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April 8, 2022
Ukrainian Tochka-U Missile Killed Dozens At Kramatorsk Train Station

The current top headline of the New York Times is:

Live Updates: Russia Strikes Train Station, Ukraine Says, as Thousands Flee From East

“Dozens” were feared dead and injured, a local official said, after a missile strike in Kramatorsk, which had been a main point of evacuation for people trying to leave eastern Ukraine.

CNN quotes an Ukrainian military official who described it as an Iskander missile strike:

Two missiles struck the station, according to the head of Ukraine's national rail system, Oleksandr Kamyshin. Pavlo Kyrylenko, the head of Donetsk regional military administration, said the Russian military used Iskander short-range ballistic missiles.

A pro-Ukrainian twitter account also describes this as a result of the missile attack (the time stamp is UTC+2):


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The same account describes this as the remains of the booster section of the missile that hit the train station:

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The picture in full size:


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Another view of the debris from a different account:


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A check with Tineye proves that the pictures above have not be published earlier. They are new.

The booster section of a missile typically departs from the war head in mid-flight and lands separately. However, the booster section shown in the above pictures is from a Tochka-U missile.

Here are pictures from GlobalSecurity.org of the SS-21 SCARAB (9K79 Tochka) system. The booster section is the aft half to the right:


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When unfolded the fins and the grid stabilizers are clearly identifiable.


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Russia, unlike the Ukraine, is no longer using Tochka-U missiles. They have been replaced by Iskandar missile systems. As the not recently edited Wikipedia entry about Tochka operators says:

Russia – 220 launchers. Missile systems have been upgraded since 2004 (replacing the onboard automated control systems) and are scheduled to be replaced by the 9K720 Iskander missiles by 2020

In a March 16 press release Russia denied that its forces still use Tochka-U missiles:

UNITED NATIONS, March 16. /TASS/. Tochka-U tactical missiles are not in service in Russian Armed Forces, Russian mission to the UN said in its letter to the UN Security Council and General Assembly.

"Given the proven record of the Kiev regime promoting false allegations and fake evidence, it should be noted that Tochka-U tactical missiles are not in service in the Russian Armed Forces," the letter says.

Ukraine, which has retained some 90 launcher systems for Tochka-U missiles from Soviet times, has recently fired several of these against Russian and Donbas forces.

I have failed to find any recent reports of the use of Tochka missiles by Russian forces.

This clipping from the most recent Southfront map shows Kramatorsk right in the middle and not immediately near the frontline.


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A current situation report says that Russia has recently systematically disabled train tracks along the Ukrainian supply lines to the Donbas front:

As the big showdown in Donbass looms, a lot of forces are pouring in on both sides. Russia has shifted strategies and is now striking railway stations and reinforcement hubs / corridors, as many have hoped it would do. Overnight there were several reports of important railway hubs being hit by missiles. One near Zhytomir, which is possibly the single most important reinforcement hub to the frontlines in all of western Ukraine. Reinforcements being sent to frontlines were reportedly destroyed in the strike, though there’s no visual confirmation. And another in Kharkov region – just south, in Lozovaya – which evoked a video message plea from the Kharkov mayor who said railways were hit, oil has run out, but pleaded for people not to flee (presumably because the militants who control him need citizens to use as hostages / human shields just like in Mariupol).

As can be seen on this map, the Lozovaya junction is a critical resupply / reinforcement route for the Ukrop Donbass cauldron and specifically their stronghold of Kramatorsk, which had been the central headquarters of the entire JFO for some time. And other reports said a railway bridge was hit leading to that junction as well.


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Of note is that so far all Russian attacks on train junctions were reported to have happened at night time.

As Russia has already interrupted the train lines west of Kramatorsk, and thereby stopped resupplies to it, it has no need to attack Kramatorsk station at all.

It is therefore almost assured that it was a Ukrainian missile that today hit Kramatorsk station. It was either aimed badly, went off course or was intentionally aimed at it for propaganda purposes. (The 'for the children' marking in Russian on the booster section may point to the later cause.)

We have no further information for us to decide which is the case.

Comments

Ukrainian troops being trained in the USA to use kamikaze Switchblade drones, that crash into enemy forces and explode.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3260827-u-s-training-small-number-of-ukrainian-troops-on-switchblade-drones/amp/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:14 utc | 101

@Apr 8 2022 14:56 utc | 98
Thanks.
VPN is not required everywhere. The Russian MoD site is currently accessible from Norway without VPN or other arrangement. Same with RT. Sputniknews has been blocked for some time, but I can access it again since a couple of days.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 8 2022 15:15 utc | 102

Posted by: thomas | Apr 8 2022 14:58 utc | 100

the biggest nazi in the region is Putin himself and his political system

The biggest Nazis in the world are those fake Hebrews sitting atop Palestinian lands.
Sooner we send those zionoid colonials back to 404 where they came from the sooner all this Nazi shit stops.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 15:15 utc | 103

Soon we have the entire UkroNazi trollfactory, these Orc’s don’t come alone…

Posted by: mikhas | Apr 8 2022 15:16 utc | 104

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 8 2022 14:47 utc | 94
Excellent!
I note two things in the picture with the fire department on-scene:
1) The red car (on the end, right end if viewed from the station) has its driver’s door open and in the picture posted by b it’s closed- why, after some incident, would someone look to close the door? (no scene editor?)
2) The apparent reactions by those folks in the foreground don’t seem to show any shock; it’s more looky-louie, folks kind of trying to see what’s going on (if a missile hit I wouldn’t be looking to stay in the area, wouldn’t be calm).
As others noted, I see no bodies on the ground.
You’d think with the trillions pumped into the war budgets that they could produce higher-quality stuff!

Posted by: Seer | Apr 8 2022 15:16 utc | 105

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:14 utc | 105

Ukrainian troops being trained in the USA to use kamikaze Switchblade drones

Americans love to open Pandora’s box. They never learn.
They’ll learn soon that both sides can play that game…

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 15:20 utc | 106

Posted by: thomas | Apr 8 2022 14:58 utc | 100
https://twitter.com/noclador?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
This you? The Italian dude from South Tyrol?

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 15:20 utc | 107

A video tweeted by a Belorussion opposition account on March 30 claims to show ‘Russian’ Tochka missiles.

7:50
A column of Russian equipment with “V” marks was moving from Rechitsa towards Gomel along the M10 highway.
There were at least 8 Tochka-U, several BTR-82a, about 9 KamAZ trucks, some of which are carrying Tochka-U missiles, communication vehicle and a crane.

However the video shows the vehicles on the road with snow falling and snow on the trees. The account further claims that the video was taking near Homel in Belarus.
There was however no snow in Belarus on March 30. The last heavy snowfall in Belarus was at the end of January.
The video thereby most likely shows Soviet equipment owned by Belarus and used during the Union 2022 maneuvers in early 2022.
That the vehicles are marked with V only says which side of two opposing maneuvering forces the unit ‘fought’.

Posted by: b | Apr 8 2022 15:21 utc | 108

Washington could be providing Ukrainian forces with real time targeting data, is that overstepping the line, supplying weapons is one thing, is the possibility of providing real time targeting another.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/pentagon-reveals-it-giving-ukraine-intelligence-donbas-operations-201709

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:21 utc | 109

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 15:20 utc | 111

Troll feeding, nyet.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 8 2022 15:25 utc | 110

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 8 2022 15:09 utc | 102
” Instead it looks like someone dropped it off the side of a lorry or maybe from a few meters up on a small crane, …or someone used a spade.”
from looking at it again, I would go with the spade.
Thanks for your great analysis.

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Apr 8 2022 15:27 utc | 111

How is it that hunk of steel weighing hundreds, flying several feet high, drops on the ground without making a dent? —nicely laid.
When your proxy is losing the hot ground campaign and the financial war your only option is go propaganda, which in the age of technology, gets shot down.
= = = = =
Not worth their signatures! We could have told you.
Lavrov Says Kiev’s New Draft Peace Agreement Different From Proposals Rolled Out at Istanbul Talks

“Yesterday the Ukrainian side presented its draft agreements to our negotiators which showed a clear departure from key provisions that were committed to at the meeting in Istanbul on 29 March. These provisions, moreover, were fixed in the document signed by David Arakhamia, the head of the Ukrainian delegation,” Lavrov said in a video address on Thursday.

= = = = = =
‘Give Us F*****g Weapons, Or Bring Body Bags’: US Army Vet Fighting in Ukraine ‘Pleads’ With NATO
https://sputniknews.com/20220408/give-us-fg-weapons-or-bring-body-bags-us-army-vet-fighting-in-ukraine-pleads-with-nato-1094593129.html?rcmd_alg=collaboration2
Trainload back ordered.
= = = = = =
Mariupol is being mopped up and the skunks in and around Odessa will not escape.
Russian Forces Destroy Training Centre for Mercenaries Northeast of Odessa – Video
https://sputniknews.com/20220408/russian-forces-destroy-training-centre-for-mercenaries-northeast-of-odessa-mod-says–1094580896.html

The Russian Armed Forces have destroyed a training centre for foreign mercenaries in the Odessa area with high-precision missiles from a Bastion coastal defence complex, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said. 
“High-precision missiles from the Bastion coastal missile system near the village of Krasnoselka, northeast of Odessa, destroyed a foreign mercenary training centre”,

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 8 2022 15:27 utc | 112

“…My grandfather taught me that I should never hate anyone, because that is the basis for all wars, and that I should never follow anybody that wants me to hate other human beings…”
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 12:56 utc | 46
Thank you, Arne Hartmann, important post. I will add, my grandmother, who lost her oldest son in WW2, taught me the same thing. You make me realize that is what is great about this site – b is German, but his sensibilities prove he is a world citizen.
I would add that yes, the site is receiving a number of new and unfamiliar post names at present. A cursory view on this thread shows a number of these are very helpful posts. That is an encouraging sign that more who may have been quiet lurkers in the past feel the need to speak up — as long as you are contributing here, you are most welcome, needless to say. Be patient with us…we have been burned by a few. So if your post isn’t answered immediately, keep on plugging. This is a very good group to call your friends. Just follow b’s rules and you will be one of us.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 8 2022 15:29 utc | 113

I heard talk of this on the radio today that anti-ship missiles are/have been provided to the Ukrainian forces, the Saker’s blog mentions them they (Harpoon anti-ship missiles) have been sent to Ukraine by the British, though I can’t confirm it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpoon_(missile)

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:29 utc | 114

Or this:
What happened in Kramatorsk?
The two possible versions.
By Sasha Kots, a reporter from Komsomolskaia Pravda.
“The first version is a deliberate provocation, as a result of which Ukraine simply killed its citizens in order to blame Russia and increase pressure on Moscow from the West. It must be understood that for most of Ukraine, the inhabitants of Kramatorsk, who voted in 2014, like the entire Donbass, in the referendum for independence from Kyiv, are strangers, they are not sorry. It is not a pity for those who died on March 14 in Donetsk.
The second version is a failed launch; the missile was aimed at Russian troops but lost its course. As was the case with a Ukrainian missile that shot down a passenger plane over the Black Sea during an exercise. As it was with the Ukrainian rocket, which, again during the exercises, flew into a building near Kiev. As it was, after all, with the nationalists in Bucha, who, upon loosing control, shot all civilians who dared to go out into the street with white armbands (this is the identification mark of the Russians, but the locals also began to wear it for safety). And when the time came to answer for the deaths of the innocent, they simply shoved everything onto Russia.
Now, the same thing is happening as in Bucha. From a military point of view, an attack on a civilian station has no tactical benefit. There is only a benefit for Kiev; a missile strike disrupts the evacuation of people, leaving them in Kramatorsk as a “human shield” for Ukrainian troops. And Russia can again be blamed for the deaths of civilians, which will add sanctions to Moscow and weapons to Kiev.
This is Kyiv’s tactic – to delay the advance of Russian troops with bloody provocations and sanctions. That is why we, for sure, will not see the US satellite monitoring data, which most likely recorded the launch of Tochka U. Just as we have not yet seen pictures of the launch site of the Buk missile, which in 2014 shot down a Boeing over the Donbass. The truth is now too unfavorable for the United States and Ukraine.”
@sashakots
https://t.me/russianhead/1632

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 8 2022 15:31 utc | 115

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:21 utc | 113
From today:

It is becoming increasingly obvious that, while denying its open participation into the conflict, the North Atlantic Bloc has actually been fighting for a long time on the side and with the hands of Ukraine – against Russia — the Russian Foreign Ministry

Posted by: Boo | Apr 8 2022 15:32 utc | 116

Not so much troll feeding, but out of curiosity. I joined twitter back in May 2014, because I watched the livestream by accident (link was posted on the now defunct militaryphotos.net forums) the Ukrainian nazis set up to show their evil deeds in Odessa. I have no connection whatsoever to Ukraine or Russia, but that event made me care. I remember Thomas Theiner from back then being a hardcore defender of all the evils perpetrated by Turchinov and Avakov with their war on all unwanted “koloradi”.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 15:35 utc | 117

Putin’s KGB capitalism
You are so funny. Do you remember the US point man Boris Yeltsin ??? The one who shelled the Russian Parliament with tanks in 1993 and was cheered by CNN and the US shillocracy ?
Well that Yeltsin is the one who abolished the KGB and split it into FSB and SVR……so you are decades out of date.
What about Biden’s Crony Capitalism ?????

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 15:38 utc | 118

Boo (121) The chair of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff had this to say.
“ADAM SCHIFF: THE U.S. AIDS UKRAINE SO WE CAN FIGHT RUSSIA THERE, NOT HERE”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BFmMIvVz7yoK/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:40 utc | 119

Posted by: Martina | Apr 8 2022 14:57 utc | 99
Which NATO weapons are YOU trained to use Martina ?
Can we strap you into an F-16 and let you fly it ?
Maybe you can put 5.56 ammo into a gun designed for 5.45 x 39 ?
YOU clearly are au fait with all weapons systems available – but Ukies are not as versatile as you and need training

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 15:41 utc | 120

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 15:35 utc | 122
What does the koloradi, colorads thing mean?
I haven’t ever seen any explanation.
“Colorado” is a sort of euphemism for “red” (“rojo”) in spanish.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 15:41 utc | 121

Tony_0pmoc | Apr 8 2022 14:51 utc | 97
“What I don’t quite understand is why he still hasn’t turned off the gas.
If I were him, I’d just let us freeze to death. No fee. No gas.
Maybe he understands that what is really happening is a US economic attack on Europe, including the UK.”
Why should we turn off Europe’s gas?
Europe will either turn it off herself under the influence of the United States or strengthen the Russian ruble by buying Russian gas for rubles (today it is around 75 per dollar, remember Biden’s recent statement that the Russian economy is broken and the rate is 200). In addition, we need time to redirect European gas and oil flows to the East, selling them at a small discount. Eastern industry will gain an advantage over Western. And last but not least. It is unprofitable for us to see Europe sharply impoverished and frozen. We don’t need a neighborhood with hungry people. We remember the Treaty of Versailles and Germany. We don’t need a new Hitler in Germany. The US needs it, to send it back to Russia.
Ukraine is the first step in this direction for the USA.

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Apr 8 2022 15:45 utc | 122

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:40 utc | 124
In the words of Aaron Mate:
“If you don’t want Russia to fight Ukraine over there, don’t use Ukraine to fight Russia from here.”
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1497602531467403270?s=20&t=xBcFuxFWdFligAuG2MbCag

Posted by: Boo | Apr 8 2022 15:45 utc | 123

S-300
. . .from ‘Slovakia in NATO’. . .
Slovakia is stepping up its support to Ukraine. We sent S-300 air defence system to UA, so it can defend itself against ongoing Russian aggression.
This would not be possible without the help of our Allies in securing our own defence. #WeAreNATO #StrongerTogether . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 8 2022 15:49 utc | 124

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 15:41 utc | 126
Koloradi was a word play used by Ukrainian nazis to make fun of those Russian speakers that were burned alive in the Union building in Odessa on 2nd May 2014. The Russian speakers in Ukraine who didnt side with the Maida folks wore a St George ribbon as rememberance to the sacrifices of WW2. But the orange and black color was the color of the colorado potato beetle as well that you just kill to clean your garden. In this context “koloradi” meant Ukrainian Russian speakers wearing the St George ribbon that you happily burn alive in order to cleanse the All Ukrainian nation.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 15:49 utc | 125

Putin’s KGB capitalism
You are so funny. Do you remember the US point man Boris Yeltsin ??? The one who shelled the Russian Parliament with tanks in 1993 and was cheered by CNN and the US shillocracy ?
Well that Yeltsin is the one who abolished the KGB and split it into FSB and SVR……so you are decades out of date.
What about Biden’s Crony Capitalism ?????
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 15:38 utc | 123

It should also go without saying — but unfortunately it needs to be said, and repeatedly — that the antiwar folks in Russia aren’t socialists or communists or even Trotskyites. They’re the western-oriented Navalny types, the ones who are all pissed off because they can no longer go on shopping trips in Paris.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 15:51 utc | 126

“Bin gar keine Russin…” (1:12)
“not Russian” is defining for the denizens the modern Wasteland, one of the 1st things Eliot says.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 8 2022 15:51 utc | 127

The amount of equipment and weapons the USA has sent to Ukraine so far is staggering, (not including other nations sending weapons etc) when you consider that less than 2000 Stingers were provided to the Taliban in the 80’s war (The Saker).
https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/word-image-4.jpg

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:53 utc | 128

I believe that the neocons will get their III world war they so ardently desire. Even before this war and their insane sanctions the world was already in the way of widespread famines due to the economical effects of the insane lockdowns. Now, with those sanctions, worldwide recession, inflation and famine are unavoidable.
This means war. Global war.
God have mercy on us.

Posted by: Marcos | Apr 8 2022 15:55 utc | 129

Posted by: Boo | Apr 8 2022 13:18 utc | 53
Sounds like this analyst knows what he’s writing about. I read another analysis by him on the Saker site. It was quite impressive.
So if I understood correctly, and I’ll be frank, I have zero knowledge in regards to military strategy, the Ukie forces are going to use multiple diversionary strategies to throw off the focus and cohesion of the Russian forces. Add to that, the additional shipments of Kamikaze/Puma drone teams sent by the U.S. I posted about on the later part of yesterday’s thread, and the rapid geo-spatial intel they’ve been getting from the U.S. NGA, not to mention the advanced missile launchers the U.K. sent, and you have a recipe for disaster on the eve of Phase 2. I don’t want to be an alarmist, but at this pre-phase 2 stage, prevention is everything.
Same m.o. the Ukies used up North around Kiev only more concentrated.
Excerpt from Sputnik today:

The United Kingdom will send Ukraine 100 million pounds ($130 million) worth military equipment to Ukraine, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Friday.
“Today, I can announce that the UK will send further 100 million pounds’ worth high-grade military equipment to Ukraine’s armed forces, including more Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles which fly 3 times the speed of sound and another 800 anti-tank missiles and precision munitions capable of lingering in the sky until directed to their target,” Johnson told a press conference following his meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

USATO are aware that everything is riding on this Eastern front battle and they are in it up to the gills to defeat Russia, risking nothing with their cannon-fodder proxy, Ukraine.
I just hope the Russians are on them like white on rice following every movement of hardware and reinforcements. Russia must succeed.
▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎
I wrote after the spectacular propaganda success of the Bucha incident to expect serial false flags and war crime stagecraft by the Ukies going forward.
This attack on the railway station has a two-pronged objective: 1. Continue to smear Russia to get it out of UNSC, and to pressure more USNATO involvement; and 2. scare civilians away from leaving to make Russian air operations and the Russian advance more demanding, arduous slog like in Mariupol.
The Ukies are as dirty and devious as they come. Russians should double down on surveillance and blow away their reinforcements to kingdom come.
@102 Sunny Runny Burger
Thanks. Your informed perspective makes more sense to me.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 15:55 utc | 130

They’re the western-oriented Navalny types, the ones who are all pissed off because they can no longer go on shopping trips in Paris.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 15:51 utc | 131
But all is not lost because many young people in Russia are not lost in the transgender psyop which infected the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2W47fpL7pI

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 8 2022 15:55 utc | 131

Posted by: thomas | Apr 8 2022 14:58 utc | 100
You keep acting out your tr*t-to-neocon script as if nobody around knew better.
You keep slinging meaningful words as if they were insults.
And you keep playing the role played by fucking tr*ts around the Great Patriotic War as if it was the first time around.
⛏⛏⛏

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 16:03 utc | 132

Another White Helmets Production most certainly. No evidence of impact whatsoever for the missile body. But if it was placed, then how can one tell from which direction it came? True, White Helmet Productions always have errors that prove them to be what they are. And as b points out, if the rail lines were cut, hitting the station serves no purpose. And even if they weren’t, the station still doesn’t qualify as a military target–for Russia–although it certainly serves as a propaganda target for OUN/NATO.
Then we have the fact that the initial propaganda declared it was an Iskandar missile. But given the target audience, that gaff won’t diminish the BigLie.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 16:03 utc | 133

thanks b, and for your updates, the one @72 explaining why – makes the most amount of sense to me….
the ukees want to keep the people in and the russians want the ordinary people out….
@ Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 12:56 utc | 46
thanks for your many posts arne… this one was really great as it clarified your family background and a valuable insight that others ought to read – and of course one of my favourite posters at moa has responded too – @ juliania | Apr 8 2022 15:29 utc | 117
@ Nebo Sinee………… thanks for your posts here today.. welcome to moa..

Posted by: james | Apr 8 2022 16:08 utc | 134

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:14 utc | 105
Yeah, I posted a link on the shipments of those drones on yesterday’s thread and someone responded something like: if there’s no training; they’re useless. Well, I knew the U.S. wouldn’t dish expensive equipment without training…duh.
Thanks for the proof. Bad news.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 16:08 utc | 135

Meanwhile, there’s this very interesting yet OT news item about China’s potential reaction to a Pelosi visit to Taiwan:

The predictions are based on the hypothetical prerequisite – whether the Pelosi trip to Taiwan takes place. Hopefully, the US could stay reasonable and a crisis could be avoided. But if it takes place, the US will have to face another Taiwan Straits crisis that it cannot handle, said experts.
Lü Xiang, a research fellow on US studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, told the Global Times on Thursday that sending military aircraft across the island is highly likely and the missions could take place in multiple areas over the island.
“The PLA could even establish a no-fly zone over the island to prove China’s sovereignty over the island. The PLA Air Force and Navy are capable of conducting such missions, and if Taiwan military forces dare to interrupt, they will pay a heavy price as well,” said a Beijing-based military expert who asked for anonymity.
“The US decision-makers need to understand that the more provocations they make, the more resolute China will be in preparing to solve the Taiwan question by non-peaceful means,” as the US side and the Taiwan secessionists will make the Chinese mainland lose faith in peaceful resolution of the question. When the conditions get mature, the PLA will take actions to solve the problem once and for all, Song said.
Pelosi is reportedly concerned about a “change of the status quo by force,” but her reported visit will definitely force China to take further actions aimed at reunifying the island by force, Lü noted.
According to media reports, Pelosi’s visit will commemorate the 43rd anniversary of the Taiwan Relation Act, a US law that violates the principles for China and the US to establish diplomatic ties. And this act has maintained the unlawful arm sales from the US to the island and gives space for Taiwan secessionists to hold wishful thinking that expect the US to defend the island by force against the reunification of China, said experts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 16:13 utc | 136

Posted by: thomas | Apr 8 2022 14:46 utc | 93
Zakes Mda, South African novelist, poet and playwright.
Is that who you get your info about Russia from? It wasn’t even poetic.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 8 2022 16:15 utc | 137

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 15:51 utc | 131
My apologies, comrade, but the positioning and strategies of the sort of “””leftist””” supporter of that kind of bullshit is 99 proof tr*tskyite bullshit. At least outside of Russia, I cannot evaluate it inside.
-Rallying of defeatism against nazistic forces
-Ultraleftism/idealism: Nothing is ever good enough, actual advancements eschewed in favor of potential unrealistic gains
-Operated as a 5th column
-Actual actionable links all to the Empire

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 16:17 utc | 138

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 15:55 utc | 135
To expand on your summary, “…the Ukie forces are going to use multiple diversionary strategies to throw off the focus and cohesion of the Russian forces…”, the author envisions primarily 3 Uke divers. and other tactics:
1. the usual, fight in small groups dressed as civilians using civilian trucks/vans to go deep into enemy territory and disrupt russian forces in the back, using things like javelins, stingers, etc.;
2. by also destroying civ. infrastructure bring the attention of the western MSM to the suffering due to “russian” army activities;
3. in parallel, in case of a break at Avdeevka of VSU by the Russians, ensure enough forces in the flanks, and if completely overrun to go back to Pavlogorod defensive perimeter and prepare for stand at Dniepr’s western bank;

Posted by: Boo | Apr 8 2022 16:19 utc | 139

Zelensky’s advisor Arestovich stepped in something in a recent interview, by admitting that they were purposefully denying civilians the opportunity to evacuate from certain regions in order to make it more difficult for Russia to overrun the country. He presented it as a clever ploy on the part of the Ukrainian administration that saved Ukraine from collapsing, keeping road and rail reserved for troop reallocation.
The civilian population in Ukraine, particularly the affected regions, clearly didn’t appreciate the genius of using their lives as deterrent without their consent. Though, that much has been obvious to most regular Ukrainians since the first days of the conflict and, despite vocal protests, has not been able to force the government to abandon this strategy. The recent organization of mass evacuation from several major towns, Kramatorsk included, could well be the result of outside pressure, to head off any closer investigation into evacuation practices or lack thereof.
But, how to keep the human shield from leaving while simultaneously organizing evacuation? Simple — have “the Russians” bomb the locations from where these refugees are set to take off. The next time Ukr govt calls for another mass evacuation more people will prefer to sit tight and take their chances with the advancing Russian army.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 8 2022 16:20 utc | 140

Автор: james | Apr 8 2022 16:08 utc | 139
James, thanks for the kind words. MoA link was given to me on Breitbart (Siriusly, thanks to him).

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Apr 8 2022 16:22 utc | 141

Also of import is the Outlaw US & UK Empires noshow performance at a UNSC meeting dealing with the Bio-weapon labs in Ukraine discovery, reported here and elsewhere. IMO, it’s an admission of guilt, particularly when we read what’s said:

During this week’s Preparatory Committee for the Ninth Review Conference of the BWC, the US cited “revisionist history” to describe the international community’s criticism over its opposition to the establishment of a verification mechanism of the BWC, Zhao Lijian, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson, said at Thursday’s media briefing, noting that the US’ remarks are “shocking.”
He said what the US wants is to arbitrarily accuse others of violating the convention and demand verification with “the presumption of guilt”, while refusing to accept any supervision and verification of its own compliance.
This lies at the heart of the US’ sole opposition to a verification mechanism, Zhao said.

Rules based order yet again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 16:27 utc | 142

Karlof1 @ 141
Pelosi just tested positive for covid. Conveniently I would think. She did not know and half Washington did not know how bad the Taiwan trip could be. Someone somewhere with a particle of sense told her to use a good and convenient excuse.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 8 2022 16:29 utc | 143

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 15:41 utc | 126
I believe it’s the Colorado beetle (google that: https://www.google.ca/search?q=Colorado+beetle&newwindow=1&sxsrf=APq-WBul5v2ND0Y99zn6u8bG2uFxFtW4nw:1649435293146&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2ieml8YT3AhUTKX0KHT8VAX0Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1280&bih=627&dpr=1.5)
that have the same colors as the famous St-George ribbon that Russian patriots are used to wear.
So its some pejorative word for calling Russians – ukie say “coakroaches” as well.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 8 2022 16:29 utc | 144

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 15:41 utc | 125
Wow! That’s a really sexist, condescending response to Martina.
Apologize, clod.
And FYI, the Ukes are getting and got plenty of training; too much for my taste. Let’s not underestimate the opponent. They’re savage and dogged in every way.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 16:31 utc | 145

I have failed to find any recent reports of the use of Tochka missiles by Russian forces.

I did not notice this remark on first reading but I like it because it stops short of trying to prove a negative(which is stuff that makes me uneasy) while there is still the general assessment that it is highly unlikely that the Tochka was fired by Russia.
Combined with the direction it is coming from it is a strong indication.
What about the claim about a second missile?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 8 2022 16:34 utc | 146

Yesterday Russia’s Security Council met but very little of the meeting’s content was disclosed:
“The course of the ongoing special military operation in Ukraine, as well as negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations, was discussed. The need to actively counter information and other sabotage of the Ukrainian side, such as took place in Bucha, was emphasized.”
Including Putin, there’re 13 members, so it appears there can be no ties when votes are taken, although I’m not privy to the actual procedure.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 16:36 utc | 147

@ Nebo Sinee | Apr 8 2022 16:22 utc | 147
thanks! i put that word Автор in the translation box and see it means ‘author’… i think it is too late for me to learn russian!
@ 12 richard steven hack..
yes…. thanks for saying that… it would make a person post less, lol…
@ Melkiades | Apr 8 2022 11:32 utc | 15
you ask some relevant questions, but i don’t have the answers.. i think it will all work out regardless… cheers..

Posted by: james | Apr 8 2022 16:37 utc | 148

After going down the WWII revisionist rabbit hole a couple of decades ago I have learned not to pay any attention to atrocity propaganda. So I only glance at photos when they are on page somewhere and rarely if ever activate a video. Even truthful ones are hard to figure out in the sense that not being a soldier and not being there it is hard to tell what it is one is viewing. Pictures of corpses, though dramatic and impressive for some, provide little or no information about either the tactical or strategic significance of the event in which they died. Also, I think there is something essentially unhealthy about viewing images and videos of those either in combat or those who have died from it.
So I come here to get an overview of how the conflict is progressing along with insights as to the large geostrategic ramifications. Any of these atrocity events I basically ignore. Makes things much simpler.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 8 2022 16:37 utc | 149

saying for weeks, usa intel satellites relaying positions to ukraine via nato need to be disabled and dismembered.
also cell phone comms using triangelation passive radar tech gather directions relaying to intel

Posted by: scv | Apr 8 2022 16:38 utc | 150

oldhippie @149–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the article did note that but went on to deliver the message regardless. The visit was made known by Japanese sources, not the Outlaw US Empire, as she was apparantly supposed to sneak in as a surprise.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 16:40 utc | 151

Zakes Mda, South African novelist, poet and playwright.
Is that who you get your info about Russia from? It wasn’t even poetic.
Posted by: Anne B | Apr 8 2022 16:15 utc | 142
You’re perfectly confirming Zakes’ writing about racism and white nationalism. If you would be able to follow his writings – unfortunately your rantings prove that you are not – you could learn about his praise of support of the fight against Apartheid by the former Soviet Union and how happy he is that his plays were performed in Kiev during that times.
But ignorance rules the waves here, no wonder

Posted by: thomas | Apr 8 2022 16:42 utc | 152

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 8 2022 16:20 utc | 146
If he admitted that in an interview and there’s a record of it, then that can be used as evidence against Ukraine in a war crimes tribunal. Maybe the interviewer can also be subpoenaed.
A link would be nice.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 16:44 utc | 153

These clowns need to go to better acting classes.
https://twitter.com/SaintetePepe/status/1512467499094261773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Jl_N4Czqw
They should consider changing the NATO flag to,
https://www.qresearch.it/2022/04/02/ri-proposes-new-nato-flag-which-better-captures-its-diverse-values-2/

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 8 2022 16:44 utc | 154

A quick observation of the image with the 5 vehicles blown out. It sure looks to me that those 5 vehicles were towed and left all in a nice row while many other cars in the image are untouched by war.
The vehicles could also been towed after the event but why leave the dead person as I would think that would be the first thing that would have been taken care of.

Posted by: newkidney | Apr 8 2022 16:44 utc | 155

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Apr 8 2022 16:34 utc | 152
The whole setup of this ukie fake was/is using the release of two anti-rocket missiles by the Russians chasing another Tochka-U before the fatal Tochka-U in Kramatorsk. Thus, they were claiming for a while that that photo proves that it was the Russians. I believe the claim for 2 Russian rockets was dropped later.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 8 2022 16:50 utc | 156

A good portrayal of the “Coercive Diplomacy” practiced by the Outlaw US Empire:

It seems that the Ukraine crisis is also a mirror reflecting the US’ nature of seeking hegemony for itself by coercion. Washington first kidnapped small countries with the lure of security, turning them into pawns to check and contain major countries. Then, it has continued to instigate and incite disputes, and pushed these pawns into the fiery pit, held allies hostage by virtue of so-called values and made them pay for its hegemony. After that, Washington has further expanded its scope and exploited various means to force other countries across the world to take sides, trying to overwhelm opponents and maintain its absolute hegemony.
Ironically, Washington has been accusing China of engaging in “coercion diplomacy” in recent years but the Ukraine crisis has precisely shown that it is the US who is sparing no efforts to coerce other countries. It is trying to drag other parties to the crisis while it passes the bucks and reaps profits.

The editorial integrates nicely with the analysis of Hudson and Escobar. The With us or Against us formulation continues but the With side is eroding as most of Humanity is now firmly in the Against bloc.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 16:55 utc | 157

What does the koloradi, colorads thing mean?
I haven’t ever seen any explanation.
“Colorado” is a sort of euphemism for “red” (“rojo”) in spanish.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 15:41 utc | 126

“Colorado” refers to the colorado beetle which is the same pattern as the St. George’s Ribbon worn by Russians.
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/2-colorado-potato-beetles-pascal-goetgheluckscience-photo-library.jpg

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 8 2022 17:00 utc | 158

In response to Alessandro Cagliostr@145,
Just from the materials published by the Russian ministry of defense, and going by the various targets struck, they seem to have good intel on weapon systems and stockpiles in Ukraine. I think the main reason why Ukraine still has access to at least some mlrs, choppers and other weapon systems that, theoretically, should be high-priority targets for the Russian military, is a cost to benefit calculation. Deep strikes into Ukrainian territory are done with ballistic missiles and primarily in areas where there’s a big concentration of arms and/or personnel. Individual weapon systems are engaged with planes, choppers and tanks, but generally only as part of a combined operation providing cover to ground troops.
So the logic, at least as I see it, is that a single mlrs system generally isn’t worth a missile, especially if it’s parked in some civilian neighborhood as Ukrainians tend to do. But, as long as it doesn’t pose an immediate threat to Russian servicemen, it’s not on the immediate to-do list. After all, it could in theory relocate from cover to cover in some western region for the entire duration of the operation, without firing a single shot at anyone, and then be decommissioned once Ukraine capitulates.
The problem is of course with Ukrainians engaging non-military targets using these systems, which I’m sure the Russians would like to prevent. But it’s an unrealistic objective to have, since even without heavier systems they can still fall back to mortars, grenade launchers and explosives, which they’ll always have in abundance and which can be used as effectively against civilians. In the end, the only way to guarantee Ukraine stops targeting civilians is to accomplish the major objectives of the military operation.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 8 2022 17:05 utc | 159

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 15:51 utc | 131
My apologies, comrade, but the positioning and strategies of the sort of “””leftist””” supporter of that kind of bullshit is 99 proof tr*tskyite bullshit. At least outside of Russia, I cannot evaluate it inside.
-Rallying of defeatism against nazistic forces
-Ultraleftism/idealism: Nothing is ever good enough, actual advancements eschewed in favor of potential unrealistic gains
-Operated as a 5th column
-Actual actionable links all to the Empire
Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 16:17 utc | 143

Well, 99 proof is 49.5%, so I’m inclined to agree with you. The standard line at wsws dot org, the American Trotskyite website, is that the war is wrong and Russia is capitalist-nationalist, but that Russia was forced into it by Western-sponsored Donbass atrocities, as well as the biolabs and 404 nuke aspirations. This is a considerably more nuanced position than the one “thomas” offers.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 17:09 utc | 160

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Apr 8 2022 16:20 utc | 145
Señor Caliostro, probably you are aware already but just in case you’re not here is a link to a Telegram channel by an Italian young guy who speaks Russian really well and that has been reporting on Donbass for a while. I was delighted to find out a different perspective, a lot closer to a southern point of view, I find it somehow more humane an artistic than the point of view and way of conveying information of northerners.
Here a link to a drive by Mariupol a few deays ago.
https://t.me/vn_rangeloni/855

Posted by: Paco | Apr 8 2022 17:09 utc | 161

Slowly, my frustration with these political leaders in the EU, but also in the individual member states, is giving way to an unpleasant sense of shame. How did I smiled when this unspeakable person trumpeted out “we came, we conquered, he died” Meanwhile these von der lugen et al overtake even Bush the Lesser in brazen lies.

Posted by: Ted | Apr 8 2022 17:11 utc | 162

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 8 2022 11:19 utc | 12
Exactly my viewpoint. Add to that the past 6 years of non-stop programming aimed at creating an image in most Americans’ minds of an evil country ruled by an evil autocrat dictator, and an impeachment trial staged over the pretense that big bad Donald Trump was withholding crucial military aid to Ukraine that they would use to protect themselves from the big bad meanies in Moscow and their separatists in DNR/LNR.
On top of all this, do not go to Twitter and attempt to prove anyone wrong. There are hordes of 0-10 follower morons who will swarm you should you try to debunk something there in real time or even up to days later. This is unprecedented information warfare.
Where I don’t quite align with you is that these Russian war crimes trials will be marginalized or simply called “fake news” in the west and with Russia kicked off the UN humanitarian committee they’ll find ways to reverse the allegations back onto the Russians in some formal manner. The whole thing is and will continue to be one big clusterfuck of newthink and newspeak here in the west.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2022 17:11 utc | 163

S-300 and other arms.
The thing to notice here is that each time a “soviet” (Russian) made arm is “donated to Ukraine it is replaced by an American one.
Slovakia “gives” a S-300 system and it is replaced by a Patriot system.
If Migs of all sorts are asked for (to be given to Ukraine) then they are replaced by F-15 or 16.
Tanks? bring in the GI’s with the Abrahams.
The OBJECT is to replace Russia as a potential supplier. This has the added benefit of requiring “trainers”, thus imbedding US military in the armed forces of the recipient country. ie. They then get access to military decisions at a high level. It also helps the bottom line of military corporate profits.
******
Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2022 15:14 utc | 105
Switchblade is not *just” 100 examples but is 100 systems with, all the necessary radar and control modules etc, plus loaders and at least 10 switchblades per loader. ie, about 1’000 missiles.
****
Unfortunately, the US plan “D” (destruction) is for Europe to be the battleground when things get really nasty. There are at least three battel/aircraft carrier groups in the Baltic and Med at the moment, with others (The Italians. The Queen Elizabeth, the Kearsage) as extras for half time. Clearly the US hopes that the Russians will be occupied with a front in Europe and will not have time or enough Kinzals to send to the US and all the other places where the oligarchs and their overlords are hiding.
There are 100 approx US nuclear bombs on European soil. ALL of which are illegal, and the US planes have been adapted to carry them. Probably most are those “stand-off” new types.
***
The US doesn’t mind if Europe is wiped out – one less competitor, if we won’t be slaves then zut…..
It doesn’t seem to mind that it’s darling will also get wiped out at the same time either.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 8 2022 17:20 utc | 164

Posted by: Romanov | Apr 8 2022 17:12 utc | 170
LOL I had to go back and check after seeing your response and in no way was Paul Greenwood’s post “sexist”…well, I guess it might be according to the Woke Pentagon LGBTQ recruiting materials, but then, they don’t even call it “sex” anymore – they want cannon fodder of all *genders* these days!
In all seriousness to Circe – It wasn’t sexist, you clown. It was the same thing as telling any chickenhawk to sign up and go fight the war they’re pushing themselves. Duh. Are you the same Circe who used to flood the MoA threads with ALL CAPS EXTRA PUNCTUATED RANTS during the DNC primaries and Bernie Sanders’ campaign?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2022 17:21 utc | 165

The range of Tochka U is 120km.
Looking at the map above, and allowing for the trajectory being from southwest, it does not look as if there are Russian forces within 120 km to southwest.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Apr 8 2022 17:24 utc | 166

Meanwhile on the economic side of this war, RT reports Russsia’s central bank said it would now buy gold at a “negotiated price” instead of the 5,000 rubles/gram. When that initial announcement was made on 25 March, “The exchange rate on March 25 was around 96 rubles per US dollar and 107 rubles per euro.” That seems to have made the Ruble strengthen vastly today on the Moscow exchange as TASS reports:
“The euro tumbled 3.01% to 79 rubles. The dollar lost 1.58% to 74.55 rubles.
“The euro dropped later to 77.37 rubles, minus 5%. The dollar declined to 72.36 rubles (down 4.47%).”
When Russia forces the Outlaw US Empire to pay for all Russian exports in rubles, expect the dollar to sharply decline, perhaps as much as 50%. Given the way the EU’s sanctioning Russia, Russia won’t need to do anything and the euro will also continue to drop in value versus the ruble. It seems likely that Glazyev and crew are waiting for the ruble to reach a certain exchange level with the dollar to implement the new international regime. Gold remains way undervalued at $1943/oz, although it is rising. There may also be an inflection point with gold that’s being waited on by Glazyev. And the Brent benchmark is @$101.
And the strengthening ruble also makes anything Russian more expensive versus dollar/euro zone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 17:28 utc | 167

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 8 2022 17:00 utc | 164
Colorado – in the strict linguistic translation from Spanish (early Latin “colos”) – also simply means “colored.” The color red was at one point integrated with the definition. The beetle was named according to that meaning.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/colorado

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2022 17:32 utc | 168

I do not believe for a minute that both the President of the EU commission and another head of the Commission went to Kiev by train in the middle of a war. I know there is footage and all but I simply do not buy it.

Posted by: maria | Apr 8 2022 17:46 utc | 169

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 17:28 utc | 174
This might explain the situation in Europe briefly, somehow understandable since who is the grandchild that does not fight his grandfather’s battle?
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/40830

Posted by: Paco | Apr 8 2022 17:46 utc | 170

Train stations are valid military targets.
Of course they have civilians too. They are targets because trains are a major military resource for moving the heavy loads needed by military operations.
For that reason, the US has always attacked railroads with every possible resource. Nearly every one of those railroad stations was expected to also have civilians present. “Collateral damage” is the explanation used when the US does it. And Britain. And everyone else.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Apr 8 2022 17:48 utc | 171

@176Romanov

Which NATO weapons are YOU trained to use Martina ?
Can we strap you into an F-16 and let you fly it ?
Maybe you can put 5.56 ammo into a gun designed for 5.45 x 39 ?

Read her post @99 and then his reply. The sexist snark is palpable, chump.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 17:54 utc | 172

In response to Circe@159,
Well, I may have oversold it, since he didn’t speak about it in exactly those terms. What he said was that they were aware of the upcoming invasion days in advance and purposefully misinformed the public so as to prevent panicked refugees overtaxing the infrastructure, which would have made troop reallocation impossible. I don’t expect that admission of this sort of subterfuge, albeit cynical, is tantamount to war-crime, but it has enraged a lot of Ukrainians who are now stuck in a war-zone, as they see it, because the government didn’t prioritize their well-being.
I first heard of the interview in the context of such a discussion between Ukrainians, and they framed it essentially as an admission of using civilians as a human shield, which I think is a fair assessment from their perspective. However, on watching it myself, I think it’s fair to say that it’s too nuanced and vague to fully fit that characterization.
Here’s a link I found to the relevant segment of the interview, with some dude’s commentary.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 8 2022 17:55 utc | 173

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 8 2022 15:35 utc | 122 (or maybe it was someone else wondering?)
Greg@150 is correct – “koloradi” = derogatory term for Russian or Russian sympathizer as the colorado or ‘potato’ beetle, a common pest of solanacae including potatoes was introduced to Europe from America in the 1870s and is much reviled by residents of the region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_potato_beetle

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 8 2022 17:59 utc | 174

“The Economist
One reason to back Ukraine in the war is because the West rejects the view that people are a means to an end. That means documenting war crimes, in order to show that every life matters”
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1512396604657082376
Doublespeak at its best.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 8 2022 12:10 utc | 28
[in 2005] Against this backdrop General Tommy Franks’ terse answer, “We don’t do body counts,” which was given at Bagram Air Base to journalists’ questions on counting casualties during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan, serves as a portal into the sensitive issue of civilian casualties and the controversial debate over counting them.
Cited from: We don’t do body counts
A study of the Pentagon and the Controversy of Civilian Casualties in Modern Warfare
David Williams History

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 8 2022 18:00 utc | 175

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2022 17:21 utc | 172
Can we strap you in, my ass!?
Put away the clubs, and back in your cave, Neanderthals.
You’re lucky I’m with Russia

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 18:06 utc | 176

“A significant amount of foreign fighters” caged in Azovstal, Maryupol. According to this evening report by Konashenkov six different European languages have been monitored in the surrounded area.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 8 2022 18:12 utc | 177

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 8 2022 17:55 utc | 181

I think it’s fair to say that it’s too nuanced and vague to fully fit that characterization.
Here’s a link I found to the relevant segment of the interview, with some dude’s commentary.

Nuanced indeed. Amounts to an excuse to cover their ass, in case.
Thanks for link.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 18:16 utc | 178

@Circe
“You’re lucky I’m with Russia”
Yes we are, but try the contrarian for a while, the bar will burn.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 8 2022 18:18 utc | 179

Here are details from the Russian Defence Ministry briefing today – as mentioned by other commentators – about how the missile was launched:

Today, the Ukrainian Armed Forces struck Kramatorsk railway station with Tochka-U tactical missile.
Tochka-U tactical missile, the wreckage of which was found near Kramatorsk railway station, is only used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
I would like to point out that the maximum range of Tochka-U missile is 120 km. The warhead weighs 482kg and contains 20 fragmentation warheads, each 7.5kg, forming around 16,000 fragments.
An analysis of the engagement radius of the warhead, as well as the characteristic position of Tochka-U missile’s tail section, clearly confirm that it was launched from a south-western direction away from Kramatorsk.
According to intelligence reports, one of the divisions of the 19th Missile Brigade armed with Tochka-U missile systems at the time of the strike on Kramatorsk was located near Dobropol’e in Donetsk Region, 45 km south-west of Kramatorsk.
This area is still under the full control of the Ukrainian military grouping troops in Donbass.
I would like to stress that the Ukrainian Armed Forces still possess a significant arsenal of Tochka-U missiles.
Before the start of the special military operation, the Kiev regime had 20 Tochka-U missile systems with two launchers each.
During the special military operation, 8 Ukrainian Tochka-U rocket launchers and around 90 per cent of the missiles at the arsenals were destroyed.

https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12416676@egNews

Posted by: Brendan | Apr 8 2022 18:20 utc | 180

“We have no further information for us to decide which is the case.”
I disagree as usual because I only get interested in a matter when I disagree with what is being said. There is further evidence, ‘information’ available provided by b himself, namely the false flag of the Bucha massacre. There the Ukranians shot the victims and blamed it on the Russians. If they did it before, a number of times, they are likely to do it again.
But is this journalism? Are journalists permitted by their consensus to provide historical background for their current conclusions. I don’t know, I’m not a journalist. But SHOULD it be allowed. Prosecutors in Calif are not permitted in a prosecuting a shoplifting case to present evidence that the defendent was convicted a dozen times previously for shoplifting. Not because the evidence is not compelling but because he will not be judged on the present case by the jury. Should the same standard hold in journalism?
I don’t think so. Even if we lived in a different world where honest and highly competent journalists like b were permitted to write mainstream. But especially not in the current corrupt learned and mass media where the deceit of Our Side is considered the basic premise. I think the Bucha deceit is relevant in determining the reason for the station deceit, and thus is ‘further information’ that is available.

Posted by: Mathew | Apr 8 2022 18:21 utc | 181

On a different subject, the MoD also reported something today that might explain the risks Ukraine took to carry out an apparent rescue mission in Mariupol.

The results of radio intercepts show that in addition to Nazis from the Azov battalion and remnants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, there is a significant number of foreign mercenaries in the occupied areas of the city. In addition to Ukrainian and Russian, radio communications are conducted in six other, mostly European, foreign languages.

Yesterday they said they shot down an Mi-8 and an Mi-24 military helicopter near Staraya Zbur’evka in Kherson. Perhaps on their way to Mariupol?

Posted by: Brendan | Apr 8 2022 18:21 utc | 182

Posted by: Paco | Apr 8 2022 18:18 utc | 187
🙂
Alas, it comes naturally; my daddy trained me too well.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 18:26 utc | 183

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Apr 8 2022 15:45 utc | 127
Thanks for the reply.
I did think about buying some rubles a few weeks ago. I even got a quote – Free to collect – £7.50 for Special Delivery. The rate was extremely good. My £100 would be worth around £140 now in Rubles….
But I have absolutely no plans to travel to Russia…but over the years a couple of our Friends, including one originally Irish Lady in her 60’s (Single) who after Moscow got The Trans-Siberian Express and stayed for some time with a family in China.
She asked me to help plan it. It was extremely complicated..Travelling to Moscow is easy….”but you need to delay it for a month -or you will freeze to death on Trans-Siberian Express.”
She had a great time.
Occasionally sent me a text message.
We still go camping with her at Festivals.
I knew she would have no problem crossing the borders.
She has a special kind of Irish Charm, and is extremely fit.
She cuts down trees for a living with a chainsaw

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Apr 8 2022 18:28 utc | 184

Meanwhile these von der lugen et al overtake even Bush the Lesser in brazen lies.
Posted by: Ted | Apr 8 2022 17:11 utc | 168
Continuum of History.
Hartmann Lauterbacher, SS Obergruppenführer, grandfather
Karl Lauterbach, Minister of Health of Germany, grandson
Fritz von Scholz, SS Gruppenfuehrer, grandfather
Olaf Scholz, Federal Chancellor of Germany, grandson
Donald Tusk, Reichsfuehrer SS, grandfather
Donald Tusk, Chairman European Parliament, grandson
Gerhard Linder, SS Brigadeführer, grandfather
Christian Linder, German finance minister, grandson
Chrystia Freeland, Finance Minister Canada, granddaughter
https://www.theprogressreport.ca/blank_spot_why_chrystia_freeland_s_refusal_to_acknowledge_her_grandfather_s_nazi_past_matters_in_2020
And then there is the all time favorite, Klaus Schwab
“To many, this may seem like the meanderings of an 82-year-old man with early-onset dementia. However, we would be remiss if we did not refer to Susan Bachrach, Ph.D. who wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine on July 29th, 2004 the following: “In democratic societies, the needs of public health sometimes require citizens to make sacrifices for the greater good, but in Nazi Germany, national or public health — Volksgesundheit — took complete precedence over individual health care. Physicians and medically trained academics, many of whom were proponents of “racial hygiene,” or eugenics, legitimized and helped to implement Nazi policies aiming to “cleanse” the German Society of people viewed as biologic threats to the nation’s health. Racial-hygiene measures began with the mass sterilization of the “genetically diseased” and ended with the near-annihilation of European Jewry.” Further Mr. Schwab states as it pertains to the Covid 19 Pandemic that “the next hurdle is the political challenge of vaccinating enough people worldwide (we are collectively as strong as the weakest link) with a high enough compliance rate despite the rise of anti-vaxxers.” The question here becomes who comprises the weakest link which is perhaps a veiled statement about the German idea of “racial hygiene” or eugenics. ”
Substitute “sterilization” for …..
And there are many many more such animals at the top.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 8 2022 18:36 utc | 185

I have the impression that there is some confusion here about two Tochka-U’s. One hit Kramatorsk, the other Donetsk.
On pro-Ukrainian sites there are claims that the Donetsk one came from Russian controlled territory. See for example
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-missile-strike-in-the-center-of-donetsk-was-carried-out-from-the-territory-controlled-by-russia-media/
I would like to see some comment on that.

Posted by: Wim | Apr 8 2022 18:41 utc | 186

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2022 17:32 utc | 175
I am aware of the Spanish origin of many names in the US Southwest. However in the context of this thread, it was questioned as to how it became to be a derogatory term used by Ukrainians to describe Russians, in particular those Russian speaking protesters burned in the building in Odessa.
Russia uses the orange a black St George’s ribbon on some of their medals, and as a show of solidarity.
Perhaps this image will make the obvious association clearer for you…
https://gdb.rferl.org/8C05C367-E715-41F2-A8D0-176F2E219362_mw1024_s_n.jpg
It has nothing to do with the Spanish origins of the name Cororado.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 8 2022 18:42 utc | 187

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Apr 8 2022 18:28 utc | 192
It is a tragedy for business and personal contacts, traveling was not easy before, it should have been as simple as flying from LA to NewYork or from Madrid to Berlin, but visas were needed, all expenses about half the cost of the flight ticket plus the hassles. And there is so much to be seen, Russia is a universe. Barriers erected, opportunities lost, it is a tragedy that affects a lot of people on both sides and me personally, so try to think how I feel when I see the despicable snouts of Borrell and VonDer.. add any expletive.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 8 2022 18:48 utc | 188

I think what that particular user meant to say is that women can be expected to scream hysterically and viciously at the slightest provocation (or none at all) —to judge by her example — but cannot expected to know how to handle armaments. Which curiously puts her at a lower level of accomplishment than a Banderite babushka.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 18:52 utc | 189

@ paco – i am saddened by all these events and the effect it has on innocent people… i hope things change for the better sooner then later..
@ skiffer… thanks for your posts… we are reading them all!

Posted by: james | Apr 8 2022 18:53 utc | 190

Putin is too “soft” and naive, calling the collective west “our partners” all the while Russia has been sanctioned and demonized for years, freezing assets etc., fokking kidding me.
He should have invaded the Donbas as soon as the Ukro Nazi’s started bombing-killing the Donbas Russian population back in 2014-15. He needs to “toughen up” now, go for the jugular, initiate a 100% no fly zone over Ukieland before the US/Nato does, take no prisoners, bring out the big guns, go all in.

Posted by: Hannibal | Apr 8 2022 18:58 utc | 191

a question for finance/economically literate barflies–
the way I understand it, the US attained it’s preeminent position in the world post world war 2 by structuring the legal and economic systems to favor the US. part of that was saddling Britain and iirc other european countries with war debt. why did the euros go along with this at the time? couldn’t they see the writing on the wall? I can imagine it had to do with their economies being ruined by the war, fears about the USSR, but what are the specifics?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 8 2022 19:03 utc | 192

That is an encouraging sign […] the need to speak up — as long as you are contributing here, you are most welcome…
Just follow b’s rules and you will be one of us.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 8 2022 15:29 utc | 117

So many “of us” disappeared post Covid-19 comments…
Leider. Time for Amnesty

Posted by: Weimar | Apr 8 2022 19:09 utc | 193

The country with the money got to decide who was “denazified.” And consider that most Western European journalism was controlled by the OSS.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 19:12 utc | 194

In my view, this blog is currently the best in the world, and I feel guilty cos I haven’t sent the host any money recently, cos I kind of fell out over covid – but I understand that, and I do like the original song.
From memory, I think Bernhard is about 6 years older than me.
So send him some money.
Euros / Dollars / Rubles – he doesn’t mind
“The “Alabama Song” was written as a German poem and translated into idiosyncratic English for the author Bertolt Brecht by his close collaborator Elisabeth Hauptmann in 1925[1] and published in Brecht’s 1927″
“Lotte Lenya sings Alabama Song”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6orDcL0zt34

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Apr 8 2022 19:19 utc | 195

I’m specifically interested in the British war debt, at one point it was not clear if the US was providing military aid to the allies for free, or charging for it. surprise surprise, they charged for it, which put Britain in an economic hole. basically the US kneecapped its predecessor world power, giving it a flying start on the “American Century” which turned out to be more like the American 50 years or so. I remember a discussion of this in the older edition (1972) of Superimperialism, but I just don’t remember the specifics. I’m going to buy the new one, I’m really interested in the updates.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 8 2022 19:19 utc | 196

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 19:12 utc | 204
thanks, it makes a lot of sense that OSS took over Western European journalism, just like today.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 8 2022 19:20 utc | 197

Also, among the victorious powers, excluding the USA of course, in the early postwar years UK and France foolishly regarded themselves as victors—with empires even! The USSR was quickly relegated to PNG status. No other countries mattered except as pawns.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 19:24 utc | 198

@ pretzelattack
I should have also mentioned that the USA almost singlehandedly controlled the paper supply! No paper, no newspapers…

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2022 19:26 utc | 199

We’re chumps and Neanderthals. The Circe we all knew is back.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 8 2022 19:27 utc | 200