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March 5, 2022
Zelensky And The Fascists: “He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk”

Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism states:

Lambert and I both find this is the worst informational environment either of us have faced, orders of magnitude worse than the war in Iraq, …

and:

Dear patient readers,

Lambert and I, and many readers, agree that Ukraine has prompted the worst informational environment ever. We hope readers will collaborate in mitigating the fog of war – both real fog and stage fog – in comments. None of us need more cheerleading and link-free repetition of memes; there are platforms for that.

I ask readers and commentators here to live by the same standard. There are too many comments now for me to read and police. Please notify me via email if there are certain trolls or offenders who deserve to be excluded from this site.

Now back to Ukraine and the big question: Why is Russia doing this?

At the Grayzone Alexander Rubinstein and Max Blumenthal have published a piece about Zelensky's turn from the peacemaker he had promised to be before his election to an active supporter of the fascist 'ultranational' militia. They pin that turn to a frontline meeting between Zelensky and militia fighters in the fall of 2019:

In a face-to-face confrontation with militants from the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who had launched a campaign to sabotage the peace initiative called “No to Capitulation,” Zelensky encountered a wall of obstinacy. 

With appeals for disengagement from the frontlines firmly rejected, Zelensky melted downon camera. “I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons,” Zelensky implored the fighters.

Once video of the stormy confrontation spread across Ukrainian social media channels, Zelensky became the target of an angry backlash.

Andriy Biletsky, the proudly fascist Azov Battalion leader who once pledged to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen”, vowed to bring thousands of fighters to Zolote if Zelensky pressed any further. Meanwhile, a parliamentarian from the party of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko openly fantasized about Zelensky being blown to bits by a militant’s grenade.

Though Zelensky achieved a minor disengagement, the neo-Nazi paramilitaries escalated their “No Capitulation” campaign. And within months, fighting began to heat up again in Zolote, sparking a new cycle of violations of the Minsk Agreement.

By this point, Azov had been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and its street vigilante wing, known as the National Corps, was deployed across the country under the watch of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, and alongside the National Police. In December 2021, Zelensky would be seen delivering a “Hero of Ukraine” award to a leader of the fascistic Right Sector in a ceremony in Ukraine’s parliament.

That is all correct. But let me point out that death threats from the fascists to Zelensky were already made much earlier.

On May 27 2019, a week after Zelensky's inauguration as president, the Ukrainian internet news site Obozrevatel published a long interview with Dmytro Anatoliyovych Yarosh, a co-founder of the Right Sector who was then the commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army. Yarosh and others like him have had little support when they tried to get elected to parliament but they, as demonstrated during Maidan, have the guns and the will to use them.

I now get an 'access denied' when I try to fetch the original interview but found a copy at archive.org.

The headline of the interview carries his main message (machine translations):

Yarosh: if Zelensky betrays Ukraine, he will lose not his position, but his life


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As the interview is quite long I will concentrate on two parts. Zelensky had promised peace and to implement the Minsk agreement. Here is Yarosh's thought about Minsk:

Interviewer: What do you mean?

Yarosh: The Minsk format – and I talk about this all the time – is an opportunity to play for time, arm the Armed Forces, switch to the best world standards in the system of national security and defense. This is an opportunity for maneuver. But no more. The implementation of the Minsk agreements is the death of our state. They are not worth a drop of blood of the guys and girls, men and women who died in this war. Not a drop.

We were better prepared during this diplomatic game for a possible large-scale Russian invasion.

I: Do you think it's time to abandon "Minsk"?

Y: Undoubtedly.

I: But Zelensky was told immediately after the elections that he had no alternatives.

Y: "They told Zelensky" … Did Zelensky say anything at all?

I: Not.

Y: And it's scary. The Supreme Commander, who says nothing at all. It's kind of empty. And it's very strange.

I: Waiting for what the newly elected president will say?

Y: Not only. Let's fight and get ready. We are waiting for what he will say and, most importantly, how he will act. "By their fruits you will know them," says Scripture. "Fruits" we will see somewhere in the fall. Zelensky is an inexperienced politician. And the retinue makes the king. And we already see who is there, "in the retinue", is beginning to appear. It does not add optimism. Because Zelensky promised his voters (I was not Zelensky's voter) that he would break the oligarchic system. But already from the first appointments, we see that the oligarchic system continues to live and flourish. And, obviously, it will continue to be so. Just the streams will be transferred.

To the 'ultranationalists' in the Ukraine the Minsk agreement was always just a fig-leaf to have time for rearming. In 2019, five years after Minsk, they already felt capable and ready to again attack and overwhelm the Donbas rebels.

Yarosh's remark about Zelensky and the oligarchs is not wrong. The streams of money sucked from Ukrainians and foreign donors were redirected under Zelensky to benefit those oligarchs, most prominently Igor Kolomoyskyy, who had supported him.

The interviewer then asks Yarosh about his relation to Kolomoyskyy who had called the conflict with Donbas a civil war. Yarosh does not mind Kolomoyskyy but rejects the 'civil war' claim:

Yarosh: [P]erhaps, something is pushing him to make such statements. Apparently, some kind of business interest.

This is the main danger of the oligarchy, as for me. They, the oligarchs, are talented people, because without talent it is impossible to build such businesses and earn billions. But the danger of the oligarchs is that they are compradors. They don't give a damn about the Motherland. They need money. Profit turns a blind eye to everything. And then you can negotiate with Russia on any terms.

And that is why Zelensky is very dangerous for us Ukrainians. I feel it.

Interviewer: What is the danger?

Y: His statements about peace at any cost are dangerous for us. Vladimir simply does not know the price of this world. He may have been with concerts close to the front. But when my boys were torn apart by Russian shells into small pieces and then these pieces had to be collected and sent to their mothers, the price somehow looks completely different.

I: Are you trying to meet him now?

Y: Yes. I have already made a couple of messages, but he is silent. Perhaps they didn't reach him. He is a busy man…

But even if this meeting does not happen, it's okay. He just needs to understand one truth: Ukrainians cannot be humiliated. Ukrainians, after seven hundred years of colonial slavery, may not yet have fully learned how to build a state. But we learned how to make an uprising very well and remove all those "eagles" who are trying to parasitize on the sweat and blood of Ukrainians. Zelensky said in his inaugural speech that he was ready to lose ratings, popularity, position… No, he would lose his life. He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk – if he betrays Ukraine and those people who died in the Revolution and the War.


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Khreshchatyk is the main street of Kiev. The above and other threats to Zelensky certainly helped to convert him from peacemaker to warmonger and friend of the various 'ultranational' militia formations.

In spring 2021 Zelensky announced that the Ukraine would retake Crimea by force. Russia then held large military maneuvers and Zelensky backed down. By November 2021 the Ukraine again made noise and said it would be retaking Donbas by force. Russia again held military maneuvers as a show of force but this time the situation deteriorated further.

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.


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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR*:

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

One of the package decision Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

On February 22 Russia recognized the Donbas republics as independent states. On February 24 Russian troops crossed the borders into the Ukraine.

The aim set for the Russian military is to de-militarize the Ukraine and to de-nazify it.

The first is easy to understand. The Russian military will simple destroy or disable all heavy weapons the Ukraine has.

The second aim requires more explanation than the above interview with Dmytro Yarosh.

As the Grayzone notes:

In November 2021, one of Ukraine’s most prominent ultra-nationalist militiamen, Dmytro Yarosh, announced that he had been appointed as an advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yarosh is an avowed follower of the Nazi collaborator Bandera who led Right Sector from 2013 to 2015, vowing to lead the “de-Russification” of Ukraine.

The threats from the fascists make it impossible for any Ukrainian politician to implement a sane policy that would lead to peace in the country.

The fascists in Ukraine are relatively few. But they have the guns and they will kill anyone who opposes them and their aims. They have been put into important state positions. (Besides that oligarchs like Kolomoyskyy pay and use them for their own purposes.)

The problem is that such ideological groups, once firmly established, tend to grow. The Right Sector is holding 'patriotic' summer camps for young Ukrainians and the Ukrainian state is financing those. They are successful and Ukrainian youths is looking up to them.

These developments are what Russia is afraid off. As Patrick Armstrong wrote at the start of the current intervention:

What [Putin] is talking about is what the Soviet Union tried to do from 1933 onwards: namely to stop Hitler before he got started. This time Russia is able to do it by itself. In other words, Putin feels that he is making a pre-emptive attack to stop June 1941. This is very serious indeed and indicates that the Russians are going to keep going until they feel that they can safely stop.

The Russian military will destroy the militia formations like the Right Sector and the Azov battalion which is currently holding the people of Mariupol as hostages. It will try to get all their leaders – dead or alive.

When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine.

Being freed from powerful fascists will enable Ukrainian politicians to re-institute sane policies.

That's the plan.

But will it work?

That is probably the wrong question. One should ask to what degree and for how long will it work.

After Ukraine's independence it took the 'ultranationalists' 22 years, and the help of the CIA, to come to power. Once eliminated they may claw back, but it will take them some time. The Ukraine will be busy with reviving its economy. It will have little money to spend on arms.  

Thirty years later Russia may see a repeat of the confrontation. But 30 years are quite a long time.


* Ukraine could not break the permissive action link security codes of those nuclear weapons so it actually gave up nothing.

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Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:59 utc | 552
“>https://m.guancha.cn/WangShiChun/2022_03_06_629031.shtml

I have machine translated the above link from Chinese using DeepL as follows. See the original link for the pictures.
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Observer’s Weekly Military Review: Russia can always provide us with lessons
Source: Observer
2022-03-06 11:56
Wang Shichuan Author
Observer Military Observer
The most important military news of the week was, naturally, the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian conflict. The course of the war over the past 10 days has proved that the Russian command clearly undertook a military adventure after 24 February in the hope of a systemic collapse of the Ukrainian army, and the relatively large losses suffered by the Russian forces confirm the failure of political speculation on the Russian side. For us, facing another war for the reunification of the motherland, this particular war, with its strange mixture of traditional warfare and unconventional military operations, is a very worthwhile lesson.
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The Russian army didn’t fight a pretty war, it’s all about lessons for us
The battle line

Let’s start by talking about the situation facing the Russian army, so that readers can understand the current state of play. As of 5 March, when this week’s military review was written, the Russian army was conducting an offensive on four main fronts, mainly from the north to the south-east, and was making significant progress in all four directions and inflicting unrecoverable losses on the Ugandan forces in front of it. However, due to the length of the Russian front, which exceeded the maximum depth of attack distance set out in the regulations, and the fact that the Russians had run out of supplies carried by themselves, the Ugandan army sustained ambushes below company platoons costing the Russians over 500 men in losses.
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This is the best picture of the battle on March 6 Photo source thanks to Twitter @RedRobeFirefly
In the northwest, the Kiev direction of interest, Russia continued to advance north of Kiev, with Russian airborne units continuing to split into the Kiev suburbs in the direction of Kiev, running towards the Hagostomel and Bucha regions, while Russian tank units on the east bank of the river may continue to split into the Chernigov region on the east bank of the Dnieper to join forces in the direction of Sumy, with the U.S. military speculating that Russian forces will surround Kiev from the northeast and east.
Despite the 100km advance, Russian light armour suffered two notable casualties in this direction, when two airborne platoon-sized units in the Buccha direction were wiped out by Ukrainian special forces in a close range sneak attack while marching in column. Video footage released by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence confirms that the Russians lost 10 paratroopers belonging to the 76th Airborne Division in this area, with two losses estimated at over 50 men, and that the Russian Ministry of Defence has issued a “revenge order” against the Ukrainian special forces who have been recklessly publishing pictures of Russian corpses.
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Russian troops continue to engage in a vigilante battle with small groups of Ukrainian special forces in northern Kiev Photo: social media
Despite the blows suffered by Russian forces in the immediate suburbs of Kiev, an interview with a Russian First TV reporter on 3 March on the close up of the An225 at Gostomeli military airport confirmed that Russian forces are under less threat in this direction and have held prisoners of war from the capital’s defence forces, a report that raises doubts on the battlefront, and a plausible explanation at the moment is that there are not many established and serious Ukrainian forces left north of the city of Kiev The only resistance forces left are Ukrainian special forces still active in the area, but these die-hard elements are still inflicting considerable damage on the Russian army by exercising their initiative. The Russian 76th Division and the Chechen National Guard are continuing their campaign against Bucha. Meanwhile, the Russian advance on Kiev from the east has been more successful, particularly in the direction from Sumy via Konotop and Nizin.
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This photo is a better illustration of the war: two countries destroying the fruits of civilisation of the past with the weapons of the past era Photo: social media
In the direction of Kharkov, which is of interest to the outside world, the Russian forces are currently stuck in the west and east of Kharkov, with a temporary delay in penetration from Kharkov in other directions. The city’s artillery and technical weapons are being gradually consumed by the Russian forces. The Russian 4th Kanjemilov Guards Tank Division and the 27th Red Banner Sebastopol Brigade have spent the last 48 hours manoeuvring around the city to the east and west, but only superficially. On 3 March, the T-80BVM tanks of the 200th Independent Naval Infantry Brigade advancing from the Kharkov direction to Poltava were recovered by the local militia, along with some 2S19 self-propelled guns and other weapons, but there is no video of Russian equipment being destroyed in this direction, and the militia only claim that the weapons were “captured”. The author speculates that this may be a case of the Russian army’s own weapons being destroyed. The author speculates that after the attempted penetration of Poltava, the 4th Division’s superiors changed their operational plans and withdrew the troops to the rear to resupply and prepare for the next offensive, while the forward troops discarded some of the heavy weapons they could not recover in the process. However, to the south-west of Kharkov, on 3 March local time, troops of the Lugansk People’s Army advancing northwards from the south of Lugansk towards the town of Novoaidar in Kharkov met up with a Russian airborne brigade advancing into the area from the north.
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Naval infantry T-80BVM tank recalled by Ukrainian side after being abandoned Photo credit: Social media
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But in this direction, too, the U.S. Army is rapidly running out of technical weapons Photo: social media
On the southern front, however, Russian forces have made faster progress than on the northern front over the past week, as can also be seen by the number of Russian Heroes of the Russian Federation medals on the southern front. In the direction of Mariupol, Russian forces have basically taken control of the entire southeastern coastal direction of the Dnieper River, capturing Berdyansk to establish a new starting point for the offensive. Meanwhile, in the Donbass direction the Lugansk People’s Army and the Donetsk People’s Army advanced 30 kilometres each, and Russian forces had already joined up with the Donetsk People’s Army north of Mariupol, completely encircling Mariupol and continuing their artillery, long-range rocket and missile attacks on the city, with Russian ground forces suspending their offensive, but on 3 and 4 March the armed Donetsk forces in the north and The Russian army, which is advancing well on the southern front, may be ready to launch a street battle against Mariupol in the next 24-48 hours. The Russian army, which is advancing well on the southern front, may be ready to launch a street battle against Mariupol in the next 24-48 hours. The Russian side has now imposed a unilateral ceasefire on the Donbass front in Volnovakha and Mariupol on the morning of 5 March to open up humanitarian relief and evacuation routes for the trapped population in both areas, before resuming fire, reflecting subsequent moves by Russian forces.
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Donbass working class forces pass the “Iron Workers” statue Photo: social media
In the western part of the southern front, the Russian side, after capturing Kherson, has launched a new offensive to the northwest, towards the city of Nikolaev, where the Ukrainian naval command is located, and Odessa in the southwest. So far, the Ukrainian Army has organised a sizeable defence in this direction, destroying some of the Russian spearhead’s mechanised weapons such as several T-72B3 tanks and capturing a BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle of the advancing force, but that is as far as it has gone, and the Russians have lost one Su-25 and one Su-34 attack aircraft in this direction, the largest single day of losses for the Air Force since the start of the war. losses. Russian troops are now on the outskirts of Nikolaev and are preparing to land in the direction of Odessa, although the landing is a feint and it can be assumed that the landing will be assisted by the establishment of contact between the Crimea and Odessa. In addition, the Russian army continued to advance in the direction of Zaporozhye and did not suffer any new large-scale losses in this reverse direction.
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The loss of three Russian fixed-wings in this direction was unacceptable Photo: social media
This is despite the fact that the Russian forces have overcome many disadvantages, surging over 100km in all directions and occupying hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of land. The Russian military strikes have largely defeated the organised defences of the Ukrainian army in a campaign that has lasted 10 days, with Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov saying on the evening of 5 March that Russian forces had destroyed more than 2,100 Ukrainian military facilities. Since the start of the operation, 2,119 Ukrainian military infrastructures have been destroyed, including 74 command posts and communications hubs, 108 S-300 surface-to-air anti-aircraft missile systems, ‘Beech M-1’ and ‘Wasp’ air defence systems and 68 radar stations”, Konashenkov continued, “69 aircraft were destroyed on the ground, 21 aircraft were shot down in the air, 748 tanks and armoured vehicles, 76 flak rocket systems, 274 artillery and mortars, 532 units of special military vehicles and 59 drones. The Ukrainian army had about 2,000 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles before the war, and as the Russian war reports were largely credible, about half of the Ukrainian army’s technical armament had been largely consumed. For Ukraine, the losses were comparable to those of Saddam’s regime in 1991, and it would have been difficult for Ukraine, which lacked heavy industry afterwards, to return to its former military strength, even with NATO support. But despite this, Russian forces have suffered more losses than outside observers had previously anticipated during the week-long advance, with 498 Russian troops killed and 1,597 wounded since the special military operation in Ukraine, according to Russian defence ministry spokesman Konashenkov on the same day. According to Soviet military regulations, Russian divisions and brigades generally have a reserve of house materiel that can only support divisional and brigade-level units for three to five combat days, and although the intensity of the fighting varies from front to front, as the war enters its 10th day, Russian forces will inevitably stall to regroup and put in a second echelon of domestic follow-on troops to take over for a new offensive.
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The UPDF’s technical armaments have been largely destroyed and will require NATO assistance to rebuild them
Military adventure
As the first hotly contested battle in Europa since the turn of the 21st century, the war turned out to be a real surprise to everyone, including NATO and the Russian High Command. The losses incurred by the Russian army stemmed from the passive position of the Russian army on the battlefield, and the passive position of the Russian troops at the grassroots level was clearly the result of decisions made by the Russian high command, which defied military common sense.
Chairman Mao once pointed out: “The active position is not imaginary, but concrete and material. What is most important here is the preservation and assembly of the largest and dynamic army.” The practice of war shows that the side with the greatest strength is generally apt to take the initiative in joint campaign operations. The joint campaign should emphasise the concentration of superior forces, especially the concentration of equipment and firepower at decisive times and places, so that the campaign forces always develop an advantage over the enemy in order to gain a favourable posture and an active position.
In the past week of fighting, however, it has become clear that the Russians have given up their military advantage and actively placed their troops in a passive position. This can be seen in the long penetrations of Russian troops in violation of military regulations, in addition to the massive restrictions on the use of Russian artillery fire on their own side. The current Russian combat mission depth in this mission is far beyond the military capabilities of the Russian army, which has improved its military equipment compared to the Soviet era, but is not much more advanced than the Soviet army in terms of its full mission depth due to its logistical capabilities. According to the relevant operational regulations, in an offensive battle, the Soviet Army would determine the depth of combat tasks based on the formation of enemy groups and defensive positions, the battle (combat) intentions and combat capabilities of its own troops, and the terrain conditions. Under normal conditions, a fully mechanised Soviet infantry division can have a full combat depth of up to 50 kilometres, only 30-35 kilometres when breaking through fortified territory and attacking in impassable areas, and up to 80 kilometres when attacking a weak enemy on plain ground and moderately undulating terrain.
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The posture map drawn by the Europeans shows that a BTG has to cope with a traditional brigade-sized territory
But the reality is that, on the tenth day of the war, the depth of the current Russian assault has exceeded the Russian military ordinance regulations. On the northern front, Russian troops have assaulted Buccha from the Russian-Ukrainian border as the starting point of the campaign in the space of a week, reaching a depth of 110 km. On the eastern front, the Russian Kanjemilov division has assaulted 100 km towards Sumy and 80 km north and south towards Kharkov, while On the southern front, the Russian forces were the most dramatic: from the Crimea to Mariupol, the Russian forces on the southern front raided 100 km in the direction of Zaporozhye, and in the direction of Mariupol, they raided a full 180 km to Mariupol on the Azov coast. These Russian detachments in place were not only out of range of the long-range firepower of the Russian helicopter airmen and groups, but also out of the logistical support of the Russian military superiors. In terms of the distance of the assault alone, the Russian Federation’s armed forces have already reached the distance of the first 10 days of US land operations in the 2003 Iraq war, but it is clear that the Iraqi forces in the Iraq war were far less willing to resist than the U.S. forces were.
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While the Russian army was engaged in a major penetration, the size of the Russian troops involved in the battle was very small compared to the elongated front, and the Russian army still retained a large number of main forces that failed to go forward. At present, according to the composition of the Russian forces, the author has only found 138 (suspected), 27, 163rd Tank Regiment of the 150th Division, 136, 4th Tank Division, 37, and 126th Coastal Defence Brigade, 200th Naval Infantry Brigade of the Northern Fleet, 31, 7th, 76th Airborne, and several special purpose brigades of the GRU, with military affiliated air defence, artillery, and rocket and towed artillery and logistical supply forces, several battalions of the National Guard, and detachments of the Russian Federal Security Service. The current observation shows that the elite Russian Kandemirov is assigned to a synthetic combat group of divisional air defence forces, and that a single penetrating detachment is often responsible for a territory of nearly 100 square kilometres at the level of a reinforced battalion, even close to the territory controlled by a synthetic brigade after the reform of our army. For a country like Ukraine, which spans 500 kilometres from north to south and 1,000 kilometres from east to west, this is a very small number of troops. The Russian army has at least 20 divisions and brigades unused in the country so far. The Russian Ministry of Defence also released on 4 March local time the deeds and information of the first seven heroes of the Russian Federation, whose troops also fought in a territory that largely validates the size of the Russian army’s current troop presence.
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Tank drivers of the naval infantry, with courage and quality, defeated the UPDF in symmetrical combat
In such a passive position, the mere penetration of the old mechanised units of the Russian Army resulted in substantial non-combat losses. For example, in the 1979 self-defence counter-attack against Vietnam, the total number of our tanks involved in the battle was only seven regiments and two battalions, of which the main combatants were several army and military district tank regiments, of which over 600 tank armoured vehicles were lost in battle more than 500 times during the assault and penetration, but most of them were repaired and only about 40 tanks were eventually totaled due to excessive damage. However, such repairs occurred in the face of our absolute superiority in strength and firepower, with the 43rd Army Tank Corps advancing only 80 kilometres and with several armies in the rear. The problem facing the Russian Army at present is that the rapid penetration of troops on both fronts has seriously depleted the fuel and logistical supplies of its units, and the Russian Army’s main mechanised units are over-aged, with a large number of vehicles over 30 years old, and a large number of equipment which, although short in age, is in fact far less reliable than the Russian Army says it is, being discarded – effectively facing the need to rest The problem of resupplying to regroup before continuing into high-intensity combat Russian divisional and brigade-sized units, with assaults of over 80km on the northern front and nearly 200km on the southern front, would have suffered no small amount of non-combat losses.
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The excessive advance has resulted in the loss of a large number of field defence systems Photo: social media
As we currently have no objective means of accounting for Russian losses, because the Ukrainian military’s “base camp war report” is so exaggerated that it literally adds an extra zero to the results, we have to turn to open source information on the war. According to Oryx, a pro-Western open source intelligence enthusiast, who has identified and counted all the Russian and Ukrainian battle damage in photos and videos online, there are 555 photos of Russian mechanised equipment losses of all types, including 227 total losses, 131 abandoned and 189 captured, including 72 tank losses and 23 total losses, 75 infantry fighting vehicles, including 23 total losses. pieces, 17 mobile anti-aircraft missile vehicles, of which 6 were destroyed by TB-2 drones, and 184 photo pieces of various other wheeled vehicles. Although pro-Western open-source accounts like oryx also confuse “total loss” and “captured” photos extensively in their blogs, referring to a large number of videos taken by “Ukrainian countrymen” as “There is a lot of double counting. However, the open-source statistics of Russian losses show that the Russian army did abandon its main battle equipment, such as tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armoured transport vehicles, above the size of battalions and regiments, and that a large number of old wheeled vehicles were destroyed and abandoned in the course of the operation.
Although the UPDF did not launch a massive counterattack, the Russians still suffered some platoon level losses, and public video shows that the Russian advance in the first week of the war also suffered several major losses in the late days of February, including battalion and company level losses to front line equipment in brutal close combat, such as in the ambush on 27 February and 4 March in the direction of Buczavan, north of Kiev. In the ambushes suffered north of Kiev in the direction of Buczafon, for example, the Russians suffered two successive ambushes, suffered losses at the level of three airborne platoons, and lost more than 20 airborne troops and more than eight airborne combat vehicles. These losses also match the figure of 498 Russian troops killed during the operation, as confirmed by the Russian Ministry of Defence. What can be judged is that the Russian mechanised forces in the main offensive direction, which probably have around 1,500 main battle equipment and slightly fewer logistical vehicles and artillery support equipment than the main battle armament, have not suffered establishment losses so far, but after a week of low intensity fighting, the Russian front will need to wait for the follow-on forces to replenish before making another plan.
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The loss of Russian equipment also illustrates the passive nature of the Russian strategic posture. The advanced European and American weapons on hand, such as the Javelin and the TB-2, caused few losses to the Russian forces. So far the Javelin has not caused many results, and there is no video of the corresponding strikes, except for a T-80BVM, which was presumed to be the result of an ambush by the UPDF. At the same time, the convoy destroyed by the TB-2 was located in a weak Russian logistical convoy, and the TB-2 was rarely able to stop the Russian vanguard mechanised unit, protected by Armour and Tunguska, from attacking hard. It is fair to say that the Russian composite column, with its heavily reinforced attachments, did a good job of destroying the small Ugandan raids and accomplishing the intended campaign objectives. However, the main Russian losses instead came from logistical supply convoys, and subsequent artillery convoys, and it could be argued that the source of Russian losses even came from UPDF light weapons, mines, direct anti-tank weapons and Ukrainian imitation Soviet anti-tank missiles.
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TB-2 inflicts some battle damage on logistical convoys
There are many reasons why the Russian army limited its own means of military action, and it is not difficult to surmise that it sought to minimise casualties among the population for the sake of the need to facilitate the post-war handling of the Ukrainian problem and its own international reputation. However, another part of the determination of the head of the Russian military command to act against military common sense clearly has a political purpose, but such a decision is clearly an act of opportunism.
Russia is the stronger side against Ukraine, but the weaker side against NATO, and the Ukrainian campaign is not entirely a “military account”, but has a large “political account”. In such a situation where the enemy is strong and we are weak, this speculative behaviourism is similar to the “leftist” opportunist military strategy of our country during the Agrarian Revolutionary War, in that it is hoped that a military adventure will change the dynamics of a strong enemy and a weak one. It can be assumed that the Russians wanted a “multipoint campaign” across Ukraine, with large numbers of troops interspersed in the direction of Kiev and Kharkiv, and even airborne troops penetrating alone, to overwhelm the Ukrainian government and army in terms of public opinion and morale, to achieve a “military parade”, to force the Ukrainian army to come forward and clash with the Russian mechanised forces for a showdown, and to force the The Ukrainian government was forced to issue an order to cease resistance.
But both military practice and historical experience have shown that the consequences of such a military adventure, if it failed, were unthinkable. The Russian army has not been able to withstand establishment losses in the week-long battle, but the strategic objectives that the Russian command had hoped to achieve have not been achieved. As we have seen over the past 200 hours, the dozen or so brigades in eastern Ukraine, despite their weak will to resist, did not manoeuvre and fight in formation over the past week, choosing instead to establish fortified positions in key cities and population centres, almost exclusively with the intention of fighting to the death on the ground, and the Russians did not find the opportunity to quickly destroy the Ukrainian army in manoeuvre. It could be argued that hundreds of “four-line warehouses” were built throughout the east of the Dnieper, with the aim of winning “international support” for the Ukrainian authorities in a “dignified death”. The aim was to win “international support” for the Ukrainian authorities in a “dignified death”.
[pic military observer hiding in childrens bedroom]
UPDF artillery observers crouched in children’s quarters
For the Ukrainian army, what they did in the first week of the war was the most rational choice. They were not in a position to repel the Russian attacking forces on their own territory, and although they were faced with a situation where the enemy was extremely strong and we were extremely weak, they could avoid the fulfilment of the Russian strategic intent by a number of means, namely by avoiding a quick victory for the Russians and a quick defeat for themselves. From the first day of the war, the Ukrainian army rarely moved from its positions, relying only on the large amount of supplies it had on hand, its strong fortifications and its proximity to populated areas, forcing the Russians to stop and switch to the offensive or forcing them to drop their moral baggage and bombard populated areas in front of the global media.
The UPDF has not lost its initiative completely, and the UPDF’s strikes against the Russians have made more use of NATO’s intelligence advantage, using small groups of forces to surprise the Russians with these scattered forces, and the following company attacks have been piecemeal against the Russians, and often “die together,” but the sum total adds up to as many as 500 Russian troops killed and more than 1,000 wounded today. The losses caused by this military adventurism were indeed a tactical error on the part of the Russian command. The series of losses suffered by the Russian army during the long manoeuvres, and the information warfare in the Western-controlled media, further encouraged the determination of the die-hard elements to fight to the end, and further discouraged the idea of a “quick victory” for the Russian army.
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NATO’s early warning aircraft and cameras have helped the UPDF gain valuable intelligence
So far, the scales of war are still tipping in Russia’s favour, with the Russians still firmly in control of the battlefield as they increase the number of sorties by Russian Air and Space Forces fixed-wing fighters, drones and helicopter gunships, gradually loosen their fire-strike restrictions, and gradually deplete their combat forces with a lack of supplies and troops. Daily videos of Russian losses released by the UAF are decreasing, while the Russian front is gradually firming up and increasing in strength, with established UAF brigade headquarters continually being captured by Russian and Donbass militias. The current situation suggests that this long-delayed war will continue to drag on, as well as the changing geopolitical situation leaving the Russian forces still at a disadvantage.
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The Chechens’ night vision and the Russian drones were more than the Ukrainians could handle
Another lesson from this politically opportunistic military adventure of the Russian command is that the Russian army has almost completely abandoned “propaganda” as a political tool. Chairman Mao had taught us that the propaganda work of the Red Army was the first major work of the Red Army. The Chinese Communist Party had a profound understanding of military propaganda from the very beginning of its political career and revolutionary struggle in China. Ukraine has a well-developed infrastructure, telecommunications facilities and mobile phone penetration, and the Russian army has a certain awareness of the effectiveness of using the internet to communicate military operations. However, in the current Russian-Ukrainian conflict, under the military decision of “politics over military”, the Russian military’s propaganda system has failed to break the persistent and tenacious will of the Ukrainian army to resist while choosing not to disconnect the entire Ukrainian territory, which is indeed a lesson to be learnt. For various reasons, the Russian side failed to make public the progress of its forces and the results of the battle in a timely manner, with the first videos of the results being released only 96 hours after the start of the battle, and the only videos released were of strikes by Air Force helicopter gunships. It is surprising that only the Chechen forces and the Donetsk and Luhansk forces made regular releases of information about the entire joint campaign, which spanned several groups of armies and air divisions and naval bases. This was something that none of us had anticipated at the beginning of the war.
[night vision pic]
Mobile phones and cameras have given the Ukrainian army a tired and valuable means of communication and command
Russian netizens, Ukrainian netizens and those of other countries outside the region received almost unilateral videos of the attrition of Russian vehicles captured by the Ukrainian public. Due to the “military adventures” of the Russian command, the inevitable attrition of the Russian mechanised columns during the ongoing assault and the relatively casual attitude of the Russian army towards the Ukrainian civilian population, such videos of “heavy Russian losses” began to fill the internet within hours of the start of the war. The internet began to fill up. Forty-eight hours after the start of the war, as a result of direct intervention by Western powers and the “network-wide censorship” of Western social media administrators, videos of damage to Ukrainian equipment disappeared from Western-controlled social media platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and Oil Tube, leaving only a large number of videos of Russian troops abandoning their vehicles and damaging them, so that many internet users could only see Russian losses, not the annihilation of Ukrainian troops.
From what I have observed, these persistent videos of the annihilation of the enemy, combined with the rare drone combat results of the Ukrainian army, have greatly boosted the fighting morale of Ukrainian nationalists and indirectly influenced NATO’s determination to intervene. It can be said that the Russian propaganda system, especially its military propaganda system, which has long been the “children of other families” in the minds of our netizens, has disappeared in this Russian-Ukrainian conflict, as have the probe-drones.
Could we have done better?
It was a war of unprecedented “transparency”, and the team I worked with watched, analysed the battle and sorted it out to form effective information live in real time, which ended up being a miracle in the history of contemporary journalism and a manifestation of the nation’s concern for this war. This war is a light and strange war is a teaching without tuition, whether we or the comrades of the Division, for this war already have the same or different thinking, but these thoughts ultimately point to a common direction, for the face of the war of reunification of the motherland, when that day really comes, we can do right better?
In response to this doubt, the author has had some unclassified exchanges with some comrades in the army over the past few days, and the general consensus among us and our comrades in the army is that the answer to this is yes. First of all, our commander-in-chief makes decisions and certainly does not engage in speculation. As panorama broadcasters of the war, we all have a deeper appreciation of the phrase “the soldier is a matter of national importance, a place of life and death, a way of survival, and must not be ignored”. The military is a continuation of politics, and winning a military victory is the absolute first priority. The command should not have any military illusions for the sake of political speculation, modify the normal military decision-making scheme in the pre-program and weaken the strength of military strikes. In the words of the author’s friend, you can’t hit the Sichuan Road bridge under the Suzhou River before you start thinking about the “little soldier’s question”. Putin did not answer this question well, so the battle was very ugly. The political system of the Russian and Chinese armies is different. The fundamental principle and system of absolute leadership of the army by the party is the political quality and fundamental advantage of the people’s army that completely distinguishes it from all the old armies, and therefore our chiefs can never take military risks and political speculation with the lives of our soldiers.
[pic Chinese soldier]
The question, “Do you want a capitalist building or a proletarian fighter”, must be thought through before firing a shot.
Gaps in the commander-in-chief aside, the war has better lessons for many of our friends in the army. The shape of our future war for the reunification of the motherland will be very similar to the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, and the Russian army showed all the disadvantages that our troops avoided as much as possible. The war brought with it a number of new questions and reflections for our comrades in the army, many of which concerned “how should we fight such a war”.
If the war of 1991 was a wake-up call, the war of 2022 will be a mere check-up for us. The war we are fighting is much more complex than the Kharkov offensive, and in view of this, many of my friends believe that the systemic gaps reflected in the Russian military campaign are all-encompassing, and not just minor issues such as “not enough probe-and-fight drones”. The Russian army used a large number of drones in the war, but even so, the Russian army did not have a unified information-based command system, and the information from the drones could not be processed, and could only be provided to small units for alerting. Due to the lack of information-based reconnaissance feedback, the Russian fixed-wing and drone forces were ineffective against the Ugandan special forces, who were organized into groups, and against the Ugandan mechanized forces, who were hunkered down in the cities.
If it were the PLA on the other side of the Eurasian continent, with the advantage of information technology built up since the “military reform”, and supported by advanced equipment and combat systems, the PLA would have fought a far more beautiful war than the Russians. The PLA was able to rely on its information superiority, to divide into zones and to strike the enemy’s forces with the same political aspirations through massive precision strikes. At the same time, the modernised mechanised infantry, with the advantage of its officer and non-commissioned officer corps, advanced observation and information-based communication systems, and under the cover of its own overwhelmingly superior air and artillery precision fire, was able to use the night and even daytime to launch an offensive, “pinpointing” every house and street in the city and rapidly dismantling the enemy’s defences. Speaking of the quality of officers, the Russian army rarely organised battalion and company level night battles during the war, probably because the Russian staff was not good enough to organise night operations for large units.
[2 pics drone launch plus one other]
This systemic gap just won’t work Photo credit: Social media
Ultimately, however, the Russian military is exposed for a variety of reasons that are still a matter of national strength. The Russian army has limited military spending and its Air and Space Forces fleet is only literally a fraction of the size of the PLA’s (the gap is about 1,400 to 400 for the fighter fleet, 80 to 1 for the five-generation fleet, and 10 to 1 for the special fleet), in terms of the vital special fleet, especially the fleet of electronic countermeasures and early warning aircraft. Even if outside observers were to make excuses, the absence of the Air and Space Forces since the start of the war 10 days ago is unwarranted, especially as the Air and Space Forces are an integral part of the Soviet-Russian style offensive campaign system. We will need to wait for the Russian side to decipher the absence of the Air Force afterwards, but one possible military speculation is that the Russian forces are still wary of the far stronger NATO countries’ warplanes. After all, it is now the Russian Air and Space Forces, and any aircraft shot down from Ukrainian territory can be called by the West as having been shot down by the Ukrainian side, as can also be seen only in the Pentagon briefing of 1 March. The US side insisted on claiming that Russia had not gained air control over Ukraine when the Ukrainian air force and air defence units were barely able to organise an effective defence. The fact that the Russian army has been slow to organise a decent air offensive shows that the Russian air and space forces still have to prepare for a “strong enemy” west of Lviv.
[pic J-20?]
Just as I was finishing the article, I came across this news: China’s military budget for this year is RMB 1,450.45 billion, up 7.1% year-on-year, an increase of 0.3 percentage points compared to last year. This is the first time since 2019 that China’s military budget has increased by more than 7%. Compared to the Russians, we are undoubtedly fortunate to be backed by a country that can constantly provide its people’s army with the most advanced warplanes. It is true that the Russian army can wage a war with the Yars and the Bulava as its backbone, but without the J-20, it really cannot fight this war as beautifully as the other hegemonic powers. For our part, we can safely contemplate whether our Dongfeng 41 is enough while providing the People’s Army with dozens of brigades of advanced fighters. In any case, the problems and lessons of the Russians would take three days and nights to write about, and if there is one sentence that sums up this glorious war, it is that the Russians will always have lessons to offer us.
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Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 13:16 utc | 601

Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 8:44 utc | 526
and Uncle Tungsten
Thank you for responding re Gonzale Lira.
Yes I think the dissonance I was feeling was exactly that he has a family and to me he seems to be taking a big risk if he is where he says he is. It seemed cavalier but it’s probably just his personality. I am aware that the Duran guys know him so its probably that my BS meter is stuck on high alert these days with the media barage 🙂

Posted by: K | Mar 6 2022 13:16 utc | 602

@Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 12:55 utc | 599

I am guessing that in Europe the social democratic parties were heavily influenced by working class Catholics as was the case for the USA democrats and very much the case in Australia.

Well you guessed wrong about that. In the Netherlands, catholics were expressly forbidden by episcopal decree from voting social-democrat.

I was going to toss this in to the discussion about the influence of religion. Clearly in some places the role of the catholic church in its vitriolic hatred for communism cannot be ignored, because it turned many social democratic parties strongly to the right. I think this long standing hatred of “commies” by those raised in the Catholic church is one reason for the violently anti Russia (and China) hysteria we see just now. It is easy to stir up these old childhood bogeymen.

You are somewhat right with that. Indeed the catholic hierarchy has always hated communism with a vengeance. Is it because communists deny the existence of God? Is it because communism competes by promising a worldly paradise instead of a heavenly? Or is it simply because the Church of Rome is a filthy rich corporation that has been collecting assets for millennia? Or is it also because traditionally the catholic hierarchy has been practically the same as the noble and royal hierarchies?
It sounds plausible but I think it is more complicated than that. Why are the anglo-atlantic protestant elites equally venomous towards anything communist? And what about the “zionists” you mention? Let’s just say that while communism did not exist at the time, the Venitian black nobility would have been more than happy to incite a gainful crusade against it. Oh and on that note, Opus Dei, really the outer core of the Society of Jesus (aka Jesuits) have a more than peculiar history of inception. If you do away with all the fairy tales that they made up themselves and delve into who were the backers of Loyola, a somewhat different picture arises. Do your homework.

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 13:17 utc | 603

@c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:11 utc | 602

The real problem is the corruption and fiduciary irresponsibility of the federal and state governments in the US and Europe.

No the real problem is the non-natural legal person construct that allows for this corruption and irresposibility to take on out of control proportions. It is an utter perversion of human reason and proportion.

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 13:21 utc | 604

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 13:16 utc | 603
Wow, that post was longer than I realised – but hopefully B will allow it because it was a lot of work to translate and provides a viewpoint that has been completely absent from what I have seen so far. It is a very different point of view (irrespective of its merits and demerits).

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 13:21 utc | 605

@Roger #394
How very typical of you: use academic studies to try and prove points which are disproven.
In this case – particularly spectacularly failing since there WAS an experiment which showed why the original thesis is invalid.
Clearly you did not read the links; the point about the fires in the ME during the Iraq conflict was that all of the negative effects of a massive outpouring of soot into the atmosphere occurred but it did not exceed the 50K-60K height level – i.e. did not reach the stratosphere – and as such fell back to Earth after a few days.
The point of this real world data is that it validates the requirement for soot and ash to reach at least 70K height – and that it would require at least a 1 megaton bomb to accomplish that. This then bring the second point: neither the US nor Russia deploy 1+ megaton bombs anymore – there are a few that could reach this level but the vast majority are far smaller.
Nor did you address that Sagan himself – who publicly predicted the fires in Iraq etc would cause a non-nuclear winter – admitted he was wrong.
So nuclear winter is NOT on the table either from objective evidence or by means.
Even the theorized 70K height is theoretical. The amounts of ash unleashed by a really large volcano could theoretically do it, but again there is no scientific evidence.
It is theorized that a VEI8 strength eruption could get ash to 66K height but only Tambora *might* have been VEI8 – and the impacts of Tambora on world climate are still considered unverified by the consensus.
There was certainly talk about Pinatubo (VEI 6) – they proved groundless.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:23 utc | 606

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 6 2022 10:44 utc | 565
Guancha.cn is a Chinese media outlet, which publishes various commentators, some of whom are actual experts, some of whom are pure keyboard experts or non-experts. It also publish pro-Western and sometimes downright trolling articles: specifically to get a rise out of their readers, I suspect.
It is a popular site, overall anti-imperialist and anti-lib, and mostly reflects the prevailing directions of the wind in China. But it is by no means a “think tank”, nor will anyone actually set policy based on what it says.
BTW, regarding the fact that the Russians don’t use shock and awe: I am frankly surprised that a Chinese commentator, of all people, would actually claim to not understand. Have they forgotten what China’s own PLA is like?

Posted by: Chinese American | Mar 6 2022 13:24 utc | 607

@michaelj72 #402
Sad isn’t it?
I was sitting in a bar with my wife in 2016 watching the election results.
The 55+ guy next to us and ourselves might have been the only conservatives in the entire bar. As the evening rolled on, the jubilant mood of the crowd turned melancholy as Trump’s victory proceeded.
Towards the time we were about to leave and Trump’s victory was assured, my wife was approached by 2 different women wanting to *clarify* her support for Trump – which was entirely predicated on intense dislike for Hilary Clinton.
One was so clearly angry that her eyeballs were bulging half and inch from her face; the other was simply rude.
I guess they couldn’t understand why any woman would not support Hilary – the symbology of that person apparently being more important than her (mis)deeds.
The older gentlemen and myself were quietly discussing the election results but my wife was literally whooping it up.
Such is the “cancel” culture – if looks could kill, my wife would have dropped dead right there.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:29 utc | 608

@bubbles #460
Can you post a link to that video?
I’d like to see the debate.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:31 utc | 609

Thank You b for cleaning up the bar
Not sure if this has been posted but this is a link to saker
There still is not a good understanding of what this news blackout out of Russia is doing. It is one of the most important issues for us to deal with. But let me repeat what this Sitrep is and supposed to be. This is not in a sequence of importance and you will be looking at my daily raw research data in point and snippet form and not in any analytical presentation. Let’s see if we can help some with the information gap.
So, we have a new website, called https://waronfakes.com. Nice yes, but where is Mr Putin’s speech of yesterday?. Surely we must track the fakes but surely we must have the most important man out there if he speaks. This has now become a crusade because these bastards (oops Amarynth! We’re not supposed to use this language!) are now interfering with my own ability to make my own choices to hear out who I want to hear out.
https://thesaker.is/sitrep-ukraine-dailyish-2/

Posted by: ld | Mar 6 2022 13:41 utc | 610

@HZ #512
I have to wonder at this “Chinese Military observer’s” credibility.
1) Russia’s AA and radar defenses are universally acknowledged as the best in the world.
How exactly would China be supplying the base tech for it?
2) Also ECM – again, I have never seen a single mention of Chinese battlefield ELINT/ECM or any other systems for that matter. From the context of the “observation” though, it seems clear that ECM in this case is counter-propaganda since they talk about cell phone videos. Combating Tiktok and Twitter videos isn’t ECM.
3) Avionics? China has only just started building their own organically designed military and civilian jets very recently.
I’ve talked before about how the electronics in Russian military equipment is, or at least was, based on analog design principles vs. digital – which makes supply by China highly unlikely.
Note I’m not saying China doesn’t supply anything to the Russian military. Back line analysis and interpretation systems could well be digital and thus employ consumer grade components that could come from China.
But the extraordinary claims above need to be supported by something more than some anonymous “expert’s” claims.
Nor am I particularly impressed by the rest of the “observations”.
A “military observer” concerns themselves with military observations.
Assessments of NATO’s likelihood to intervene are political.
Net net: I don’t think this is a real military observer either in experience or job function.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:42 utc | 611

@Surferket #525
You said

A recent documentary showed infantry using small DIY drones made from circuit boards and plastic 3D molding, flying them with VR headsets at high speeds through ground level obstacle course before smacking them into canvas targets. That’s infantry level suicide drones.

Why would PLA infantry be using DIY drones?
How do DIY drones support your statement that the Chinese military is paramount in drone warfare – when troops are slapping together drones in their personal 3D printers?
Note also in a combat environment against a 1st world nation, there’s this thing called jamming. Drones require relatively constant communication – the big surveillance ones can self pilot for a period of time due to height, but a small surface height drone needs precise steering to get around.
In the past, it was harder for ground defenders to jam than for ground attackers to switch frequencies – however – it is not clear that this is true anymore.
In particular, the balance of power capabilities (electricity) is in the ground defender’s space, offset by the ground attacker’s initiative in choosing the electronic frequencies used.
All I can say is: if you can deploy a cell phone jammer that works in mile plus range, you can deploy a frequency hopping jammer in a multi-hundred meter range.
Battlefield jammers were created to disrupt voice comms; they are even better suited to disrupt the far more delicate comms required from drone systems.
But only 1st line militaries have them.
I would want to see some evidence that these drone systems would work against a 1st line military as opposed to fancy stunt flying in an unopposed environment.
Don’t forget that a fancy 9 digit expense US drone was hijacked by Iran and landed in 2011 RQ-170 incident on wiki
Is Iran a 1st line military in electronic warfare? Possible but I don’t think so.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:55 utc | 612

Re the guancha.cn piece.
Nothing to see, let’s just move on people.
Some armchair strategist with zero expertise but probably a house full of military magazine and paraphernalia.
I echo what Chinese American said a few posts above.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 6 2022 13:58 utc | 613

@waynorinorway #553
I just use the search function and the poster’s name.
Even with troll postings, it isn’t the least bit difficult to find the referenced post.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:59 utc | 614

watcher | Mar 6 2022 10:53 utc | 566
I’m not sure i agree with you about who were the fascist countries at the end of WW2
I’d say there are countries that were openly fascist and then there were the really evil ones who were behind the openly fascist ones.
And I also think that a country can be fascist with a convincing facade of electoral democracy that will be cast off when it is no longer viable or necessary (as is now happening all over)
Britannica has this definition:
“Although fascism is a notoriously difficult ideology to define, many 20th-century fascist movements shared several characteristics. First, these movements sourced their political strength from populations experiencing economic woes, real or imagined. Fascists tended to capitalize on these economic anxieties by shifting the blame away from government or market forces. Jews, immigrants, leftists, and other groups became useful scapegoats. Redirecting popular anger toward these people would, in theory, rid a country of its ailments.
To unify a country, fascist movements propagated extreme nationalism that often went hand in hand with militarism and racial purity. The prosperity of a nation depended on a unified polity that put the group’s welfare above the individual’s. A strong, vigilant military was considered necessary to defend these group interests. And for some fascists “the group” was defined not by territorial boundaries but by racial identity.”
It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to consider adding the British and American Empire to the list of fascist countries after WW2 and maybe the countries with royal families too. and their various colonies?
Perhaps Fascism is as I believe Marx suggested is simply what happens to end stage capitalists. (i’m not well read on Marx) Capitalism / extreme liberalism/ consumerism all end up dehumanising and degrading people.
if The British American Empire and the various Colonial royal families of Europe were (are) at the end stage of colonial capitalism this might be why the rise of fascism happened in so many countries at the same time in history. I was always curious about that. it was simply the only next move for feudal countries with a nice cosy veneer of parliamentary democracy to keep the hordes happy and quiet.
Looking at it this way takes it out of the realm of blaming it on psychopathic despots or “regimes” although they do exist, into more about the inevitable failure of any system that is only focused on having, owning, controlling and destroying. (regardless of whatever religious or political affiliation is used as a cover)

Posted by: K | Mar 6 2022 14:01 utc | 615

@c1ue #608
From what i can tell the cloud mass and how much light the particles absorb is the determining factor for how high it will rise.
From the second study i link to in my post #600 :
“Volcanic eruption clouds provide a well-observed analog for particle lifetimes and climate effects. Sulfate aerosols generated from gases injected into the stratosphere by volcanic eruptions cause global cooling due to the reflection of incoming solar radiation back to space, which has been observed numerous times and modeled successfully (Robock, 2000). Simulations of volcanic clouds including particle growth show that large volcanic eruptions, such as that of Mt. Pinatubo with 35 Tg of sulfate aerosols, produce clouds with lifetimes of about 1 year, as observed (Barnes & Hoffman, 1997; Deshler, 2008). However, numerical simulations suggest that larger eruptions, which are not well observed, will produce large particles with shorter lifetimes (English et al., 2013; Pinto et al., 1989). Volcanic aerosols are not transported as high as black carbon aerosols as they are only weakly absorptive and do not self-loft significantly (Robock, Oman, & Stenchikov, 2007). Wildfires pale in comparison to the Mt. Pinatubo cloud mass, but their aerosols can heat the air enough to be lofted 8 km vertically (Yu et al., 2019). An injection of 150 Tg of black carbon would be a far greater aerosol loading than wildfire contributions or any volcanic eruptions from the past 100 years (when masses can be reliably determined) but would be orders of magnitude smaller than injections of black carbon into the atmosphere 66 million years ago when an asteroid impact caused much of the biomass on Earth’s surface to burn, resulting in a mass extinction event (Bardeen et al., 2017; Toon et al., 2016). Volcanic eruptions and mass fires are both effective methods of injecting aerosols into the stratosphere, but the black carbon produced by nuclear mass fires, like what is simulated here, results in far more extreme climate effects per unit mass.”

Posted by: Marc | Mar 6 2022 14:03 utc | 616

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 13:16 utc | 603
Not that interested in wading through all that, so I’m just going to scan it and dismiss it. 🙂 Here’s the bottom line: Russia will win this handily, and nit-picking alleged “failures” and general “shit happens in war” isn’t going to change that situation. Many of the points were already addressed in my post and Clue’s. I see this post as some Chinese guy’s attempt to score points over the Russians for whatever reasons and boost the PLA as somehow superior – for which there is zero evidence since the PLA hasn’t done anything seriously except beat up some Tibetans and shoot some Vietnamese.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:05 utc | 617

Frankly it is hard for me to believe that is real
To me it more looks like a dead-pan joke Russians could made about ukros and their so sharp worshippers
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ca29d49e59a2adb0c875b9cb595c46f0e30149613251c3655f7047877695f76.jpg

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 6 2022 14:06 utc | 618

Posted by: K | Mar 6 2022 14:01 utc | 617
K Interesting discussion that i would like to follow up but I am falling asleep- way passed my bedtime. I will try to respond tomorrow if it is appropriate.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 14:14 utc | 619

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:29 utc | 576
There won’t be a “protracted insurgency.” As usual, the idiots in Washington are believing their own nonsense. Does anyone really think Russia hasn’t planned for any sort of resistance subsequent to this operation? Russia was in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria – they’ve learned about insurgency.
As for these Academi/DynCorp mercs, they’re going to get wasted quickly. They better hope they don’t run into the Chechens.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:15 utc | 620

Yarosh> and shoot all those “eagles” who are trying to parasitize
For the record: the correct translation here would be “to unseat” or “to remove”, not “to shoot”
Снимать indeed may mean “to shoot” but in a context of making photo and cinema, not in a context of guns

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 6 2022 14:16 utc | 621

S #142:

It’s not just Azov. Here’s “Vedmedi SS”, another Nazi detachment within Ukrainian Armed Forces: photos (Meine Ehre heißt Treue was the motto of SS).

And now we have a report from Vedmedi SS base: video. Note the SS graffiti at the end of the clip.

Posted by: S | Mar 6 2022 14:17 utc | 622

My outlook is that Russia will wrap up the whole eastern region of Novorussia, but will continue all the way to the west, to achieve 3 objectives;
1- to clear the Bandera Nazi-stronghold and catch/kill the remaining Ukropa fascists
2- put in place an ex-ukie military-dominated govt that will be intolerant to the Ukropas
3- Place Russian-bases within the Ukraine to stare-down the Poland, Romania, Nato
The delay is being caused by Ukropas holding human-shields, though in Maruiopol there seems to be the famed ‘Syrian strategy buses’ streaming in to move evacuees out. Link
https://t.me/intelslava/21642
The strangleholds will be tightened further, with recon & smaller hunter-groups identifying, attacking and eliminating the isolated positions. Overally, ‘de-militarisation’ continues with airports, bases,convoys, positions being ruthlessly eliminated.
This is goodbye for Zee and compatriots, a new govt will be formed from mainly the military and pro-Russia groupings.

Posted by: Recon404 | Mar 6 2022 14:18 utc | 623

@Marc | Mar 6 2022 12:57 utc | 600

“the global average surface temperature drops between 1.25° and 6.5°C over several years for our scenario. These perturbations reach their peak about 3 years after the conflict and are near the peak value for about 4 years. It takes more than a decade for temperatures and precipitation to return to normal. The Last Glacial Maximum, 20,000 years ago, had a global temperature decline of about 3° to 8°C”

Well, the last time we had something like that happen was 13900 years ago during the Younger Dryas Cooling Event. A temperature drop of 15°C happened virtually overnight and lasted 1200 years. The cause was the comet fragment that hit the 3000m thick Laurentide Ice sheet in North America (present day Michigan), sending huge kilometer sized ice boulders into ballistic orbits in all directions, killing the megafauna in North America and causing the creation of the Carolina Bays . The ballistic orbits had apogees 100-150km above the surface and flight times to the US east coast were 6-9 minutes. This means the orbits were mostly above the atmosphere leaving large amounts of ice crystals in earth orbit, blocking the Sun and causing the catastrophic temperature decline on the surface until the sun was able to dissipate the ice and water in earth orbit after 1200 years.
I don’t think the danger of nuclear winter on a similar scale is the problem we are facing today. The danger of nuclear bombs is not the huge bombs, because no-one will use them. The real danger is from miniature nuclear weapons that do exist and are much more tempting to use. I would claim such weapons have already been used several times.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 14:19 utc | 624

@Marc #600
Not credible in the least.
The oil well fires set by Saddam reduced local temperatures by 5-6 degrees, but all that ash and soot rained out even in the dry Middle East in under a week. Sagan predicted a mini-nuclear winter from this incident but was unequivocably wrong.
The generally accepted height to which ash must be raised in order to stay in the atmosphere long term is 70K meters.
The likelihood that any number of 250 kt and under weapons would raise enough ash and soot above 70K height, into the stratosphere, is zero.
Pinatubo – a VEI 6 strength volcano – released 70 megatons of energy in a single (geographic scale) spot. It raised ash up to 28 miles in the air. This did have some impact on temperatures but it was short lived – ~1 year with another year of greatly reduced impact.
70 megatons in 1 spot is vastly different than the total of 25 maximum megatons (250 x 100 kt) in the India/Pakistan scenario. There is no possibility of 100 kt weapons, spread out over an entire subcontinent, achieving this.
Nor is Pinatubo the only example. Russia detonated a 50 megaton bomb: the in 1961. Its nuclear mushroom cloud went to 70 km. There was probably minimal ash because it was detonated at 13K altitude – but there definitely was plenty of smoke.
All studies based on simulations have to be calibrated vs reality.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:19 utc | 625

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:18 utc | 572
“Politico quoted four unnamed US officials as saying that Washington may fill the gap in Poland’s Air Force if it decides to give its used MiG-29s to Kiev. The Wall Street Journal reported that the US was considering giving Poland F-16 jet fighters if it transfers some of its old aircraft to Ukraine.””
I’ve commented on that. This is the dumbest idea they’ve come up with yet, and I expect Poland to tell the US to go scratch their ass. As someone else noted, what happens when Washington wants Poland to pay for those F-16s?
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 11:18 utc | 573
Agreed. I originally thought Russia wouldn’t take Galicia, but now I see they have to if they want to eliminate the problem. If the Nazis run to Poland, well, that doesn’t matter as long as they have no influence in Ukraine politics. I’ve laid out how this can be prevented.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:20 utc | 626

Posted by: Recon404 | Mar 6 2022 14:18 utc | 625
Agreed. The scenario you outline agrees with mine and frankly is the only logical course Russia can pursue.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:25 utc | 627

@BM #603
I am certain there are many smart, dedicated people in the PLA.
I am equally certain that they have NEVER fought any significant scale of conflict against a 1st line opponent, much less a superior technology opponent, since the Korean conflict in the 1950s. That’s a long, long, long time.
As such, it is difficult to believe that the clearly academic Chinese military experience will prove out in the harsh reality of actual combat – and why I would take any assessments from Chinese observers with veritable mountains of salt.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:25 utc | 628

@Lurk #606
Please expand on your statement.
Is the existence of the corporation a problem because of longevity?
Because of extraordinary treatment under the law?
Because of other factors?

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:27 utc | 629

@ c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:19 utc | 627
See my post 618. I think its a misconception that the Thermonuclear Blast has to lift the soot. It’s the huge fires enveloping whole Citys due to Airblasts and then the self lifting effect.
We dont have real life data on this for quiet obvious reasons and that Sagan was wrong back then with some assumptions and Atmospheric Models running on computers that would propably pale in comparison to your phone is not a very strong argument.

Posted by: Marc | Mar 6 2022 14:33 utc | 630

@c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:23 utc | 608

It is theorized that a VEI8 strength eruption could get ash to 66K height but only Tambora *might* have been VEI8 – and the impacts of Tambora on world climate are still considered unverified by the consensus.
There was certainly talk about Pinatubo (VEI 6) – they proved groundless.

The Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai eruption 15 January 2022 was VEI 4 (6 Megaton TNT) and created a 58K height eruption plume, into the Mesosphere.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 14:34 utc | 631

@Marc #632
You keep repeating without actually comprehending the base point.
The oil well fires set by Saddam had local weather effects but failed to raise soot/ash to sufficient height to last.
That height is estimated at 70K meters.
If the oil well fires – which did lower local temperatures 5+ degrees C – didn’t raise to sufficient height, why exactly would ash/soot from fires caused kiloton weapons do differently?
Nor is the 70K meter height proven itself.
It could be much higher although we know from real world evidence it isn’t much lower.
Pinatubo raised ash multiple double digit miles in height but it was a truly enormous explosion – 40% more energy than the largest bomb ever constructed by humans.
A 100 kiloton bomb is, in comparison, a pinprick: 0.2% and 0.14% of Tsar Bomba and Pinatubo, respectively.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:39 utc | 632

@Norwegian #633
So we’re already in Nuclear Winter? 🙂

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:41 utc | 633

c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:59 utc | 616
Sure, that works but that just gives you the info that a poster should provide as a matter of course – or courtesy.
It takes a number of clicks often changing pages back and forth rather than just scrolling to the referenced post.
If someone has the time to respond to another they have the time to do a simple copy/paste.
It’s a respect issue, imho.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 6 2022 14:45 utc | 634

@c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:39 utc | 634
Because the Fires where not big enough?!
When i have time i will read up on the links in the studys the to check what exactly the assumptions for this is but my understanding is that the large fires create a chimney effect and then the self lifting due to sunlight absorption of the particles which heats the sorrounding air does the rest. It makes sense to me that this effect is somewhat proportional to the mass of the cloud.
Just for comparison the Kuwaiti Oil fires produced an estimated mass of 3600 tons of soot a day. The Coupe et al Study assumes 150 Terra Gramm for a Nuclear War between US and RUS and 16-36 Tg between India and Pakistan which is 150 and 16-36 Million Tons respectively if my Math is correct 😉

Posted by: Marc | Mar 6 2022 14:56 utc | 635

@waynorinorway #636
If you are really concerned about clicks – then you should advocate the inclusion of reference text from posts in the response post using the blockquote setup.
That removes all dependencies and extra required clicks.
It also removes ambiguity as to what responses are directed at.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 15:01 utc | 636

@Marc #637
Please do read up and report.
From my part – I am curious to see if there is any factual basis behind the assertions in the papers.
In particular, whether there are any circumstances where a normal fire will cause a plume to penetrate into at least 70K meters into the atmosphere.
We have clearly established that volcanoes can do so, but these are megaton events in a single spot.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 15:05 utc | 637

@c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:27 utc | 631
Because it obfuscates personal responsibility in all kinds of ways. BTW this not only applies to corporations, but equally to states. Responsibility for any action should utimately rest with the actual actor. No individual can reasonably delegate personal responsibility for their actions to an non-personal abstract entity. Allowing that is the rot in human society.
Also, I consider claims of ownership as an act. Property as a legalistic absolute is a monstruous miscontruct. Without social agreement on each and every property claim, such claims are null and void. Billionairs cannot not exist without masses of people hypnotized into uncritically believing their claims of wealth.
You probably wildly disagree with me on this topic, but such is as I see things. Back to the golden rule, instead of the rule of gold.

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 15:10 utc | 638

@c1ue | Mar 6 2022 14:41 utc | 635

So we’re already in Nuclear Winter? 🙂

Empirical evidence suggests the answer is no 🙂 And as some should know, empirical evidence trumps hypotheses and computer models.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 15:14 utc | 639

@ c1ue | Mar 6 2022 15:05 utc | 639
Yeah i get your point. For me it comes down to this: The Risk that something causes the of total collapse of Human Civilisation doesnt have to be high in order for me to treat it as a near certanty. You might be right about it but dou you want to risk being wrong?

Posted by: Marc | Mar 6 2022 15:14 utc | 640

“Australian Defense Minister Peter Dutton refused to rule out arming Taiwan against China in the same way that the West has armed Ukraine against Russia, claiming Australia would do whatever it can to “deter China from acts of aggression.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:06 utc | 569
living here in Oz it seems to me that politicians here from local to Federal are all simply on the take and the main agenda is making money and principally via privatisation at all levels. We don’t even own our major banks anymore, or our water resources, or our minerals, telecommunications (mostly) Airports, Hospitals and health care in general is being privatised and wrecked, did I miss anything? We suppress freedom of speech, persecute journalists and whistleblowers, the favourite method du jour is now the threat of legal action against independent journalists, another charming facet of our British neo Colonial capitalist system that can bankrupt you if you lose your case.
We have just had a decade long debacle of throwing out our copper wire telephone system and replacing it with wireless internet. So now we don’t have landline phones any more. All fine and dandy unless the power is out, or the internet is down or as is happening right now we have massive flooding over a wide area and many transmission towers are damaged. So thousands of people have no phones or internet. In the past even with floods and fires the old copper wire network was very reliable in times of crisis.
This kind of decision making happens across the board and I can’t excuse it with well intentioned stupidity, nobody is this stupid. I think it is a deliberate inhumane agenda to control and subvert the community. And it has been working a treat for a very long time.
No matter the rhetoric or the relative depravity or congeniality of any politician individually, Dutton being one of the most obnoxious, the main game is keeping the public in fear and ignorance while they enrich themselves and their associates, sell off our assets to the highest bidder and give the US Military Industrial complex more bases, more money more power with every passing year. It seems irrelevant which party is in power just like other western democracies, and we are tied at the hip to the US via the military alliance.
For me the covid “response” took it to a whole new level that definitely has me using the word fascist about my government more and more frequently.
As you can imagine this does not go down well in my social circle 🙂 Not many of my friends think we lost any freedoms during covid. There are genuine large anti mandate protests but they were organised and hijacked by the Christian Right (Hillsong Church an American scam) unbeknownst to most of the participants I expect, and these people behind the facade of human rights are war mongering white supremacists (IMO). They are presenting as an alternative to the current political parties, but they are just another part of the team.
In summary our country is just like the US and UK: the front people appear stupid and gross, and probably are, but they aren’t the ones making the decisions. They are more and more obviously reading from a script and following orders. I don’t think this is new at all, its just that they aren’t bothering to cover it up anymore. I do feel that Australia has always been an important pawn in the game, but I don’t have the bandwidth to go digging, its pretty self evident. BTW Marxism / Leninism was suppressed and expunged from Australia in the early part of the 20th C. well before WW2, as in the US Communism and Socialism are dirty words.
I confess it feels weird and ungrateful to be saying such things about our “lucky country” because indeed we still have a far better safety net than many countries in the world. And we have fresh air and sunshine and no wars so far except the first brutal one. And don’t get me wrong I am grateful every day. However none of this is sustainable and its becoming so surreal given what is happening all over the world. I am grateful for this space to speak openly, at the end of the day what matters to me is human community and spiritual connection, I get the feeling that is important in one way or another to most on this blog. I don’t drink so I can’t be a barfly but I appreciate the company here.

Posted by: K | Mar 6 2022 15:20 utc | 641

More civilians have been killed by American bombing in Laos in the last 10 years than in the Ukraine conflict.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 15:35 utc | 642

This website is filled to the brim with retards

Posted by: Y | Mar 6 2022 15:46 utc | 643

Posted by: K | Mar 6 2022 15:20 utc | 643
Best wishes, K. We need our freedoms back. That’s the priority. With that we can move forward in peaceful times. Hopefully more will be speaking out just as you have done here. Thanks.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 6 2022 15:49 utc | 644

Long live Ukraine!
Slava Ukrainy!
Putin will pay for his crimes

Posted by: Pwillfall | Mar 6 2022 15:50 utc | 645

The media are covering anti-war demonstrations. Not the demonstrations against our wars, of course.
This is getting serious. The Pope has sent two Cardinals.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 16:08 utc | 646

More civilians have been killed by American bombing in Laos in the last 10 years than in the Ukraine conflict.
Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 15:35 utc | 644

I’m guessing you’re referring to UXO left from the bombing?

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 16:24 utc | 647

“…one could argue that representative democracy is obsolete, and should be replaced by direct participation of citizens in decision making, not just in “elections”. But what do I know.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 9:19 utc | 536
There’s nothing wrong with the old system of paper ballots, handcounted in the region in which they were voted on, stored under lock and key in that same region so that they can be checked for discrepancies, the numbers then forwarded electronically to a central location. The citizenry has never obsessed over immediacy – that is all the media’s doing. Clamp down on money’s spent electorally, no special interests allowed, and it all works as it should. It’s not nuclear physics. I’m with you though; parties are toxic. We don’t need them. They have ruined US democracy.
Voters can get information online from candidate speeches, the way they used to do it on soap boxes back in the day. Look at Putin’s speeches, candidates, for lessons in formulating those. And little old ladies like me, those that are left, will love being the vote counters, just provide us a good lunch.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 6 2022 16:26 utc | 648

malenkov | Mar 6 2022 16:24 utc | 649
Yeah. I wonder where they are in the queue for refugee status in the West. And how the ICC investigation is going.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 16:37 utc | 649

psychohistorian 425
It’s not going to be a bipolar world it’s going to be multipolar world. A bipolar world wouldn’t be less destructive post- Limits to Growth than the very recently deceased unified, Global world, it would be more destructive, because there would be so many conflict borders between nuclear powers: the world wouldn’t just get split in half and each half stays on their side of the iron curtain. You’d need fifty curtains for this one. And quite a few of those curtains would completely enclose a country.
How does that work? It doesn’t work.
What you think you want isn’t a solution, it’s a further deterioration of stability. Yet you want it purely because you hate the Zionist empire so much. (We all do.) You just want it to be diminished because you can’t envision it reinventing itself out of necessity. Yet the USSR collapsed and became a Russian version of the US out of necessity.
That’s not a mature stance. You hate the Zionist empire so much that you invent an idealized counterbalance in your mind. That’s what most people do. You, Pepe, numbskull Saker, karlof1, and Michael Hudson the greatest living English language economic historian.
Meet the new empire, same as the old empire.
Bipolar – yeah that sounds REAL healthy. China and Russia jacking each other of by buying each other’s bonds IS imperialism at work; it is effectively joining currencies, and it is usurious Old Testament Capitalism. In a multipolar, National Socialist world order, that will be illegal. Mark my words. Trade will be allowed, but not imperialism, because imperialism is cheating, and cheating breeds war. The Elite realize that multipolarity is the only way to keep humanity from destroying itself as industrialism collapses.
Multipolar – also known as the decentralized system of nation states. The elite are going to force national treasuries onto the world’s countries so that empire is no longer an option. No country will be exempt.
Will they sneak coerced trading relationships in the back door at the beginning? They already are. And there will be more becoming obvious and some that we’ll never know about because the free flow if internet information at some point will be a shadow of it’s former self.

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 16:38 utc | 650

Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 9:52 utc | 549, using this format seems cumbersome at first, but it soon becomes habitual – I like it because it tells me which part of the thread to go back to while reading along. Then, I try to leave a short (inspirational?) bit when I finish for the day — to find my way back for future reference. So many good posts here, and thanks for doing the vaccuming, b!

Posted by: juliania | Mar 6 2022 16:39 utc | 651

juliania 653
agree. nested comment sections are the dumbest idea since fences.

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 16:45 utc | 652

Milos | Mar 6 2022 11:27 utc | 575, thank you. A worthy day of remembrance.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 6 2022 16:54 utc | 653

@Lurk #640
I understand your point, but I still don’t understand how abolition addresses the problem (in the case of corporations) or doesn’t address the problem (you can’t abolish The State).
My view is that the problem is both operational and strategic.
The strategic problem is that corporations amass wealth and power; this wealth and power will be used to further narrow interests.
The operational problem is that corporations are being held to different enforcement standards than people. Why aren’t corporations “jailable”? Why can’t corporations be executed for treason? If corporations want to be people, they should get the penalties as well as the benefits.
And when we start talking about nation-states – the reversion to reward/punishment returns but only based on ideology. So yet again we have an operational problem: how does justice get decided and meted out?
I guarantee that abolition is not the answer – it just frees the field for more misbehavior by corporations and nation-states.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 17:02 utc | 654

@Marc #642
Ah yes, I was awaiting the deployment of the Precautionary Principle.
The problem is: what is the priority? What is the actual risk vs. the cost to mitigate/avoid?
Human proliferation is absolutely a risk – and underlies pretty much all of the others. Why isn’t this being addressed first since it is the real problem?
As Rybakov said: “Death solves all problems- no man, no problem”
Who decides what is the appropriate level of humanity in existence?
Who decides the ones who live and whose lines continue, and who dies and their legacies die out?
Who enforces the decisions?
One of my biggest objections to climate science nonsense is its insistence on intrusion into policy, based on narrow views, much as why I objected to the early COVID policies on lockdowns and later COVID policies on vaccines – equally based on very narrow views.
So thank you, but I prefer facts and discussions and widespread input as compared to narrow technocratic views which have frequently been proven to be both wrong and ideological.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 17:09 utc | 655

Yeah. I wonder where they are in the queue for refugee status in the West. And how the ICC investigation is going.
Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 16:37 utc | 651

That boat sailed ca. 1976. But no matter; my impression from repeated visits, family, etc. is that the vast majority is happy to stay in Laos. That includes an increasing majority of Hmong.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 17:18 utc | 656

@ juliania | Mar 6 2022 16:26 utc | 650
I am not talking about election systems, that is a different issue. I am talking about representatives not representing those who elected them, but representing someone else. When that happens, the representative democracy system is dead, with or without paper ballots.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 17:19 utc | 657

You say “When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine.”
I think this is not helping the situation to develop positively. The local pro-russians or Russian ethnics in the East and the South of Ukraine are precisely fearing a potential withdrawal of the Russian army after the “special operation” is achieved. The Kremlin should announce clearly that the East and South of Ukraine, will become Malorossia once the operation will be completed, and that the Russian army will remain to support the Malorossian popular militias as long as its needed. Indeed, it will be a confirmation of a long term occupation in regards to International law, but it will be a liberation for the local population. Like in Crimea, referendums can be set up to check and confirm the popularity of this approach.
Maintaining fog about the future, is becoming counterproductive and further stresses the local Russian ethnics and prorussians.

Posted by: Albertus | Mar 6 2022 17:28 utc | 658

Ukraine’s political peristalsis all goes by the wayside in an invasion.
Unless you’re Ukrainian like that ‘executed’ renegade “negotiator”. I wonder what he did wrong, and when? And who snuffed him?
Anything short of treason might be overlooked. Until later.

Posted by: Kevin Quinn | Mar 6 2022 17:31 utc | 659

@474 malenkov
Uh, fyi, you were replying to the troll. I never wrote that.
I’m not Juliet and Putin is not my Romeo…lol! I gotta hand it to my imposter…it’s very funny though. Gruff might beg to differ! He suspects I’m out to get Putin; but not in a good way.
The truth lies with me. 🤫
But, really, can’t you just be a little nice to me, even if you mistook me for someone else?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 17:32 utc | 660

Hi folks —
US “news” broadcasters today are claiming that the US gets “three to ten percent” of its oil from Russia.
I’ve noticed that folks posting here have consistently stated that the amount is ten percent.
That makes me think that US “news” are deliberately downplaying the number.
Can anyone here give a definitive answer as to which number(s) is / are correct?
Thanks

Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 6 2022 17:39 utc | 661

When govts support NAZIs what does that make them? Warmongers
“Say what you will about national socialism, at least it’s an ethos.”
please tip your bartender …mic drop.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 6 2022 17:53 utc | 662

@ Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2022 20:07 utc | 100
In both cases, the US waited until both empires were overextended. The Japanese were marking time in China, and Germany had already invaded Russia. Both were doomed, the Germans by attacking a nation they couldn’t beat, and the Japanese by the collapse of their supply line.
Despite the agitprop in the US MSM, the Russians in Ukraine aren’t being stopped by supply line collapse, nor are they battling a numerically superior foe. Nobody knows what the Russians are doing by holding when they could be advancing. It’s likely some long term plan.
It’s also confusing to try to ascribe rational motives to American government. The CIA seems to be doing what it does with no eye toward long term goals. It is, in any case, pretty much free. Chaos for the sake of chaos?

Posted by: jhill | Mar 6 2022 18:38 utc | 663

In late 2016/early 2017 the US, UK and Germany started training the whole Ukranian army bringing them up to NATO standards. During this time Germany was supposedly mediating the Minsk peace process.
Far-Right Group Made Its Home in Ukraine’s Major Western [ie NATO] Military Training Hub
My guess is that the training was all but complete just before Russia took action. If it hadn’t there would be nuke-ready Aegis Ashore systems (Zelensky – I want nukes) in place in rapid order with a 5 minute flight time to Moscow. That is an existential threat.

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Mar 6 2022 19:07 utc | 664

@c1ue | Mar 6 2022 17:02 utc | 656
Thank you for your kind and reasonable answer.

I understand your point, but I still don’t understand how abolition addresses the problem (in the case of corporations) or doesn’t address the problem (you can’t abolish The State).

Not abolish, but restructure fundamentally. Obviously it is impossible and nonsensical to try to abolish the large societal structures that embody and enable necessary human cooperation and coordination. My point is that structures must be created that allow for the elucidation, not obfuscation of individual responsibilities.

The strategic problem is that corporations amass wealth and power; this wealth and power will be used to further narrow interests.

If all wealth and power can only be personal wealth and power, subject to scrutiny at a personal level, noone can claim the lame excuse of “following orders”. If all forms of cooperation are consensual, there is no hiding of personal involvement.

The operational problem is that corporations are being held to different enforcement standards than people. Why aren’t corporations “jailable”? Why can’t corporations be executed for treason? If corporations want to be people, they should get the penalties as well as the benefits.

Exactly. This in itself is a humungous travesty of justice. And it is designed for that very purpose. The corporate owners evade all liability. In the most extreme case, some executive or operator is left standing without a seat when the music stops. A scapegoat for the noble purpose of public relations management.
Still, this is only a superficial mechanism, a distracting ornament of the larger cover up. The absense of personal responsibility is much more fundamental.

And when we start talking about nation-states – the reversion to reward/punishment returns but only based on ideology. So yet again we have an operational problem: how does justice get decided and meted out?

Here the solution is basically the same. Responsibility shall not be disappeared into abstractions. Individuals must be held to task, and if that fails to address the full depth of the problems, society – ie. every individual participant – owns the problem and the responsibility. You see where this is certainly contemporarily not a popular proposition. But it is logically inevitable.
BTW, much of so called justice is does not function to right what is wrong, it is there to break what is wrong. Woe to those who are falsely held to be wrong, they will be broken regardless of the truth. If justice cared for righting wrongs, many if not most miscarriages of justice would be discovered and righted along the process of “righting”. But “breaking” helps to obscure miscarriages of justice. This makes “justice” a powerful tool in the hands of the powerful and less scrupulous. There are many more reasons to fundamentally question so-called justice, but that is for another time, another installment.

I guarantee that abolition is not the answer – it just frees the field for more misbehavior by corporations and nation-states.

Again, I am not at all about abolition of responsibility. We need to restructure our social organizations, our societal bonds. Corporations, the state: in their current forms only serve to alienate us from eachother and ourselves. we need each other to survive.
Thank god I did not need to include the churches in my diatribe. Media seems to be taking its place though.

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 19:37 utc | 665

Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 19:47 utc | 85
You could probably be a more arrogant shithead if you tried…

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Mar 6 2022 20:12 utc | 666

That Rick Rubles troll…
he had polymorphic abilities, and was REALLY disruptive, to the point we couldn’t even know who was who anymore.
It was really off-putting. I couldn’t let that fucker win.
The best of us stayed concentrated.
On top of polymorphing, he reproduced like GNATS.
Circe distracted him with her womanly wiles, while one of our OWN polymorphs did an effective psionic attack.
Meanwhile I did a brainscan appraisal spell, and sized him up, preparing my own psionic attack.
Then unleashed it, which succeeded in disheartening him. Other barflies joined in to weaken him.
Then b broke that fucker’s magic, and banished him, probably back into his own dimension.
So personally I think me and Circe and our secret polymorph deserve a medal.
And everybody have a beer on me !

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 21:30 utc | 667

I greatly enjoy following Martynov, but find he is probably a bit over optimistic about Russian capabilities. Not that they don’t have them, but rather that their armed forces need to be applied *very* efficiently (which they certainly have been to date, given the relatively small size of the expeditionary force they have used to date in Ukr) They have done wonders with what they have, but NATO has also had eight years to prepare for this and I have no doubt they are providing Ukr with valuable operational intelligence, and this occasionally has let to Russian setbacks, and likely will continue to do so.
It seems to me that *the* most important area right now is the cauldron with the troops that were threatening the Donbass. If the Russians can bring to bear their TOS and heavy weaponry and smash the shit out of those Ukr plus their NATO advisors, that will finish things off. If the Russian + friends can take Mariupol/Kiev/Kharkov, that would work too but the hostage approach by the Ukr Nazis makes that difficult. Think Breslan on a huge scale.
As for Russia being in a hurry, it would be a HUGE mistake for Putin to sue for peace right now (unless things are really worse for Russia that appears and he must). NATO/Ukr has “shot their wad” so to speak – the Russians really need to see this all the way through, including taking Odessa, and (I wish I wish) turn Galicia in to Syria and have wave after wave of Ukr Galicians flood Poland as a reward for Poland’s stupidity in fomenting this crisis…
Quick observation on the Polish Soviet aircraft donations – I would worry that NATO wants to try out their F35’s to drum up some sales (fear not, the Israelis now claim they’ve used F35 to knock out Iranian drones, first airtoair win by the F35 they say!!), and now NATO/Ukr may try hiding F35 attacks behind fake or drones MiG29s, like the Azeris/Turks did in Nagorno-Karabahk, using radio controlled AN-2 biplanes (wasting those magnificent aircraft a true crime against humanity!)

Posted by: Simplicius | Mar 6 2022 23:14 utc | 668

Grayzone reported that the Far Rightists threatened Zelensky and threw him off his path to peace. Since they are both funded by Kolomoisky, don’t you think that was just theater, so that Zelensky and the militias can continue doing what Kolomoisky and others want them to do? After all, Zelensky is an actor, and apparently a highly paid one.

Posted by: alfabank | Mar 7 2022 0:22 utc | 669

@Simplicius 669 – the F-35 is THE most costly boondoggle that ever existed.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 7 2022 1:52 utc | 670

Also, there is a BIG difference between Poker and Chess.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 7 2022 1:56 utc | 671

@alfabank – EXACTLY. Zelensky put himself into that position. They started by investing in him, and gave him a TV show « servant of the people » which I watched on Netflix, before he became Ukraine president, knowing this was produced by the Oligarch Kolomoisky, to set up his guy as Ukraine President.
The premise of the TV show was that a History Teacher was tired of government corruption, and all his students (+viral) voted for him to be president of Ukraine. And then what a surprise, he became actual president. Complete coincidence.
Zelensky got a lucrative but risky acting gig. Hopefully he doesn’t have kids. He’s got a nice seaside house in Miami, if he can get there alive…

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 7 2022 2:06 utc | 672

Richard Steven Hack 619

the PLA hasn’t done anything seriously except beat up some Tibetans and shoot some Vietnamese.

I bet they do awful things in those ‘uighurs rape camps’ too ?
Hello b,
They’r really going after MOA these days, take care.

Posted by: denk | Mar 7 2022 2:55 utc | 673

Perhaps it’s more accurate to say that Russia is denazifying, demilitarizing and denuclearizing Ukraine.
I recall US MSM screaming about Russia “attacking” a nuke power plant
Of course that story was a lie! RUSSIA was RIGHT to secure it as there was enough material to make a dirty bomb.
I hope Russia is successful in getting rid of every Nazi in that state.
I would like to see you write about the sanctions applied to Russia and what the ramifications might be for Russia, US and EU.
It’s interesting that now the US is recognizing Venezuelan President Maduro and requested a meeting with him. To secure oil, perhaps?
The mind blowing hypocrisy of the US I hope Maduro sees right through them!

Posted by: Kay | Mar 7 2022 8:00 utc | 674

RUSSIANS ARE FIRING AT MILITARY INSTALLATIONS THAT ARE AMERICAN INSTALLED BIO-LABS
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/24/is-there-is-more-to-the-ukraine-russia-conflict/
Odessa,
Vinnytsia
Uzhgorod
Lviv (3)
Kiev (3)
Kherson,
Ternopil
near Crimea
Luhansk
Kharkiv
Mykolaiv
This Twitter Post was censored. Go to the site above to read all of the reasoning that was there in support of the above theory.
“Clandestine’s (@WarClandestine) twitter thread retrieved from Thread Reader App
1) HOLY SHIT! I think I may be onto something about Ukraine.
Zelensky said the Russians are firing at “military installations”. How broad is that term?
I am seeing speculation that could include US installed biolabs.
At first, I was like no way.
Then I started digging.”

Posted by: susetta | Mar 7 2022 8:22 utc | 675

@Featherless off topic but I’m not sure the two games are as different as I once thought. both games have been transformed by computers, and top players in both games spend a lot of time on computer analysis of various situations.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 7 2022 8:26 utc | 676

@featherless 674 If Zelensky was only playing at being beaten down by the Far Right, that puts the Grayzone report in the genre of whitewashing Zelensky just as the MSM are doing. Quite a bonus to find out that Kolomoisky owned or controlled Burisma–it’s all in the family! We might go out on a limb and say that Trump’s relationships with eastern oligarchs are less destructive to the welfare of ordinary people than Biden’s.

Posted by: alfabank | Mar 9 2022 0:09 utc | 677

Poll: 74% Of Americans Support Imposing A No-Fly Zone In Ukraine Even If It Means War
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2022/03/poll-74-of-americans-support-imposing.html
The author is appalled at how many Americans don’t understand what’s possible. He apparently has forgotten H. L. Mencken.

WNU Editor: This poll result is jaw-dropping. Do Americans really know what the consequences and ramifications will be if the U.S. tries to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine right now?!?!?!?
I thought I would never live to see the day when a majority of Americans would be this eager for war against a nuclear state that has already said in no uncertain terms that such a US intervention will mean war on a scale never before seen in human history.
This is a massive shift from a poll just 2 weeks ago …. Most Americans oppose major role in Russia-Ukraine conflict (The Hill).

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 9 2022 2:42 utc | 678