Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 8, 2022
Ukrainian Tochka-U Missile Killed Dozens At Kramatorsk Train Station

The current top headline of the New York Times is:

Live Updates: Russia Strikes Train Station, Ukraine Says, as Thousands Flee From East

“Dozens” were feared dead and injured, a local official said, after a missile strike in Kramatorsk, which had been a main point of evacuation for people trying to leave eastern Ukraine.

CNN quotes an Ukrainian military official who described it as an Iskander missile strike:

Two missiles struck the station, according to the head of Ukraine's national rail system, Oleksandr Kamyshin. Pavlo Kyrylenko, the head of Donetsk regional military administration, said the Russian military used Iskander short-range ballistic missiles.

A pro-Ukrainian twitter account also describes this as a result of the missile attack (the time stamp is UTC+2):


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The same account describes this as the remains of the booster section of the missile that hit the train station:

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The picture in full size:


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Another view of the debris from a different account:


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A check with Tineye proves that the pictures above have not be published earlier. They are new.

The booster section of a missile typically departs from the war head in mid-flight and lands separately. However, the booster section shown in the above pictures is from a Tochka-U missile.

Here are pictures from GlobalSecurity.org of the SS-21 SCARAB (9K79 Tochka) system. The booster section is the aft half to the right:


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When unfolded the fins and the grid stabilizers are clearly identifiable.


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Russia, unlike the Ukraine, is no longer using Tochka-U missiles. They have been replaced by Iskandar missile systems. As the not recently edited Wikipedia entry about Tochka operators says:

Russia – 220 launchers. Missile systems have been upgraded since 2004 (replacing the onboard automated control systems) and are scheduled to be replaced by the 9K720 Iskander missiles by 2020

In a March 16 press release Russia denied that its forces still use Tochka-U missiles:

UNITED NATIONS, March 16. /TASS/. Tochka-U tactical missiles are not in service in Russian Armed Forces, Russian mission to the UN said in its letter to the UN Security Council and General Assembly.

"Given the proven record of the Kiev regime promoting false allegations and fake evidence, it should be noted that Tochka-U tactical missiles are not in service in the Russian Armed Forces," the letter says.

Ukraine, which has retained some 90 launcher systems for Tochka-U missiles from Soviet times, has recently fired several of these against Russian and Donbas forces.

I have failed to find any recent reports of the use of Tochka missiles by Russian forces.

This clipping from the most recent Southfront map shows Kramatorsk right in the middle and not immediately near the frontline.


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A current situation report says that Russia has recently systematically disabled train tracks along the Ukrainian supply lines to the Donbas front:

As the big showdown in Donbass looms, a lot of forces are pouring in on both sides. Russia has shifted strategies and is now striking railway stations and reinforcement hubs / corridors, as many have hoped it would do. Overnight there were several reports of important railway hubs being hit by missiles. One near Zhytomir, which is possibly the single most important reinforcement hub to the frontlines in all of western Ukraine. Reinforcements being sent to frontlines were reportedly destroyed in the strike, though there’s no visual confirmation. And another in Kharkov region – just south, in Lozovaya – which evoked a video message plea from the Kharkov mayor who said railways were hit, oil has run out, but pleaded for people not to flee (presumably because the militants who control him need citizens to use as hostages / human shields just like in Mariupol).

As can be seen on this map, the Lozovaya junction is a critical resupply / reinforcement route for the Ukrop Donbass cauldron and specifically their stronghold of Kramatorsk, which had been the central headquarters of the entire JFO for some time. And other reports said a railway bridge was hit leading to that junction as well.


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Of note is that so far all Russian attacks on train junctions were reported to have happened at night time.

As Russia has already interrupted the train lines west of Kramatorsk, and thereby stopped resupplies to it, it has no need to attack Kramatorsk station at all.

It is therefore almost assured that it was a Ukrainian missile that today hit Kramatorsk station. It was either aimed badly, went off course or was intentionally aimed at it for propaganda purposes. (The 'for the children' marking in Russian on the booster section may point to the later cause.)

We have no further information for us to decide which is the case.

Comments

Catch-up Post For Friday…
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2022 17:11 utc | 169
When I say the trials won’t happen, I mean the Western ones will be irrelevant because no one can do anything to the Russians, and the Russian ones will be igmored in the West. However, the Russian trials will produce detailed information on the crimes of Ukraine and possibly the West, and will result in executions and prison terms for a hell of a lot of people. That will be a good outcome – but still irrelevant in the overall scheme of things.
Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 8 2022 17:20 utc | 171
Yes, this is part of my idea that the US wants to see NATO almost destroyed in order to tie the EU’s defense totally to the US military-industrial complex, even more so than it is already. But I don’t think the US wants the EU destroyed, because then they can’t sell them anything – except maybe just rebuilding. But who knows, maybe they do – rebuild first, then sell them stuff.
Listening to The Duran from Thursday with Gonzalo Lira.
Biden loves Russian oil (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAqcyVTXlH4
Couple notes:
1) Lira acknowledges Moon of Alabama as a great Web site.
2) Alexander Christoforou suggested that Russia might go all the way to Lviv, in order to deal with the Bandera movement completely, and Alexander Mercouris suggested that war imposes its own logic so that might be the case. [Nice to see my notions aren’t completely crazy…]
3) Gonzalo then chimed in saying he expected Russia to take over the whole country and in 2-4 years there would be a rump Ukrainian state from the west to Kiev under Victor Medvechuk and everything else will belong to Russia, and explicitly not any “Novorossiya”. He believes this is because the anti-Russia sanctions and Russian hate campaign have hardened Russia’s will. Mercouris agreed that “the Novorossiya project is dead” based on interviews with Donbass citizens.
4) Gonzalo also points out the number of people who fled. He expects at least a third of them to never come back to Ukraine.
5) Mercouris points out that even the academic demographic of Russian society, although small, used to be the biggest critics of Putin and based on reports even they are now supporting the operation as a result of all the anti-Russia hatred campaign.
From Donbass Insider Telegram channel:

The candidacy of the DPR Ambassador to the Russian Federation has been determined, and the recognizing the Republic abroad may accelerate – Natalia Nikonorova
During a press conference, the head of the DPR Foreign Ministry said that a request for an agrement of the ambassador candidacy had already been sent to the Russian Federation :
“We will definitely let you know when we receive a response to our request. Active preparations for embassy opening are underway, we hope that this event will happen within a month.”
Regarding the recognition of the DPR by other countries, the Minister noted:
“The work of the DPR Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the international recognition of our state has been carried out constantly and systematically for all 8 years. Previously, there were deterrents in the form of Minsk agreements. Accordingly, representatives of states expressed some doubts about possibility of recognizing the DPR. But since now the political and legal reality has changed, we hope that the establishing official contacts with other countries will go faster. We have grounds for such hope.”

Side Note: This Nikonorova is a very hot blonde. 🙂 Here’s a pic: https://dan-news.info/storage/c/2017/02/21/1623123167_771974_89.jpg

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 9 2022 7:52 utc | 401

🇺🇦 Kiev nationalist regime is preparing another provocation to accuse Russia of allegedly massacring civilians in Irpen, Kiev Region
❗️Units of the Russian Armed Forces left the town more than a week ago.
▫️The Security Service of Ukraine plans to bring the bodies of local residents killed by Ukrainian artillery shelling from the morgue of the town hospital on Polevaya Street to the basement of a building on the eastern outskirts of Irpen.
▫️Then a staged action with shooting and “destruction” of an alleged “Russian reconnaissance group” that arrived in Irpen “to kill witnesses of Russian war crimes” will be staged by the Security Service of Ukraine in Puscha-Voditskii forest area.
▫️At the same time, the bodies of captured Russian servicemen previously killed by nationalists under torture will be presented as “undeniable evidence” in the forest.
▫️This cynical staged action is organised for later distribution of video footage through the Western media.
📑 Full text of Russian Defence Ministry Briefing
(https://t.me/mod_russia_en/777)#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 9 2022 8:21 utc | 402

“Vodka with a dash of ivermectin please.” – Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 9 2022 0:41 utc
Make mine Russian vodka, Uncle W.
Na Zdorovie!

Posted by: spudski | Apr 9 2022 8:27 utc | 403

Shot Tony.

Posted by: Jezabeel | Apr 9 2022 8:31 utc | 404

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 9 2022 7:25 utc | 405
Time to brush up on your Latin !
libraria is Latin for a collection of books. Unfortunately you have confused yourself with “Liber” as a book and pursued a false premiss to an erroneous conclusion

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 9 2022 8:44 utc | 405

@karloff 305:
Are you willing to exclude the possibility of NATO using a nuclear weapon on Kiev if necessary? I certainly wouldn’t.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 9 2022 9:03 utc | 406

Paco | Apr 9 2022 6:52 utc | 399
Yes, Victory’s grandmother has undoubtedly become for Russia a symbol of the liberation of Ukraine from the pro-Western puppets of the globalists. One is bad. If she and her husband are still alive, they could be targets for Ukrainian puppets. I hope that the Russian special forces will have time to carry out an operation to evacuate them to Russia.

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Apr 9 2022 9:04 utc | 407

Tochka-U has a CEP of 150meters. That means when it lands 50% of the time it will be within a 150meter radius of where it was pointed. Or you could say 50% of the time it land inside a circle with a diameter of 300 meters. Or it did when it was produced more than thirty years ago. This is not real good when the purpose of the exercise is to set up a photo op.
Tochka carries a warhead of 400 to 500kg, depending on range and generation. Does anyone see the results of half a ton of high explosives, or a half ton of mixed explosive and shrapnel/grapeshot?

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 9 2022 9:08 utc | 408

@1 Something Is Missing
Actually that’s the least unbelievable thing about this. The Tochka U motor section pops off once the fuel is expended, falling away while the warhead continues on a ballistic trajectory. The motor section with the fins was nowhere near the warhead explosion and so only suffered damage from hitting the ground.
Also, it was not a single explosive body warhead but a collection of smaller warheads (hence “cluster munitions”) so there isn’t one gigantic explosion but many small ones dispersed over an area.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 9 2022 9:15 utc | 409

Posted by: xototox | Apr 9 2022 3:05 utc | 364

I tried quite a few times to explain to people what a blessing Trump was for Europe back then, but most didn’t get it. He was the perfect opportunity to get out of that abusive relationship with the US, and it might have succeeded if he would have won the second term. Every single politician in Europe hated him, all the media here hated him, and he showed nothing but contempt for Europe (and especially Germany, where his ancestors came from 😀 ). One term more and we might have been free. But as soon as Biden came into office, the brownnosing and dicksucking started again, the good ol’ networks were whole again, and the plan could proceed.

That was my perception as well during the campaign for the 2017 US presidential elections. In my naive mind, the immense effort put into portraying candidate Trump in such a negative way could only diminish the dangerous atlanticist drift experienced over the decades. In the eyes of all, the man was a leper. Surely, no head of state would even want to be in the same photo frame as him at the upcoming G20 summit. For that reason alone, I too welcomed his election.
But that was underestimating the daily narrative miracle and misunderstanding the nature of the manipulation.
That negative media attention never waned. In fact, it grew considerably. However, it remained solidly locked on Trump the individual. Like an insurmountable gravity well, the man monopolized all the attention and, more importantly, all the ire. Whereas people should have been paying attention at the wider aspects of international affairs, they were instead absorbed by repeated stories of petty buffoonery.
Worse yet, the transfer of the public’s perception of the US onto a single, despised individual, greatly diminished the impact of America’s belligerence. The public’s outrage meter was both saturated and misdirected. People would expect (and relish) daily reports of all things Trump. Say the story du jour was about lack of etiquette, like asking for ketchup at the ambassador’s banquet. The reaction would be: “He did what? And washed it down with a milk shake too? God I hate that man!” And the outrage meter would jump to 10. And when the news reported the US’s departure of START, that outrage meter may have also jumped to 10, but it was now scaled to that of a single, despised individual. The reaction would be “Tss tss, that awful man. God I hate him! So what else did he do?”

Posted by: robin | Apr 9 2022 9:18 utc | 410

Briefing by Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov as of 9 a.m. on April 9, 2022
▪️The Russian Armed Forces continue to conduct a special military operation in Ukraine.
▪️ A MiG-29 fighter jet and Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian air force, as well as a warehouse with air-defence equipment, were destroyed during aerial reconnaissance at the military airfield MIRGOROD, Poltava region.
▪ Russian air defence forces shot down four Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of Belogorka, KRASNOGOROVKA and KRUTAYA BALKA.
▪️Operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Air Force and missile forces hit 85 Ukrainian military facilities.
Among them: two command posts, three multiple rocket launchers, four self-propelled artillery pieces, a field ammunition depot with an ammunition supply point, two logistics depots, and four strongholds and staging areas for Ukrainian military equipment.
Since the start of the special military operation, a total of 127 aircraft, 98 helicopters, 425 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,031 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 228 multiple rocket launchers, 880 field artillery guns and mortars, and 1,932 pieces of special military vehicle equipment were destroyed.
▪️The confirmed reports indicate that the Kiev nationalist regime is preparing yet another provocation to accuse Russia of allegedly massacring civilians in IRPEN in the Kiev region.
I would like to draw your attention to the fact that units of the Russian armed forces left this settlement more than a week ago.
The SBU officers plan to bring the bodies of local residents killed by Ukrainian artillery shelling from the morgue at the city hospital on Polevaya Street to the basement of a building on the eastern outskirts of IRPEN.
Then, a staged action with shooting and “elimination” of an alleged “Russian reconnaissance group” that arrived in IRPEN “to kill witnesses of Russian war crimes” will be organized in the Pushcha-Voditsa forest area by the SBU.
At the same time, the bodies of captive Russian servicemen previously killed by nationalists under torture will be presented as “indisputable evidence” in the forest.
This cynical staged action is organized for the subsequent distribution of video footage through the Western media.

Posted by: sitrep | Apr 9 2022 9:18 utc | 411

Finishing up listening to Friday’s Duran video with Christoforou and Mercouris… Recommend everyone listen to it…
Neocons/EU push to prolong conflict to achieve Putin regime change goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phu1Caw-gbY
Rather depressing. Both have concluded that the neocons’ escalation – as Mercouris says, “the neocons don’t have a reverse gear” – is going to continue for the next few months, including more and more of these false flag incidents in Ukraine, right up to the West “going all in” with no-fly zones and the like.
As Mercouris says, “what do you do when you pour in all these weapons and Ukraine still loses?” “What does Borrell do and the rest?”
They suggest that Russia is likely to harden its attitude towards Ukraine, as appears to be happening in Russian society, and that they don’t know whether Putin understands that the neocons will escalate without end the longer the war continues, although they think Lavrov and the Russian military do. They note that Putin, inside Russia, is more or less considered a “moderate” compared to other Russian leaders, and that his previous comments about the West as “our partners” has substantially grated in much of Russian society.
Mercouris also points out that there will be no independent investigation of either Bucha or Kramatorsk.
He reiterates that in his Friday personal Youtube channel video. He dismisses Russia being removed from the UN Human Rights Council, calling it a “talking shop”, and that the removal was staged based on the alleged incidents in Ukraine, but that the end result was a fiasco because the number of countries who voted against or abstained or was absent exceed the number that voted for, much like the UNGA vote a few weeks ago.
He notes that at the NATO Summit Meeting the Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba desperately requested more armor, but that the Eastern European countries are running out of armor. Ukraine and the eastern European countries have also run out of Soviet artillery ammunition and the western powers can’t replace them with NATO shells because they use a different caliber. So now they are debating whether to send NATO equipment instead. But that has caused serious debate, especially in Germany between the Greens and the other parties.
He gives it the summer. If the situation isn’t resolved by fall and winter, things are likely to be escalated beyond recovery. This includes the diplomatic negotiations, the economic situation and the military situation.
We’ll see.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 9 2022 9:28 utc | 412

I’m sorry the video can’t be viewed here but it shows Ukrainian Fascists executing wounded Russian soldiers and a captured Ukrainian soldier viewing the video and covering his eyes. Heartbreaking! And these are the defenders of Western ‘Democracy’!

[Forwarded from Ostashko! Important]
[ Video ]
“It’s not humanly easy”
Footage 18+
A captive AFU artilleryman was shown a video of Ukrainian Nazis massacring wounded Russian fighters.
That’s right they show it, let them blush.

https://t.me/c/1262772134/9587

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 9 2022 9:31 utc | 413

As a tangental matter which may be of interest to barflies:
I am reliably informed that in East Slavic languages , “Zelinsky” means “green”.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 9 2022 9:41 utc | 414

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 9 2022 8:44 utc | 414
Did you notice the quote marks ?? They means that I took the material from someone else who discussed the disappearance of the collection of books. Hence it is you who is confused as to whose text was in the quotes.

Liberia has nothing to do with Liberia, a country in Africa. The Latin word «liber» stands for «book», so Liberia means library, the collection of books in Greek.

“pursued a false premiss to an erroneous conclusion”
So what is the erroneous conclusion ? That Ivan didn’t have a “Liberia” ? The writer made the mistake of saying the word was Greek, but it certainly does not destroy what he was trying to convey.
So slow down Tiger and read carefully.
http://www.luxemag.org/art/library-ivan-the-terrible.html
“How may one select the libraries so varied and correlate them with each other for the researcher to spring up associations that would form that complementary research field? In my opinion Zimin, the historian exhaustively formulated the rules of such search (not to use the word “cycle”). One may read in one of his articles devoted to searching for the Moscow Monarchs’ library:
“One may study three aspects of the tsar’s library lot. The first is the analysis of sources speaking in favor of its existence. The second is examining the monuments of Russian literature from the late XV through XVI centuries. Their authors were able to use that library in the first place. The task is to trace the echo of the Greek, Latin and oriental writings in the works of Maxim Greek, Theodore Karpov, Andrey Kurbsky, Ivan the Terrible. After all, the ‘tsar’s liberia’, if it ever existed, had to be accessible to those writers, first of all. The third, final aspect of our subject is the search for the vestiges of the library both among the manuscript collections preserved to our days and in the Kremlin catacombs “(P. 126)27.
Very unfortunately Zimin never had a possibility to finish his extremely interesting work on the library of Ivan the Terrible”
Don’t miss the quotes.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 9 2022 9:46 utc | 415

The blocking of any investigation by Britain for the Bucha massacre speaks volumes. They do not want the truth, they only want propaganda. This is simply the latest example of that. Secondly, this has to be an act by extremists as there is no logical reason or motivation for Russia to simply bomb civilians.

Posted by: Henry | Apr 9 2022 10:02 utc | 416

Tom_12 | Apr 9 2022 7:25 utc | 405
Tom, I read your message about Ivan the Terrible’s library with great interest. Indeed, it was never found, and in my message I would like to give my version of why this did not happen and never will happen. Perhaps you will find an internal logic in it. But for this we have to go back a little earlier, a century ago. I will try to write briefly so as not to take up much space.
1453. The fall of Constantinople under the blows of the Ottomans. During the assault, the last emperor of Byzantium, Constantine 11 Palaiologos, dies. His niece Sophia Paleologus is forced to flee from the Turks, first with her family to Corfu, and then to Rome, where her father Thomas was recognized as the legitimate heir to the Byzantine throne, and in the last year of his life he converted to Catholicism – like, a little later, his children.
The next stage is 1469. Sophia Paleolog, through the mediation of Pope Paul 2, becomes the wife of Moscow Prince Ivan 3. According to legend, the Byzantine library becomes her dowry. The purpose of this marriage is an attempt to latinize Russia, as well as the construction of a powerful pro-Western state against the backdrop of a sharp weakening and fragmentation of the remnants of the Golden Horde. From that moment on, Moscow gradually becomes the Third Rome, the “assembly of Russian lands” begins, and the borders of the Moscow state begin to grow sharply. This process continued under the son of Ivan 3 and Sophia Paleolog Vasily 3, and even more strongly under Sophia Paleolog’s grandson Ivan the Terrible, who eventually turns out to be Terrible, as he eventually departs from the project of the supranational globalists of that time of the Roman Church and begins to pursue his own policy independent of the West . As for the library, the question is fair, did it make sense for Sophia Palaiologos, who is under the control of the Vatican, to carry the valuable books of Byzantium to a new unknown place with an unclear final result? Isn’t it more reasonable to assume that these books are still where they should logically be? That is, in the Vatican.

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Apr 9 2022 10:26 utc | 417

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Apr 9 2022 10:26 utc | 426
Thanks Nebo Sinee (“Blue Sky”) 🙂
Yes, that particular history is very fascinating. The XV-XVI centuries were full of very important geopolitical movements/events which to this day are of significants. I’ve been lucky to be able to read in other languages which has sometimes given me some big “Aha” moments. In particular was the colonial policy of the Tudors and the first Stuarts. Once someone gives you some rarely mentioned details, the picture of what was happening then completely changes.
The points you raise about the the books make sense but the Vatican will not do us the favor to let us know what they know. Spasiba for taking the time to answer.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 9 2022 12:18 utc | 418

New anttimperialism is not a seminar marxist issue.
It is a combination of elaborated marxist thinking and majorally caritative practice (medicins sans frontieres, medico international and so on), finally anarchistic aims founded by the former direct supporter scene of guerrila groups like RAF, RZ, Action Directe and CC, when this scene stopped providing tactical support for the guerrilla and changed in a more civil movement in the 1990th.

Posted by: destnationzero | Apr 9 2022 14:04 utc | 419

This link in your text does not work:
https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12416676@egNews

Posted by: Susan | Apr 9 2022 16:12 utc | 420

Tom.
Liberia does not mean collection of books either in Greek or Latin
in Greek it is the wrong alphabet and in Latin it is the wrong word
So we are left with your original error even if you try to square the circle

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 9 2022 16:18 utc | 421

@Susan #431
Works for me. It’s probably blocked in your country.

Posted by: S | Apr 9 2022 16:43 utc | 422

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 9 2022 12:18 utc | 429
I followed and found your discussion intriguing and fascinating, and I instinctively feel that Nebo Sinee is correct in the assumption that Ivan the Terrible’s Liberia is safely stored away inside the Vatican. Although, if that is the case, some Russian patriot should have the audacity to broach the subject with Pope Francis. It would make an interesting topic of conversation to say the least.
Whatever brought this subject to mind intrigues me as well.
It got me thinking that one never ceases to wonder on the magnificence of the wonders of the World and the forces of nature, passion and genius that brought them into being. Here’s an interesting, albeit not as intriguing, opinion on the missing wonders, and I who alas wonders more than wanders, have to ask: and what of those yet undiscovered missing…?
Wonders
If one could only see them all in a lifetime and…the undiscovered.
Paul Greenwood may know his latin, but he seems to have forgotten his etiquette, getting stuck on the trivial, thereby missing the significance of the rest.
Good thing we strayed off course at the end of this thread, but what a diversion!

Posted by: Circe | Apr 9 2022 16:48 utc | 423

Biswapriya Purkayast @417–
Nukes have their own unique “fingerprint” in the radiation they emit that points directly to its manufacturer. Plus, the only way to deliver a nuke with Kiev as target would be via missile or stand-off jet, neither of which Ukraine has, and thus makes identifying the criminal even easier. And of course, such a weapon would need to penetrate Russian AD, a very slim possibility.
IMO, if nukes are going to be used, that will occur during the post-Ukraine phase of Russia’s special military operation to clear NATO from Poland and Baltics with the same issues as described above. The entire point of the Outlaw US Empire’s Information War is to smear Russia and degrade its international credibility. For the Empire to loose a nuke would eliminate all gains from that War and turn the world completely against it. Thus, The Outlaw US Empire won’t use nukes unless absolutely forced to because the political cost is too high.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 9 2022 17:26 utc | 424

Posted by: Circe | Apr 9 2022 16:48 utc | 423
Thanks Cice for the kind words. Everyone has their own idiosyncrasies, but in the end the objective here is to SHARE INFORMATION.
🙂

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 9 2022 17:35 utc | 425

Circe | Apr 9 2022 16:48 utc | 423
Circe, with great pleasure I read your message, which displayed aspiration to that wonderful thing that filled the existence of our distant predecessors and which was embodied in the ancient seven wonders of the world. This is especially valuable to meet in our materially-minded and rational time. Nevertheless, to me, regarding your remark about a hypothetical Russian patriot asking the Roman Church a question about the library of Ivan the Terrible, it seems to me redundant. After all, according to my logic, the library never belonged to the Russian tsars. Of course, all this is just my bold assumption, but the story about the library, given to the Russian tsars as a gift, and then “lost”, is only an invention of the Vatican in order to forever hide its real history from humanity.

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Apr 9 2022 18:20 utc | 426

@Lysias | Apr 8 2022 21:31 utc | 246

Most of the languages intercepted at Mariupol are European? Meaning that at least one of them is not? What other(s)? Turkish? Hebrew?

American English is not strictly European?

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2022 21:57 utc | 427

I see bags and luggage, but I don’t see any dead bodies. How odd.
Maybe they fell there later, after the fire was brought under control.

If you look at the pictures on the south side of the building, they moved the bodies to there while the cars were still burning. It’s probably a fragmentation warhead to the NE over the tracks at a distance far enough only a few people and windows got hit, there seems to be no possible way the NW corner of the building was hit by a TBM (windows, lampposts). As it stands we only have one booster module, 200ft to the SW, the ultimate question is how did it get there? Do they typically land that close? The Ukrainians are 27 miles to the SW, the Russians are at least 39 miles NE, certainly further for 9P129s. Which is more likely to have an arc resulting in that proximity? And which is more likely to result in it just “plopping” there and not tumbling?
Also a big fucking mystery: the Tochka has a CEP of 150m. Protocol would be to fire 2-4, but there’s still no hard evidence a second was fired, in fact evidence to the contrary, so the station itself might not have even been the target but that complex across the tracks. So let’s pull on that thread: Russia targeted the complex across the tracks, or the tracks themselves, and used fragmentation warheads??? That’s absurd. But if their target were actually the people at the station, then why only fire one? And precisely how can they possibly benefit? I smell bullshit.

Posted by: 8675309 | Apr 9 2022 22:05 utc | 428

If Khan is going into exile, Afghanistan is the obvious place to go. Both India and China have political drawbacks but Afghanistan, provided it is safe, is an obvious place for Pashtun, being chased by imperialists to go.
The news from the UK gets worse. For some years the Tory government has been leading the anti-Putin, russophobic charge. They were behind the Skripal operation and the entire Novichok nonsense, they supplied the dossier that the Clintonites used in Russiagate and they have pushed munitions into Ukraine. Now it seems likely that the Mariupol NATO cadres could be largely British. There is a real possibility that the Azov Brigade is led almost entirely by foreigners, and that many of the rank in file are non-Ukrainians. If this is the case the question of whether NATO is actually involved in the war arises.
It could be that the secrets of Mariupol are embarrassing enough to make a quiet swap of prisoners the basis of a Ukrainian surrender.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 9 2022 22:09 utc | 429

@Susan | Apr 9 2022 16:12 utc | 420
If you cannot access that site, and prolly also not rt.com , fr.rt.com or whichever, the reason most probably is a DNS block.
That one is easy to circumvent though it may sound overly technical.
Change the default nameserver, eg to nameserver 77.88.8.8 (Yandex nameserver).
To do this in Linux, edit /etc/resolv.conf, either directly, or through OS utilities. You may need to call netconfig update -f after change, or go through distro specific admin GUI.
In Windows, look here https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-change-dns-servers-in-windows-2626242
With your nameserver outside the EU you should be able to access blocked sites and defy censorship.

Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 9 2022 22:37 utc | 430

The back end of the crashed delivery vehicle seems to have been destroyed. How did this happen?

Posted by: Bob Marsden | Apr 10 2022 9:26 utc | 431

@8 and others claiming to see this with V designations on them please learn that lots of BAZ trucks look familiar.
First, none in that short vid were launch trucks, second even the BAZ5921 had more applications than just to launch Tochkas. There are multiple times more numerous DAZ5921s out there setup as artillery target honing and drone spotting like Kredo-1S 1L269 accepted into Russian army in 2007 than launch vehicles anymore. That is what is in the convoy. For more info here is a web link
https://www.russiadefence.net/t8378-russian-radar-systems

Posted by: NJH | Apr 10 2022 15:54 utc | 432

Posted by: thomas | Apr 8 2022 14:58 utc | 95
“How dumb are you?”
Thank you for letting us know your morning-time bathroom mirror mantra, that you chant to yourself every day.
You could easily land a job in Australia’s PM, Scott Morrison’s, cabinet with that level of intellect, but, alas, he shall be shown the door at the federal elecction in May.
There’s always the 2025 election to look forward to in hope

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Apr 11 2022 9:23 utc | 433

B,
What is your source for the idea that the missile booster separates from the warhead prior to the warhead striking the target (or exploding above it)? As far as I can see, you are the only one, anywhere, claiming such a thing.
Thank you.
Eric

Posted by: Eric Newhill | Apr 11 2022 15:09 utc | 434