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April 24, 2022

How Not To Report On Ukraine

Sitting in New York and London three New York Times writer penned a current above the fold piece on events in Ukraine. It is headlined:

As Western Arms Pour Into Ukraine, Zelensky Promises Victory

A version of the piece also appeared in print on April 24, 2022, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline:

As Heavy Arms Arrive, Ukraine Gets a Boost In Defending the East.

The 'report' seems to be an attempt to summarize the current situation in Ukraine. But the choice of voices quoted in it does not give me any confidence that it is painting a realistic picture:

President Volodymyr Zelensky ... expressed ...
Mr. Zelensky said ...
Mr. Zelensky said ...
The Pentagon and the State Department declined to comment
Mr. Zelensky said ...
Military analysts said ...
Britain’s Ministry of Defense said ...
The ministry said ...
Canada on Friday announced ...
... after President Biden announced ...
Mr. Zelensky reiterated ...
... the Ukrainian defense intelligence agency warned ...
It also said ...
The secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, Oleksiy Danilov, said ...
... The Associated Press reported.
... an aide to the city’s mayor said.
Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Iryna Venediktova, said ...
... Ukrainian officials said.
... said Andriy Yermak, the head of the presidential administration.
Mr. Zelensky reacted angrily ... denouncing ... and asking ...
Photographs and video from the scene appeared to show ...
Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said on Twitter ...
... the region’s governor said.
... the Ukrainian military claimed
Mr. Zelensky seized on a Russian general’s statement ...
... Mr. Zelensky said.
Military and political analysts have cast doubt ...
But the commander’s hint ...
... the Moldovan government summoned ...
Poland, ... , said ...
Lesia Vasylenko, a Ukrainian lawmaker, shared a photograph on Twitter ... that she said ...
... she wrote ...

To me it seems that there is something amiss with this piece.

Posted by b on April 24, 2022 at 9:18 UTC | Permalink

Comments

The usual western press release. We aren't blind deaf and dumb.

Posted by: Gareth Richmond | Apr 24 2022 9:23 utc | 1

Interpretation:- Russia and the liberation forces have won :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 9:26 utc | 2

Will enjoy when the colors no longer wash on the painted western narrative... a reality that cannot be sustained...

great to see you back in good form of late B 👏

Posted by: MadMax2 | Apr 24 2022 9:29 utc | 3

Meanwhile, as tax payer subsidized arms pour into Ukraine, breadlines grow, foodbanks proliferate, healthcare is all but unaffordable to many.
It's good to know the caring MSM and Government have our backs.

Posted by: Henry Smith | Apr 24 2022 9:38 utc | 4

Excellent piece, b. Displaying that legendary German productivity of late!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 24 2022 9:41 utc | 5

Excellent piece, b. Displaying that legendary German productivity of late!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 24 2022 9:41 utc | 6

Obvious propaganda, but huge pressure for a false flag event to cover up their lies about winning

Posted by: Jimmy Walter | Apr 24 2022 9:48 utc | 7

First hand description of events on the ground is becoming a scarse resource in the the 'news' of western journalism. Virtual realitiy is the most we can get of it. Why am I not surprised with the shrinking market of newspapers?

Posted by: António Ferrão | Apr 24 2022 9:51 utc | 8

Today is the second and final vote of the presidential elections in France. I note the following mechanisms to influence the vote:

- The EU Anti-Fraud Office accuses Marine Le Pen of embezzling 617,000 euros of public money from the European Parliament.
- The EU will impose an embargo on Russian oil but not before the second round of the French elections, to ensure that rising prices at the pump do not boost Marine Le Pen

All candidates are equal, but some candidates are more equal than others.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 24 2022 9:55 utc | 9

The people in the tent (see https://postimg.cc/6TkbpKy2) have definitely got the upper hand.

Posted by: Butties | Apr 24 2022 10:14 utc | 10

Indeed. That type of one-sided journalism is why people like me seek out sites like this one. A broader range of views is good.

Posted by: D J G | Apr 24 2022 10:16 utc | 11

Yes, I find there is something missing. I await the straight scoop from Victoria Nuland.

Posted by: johnf | Apr 24 2022 10:22 utc | 12

Yes b, the line of coke is missing. There is a video but although it may be bullshit, he is a coke snorter and to keep up with the times and the risks involved, most likely tops up on other suitable substances.

That is the main missing link. Martyanov done a talking head on the rationality of the the current powers that be in the US ... not just Martyanov, that stuff i run onto what Fraser was saying some years ago even though what I had been looking for is deleted from the record.

Fraser matched with lira's video talking head on Nuland and the mind set of that sort of people...
Nukes or not, its Armageddon for the west. All the books are burned in the inquisition.
Places of learning pop out pellets that build up a dunghill.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 10:24 utc | 13

the collective west just lost another trillion in printed inflation to kill another 20k Ukrainians.
well this sux.
dear russia, start dropping flyers of kiev sumi, All if Donbas showing videos of you feeding and doctoring all the already surrender pows.
followed with the slogan,
don't let the nazis force you to death,
rise up against them,
or surrender ,live amd be fed!

Posted by: CryptoAlchemist Burn | Apr 24 2022 10:57 utc | 14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 11:05 utc | 15

Excellent piece, b. Displaying that legendary German productivity of late!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 24 2022 9:41 utc | 5

b is certainly at full - and glorious - productivity of late. The price of energy being what it is, I'm not sure you can say the same of German industry.

Posted by: johnfh | Apr 24 2022 11:07 utc | 16

That last one was a premature ejaculation.

Things go better with coke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 11:07 utc | 17

I've seen one video where Zelinsky speaks about how nice a line of coke is in the mornings. It's an old video from his comedy era. The image has low quality and could be a voice over... Didn't save the bookmark though.

This other one is said to have been posted on his own Twitter and promptly deleted. He's doing a Zoom conference with Elon Musk and some other dude, with a handful of coke on the table. If it is computer generated, it's damn good.

https://t.me/salovnarezku/1975

Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Apr 24 2022 11:18 utc | 18

Slow news day, b! Maybe when the promised "attack on a church service" provocation occurs, it will pick up. :-)

From Pepe Escobar's Telegram channel:

"We are the Spetsnaz of the information war. And we take no prisoners." LOL

Yup, slow news day from the Russian MoD Telegram channel...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision ground-based missiles near Pavlograd have destroyed the workshops of an explosives and gunpowder manufacturing facility for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 9 Ukrainian military facilities.

Including 1 command post of AFU brigade, 4 strong points and places of concentration of manpower and military equipment, as well as 4 missile and artillery weapons depots near Barvenkovo, Novaya Dmitrovka and Ivanovka in Kharkov Region.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 26 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 1 battalion's command and observation post, as well as 25 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration. Up to 150 nationalists, as well as more than 40 armoured vehicles and cars, were destroyed.

Missile troops and artillery carried out 423 firing missions. Destroyed: 26 command posts, 367 strong points and areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 25 artillery batteries positions. 4 missile and artillery weapons and ammunition depots near Gusarovka and Velikaya Kamyshevaha were destroyed.

Russian air defence means destroyed 10 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Barvinok, Vasilievka, Krasnogorovka, Kremennaya, Novyi Pervomaisk, Poltavka, Tomarino, Fedorovka and Yasinovatoe.

In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 551 unmanned aerial vehicles, 264 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,496 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 282 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,093 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,343 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 11:32 utc | 19

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 23 2022 15:43 utc | 80
(about the destruction of the US economy and planes crashing into food plants in the US.)

I humbly suggest you go over to New Eastern Outlook and read the contributions made by F William Engdahl and you will find your suspicions are more founded than you think.

Posted by: Down South | Apr 23 2022 18:36 utc | 102
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I did. I read Engdahl's article. They are well analyzed, I fully agree. For example, he describes what an absurdity it is to believe that the current "inflation" can be countered by higher interest rates. The rising prices are not due to an overheated economy, but to the scarcity of essential raw materials on the markets, especially diesel, due to sanctions.

Engdahl compares the fact that the FED is now reacting to these rising prices with higher interest rates to "wanting to put out a fire with kerosene." He says they are "lying".

His articles usually end with a reference to "Davos" and a "New World Order". In other words, they know what they're doing and they do it on purpose. The Fed is destroying the current global economic world order fully aware of what it is doing.

But one question remains completely open: for what purpose? What is the goal? Cui bono?
It doesn't make any sense. If I follow the cui bono principle, I will find Xi and Putin.

Are they behind Davos? LOL!

Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 11:35 utc | 20

New York Times readers are a sharply delineated group. They do not read to learn what is happening in the world. They read to learn what is expected of them.

There is no reality test. The test is that they can speak with other NYT readers and thereby define themselves. In their view membership in the group makes them superior. Any who would question their elevated state of being are clearly Trump lovers. Trump being a puppet of Putin. Who is the Devil.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 24 2022 11:36 utc | 21

Comment from https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel, which is likely spot on...

Briefly about how the Russian offensive in the Donbass "fails".

Any offensive requires preparation. Reconnaissance, air strikes, plan adjustments. Right now, this stage is going on, which Ukraine takes for a "failure of the offensive." And even aviation has not yet joined the work, since the matter must be approached responsibly.

When the order is given to move forward, the APU will immediately feel it. I’ll tell you in secret that the beginning of the offensive of the RF Armed Forces in the Donbass will not be like any classic trick that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their teachers from NATO and the USA have seen before. There will be something completely unexpected.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 11:40 utc | 22

You gotta see this video! Two absolutely perfect Kalibre hits spot on target! Hitting some arms storage facility in Lviv, supposedly.

https://t.me/anna_news/29509
"A beautiful double arrival of "Caliber" through a large logistics center in Lviv, where Western weapons were brought. April 18, 2022"

I uploaded a copy of the video to my Google Drive - link is here (50 Seconds - 3MB Mp4 video):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g_qcODigo0lsE3xFe3xfg8ecGRl_zNDo/view?usp=sharing

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 11:51 utc | 23

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 24 2022 11:36 utc | 20

Pegged'em! No truer words have ever been written. TX!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 24 2022 11:51 utc | 24

I listened to Robert Scheer's podcast last night as he interviewed Daniel Ellsburg, discussing whether Putin (of course) would go nuclear. I stopped listening when Ellsburg said he was sure Zelensky really was heroic.

Posted by: lindaj | Apr 24 2022 11:53 utc | 25

RSH
"We are the Spetsnaz of the information war. And we take no prisoners." LOL

It was a slow new day while napoleon was sitting in Moscow waiting for an answer that never came. well perhaps that is not quite correct because the answer came in deeds rather than words on paper.
Well perhaps that is not even correct because Napoleon shit himself when he received no answer and decided description was the better part of velour.not good when the Russians stop talking, not that they're chatterboxes.

Fuck, its like when I was a kid and watching Roadrunner and Wily E Coyote. - We had a black and white tv sometime before I was in my teens. I still like watching those. US gets an acme box of tricks and is going to catch Russian road runner.

That's about where we're at, only difference its not a kids cartoon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 11:58 utc | 26

Saw this quote on a Telegram channel by Trump in reference to Biden's greeting empty air in his last public appearance...

"Unfortunately, we have a president who absolutely does not understand what is happening. He shakes hands with the air. He's walking around in circles, confused... There's nothing good about following the Easter bunny's orders."

LOL Personally I never saw Trump as much better. He can't put two words together to make a sentence, either, if it's not script written. But one has to admit, he doesn't seem to have ever shaken hands with air.

2024 is going to be an insane year with these two... "Mother Russia, rain down, down, down..."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:00 utc | 27

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 11:58 utc | 25

Biden as Elmer Fudd, Putin as Bugs Bunny. "What's up, Doc?"

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:02 utc | 28

Rumor from https://t.me/sputnik Telegram Channel...

The Canadian Lieutenant General is currently in Ukraine as a "volunteer," writes the Ottawa Citizen.

According to the Ministry of National Defense, Trevor Cadier resigned from the Canadian Armed Forces on April 5, after which he went to Ukraine with the intention of becoming a "volunteer" in the army of this country, the newspaper writes.

According to the sources of the publication, the top military leadership of Canada was informed about Kadye's decision to go to Ukraine.

It is also possible that the Canadian general may be in Mariupol.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:05 utc | 29

Clearly, if you want to know some truth about the situation in Ukraine, The New York Times is not the place to go. Right now I would much rather refer to people on the ground, such as the brave Patrick Lancaster on site in Mariupol or the incredibly insightful and filter-less analyses by Gonzalo Lira who has just resurfaced after a week of detention by the SBU in Kharkov, Ukraine.

I have just listened to a new interview with Gonzalo by Richard Medhurst which I would recommend to all who want to stay informed. Note that the title of the interview is misleading because he talks almost nothing about his arrest, he is legally bound not to do so due to the "ongoing investigation" into his case. Instead, Gonzalo gives extensive analysis of the overall situation and where it is all heading. There are many truth bombs there.

Gonzalo Lira SPEAKS OUT About His Arrest in Ukraine

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 12:08 utc | 30

Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:02 utc | 27

Getting close there, but i'm not going to type too much because as my booze levels go up, my typing skills go down.. though first thing when I wake up I have typed stuff that even I have difficulty reading.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 12:08 utc | 31

he describes what an absurdity it is to believe that the current "inflation" can be countered by higher interest rates. The rising prices are not due to an overheated economy, but to the scarcity of essential raw materials on the markets, especially diesel, due to sanctions.

He may be partially correct but it is certain you do not have to run such a lax monetary policy with negative deposit rates in EU and farcical interest rates of 0.5-1.00% in the face of massive injections of QE into the financial system over 14 years.

They are left with the fateful choice of collapsing the FIRE Sector which is debt laden or destroying society itself BECAUSE USA permitted Banks to enter Futures Markets and engage in Speculation on Commodities.......

Banks need huge Credit Lines to keep these positions and are trading much more Oil than oil companies and much more Food than Food companies or farmers.

Turning the whole Commodities sector into a Financial Speculators Party was Criminally Insane

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 12:09 utc | 32

That's about where we're at, only difference its not a kids cartoon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 11:58 utc | 25

Yes, Road Runner fits this surprisingly well, Ms. Nuland makes a great Coyote, Putin a fine Road Runner.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 24 2022 12:10 utc | 33

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:00 utc | 26

Trump had his 4 years - showed us what he could do - he should not get another term

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 12:11 utc | 34

From Donbass Insider Telegram channel... If this is true, then every member of the Ukrainian armed forces is a war criminal...which is probably why the Ukrainian military put up significant resistance. They're afraid the Russians will find out.

https://t.me/donbassinsider/8015

“They came up with a rite of passage through blood. All newcomers [to the Armed Forces] were forced to kill a prisoner or a civilian. And it was all videotaped"

As a scout of the 57th brigade, who surrendered, said, the Ukrainian command recorded these videos so that "no one would get out in case of something."

The fighters who retreated during the battle were threatened with fire by their own.

“A sniper with the call sign Voron took up a position in the rear and warned that he would kill anyone who was running in the wrong direction.”

Video of the People's Militia of the LPR.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:12 utc | 35

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 12:08 utc | 29

Patrick lancaster is superb.
Also watch. Anne Laure Bonnel who is very good and has been in Donbass since 2014

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 12:12 utc | 36

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 12:11 utc | 33

Preaching to the choir. I thought Trump was the worst President in history - but Biden is beating him. As an anarchist, of course, I couldn't care less who gets elected - but getting me killed in WWIII is a no-no.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:14 utc | 37


Patrick lancaster is superb.
Also watch: Anne Laure Bonnel who is very good and has been in Donbass since 2014


Motion heartily seconded, for both of them.

Posted by: Lapin | Apr 24 2022 12:18 utc | 38

@Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 11:05 utc | 14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM
This reminds me of another video (that I can't remember the name of now) that starts with a young boy singing what seems to be a beautiful solo in the sunshine, but as the camera gradually zooms out it turns into an aggressive nazi hate session.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 12:21 utc | 39

Posted by: johnfh | Apr 24 2022 11:07 utc | 15


b is certainly at full - and glorious - productivity of late. The price of energy being what it is, I'm not sure you can say the same of German industry.

That could explain it. He's trying to keep warm!

... Ok, I'll see myself out.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 24 2022 12:23 utc | 40

Nothing missing. Well, maybe a messenger who might be killed.

Posted by: Leuk | Apr 24 2022 12:24 utc | 41

From Colonel Cassad Telegram channel... Also mentioned by Pepe Escobar... Expect this coming to the US - except of course they're already doing it without orders...

While we are being issued penny fines for violating Russian law, Europe is showing how BigTech should be censored by passing a draconian law to regulate social networks.

Google, Meta, Amazon and Apple will have to remove content that does not meet the official information policy of European states on the issue of the war in Ukraine and fight "Russian disinformation". Otherwise, as in the case of other violations, they will be fined 6% of world income. (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/04/23/tech-giants-forced-tackle-russian-disinformation/). 6% fine on annual turnover, this is for the first violation. If repeated - removal from the European market

Among other innovations.

1. Prohibition of advertisements aimed at children or based on sensitive data such as religion, gender, race and political opinions. Hello Cambridge Analytics.

2. Allowing EU governments to request the removal of illegal content, including material promoting terrorism, child sexual abuse, hate speech and commercial fraud.

3. Forcing social media platforms to allow users to flag illegal content in a "easy and effective way" so that it can be removed quickly.

The law will come into force in 2024.

The Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/04/23/tech-giants-forced-tackle-russian-disinformation/)
Tech giants to be forced to tackle Russian disinformation
New rules in Europe will make Big Tech tackle online war propaganda and harmful content in major clampdown

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:29 utc | 42

In praising the puppet/actor/coke fiend Zelenskyy, Ellsberg reveals himself as a "Limited Hangout" and "Controlled Opposition". Many high to medium profile media personalities (influencers!) are likewise revealing themselves.
Everyone is suspect. And Billionaires are not our friends.

If "their" billionaires are oligarchs, then it stands to reason that "our" billionaires are likewise oligarchs.
(...But our billionaires are light-hearted and fun!)

PS
The NYT never saw a war for US empire and Israel that it didn't promote.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Apr 24 2022 12:42 utc | 43

As Western Arms Pour Into Ukraine, Zelensky Promises Victory
...
Mr. Zelensky reacted angrily ... denouncing ... and asking ...

Eh!!?? Zelensky doesn't want victory? Or maybe it was an empty promise?

I didn't read the article of course, why should I? NYT after all.

Posted by: BM | Apr 24 2022 12:43 utc | 44

Zelenskyy and a script can go toe to toe with Biden, Trump, Trudeau, Macron, Johnson - any of the other clowns. Such is the level of intellect, brain power and deep thought among our "leaders". What a grand and sad circus!

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Apr 24 2022 12:50 utc | 45

It's all a bit 1984, isn't it? Everyone is obliged to agree with the establishment narrative.
British and American sports(wo-)men and teams weren't banned during the Iraq war. Saudi Arabia hasn't been ostracised because of what they are doing in Yemen. Israel is allowed to do what it like to Palestinians with impunity.
The double-standard is blatant. They aren't even pretending that everyone plays by the same rules any more. If you're America's mate, you can do what you like, but if you're America's enemy, all of a sudden the rules apply to you.

Posted by: D J G | Apr 24 2022 12:52 utc | 46

https://t.me/intelslava/26592

This is video of a pro-Azov demonstration in NYC. Really not that huge for New York, they do have a bit of fervor going. Please note that Ukraine and Azov are considered equivalent.

This is what my neighbors look like. Would you want to argue with them? Do you expect the non-Ukrainians in the mix want to get into it with this crew? It is exactly like having a full time resident occupation army.

The allies are the Ukrainian Jews. Everyone who ever identified as a Russian Jew is now a Ukrainian Jew. Half those who used to say they were Lithuanian Jews are now Ukrainian Jews. There are now a small group of ultra-Orthodox and thoroughly military kibbutzim in Ukraine and they love Azov. Local Jews form ranks behind their brethren in Ukraine and woe to any who speak against the tribe.

The crew in the video are the limit on speech. NYT is not going to go against that. Washington is not going to go against that. The Vindman twins still parked in the West Wing are the spokespersons for that. From what I hear Brighton Beach is even worse than Ukrainian Village here. Matters not that Brighton Beach is Jewish, they are Ukrainians also and impossible to speak of one without the other.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 24 2022 12:52 utc | 47

Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 11:35 utc | 19

"But one question remains completely open: for what purpose? What is the goal? Cui bono?
It doesn't make any sense. If I follow the cui bono principle, I will find Xi and Putin.

Are they behind Davos? LOL!"

Or is Davis behind them? Put another way: it seem likely that Uber-transfer of manufacturing to China stripping the US bare of the same was a deliberate ploy to weaken US thereby making them dependent on emerging supra-nation-states world order.

Are leaders like Xi and Putin in on this sort of thing or unwitting players or fighting against? Very hard to read though clearly high level world class skullduggery is in the mix.

So although it seems that way right now am leary of overly cartoonish roles emerging like US totally corrupt, Putin & Russia as White Knights or Angels saving the world, China as a transactional mercantilist industrial city-building world power providing stable, non-ideological growth to Eurasian Middle Kingdom reincarnation etc...

War happens when there are conflicting versions of who gets to determine what reality. Could be different versions of bad, or good, or good vs bad.

One clearly good thing Imo right now during fog of war: that 'Empire of Lies' moniker. It rings true. That Empire is evil. It's got to be exposed and dismantled, whether or not this current Battle of Ukraine will achieve that. And that is already a huge thing determining which will entirely transform the world.

If we get there, then can start to determine the other stuff.

In any case, that Empire of Lies' feels like it packs a sincere punch, is a real rhetorical kill shot,so I hope that proves true as part of something good.

Thank you Down South. Will check out your recommendation.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 24 2022 12:52 utc | 48

As the NYT and others levy their usual tripe on Ukraine, keep watch on the rapidly emerging arms and EUFOR troops build-up situation in Bosnia, where I, who served two SFOR tours, out of safety concerns moved my family out of three weeks ago. That wayward Ukie drone flying into Zagreb was also a heavy motivator. ;)

https://avaz.ba/vijesti/bih/736253/senad-masovic-ekskluzivno-za-avaz-bih-dobiva-americke-javeline-i-rakete-kratkog-i-srednjeg-dometa

Posted by: ERing46Z | Apr 24 2022 12:52 utc | 49

@38 The movie you are thinking of is Cabaret, with Liza Minnelli and Michael York. The blond haired child sings “tomorrow belongs to me” and it turns from a haunting solo to a Nazi marching song as the patrons in the beer garden all stand up and join in.Michael York turns to the (Jewish) character Max and says “And you still think you can control them?”

Posted by: MarkT | Apr 24 2022 13:01 utc | 50

RE: Norwegian/MarkT . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuHXTG3uyY

Posted by: Awe | Apr 24 2022 13:04 utc | 51

Current news coverage is largely circular reporting, an effort to reach a critical mass of approved outlets reading from the same approved sources. The sad thing is that it works.

The recent stories from the BBC, the Washington Post and other elements of the choir, on the supposed mass graves found near Mariupol that indicate more "Russian war crimes" are a good example. Even though we have Eva Bartlett on hand to show their claims are baseless and remind them how actual journalists used to verify events with first-hand, on-the-ground reporting, the sad fact is that despite her great work, for the public the dominant narrative will be whatever the gogglebox and the 'trusted voices' of the broadsheets tell them.

I am very circumspect when it comes to censorship of the press but there is an argument to be made that deliberate rumourmongering regarding international conflict is akin to the standard of shouting "Fire" in a theatre used to distinguish criminal acts from legitimate speech. Higher consequences for yellow journalism would probably be a good thing but, while censorship is increasing, it is utterly subjective and entirely politicised rather than governed by any neutral, objective standards.

Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 24 2022 13:10 utc | 52

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:05 utc | 28

If you follow the link to the original article, you'll find that this guy is quit a charming character:

A retired Canadian Forces lieutenant-general under investigation for alleged sexual misconduct is now in Ukraine.

Trevor Cadieu left the Canadian military on April 5, according to the Department of National Defence. He travelled to Ukraine shortly after with the intention to volunteer for that country’s military which is battling a Russian invasion, multiple defence sources confirmed to this newspaper.

Mariupol occurs likely to me...

Posted by: TomD | Apr 24 2022 13:11 utc | 53

About a month ago, this person wrote an excellent article about the "information war" and why Russia is not losing:

https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/27/russia-is-not-losing-the-information-war/

I read on Telegram today that the EU vassals made a new law promising fines if Google etc don't just peddle the official Western narrative. If the Ukranazi coup regime is in such a strong position, why should this be necessary?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 24 2022 13:12 utc | 54

Biden as Elmer Fudd, Putin as Bugs Bunny. "What's up, Doc?"

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:02 utc | 27

and Bolton as Yosemite Sam

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 13:18 utc | 55

And here we have it.


EU forces Google to wage information war on Russia — The Daily Telegraph

The British edition of The Daily Telegraph reported that the EU has passed a bill forcing Google, Meta, Amazon and Apple to remove content that does not meet the official information agenda of states.

In case of non-compliance with the new conditions, the world's giants will be fined 6% of the world's income.

For the largest technology companies, this could mean paying multi-billion dollar fines for the most serious violations

Posted by: Kim | Apr 24 2022 13:19 utc | 56

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:00 utc | 26

I wonder how many people got the Sisters Of Mercy reference

Posted by: Alex | Apr 24 2022 13:28 utc | 57

njet | Apr 24 2022 11:35 utc | 19

The purpose of the Fed's policy is to break the current favourable situation of workers in terms of wage demand potential. To do this, the Fed accepts a cooling of the economy, which should reduce the supply of jobs. Keeping humane labour costs low has absolute priority.

Under the given circumstances, however, this will at least lead to a deep recession.

Posted by: Pnyx | Apr 24 2022 13:28 utc | 58

The NYT never saw a war for US empire and Israel that it didn't promote.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Apr 24 2022 12:42 utc | 42

I think it backed Obama when he signed a peace treaty with Iran, showing a divergence of interests. The NYT's prime fealty is to the US state. Israel really wanted a proxy war in that case, and didn't get it.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 13:35 utc | 59


"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
"My feelings, as usual, we will slaughter them all."
"Our initial assessment is that they will all die."
"No I am not scared and neither should you be!"
"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes."
"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."
"Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality, whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege."
"Washington has thrown their soldiers on the fire."
"They fled. The American louts fled. Indeed, concerning the fighting waged by the heroes of the Arab Socialist Baath Party yesterday, one amazing thing really is the cowardice of the American soldiers. we had not anticipated this."
"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."
"They tried to bring a small number of tanks and personnel carriers in through al-Durah but they were surrounded and most of their infidels had their throats cut."
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

On Iraq's Military Strength

'We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels. We have driven them back."
"We have them surrounded in their tanks."
"We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."
"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues."
"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted."
"Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport. The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed."
"Their forces committed suicide by the hundreds. ... The battle is very fierce and God made us victorious. The fighting continues."
"Yesterday, we slaughtered them and we will continue to slaughter them."
"We will push those crooks, those mercenaries back into the swamp."
"We have retaken the airport. There are no Americans there. I will take you there and show you. In one hour."
"We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those who are staying in Washington and London have thrown these mercenaries in a crematorium."
"It has been rumored that we have fired Scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you, we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait."
"This boa, the American columns, are being besieged between Basra and other towns north, west, south and west of Basra....Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south, and west. We chase them here and they chase us there."
"By God, I think this is rather very unlikely. This is merely a prattle. The fact is that as soon as they reach Baghdad gates, we will besiege them and slaughter them....Wherever they go they will find themselves encircled."
"Listen, this explosion does not frighten us any longer. The cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catching them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target."

--- Baghdad Bob on the Invasion

[https://www.liveabout.com/baghdad-bob-quotes-4068522]


Next up,
Zel-whoopsky?

Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 13:36 utc | 60

re Lt Gen Cadieu:
"Retired Canadian lieutenant-general under police investigation for alleged sexual misconduct is now in Ukraine

"... Cadieu was to have taken over command of the Canadian army last September but that was derailed after military police began an investigation into what they termed “historical allegations.”

"Cadieu is a popular army officer and the police investigation into his actions has prompted social media comments of support for him.

In contrast, his alleged victim has faced comments posted online about her mental state and her alleged motives. Similar comments have been made during official meetings at the Department of National Defence headquarters, this newspaper has confirmed through multiple defence sources.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 13:42 utc | 61

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 12:29 utc | 42

Little problem where EU "Law" conflicts with National Constitutional Rights however.........EU is on very thin ice nowadays. These "Laws" need ratification in NATIONAL parliaments. Germany is usually very relaxed about ratification and has one of the biggest backlogs in EU. UK used to be gung-ho on implementing EU Regulations and gold-plating them.

I doubt this will go anywhere outside a few zealots like the Baltic Bantustans which are devoid of young people and turning into prison camps otherwise.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 13:47 utc | 62

Baghdad Bob colorful.

"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Apr 24 2022 13:56 utc | 63

Norwegian @39 - I think the clip you are thinking of is from the film Cabaret in a Beer Garden where a beautiful, blonde blue eyed innocent looking Ayrian Nazi boy starts to sing about "tomorrow belongs to me" and turns into an expression of pure hatred. Shows the power of propaganda.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 24 2022 14:07 utc | 64

But one question remains completely open: for what purpose? What is the goal?

Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 11:35 utc | 20

The Great Reset.

Joaquin Flores a contributor over at Strategic Culture has taken I would say the most detailed look at the WEF’s Great Reset and what it means for the rest of us over a series of articles.

Cynthia Chung, also a contributor at Strategic Culture , has also done the same.

Both are worth a read on this topic.

Not for the feint of hart.

Posted by: Down South | Apr 24 2022 14:07 utc | 65

In the last thread, a few correspondents expressed interest in current US economic position viz. MoM top-line GDP growth rate, WoW "indicators" trailing real/nominal economic activities, budget deficit/public debt, and, of course, USD *-flation metrics behind headline securities marketing and "consensus" predictions announced by obscure yet "trusted" (macro)economists employed by private- and public-sector organizations.

In contrast to my 40-years experience with theoretical micro and macro instrumentalities and their applications to commercial and national (read: government) "resource allocation", casual readers are largely unaware of the size, scope of inherent statistical discrepancies ("values") accumulating in descriptions of public policy objectives and results: After all, who's got time and inclination to comb the nits out of "Consumer Sentiment"?

I recommend Shadow Government Statistics analyitics by John Williams. FWIW, his bio is planted at the end of the home page.

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 24 2022 14:09 utc | 66

Hey bevin, you might want to respond to this from yesterday evening on the "No Distance" thread


So to then reduce the matter to, and I quote

This demonisation of the Monarchy has roots in a very weird neo-trotskyist cult, which also held that the Royal family dealt drugs in partnership with the Rockefeller family. Seeing these tropes, plus the old Rhodes connection, here is as unwelcome as it is surprising.


Is calumny of the very highest order.

Substantiate what you say about a neo-trotskyist cult. Or withdraw.

Posted by: John Cleary | Apr 23 2022 22:17 utc | 111


NB
b, I have no intention to chase bevin around the site. I just want to be sure that a lack of any reply is a deliberate choice and not a simple oversight.

Posted by: John Cleary | Apr 24 2022 14:25 utc | 67

Paul Greenwood@62
Can't you almost hear Big Tech saying to the EU: "But if you made it an offence to publish we would have to adjust our algorithms"?

Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 14:28 utc | 68

Such a great post Mr. b.

"clearly high level world class skullduggery is in the mix" - Absolutely! For Russia, the time for talk is over. The U.S. never even made it to "the table." How often in the past two months have we seen Mr. Lavrov alone at the table answering questions and having no one near his caliber to engage with on the other side?

"who gets to determine what reality." Nails it. What the west believes is the "reality" it watches on the television. No matter how often lied to, they still "trust" their leaders are doing the right thing.

I happened upon a video about rampant urban violence in the U.S. and the street activist they were interviewing was explaining the inner city kid's thinking when discussing the subject of drive-bys, walk-ups and what-nots.

According to what this person was saying, senseless urban violence has a direct connection to, and is a mirror of, the wanton death and destruction they've witnessed the U.S. government dole out to citizens in other countries over the years, many times just to take whatever it is the people in those countries have. They figure if the government can kill and do whatever it wants "over there", they see no reason why they should not behave the same way and do whatever it is they need to do to get (take) what they want "over here."

So in reality, it's all circular, except for when it's linear.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Apr 24 2022 14:29 utc | 69

You can be sarcastic at a level I'm in awe.

What is going on in the battlefield ?

Posted by: DidierF | Apr 24 2022 14:30 utc | 70

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 24 2022 13:12 utc | 53

About a month ago, this person wrote an excellent article about the "information war" and why Russia is not losing:

https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/27/russia-is-not-losing-the-information-war/

I read on Telegram today that the EU vassals made a new law promising fines if Google etc don't just peddle the official Western narrative. If the Ukranazi coup regime is in such a strong position, why should this be necessary?


I don't find the article very convincing. Nowhere does the author explain how either side uses information, let alone how Russia is winning. In fact, he doesn't even provide a definition for information war. He just makes a somewhat circular argument that Russia always tells the truth, and is thus credible, and should stick to the truth to remain credible. Therefore it is winning the information war. As I often point out, narrative dominance shouldn't be confused with moral high ground.

The author's take on the destroyed tanks reports suggests that he sees the information war as nothing more than a process to manipulate public perception of the war's progress. In other words, he seems to think that the belligerents purpose is simply to convince everyone they are winning and that it all comes down to how people perceive the overall medal count.

Furthermore, he seems to equate ones support for either side with how one perceives the power balance in the conflict, a common trait which inhibits any form of objectivity in a discussion. This is made clear in his opening line :

I frequently see the claim that Russia is losing the information war in Ukraine. This idea is widely believed, even by people who support Russia,...

Posted by: robin | Apr 24 2022 14:32 utc | 71

@ Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 12:21 utc | 39

"Tomorrow Belongs to Me" (Cabaret)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCc8kSdeqxw

Such a classic, excrutiatingly horrifying cinematic moment, from the unmatched genius of director Bob Fosse.
"You still think you can control them?"

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 14:33 utc | 72

50 - Max was not Jewish. He was a wealthy and bisexual German conservative, emblematic of those who thought they could use the Nazis.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 24 2022 14:37 utc | 73

(reposting to the right thread)

I've been sifting through the propaganda that serves as "analysis" on the Russian military performance from Fox News, DW and BBC:

The claim is that one metric of incompetence on the part of the Russians is the high number of generals KIA, which they attribute to the fact that Russian generals are embedded on the front lines with the troops.

They contrast this with the fact that generals in NATO, UK and US armies are not on the front lines (presumably at a safe distance from the fighting).

If this is true, while indeed it might result in a higher casualty rate for Russian generals, I would think this would have the following benefits:

1. Ensures generals are very closely attuned to the situation on the battle-field (no chance for a layer of misinterpretation to blur the information).

2. Key decisions can happen faster as there is no significant layer of "middle management" to mediate between generals and frontline forces.

3. Generals have a vested interest in "getting it right the first time" (as there may not be a second chance to do so).

I'd imagine there are some "soft" benefits as well such as:

4. Troop morale, the sense that the higher ups (to some extent) are sharing the suffering of ground troops
5. Demonstration of courage by the generals motivates ground troops to commit to the direction of generals
6. Senior, more experienced leadership is closer to the troops where it's needed

Perhaps an expert on military science can weigh in ... ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 24 2022 14:42 utc | 74

And the US press insists on quoting US generals, whi haven't won a war in fifty years of trying in various wars.
...on ABC
Former NATO ambassador: New US military aid to Ukraine ‘can make a real difference’

Former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Doug Lute said on Sunday that the latest U.S. military aid package to Ukraine “can make a real difference” as Ukrainian forces battle invading Russian troops.
During an appearance on ABC’s “This Week,” moderator Martha Raddatz asked Lute about the Biden administration sending another $800 million in military aid to Ukraine.
Lute referred to the aid package as a real difference-maker, adding that it will close the “quantitative gap” between the two sides.
“That can make a real difference because this begins to close the quantitative gap between the Ukrainians and the Russians. In fact, some estimates are now that the Ukrainians have as many tanks on the battlefield as the Russians,” Lute told Raddatz.
“If not more, right?” Raddatz asked.
“If not more,” Lute, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant general, responded.
“Now, the reality here is that many of the tanks that Ukrainians now have are the ones deserted or abandoned by the Russians,” he said. “So this, this imbalance in quantitative factors like tanks and artillery and so forth, is beginning to get righted in the in the favor of the Ukrainians.” . . .here

Lute is now employed by BGR, Washington's "premier bipartisan lobbying firm" ..

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 14:57 utc | 75

from Caitlin Johnstone. . .
How Much Are We Prepared To Sacrifice To Help The US Win A Propaganda War Against Putin?

One severely under-discussed aspect of the latest round of escalations in Silicon Valley censorship which began at the start of the Ukraine war is the fact that it's an entirely unprecedented order of censorship protocol. While it might look similar to all the other waves of social media purges and new categories of banned content that we've been experiencing since it became mainstream doctrine after the 2016 US election that tech platforms need to strictly regulate online speech, the justifications for it have taken a drastic deviation from established patterns. . .
With censorship relating to the Ukraine war there is no argument that it's being done to help the people. There is no case to be made that letting people say wrong things about this war kills Ukrainians, Americans, or anyone else. There is no case to be made that disputing claims about Russian war crimes will damage America's democratic processes. It's just, "Well we can't have people saying wrong things about a war, can we?". . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 15:14 utc | 76

Martynov's current rap about the possibility of an imminent nuclear false-flag -- called "General Tommy Franks and Geopolitical Reality" -- is not for the faint of heart. The foremost question for me (and also Andrei) at the moment is: What are the odds of this mess going nuclear, possibly sooner than later?

Martynov starts off with a name many have forgotten: Douglas Feith -- architect of the "weapons of mass destruction" feint leading to USA's attack on Iraq. General Tommy Franks appears for his frank opinion of Feith:

"the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth"

Point being: the bunch running this circus today are cut from the same cloth, no? Martynov feels the West is completely incapable of fighting a modern military conflict -- the only thing NATO can produce is a narrative, imploding as we speak. What can we expect from the "fucking stupidest" people on the face of the earth, as they panic in the throes of blatant failure?

We can expect unpredictable consequences. Martynov scares the living crap out of me, at the moment.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 15:31 utc | 77

Thanks everybody! "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" was indeed what I was thinking of.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 15:42 utc | 78

@ my 75
“the latest U.S. military aid package to Ukraine “can make a real difference”. . .That can make a real difference because this begins to close the quantitative gap between the Ukrainians and the Russians. In fact, some estimates are now that the Ukrainians have as many tanks on the battlefield as the Russians,” Lute told Raddatz.
“If not more, right?” Raddatz asked.
“If not more,” Lute, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant general, responded.

>The US has NOT sent any tanks to Ukraine, some have reportedly come from the Czech Republic
>Where did the "more tanks" story originate? . . .Ukrainian forces have more tanks in Ukraine than Russians, “and they certainly have the purview[sic] to use them,” said an undisclosed senior U.S. defense official quoted by the Washington Post.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 15:49 utc | 79

A most interesting development.

Meanwhile , down under in Oz. Due to a new "Federal Erection Cycle" called by PM Scott Morrespin(religious fruit loop). The countries media is full of local 2% politician promises.

The majority of the same media. is also busy pumping out the mindless 2% of total full on support for the "neo-nazi's" of Ukraine. The entire Oz country media is complete full on 2% reading material . Until you reach the sports pages.

One would have thought that even the government owned and run,Auntie(ABC.net.au). Even this broadcaster is now busy publishing all the spam and trash propaganda originating from Ukraine. Completely ignoring all the real truths from the real world...

Auntie is word pun based on the corporate name. lol

The "Australian Broadcasting Commission" is the Oz direct clone of the "Beeb"(BBC) . The BBC is better known in some cynical circles as the "British B--LS--T Corporation". Due to the fact since foundation day. This broadcaster, has been actively broadcasting pure unadulterated British Government ordained "Propaganda".

Sadly, the religious fruit loop Oz PM including the local Minister of Defense. Have now completely lost all logical reasoning when it comes to China........ A cynical pundit would say "they have completely lost their 'Banana's'. Tragic really! As these two "Double Dumb Asses". Have not bothered to check the top ten thousand consumer imports from China. Or , as we all know. Even the venerated and fawned upon 'Apple Iphony 13' is made in .........

Then again, who would have thought there are so many closet neo-nazi's . Living down under in Oz............

"Such is Life" - Attributed to "Ned Kelly"................

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Apr 24 2022 16:00 utc | 80

@Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 12:21 utc
@MarkT | Apr 24 2022 13:01 utc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuHXTG3uyY

This snippet from Bob Fosse's film Cabaret (1972) is manipulative. It says: behind every innocent-looking German is a potential Nazi, and the German crowd is always ready to follow the rat charmer.

Stale prejudices (this kid is too blond to be innocent). This denunciation of propaganda is itself propaganda. How easy it is to fool the Germans! A ditty and everyone walks at a goose pace.

A bit short, isn't it?

The best book I have read on the formation of the German mob mindset before 1933 is Siegfried Krakauer's book, From Caligari to Hitler: A Psychological History of the German Film (1947).

Through the history of German cinema, Krakauer tells how "the torturous alternative of tyranny and chaos" will be reconciled in submission to the figure of an "authoritarian rebel".

IMO Krakauer is the cream of the Frankfurt School (I took the bust of Adorno off my mantelpiece after reading his essays on Mahler and Tchaikovsky).

Posted by: Leuk | Apr 24 2022 16:06 utc | 81

@78 And for those who like to keep up here is Liza Minelli at the Oscars....

https://youtu.be/Ma5SGTqkXeM

Posted by: dh | Apr 24 2022 16:10 utc | 82

@dh | Apr 24 2022 16:10 utc | 81

Looks like some show from Panem

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 16:36 utc | 83

DonBacon@79..they neglect to say that while Ukraine does have more tanks in the Ukraine than Russia, they forget to mention....that all Ukrainian tanks 'done got blowed up'.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 24 2022 16:41 utc | 84

Basically, in combination with the overt censorship of outlets like RT, the western publics consuming MSM coverage of the military operations in Ukraine are receiving information directly and almost exclusively from officials representing the Ukrainian regime. None of it is verified, most of it is wrong. Regardless, there is a wide body of opinion that holds the Ukraine as either winning or at a stalemate in the war and that the Russian military has been exposed as using terrible equipment and poor tactics with an army composed of sullen and unmotivated recruits. Don't bother trying to inject some reality because the recipients will become suspicious of you, and also it is what they want to hear and want to believe.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 24 2022 16:53 utc | 85

Re "Tomorrow Belongs to Me".

My mother went on a walking trip in Germany just before WWII, as a young UK trainee teacher on holiday. She was shocked to find that each morning at each of the hostels she went to, everyone was ritually expected to do the Nazi salute to the German flag, including her and her UK friends.

What shocked her was that obligatory collective obedience was demanded. (and I gather, enforced). This was not due to propaganda, although that must have had an effect, but to the submission to one "ideal" to the exclusion of all other alternatives.

However, this is the same as "Karens for Covid", "Putin as a mass psychosis", "Zelensky is pure" etc. There has been a systematic training and build-up to "obey" a collective movement, and to consider all alternatives as a crime against the reigning dogma. We are being conditionned to obey not think.

There are many on MoA and other alt. sites who do not participate in this collectivity, but the surprising thing is how many, in other societies, adhere to the same precepts. (In France as well).

War becomes inevitable if all the reigning kleptocracy have to do is tell the collectivity to obey, even if they die doing so.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 24 2022 17:56 utc | 86

@ Leuk | Apr 24 2022 16:06 utc | 80

Thanks for your trenchant critique of the Cabaret scene. I think Fosse performed more or less ecstatically as a director -- inventing new cinematic tricks without even trying. The guy was fundamentally a dancer/choreographer. He knew how to make things move. He may have struggled with expressions of subtle prejudices (as do we all).

What Lavrof said about the West's incredible outburst of Russophobia -- that this profound a hatred must have been crouching in us, all along -- got me reflecting on another classic movie-musical, certainly one of the best ever: "Fiddler on the Roof". It was one of my own personal favorites, but now I worry about apparent Russophobia in it, which I never seriously noticed. What's wrong with me, that I could be oblivious to something like that?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 17:56 utc | 87

Leuk | Apr 24 2022 16:06 utc

Oops... Stravinsky, not Tchaïkovski.

Posted by: Leuk | Apr 24 2022 18:56 utc | 88

Leuk | Apr 24 2022 16:06 utc

Oops... Stravinsky, not Tchaïkovski.

Posted by: Leuk | Apr 24 2022 18:56 utc | 87


Adorno would've hardly wasted a word (and he had so many) on Tchaikovsky.

As for Stravinsky, Adorno understood his style well enough; he just condemned it as inappropriate for the age. Rather a shame Adorno didn't bother to note Stravinsky's very real fascistic sympathies, but that's why God gave us Richard Taruskin.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 19:03 utc | 89

Oldhippie@47

“Local Jews form ranks behind their brethren in Ukraine”

Zionist on the ground and Zionists in media……
I firmly believe that the effort to over emphasize the nazi element in Ukraine is part of a forming narrative which will seek to create an unstoppable wave of sympathy for the poor, maligned Jews who have suffered so much in Ukraine and need their own state to be safe from persecution.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 24 2022 20:26 utc | 90

What's wrong with me, that I could be oblivious to something like that?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 17:56 utc | 86

I think this is very normal, we grow up with stereotypes and cultural cliches no matter where we live East or West, and if we are lucky as we get older and wiser we become more aware that much of our thinking and reacting is just automatic.

eg I was shocked when a young gay relative came out at how often the family including myself make jokes about gay stereotypes, regurgitating corny stuff from old TV comedy and the like. We suffered through our own embarrassment for a while and learnt to be more aware of what came out of our mouths. Group think infects us far more easily than we want to believe.

I can only understand the German experience through the lens of history and the certainty that Germans are not uniquely prone to being brainwashed. I believe we are currently being shown exactly how Hitler's regime brainwashed an entire country, maybe even by the same kind of people who orchestrated it last time.
it's not a superficial stereotype when it can be repeated en masse with now the entire western world intoning the mantra: Heil Z.

My theory is that people are actually quite easily led as a rule, that's not to be condescending its just my observation. Really smart people of any race or culture can become sucked in if the conditions are right. It can be loss of privilege, or livelihood, feeling or actually being threatened, or just a deep unconscious need to belong to the herd, we are animals after all.

Here at MOA as in every gathering of people, groupthink and peer pressure happens at times as well, so it's not too hard to observe the dynamic that kicks in automatically.
People rally around a cause or join in to repel an invader or a "troll", its human nature to stick together and this can be used to good or ill.

imo we always need to be aware of who and what we are supporting or outlawing with our emotions and words. It's actually quite natural for immature humans to persecute others, check out any school yard, at least in western society.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 22:15 utc | 91

The barrage of propaganda is indeed relentless, and the crumbling of journalistic integrity is trahison des clercs, but don't forget that it's backed up by the unvarnished resolution of the USA to hound to the death anyone who disrupts their narrative, as witness the savage and ongoing persecution of Julian Assange.

Please, everybody, but especially his Australian fellow-citizens - but no, everybody! take action - demonstrate, educate, lobby, vote - to support and free this man.

Posted by: Hope | Apr 24 2022 23:37 utc | 92

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 11:32 utc | 19

Thanks for these MoD briefings; you, karlof, and others are potent info warriors.

I've noticed Russian losses are notably absent from these, excerpts maybe, and I didn't see Ukraine casualties here but that's so like the Vietnam War. Still, it's clear that Ukraine is losing the war with significant attrition, just as the Empire of Chaos (Escobar?) had intended for Russia to suffer. The mounting body count is senseless mas-murder --- and it's all on USA/NATO, an empire of crime.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 24 2022 23:48 utc | 93

--- Baghdad Bob on the Invasion

[https://www.liveabout.com/baghdad-bob-quotes-4068522]

Next up,
Zel-whoopsky?

Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 13:36 utc | 60
___

What a Monty Python cartoon character. Z on the other hand personifies Churchill, Patton, and MacArthur. Pretty sure they all did lines throughout their campaigns.


How

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 25 2022 0:02 utc | 94

We are being conditioned to obey, not think.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 24 2022 17:56 utc | 85

Hard to think when one hasn't the slightest acquaintance with even elementary analysis, eg the grab-bag of elementary analytical tools taught, or, rather, not taught as "logic" (few if any American high-schools or colleges have ever required such course for a diploma).

Barker's _Elements of Logic_ was a mainstay introduction for non-mathematicians for decades, now superceded by more "up-to-date" "critical thinking" courses free of such limiting dreariness.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 25 2022 7:13 utc | 95

Well, I think that what B means when he says there's something amiss with this story, is that it's not a story about the actual war, it's a story about western reactions to the war. It's part of a first draft of the Hollywood movie they plan to make about the war once they have won it, which of course they wont do. Missing from this story is Russia's actual participation, what it plans and what it will do. In other words it's a fantasy, and in this fantasy, Russia was defeated in its attempt to conquer Kiev, which we know didnt happen.But a lot of people who are steeped in mainstream media account do believe this. However the mood is changing as the western media begins to take seriously the battles taking place in the South East. Gloom is descending on their euphoria as the likely fate of the Ukrainian forces there becomes ever more apparent.

Posted by: malcolm harrison | Apr 25 2022 15:16 utc | 96

Empire of chaos it certainly is, but I think Putin coined the aptest description: Empire of Lies (Imperiya Lzhi).

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 25 2022 19:01 utc | 97

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