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April 05, 2022

If The Pentagon Can Not Confirm The Bucha Tales, Who Can?

This was the most important one of yesterday's news items.


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Pentagon can't independently confirm atrocities in Ukraine's Bucha, official says

WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) - The U.S. military is not in a position to independently confirm Ukrainian accounts of atrocities by Russian forces against civilians in the town of Bucha, ...
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"The Pentagon can't independently and single handedly confirm that, but we're also not in any position to refute those claims."

If the Pentagon, which includes the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, could not confirm what the government in Kiev claimed, who else could?

Certainly not the European minions who reacted to those dubious claims by removing more Russian embassy personal from their countries.

The U.S. is again pushing the Europeans into suiciding their economies. The U.S. would of course be the only country that would gain from that.

Its over. The Ukraine has lost the war. Its navy, air force and defense industry no longer exist. The Russia air force is doing hundreds of bombing runs per night eliminating any fuel and ammunition depot that is left in Ukraine.

Without fuel tanks and trucks are immobilized. Without ammunition artillery falls silent. The heavy Ukrainian units along Donbas are now unable to do maneuver warfare. They can not even flee. Replenishment and reserves are unable to reach them. They have the choice of giving up or getting destroyed in place.

Anyone who is still pushing more weapons into Ukraine or tells Kiev to prolong the war is putting more Ukrainian lives at risk for zero potential gain.

That's criminal.

Posted by b on April 5, 2022 at 11:09 UTC | Permalink

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Lapin (587).

NI is part of the UK, it has a devolved government at Stormont.

I don't normally quote from Wikipedia, however on this occasion I will.

"NI is a part of the United Kingdom"

"Northern Ireland was created in 1921, when Ireland was partitioned by the Government of Ireland Act 1920, creating a devolved government for the six northeastern counties. The majority of Northern Ireland's population were unionists, who wanted to remain within the United Kingdom"

"Belfast, meaning 'mouth of the sand-bank ford is the capital and largest city of Northern Ireland,"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 6 2022 16:12 utc | 601

Here's an idea for a prisoner exchange: How about trading one or more of the NATO high profile prisoners for Julian Assange?

Posted by: Chas | Apr 6 2022 16:14 utc | 602

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 6 2022 16:12 utc | 602

RoS, yes that was my point exactly. The french Thales plant is certainly in Belfast, and thus in the UK.

But it is not a British company, and it is not in Britain. It is inconveniently in a part of the island of Ireland

:-)

Posted by: Lapin | Apr 6 2022 16:28 utc | 603

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 12:01 utc | 515

Zhirinovsky was a show by himself, sharp, someone hard to classify, with jewish well to do ancestors on his father side from western Ukraine, born in Kazakhstan in exile, as expected anti communist but a patriot of Russia, I'll miss his antics, a very sharp guy always fun to listen.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 6 2022 16:33 utc | 604

My point, not very clear, was that Westerners think that when Soviet Union came to existence all commercial activity with Capitalist countries were out of question. They read/heard about sanctions (like today) thinking, "No business with Commies".

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 6 2022 15:44 utc | 597

It is obviously a myth. The sundering is mostly for the proles and culture. Key economical figures, in charge of key economical pursuits will almost always find a way to ignore or circumvent existing barriers. You don't even need to look at soviet history to realize this, a cursory look at entirely "liberal" recent trade forces is enough to disabuse one of such delusions; and it is of universal application.

Putin, like Stalin, is an enigma, but not the Russian mirror of the capitalist process underway in West. There are many layers.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 6 2022 14:45 utc | 583

Comrade Stalin is only an enigma when looked at through a liberal lens.

Stalin was the immediate descendant of workers and SERFS, a subject of the Russian empire but not a great-russian, a christian reject, a learned prole, an agitator and criminal against monarchy and capitalism, an escaped convict, a paramount political leader, and a victor against nazism.

Stalin lies in the line of fire of every current of hate from the liberal-fascist establishment of the west that keeps monarchy on life support long after its alloted time on this cursed earth, the system that has been taking shape from his times to ours. Racial, national, religious, political, legal, economical - And practical, because his faction WON; his faction emerged victorious against both internal and external enemies; by the sweat and blood of the soviet peoples and every other member of many, different peoples that couldn't see in their humane consciences to do anything else than help them. And only after death could any real moves be made against him and everything he stood for.

Stalin was the greatest leader of the 20th century, thus was our father, the Comrade of Steel.

Through communist, marxist, materialist values, Comrade Stalin not only makes perfect sense - he's a luciferian savior figure who stood against everything and succeeded, all for the common people, the workers and peasants and their children.

The legacy of Comrade Stalin will never be erased, regardless of enemy action. It may be tarnished, it may be diminished - but the mark on history is indelible.

"What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost."

-Stalin

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 16:49 utc | 605

Posted by: Piepenbrink | Apr 6 2022 14:30 utc | 577

Thanx for this very important text of GL Reshetnikov.
It explains a lot!

1. NATO tracking smartphones to target civilians.
2. RF fighting against C&C, military reconnaissance, early detection and strategy of the USA
3. The Ukro forces see the battlefield as the Empire of Looting and Lies wants them to see it.
4. The Ukro Forces will never surrender, as would every normal defeated army.
5. Russia is fighting remote led nazi zombi battalions.

Posted by: njet | Apr 6 2022 16:57 utc | 606

A musical offering for all those fighting fascism:

Shostakovich, Symphony No. 8 (1943)

Valery Gergiev, Chief Conductor of the Munich Philharmonic, was sacked on 1 March 2022 for refusing to condemn Russia's Operation Z.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 6 2022 5:51 utc | 388


Under the circumstances I prefer the Third Symphony, "Sevastopol" by Boris Tchaikovsky (no relation to Peter Ilyich).

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2022 12:28 utc | 529

*****

Oh this is beautiful! Thank you.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 6 2022 17:00 utc | 607

@Brannagyn #558:

Do be careful not to take everything you read purely at face value. While most of the information in the RT video seems reliable, they make a strange claim about Korotkikh doing a "Nazi Sun Salutation" when meeting Poroshenko. This is a fist to heart salute that I cannot find being linked to neoNazism, even at the site of the ADL who are quick to label anything they can as being far-right.

Just because you can’t find something at ADL’s website, doesn’t mean it’s not a Nazi thing.

The fist-to-heart salute is a shortened form of Ukrainian neo-Nazi salute; it is used when they are filmed at official events to avoid media fallout. The full Ukrainian neo-Nazi salute is fist to heart followed by Nazi salute (sometimes referred to as “від серця до сонця”—“from heart to sun”). Ukrainian neo-Nazis believe that their salute is “Roman salute”, even though the “Roman salute” didn’t have the fist-to-heart part (and wasn’t even Roman to begin with, but a late 19th century invention). This false belief is so widespread in Ukrainian society, that one can even find it in Ukrainian Wikipedia article on Nazi salute:

Нацистське вітання часто плутають з американським «салютом Белламі» та римським салютом, оскільки воно було запозичене нацистами з Італії, де використовувалося як вітання фашистів. Однак при римському вітанні рука іде до вітального жесту від серця, у той час як у нацистському воно йде одразу від землі. У фашистському вітанні поєдналися елементи історичного староримського салюту та урочистий жест християн.

The Nazi salute is often confused with the American "Bellamy salute" and the Roman salute, as it was borrowed by the Nazis from Italy, where it was used as Fascists salute. However, in the Roman salute the hand goes to the congratulatory gesture from the heart, while in the Nazi salutation it goes immediately from the ground. The fascist salute combined elements of the historical Roman salute and the solemn gesture of Christians.

Again, the claim that in the “Roman salute” the hand goes “from the heart” is bogus, but that’s what Ukrainian neo-Nazis believe and what Ukrainians have put in their Wikipedia.

One other thing to mention is that when the U.S. Congress has codified the Bellamy salute in Public Law 77-623 passed on June 22, 1942, it described “hand over heart” followed by the extended arm salute, but the hand in the “hand over heart” part was a palm, not a fist (the salute was later reduced to just the “hand over heart” part).

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 17:05 utc | 608

I am beginning to understand why is there a relatively slow progress on the battlefields of Ukraine. Russian combined forces are not only fighting Ukrainians. They are fighting NATO communications, surveying and target allocation. They are constantly surveyed from the air, and from the space and that information is instantly fed to Ukrainians on the front. Russians do not want to use their electronic suppression and jamming beyond what is absolutely necessary. They are also closely monitoring NATO operations and learning. All of this is potentially reserved for some later stage of military-technical measures. Slow progress does hurt in a sense that it costs more in human lives and material, but the end result is inevitably be the same. Russians know that there is no way back, now that the Rubicon is crossed. Economy needs to learn and adapt. As time passes western sanctions will begin to bite more and more. At some point the panic of stagflation in Europe and then inevitably in the US will start to spread. This is when potentially a strong new military push might happen. And this time not necessarily only against Ukraine.

Posted by: Milos | Apr 6 2022 17:08 utc | 609

@423
Were it to transpire that there are Nato officers in Mariupol and were these officers to fall into the custody of the forces of the Donetsk People's Republic and Russia, then that would create a dilemma for the Nato states to whose armies these officers belong.

Suppose a British Army Major is captured.
Should he be treated by the Russians and Donetsk soldiers as a Prisoner of War, or should he be treated as a foreign criminal?
On the one hand HMG might, for the sake of the Major, wish him to be accorded the protections of a POW. But on the other hand, were HMG to formally request that, they would be implying that a state of war existed between the United Kingdom and the Russian Federation with all the serious implication that would imply.
This would put HMG or any other Nato government in an invidious position.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Apr 6 2022 17:10 utc | 610

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2022 12:28 utc | 529

Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 6 2022 17:00 utc | 608

I'm not too given to classical music, call me low-brow, I have nothing against it either.

But I can immediately "recognize" this piece ("sevastopol"), or at least some of its elements, from other more recent stuff I've listened to; either it is influential by itself or it has a well-rehearsed place within its artistic continuum.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 17:11 utc | 611

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 16:49 utc | 606

Your country is very lucky that this wile Georgian outsmarted that "duck" Bronstein else I suspect Russia would have exploded into fragments. The conditions then were ripe for that to happen. But instead the "Man of Steel" firmly gripped the reins of power, and managing to navigate Russia through are very dangerous time. Stalin understood the Beast.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 6 2022 17:13 utc | 612

Addendum to #609

Here’s a song titled “From Heart to Sun” by a band named Edelweiss, which styles the “ss” in its name as double sig-runes of Nazi SS. The description says “Dedicated to our friends and fans in Ukraine”. (It also hilariously claims that “This channel does not support or advocate Nazism”, even though it obviously does.)

Here’s another song, titled “Від серця до сонця” (“From Heart to Sun”) by a Ukrainian band from Zaporozhye named Banderstadt ZP, with the “Bander-” part referring to Stepan Bandera, the leader of OUN-B.

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 17:26 utc | 613

Your country is very lucky that this wile Georgian outsmarted that "duck" Bronstein else I suspect Russia would have exploded into fragments. The conditions then were ripe for that to happen. But instead the "Man of Steel" firmly gripped the reins of power, and managing to navigate Russia through are very dangerous time. Stalin understood the Beast.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 6 2022 17:13 utc | 613

Excuse me, but which country do you think you're talking about?

Sorry if that doesn't sound too polite.

I'm not of russian or soviet ancestry or upbringing. Neither am I any sort of native english speaker or their progeny. My english is largely self-taught except verbal tenses and some other critical elements.

Otherwise I largely agree with your reply. Bronstein had some contributions that were worthwhile in their context, and a legitimate if controversial place; but ultimately became a tool for insidious dark forces that overtook his potential and dare I say his person. He is lionized by some precisely because of his ineffectualness and clandestine, effective alignment.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 17:26 utc | 614

Holy shit. Go read the GRU Iraq war files and then come back and talk deep understanding of what’s happening on the ground in Ukraine. We don’t know. Most of may not live long enough to read a true history of these events. But you can be sure that they’re far more complex than we perceive.

Most likely, Russia could have taken everything to Kiev in 5 weeks, but it would have involved massive civilian casualties and destroyed Ukraine’s 2022 agricultural season. I’m annoyed by the west’s weird idea that Ukrainians and Russians are different. I’d expect better from this commentariat but I guess I was wrong. The two things that will turn Russians against Putin are 1. backing down on this and reaching a shitty agreement with the west and 2. Indiscriminately killing civilians who all have relatives and friends in Russia.

If it wasn’t Bucha it would be somewhere else. There’s nothing Russia can do about this behavior and media operation. And of course there are brutal psychopaths and even neo-Nazis in the Russian army. It’s an army. The US army has plenty too. The only thing a nation can control really is not letting the psychopaths determine policy. Ukraine clearly disagrees.

Russia isn’t fighting a war for our entertainment, nor does it have anything to do with some bullshit good vs evil fantasy. It’s politics by other means, same as it ever was and same as it always will be.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 6 2022 17:27 utc | 615

Posted by: Chas | Apr 6 2022 16:14 utc | 603

Here's an idea for a prisoner exchange: How about trading one or more of the NATO high profile prisoners for Julian Assange?

I'll sign that!

Posted by: Seer | Apr 6 2022 17:40 utc | 616

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 17:26 utc | 615

People make mistakes.

I had the impression from the way you constructed your sentences that you were Russian. Irregardless, it does not change what the rest of my comment conveyed. I see Stalin as a positive force in Russian history. Not well received in my western circle of friends, but then THEY DON'T READ History.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 6 2022 17:51 utc | 617

I think maria is right on spot in #440.

Just last week Ursula von der Leichen authorized transmission of all EU member citizen's personal data to the United States.No debate,just a dictatorship decision.

I think we are on the road to the culling of people with deviant opinions on an industrial scale,made possible by internet surveillance,smart electricity meters that signal if you are at home,and that enable cutting off your DC connection from some office desk.You open the door to see what's going on,and flash! there's the gassing drone,the jihadi cutthroat or the nazi-squad or whatever they find suitable to make you meet your maker.

Here in France we have those meters,called Linky,35 million good functioning meters are replaced more or less with insistance and cheating.They send a signal every ten seconds to their central scrutinizer.

I really do not want to live in such a world,us europeans possess no arms,and as I stated before,you americans do possess,but you do not use them in the proper way you should...

Posted by: willie | Apr 6 2022 18:28 utc | 618

Cont’d from #609

Yuriy Kamelchuk, Servant of the People Party MP, has argued on a Nash TV channel talk show broadcasted on April 10, 2021 that a Nazi salute performed by a Ukrainian neo-Nazi at a rally doesn’t really count, because it’s a “Roman salute”:

Я буду наполягати на історичній справедливості. Перший випадок – він ні був зігуванням. Можете мені заперечувати, як завгодно. Ви можете знайти в Інтернеті, у відкритих, закритих джерелах, запитати в істориків, що таке Римське привітання, а що таке зігування.

I will insist on historical justice. The first instance—it wasn’t a Nazi salute. You can argue against me all you want. You can find it on the internet, in open, closed sources, ask historians, what is a Roman salute and, in comparison, what is a Nazi salute.

It’s clear that he believes there’s a difference in these salutes. That’s because Ukrainian neo-Nazis believe the difference is that the Roman salute starts with the fist-to-heart gesture (not true, but that’s what they believe).

He then argued that if one holds the pinky with the thumb and spreads the remaining three fingers—thus imitating the trident that serves as the Ukrainian coat of arms—when doing a Nazi salute, then that’s not a Nazi salute either.

Next time people tell you that the neo-Nazi parties in the Ukraine are only getting 2% of the vote, show them this clip where an MP of the Servant of the People Party (which got 43% of the vote in 2019 parliamentary elections) openly defends a Nazi salute by claiming it’s not because it starts differently.

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 19:10 utc | 619

Lex @616--

... nor does it have anything to do with some bullshit good vs evil fantasy. It’s politics by other means, same as it ever was and same as it always will be.

I disagree here 100% as ridding Ukraine of Nazism is a Good vs Evil reality as expressed by several members of Russia's MFA and by Putin himself. And intertwined with the Nazi Evil is the Russophobic Evil. Apparently you don't know what the goals were for Plan Ost, but they differed little from the post-war planes to obliterate Russia using nukes, nor from the goal promulgated in The Grand Chessboard by yet another NAZI, for that's what Brezenski was. Time to awaken to the reality of what's happening.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2022 19:26 utc | 620

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 6 2022 13:45 utc | 559

Not so
Australia has lots of coal. Biggest issue is shipping it to Europe. And of couirse the anti coal mining Greens

Posted by: watcher | Apr 6 2022 20:36 utc | 621

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 16:49 utc | 606

Thanks very much for all your posts and for Tom's replies. Very educational.
I spend most of my time these days unlearning western History.

Posted by: K | Apr 6 2022 21:36 utc | 622

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2022 17:35 utc | 141


You are clearly a troll, and not a very bright one at that. Please desist.

Posted by: Scrutiny | Apr 6 2022 21:47 utc | 623

Ostro at 443
That was a fantastic post. Thanks very much.

Posted by: Australian lady | Apr 6 2022 22:54 utc | 624

Where's the "Dutchman"?

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Apr 7 2022 1:12 utc | 625

@S - 609

Thanks for the response, I was wondering why RT would make this claim and I think you have hit on the reason . For future reference I found this description.

Description: the open palm of the right hand with fingers folded towards each other touches the left side of the chest, where the heart is anatomically located, then sharply rushes forward and upward, while the person’s gaze rushes up to the Sun, since it is with such a gesture that a person welcomes and connects with him by the energy path through your right hand. It was a description of the gesture "from the heart to the Sun", when throwing a ridge and establishing a high-quality energy connection, the formation of a zig rune is also important, for this the palm of the left hand should lie with the inside on the stomach.

Of course, the fact that the fist to chest is also a traditional Slavic gesture means that it is a near-perfect excuse only undone by the fact that such people invariably make their ideology known in practically everything they say and do.

Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 7 2022 1:32 utc | 626

#611

How about “unlawful combatant”. Per US definition that means he/they wouldn’t be protected under the Geneva Convention and since DPR has the death penalty…

Posted by: Krypton | Apr 7 2022 1:52 utc | 627

RIP Zhirinovsky,

I used to enjoy his fiery appearances on Vesti and more often than not sided with his views.
He will be missed. May he rest in Peace.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 7 2022 2:11 utc | 628

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2022 15:24 utc | 591

Thank you, karlof1, again. The original Flying Dutchman was satanically inspired.

Enough said.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 7 2022 2:13 utc | 629

Where's the "Dutchman"?

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Apr 7 2022 1:12 utc | 626

H/s/it has posted over on the Saker's site. Seemed peeved.

_I'm_ getting peeved at the Saker's emotionalism, in reaction to the Great Russia Hate, which is degrading his analysis.

nightvision's sitreps are good and should be double-posted here, unless he's GRU or something.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 2:18 utc | 630

It has been very enlightening to read the General's assessment on the intelligence help the Ukrainian armed Forces get from NATO. Several times, the West
complained that Russia has not been using its EW arsenal. Several AWACS were spotted over the Black Sea and others over Poland and Rumania.

Quite a lot of info gathering assets, Many times Nato countries ascertained that they fed info to the Ukies.

Question is, wouldn't Russia be justified in downing these assets? They could enlist the services of the Iranians that seem to have the knowledge and equipment to divert them. Or just shoot them as well as the satellites doing that kind of work.

For sure the guilt feelings of MATO would preclude any further escalation over the loss of these aircraft. Russia would be justified into claiming legitimate self defense over these shootings.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 7 2022 2:23 utc | 631

@karlof1 | Apr 5 2022 23:39 utc | 313

I greatly desire the complete collapse of this Evil Empire despite the harm that might befall me and those I love because it must be stopped.


Thank you for the work that you do. Working for truth is the most noble cause.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 6 2022 6:19 utc | 396

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Second that. Thanks, Karl, for all the detailed statements and press conferences --- overwhelming evidence, hard and circumstantial, proving beyond any reasonable doubt that Bucha atrocity was a total false-flag fabrication by the Empire of Lies and Hate to impugn Russia. Hideous, unfathomable Evil. For humanity's sake, it must be vanquished.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 7 2022 2:26 utc | 632

Holy shit. Go read the GRU Iraq war files and then come back and talk deep understanding of what’s happening on the ground in Ukraine. We don’t know.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 6 2022 17:27 utc | 616

I agree. If only the armchair computer screen generals could understand this... and spare us their useless emotions. Thank you.

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 7 2022 22:26 utc | 633

When everything will be history, wondering how the journalists who spread so many lies will try to justify their lies. Some shit weekly French newspaper is writing that the nazis in Ukraine are an invention of the Russian propaganda. Go figure!

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 7 2022 22:31 utc | 634

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 19:10 utc | 620


Cont’d from #609
Yuriy Kamelchuk, Servant of the People Party MP, has argued on a Nash TV channel talk show broadcasted on April 10, 2021 that a Nazi salute performed by a Ukrainian neo-Nazi at a rally doesn’t really count, because it’s a “Roman salute”

This is awesome. I believe this means I can wear my swastika emblems and explain that it's not a NAZI Swastika but a Buddhist one!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 2:57 utc | 635

I don't know. "France, Germany, Britain, Sweden", that sound like gaslighting and desinformation cum limited hangout to me. Good old allies screwing up.

I still think it's CIA operatives that are stuck in Azovstal. Maybe they were running that "pit", who knows (though I'm sceptical to that tale too).

Maybe they brought their asserted passports, but the Russians better not believe it. They need to be interrogated.

Posted by: veto | Apr 8 2022 17:01 utc | 636

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