus, it is no coincidence that the OUN ideology is inextricable from the western Ukrainian nationalist identity today, nor that several neo-Nazi groups have formed since 1991 (since Ukraine’s independence from the USSR) who all view the OUN and Stepan Bandera as the Father of their movement.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 5 2022 16:30 utc | 104

Somewhat on-topic, can anyone please point me to a story about the building fire in Georgia that killed a bunch of people back around 2008 (or it could have been more recent)? I'm in a couple of arguments with Twatter bobbleheads about various atrocities and of course all the Western search engines have completely erased/buried any links to that story. Any help much appreciated.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2022 16:37 utc | 105

"...The Establishment has always been there in UK but it never stopped Harold Wilson refusing to commit British troops to Vietnam. It did not stop Ed Miliband blocking UK bombing Syria..."

I don't disagree, and what you say does not contradict my post. The left was much stronger in 1964, I know, I was on the EC of the local CLP. The CLPs were dominated by the left, except in a few rotten boroughs like Dan Smith's Tyneside, Glasgow and the West Midlands. The only refuge for the right was the Union block voting establishment, which was thoroughly unrepresentative of the membership (that rarely changes!)
Wilson and the cabinet very much wanted to send troops to Vietnam. But the US didn't need them and wasn't much interested in having them. Instead they sent Robert Thompson who was the former Malay Emergency expert- Strategic Hamlets were his idea.
The counter insurgency scheme involved ethnic divide and rule, concentration camps, regulation of food supplies etc. Similar plans had worked in Palestine, India and, of course, South Africa. A variation was employed in Indonesia (Harold Wilson!!) in the Suharto coup, in which the UK played a major role.
But I digress- since the 60s, and since Corbyn again, the Labour Party has been purged, to an extent unheard of before- MPs are threatened with expulsion for speaking at anti war rallies!
And both Miliband and Wilson were the left candidates in leadership contests. Of course Wilson was the target of MI5 and its mates too.
You are right to remind us how powerful the Security Services have always been, particularly in the time of the Ulster Troubles, but their power is undiminished. What has changed is that their targets are much less powerful- they have smashed the Unions, silenced the sort left media, turned the Labour Party into an MPs Fan Club and concentrate their power on targets like the Skripals, Assange and Craig Murray.
The Labour Party is a clapped out whore which has had so many abortions that it can no longer get pregnant.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2022 16:40 utc | 106

The United Nations Security Council had an active resolution designed to achieve compromise, stability, and a political foundation for the future of Ukraine. The political interests Zelensky represents rejected the UNSC initiative, and continued low-intensity conflict while, as is apparent now, preparing for a full-scale war. For him to appear at the UN as some sort of aggrieved party is just bad theater, and joins the contrived histrionics of the west's representatives as the purest form of talk-shop uselessness.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 5 2022 16:46 utc | 107

It's as I wrote earlier: the fog of war is now pea-soup thick and Ukraine is desperate; both, fertile conditions for all manner of deception and fabrications. Civilians caught in crossfire is an inevitable reality of war; especially with ukrainian dogs preventing civilians from leaving structures occupied by these vicious fighters. There's no doubt they are using civilians as human shields. The entire USNATO Ukraine policy is to prolong civilian misery and weaponize victimhood of Ukrainians against Russia. That's why I rarely watch media exploitation of Ukrainian victimhood for propaganda warfare.

When Russians move on from militarily gained territory; it's easy for the Ukes to take bodies out of buildings and use them to stage a massacre scene as revenge.

They can't do that if Russians take over an area, and bodies are removed by Ukrainian authorities with some kind of supervisory control by Russian forces.

Bucha may remain a mystery forensically since it is now under total control of Ukie and USNATO operatives. We may never know the truth as the crime scene area was not independently secured and could have been contaminated in multiple ways.

I still feel like those bodies lying in and beside the street were dumped there, mostly because of the positioning and lack of blood stain and spatter, albeit viewed from the disadvantaged point of a moving vehicle.

We'll see after forensics work and analysis is completed, if results become public, what is revealed. Although, we know that without independent supervision, evidence can be tampered with.

However, I have two further points to make:

1. Completely retreating from previously-held territory is a risk and maybe even an unforced error. Now that the enemy has benefited from the Bucha incident in a spectacular way, everyone can be assured that staging of massacres will happen in serial progression wherever the Russians have been fighting. What is the strategy to derail this sinister gameplan?

2. Acts of depravity will happen on the battlefield on any side for different reasons: battle fatigue, mental break, revenge for enemy's brutality, release of frustration, lack of discipline; the whole heart of darkness nine-yards ambit. Such acts should be checked and disciplined.

The U.S. has ZERO moral high ground on the issue of battlefield atrocities. The U.S. standard in the field of war criminality is riddled with double-standard judgment calls and is rock bottom especially on self-accountability.

All said, there is no valid excuse for even lone acts of depravity or deliberate criminality on the battlefield on any side.

We may never know the truth, but this moment is a wake up call to stop giving the enemy ways and means to frame Russia as a monster, especially when the enemy's monstrous deeds are going unchecked and condoned.

I agree with Seer: Who benefits?

Posted by: Circe | Apr 5 2022 16:47 utc | 108

@ Cabe | Apr 5 2022 16:05 utc | 102

my thinking at the moment is that the usa empire is hoping to bleed russia dry here... they want a prolonged war in ukraine, which is certainly the position mouthed by zelensky... the aim seems to be to continue in this same direction.. have as much suffering and hardship imposed on ukraine and blame it all on russia.. meanwhile hope that russians reach a point of turning on putin and etc. etc... a friend sent a link from twitter - air bnb has cancelled russian and belarussian citizens from using its service... cancel culture goes with the financial sanctions... for any russians who might have been gravitating towards the west - they are working hard to close the door on that and it is the so called democracies that are closing the door! freedom and democracy, only if the west gets to call all the shots is what this is..

@ Barofsky | Apr 5 2022 16:13 utc | 103

thanks... do you really think zelensky is behind all this? i can't see it myself... he is being put up to all this..

@ Romanov | Apr 5 2022 16:13 utc | 104

if you want to participate at moa, i suggest you take a less hostile approach.. otherwise, welcome to moa..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 16:49 utc | 109

105 Cont'd--

It's clear that the book on CIA management of Nazis in Ukraine and globally isn't near finished yet. Every crime committed by Ukrainian Nazis has a CIA abettor just as Hitler was ultimately responsible for all the mayhem caused by his military and its allies. And that of course means the Outlaw US Empire also stands guilty as a partner to those crimes in the same manner as Hitler since it owns the CIA. MI-6 and other NATO "intelligence" agencies are also complicit. It's clear Humanity's approaching the Moment of Reckoning as the West dies by its own hand, which explains much of the hysteria we're seeing from Blinken to Zelensky to Bojo and the Germans.

It's not the Pentagon we should look to for confirmation. It's the CIA since they're the instigator, coordinator and paymaster throughout the sordid post-WW2 history of Ukraine. And that's why Russia doesn't target Ukrainian civilians for they're victims of a massive manipulation program that goes back to 1929 when OUN was founded. As I've stated, it will take several generations of deprograming to purge the OUN ideology from the vast majority of Ukrainians, and Russia shouldn't put any trust in Ukrainian officials to perform that task if denazification is to succeed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 5 2022 16:51 utc | 110

Posted by: Cabe | Apr 5 2022 16:05 utc | 102


Thank you for your comment.

I think you are right that the media hype surrounding the Russian conflict is likely not intended to rouse the populace to support direct strikes on Russia, for the very reason you mention. I think it is likely to build domestic support for the increasing isolation of everything Russia, the mainstreaming of Russiaphobia, and to convince the domestic populace in the West that the economic hardships they will face directly as a result of Western sanctions are "worth it." I think they will succeed in the first two endeavors, but probably fail in the third.

I do not believe that is is likely that anybody is gaming out a nuclear confrontation with Russia as a live option. (Though it should be said that this would not be unprecedented--everybody knows those stories about crazed American generals in the 50s and 60s). The worry is always that events get ahead of the rational calculation that is supposedly managing them--a mistake compounds a mistake, leading to escalation which, however unintentional, cannot be taken back once it occurs. Human beings, at the limit, are not perfectly rational actors.

More generally, however, and in line, again, with your own view, it is becoming clearer and clearer that the point of this war, really, is to achieve the subjugation of the European, and then the American, populace under the US imperial umbrella. The War is not ultimately being fought for victory, but to prevent the domestic populace of Europe and the United States from even being able to envision an escape from the unipolar world with all its consequences. Orwell was right, again.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 5 2022 16:52 utc | 111

@ Paul Greenwood | Apr 5 2022 16:05 utc | 101 who didn't like my wording

I wrote
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The last I checked the UK and Canada were the same kingdom..../s
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I should have written
"
The last I checked the UK and Canada were part of the same kingdom..../s
"

It that a correct statement Paul? Sorry for the confusion

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 5 2022 16:52 utc | 112

Posted by: Wilbur | Apr 5 2022 15:59 utc | 99

I think Russia completely misjudged the situation at first and went into Ukraine with an inadequante plan. Russia thought that Ukraine would be the same as it was in 2014 in Crimea: Passive soldiers who were easily disarmed and surpressed. They went on Chernigove, Kiev, Sumy and Charkov, because they expected that Ukrainian soldiers would lay down their weapons and then could move into the cities. That only worked in Kherson and Melitopol.


I dont believe a word from Russian MoD that they just wanted to hinder Ukraine reinforcing the Donbass front with the forces in the north. If they wanted to just encircle the Donbass front, they could have easily made just one big Northern pincer and move southwards in a surprise attack. While Ukraine saw Russian staging areas, it didnt prepare for a fight. Another important fact is that Russia only struck military installations first. They only started to hit the fuel supply, when it became apparent that the initial plan failed.

So I think Russia moved in on bad intel. But since the Crimean grouping was very successful without much resistance (again, Russia expected this to happen in the north as well), it wasnt a complete failure: Kherson Oblast, nuclear plant at Energodar, Melitopol and encirclement of Mariupol, basically Sea of Azov in Russian hand. Kherson Oblasts now gives Russia free reign to either move on to Odessa or to central Ukraine behind the Dnepr.

The strategic initiative is clearly with Russia, Ukraine can only react.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 16:54 utc | 114

jo6pac:

It wouldn't seem too hard to believe he was there.

https://www.army.mil/article/248323/landcom_commander_lt_gen_cloutier_and_acting_deputy_for_the_ukrainian_land_forces_major_general_oleksandr_holodniuk_visit_ipsc

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2022 16:56 utc | 115

@102 cabe

When the dollar left the gold standard under Nixon and became the world reserve currency, it became something else entirely. Something much more ominous. The dollar affixed itself to empire's full spectrum dominance and its pursuit. The dollar's hegemony became a confidence game with very bloody stakes.

Now you are seeing the chinks in the armor. One wonders how this will play out, but I believe it will end up with a military coup, with the Pentagon usurping the CIA-globalists. If the globalists can not maintain the dollar's hegemony, it will be incumbent upon the Nationalists in the Pentagon to wrest control and install order to a crumbling economic structure.

Or so I hope.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 5 2022 16:58 utc | 116

@bevin (77). Can you tell us about the takeover of The Guardian please? I have an Irish friend who reads it religiously (yeah, I know) and I’d like to share that information. Thanks!

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Apr 5 2022 17:00 utc | 117

@ WJ | Apr 5 2022 16:52 utc | 112

thanks for your posts wj.. i tend to agree with your overall appraisal too fwiw...

@ Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 16:54 utc | 115

you might be right arne... i can't rule out your logic here.. thanks...

@ the usa general caught in mariupol...................................................................... this topic has been kept alive the last 5 or more threads.. is it possible to actually wait until something conclusive is found on this, to with hold more conjecture on this?? lol.. apparently not!!

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 17:00 utc | 118

"If The Pentagon Can Not Confirm The Bucha Tales, Who Can?"

There are 17 intelligence agencies in US. Whoever that needs to confirm the tales can go agency "shopping" for the best deal, can't they?

Maybe if they work harder, they could still find the Iraqi WMD in Wuhan lab also, right?

Wait, I am confused. If they manage to do that, which country do they invade, China or Iraq?

Posted by: d dan | Apr 5 2022 17:01 utc | 119

thomas | Apr 5 2022 12:22 utc | 18

Your post lacks any factual argument. You do not respond to any. It is just a void ad personam blabla.

So as not to fall into the same mistake, here is an argument made yesterday by the Russian UN ambassador Nebenzia:"For as long as the town was under the control of the Russian armed forces locals were moving freely around the town and using cellular phones. So they could post on social media any photo and video footage of any theoretical 'harassment' if this were the case. However, that did not happen."

No visual evidence of all the bodies before the return of the Ukrainian forces, although they are supposed to have been lying there for weeks. Also, there are probably no stray dogs in Bucha, the 'corpses' are completely intact....

Posted by: Pnyx | Apr 5 2022 17:06 utc | 120

How can you claim that the air force, navy and defense industries are gone? You base this on what? You keep claiming this, which would imply that Ukraine therefore has no ability to fight. Yet the fighting goes on, with Russia getting bogged down even in Donetsk and Luhansk.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 5 2022 17:08 utc | 121

@ Inkan1969 | Apr 5 2022 17:08 utc | 122...............ever heard of ukrainian army and armed forces?? they still exist... not a walk in the park here..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 17:10 utc | 122

This special operation by Russia in Ukraine is starting to look like it will occur over a similar or longer time frame than the operation in Syria. Lira thought a couple of years and the way Ritter is talking he also thinks similar. This pause at the moment is perhaps just the first of many.
One aspect of that is the last eight years of propaganda and brainwashing will start to wear thin on the average Ukrainian. Russia like in Syria is putting in an effort to get civilians out of a operation zone, before and during the operation. They are free to go to Russia, Russian held Ukraine or US puppet held Ukraine. Those wanting to go into puppet held Ukraine have to survive the nazi's. videos starting to appear now of many of these who are perhaps bewildered but certainly angry that they were fired on, threatened ect, and many know of people deliberately killed by their own troops for trying to evacuate into safer government held areas. Word will get around and as time goes on with more and more refugees having the same stories.. Ukraine could easily be a different place in a couple of years time as far as the average mindset of the population.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2022 17:15 utc | 123

@ jo6pac | Apr 5 2022 16:52 utc | 114

Having a US general in the trap would explain the desperate evacuation attempts from Mariopol.

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 5 2022 17:18 utc | 124

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Apr 5 2022 17:00 utc | 118
I don't think that The Guardian has ever been a seriously left-oriented "news" source, certainly not in my lifetime, but do a web search for "guardian rusbridger smashed hard drives" for starters. That incident more or less marks the point at which it gave up any pretense of not being Imperium propaganda.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 17:19 utc | 125

For him to appear at the UN as some sort of aggrieved party is just bad theater, and joins the contrived histrionics of the west's representatives as the purest form of talk-shop uselessness.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 5 2022 16:46 utc | 108

Theater being the operative word in regards to battlefield stagecraft, and on the world stage. You could say that aside from being a bad actor politically, Mr. Zelensky is a better puppet and is performing to perfection for his USNATO Masters. Mr. Zelensky is still exercising his former day-job: pretending to be president of Ukraine when we all know who's really in charge.

At least I'm confident and reassured that President Putin is his own man on the world stage and doesn't appear ever day on screen seeking audience attention and validation from masters pulling strings.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 5 2022 17:20 utc | 126

Jo6pac @ 114

This came up in yesterday’s thread. Most interesting links @76&78. The ukrinform link would have him in Kiev earlier today. Begging the question how the heck a three star travels across hundreds of miles of Ukraine and why that would be risked. Also the generals wiki page is re-edited repeatedly and just strange.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 5 2022 17:20 utc | 127

Posted by: Pnyx | Apr 5 2022 17:06 utc | 121

I have made my experiences with people commenting here bcs the host in Hamburg tried to spread the pov of russian oligarchic class and imperialist state. Just look at the MoA archives from March to August 2014 wrt the Donbass fighting, the same stupidity of commenters and host in f.e. praising that coward Strelkov and then, when he finally had to give up all positions and battle lines and had to flee back to mother country Russia and into Putin's arms the hype had gone. Same will happen now.
That's why I said you need a principal antiimperialist political conviction which will guide you through the class fights of the day and also through this russian aggression, as well as every other countries' aggressions.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:26 utc | 128

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2022 17:15 utc | 124

I dont think the war will last for years and years to come. Since the initial plan failed (decapitate Kiev, keep Ukraine as a unitary state minus Crimea and Donbass), I think Russia's new plan is to form new statelets in the majority Russian speaking Oblasts and leave a rump Ukraine for Ze to govern. Kherson is already integrated into the Russian orbit (ruble, Russian TV, free energy). There is no point in taking all of Ukraine and then facing an insurgency. I think the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine will accept Russian rule in an exchange for better life, there are no fights in Kherson, this will happen in other parts as well. If Russia has moved to the final borders it wants to protect, then it becomes a policing operation and an overall frozen conflict.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 17:26 utc | 129

Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2022 16:37 utc | 106

This is a video on the OUN. Odessa starts at 14.34. There are a number of other videos about showing and explaining what occurred at Odessa. This is one I have saved.

https://vimeo.com/99757698

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2022 17:26 utc | 130

@ NemesisCalling | Apr 5 2022 16:58 utc | 117

This idea of a military coup in the US on the surface of it seems so unlikely, given the fairly low status of military officers in the power elite, as described by C. Wright Mills long ago in his book with that title. And of course US public perceptions are that our fine military would never do anything to upset the Great Republic. But...

Changing circumstances such as you mention, leading to a demotion of the United States in the world, could well lead to strange turns of events. Pressure on the system might lead to some crucial piece suddenly breaking, so that many taut ties snap, leading to a cascading collapse of the whole circus tent in a short time. This would be a very dangerous time for people both inside and outside of the US. Such circumstances might demand military intervention to maintain some kind of public order.

Alternatively, it is also possible that the need to rein in the arrogant, nutty imperialists, whom you describe as the "CIA-globalists," could lead to something like the 1974 military coup in Portugal, where the Portuguese military, having come to loathe the murderous colonialist wars to maintain the Portuguese empire of the Salazarist New State, overthrew that state and ended the empire. Of course, the situations are not entirely analogous, but the point is that the military officers might eventually get fed up with the imperialism. It would seem to me that a lot of the high brass in the military are promoted because they are willing to go along with the imperialism, but many of the younger officers may not be, and it was those younger officers who pushed the 1974 coup in Portugal.

Posted by: Cabe | Apr 5 2022 17:27 utc | 131

james at @123

But james, he also says that the tanks and trucks are immobilized and can't do maneuver warfare? But the fighting keeps going.

Is the army just defending itself from set positions? Well, it appears to be defending those positions well enough for the Russian military to make very little advancement. How can anyone say the war is "over" then?

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 5 2022 17:28 utc | 132

Its impossible for Putin to withdraw from all of Ukraine except for Donbass in exchange for sanction relief.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 12:25 utc | 21

This is a totally wrong assumption, I believe. I'm not sure the Russian Generalstab has "sanction relief" on the table anywhere in the near future, regardless what the outcome in Ukraine.

It's more likely the Russians bet that this sanction relief will happen in ways not intended by the EU, or whatever will be left of it when the time comes. In other words: learning from pain!

Yes, sure, as it stands right now, the EU makes a rock-solid and atomic appearance. But we all know of the behemoth conflicts underneath the surface, of which only few have led to Brexit. For the sake of argument, the UK wasn't even part of the Eurosystem.

Posted by: Nervous German | Apr 5 2022 17:28 utc | 133

Victoria's Secret - The MSM gets its war analysis from the sister in law of the woman who made the war inevitable.

https://askeptic.substack.com/p/victorias-secret

Posted by: Will | Apr 5 2022 17:32 utc | 134

@ Inkan1969 | Apr 5 2022 17:28 utc | 133

i don't think anyone is saying the war is over!! i missed that memo... how do you protect citizens and get rid of those who are happy to murder, maim or poison them by hitting the hydrocloric acid tank for example?? "The LPR said that Ukrainian troops blew up a tank, presumably with hydrochloric acid, in the workshop of the Zarya plant in Rubizhne" the war goes on and it is not over by a long shot... the shit continues, but attempts are made by both sides to narrow the options and close windows to shut the other side down.... don't be unrealistic here.. it serves no purpose..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 17:33 utc | 135

@ Peter Fenton | Apr 5 2022 17:00 utc | 118

regarding ties of the guardian to british intelligence see e.g.:

https://newcoldwar.org/the-guardians-direct-collusion-with-media-censorship-by-secret-services-exposed/

or

https://mobile.twitter.com/kennardmatt/status/1138793429184503808

Posted by: Sternberg | Apr 5 2022 17:34 utc | 136

following up 114 and 128

Just posted on intelslava. Two more Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters tried to get into Mariupol, presumably for an evacuation. Both were shot down. My personal running tally has either 9 or 10 helicopters attempting this mission with only two surviving and getting anyone out of there alive. Endless suicide missions. There is a reason for this.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 137

@ Arganthorninass 93
Seriously, how many generations of inbreeding did it take you to come of that conclusion?

Posted by: Romanov | Apr 5 2022 16:13 utc | 104

Care to explain what benefits to national interests do dual-citizenship holders bring to top public offices the likes of national president, regional president, chamber president, et cetera; over non-dual citizens?

i.e.

If the president of Tomeinia was a dual Tomeinian-Bregnian citizen, it would benefit Tomeinian national interests better than a simple Tomeinian citizen, because...?

Do you have any argument along these lines, or do you have some sort of unspoken interest in promoting dual citizens to top offices, to the point of insulting randoms strangers?

Dual citizens have, of necessity, institutional and personal strings from other nations. Foreign interests can be exercised, even forcefully, through these.

Additionally, the other nationalities have a higher potential to become a haven from due punishment for corruption cases.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 138

about sanctions being lifted.... anyone who thinks this is a complete dreamer.... may as well go back to sleep.... they are being ramped up to the limit at this point and nothing short of russian capitulation with change any of this..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 139

I'm not going to trust any single word of the russian aggressor wrt the alleged atrocities and murders in Boucha, and also any of the other side. I have no single personal source which could give me any proof, sitting 2000km away on a couch. And a lot of you couch potatoes even sitting 10Thousand k's away on some other continent. How can you even dare to know anythink about what's happening there, exsp. in Boucha, a little town you have never heard about before?

Just wait till trustworthy people and institutions have done their research which will definetely take weeks and months

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 140

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 5 2022 17:20 utc | 128

I've done a search in Yandex to see what the Russian side has on that tough guy, nothing confirmed yet but... I just watched a clip with that Cloutier praising Morocco, which is slowly becoming a zio imperial base just next door which is quite worrisome. Our servant government in Spain just threw the Saharauis to the garbage can, certainly scared of facing the occupying yankees and the consequences, like promoting another Donbass in Catalonia or encouraging Morocco to go for the Canary Islands or Ceuta and Melilla. The whole spectacle is depressing, Europe is uncle Sam's cheap whore, and our politicians are simple imperial bus boys, at the local and European level, just look at that clown Borrell, despicable corrupt fool.

https://youtu.be/_26JL_yR6TM

Posted by: Paco | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 141

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Apr 5 2022 15:38 utc | 88

Biden and Blinken over reached, and it has blown up in their faces. The sanctions are causing trouble elsewhere in the world, as noted in the next article below. The combination of disaster in Ukraine and disaster elsewhere ought to deflate the rush of rally-to-the-war promoted by Biden's political supporters in the press.

Sometimes things look a certain way in order to cover up the realities. Hang with me as I ramble a bit on this...

Given that resources are limited (by default a planet is finite, earth is no exception), and that ALL WARS ARE ABOUT/OVER RESOURCES (I have yet to have anyone demonstrate ANY case of this not being so- stories are crafted to distract from this, it's a "religious" war or it's becomes of some "wrong," but the fundamental is always about power, about power over resources [human or natural]).

When the US invaded Iraq I thought it pure insanity. GW Bush (and his pals) were insane. After some time I realized that they weren't driven by insanity, though it is said that power will do that to you (I think, as I offer here, that this notion has been incorrectly attributed), but that it was out of desperation. Now, one can have an over-powering force and still engage in desperate acts. To understand the underpinnings of actions one needs to look at things as though they're acts of desperation. The Iraq war was an act to keep Iraqi oil from being nationalized. THEY knew that the petro-dollar would be undercut and from there-on it would become harder to maintain it.

The same thing is happening today with the US pushing Ukraine to die to the last man. It's to maintain the petro-dollar system, to maintain control over oil. Russia's strength [resources -oil/NatGas- plus military] has allowed it to expose this fact. As we're seeing, sanctions are showing themselves to be the height of desperation. When the farm is being bet and you have a crappy hand -the US/West- then the only PLAY is to bluff and hope that the opponent folds. While a FOLD might be a low probability outcome, it's the only one that's higher than zero. This is the last play of empires. It's not that this moment in time is driven by insanity, no, it's that all the time before this was driven by insanity: that empires last forever, that perpetual growth on a finite planet is possible etc..

Biden's + Blinken's "plans" were no different than those that have been permanent for decades now. Maintain the petro-dollar domination. They have done nothing to undermine that plan or to inadvertently screw it up. It isn't fixable. It could never perpetuate. This is outright desperation: the sanctioning actions highlights this. Most of the spin is to control the citizens. Europe is going to suffer the most because it is the least resource-rich area; that and the EU economic blunderings -likely championed by the US/UK bankers behind the scenes- resulted in generating massive debts via cheap loans [Europe was IMF'd]. Europe will be the US's [limited] lifeline- only means for generating a positive trade balance [dumping LNG and weapons]. Unless China, Russia, India and others can chain down the US [add in UK- bankers] it's all lining up for a repeat of WWII.

Posted by: Seer | Apr 5 2022 17:36 utc | 142

@ Oldhippie | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 138

yes, it continues to lend merit to the rumour of the usa general in the area and etc. etc... i read that too... speculation continues..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 17:36 utc | 143


The implications of this is interesting - If true


https://t.me/rybar/30599

Machine translation of text -

The [Maxar] image of the "Massacre in Bucha of March 19" was taken on April 1

Thanks to the help of our OSINT and GEOINT team (https://t.me/rybar/30413), we were able to accurately determine the time of the snapshot.

▪️The picture from the NYT allegedly dated March 19 shows sandy alluvium after a downpour that went from the 31st to the first.

▪️ The attached comparison from NYT is based on two shots that have identical shadow positions. They allegedly compared March 19 and February 28. In fact, they compared February 28 and April 1 - the time and position of the shadows coincide. The original dates of the photographs are in US time.
▪️ Information is available on the Maxar website which satellites have filmed the Buchi region in the last period. A total of three satellites were involved.

▪️ Having checked the angle of declination of the Sun above the horizon, in the SunCalc program we were able to find out by enumeration the exact time of the picture and the direction of the shadows.

▪️ The picture was taken on April 1 at 11:57 GMT (14:57 local daylight saving time).
#Bucha #Kiev #Ukraine #fake
@rybar

Posted by: Iain | Apr 5 2022 17:37 utc | 144

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:26 utc | 129

As far as I remember, Strelkov didnt "flee" to Russia, but Russia demanded control of the Donbass operation. First Strelkov didnt want to give control to Russia, even after he had to withdraw from Slovyansk. Only when Ukraine was getting closer and closer to Donetsk, Strelkov gave up. Only then Russia moved in and stopped Ukrainian forces close to Donetsk at the battle of Ilovaisk.

In this context, your wording gives a hint at your intention. "Fleeing" means that the insurgency Strelkov led was collapsing and he had to flee to Russia due to Ukraine retaking all of Donbass. Since that didnt happen, Strelkov didnt need to "flee". he could have stayed in Donetsk, if it wasnt for the bagrain with the Russian govt. Again, by using the specific word "flee", you give away your intention, you little troll.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 17:37 utc | 145

@ thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 141

thomas did you happen to see this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNuMJNIS64&t=2s

translating the comments is especially informative..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 17:38 utc | 146

Two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters again tried to evacuate the leadership of the Azov National Battalion from Mariupol, they were shot down - Russian Defense Ministry.

https://t.me/intelslava/24427

Must be very important leadership. Maybe some NATO officer or French philosopher?

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 17:38 utc | 147

@ Iain | Apr 5 2022 17:37 utc | 145

thanks... which is why the video i link @ 147 doesn't make sense in the overall context here...

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2022 17:40 utc | 148

Just wait till trustworthy people and institutions have done their research which will definetely take weeks and months

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 141


And who exactly are these trustworthy people and institutions?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 17:47 utc | 149

Empiezo a pensar que la mejor estrategia es hacer lo que hicieron los Yankees en Irak
demolición total fulminante

Posted by: Felipe | Apr 5 2022 17:48 utc | 150

Ach Arne, you poor Putin strategist, you know exactly what's going on on the battle field and in Putins brain? you are totally out of order. Admitting that Russia in 2014 wanted to control the Donbass operations bcs of Strelkov's failings is totally against the russian narrative that a strong and committed local people is fighting the fascists on the other side. When on both sides there are lot's of fascists, criminal gangs, homophobs, muscle posing arseholes etc.pp.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:49 utc | 151

karlof1 | Apr 5 2022 16:51 utc | 111

As to future of Ukraine and its nazi's, the OUN background and so forth, much depends I think on how much longer Nato holds together.
While nato is still exists I cant see Russia allowing Poland to move into western Ukraine, as that simply moves nato closer. I suspect it is close to fact now that Ukraine will be partitioned, with Russian held areas now using ruble for currency - Russia swapping Hryvnia for ruble. Once nato no longer exists, I expect the western Ukraine stamping ground of OUN to go back to Poland and I would guess the Hungarian area to go back to Hungary. Apparently the ethnic Hungarians have been treated in a similar way to the ethic Russians.
If that occurs then Poland would inherit the problem of the OUN.

As I put in an earlier comment, I am starting to think this Russia operation in Ukraine will be on a time scale of several years similar to Syria. In Syria, Russia did what I thought was the impossible ad separated moderate Syrian militia's from the extremists and designated terrorists.
I think this will be another Syria but with Ukrainian characteristics.

With the EU suiciding itself, NATO may well have ceased to exist by the time Russia finishes its Ukraine operation.


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2022 17:50 utc | 152

@ 52. Here at MoA we frequently invoke the 12th Commandment:
“The Trolls shall not be fed.”

+ + + +

@ 75 WJ. Guess your preference is a demented hand on the nuclear launch button. Biden is Commander-in-Chief over those at work in the Pentagon.

We, on planet earth, are in serious danger when Pentagon officials openly contradict their Commander-in-Chief and, may I repeat:

(a) a US Senator said the Commander-in-chief is "a national security risk" and, he is not alone.
(b) WH spox need to walk back or clarify what “the president meant to say”

Well, like her or leave her; Harris, an Attorney-at-Law, was not born of idiots. Her dad, a former professor of Economics, Stanford U. USA; her mother, an acclaimed physician, Faculty of Medicine, McGill U. Canada.

Some offer that Harris, being color-enhanced, is demonized by those who embrace systemic racism.

I suggest you follow the Bidens’ money trail presented to the empanelled Grand Jury. Hunter’s two business partners have flipped, giving testimony on Bidens’ [includes the elder] business with Chinese entity.

Which penny will be the first to drop?

for ease of reference:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-gaffe-putin-cannot-remain-in-power-rand-paul-national-security-threat

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/16/rick-scott-biden-25-amendment-afghanistan-505141

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2022/04/02/grand-jury-heard-testimony-hunter-bidens-income-payments-president/7256557001/

Cheers. The bar is open. Drinks on the house.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 5 2022 17:50 utc | 153

And who exactly are these trustworthy people and institutions?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 17:47 utc | 150

definitely not Putin, Lavrov, Kadirov, russian generals or the like. Make up your own mind

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:51 utc | 154

Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 15:49 utc | 93

I would personally be more concerned about second or third generation citizens the first generation immigrants

Most first generation immigrants tend to be more loyal to their new home and wish to belong there - particularly if they had to flee their countries of origin

In my experience second or third generation citizens may have distorted views of their parents countries of origin and may harbour ancestral hatreds towards the traditional enemies of their ancestors

Posted by: Aslangeo | Apr 5 2022 17:52 utc | 155

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:49 utc | 152

Typical troll behaviour:

1. Thomas: Strelkov had to flee to Russia.

2. Arne: Since Ukraine didnt capture Donbass, Strelkov didnt have to flee, it was part of a bargain with Russia for him to vanish.

3. Thomas: Ach Arne, you poor Putin strategist...blah blah

Moving the goal post much, when called out for your nonsense? Are you, by chance, Thomas Theiner known as noclador on twitter back in 2014? Your nonsesne sounds familiar. ;)

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 17:56 utc | 156

@ Thomas 18, 152 and throughout this thread.

I am breaking the 12th Commandment.

If you cannot be civil and courteous to our host and fellow commentators, please take your leave before the welcome mat is shredded.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 5 2022 17:56 utc | 157

"Where Barflies Get Together" A good place for philosophers.

Here are my two thoughts on the situation, at a philosophical level

1. I seriously doubt that the leaders of all those EU countries are being fooled by the propaganda. They all have their own intelligence services and any police detective can see through the BS. Therefore I believe that those leaders must in on the fix.

This and all of history as well as my own observations lead me to believe that Democracy, as the West plays it, is a farce. For example, the so-called Democratic governments resort to mass propaganda to gain the support of the majority of their citizens and censorship to shut out those in the minority. This does not meet any valid definition of Democracy. Hence our so-called Democracy is a farce. These governments do not represent their people, though I'm not sure just who they do represent.

2. I'm not a constitutional lawyer but I can see a flurry of law suits by Russia and all those "oligarchs" who've had their assets stolen as well as all those negatively impacted by the West's questionable activities. I'm sure the Western nations will put forward some grand justifications for which the courts will have to either declare insufficient and find for the plaintiffs or find for the defendendants (the governments) knowing their justice systems will be seen as corrupt. These will be some court cases worth watching.

ArmChair Philosopher At Large (ACPAL)

Posted by: ACPAL | Apr 5 2022 17:59 utc | 158

And who exactly are these trustworthy people and institutions?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 17:47 utc | 150

definitely not Putin, Lavrov, Kadirov, russian generals or the like. Make up your own mind

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:51 utc | 155

I doubt any of the ones you mention have the requisite forensic training, and I'm sure you realize that too, which disqualifies your response.

Your unwillingness to offer an honest answer to the question speaks volumes.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 17:59 utc | 159

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:26 utc | 129

Fight against imperialism - by closing ranks around NATO!

Fight against imperialism - by praising the spawn of WWII nazistic terrorists!

Fight against imperialism - by helping the Anglos' puppet in Kiev!

Fight against imperialism - by falling in line with monopolistic bourgeois media!

Fight against imperialism - by prohibiting russian language in native speakers!


I love the smell of tr*t-to-neocon pipeline in the morning!! 😎🚬

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 18:01 utc | 160

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2022 17:26 utc | 131

Thanks. I also found this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2022 18:01 utc | 161

https://mobile.twitter.com/miguel18011505/status/1510583834173382660

Unconfirmed sources from Russia Military:
The Russian army captured the
U.S Major General Roger L. Cloutier Jr. Maj. Gen. Roger L. Cloutier, the U.S. Africa Command HQ Chief of Staff in the besieged Ukrainian Azov camp in Mariupol

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 5 2022 18:02 utc | 162

Two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters again tried to evacuate the leadership of the Azov National Battalion from Mariupol, they were shot down - Russian Defense Ministry.

https://t.me/intelslava/24427

Must be very important leadership. Maybe some NATO officer or French philosopher?

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 17:38 utc | 148


Yes, all those helicopters are interesting. No way they are heroic nazis.

The top brass of Azov is Alphabet patrol people, just like IS. Maybe they had to remain in Mariupol. I don't think it has anyting to do with French philosophers, Macron probably got the task to negotiate because he is the only one who has any rapport left.

Posted by: veto | Apr 5 2022 18:02 utc | 163

@Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2022 16:56 utc | 116

https://lc.nato.int/media-center/news/2021/a-deepening-partnership-with-ukraines-land-forces

"KYIV – From March 10-12, 2021, NATO Allied Land Command's commander, Lieutenant General Roger Cloutier, held key engagements with several Ukrainian military and government leaders to build on a partnership initiative that began in September, 2018. At the time, then commander U.S. Army Lieutenant General J.T. Thomson, signed a letter with Ukrainian Land Forces that established the framework for future cooperation."

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:02 utc | 164

From Larchmonter445 Comment: http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/04/for-financists.html#comment-5818190293

On April 5, two more AFU helicopters were shot down in Mariupol. NATO officers BEG the Russian military to let them out of the city
In Mariupol, NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and "neutral" Sweden were stuck on the Azovstal train. They are getting in touch with the Russian troops right now with a request to help them leave, organize an exit corridor-information from journalists on the ground. Today, two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters again tried to evacuate the leadership of the national battalion "Azov" from Mariupol, they were shot down by portable MANPADS, the Russian Defense Ministry reports.

It's only a couple of blocks to the port's territory, and its territory hasn't been seriously shelled by artillery yet. Meanwhile, heavy 240-mm 2S4 "Tulipan" self-propelled mortars arrived in Mariupol.
At the Ilyicha MMK, at one of the assault sites, there are battles for the checkpoint, many wounded - the enemy's defense is based on snipers and machine-gunners.

Source

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 5 2022 18:04 utc | 165

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:26 utc | 129

Fight against imperialism - by closing ranks around NATO!

Fight against imperialism - by praising the spawn of WWII nazistic terrorists!

Fight against imperialism - by helping the Anglos' puppet in Kiev!

Fight against imperialism - by falling in line with monopolistic bourgeois media!

Fight against imperialism - by prohibiting russian language in native speakers!


I love the smell of tr*t-to-neocon pipeline in the morning!! 😎🚬

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 18:01 utc | 161


????????????? Like Einstein said, stupidity is bigger than universe

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 18:05 utc | 166

And who exactly are these trustworthy people and institutions?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 17:47 utc | 150

definitely not Putin, Lavrov, Kadirov, russian generals or the like. Make up your own mind

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:51 utc | 155

I doubt any of the ones you mention have the requisite forensic training, and I'm sure you realize that too, which disqualifies your response.

Your unwillingness to offer an honest answer to the question speaks volumes.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 17:59 utc | 160

who do you trust to clear the dust?

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 18:07 utc | 167

????????????? Like Einstein said, stupidity is bigger than universe

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 18:05 utc | 167

Which begs the question - how do your comments fit inside this comment section?

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 18:07 utc | 168

@ james | Apr 5 2022 17:40 utc | 149
wrt
thanks... which is why the video i link @ 147 doesn't make sense in the overall context here...

Agree particularly as an observation drone is used to survey and they don't comment on "bodies" even then.

Posted by: Iain | Apr 5 2022 18:08 utc | 169

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 12:22 utc | 18

Below it out Jurassic! If you like sex and travel, take a friggin hike!

From the gang at 4 + 1 Cannons opposite East

Posted by: Bones | Apr 5 2022 18:10 utc | 170

Breaking:

In Mariupol, the surrounded nazi "Azom" contacted the Russians and they said they they had NATO officers from UK, France, Germany and Sweden (!) who wanted to surrender now..

Developing.. from Telegram

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 5 2022 18:10 utc | 171

I've also read of some helicopters near Mariupol who turned off their lights and surrendered to the Russians rather than get blown out of the sky.

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 5 2022 18:11 utc | 172

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 5 2022 18:10 utc | 172

Sweden is not in NATO.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 18:11 utc | 173

Sweden is not in NATO.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 5 2022 18:11 utc | 174

Not officially.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 5 2022 18:13 utc | 174

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 141

Your cognitive dissonance has probably reached the top so please go back watching some MSM shit and you'll be free to rest hopefully forever.

Posted by: LuBa | Apr 5 2022 18:13 utc | 175

Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2022 18:01 utc | 162

I am not sure that guardian article is accurate as far as the students in the building having guns. One thing about the nazi's, they like filming their handywork. The video the nazi's took of one of them grabbing a girl and carting her off to a room when they had broken in. Those people getting shot off the ledges on the outside of the burning building, others jumping from lower stories of falling from up higher and the nazi's at the base of the building clubbing then to death.
As for video, youtube will have most likely censored all the Odessa footage but Vimeo or bit chute would be good places to search https://www.bitchute.com/

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2022 18:15 utc | 176

Breaking:

In Mariupol, the surrounded nazi "Azom" contacted the Russians and they said they they had NATO officers from UK, France, Germany and Sweden (!) who wanted to surrender now..

Developing.. from Telegram

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 5 2022 18:10 utc | 172

I'll believe it when I hear them shouting Ахмат-сила!

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 18:18 utc | 177

"Empiezo a pensar que la mejor estrategia es hacer lo que hicieron los Yankees en Irak
demolición total fulminante."

Posted by: Felipe | Apr 5 2022 17:48 utc | 151
----
¿Qué tan bien ha funcionado esa estrategia (o "strategery") para el imperio sionista en Irak? Eso encajaría perfectamente con la definición de locura: seguir haciendo lo que ha fallado y esperar resultados diferentes

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 5 2022 18:23 utc | 178

@thomas | Apr 5 2022 18:05 utc | 167

????????????? Like Einstein said, stupidity is bigger than universe

Quoting Einstein incorrectly proves his point:
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Albert Einstein


Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:23 utc | 179

The Russians have before let operatives leave instead of wiping them out. Happened in Syria. I hope they learnt their lesson and this time around they will wipe them out. Keep shooting those helis.

Again from Larchmonter445: http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/04/for-financists.html#comment-5818184189
Mariupol: nowhere near the end.

This link below talks about the assault on the Ilyich Iron and Steel Work industrial plant. Smaller in area but built underground like Avozstal are tiers of levels of bomb shelters. The Avozstal plant has between 6 to 8 levels. I don't know yet how many levels the Illyich plant has. The troops are fighting tanks, IEDs, booby traps and well-placed sniper fire.
https://ria.ru/20220405/mariupol-1781709297.html

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 5 2022 18:27 utc | 180

https://t.me/intelslava/24434

🇨🇵🇪🇺🇺🇦🇷🇺 NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and “neutral” Sweden got stuck at Azovstal in Mariupol. Right now they are getting in touch with the Russian troops with a request to help them leave, to organize a corridor for the exit. - journalist German Vladimirov.


Oops!

Posted by: donten | Apr 5 2022 18:33 utc | 181

@Sundial | Apr 5 2022 18:04 utc | 166

Why is there no mention of the US General, one might ask.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:35 utc | 182

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 18:18 utc | 178

Nice!

Do you have the link?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 5 2022 18:38 utc | 183

Biden: "he is what he is" (ref. Hunter)
Zelenski: "they are what they are" (ref. Azov)

Mere coincidence...

Posted by: Sock | Apr 5 2022 18:40 utc | 184

Ukrainian SBU showing off their western training (warning: violence)

https://nitter.net/VeraVanHorne/status/1511301270820343809

Posted by: ptb | Apr 5 2022 18:40 utc | 185

Press Briefing by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia on the situation in the town of Bucha (Kiev Region) and related matters

Interesting passage by Vassily Nebenzia yesterday (my bold):

A: The question is who is doing the so-called independent investigation. We’ve seen lots of independent investigations which were not independent at all because they were politically motivated, biased, etc.

As for the meeting, their aim and the idea is absolutely clear. They do not want to let us present our views, and want to go ahead with their own interpretation of the situation. But by tomorrow many things may come to surface which they wouldn’t like to hear. So perhaps they lost time when they did not have this meeting today and postponed it until tomorrow.


Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:41 utc | 186

Roger Cloutier,

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:02 utc | 165

Hope the piece of $hit gets a bullet. He had plenty of time , over a month, to get the hell out but did not because he wanted to fight the Russians. If it's not lead then at least jail in the snowy North. I'd send him to the same place that Khodorkovsky enjoyed while being re-educated. One did his crime with lead the other with money.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 5 2022 18:47 utc | 187

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 15:49 utc | 93

...Dual citizens should NEVER be allowed to hold top-ranking public offices, ANYWHERE. ...

Hillery Clinton might well respond..."What difference does it make?"
Perhaps having 4 or 5 passports to claim 4 or 5 citizenships might make it easier to understand the inherent contradictions...yes, that's it! It might work to help Americans to comprehend such wisdom and pass a constitutional Amendment if we make the limit, say, holding more than 10 passports at 1 time. That way, the new law would not be too high an inconvenience on any American... except in rare cases which could easily and quietly handled by granting immuniyy.
You know, like for purposes of National Security. The grants of immunity could even be "sealed by the court" for 25 years, or 50...renewable. of course.

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 5 2022 18:49 utc | 188

The other two sources I have been able to find so far for the "NATO officers in Azovstal" story are:

Voennaya Khronika, voenhronika.ru

German Vladimirov, t.me/s/germanvladimirov

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 5 2022 18:50 utc | 189

Careful! Someone puked on the bar's floor and it hasn't been cleaned up yet.

Peter AU1 @153--

Correct; NATO won't be allowed onto the current territory of Ukraine. Here's an interesting thought piece today from the Valdai Club, "Towards a 'Cold Peace' in Europe":

We must admit that the new security system in Europe will be based on mutual hostility. But this will be a variant of hostility that precludes provocative behavior. Such behavior is possible only in a situation where no one believes that the other side will attack you, writes Valdai Club Programme Director Andrey Sushentsov.

IMO, what follows Ukraine is dependent on what Russia sees as its minimal security needs. If they remain what was proposed in December, then action will be taken to rollback NATO to its 1997 status. I also believe the Kremlin's view about Ukraine's future is likely to change since to genuinely denazify the populous, several generations will need to pass, and that means incorporating Ukraine as a Union State--all of it--although I can see deals made with former holders of far Western Ukraine, Hungary for example, ceding back their former lands in exchange for leaving NATO. But currently, all we can do is speculate and recall that once Russia commits it rarely changes its mind--and the December proposals IMO were a commitment.

IMO, the key to the future is the fate of the fiat currencies--dollar (US, Australian and Canadian), pound, yen, and euro--and the ability of their printers to afford a modern military capable of confronting Russia and/or China. Currently, the prognosis for those currencies is very poor, like a terminal cancer patient. And as the restrictions placed on Unfriendly Nations grows to include important metals used in military applications, no amount of gold or rubles will be capable of attaining them from Russia. The Outlaw US Empire might pass a future military budget of $1Trillion, but how much will that actually purchase as the dollar enters its death spiral? Then we have the question of STEM-related human capital and other related issues like lack of industrial infrastructure, rotting civilian infrastructure and rapid depletion of fuels and mineral resources. The parasitical Neoliberal pygmies have doomed themselves through their greed and hubris. And they refuse to change their ways.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 5 2022 18:52 utc | 190

Re Ukraine has lost the war.
That does not mean it is over. Like the black knight, if the leadership says it is but a scratch then it is not over. They still have the cities and a hostile population in the west, and a refugee problem which puts pressure on other countries to intervene. Demilitarization is possible as long as Russia is present. Denazification can mean a lot of things but I don't see how that can be forced without cooperation. That means there is a need for negotiation. The direct relevance of denazification is , do the people in what is indicated as novorussia believe they can still live there. If the state cooperates that could end up being the case, if the state does not cooperate these people in the middle have reason to separate. Voluntarily.
Bucha works two ways in that respect: there is a message to Europe and a very different message to the Russian speaking part of the population. I read people in the north are fleeing. From who?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 5 2022 18:55 utc | 191

Here’s the twice mentioned link for NATO in Mariupol attempting to surrender.

https://t.me/intelslava/24434

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 5 2022 18:56 utc | 192

Chechen commander speaking to Ukrainian prisoners (English subtitles)

1/3 (press "View" to see)
https://twitter.com/meatballsubzero/status/1511151020675461122

2/3
https://twitter.com/meatballsubzero/status/1511151096999256065

3/3
https://twitter.com/meatballsubzero/status/1511151217564561408

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:59 utc | 193

now this is v. interesting...

I wonder if any of these... uh....nato ....uh mercenary ... oh oh... advisors to the neo-nazis were on the two helicopters which we just shot down near Mariupol.

If you were the Russians would you let these wankers just walk out??

https://t.me/intelslava/24434
Intel Slava Z
🇨🇵🇪🇺🇺🇦🇷🇺 NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and “neutral” Sweden got stuck at Azovstal in Mariupol. Right now they are getting in touch with the Russian troops with a request to help them leave, to organize a corridor for the exit. - journalist German Vladimirov.
28.9K views Apr 5 at 13:20

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1511398258060443656
Russians With Attitude @RWApodcast

The Russian MOD claims that two helicopters have been shot down near Mariupol, it is suspected that they were supposed to evacuate Azov leadership (same already happened earlier). Considering how little Kiev cares for Azov, I'm not sure it's *them* the choppers wanted to evacuate
12:39 PM · Apr 5, 2022

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 5 2022 19:02 utc | 194

Hundreds of Russian diplomats expelled and more sanctions to be announced tomorrow...

ignoring the blow back because only main street is impacted as the politicos rise in government issued limos.

Get this factoid:

Wholesale Jet fuel cost soar on shortage fears
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/u-east-coast-jet-fuel-051206929.html

April 4 (Reuters) - Jet fuel prices are soaring on the U.S. East Coast, home to some of the world's busiest airports, with buyers anticipating a worsening shortage as supply dwindles amid sanctions on Russian energy exports.

"It is ridiculous what's going on in PADD I with jet, and it's not sustainable," Patrick DeHaan, lead petroleum analyst at GasBuddy, told Reuters.

+ + + +
@ ZH - DeHaan tweeted a video of airline ticket prices soaring, likely because airlines are price sensitive to jet fuel and may already pass higher costs to consumers. [.]

GasBuddy On twitter pricing some flights one went from $3,039 to $19,167.

= = = = =

Mi-8 helios. Let them land, load their cargo, take off - then fire.

Ooops.

Sputnik Updates -

Russian Forces Shoot Down Two Ukrainian Mi-8 Helicopters Evacuating Azov Neo-Nazis From Mariupol - MoD

UNSC:India Calls for Independent Probe Into Bucha Events


Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 5 2022 19:05 utc | 195

"Sweden is not in NATO.-Arne Hartman

"Not officially"- malenkov

Sweden wasn't officially part of the Third Reich or the Axis but it was a crucial part of their arms production.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2022 19:11 utc | 196

🇨🇵🇪🇺🇺🇦🇷🇺 NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and “neutral” Sweden got stuck at Azovstal in Mariupol. Right now they are getting in touch with the Russian troops with a request to help them leave, to organize a corridor for the exit. - journalist German Vladimirov.


Oops!

I want script rights to the Azovstal Steel Works movie!

If there are high-level USNATO operators hiding out there; surround the place, get them out and broker half of Ukraine on paper.

Alas...this would be too good to be true, but what an ace-in-the-hole play it would make!

Posted by: Circe | Apr 5 2022 19:12 utc | 197

Obviously, any captured brass from Sweden and the other provinces of the Empire of Lies, will stand accused during the War Crimes Tribunal that is coming (which, in my opinion for a variety of reasons, will be held in Odessa).

Posted by: bjd | Apr 5 2022 19:15 utc | 198

@Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:35 utc | 183

Has there been any conclusive proof that a General is present?

@Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:59 utc | 194

Thanks for the video(s). No wonder the West hates Russia. Spoke about religion and traditions and also attacked the LGTB++ agenda.

Richard Moore Head of MI6 tweeted
"With the tragedy and destruction unfolding so distressingly in Ukraine, we should remember the values and hard-won freedoms that distinguish us from Putin, none more than LGBT+ rights.”

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 5 2022 19:16 utc | 199

@Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:35 utc | 183

Has there been any conclusive proof that a General is present?

@Norwegian | Apr 5 2022 18:59 utc | 194

Thanks for the video(s). No wonder the West hates Russia. Spoke about religion and traditions and also attacked the LGTB++ agenda.

Richard Moore Head of MI6 tweeted
"With the tragedy and destruction unfolding so distressingly in Ukraine, we should remember the values and hard-won freedoms that distinguish us from Putin, none more than LGBT+ rights.”

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 5 2022 19:16 utc | 200

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