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April 30, 2022

Media Are Now Whitewashing Nazis They Had Previously Condemned

Recently the New York Times, like many other 'western' outlets, has changed its language when reporting about the fascist Ukrainian Asov Battalion.

What was once "a Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization" which even the FBI said is notorious for its “association with neo-Nazi ideology” was first relabeled as merely "far right" before it became a normal "unit in the Ukrainian military".

New Zealand Massacre Highlights Global Reach of White Extremism - Mar 15 2019 - New York Times

Scrawled on his rifle was a white nationalist credo popularized by the American domestic terrorist and neo-Nazi David Lane. On his flak jacket was a symbol commonly used by the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization.
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We Once Fought Jihadists. Now We Battle White Supremacists. - Feb 11 2020 - New York Times

Defenders of the Ukrainian Azov Battalion, which the F.B.I. calls “a paramilitary unit” notorious for its “association with neo-Nazi ideology,” accuse us of being part of a Kremlin campaign to “demonize” the group.
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Why Vladimir Putin Invokes Nazis to Justify His Invasion of Ukraine - Mar 17 2022 - New York Times

Facebook last week said it was making an exception to its anti-extremism policies to allow praise for Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion military unit, “strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine National Guard.”
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From Battered Mariupol Steel Plant, Fighters Share Desperate Videos to Push Out Story - Apr 29 2022 - New York Times

These scenes are from videos shared online in recent days by the Azov regiment, a unit in the Ukrainian military, which says they were taken in the mazelike bunkers beneath the sprawling Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol, Ukraine.

It is not that Azov has de-radicalized over time. It has in fact grown more extreme.

Azov has infiltrated other organizations, especially some units of the Ukrainian regular military, the national guard, the police and the internal secret security organization SBU. Azov is by far not the only fascist (para-)military organization in Ukraine. There is the Aidar battalion, the Right Sector militia, Dnipro-1 and 2 regiments, the C-14 'youth' organization of the fascist Svoboda party as well as a dozen other such organization.

These groups are not only not prohibited as they should be but get encouraged and partially financed by the Ukrainian government. Many of these militia have been integrated into the National Guard of Ukraine under the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

The infiltration of the security services and government has dangerous consequences for the Ukrainian public.

Over the years many 'western' media have correctly reported on the Ukrainian fascists. Here is an incomplete collection (h/t Antispin):

Next to those and many more media reports there are some detailed ones from various organization which document the war crimes Azov and groups like it have committed in Ukraine. In 2015 the Foundation for the Study of Democracy published a report about the War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture and inhumane treatment. In 2018 the Human Rights Platform "Uspishna Varta" wrote in a report about the Ministry of Internal Affairs and General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine:

The existence of paramilitary groups within a number of far-right parties and nationalist organizations, which is expressly prohibited by Article 37 of the Constitution of Ukraine, is of high concern. As a part of the party "National Corpus" (earlier – "Azov") the paramilitary division "National Druzhina" operates, which held a public march in the center of Kiev in February 2018. The activities of this organization are not only not suppressed by representatives of law enforcement bodies, but are openly encouraged by the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.

28% of all violations of political rights and freedoms recorded by the human rights platform "Uspishna Varta" in April-August 2018 involved right-wing radical organizations, primarily C14, as well as "National Druzhina", "Bratstvo", "Right Sector", etc.

The OHCHR documented 22 cases of discrimination, hate speech, and/or violence directed at persons belonging to minorities or those holding alternative, special social, or political opinions between 16 February and 15 May. At the same time, in 21 cases violence was committed by members of ultra-right groups, who appear to have acted with impunity. The police and the State Prosecutor's office did not prevent acts of violence, did not properly characterize them as hate crimes, did not effectively investigate discriminatory crimes, and did not prosecute the perpetrators, which violates the right to equally not be discriminated against in view of the law and leads to an atmosphere of impunity and a lack of justice for victims.

All this is well know. Over the years 'western' media have warned of growing fascism in Ukraine. While fascist parties get few votes in Ukraine they are in fact very powerful. They own the streets, have the guns and kill politicians who do not do what Azov and other fascist groups say. They can act with impunity.

Amnesty International has documented some of the crimes committed by fascist groups in Ukraine:

Human Rights Watch has a long list of reports on Ukraine. While some blame eastern separatists and Russia, many others point to violence from the fascist far-right.

Currently a main Azov unit is sitting in the basement of  the Azovstal metalworks in Mariupol surrounded by Russian troops. It claims to have civilian hostages and refuse to surrender. To whitewash them now just because they have gotten themselves into this situation - as the NYT obviously does - is not justified.

Update:

As one commentator snarks:

Bernd Neuner @Bernd__Neuner - 15:08 UTC · Apr 30, 2022
#Putin's latest failure:
Western media's de-nazification of #Ukraine much faster and more thorough than #Russia's 🤡

Posted by b on April 30, 2022 at 14:58 UTC | Permalink

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Disgusting!

Posted by: Merkin Scot | Apr 30 2022 15:03 utc | 1

Well done, b

Posted by: c | Apr 30 2022 15:06 utc | 2

The Wests playbook has not changed for 500 years, it is only modernized.

Posted by: circumspect | Apr 30 2022 15:07 utc | 3

I seem to remember a quote somewhere concerning "our bastard".

Posted by: Degringolade | Apr 30 2022 15:10 utc | 4

Since The Gray Lady is owned by Sulzberger and has a proclivity to hire co-religionists I suggest there is an alignment between the Nazis and this particular ethno-religious grouping not quite so apparent previously.

It is clear the usefulness of a particular narrative has been found inferior to the physicality of the Nazis themselves in attaining key objectives.

Maybe these are not such strange bedfellows - I doubt Palestinians would consider them to be

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 30 2022 15:12 utc | 5

To our drooling, half-witted politicos Zel-baby and the Nazis are the best thing since Mandela.

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | Apr 30 2022 15:15 utc | 6

Every Azov Ukraine soldier is checked for White Nationalist Nazi markings and look what Russia finds in many of the captured.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ovW8UyXufU

Posted by: Dean Oneil | Apr 30 2022 15:21 utc | 7

Brilliant work, b!

Posted by: gottlieb | Apr 30 2022 15:24 utc | 8

The key to Azov's success is that it operated with impunity. Like the SA in 1930s Germany it is protected by the government, the police the judiciary.
It is not just a question of it being armed, it is protected from opposition. It needs no popular support because the populace is intimidated-just as today many of us are intimidated- from expressing its detestation of Nazi policies, and its fear of the consequences of Nazi rule.
The Nazis never were popular. They owned the streets only because the State drove their opponents- Communists and Trade Unionists- off the streets.
And it did so because Nazis exist to protect the property of the wealthy from the children of those whose stolen wealth is the basis of the fortunes of the rich.
What we see Facebook and the NY Times doing here is providing the Nazis with the impunity that comes from Establishment media approval. The NATO military are doing the same thing.
What we see going on in Ukraine is a Nazi Seizure of Power- unless Russia denazifies Ukraine, Ukraine will act as a convenient springboard to Nazify Europe and north America. The process is already begun.
And all the pre-conditions for it to do so are falling into place as the media, the courts, the cops and the educational Academy deodorise the stench of criminals and mercenary bullies at work to destroy the building blocks of democracy.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2022 15:25 utc | 9

It has been reported that the total number of Azov and related neo-nazis comprise less than 5% of the voting population of Ukraine.

This is a remarkably small percentage of the total electorate. It would be intersting to compare this % with the % in pre-WWII Germany and Italy. Also France in 1789, and Russia at the time of revolution.

Having those figures it would be possible to compare with the neo-con takeover of the US state.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 30 2022 15:26 utc | 10

Just came across a video of a Chechen fighter at THE SAKER. Watch read and listen, no further comment required!
Frank Jacobs

Posted by: Frank Giesen-Jacobs | Apr 30 2022 15:28 utc | 11

Russians now view the West as the reembodiment of Nazi Germany. Russian public opinion is now a mirror image of the West.
Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 30 2022 6:34 utc | (in Ukraine Doubling Down)

Perimetr excerpts an opinion piece from Tass:

Did the peoples of Europe really need freedom? Is it true that they were enslaved by Hitler? If they are so enthusiastically ready to welcome any little Führer and support him in everything, maybe they wanted to be Nazis?

US American public opinion, as expressed by its media vanguard, is now self-identified with Azov Nazis. That's the meaning of the adjectival migration b documents, above: Here in USA, it has become officially endorsed policy, concerning Nazi regalia: we're supposed to look the other way.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 30 2022 15:36 utc | 12

What is going to be the correct response when Western politicians, (uk in particular) who have armed, trained, and paid Nazis, attend the Cenotaph on November 11th to commemorate the Soldiers who died to fight Nazis?

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Apr 30 2022 15:38 utc | 13

Somewhat off topic here...

There is a young independent journalist named Patrick Lancaster who has been providing video reports out of Ukraine since the start of the military operation. He typically posts a daily on the ground report but he hasn't done so since April 24th. As well, he has not posted anything on his Telegram channel since April 25th.

I'm not suggesting anything nefarious or troubling has happened to Patrick, only that his absence is concerning given what we learned recently about Gonzalo's temporary disappearance.

If anyone hears anything from or about Patrick's whereabouts please provide an update here on Moon's thread. Thank you!

Posted by: Helen | Apr 30 2022 15:42 utc | 14

This whitewashing of the overt fascist nature of much of what transpired in Ukraine is indeed frightening. This fascist threat is international in nature. As b noted, the New Zealand massacre peretrator had David Lane's credo, The 14 Words, on his rifle.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

That is the 14 in the "C-14" Ukrainian nationalist group's name.
There is a video out there which I am sure many have seen of the C-14 member, Yevgeny Karas, saying that without the ultra-nationalist providing the muscle on the Maidan, the 2014 coup against Yanukovich would never have happened.

Yevgeny Karas

Here is an article from Vice ( no longer a fan, but sometimes they are good ) about a black metal festival in Ukraine.

Vice article

I happen to like black metal, but I am not a fan of a lot of the politics. That's besides the point. The point is is that there is an international element to this, which scares me a lot. Ukraine is a magnet for this. I can only hope that enough people stupid enough to subscribe to this ideology go to Ukraine to "secure their future" and meet their maker.

Thank you b, and most of the commentors!

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 30 2022 15:42 utc | 15

Thanks for the posting b

We have been writing about the Azovstal metalworks in Mariupol for weeks now and I was under the belief that they would have all starved by now. Especially if there are as many as reported.

I agree that the value of these military folks from NATO countries being exposed to the Western public has significant value and I hope it happens because it might open some eyes.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 30 2022 15:42 utc | 16

..not only in Ukraine. . .
Inside the U.S. military's battle with white supremacy and far-right extremism . . .The armed forces offers much to its members. But what happens when some in the ranks betray their oath? . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 30 2022 15:44 utc | 17

For those elements that seemingly arise to destroy society, shouldn't the relentless focus be directed at those who organize and fund said elements, turning the light on the power directing the destruction and removing the cover of its protection by the government, the police, the judiciary... You don't fight the fist.

Posted by: cobo | Apr 30 2022 15:49 utc | 18

"Russians now view the West as the re-embodiment of Nazi Germany. Russian public opinion is now a mirror image of the West..." Perimetr.

And, interestingly enough, Strategic Culture a fairly reliable barometer of Russian opinion, I suspect, has an editorial which sounds like something written by Ilya Ehrenburg (that's a good thing.)
This is how it concludes:
"Our enemy is the Western system of U.S.-led imperialism, its capitalist elite, and their political flunkies like Joe Biden and Ursula von der Leyen.."

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/29/the-aggressors-accuse-russia-of-blackmail-for-defending-its-currency-energy-wealth-and-even-its-existential-security/

"..the Western system of U.S..imperialism, its capitalist elite, and their political flunkies."
Could Global Times have put it any better?

Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2022 15:52 utc | 19

Well done highlighting these Nazis.

The trouble is that when the "west" supports these Nazis there is no escaping from the fact that they themselves are also Nazis. You can't support Nazis with weapons without being one yourself.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2022 15:57 utc | 20

Sushi #10

As you said, 5% is pretty low. It wouldn’t surprise me if most countries in the world, US, Canada, and UK included have similar or greater percentages of Nazi-mentality people among their populations.

Posted by: krypton | Apr 30 2022 16:15 utc | 21

@Don Bacon (17) "..not only in Ukraine. . .
Inside the U.S. military's battle with white supremacy and far-right extremism . . .The armed forces offers much to its members. But what happens when some in the ranks betray their oath?"

The other side of this same coin is the heavy representation of Christian Nationalists in the US military, including at the highest levels. Their goal is to smash the wall between church and state and establish Christianity as the official national religion. Attempts to stifle this movement have met with limited success. That's because fanatics never give up--never.

Posted by: Rob | Apr 30 2022 16:17 utc | 22

@15 I believe there were quite a few black metal fans going to Ukraine to fight. Not sure what happened to them. The only mercenaries we hear about are much-loved family men with children (and dogs) or ardent young men with Ukrainian girlfriends (and dogs).

Posted by: dh | Apr 30 2022 16:18 utc | 23

When i issue my opinions on russia's conflict with the combined west, i am questioned with arguments that russia supports the wagner battalion and that this battalion would also be a neonazi organisation. Does anyone know about this?

Posted by: globalsouthrebellion | Apr 30 2022 16:18 utc | 24

Need to add this one from the UN:

Arbitrary Detention, Torture and Ill-treatment in the Context of Armed Conflict in Eastern Ukraine

Posted by: One Too Many | Apr 30 2022 16:20 utc | 25

It claims to have civilian hostages

Are the civilians in the basement of Azovstahl hostages, or are they the wives and children of the Azov brigade themselves? This is not clear, and has important implications. Someone mentioned some "civilians" coming out from Azovstahl and said on the Telegram link (I didn't follow it, I don't have Telegram) the father of the group had a photo of him in Ukrainian uniform with a Nazi iron cross, and that the man's eyes looked very shifty in the interview probably because he knew the photo would be found ... well, was he really a civilian? Or was he one of the actual Azov militants, who dressed in civilian clothes and sneaked out with his family?

Posted by: BM | Apr 30 2022 16:21 utc | 26

It was the US Elite, like Mr. Ford, as well as the British Royals who financed and cajoled the fascists to come to power in Germany in the 1920s and 30s.

Well, well, well...looky here! The US ruling Elite and the Brits financing and cajoling the fascists to come to power in the Ukraine of today.

Posted by: Ali | Apr 30 2022 16:22 utc | 27

another-attempt-to-evacuate-civilians-from-azovstal-un-red-cross-involved-in-negotiation

Good for Russia to cooperate with these orgs to get the civilians out and obliterate the propaganda talking point the media were salivating over.

The mainstream reports that 25 civilians made it out of Azovstal including a handful of children. Why not all the civilians? I get that some are the families of those Nazi thugs, but are they crazy enough to keep wives and kids in there to save their own skin?

Damn the cowards in hell.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 30 2022 16:25 utc | 28

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2022 15:57 utc | 2

The Azov nazis are BAD. But they are not the worst. The worst are the US/NATO who trained them to act in this way. They are the ultimate war criminals here - and even more so their bosses in the capitals of the USA and EU - and if captured alive must on absolutely no account be exchanged or released. They must be put on trial.

Posted by: BM | Apr 30 2022 16:26 utc | 29

@Helen

From Juan Sinmiedo's channel:

I have seen many people this week on social media asking the where about of Patrick Lancaster. His last video in Mariupol was posted 5 days ago. He's just having some well deserved rest. He did an interview on YouTube 2 days ago: https://youtu.be/drDEnB_1CAY

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/2851

He's doing a terrific job about the ukro-neo-nazis and their global reach.

Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Apr 30 2022 16:26 utc | 30

thanks b and others..

did the usa state dept have azov battalion on some kind of terrorist list at one point and then take them off it?? i know they still have iran revolutionary guards on the terrorist list... i seem to recall azov battalion status changed for the usa state dept in 2018 or something like that.. thanks anyone who can fill in the blanks for me on this..

Posted by: james | Apr 30 2022 16:26 utc | 31

The backwards reporting I'm seeing now reminds me a lot of what happened 2008-09, with Afghanistan:

Well, obviously, we didn’t win. This was a classic example of a broken OODA loop. We made an observation that was technically correct – poppy harvests were declining, But it was oriented wrong, causing us to make wrong decisions, act on those wrong decisions, and continue acting on them long after we should have realized something was wrong.

Poppy production was dropping not because our programs and air strikes were so effective, but because they were so ineffective. Afghanistan had so much poppy, prices crashed so severely, farmers actually stopped growing it. Instead, they dried the poppy (giving it a shelf life of 7 years), and waited for prices to rise again. Which of course, eventually, they did.

It got worse. Not only were we failing to interdict the Taliban’s poppy production, we did a splendid job of narcing their competition. That’s the problem with playing policeman in a country we knew nothing about with a huge language barrier.

Did we at least learn something? Nope. The Russians have left Kiev. Victory! What about Donbass? What about the army trapped there? Oh well.

https://readingjunkie.com/2022/04/20/war-update-no-ukrainian-girlfriend-for-you/

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 30 2022 16:28 utc | 32

One more instance of flat learning cure. US elites just don't learn anything from history, still arrogantly believe that victory comes from power and spending. Another Vietnam and another humiliation in the offing, played by the same camps, US vs. Russia/China.

https://www.gale.com/binaries/content/assets/gale-us-en/primary-sources/archives-unbound/primary-sources_archives-unbound_u.s.-military-advisory-effort-in-vietnam_military-assistance-advisory-group-vietnam-1950-1964.pdf
U.S. MILITARY ADVISORY EFFORT IN VIETNAM: MILITARY ASSISTANCE ADVISORY GROUP, VIETNAM, 1950-1964

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Apr 30 2022 16:30 utc | 33

I have sometimes heard people here in the US make the claim that Putin supports far right political movements throughout Europe. When I ask for evidence, all I get in response are assertions that "everyone knows it's true" or "it's a well-known fact." These are the same people who still believe that Putin personally interfered in the US presidential election in 2016.

Posted by: Rob | Apr 30 2022 16:33 utc | 34


Deliberately and knowingly siding with nazis is godless. Not godless as in secular, but actual godlessness - just amoral. I was thinking about this yesterday, and how it is possible for us to become so inhuman.

I’m talking about emotions, but maybe that’s not exactly it. I mean empathy. Or just being human at all. We’ve replaced humanity with pointless, vapid sentimentality. It’s not natural or normal. We love platitudes like “war is hell.” Or “Russians are committing atrocities.” Oh, it is so horrible, we say. But saying you’re human isn’t the same thing as being one, is it? It’s as if we were so scared of war taking away our humanity, we preemptively gave it up.
https://readingjunkie.com/2022/04/29/who-has-more-will-to-fight-in-this-war/

Here’s the main problem facing NATO right now. Everything I’ve been reading over the past year indicated an expectation that Russia cannot run a protracted operation with extended supply lines for more than a few days, maybe a week at most... That idea was obviously wrong and Russia can continue de-nazifying Ukraine indefinitely, whether that take a month or a year. Yet, I still see everyone rambling about how terrible Russian logistics are. It’s stupid to even say this. Just the fact that Russian soldiers still have food, bullets, and fuel is proof that they have adequate logistical support, regardless of how good or poor their battlefield performance is. Maybe it’s all propaganda but I suspect that NATO analysts chose this hill for Ukrainians to die on and refuse to update their Russia file.
https://readingjunkie.com/2022/04/17/masks-off-our-propagandists-admit-the-truth/

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 30 2022 16:33 utc | 35

sputniknews.com is reporting as breaking news that 25 civilians have fleed the Azovstal compound in the last few hours.

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 30 2022 16:40 utc | 36

to Helen on Patrick Lancaster
I heard him say in a video interview with Daniel Dumbrill that he was visiting his family in Russia and that he would soon return to Mariupol.
So he's safe and sound, luckily.

Posted by: Francisca | Apr 30 2022 16:41 utc | 37

bevin @9--

Your testimony is why I deem it necessary for Russia to again liberate Europe since the Fascist threat will never go away unless it's uprooted. Denazification was never going to be easy, which is why Hudson expects this struggle to last 30 years.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 30 2022 16:42 utc | 38

Regarding the horrific conditions in the Maripol steel plant, the part the azov militia fails to consider in their pleas for mercy, is that they themselves can instantly resolve their situation simply by laying down their arms and walking out.

Posted by: Robert S | Apr 30 2022 16:48 utc | 39

Azovstal is a large complex with several buildings, many are connected underground.

As it was buildt in the Soviet era, there will be bomb-shelters for their workers around the area.

Many civilians took shelter there when the fighting started, and have been trapped ever since.

I've seen videos when they try to pin-point those locations.

This is a slow and thorough mop-up.

It seem very much like a "Heart of Darkness" mission.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 30 2022 16:53 utc | 40

This requires some out of the box thinking, but I am going to say that many Jews and Zionists have aligned/allied themselves with white supremacists and the vast majority of people seem to not understand or think this is impossible.

I was in Israel when i heard a crowd of Israeli youths shout "white power" and "fu*k the n*ggers" at some Africans there, and in another instance another group referred to Palestinians and Arabs as "n*ggers" too. Kinda made me realize that zionists and white racists aren't that far apart as we might have been raised to think.

Posted by: Vrazy88s | Apr 30 2022 16:57 utc | 41

These are moderate nazis. Like moderate terrorists in Syrian civil war. Those are special species. They are not so bad, so west can love them and use them, it is OK, no problem here, move along.

Posted by: Abe | Apr 30 2022 16:57 utc | 42

@14 Helen,

Saw a twitter reply from Patrick to another account dated April 28 and he said he was with his family for a couple of days and would be back to war the next day.

Posted by: lindaj | Apr 30 2022 16:59 utc | 43

Posted by: globalsouthrebellion | Apr 30 2022 16:18 utc | 24

"When i issue my opinions on russia's conflict with the combined west, i am questioned with arguments that russia supports the wagner battalion and that this battalion would also be a neonazi organisation. Does anyone know about this?"

Our news sources say Wagner is a Russian mercenary force. The Russian government says it has no mercenary forces as they are illegal in Russia.

Our government has made mercenary armies legal, profitable, and unaccountable, and admits it lies, cheats, steals, and kills.

So I assume the Wagner Group is an American product, funded by the American taxpayer, acting to discredit Russia.

Posted by: Linda Wood | Apr 30 2022 17:00 utc | 44

"Mariupol Update - Russian sources are reporting that the UnitedNations is planning to evacuate the remaining civilians from Azovstal in the next day. Videos of bus and ambulance convoys with 🇷🇺 escorts are supposedly going to head into Azovstal and retrieve the civilians".

In one convoy I counted 20 buses and five ambulances, plus various police (Russian vehicles, not overly armoured)
We will see if this is comes true.
***
In another update, the "White helmets" (now with jolly yellow helmets) are reported to be performing somewhere in Ukraine.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 30 2022 17:05 utc | 45

Nazi battalions are astroturf. They came about prior to 2014 Maidan color revolution. They were funded by Zionist Kolomoisky. There is little to no activity from Soviet era until 2014. The battalions are mercenaries and will be used at some point to demonstrate a narrative that the Jews in Ukraine are surrounded so to speak. They are being attacked by Russians and Nazi. They will need a new Zionist state of their own and the US and EU must fund it.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 30 2022 17:05 utc | 46

LOFL I saw a headline from Business Insider that "the Ghost of Kiev" has been killed in a Russian missile attack. those sneaky russky's with the ghostbuster style ectoplasmic missiles.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 30 2022 17:09 utc | 47

It's a little odd to see the Putinists chanting 'Nazi' over and over, as if they've found the devil himself. Whereas in reality they are dupes of the constant anit-Nazi propaganda the usual suspects have flooded the media with since before WW II. If you'd like to escape that idiocy, watch this 5 minute vid by Rabbi Yosef ben Porat, who will explain Nazism succinctly .... https://odysee.com/@rumpelstiltskin:5/Why-did-Hitler-hate-jews_-Rabbi-Yosef-Tzvi-ben-Porat-will-explain-to-you:4 This is only indirectly related to the Azov's, which are a different subject.

Posted by: Saggy | Apr 30 2022 17:09 utc | 48

Continuing our discussion re: America's allegedfunding of Nazi Germany (from Ron Unz's superb essay)

The Central Jewish Role in Orchestrating World War II

Roosevelt’s economic problems had led him to seek a foreign war, but it was probably the overwhelming Jewish hostility to Nazi Germany that pointed him in that particular direction. The confidential report of the Polish ambassador to the U.S. as quoted by John Wear provides a striking description of the political situation in America at the beginning of 1939:

There is a feeling now prevalent in the United States marked by growing hatred of Fascism, and above all of Chancellor Hitler and everything connected with National Socialism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews who control almost 100% [of the] radio, film, daily and periodical press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents Germany as black as possible–above all religious persecution and concentration camps are exploited–this propaganda is nevertheless extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and knows nothing of the situation in Europe.

At the present moment most Americans regard Chancellor Hitler and National Socialism as the greatest evil and greatest peril threatening the world. The situation here provides an excellent platform for public speakers of all kinds, for emigrants from Germany and Czechoslovakia who with a great many words and with most various calumnies incite the public. They praise American liberty which they contrast with the totalitarian states.

It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia is almost completely eliminated. Soviet Russia, if mentioned at all, is mentioned in a friendly manner and things are presented in such a way that it would seem that the Soviet Union were cooperating with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the clever propaganda the sympathies of the American public are completely on the side of Red Spain.

Given the heavy Jewish involvement in financing Churchill and his allies and also steering the American government and public in the direction of war against Germany, organized Jewish groups probably bore the central responsibility for provoking the world war, and this was surely recognized by most knowledgeable individuals at the time. Indeed, the Forrestal Diaries recorded the very telling statement by our ambassador in London: “Chamberlain, he says, stated that America and the Jews had forced England into the war.”

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 30 2022 17:11 utc | 49

Creating/Nurturing extremists is what the CIA does. Did it in Africa, South America, Muslim World, esp in Syria & China/Pakistan. What they do is bring out the worst in humanity.

What I do know, and I can tell you about Aleppo is that Russia was extremely reluctant to get involved in combat in Syria. The war began in 2011, when the United States landed Central Intelligence operatives to begin coordinating with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. And we had been unwavering supporters of Al Qaeda, since before the war formally began. We are supporters of Al Qaeda today, where they’re bottled up in Idlib province. The CIA supplied them under secret Operation Timber Sycamore. We gave them all of their anti-tank weapons, all of their anti air- missiles. And Al Qaeda has always been our proxy force on the ground. They, together with ISIS, have carried out the mission of the United States, together with a great number of affiliates that really are kind of interchangeable. You have the Free Syrian Army soldiers move from ISIS to Al Qaeda to Free Syrian Army, rather fluidly. And so we started that war.

But the United States has a strategic policy of using proxies to engage in war. And our objective was to overthrow the legitimate government of Syria, and in order to do that, we employed proxy soldiers who were the most vile of all terrorists. Something very similar is happening right now in in Ukraine. - Col. Richard Black, Sen. Richard Black, who, after serving 31 years in the Marines and in the Army, then served in the Virginia House of Delegates from 1998 to 2006, and in the Virginia Senate from 2012 to 2020.

https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2022/04/26/video-col-richard-black-u-s-leading-world-to-nuclear-war/

I do not think the world will ever know piece while the USA exists as it is. You can include Israel, UK, France with the USA.


Tales of the American Empire: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvq3YadD2uIFb7cFLbTtmFw/videos

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 30 2022 17:13 utc | 50

seem to be a number of posters heavily invested in pretending the Ukronazis are not in fact nazis. just like US propaganda.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 30 2022 17:15 utc | 51

US American public opinion, as manufactured by its media, is now self-identified with Azov Nazis.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 30 2022 15:36 utc | 12

Fixed that for you.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 30 2022 17:19 utc | 52

@Sundial | Apr 30 2022 17:13 utc | 50

I meant "peace" instead of "piece".

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 30 2022 17:19 utc | 53

I dislike the term neo-Nazi as it is applied to Azov and other similar groups. Their effectiveness and scope is no where close to what was done in the 1930s Germany.

I prefer "Poor Imitation National Socialists" or PINAZI. The adherents could then be called "Pinheads". Derision is all they deserve.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 30 2022 17:24 utc | 54

they were very effective killing ukrainian jews and others in world war 2, in ukraine.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 30 2022 17:29 utc | 55

Posted by: BM | Apr 30 2022 16:21 utc | 26

What kind of idiot would carry a photo like that out with him?

Fishy, very fishy.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 30 2022 17:30 utc | 56

...Jewish groups probably bore the central responsibility for provoking the world war, and this was surely recognized by most knowledgeable individuals at the time. Indeed, the Forrestal Diaries recorded the very telling statement by our ambassador in London: “Chamberlain, he says, stated that America and the Jews had forced England into the war.”

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 30 2022 17:11 utc | 49

Indeed. The Zionist Federation declared war on Germany in March 1933 long before anyone else.

https://ia601007.us.archive.org/26/items/14123original1/judea-declares-war-on-germany1.png

Some say they were prescient and knew where this movement was headed. Others say they were steering it in that direction. The balance of evidence points to the latter.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 30 2022 17:37 utc | 57

so now hearsay on hearsay on hearsay is evidence. jews are one influence group. there are a lot of others. i don't like nazis. they and their sympathizers, which includes some right wing jews, have a lot more influence.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 30 2022 17:51 utc | 58

Meanwhile,back at the youghert

Posted by: Kim | Apr 30 2022 17:51 utc | 59

Naturally.

Since the Khazari-Ashkenazi UKRanian Jewish-Tribal Oligarch KOLOMOISKYY owns fellow Tribal Zelenskyy, Biden - AND the Bandera-Nazi (Security+Muscle), it's Okay to Whitewash Ethnocidal Nazis.

It's Okay - Bandera-Nazi and other Nazi Groups are now Owned by Tribals. Those Ethnocidals are disliked everywhere; and Psychopathic Tribals need Ethnocidal Psychopath Mercs/Militia/Assassins do Kill Russians and Intimidate Communitied.

Now that we have a WokeSmug Georgetown Jesuit/Jewish/Washington Foreign Svs School (Khazar-Ashkenazi Tribal? At least her Husband has a Tribal Name) WokedBook and Disney Song Singing DHS Disinformation-Propaganda/Accusation Divisional Cabaret Matron.

https://youtu.be/60PLEXY-yHY

We'll probably see her sing her Delusions of Grandeur disguised as an Endorsement Visit for the Bandera-Nazi holding "Disinformation Prevention" Lectures at Kiev-Lvov

BTW, is she related to This Yancovic?

Posted by: IronForge | Apr 30 2022 17:56 utc | 60

Opport Knocks | Apr 30 2022 17:37 utc | 57

Mein Kampf I think would lay all the bullshit and whitewashing to rest. Hitler made his views known in the mid to late twenties.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 30 2022 17:57 utc | 61

Meanwhile,back at the Yoghurt factory,things are proceeding smoothly.
Shkolny airport in Odessa Airport has just been destroyed by 3 Cruise Missiles.

https://t.me/rybar/31981?single

Posted by: Kim | Apr 30 2022 17:57 utc | 62

I believe the situation in Azovstal comes down to the fact that the Russians want the fighters to surrender to them (and face justice), and as long as those fighters believe they have some chance to escape this fate they will not surrender. Negotiations with the UN and Red Cross will likely fail if the Russians stick to their demands for the same reason the humanitarian corridors fail - the fighters are more afraid of Russian justice than of death.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 30 2022 17:58 utc | 63

Sorry for the typos, was testing links and editing when it posted

Posted by: IronForge | Apr 30 2022 17:59 utc | 64

Next time someone tries to tell you that Ukraine has no Neonazis because they don't hold any seats in Parliament, ask them how many seats the Mafia Party holds in Sicily... then see how long anyone can run a business in Palermo without someone paying you a friendly visit.. and as for Zelensky being jewish... ask them if they ever heard of Stella Goldschlag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Goldschlag

Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 30 2022 18:04 utc | 65

Nothing is new under the sun. The German Nazis had quite a large following and support network in the USA and Canada in the runup to WWII. The US media/newspapers at the time often published not-too-critical if not glowing profiles on them, including the Langley/Oligarch Times (NYT).

The USA is a country of hypocrisy, through and through, and even "conservatives" and isolationists who consider themselves very much "red pilled" are guilty of whitewashing the bits of American history that are uncomfortable to them, hence the drive to ban "woke" books (which are really just books about Black, Latino, Asian and Native peoples' struggles - WELL before the LGBTQ issue was a thing).

My "liberal" friends who I considered relatively intelligent have actually suggested that I leave the country if I hate it so much in response to my skepticism of the official Ukraine innocence and heroism narratives, and they've called me a Putin apologist or stooge for pointing out exactly what b's post today does. The disease of "exceptionalism" leaves few 'exceptions' in the land of Uncle Scam.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 30 2022 18:08 utc | 66

b - "Here is an incomplete collection (h/t Antispin):"

I agree with that recognition but it was Will who first made a list that Antispin expanded upon:
*** Posted by: Will | Mar 22 2022 2:23 utc | 198 ***

That was on the 'Bits of Interest' thread last month

So h/t to Will is in order too.

btw, Will also made an excellent list re Covid some months ago.

Will gets the 'quality over quantity' award for this blog. Thanks Will !

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 30 2022 18:15 utc | 67

Many posters here have been talking nukes possibly being used by Russia against various tactical targets. Also, this particular thread concentrates on the UkroNazis. Those Neofascists are but the frosting on the wedding-cake. Granted, they are also the "fist" as some have pointed out. But the lurking substrate are the central BankSters who are headquartered primarily in City of London and on Wall $treet.

Paraphrasing only somewhat, here's what Henry David Thoreau had to say clear back in the 1840's: "What is the use of hacking away at the branches, when the need is to grub them out by the roots". Eldridge Cleaver, a founder and primary spokesman for the Black Panther Party famously remarked: If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

Employing nukes by either side opens up Pandora's box. Escalation to a probable worldwide catastrophe would be the logical result. So perhaps the solution to getting at the shot-callers who are through their multitudinous minions and cut-outs would be to strike at the heart of the beast via NON-nuclear means. Russia alone possesses hypersonic missiles which appear to be impossible to counter-act. Whatever they happened to be aimed at, they will in extreme probability hit.

Target is the Rottenchild Bank in City of London. Kinetic impact of the missile itself and its conventional explosive load would not only totally demolish that eye of the octopus; it would also result in "collateral damage" to the world center of Banking, of Insurance, of media, of metals and ultimately of the inner courtyard of the worldwide Cabal. This strike would send the most powerful of all possible messages: There is a new Big Dog in town and fun and games time is over.

Message not heeded by the second cesspool in the U$$A, ruled by the Rottenfeller Crime Clan; the second target would be Wall $treet. That single move would collapse the American economy and throw the Di$trict of Corruption into total confusion as the pro$titicians there would no longer hear their masters' voice. Ditto, the mass media of mesmerization and mind-control. Those pre$$titutes would be shitting little green bee-bees.

Harsh scenario, for sure. But this is war. Though being fought at the spiritual level in its highest manifestation as a battle between dark forces of domination and control versus nationalist and traditionalist values; sometimes the lessons must be applied on the material level. Many minds operate singly in the material dimension. Direct overwhelming action, short of nuclear madness may be the only message they will comprehend.

Posted by: Aristodemos | Apr 30 2022 18:17 utc | 68


In 2015 US House voted unanimously to ban funding of Azov but were overruled by the Pentagon. 1/14/2016, “Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill,“ James Carden, The Nation

US taxpayers finance training of Azov: 3/31/2015, “US forces to hold exercises in Ukraine,” AP, Kiev..."Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said in a Facebook post on Sunday that the units to be trained include the Azov Battalion."https://web.archive.org/web/20150403025114/http://www.stripes.com/us-forces-to-hold-exercises-in-ukraine-1.337639

Posted by: susan mullen | Apr 30 2022 18:25 utc | 69

@Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2022 15:25 utc | 9

The comparison of the Azov to the SA is so true, the facilitation and immunity given by the "powers that be" is the basis of their power as you so rightly say. In the end, they are simply a means for the ruling class (for example, Kolomoisky who heavily funded them) to discipline the population with the left already having been crushed/kept down. Same with Mussolini's famous march on the Italian parliament, the army and police could have easily crushed his forces but the orders were given not to.

When they outlive their usefulness, as did the SA with the night of the long knives, they are crushed - as they always could have been if the powers that be wanted to.

In the US of the 1930s is was the New Deal that short-circuited a move to fascism, as a segment of the capitalist elite preferred a corporatist rather than a fascist solution.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 30 2022 18:38 utc | 70

@61 PeteAU1

Again from Unz's great essay:

These important considerations become particularly relevant when we attempt to understand the circumstances surrounding Operation Barbarossa, Germany’s 1941 attack upon the Soviet Union, which constituted the central turning point of the war. Both at the time and during the half-century which followed, Western historians uniformly claimed that the surprise assault had caught an overly-trusting Stalin completely unaware, with Hitler’s motive being his dream of creating the huge German land-empire that he had hinted at in the pages of Mein Kampf, published sixteen years earlier.

But in 1990 a former Soviet military intelligence officer who had defected to the West and was living in Britain dropped a major bombshell. Writing under the pen-name Viktor Suvorov, he had already published a number of highly-regarded books on the armed forces of the USSR, but in Icebreaker he now claimed that his extensive past research in the Soviet archives had revealed that by 1941 Stalin had amassed enormous offensive military forces and positioned them all along the border, preparing to attack and easily overwhelm the greatly outnumbered and outgunned forces of the Wehrmacht, quickly conquering all of Europe.

Then at almost the last moment, Hitler suddenly realized the strategic trap into which he had fallen, and ordered his heavily outnumbered and outgunned troops into a desperate surprise attack of their own on the assembling Soviets, fortuitously catching them at the very point at which their own final preparations for sudden attack had left them most vulnerable, and thereby snatching a major initial victory from the jaws of certain defeat. Huge stockpiles of Soviet ammunition and weaponry had been positioned close to the border to supply the army of invasion into Germany, and these quickly fell into German hands, providing an important addition to their own woefully inadequate resources.

Although almost totally ignored in the English-language world, Suvorov’s seminal book soon became an unprecedented bestseller in Russia, Germany, and many other parts of the world, and together with several follow-up volumes, his five million copies in print established him as the most widely-read military historian in the history of the world. Meanwhile, the English-language media and academic communities scrupulously maintained their complete blackout of the ongoing worldwide debate, with no publishing house even willing to produce an English edition of Suvorov’s books until an editor at the prestigious Naval Academy Press finally broke the embargo nearly two decades later.

In the last thread, a poster was quick to slander the Suvorov's account to discredit him and his research. The question is, if Suvorov's account of Barbarossa is indeed one of the great WW2 Historical Accounts abroad and in the east (5 Million Copies!!!), then why is it that the western academia barely registers his name? And why is it when you try to bring him up, you get immediately quashed and labeled as a peddler of propaganda?

Is it because our entire understanding of the events of WW2 and its horrific aftermath for the west necessitated a clear and unquestionable evil in the Nazis whereby western banking could win the propaganda war against the equally odious Soviets? Perhaps.

The irony is while the east was under an iron curtain, they still had access to Suvorov's account, while the west was busy purging its academics that didn't tow the "Mustache-man Evil" narrative!

Very interesting.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 30 2022 18:43 utc | 71

I see Opport Knocks @57 is now promoting Zionist propaganda.

In fact the Zionists quickly reached an accommodation with the Nazis and did all they could to prevent an economic boycott of Germany. If you want chapter and verse evidence visit Tony Greenstein's excellent blog https://azvsas.blogspot.com/. The Germans wanted to expel the Jews. And the Zionists agreed with them. This is now denied by Israel but it is undeniable. There is a very famous statement by Ben Gurion to the effect that he would rather Jewish kids were killed than integrated into British society and that only Jews coming to Palestine should be supported.

As to the source of your quotation from Forrestal, Nemesis@49. It is not surprising that Neville Chamberlain blamed Jews for the war. He was, as were many Tories in the UK, in favour of preserving the Empire by making a pact with Hitler.
As for the nonsense that the US wanted war with Germany, well, it took them long enough to join in. And even then it was Germany that declared war. The US could not get a Congressional majority to do so. Then as now a lot of those who call themselves "isolationists" are Nazi sympathisers.

Nemesis quotes Unz:
"...It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia is almost completely eliminated. Soviet Russia, if mentioned at all, is mentioned in a friendly manner and things are presented in such a way that it would seem that the Soviet Union were cooperating with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the clever propaganda the sympathies of the American public are completely on the side of Red Spain."

Unz, not accidentally, misses the reality which was that the South, a solid Democratic Party bloc, was committed to pretty well the same racist policies (cf Nuremberg Laws) that Hitler's government was following. Jim Crow was a leading inspiration to the Nazis. They modelled their geopolitics on the example of US treatment of the indigenous peoples- genocide. They cast the slavic Russians in the role played by the First Nations of America.
Thus it was that Congress, together with Big Business, fought not Nazi but Communist influence. Unz is either lying or monumentally ignorant.
Who was the House Unamerican Activities Committee aimed at Ron?
It is certainly true that, much to the despair of the US ruling classes, the Communists were very popular in many areas. Why would they not be? Among black people it was they who led the fight against racism. It was they who helped organise the Unions, including in the South, which formed the CIO and, as the bumper stickers used to boast, turned the working class into the "middle class." It was they who organised support for the Spanish Republic, whose cause- democracy, equality, republicanism- was widely supported. The same could be said of popular support for Mao, Chu Teh and the Eighth Route Army (the one that fought the Japanese).

".. Given the heavy Jewish involvement in financing Churchill and his allies and also steering the American government and public in the direction of war against Germany, organized Jewish groups probably bore the central responsibility for provoking the world war, and this was surely recognized by most knowledgeable individuals at the time... "
So, it wasn't Hitler but the Jews who were responsible for the war?

This is utter baloney: the Labour Party and the Trade Union movement were totally opposed to compromising with Hitler, if only because they knew, after almost a decade of close observation, what would happen to them under a Hitler friendly regime. For every Jew sent to a Concentration Camp and beaten to death by the guards, ten German workers of non Jewish persuasions were victimised. The Jews were little more than props 'scapegoats' for propaganda, convenient villains for ordinary people persuadable that their enemies were not the Junkers, Industrialists and financiers but Jews. Most ordinary Germans knew better, one wonders why Unz and Nemesis cannot see what is plain to any observer of history.

We often talk, and rightly, of the terrible treatment of the Russians at the hands of the Nazis- more than 25 million dead. But what "the friends of Germany" like Nemesis forget is that the primary victims of Hitler's regime were the German people. They were being killed by Nazis long before 1933. Rosa Luxemburg, for example, was clearly the prototype of the villainy of a ruling class which sponsored Nazism and thrived off it. It is true that any worker looking askance at Hitler's regime would be killed by the Gestapo- and that the same could be said of workers across Occupied Europe (Marc Bloch, the great historian among them)- so that there is very little documentary evidence of German Resistance to fascism, after 1933 in Germany. But the millions who died on Hitler's battlefields contained millions who were conscripted to fight against their own interests. And they knew it.

Let us be clear, those who come here with their revisionist, pro-Hitler, anti- Soviet propaganda are ion the same side as the Bandera fascists, the Azov, Zelensky, Biden, the CIA, Downing Street and MI6, NATO and the Mighty Wurlitzer.
Actually they are not insignificant contributors to the sound of that Wurlitzer, which, historically, since the foundation of the CIA and the commencement of the Cold War has always included, as a crucial element Unreconstructed Fascists. Their contribution is as important as Unit 731's to Fort Detrick.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2022 18:44 utc | 72

The Russians are missing a great public relations opportunity by failing to hammer their efforts to co-operate with the UN and Red Cross to assist with the evacuation of civilians from Azovstal -- they could start with convening a UNSC meeting to pass a resolution to encourage (direct?) Zelensky to tell the Ukr military to immediately release the Azovstal civilians to the UN/Red Cross/Russians group that is already in place.

It can be emphasized again and again that the civilians serve no purpose other than being human shields -- if Zelensky refuses or the US vetos, significant blame could be placed on them for refusing a humanitarian action and for implicitly supporting the use of human shields.

Posted by: chet380 | Apr 30 2022 18:44 utc | 73

An important article about Ukrainian Nazism:

Ukrainian national battalions are pagan orders, and they don’t even consider Russians to be Slavs - Komsomolskaya Pravda, April 27, 2022

I have posted a machine translation of the article on my VK page here.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 30 2022 18:45 utc | 74

Aristodemos | Apr 30 2022 18:17 utc | 68

Nuke? Far too messy, and there would be a large number of civilian casualties with no ties to the Roths.

On the other hand a nuke set off some way ABOVE the target city, or within a certain radius would produce an EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) that would do enormous damage to electronic apparatus and records (Discs and other hardware, communication and banking systems etc.). Military systems are supposed to be proofed against such a happening, but I doubt that many civilian systems are as well.

Of course the action of SENDING a missile (with or without nuke) is an act of aggression and would lead to overall war anyway, even if targetting a "non-combatant" country. So it would also be an extremely dumb idea.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 30 2022 18:49 utc | 75

Careful what you wish for Liz Truss and Co.

Russian "Sarmat" will destroy London in 2 minutes 2 seconds

https://avia-pro.net/news/rossiyskiy-sarmat-unichtozhit-london-za-2-minuty-2-sekundy

Posted by: Kim | Apr 30 2022 18:50 utc | 76

Posted by: krypton | Apr 30 2022 16:15 utc | 21

Yes.

And whatever the present % of western Nazis and their sympathizers, the % is sure to increase given all of the positive press and the adulation given to Nazis in the western press. Nazism becomes the new Woke and cancel culture operates against any voice of reason.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 30 2022 18:52 utc | 77

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf#Current_availability
At the time of his suicide, Hitler's official place of residence was in Munich, which led to his entire estate, including all rights to Mein Kampf, changing to the ownership of the state of Bavaria. The government of Bavaria, in agreement with the federal government of Germany, refused to allow any copying or printing of the book in Germany. It also opposed copying and printing in other countries, but with less success. As per German copyright law, the entire text entered the public domain on 1 January 2016, upon the expiration of the calendar year 70 years after the author's death.[55]

Four years on and the entire western media are whitewashing nazism. I see it was a best seller in Turkey in the early 2000's. Looks to be the go to book for any version of extreme nationalism/exceptionalism - just a mater of adjusting the target to suit your preferred nationalist flavour but in the end it all comes down to a belief in exceptionalism.

And for the one or two history rewriters here
https://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch07.html
Volume Two - The National Socialist Movement
Chapter VII: The Struggle with the Red Front

https://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch10.html
Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter X: Causes of the Collapse

https://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html
Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter XI: Nation and Race

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 30 2022 18:54 utc | 78

@78 Peter AU1

Midwit-status confirmed!

I will be sure to avoid any intellectual debate with you from this point on.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 30 2022 18:56 utc | 79

In the last thread," writes Nemesis, "a poster was quick to slander the Suvorov's account to discredit him and his research. The question is, if Suvorov's account of Barbarossa is indeed one of the great WW2 Historical Accounts abroad and in the east (5 Million Copies!!!), then why is it that the western academia barely registers his name? And why is it when you try to bring him up, you get immediately quashed and labeled as a peddler of propaganda?"

You already answered that:
"...in 1990 a former Soviet military intelligence officer who had defected to the West and was living in Britain dropped a major bombshell. Writing under the pen-name Viktor Suvorov, ...in Icebreaker he now claimed that his extensive past research in the Soviet archives had revealed that by 1941 Stalin had amassed enormous offensive military forces and positioned them all along the border, preparing to attack and easily overwhelm the greatly outnumbered and outgunned forces of the Wehrmacht, quickly conquering all of Europe."

He was a traitor, looking for ways to make money who saw a very juicy opportunity. This was in 1990.

Then there is this. To say the least it paints a very poor picture of the German General Staff. But then Hitler was always having to correct their errors.

"..at almost the last moment, Hitler suddenly realized the strategic trap into which he had fallen, and ordered his heavily outnumbered and outgunned troops into a desperate surprise attack of their own on the assembling Soviets, fortuitously catching them at the very point at which their own final preparations for sudden attack had left them most vulnerable, and thereby snatching a major initial victory from the jaws of certain defeat. Huge stockpiles of Soviet ammunition and weaponry had been positioned close to the border to supply the army of invasion into Germany, and these quickly fell into German hands, providing an important addition to their own woefully inadequate resources."

All I can say is that anyone who takes guff like that seriously deserves our collective and sincere pity.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2022 18:59 utc | 80

Hi b, thanks for the thought-provoking post. I looked up the Twitter accounts of two journalists credited in those last two articles and it was interesting.
(https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1520022997800820737)
(https://twitter.com/tiefenthaeler/status/1517528313236963329)

But my thoughts were already provoked by news of ballet in Canada — satirical from the Beaverton, and actually serious from Kelowna (small city in interior BC but big on creativity with their version of Macbeth!! Vid midway down the page)

https://globalnews.ca/news/8799790/foreign-ballet-dancers-russia-ukraine-war/

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2022/04/modern-baryshnikov-artfully-dodges-the-steam-unleashed-by-microwave-dinner/

And what about this reformed neo-Nazi brother?
https://twitter.com/SStricklandMMA/status/1520089844566740993

Archbishop of Canterbury to visit a First Nation in Saskatchewan; ‘repent and atone’ for hurtful actions
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/archbishop-of-canterbury-james-smith-cree-nation-1.6435852

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Apr 30 2022 19:07 utc | 81

I see that the "Its all the Jews" group is somewhat rampant today, together with the "The Soviets were going to attack Nazi Germany" silliness. The latter is of course completely unsupported by any of the actual German war planning documents, and even the thought that an invasion on the scale of Barbarossa could be cobbled together at short notice is utterly ridiculous. Hitler's own speeches and writings make it very clear that he viewed the Soviet Union as the lebensraum and German planning documents back up the extensive planning for Barbarossa.

I see such discourses as classic disinformation, redirecting attention away from the Anglo-elite in the UK and then the US that has held power for hundreds of years. Israel and the Jewish lobby are useful tools of plausible deniability for the elites to do what they wanted to do anyway. The actual elite have seen off their challengers, France, Spain, Germany (twice - WW1 and WWW2), the Soviet Union, Japan (twice - WW2 and the 1980/90s) successfully, but became too lazy and arrogant to forestall a much greater threat in China/Russia/Iran which may very soon add India. As Mr. Hudson has so eloquently stated this is a Western upper class war on the rest, in their own nations and against the challenger nations.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 30 2022 19:09 utc | 82

Per my Tweet links in 81 … I screwed them up with that closing bracket at the end. Just take that off and they should work. Sorry.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Apr 30 2022 19:09 utc | 83

@Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2022 18:59 utc | 80

"All I can say is that anyone who takes guff like that seriously deserves our collective and sincere pity."

I could not agree more, perfectly put.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 30 2022 19:12 utc | 84

It was reported before the election in 2016 that Hillary promised oligarch Haim Saban of Israel in exchange for his support and influence among American Jews that she would be OK with 20 thousand Palestinian dead in the next Gaza intifada. WTF???? This is the Democrat party? Of course, Madam Allbright working under Bill Clinton had her memory etched into history forever with her famous “ worth it” remark. This is real genocide. These fake Nazi mercs in Ukraine are not the problem. The problem is deep, generational Zionist bloodlust.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 30 2022 19:12 utc | 85

Currently a main Azov unit is sitting in the basement of the Azovstal metalworks in Mariupol surrounded by Russian troops. It claims to have civilian hostages

Hostages - or perhaps their families and political/foreign bosses equally nazi just pretending hostages.

Anyway, they seemingly started to walk out: https://tass.ru/obschestvo/14527319

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 30 2022 19:14 utc | 86

It's sad, but America gets its news spoon fed to it, and has no long term memory. As a result, any dumb ass neocon agenda is able to be repeated every few years. Cancel culture is strong too, so going against the narrative is dangerous in America.

Also, America didn't get the full Nazi experience. They didn't devastate America. So rehabilitating a group of Nazi's if it suits today's 'thing' is easier in America.

The MSM's Ukraine Neo-Nazi Amnesia


An Anti-Ukraine Meme Gets A Fact Check

Posted by: Will | Apr 30 2022 19:16 utc | 87

Fixed that for you.
Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 30 2022 17:19 utc | 52

I'm thinking of oldhippie's account yesterday (I think) of conversations with US American neighbors. No different from my own experience, out here in the Bay Area: A sane mind is hard to find -- harder than ever. Immersed in suffusive idiocy, it gets tricky figuring out whence, how, and by whom all the madness was manufactured.

So thanks for the fix, but it's maybe a tad facile, and lets the polity off the hook, just for being freaking lazy. This lack of intellectual rigor (forgetting, for instance, that "Nazi" used to be something USA fought against) angers me. My (exquisitely dull) posts consistently demonstrate than I'm not any brighter than anyone, and yet I'm able to figure out what's going on, despite my limitations.

Grown-ups have the most serious responsibility to protect children from a torrent of stresses, using every human resource available. Mothers and fathers summon extraordinary strength to rescue their children, at times. The mind is a muscle. For the sake of rising generations, the mind has to keep its strength up.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 30 2022 19:16 utc | 88

Uk Column was really good Friday.

Here's one story,

US Attempts To Establish It's Ministry of Truth.

Play from mark 59:20

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-29th-april-2022

Posted by: Kim | Apr 30 2022 19:19 utc | 89

Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Apr 30 2022 16:26 utc | 30

Excellent channel with a lot of good material from Russian sources plus nice tunes, like this one by Tsoy&Kino with images of its day, the Perestroika and the Yeltsyn catastrophe.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/2885

Sasha Kots is a solid front line reporter, but he allowed himself some freedom for a laugh concerning the Hollywood stars that bank on humanitarian tourism. Angelina in Lvov.

https://t.me/sashakots/32048

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 30 2022 16:42 utc | 38

Yes, denazification will take a long time, that tumor is widely extended in the west, Ukraine is not the only culprit, it's the victim of the true hidden nazis in corporate offices and three piece suits.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 30 2022 19:19 utc | 90

Well of course the AZOV nazi regiment has to be white washed.

After all the carefully build up narrative of Ukraine is snow white and Russia is pitch black has to be maintained.

We can't have media consumers starting to have doubts on whether Ukraine is snow white, then people might start investigating things we can't have that.

It has to be a very simple black and white story. Ukraine is a peace loving, Democracy freedom loving country like us and the evil Russian communist totalitarian dictator Putin that want to rebuild the soviet union and opress everyone again, the super villain, all of the the sudden on a beautiful day in Ukraine wiht a clear blue sky started shooting up the country and the here comes us the western white knight to the rescue.

Not a coincidence either that this comes from the New York times, in the USA they are more or less the high priest of how people should think a sort of privatized ministry of truth

Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 30 2022 19:20 utc | 91

Also, Bernard. You said FRG Gepards were weapons similar to USSR Shilka, today only dangerous in few edge scenarios, like ambushng helicopters from garages or other buildings.

But, why only air defense? Shilka was known to be used in Afghanistan and Syria as mobile large caliber high-speed changun.
Anti-personnel, especially against militants hding in civilian buildings, those buildings Shilka's chainguns was slicing like salami, with everyone that hid their. Basically, the role that today often called as "tanks support vehicle".

In 2007 novel "Epoch of deadborns" it was argued Poland's PZA Loara is also perfectly fit for anti-personnel anti-urban warfare, while nominally an AD unit.

Does FRG's Gepard has something that limits it to AD-only application? If not, if it also can be used as mobile super-strong chaingun, then the problem of "training Gepard gunners takes a year or more" just does not exist. Gepards just would be gifted to Ukraine in anti-personnel, not in AD capacity.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 30 2022 19:24 utc | 92

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 30 2022 18:08 utc | 66

"The USA is a country of hypocrisy, through and through, and even "conservatives" and isolationists who consider themselves very much "red pilled" are guilty of whitewashing the bits of American history that are uncomfortable to them, hence the drive to ban "woke" books (which are really just books about Black, Latino, Asian and Native peoples' struggles - WELL before the LGBTQ issue was a thing).

...

The disease of "exceptionalism" leaves few 'exceptions' in the land of Uncle Scam."

It's partly a cognitive thing. Speech uses concept. Concept is exclusionary in that when you think 'book' it excludes all other things and notions for the notion of 'book' to make sense. This is true for abstracts as well, which is why demonization is so effective. If you establish something as 'bad' then it cannot be in any other category like good, friendly, reasonable, desirable, close, allied etc. It is bad. If you have concepts that access levels of belief which determine perception-bias it is almost impossible to dislodge them.

Once you have a settled notion of words like Nazi, Ukraine, Russia, Putin, CIA, WEF and so forth, they are very hard to change. If you are a typical Democrat voter these days you have probably assimilated various emotively fixed notions of what 'Republicans' or 'the right' or 'conservatives' and so forth are and believe, truly, that they threaten to destroy democracy and lead us into some sort of hyper-conservative fundamentalist hell realm. Similarly, many Republicans now believe that all on the left hate the country deeply and are determined to destroy democracy and lead us into some sort of hyper-progressive, satanic hell realm.

With such biases firmly in place partly to do with how the mind cognitively processes concept and also how certain key concepts have been deliberately manipulated for emotive and belief system effects, it is hardly surprising that since we can barely discuss anything with nuance or doubt any more that cancel culture is all the rage.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 30 2022 19:30 utc | 93

From an article posted on RT today:

"...However, at the outset of the Syrian Civil War in 2011, Assad attempted to offer opposition fighters amnesty in exchange for surrender. This offer was rejected by the United States, with State Department official Victoria Nuland advising the opposition to ignore Assad’s offer and continue fighting. ..."

VN - finger in oh so many pies, finger with a drop or two of poison.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 30 2022 19:33 utc | 94

@80 bevin

Honestly, it makes no difference to me whether the crowd takes your side or mine.

It makes absolutely no difference in the longrun, because either one of two options will transpire in the near future:

1) nuclear war
Or
2) western economic collapse

If option 1, what good is it to me to be able to try to convince my fellow marauding cannibals that it "was all the jews fault"?

If option 2, nationalism as a spiritually dialectic force will be reinvigorated and intelligent debate will once again be allowed to occur. At that point, we will be able to speak freely about the perils of the (((current financial arrangement))).

In any case, I feel quite relieved and patient knowing there will come a day in the not-to-distant future where I will be able to speak clearly and openly about certain verboten topics where I will no longer be at risk for losing employment or the like.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 30 2022 19:34 utc | 95

https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604

Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes
By Damien Sharkov On 9/10/14 at 12:36 PM EDT


Groups of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists are committing war crimes in the rebel-held territories of Eastern Ukraine, according to a report from Amnesty International, as evidence emerged in local media of the volunteer militias beheading their victims.

...

Amnesty's statement came before images of what appeared to be the severed heads of two civilians' started circulating on social media today, identified by Russian news channel NTV as the heads of rebel hostages.

...

Shortly after, Kiev-based news network Pravilnoe TV reported that it had spoken with one of the mothers of the victims who confirmed her son was a rebel, captured during fighting in Donetsk.

She said she had received her son's head in a wooden box in the post
...

Posted by: xor | Apr 30 2022 19:38 utc | 96

Authorities in the Ukrainian port city of Odessa have set a 24-hour curfew from May 1-3 to prevent protests commemorating the burning alive on May 2, 2014 of 48 people who had rejected the U.S.-backed coup in Kiev earlier that year.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/30/curfew-for-anniversary-of-odessa-massacre-that-sparked-rebellion/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 30 2022 19:41 utc | 97

Posted by: chet380 | Apr 30 2022 18:44 utc | 73

I don't think that any PR of the Russians as you suggest would have any effect at all in the west.

I think if the Russians would do what you suggest they do, the western media would simply ignore it all like it did not happen and instead print any fantasies story about the events that the Ukranians side tells instead.

Like any neutral observer that has not had his head pumped full of anti Russian agitprop form western media has already figured out that the civilians in the AZOV steel factorie must be hostages / human shields, after all nobody lives in a steel factory and in war no civilan flees towards a front line military base, since that is the most unsafe place you can be.

Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 30 2022 19:45 utc | 98

The white washing is also ramping up in Canada...tugging at our heartstrings with the sad tale of the wives of Nazis trapped in Mariupol.

https://www.cheknews.ca/wives-of-mariupol-defenders-appeal-for-soldiers-evacuation-1020917/

Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Apr 30 2022 19:48 utc | 99

Twenty years ago, western countries wouldn't have allied themselves to a country with a neo-Nazi battalion in its armed forces.
This follows western support for branches of al qaeda in Syria.
When did being on the same side as extremists become acceptable? Political morality seems to be a thing of the past, unfortunately.

Posted by: D J G | Apr 30 2022 19:55 utc | 100

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