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March 5, 2022
Zelensky And The Fascists: “He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk”

Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism states:

Lambert and I both find this is the worst informational environment either of us have faced, orders of magnitude worse than the war in Iraq, …

and:

Dear patient readers,

Lambert and I, and many readers, agree that Ukraine has prompted the worst informational environment ever. We hope readers will collaborate in mitigating the fog of war – both real fog and stage fog – in comments. None of us need more cheerleading and link-free repetition of memes; there are platforms for that.

I ask readers and commentators here to live by the same standard. There are too many comments now for me to read and police. Please notify me via email if there are certain trolls or offenders who deserve to be excluded from this site.

Now back to Ukraine and the big question: Why is Russia doing this?

At the Grayzone Alexander Rubinstein and Max Blumenthal have published a piece about Zelensky's turn from the peacemaker he had promised to be before his election to an active supporter of the fascist 'ultranational' militia. They pin that turn to a frontline meeting between Zelensky and militia fighters in the fall of 2019:

In a face-to-face confrontation with militants from the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who had launched a campaign to sabotage the peace initiative called “No to Capitulation,” Zelensky encountered a wall of obstinacy. 

With appeals for disengagement from the frontlines firmly rejected, Zelensky melted downon camera. “I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons,” Zelensky implored the fighters.

Once video of the stormy confrontation spread across Ukrainian social media channels, Zelensky became the target of an angry backlash.

Andriy Biletsky, the proudly fascist Azov Battalion leader who once pledged to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen”, vowed to bring thousands of fighters to Zolote if Zelensky pressed any further. Meanwhile, a parliamentarian from the party of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko openly fantasized about Zelensky being blown to bits by a militant’s grenade.

Though Zelensky achieved a minor disengagement, the neo-Nazi paramilitaries escalated their “No Capitulation” campaign. And within months, fighting began to heat up again in Zolote, sparking a new cycle of violations of the Minsk Agreement.

By this point, Azov had been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and its street vigilante wing, known as the National Corps, was deployed across the country under the watch of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, and alongside the National Police. In December 2021, Zelensky would be seen delivering a “Hero of Ukraine” award to a leader of the fascistic Right Sector in a ceremony in Ukraine’s parliament.

That is all correct. But let me point out that death threats from the fascists to Zelensky were already made much earlier.

On May 27 2019, a week after Zelensky's inauguration as president, the Ukrainian internet news site Obozrevatel published a long interview with Dmytro Anatoliyovych Yarosh, a co-founder of the Right Sector who was then the commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army. Yarosh and others like him have had little support when they tried to get elected to parliament but they, as demonstrated during Maidan, have the guns and the will to use them.

I now get an 'access denied' when I try to fetch the original interview but found a copy at archive.org.

The headline of the interview carries his main message (machine translations):

Yarosh: if Zelensky betrays Ukraine, he will lose not his position, but his life


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As the interview is quite long I will concentrate on two parts. Zelensky had promised peace and to implement the Minsk agreement. Here is Yarosh's thought about Minsk:

Interviewer: What do you mean?

Yarosh: The Minsk format – and I talk about this all the time – is an opportunity to play for time, arm the Armed Forces, switch to the best world standards in the system of national security and defense. This is an opportunity for maneuver. But no more. The implementation of the Minsk agreements is the death of our state. They are not worth a drop of blood of the guys and girls, men and women who died in this war. Not a drop.

We were better prepared during this diplomatic game for a possible large-scale Russian invasion.

I: Do you think it's time to abandon "Minsk"?

Y: Undoubtedly.

I: But Zelensky was told immediately after the elections that he had no alternatives.

Y: "They told Zelensky" … Did Zelensky say anything at all?

I: Not.

Y: And it's scary. The Supreme Commander, who says nothing at all. It's kind of empty. And it's very strange.

I: Waiting for what the newly elected president will say?

Y: Not only. Let's fight and get ready. We are waiting for what he will say and, most importantly, how he will act. "By their fruits you will know them," says Scripture. "Fruits" we will see somewhere in the fall. Zelensky is an inexperienced politician. And the retinue makes the king. And we already see who is there, "in the retinue", is beginning to appear. It does not add optimism. Because Zelensky promised his voters (I was not Zelensky's voter) that he would break the oligarchic system. But already from the first appointments, we see that the oligarchic system continues to live and flourish. And, obviously, it will continue to be so. Just the streams will be transferred.

To the 'ultranationalists' in the Ukraine the Minsk agreement was always just a fig-leaf to have time for rearming. In 2019, five years after Minsk, they already felt capable and ready to again attack and overwhelm the Donbas rebels.

Yarosh's remark about Zelensky and the oligarchs is not wrong. The streams of money sucked from Ukrainians and foreign donors were redirected under Zelensky to benefit those oligarchs, most prominently Igor Kolomoyskyy, who had supported him.

The interviewer then asks Yarosh about his relation to Kolomoyskyy who had called the conflict with Donbas a civil war. Yarosh does not mind Kolomoyskyy but rejects the 'civil war' claim:

Yarosh: [P]erhaps, something is pushing him to make such statements. Apparently, some kind of business interest.

This is the main danger of the oligarchy, as for me. They, the oligarchs, are talented people, because without talent it is impossible to build such businesses and earn billions. But the danger of the oligarchs is that they are compradors. They don't give a damn about the Motherland. They need money. Profit turns a blind eye to everything. And then you can negotiate with Russia on any terms.

And that is why Zelensky is very dangerous for us Ukrainians. I feel it.

Interviewer: What is the danger?

Y: His statements about peace at any cost are dangerous for us. Vladimir simply does not know the price of this world. He may have been with concerts close to the front. But when my boys were torn apart by Russian shells into small pieces and then these pieces had to be collected and sent to their mothers, the price somehow looks completely different.

I: Are you trying to meet him now?

Y: Yes. I have already made a couple of messages, but he is silent. Perhaps they didn't reach him. He is a busy man…

But even if this meeting does not happen, it's okay. He just needs to understand one truth: Ukrainians cannot be humiliated. Ukrainians, after seven hundred years of colonial slavery, may not yet have fully learned how to build a state. But we learned how to make an uprising very well and remove all those "eagles" who are trying to parasitize on the sweat and blood of Ukrainians. Zelensky said in his inaugural speech that he was ready to lose ratings, popularity, position… No, he would lose his life. He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk – if he betrays Ukraine and those people who died in the Revolution and the War.


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Khreshchatyk is the main street of Kiev. The above and other threats to Zelensky certainly helped to convert him from peacemaker to warmonger and friend of the various 'ultranational' militia formations.

In spring 2021 Zelensky announced that the Ukraine would retake Crimea by force. Russia then held large military maneuvers and Zelensky backed down. By November 2021 the Ukraine again made noise and said it would be retaking Donbas by force. Russia again held military maneuvers as a show of force but this time the situation deteriorated further.

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.


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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR*:

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

One of the package decision Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

On February 22 Russia recognized the Donbas republics as independent states. On February 24 Russian troops crossed the borders into the Ukraine.

The aim set for the Russian military is to de-militarize the Ukraine and to de-nazify it.

The first is easy to understand. The Russian military will simple destroy or disable all heavy weapons the Ukraine has.

The second aim requires more explanation than the above interview with Dmytro Yarosh.

As the Grayzone notes:

In November 2021, one of Ukraine’s most prominent ultra-nationalist militiamen, Dmytro Yarosh, announced that he had been appointed as an advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yarosh is an avowed follower of the Nazi collaborator Bandera who led Right Sector from 2013 to 2015, vowing to lead the “de-Russification” of Ukraine.

The threats from the fascists make it impossible for any Ukrainian politician to implement a sane policy that would lead to peace in the country.

The fascists in Ukraine are relatively few. But they have the guns and they will kill anyone who opposes them and their aims. They have been put into important state positions. (Besides that oligarchs like Kolomoyskyy pay and use them for their own purposes.)

The problem is that such ideological groups, once firmly established, tend to grow. The Right Sector is holding 'patriotic' summer camps for young Ukrainians and the Ukrainian state is financing those. They are successful and Ukrainian youths is looking up to them.

These developments are what Russia is afraid off. As Patrick Armstrong wrote at the start of the current intervention:

What [Putin] is talking about is what the Soviet Union tried to do from 1933 onwards: namely to stop Hitler before he got started. This time Russia is able to do it by itself. In other words, Putin feels that he is making a pre-emptive attack to stop June 1941. This is very serious indeed and indicates that the Russians are going to keep going until they feel that they can safely stop.

The Russian military will destroy the militia formations like the Right Sector and the Azov battalion which is currently holding the people of Mariupol as hostages. It will try to get all their leaders – dead or alive.

When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine.

Being freed from powerful fascists will enable Ukrainian politicians to re-institute sane policies.

That's the plan.

But will it work?

That is probably the wrong question. One should ask to what degree and for how long will it work.

After Ukraine's independence it took the 'ultranationalists' 22 years, and the help of the CIA, to come to power. Once eliminated they may claw back, but it will take them some time. The Ukraine will be busy with reviving its economy. It will have little money to spend on arms.  

Thirty years later Russia may see a repeat of the confrontation. But 30 years are quite a long time.


* Ukraine could not break the permissive action link security codes of those nuclear weapons so it actually gave up nothing.

Comments

Let me say something to the trolls who mucked up this thread: you are not winning. Your desperation is palpable. You are flailing in the throes of defeat; lashing out at us of little significance beside media giants on your side is a futile waste of time. You cannot force us to your side.
You are alienating everyone who reads these threads. Let us discuss and enjoy what we love to do: expression.
You cannot fight destiny. If it weren’t Putin; it would be someone else. There is a correction coming, and the more you fight and resist it, the worst it will be for everyone.
Why are you so insecure when you’re winning 90% of the propaganda war? Let everyone have their say! Why are you trying to silence us? We’re not a threat to your cause here in this room in a corner of the web.
Is it because you know and sense that despite almost the entire world with you, the Empire on your side; almost everyone…You will lose.
Wrecking this thread is a futile exercise in denial. You had your kick; now get lost and let us be.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 7:23 utc | 501

Are the trolls really gone?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 7:24 utc | 502

probably, for the moment.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 6 2022 7:27 utc | 503

@Circe – Your Warrioress spirit scared them away… with a little help from b.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 7:34 utc | 504

the Bolton interview is very interesting, it feels like a discussion between two adults who have some respect for each other. Bolton is capable of diplomacy and humour?!
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/551267-bolton-russian-invasion-imperial-conquest
https://soundcloud.com/rttv/going-underground-bolton-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-a-war-of-imperial-conquest-by-putin?in=rttv/sets/going-underground-2
and what the actual fuck with feeding the troll? you guys are normally much better at handling them! this one isn’t even remotely sophisticated and could easily be a bored teenager

Posted by: Rae | Mar 6 2022 7:36 utc | 505

Posted by: Cabe | Mar 5 2022 22:18 utc | 187
All your points are valid. My point is that from the point of view of the Western empire, the destruction of the petrodollar is less preferable to nuclear war. As to what would exactly happen in case of a total nuclear war, there’s only one way to find out. However, it’ doesn’t seem likely that the human race would go extinct. The civilization as we know it most certainly would.

Posted by: HB | Mar 6 2022 7:36 utc | 506

It’s like I stated: they’re flailing. It’s like they’re in terminal delirium. Defeat is near.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 7:40 utc | 507

Please use the date/time when referencing other posts, DAMMIT!!!
Post numbers are useless after b sweeps out the trash.
Featherless you’re the worst offender by far, at least lately, but others, even ‘regulars’, are negligent too.
And btw, people who think the rest of us can recognize them by their style, or who think everyone is following a
conversation they may be having with others so don’t bother referencing, are narcissistic.
There’s enough problem here with trolls. Please respect others and observe proper decorum (or find another bar).

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 6 2022 7:43 utc | 508

@Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 6:48 utc | 499 : You’re very right. Not a madman in the least, but Putin does have a heavy Scorpionic 12th House. Those, who know of such things, know never, ever to cross such an individual.
By way of introduction, I’ve not posted here before, and haven’t been following the conversations of late; got hung up on “Where in the World is Zelensky in Lvov, Poland, or Lviv, Ukraine?” one of which he’s supposedly bunkered down, according to Sputnik News (“Zelensky has fled Kiev for Lvov…,” 27 Feb 22). You see, Lviv is spelled “Lvov” in Russian, says Wiki.
Then our ‘Diplomacy’ house game players have been arguing about “just-who-are-the-players-anyway?” in the 2013–present Russo-Ukrainian Crisis/War. (We began with seven players initially, the usual number of suspects in this board/online game.) No resolution yet; we’re still arguing.
And if that wasn’t enough on the table, I came across a book by Shimon Redlich (2002) about the relationship between Poles, Jews, and Ukrainians during 1919–1945. Think it may add to understanding what’s been happening in the last ten years with Putin and the rest.
I may contribute to these conversations once I get up to some semblance of knowledge on the situation. Until then, I’ll lurk here as unobtrusively as possible.

Posted by: Ret. Ed. | Mar 6 2022 7:45 utc | 509

Another Chinese Military observer’s comments on Russia Operation. China is monitoring the process very closely and evaluate if any flaws in her Taiwan Operation plan.
1. He doesn’t understand why Russia is not using shock-awe tactics and the operation plan is very risky which depends on the assumption that Ukraine will yield quickly but it turned out the assumption is not correct.
2. The longer the Russian got trapped in this, the higher chances that NATO will intervene.
3. It seems that Russian air force hold great restrain in doing CAS for ground troops which is against USSR doctrine. His assumption is that air force is reserved for large scale NATO intervention.
4. Russian’s ECM is abysmal, all communication means should be cut off in day 1. Since west cut off major media channel from Russia. Moscow’s side of view is not delivered whereas smartphone videos from Ukraine is prevailing on the internet, which boosted Ukraine’s morale. Also, ECM is great to destroy enemy’s morale. Recent ECM practice of PLC air force circulating near Taiwan airspace demonstrated PLA can jam Taiwan flight control radar and Taiwan interceptor needs to fly on visual. (Amateur radio operators from both mainland and Taiwan hears Taiwan flight control personnel screaming in unencrypted on commercial channel) The commentator said China will do 24hr live show during Taiwan operation on the internet.
5. Russia’s UAVs are only able to provide recon info to nearby troops. China is equipped with battle info management system would ensure whenever enemy is detected, they will be eliminated soon. China export similar airspace management system (I believe it is a subsystem of PLA current system, PLA system also incorporated digitalized artillery, guided rockets and surface to surface missiles and can be accessed to platoon level so platoon can call in artillery support) during Congo inflict. All of this effort was trying to minimize casualty during Taiwan operation.
6. China helped Russia at least in avionics and military grade chips. (Chinese military grade chips are banned long ago by US and thus it is fully from domestic technology)
7. He mentioned China will work as “Democratic Arsenal” for Russia if needed. However I have no detailed information about this.
8. Trade between Russia and China and India will keep Russia connected in global economy. In the worst case, they still can do barter trade or CIPS system. China is doing barter trade with Iran and could care less of US sanction.

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 7:46 utc | 510

Report from ASB Military News that all gas deliveries from the Yamal pipeline to Germany have been cut off.

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 6 2022 7:47 utc | 511

@514 Featherless
LOL!
@515 Rae
Are you kidding? It was like fending off a swarm of gnats!
Thanks for the link btw; I was waiting for circumspect to post it.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 7:49 utc | 512

@wayno – I always use @the person’s name, so it’s pretty clear whom I’m talking to, whenever it’s to a recent comment. When it’s to a comment much earlier, then I add the time. The only time I didn’t do that (as far as I know) was once, a specific short comment that was meant to be a discrete answer to someone, which I wanted to keep on the down low. So I disagree with your assessment. And piss off.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 7:55 utc | 513

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 7:46 utc | 520
Thanks, HZ, for a Chinese perspective. My guess as to why Russia is doing the military operation this way is because the political goals demand careful and compassionate treatment of the Ukranian population as much as possible.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 6 2022 8:02 utc | 514

HZ | Mar 6 2022 7:46 utc | 520
What world are you living on.I guess a higher pay grade world than the recent clown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 8:04 utc | 515

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 7:04 utc | 505
China is gradually decreasing its dollar reserve since Trump. I doubt Japan will follow suit since our Chinese people always joking about Japan being US’s step son. Countries with independent diplomatic policy is less than 5.

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 8:04 utc | 516

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 6 2022 7:43 utc | 518
Okay, okay, give us a break. It was an exceptional troll attack. Narcissist? I was just hoping people recognized the difference between my comments and the imposter troll’s comments copying my handle so they wouldn’t attack me for something offensive I never wrote.
My bad; I’m done.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 8:06 utc | 517

Posted by: Boo | Mar 6 2022 8:02 utc | 525
I agree with your comments and that is what the commentator think as well.

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 8:08 utc | 518

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 8:04 utc | 526
I don’t quite follow you, i am just a translator.

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 8:09 utc | 519

This is a throwaway comment just to relate that so many opinion leaders across the viewpoint spectrum,some who I used to respect, have shown themselves to be liberals of the most derogatory form.
They are radicalizing me further and I hope their inane bloviating has the same effect on others.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 8:17 utc | 520

Peter AU 1 @ 393
“looks like b will have to set up up a permanent troll patrol for these interesting times. Match email addys to usernames.”
Yes, this seems a simple way to prevent someone from stealing monikers. I was a little surprised that this wasn’t already implemented automatically by the blog software.

Posted by: Jake T | Mar 6 2022 8:23 utc | 521

1999 footage of Vladimir Zhirinovsky has surfaced where he talks of NATO provocation in the Ukraine, Caucasus and the Baltics.
https://t.me/realCRP/3464

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 8:40 utc | 522

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 7:46 utc | 520
HZ struck a weak point in Russian incorporation of drone warfare in their military at all levels. They just don’t have that.
The Chinese PLA was an early adopter of drone warfare since US showed their use in both strategic and tactical levels. Russia was a serious laggard until recently. But still, nothing on the level of the Chinese who have drone use at all levels of the battlefield environment. Even drones for electronic warfare.
China CCTV7 is a good source to see how well China has made drones part of their wartools. A recent documentary showed infantry using small DIY drones made from circuit boards and plastic 3D molding, flying them with VR headsets at high speeds through ground level obstacle course before smacking them into canvas targets. That’s infantry level suicide drones.
Russia would clearly have more battlefield intel with tactical recon drones but clearly not as they are often ambushed by javelin teams and manpads. Drones should be at the front of the spearheads, as well as covering the supply lines.
Watch the videos on Telegram and you’ll see where the Nazis have been successful in ambushing small convoys of vehicles.
Very sad.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 6 2022 8:40 utc | 523

@K | Mar 6 2022 3:00 utc | 386

On a different note regarding Gonzale Lira, I get an odd vibe from this man. He seems far too calm to be in a war zone in a city where violent Nazis are still in charge. Is he truly just an accidental tourist? It seems far fetched. I know he is saying all the “right” things so I might be completely off base.

He is married to a Ukrainian woman, has 2 kids and lives in Kharkov. Not a tourist.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 8:44 utc | 524

Surferket | Mar 6 2022 8:40 utc | 525
nothing can be taken for granted. Best to wait. Taking nazi/us videos as evidence is not good. Very much a war of smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 8:54 utc | 525

The headline should read works on. Poland is getting special treatment.

US works with Poland to provide Ukraine with fighter jets

The US is working with Warsaw on a deal to provide Ukraine with Polish fighter jets as Kyiv ratchets up the pressure on the west to boost its air force capabilities so it can repel Russian attacks.
The deal would involve Ukraine receiving Russian-made warplanes from Poland, which would in turn be given F-16s by the US. It comes amid fears Russia will increase air strikes given the slow progress of parts of its ground campaign.
continues

Archived Financial Times article ==> https://archive.ph/kjJ9C

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 8:56 utc | 526

@Circe | Mar 6 2022 5:26 utc | 449
I tend to agree with what you say nowadays (when you are not being spoofed). Well stated.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 8:59 utc | 527

I don’t quite follow you, i am just a translator.
Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 8:09 utc | 521
Who are you translating for?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 9:02 utc | 528

Posted by: YY | Mar 6 2022 4:15 utc | 410
I tend to agree. Where he’s useful is giving the perspective of people that he knows in Ukraine. I assume he’s getting info from people he knows, but I don’t assume he’s any more informed about the overall picture than anyone else, although depending on how many people in how many places he’s getting information from he might be able to put together the big picture better than most.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:06 utc | 529

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 6 2022 7:43 utc | 510
Agreed. As I said before, use the poster name and date-time as I do above.
MoA Navigation Nazi.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:11 utc | 530

Norwegian #166

Gonzalo Lira explains (from undisclosed location in Kharkhov, Ukraine) the phenomenon of Zelensky. He talks a lot and swears a lot, but if you want to know something about Kolomoisky and Zelensky, watch this. Who Is Zelensky? A Puppet—and Here’s Why

I gotta say I like Gonzalo Lira. He is a bit of a curiosity and pops up bright and chirpy and spins a great yarn. Perhaps he actually is in Ukraine and the entire story is straight. But for a bloke with a couple of kids he loves hugely in Karkov, he takes immense risks. Especially handing out his locality details while in Kiev.
He has been absolutely consistent in his reporting.Good luck to him.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 9:13 utc | 531

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 6 2022 8:40 utc | 525
More reference on PLA drone fleet:(everything in Chinese, sorry folks)
suicide drones:
Different UAVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8WlvWmufk&t=422s form
3:43 UAV munition carrier, 8:26 ground UAVs,
10:40 recon and combat UAVs
13:18 personnel recon UAVs one person can carry 15,
15:55 “HummingBird” personnel UAV
18:46 “Faithful Wingman” UAV for J20 stealthy fighter.
21;18 “Swam” UAV/missile two in one. Can be launched from multiple platform. This UAV can do synchronized attack and formation autonously.
Also see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-YrDQ_970o
23:37 UAV for Chinese Coast Guard
25:16 UAV for mine/obstacle clearing for Taiwan landing operation

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:15 utc | 532

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 9:02 utc | 530
HZ’s Chinese translation of analysis stinks to he heaven. All points listed are against stated objective. Allegedly having Chinese high ranking officer being so ignorant and uninformed of Russian objectives (plainly stated in Putin’s statements) is not only highly unlikely, but suspect of treason.
So, I call bs on that “translation” and suspect HZ is another troll listing changes US and NATO would very much like for Russia to implement in its method of war so there would be much more Ukrainian civilian casualties.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 6 2022 9:15 utc | 533

@malenkov | Mar 6 2022 5:26 utc | 450

In my heart of hearts I remain a leftist, but after hearing Chomsky and “Look at me! I’m a Communist!” Angela Davis tell me to vote for Killary Clinton, I find myself asking whether there’s such a thing as a Left that’s worth supporting. The fact that Trotskyites inevitably end up as neocon Zionists doesn’t help matters either.

Forget about “left” vs. “right”. They are completely inadequate in describing the alternatives in today’s world. Those terms are only useful to the divide and rule crowd.
We now exist in a surreal narrative-based environment where basic truths are inverted, the scientific method is being raped, outrageous lies are presented as virtues and physical threats to other people are accepted.
About 20 years ago I was frustrated about the political alternatives presented to me in elections. Every single party had some completely unacceptable aspect to it. So in my head I was thinking about what my party would be called if I created one. What I came up with was “The Truth Party”, it sounds really silly but it reflects the fundamental thing that is completely missing today: Acceptance of basic facts, natural laws and the scientific method. The division in society today is not left vs. right it is truth vs. lies. I think even Putin has come to this conclusion in his “Empire of Lies” declaration.
As for parties in general, nowadays I am not sure they serve any other purpose than handing over too much power to power hungry individuals, i.e. psychopaths. Representative democracy was (supposedly) needed when the technology of the day did not allow everyone to participate in the decision processes. This is no longer the case, so one could argue that representative democracy is obsolete, and should be replaced by direct participation of citizens in decision making, not just in “elections”. But what do I know.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 9:19 utc | 534

Speaking of books, by the way, I have acquired the following which seem interesting and not *obviously* biased, but I haven’t read them yet and don’t know when I will.
Democracy, Populism, and Neoliberalism in Ukraine. by Olga Baysha, a Routledge Focus book
Frontline Ukraine – Crisis In The Borderlands, by Richard Sakwa. Sakwa is known to be critical of the US/NATO approach to Ukraine. I’ve seen several interviews with him lately on this issue.
Near Abroad – Putin, The West, and The Contest Over Ukraine and The Caucasus, by Gereard Toal
The War In Ukraine’s Donbass – Origins, Contexts and The Future, edited by David R. Marples
Ukraine – What Everyone Needs To Know, by Serhy Yekelchyk
Ukraine and Russia – From Civilized Divorce To Ucivil War, by Paul D’Anieri

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:20 utc | 535

Posted by: Abe | Mar 6 2022 9:15 utc | 535
I don’t have resources from PLA high level officer intel. I am translating from Guancha.cn military commentators. Putin may have his own reason why it is planned in such way and I have no information about it. And i repeatedly said that in my previous posts.
Again, that is Chinese observation and i simply translate here. Don’t play ad hominem here.

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:23 utc | 536

@Patroklos | Mar 6 2022 6:35 utc | 482

The Saker’s site is timing out for me.

Technically, it is not a problem to reach that site from here, it loads as normal. Same for rt.com and sputniknews.com btw., working just fine.
It seems to me the promise of the unelected EU goon Usula von Der Lying, to dictatorially cancel the basic democratic right called “freedom of the press” (flawed as it is) is failing. Someone, somewhere disapproves and have taken steps to make sure those sites are still available, and her dictat becomes null and void.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 9:32 utc | 537

“1. He doesn’t understand why Russia is not using shock-awe tactics and the operation plan is very risky which depends on the assumption that Ukraine will yield quickly but it turned out the assumption is not correct.”
First, it is well known why Russia is not using “Shock and Awe”. As one Russian general put it, “We are not Americans!”
Second, who says Russia expected an easy yield? I’ve seen no such citation, just speculation from the West.
“2. The longer the Russian got trapped in this, the higher chances that NATO will intervene.”
That may be technically true, but the question is: how will NATO intervene? Right now it seems clear that NATO is relying on their stupid 20,000-man mercenary army – which is not going to work at all and anyone who thinks so is an idiot. Second, there have been THIRTY NATO wars games positing a conflict between NATO and Russia – and Russia won every single one of them. You don’t think the US and NATO are aware of that fact?
“3. It seems that Russian air force hold great restrain in doing CAS for ground troops which is against USSR doctrine. His assumption is that air force is reserved for large scale NATO intervention.”
Wrong. It was reserved because, again, Russia is trying to avoid unnecessary collateral damage, which the US is well known for not doing.
“4. Russian’s ECM is abysmal, all communication means should be cut off in day 1.”
Again, Russia is not trying to disrupt the average Ukrainian’s life any more tha necessary. Russia has a POLITICAL GOAL here. They need to hold down the carnage and disruption. Do you really think Russia, which has some of the best ECM in the world, wouldn’t use it if they needed to?
“Since west cut off major media channel from Russia. Moscow’s side of view is not delivered whereas smartphone videos from Ukraine is prevailing on the internet, which boosted Ukraine’s morale.”
Russia doesn’t give a shit about Western media or propaganda. Russia has issued statements contradicting the MSM BS but otherwise isn’t able to to compete with western media in western countries which control their media more than the Soviet Union ever did.
“Also, ECM is great to destroy enemy’s morale.”
Just as the invasion was starting, Russia sent text messages to the entire Ukrainian army in the Donbass region telling them that Russia was invading and to put down their arms.
“5. Russia’s UAVs are only able to provide recon info to nearby troops. China is equipped with battle info management system would ensure whenever enemy is detected, they will be eliminated soon.”
You need to go talk to Andrei Martyanov about Russian C4ISR. He says Russian combined arms operations are fully networked. He says, “If we can see you, we can kill you. And we can see you.”
“6. China helped Russia at least in avionics and military grade chips.”
And Russia is sharing its technology with China.
“7. He mentioned China will work as “Democratic Arsenal” for Russia if needed. However I have no detailed information about this.”
No idea what he means by that, so I can’t comment.
“8. Trade between Russia and China and India will keep Russia connected in global economy. In the worst case, they still can do barter trade or CIPS system. China is doing barter trade with Iran and could care less of US sanction.”
This part you get right.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:36 utc | 538

Posted by: Boo | Mar 6 2022 8:02 utc | 516
Precisely. Russia isn’t trying to annihilate Ukraine. It needs it intact to be “re-oriented” towards Russia and away from NATO. The US just destroys countries to achieve their political goals. Russia used military force to achieve political goals.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:39 utc | 539

MasterCard and VISA have ceded their operations in Russia to China’s UnionPay.
https://www.unionpayintl.com/en/mediaCenter/newsCenter/companyNews/2662.shtml

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 9:39 utc | 540

Geez what did i miss?
When a troll descends to name jacking, you know they’ve lost. They know they’ve lost.
b knows the email we used together with our moniker to post. It’s an easy enough, but time consuming job.
Congrats b, another step towards big time!

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 6 2022 9:42 utc | 541

“On May 27 2019, a week after Zelensky’s inauguration as president, the Ukrainian internet news site Obozrevatel published a long interview with Dmytro Anatoliyovych Yarosh, a co-founder of the Right Sector who was then the commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army. Yarosh and others like him have had little support when they tried to get elected to parliament but they, as demonstrated during Maidan, have the guns and the will to use them.
I now get an ‘access denied’ when I try to fetch the original interview but found a copy at archive.org.”
The copy is in Russian. Anybody here who knows an URL for an English version of this article/interview? The best tool to convince people who deny the influence of nazis in Ukraine. Do not laugh, please. There are a lot of such people in Germany.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 6 2022 9:43 utc | 542

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 6 2022 8:40 utc | 525
They have 2,000 UAVs, last estimate I heard. I’d be wary about these “ambush videos”. Also, shit happens in war. Russians aren’t Superman, they get hit occasionally, too. They’re moving very fast and may occasionally outrun certain support elements. It’s an acceptable risk for military advantage.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:43 utc | 543


Yet….WW2 was 80 years ago, and all those Nazis from then somehow either went into hiding or changed their views after the War ended, Germany became a solid democratic country, and it seemed for decades this type of thinking was dying out. Maybe those with such views became careful, and hid, or forgot, or maybe they generally rethought things and decided they had been wrong. Whatever they did, to some degree this right wing tendency toward choice of autocratic exclusive governments seems much wider than Ukraine. It seems prevalent throughout the Western world. Is it Nazi? Lots of people think so. I think lots of Russians think so, with their history.

Posted by: Boomheist | Mar 5 2022 19:02 utc | 59

I agree that they are very prevalent throughout the western world, but not only that – they also have political power and influence, and in particular they have enormous infiltration and mass participation in all the security industries – police, interior ministry, secret services, military, private security companies, etc.
In Germany there was the mysterious case of Beate Zschäpe, apparently neo-nazi terrorist or accomplice, but with myriad questionmarks over all aspects of the scene. During her investigation and trial period from 2011 to 2018 there were numerous scandals involving clear indications of very high level neo-nazi activities inside the German secret services. At one point the trial judge ordered the secret services to hand over all the files (hundreds of thousands of documents) they held, but instead they later shredded all the documents, as they later admitted in court. There was never any legal action taken against the secret services for the destruction of the evidence or for the refusal to hand it over to the court, nor any meaningful investigation into the power of neo-nazi influence within the higher echelons of German government.
The firm, persistent and unwavering support Germany has given to the neo-nazis in Ukraine over the last 8 years, and the disgusting behaviour of Scholz in the last week in supporting and whitewashing the Ukraine neo-nazis relate directly to that background.
Then there are the descendents of the major nazi families of Hitler’s time – extremely wealthy and powerful families, who remain immensely powerful today in German society. Case in point is Ursula von der Leyen, former German Defence Minister and now head of the EU. Her grandfather, as officer in the Third Reich, was a direct participant in the massive genocide of over 100,000 victims at Babyn Yar in Ukraine near Kiev. After the war he never left Germany, and somehow managed to escape prosecution at Nuremberg. Allegedly for the rest of his life he would become paranoid at any time nearing German borders. How was the grandchild of this monster able to become Defence Minister and later head of the EU, and what does that say about the true affiliations of the German government and of the EU? Is it consistent or inconsistent with the monstrous stance taken by governments right across the EU today?
Over the course of time I have come across a number instances of the younger generation of this sector of society. They are well dressed, quite normal looking on the exterior, affluent; but if you overhear some of their conversation you might be shocked.
Repeating part of the above quote: “Whatever they did, to some degree this right wing tendency toward choice of autocratic exclusive governments seems much wider than Ukraine. It seems prevalent throughout the Western world. Is it Nazi? Lots of people think so. I think lots of Russians think so, with their history.”
Indeed. This is the position in Europe today. It is covered over with a modern and luxurious carpet, but if you lift a corner and peer underneath you find a stinking writhing mess of maggots.

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 9:46 utc | 544

The Grayzone article and the information here give a good perspective on the tarpit Zelensky is stuck in. Thanks for that. I could almost feel sorry for Z if he hadn’t caused so much damage. Z though he was a player. I wonder if he’s figured out he’s really the ball.

Posted by: pls | Mar 6 2022 9:47 utc | 545

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:23 utc | 538
Please provide link to said text. I like to translate it myself and see identity of those who said it.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 6 2022 9:51 utc | 546

@waynorinorway | Mar 6 2022 7:43 utc | 510
Indeed. Never reply to trolls, instead discuss with real posters to increase the s/n ratio. If responding to someone, always refer properly to who you are responding to as shown here complete with date & time. It is easier than not doing it, simply copy/paste from the post you are replying to.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 9:52 utc | 547

@b, #49:
It appears the Empire is running its operations in complete Mafia style. How in the world did we sink so low in our part of the world???
p.s. I live in the western world.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 5 2022 20:04 utc | 98

In the west there is a long-standing tradition of murdering officials who are viewed as too much of an obstacle to undeclared objectives. It helps serve as warning to others who might think of not toeing the line.

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 9:52 utc | 548

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 9:39 utc | 542
Nice work unionpay 银联 from China. Lots of East Asian and Southeast Asia countries accept them as well. Another small step

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:55 utc | 549

Posted by: Abe | Mar 6 2022 9:51 utc | 54
https://m.guancha.cn/WangShiChun/2022_03_06_629031.shtml

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:59 utc | 550

“My bad; I’m done.”
Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 8:06 utc | 519
Fine, peace with you. Note that I used ‘narcissistic’ rather then narcissist. I also think that you personally
get a lot more flack here than you deserve. I wasn’t just trying to single you out. Many think everyone is paying attention
to them when in fact there are a lot of different conversations going on in a bar this size.
But as evidence for what I said, check your post @ Circe | Mar 6 2022 7:49 utc | 514. You referenced featherless @514 and Rae@515
and yet you post is numbered 514. Yeah, close proximity helps but it’s pretty simple to copy and paste the whole ‘posted by’ line.
***
“Agreed. As I said before, use the poster name and date-time as I do above.”
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:11 utc | 532
Thanks RSH.
We’ll get the world right even if it takes more empathy:)
Appreciate most of your thoughts.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 6 2022 10:01 utc | 551

too scents | Mar 5 2022 20:00 utc | 93
“There are probably many millions of Nazi diaspora salted internationally.”
Well, maybe. But who in Ukraine are they going to support once de-nazification is done? I do believe it will be thorough, one way or another…

james | Mar 6 2022 1:42 utc | 328
At first glance I read: “the next round of talks between Russia and Ukraine may take place on March 7 IN Kyiv” 😊

uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 3:50 utc | 405
Jesus Christus, I haven’t had breakfast yet and you’re putting pictures of Nancy the Pelosi’s knuckles in my head! Brrrr.

malenkov | Mar 6 2022 4:31 utc | 420
“congratulations, b! You’re now important enough that the trolls have found you. So what are you going to do about it?“
And what are you going to do about it?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 6 2022 10:01 utc | 552

@HZ
I really appreciate your perspective. A new and unique addition to the forum. Keep them coming!

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 6 2022 10:06 utc | 553

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:59 utc | 552
Interesting link. Thanks.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 10:06 utc | 554

@HZ
“His assumption is that air force is reserved for large scale NATO intervention.”
Unfortunately, that is my assumption, too. To may knowledge neither Russia or Belarus has turned on a single S-300/400/500 and have only used a tiny fraction of it’s air power. Big list of other weapons they haven’t used.
Part of that is to reduce civilian casualties. Russian artillery is premiere, and a big part of her war strategy. Yet, they aren’t using artillery. They are attempting a policing action rather than war. That comes with obvious risks.
The other part is as your friend suggests, if a confrontation with NATO is unavoidable the less capabilities (including drones) revealed the better.
Not to digress, but the Ukrainian air defenses were fairly robust. They had a lot of S-300s and BUK systems. Su-27 and Mig-29 are a bit dated, but still really solid. Su-25 are good ground attack jets. All are easy to hide because they can operate from primitive runways. I’d guess NATO helped rearm many of these systems after the Ukrainian military neglected them.
Small teams with ATGMs are hard to completely stop, especially from wooded or urban areas, even with drone reconnaissance.
Did Russia come to the drone party a little late? Maybe? I don’t think that is an unfair question to ask. I don’t know enough about drone warfare to guess. In any event, Russia does have a robust and advanced military drone industry. 2000-3000 of various types, many more advanced than the Turkish drone we are seeing. Not the Turkish drone is bad, but it is pretty basic. For the price, pretty effective, though. I do think China producing drones for Russia is a good plan. The Chinese can manufacture a ton of them quickly.
At the core of Ukraine’s large military is a bunch of well-trained, well-armed assorted fascists and mercenaries, I can’t imagine Russia overlooked this. My guestimate is a 5:1 casualties ratio in Russia’s favor with objectives being met on schedule.

Posted by: Haassaan | Mar 6 2022 10:16 utc | 555

Patroklos | Mar 6 2022 6:35 utc | 482
The Saker’s site is timing out for me.
Technically, it is not a problem to reach that site from here, it loads as normal.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 9:32 utc | 539

Sakers had pre-scheduled site maintenance from 01:00 to 04:00 US Eastern time, which would have affected the Patroklos post but is back to normal now. I assume that was the installation of massive increases in capacity that he had promised, to deal with the huge demand.
@b @saker @martyanov – just curious, what are the site traffic flows these days?

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 10:20 utc | 556

@BM | Mar 6 2022 9:46 utc | 546
Very troubling indeed. I have been asking myself, without stating it explicitly: “When the Western governments support Nazis in Ukraine directly, even with weapons, what does that make them?”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 10:21 utc | 557

Detailed update of the situation.
https://stolzuntermenschen.blogspot.com/

Posted by: BG | Mar 6 2022 10:27 utc | 558

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 6 2022 10:01 utc | 553
I’ll take what I can get. 🙂

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 10:33 utc | 559

sputniknews.com:
UK PM Says Situation in Ukraine is Not a NATO Conflict

The situation in Ukraine is not and will not be a NATO conflict, as the alliance is not seeking confrontation with Russia, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Sunday.
“This is not a NATO conflict, and it will not become one. No ally has sent combat troops to Ukraine. We have no hostility toward the Russian people, and we have no desire to impugn a great nation and a world power,” Johnson said in an opinion article published by The New York Times.

How can you deal with liars like this? This is a good example of what I mean when I say the conflict today is between basic facts/truth vs. blatant lies. It does not matter whether you call yourself “left” or “right” if you build your case on lies.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 10:37 utc | 560

Another view on the progression of things.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNA5qZLXIAIruI_?format=jpg
The markets are priced to perfection.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 10:37 utc | 561

Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:59 utc | 552
So it is an article written by somebody who is not military expert with credentials or qualifications that I can find. Image is of some young lad in his 20s or perhaps 30s, with a ton of articles on military stuff from US army, navy, Taiwan, middle east etc. If he is military person or officer, he is probably early retired because of lot of writing work, or he is just full-time job web writer/”expert”.
He is critical of Russian progress and planning and repeats some claims from Ukraine/western sources, including the one that Russians can’t supply own troops etc. and bases conclusions about failure of whole operation on similar ridiculous claims (front line is too long, Russians didn’t expect Ukraine to defend itself this strong etc).
Article is lot of copy paste information, with dubious conclusions by person not qualified and without any deeper understanding about it.
Comment section is, well, web comment section. I see no officers or military experts there, only people people on internet with own opinions, a lot of it from movies or previous wars/history.
I can’t find exact comment in question (which page/number is it, HZ) or is this text just compilation of some arguments from different posts?
So, unless you can point me to some qualified persons opinion, your argument list is what I said:
lot of unqualified people’s opinion about why Russia isn’t killing people the way US does.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 6 2022 10:44 utc | 562

guancha.cn is a Chinese web portal providing news and is considered a think tank providing info to Chinese govt for policy studies.
It is highly respected.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 6 2022 10:44 utc | 563

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 9:46 utc | 546
I think one of the problems is that people use the term NAZI indiscriminately, when what they really mean is fascism. The tendency towards fascism, is always with us and as they say, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Well what is fascism. It includes the following – rule by an elite dictator or oligarchy, no scope for any popular input into who rules or how, close integration of the economy with the desires and demands of this elite, strong nationalism, militarism, suppression of opposition. NAZIs was the particular form of fascism that existed in Germany, which focused on racial superiority, rather than national superiority. So while in Ukraine there appear to be many real NAZi ie those who follow the German model, the repression we see emerging in the rest of Europe and the increases economic inequality and insecurity are more associated with fascism not NAZIs. This matters a lot because it weakens all arguments when the term is used foolishly
Now in Europe in 1939, the following governments were fascist: Italy, Spain, Austria , Germany with Portugal, poland, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey all very repressive, if not formally fascist. when you add it the communist block which was autarchic and repressive (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus) , you see that only 80 years ago democracy was the odd one out- the weird form of government
It is amazing when you think of it. Just 80 years ago most of Europe was fascist or autocratic and for everyone over 35 or so their grandparents were teenagers or adults at the time and one has to assume that many of these grandparents were sympathetic or at least apathetic to fascism. Now in my experience (only anecdotal but still) it is very often grandparents rather than parents who influence the politics of a child and some of the fascist themes eg nationalism, are attractive to young people, especially where future prospects are diminished. So I would ask not why fascism has returned but rather why it has been absent for 80 years.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 10:53 utc | 564

The MIC are making a fortune out of this war.
“On March 4, a group of US senators turned to President Joe Biden with a request to speed up the supply of $6 billion worth of Abrams tanks and other weapons to Poland.”
Poland will buy and allow the funneling of weapons into Ukraine.
https://azeritimes.com/2022/03/05/us-congress-approves-sale-of-250-abrams-tanks-to-poland/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:02 utc | 565

@BM | Mar 6 2022 9:52 utc | 550

In the west there is a long-standing tradition of murdering officials who are viewed as too much of an obstacle to undeclared objectives. It helps serve as warning to others who might think of not toeing the line.

That can’t be true! Or else I would have read about it in some specimen of the free western press. And the famously free western press is the most diverse in the world. Because they keep telling that to us, in unisono.
PS: re your “BM | Mar 6 2022 9:46 utc | 546” post: It’s called Operation Gladio. Don’t believe the government and its faitful scribes that it was a “stay behind army to defend against a soviet invasion”.
Apart from repurposing and rebranding nazis and organizing false flags (while employing said nazis), Gladio’s operational scope extends to controlling all who might become a threat to the capitalist networks, be it by bribe, by blackmail or by assasination (it often ends up as a combination of the three) and subverting all social structures that might harbor oppositional ideas. Even the european green parties are a gladio project. Does anyone remember that we used to have “pacifist” movements in all European nations? All turned into “climate change outside, atlanticist interventionism inside” groups.
Gladio caused a bit of a stir in Italy and president Cossiga had to resign to calm the waves. But it made quite a mess in Belgium, causing some loose threads to become painfully visible: the Nijvel gang (political assasinations covered up as violent robberies) and the Dutroux affair. Dutroux was likely a small cog in a big blackmail network. During the Trump era I have a few times pointed at rumors that Trump’s mentor Roy Cohn (here Roy with GLADIatOr Don) was actively involved in these operations. It never seemed to resonate with barflies.
As the dark face of NATO, Gladio is likely headquartered in Brussel, as is another above-table control structure, the EU.

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 11:05 utc | 566

Does the Australian public even know what its government is up to, this is loose talk and it could be very costly indeed.
“Australian Defense Minister Peter Dutton refused to rule out arming Taiwan against China in the same way that the West has armed Ukraine against Russia, claiming Australia would do whatever it can to “deter China from acts of aggression.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:06 utc | 567

Now in Europe in 1939, the following governments were fascist: Italy, Spain, Austria , Germany with Portugal, poland, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey all very repressive,
Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 10:53 utc | 566

At the conclusion of the WWII the USA removed the socialist winners from local governments and replaced them with friendly Nazis, because “communism vs. capitalism”.
Operation Gladio, Operation Paperclip, and other “stay-behind” ops salted Nazis across areas of Western influence.
Fascism hasn’t been absent of 80 years. It is your pension plan.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 11:10 utc | 568

Why would Maduro even entertain this lot after what the US has done to his country over the years, why would any South American country care what the US thinks over Russia after the multiple coups, regime changes, mass murders and sabotage that the US has done to them over the last century or so.
It sounds to me as though Washington knows that things are about to change on a global scale economically and they want to isolate Russia to stop it happening. South American leaders including Maduro, if they have any sense will send the delegate packing, the Monroe Doctrine has seen the US inflict mass poverty among other terrible things on not just South America but Central America as well.
“Senior US officials reportedly traveled to Venezuela to meet with President Nicolás Maduro’s government as Russia’s conflict with Ukraine continues. Citing multiple unnamed sources “familiar with the matter,” the New York Times reported on Saturday that the meeting is the “highest-level visit” from the US in years after it broke diplomatic relations with the country in 2019 and recognized pro-US politician Juan Guaido as “interim” president of Venezuela over the legitimate President Nicolas Maduro.
US President Joe Biden’s administration is allegedly attempting to “separate Russia from its remaining international allies” as unnamed US officials believe Moscow’s allies in Latin America “could become security threats if the standoff with Russia” over Ukraine worsens.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:13 utc | 569

It looks like Poland is set to become the main staging post for attacks against Russian forces in Ukraine, if Putin doesn’t move a bit quicker this could turn into a protracted war, then again its my opinion that Ukraine will be a war zone for years to come.
“The White House has told a number of US media outlets that Washington does not mind if Poland supplies Ukraine with some of its old Soviet-era warplanes to help repel the ongoing Russian invasion. “We are also working on the capabilities we could provide to backfill Poland if it decided to transfer planes to Ukraine,” the spokesperson said on Saturday.
Politico quoted four unnamed US officials as saying that Washington may fill the gap in Poland’s Air Force if it decides to give its used MiG-29s to Kiev. The Wall Street Journal reported that the US was considering giving Poland F-16 jet fighters if it transfers some of its old aircraft to Ukraine.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:18 utc | 570

Scott Ritter sets out his case for Russia and the anti fascist Ukrainian forces to go all they way west. Erase the Nazis. He compares the extermination of these scum with the same tactic used in Grozney when that country was finally liberated from extremist killers.
Here is an extract from a long and excellent session at Consortium News.
I agree with Scott in this position as it would be supreme folly to do half measures in Ukraine as the CIA mongrel dogs will just get straight back down to business as usual until they too are destroyed. The maximum destructive dismantling of Nazism in Ukraine is a necessity, not a luxury.
The naked perp walk by the CIA at the end of this extraordinary ‘correction’ is a highly desirable outcome. The CIA is the enemy, beyond any nation state.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 11:18 utc | 571

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:06 utc | 569
Hard though it may seem to believe Peter Dutton is even more stupid than the UK FM. he is stupid and dangerous and cruel.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 11:18 utc | 572

“Now in Europe in 1939, the following governments were fascist: Italy, Spain, Austria , Germany with Portugal, poland, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey all very repressive”
Yugoslavia was never fascist. Interim government signed neutrality agreement with Germany but people spontaneously threw the government in demonstrations in Belgrade on 26 March 1941. On today’s day Germany conducted viscous bombardment of Belgrade (exactly 81 years ago). At least 4000 people were killed and one third of buildings were destroyed. Famous ten pilots of Yugoslavian Airforce defended the sky’s over Belgrade, they were all killed but they destroyed 47 German planes. Glory to them!

Posted by: Milos | Mar 6 2022 11:27 utc | 573

This kind of dovetails with my (572) comment.
That the US/Nato/EU are planning for a long drawn out confrontation with Russia in Ukraine.
“We should recognize them as a government in exile, in Warsaw or in London, and we ought to refer to Ukraine as occupied Ukraine,” O’Brien told NBC after the meeting. Lawmakers in Washington believe there is “substantial value” in Zelensky remaining in Ukraine, including a “political advantage,” an “optics advantage,” and a “morale advantage,” but not if his life is in jeopardy.”
“The US and its allies are quietly working on “contingency plans” in case Russian forces succeed in their operation in Ukraine and force the current government into exile, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
The prospects of Russian troops seizing the Ukrainian capital, Kiev have sparked “a flurry of planning” at the US State Department, the media outlet reported. Washington allegedly expects the weapons America and its allies are currently pumping into Ukraine to be used during the protracted insurgency they expect to follow. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will take the role of “the pivotal force” rallying Ukrainians to continue fighting Russia, according to reports.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:29 utc | 574

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 11:10 utc | 570
No. This is the sort of careless comment that discredits people. After WWII the USA did not set up fascist governments, largely because they were too afraid of communism. So in most places- Scandinavia, UK, France, Germany, what was established was a dual system of government which has democratic socialists as one of the two major parties. These often got into government and by introducing popular egalitarian reforms – free healthcare, education, decent pensions and good wages etc, the pressure for revolutionary style communism was much reduced. it was a clever strategy. The other party eg Christian democrat were more conservative and more big business focused, but it is wrong and foolish to call the fascist. Most in those days genuinely believed in issues such as free speech and equality of justice.
This is of course no longer the case. The former democratic Socialist parties are largely defunct- much weaker and make very little pretense at pushing social equality. they are US bootlickers wedded to the capitalist order. The Greens are even worse and the far left parties of trivial significance. Similarly the christian democrat, soft conservative parties have also shrunk in influence and many parties on the far right have emerged. While it may not be fair to call such parties fascist, they certainly cater for the same demographic that flocked to the fascist parties in the 1930s

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 11:30 utc | 575

Posted by: Abe | Mar 6 2022 10:44 utc | 564
I think this article is by a civilian. The article mentions talks with comrades in the PLA, but again, no idea what position they’re in.
Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 7:46 utc | 512
The link you posted doesn’t talk about the democratic arsenal. Can you post the article where it’s talked about?

Posted by: Beatrice | Mar 6 2022 11:32 utc | 576

The body language of Blinken and Kuleba next to him on the Polish frontier was fascinating. Blinken looked like a man who did not want to be there; that he was overwhelmed and wanted to dive for cover. Kuleba looked like a schoolboy in his short coat hoping grown-ups would come to the rescue and making fantastic demands. It must have been like Josef Beck as Polish FM in 1939 as he fled through Romania and was interned dying of TB there.
Beck too played his cards badly and lost his country having obtained worthless guarantees (as Lord Halifax admitted at the time) from London thereby causing Hitler to cancel the Polish-German Treaty 1934 and through blocking Soviet forces on Polish territory prevented the only means by which Britain could save Poland through an Anglo-Soviet Pact in Aug 1939……….he kept Poland independent for a further 7 days !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 6 2022 11:32 utc | 577

Watcher (574).
I get the feeling that the Australians, already the tip of the US spear in the economic war against China, don’t actually realise the severity of it all. Having the US as an ally and purchasing nuclear subs that will cost the Australian taxpayer a fortune for years to come, that might lead to open warfare with China isn’t a priority in my opinion.
What business is it of Australia’s between Taiwan and China, Australians are being used by Washington, and it might end badly for them.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:35 utc | 578

Posted by: Milos | Mar 6 2022 11:27 utc | 575
Sorry Milos – I was just going from Wikipedia – I really do not know much about the politics of central/eastern Europe in 1930s. Know about West Europe of course.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 11:35 utc | 579

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:35 utc | 580
We know (or some of us do)

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 11:38 utc | 580

US would happily sell more planes to Poland and Polish politicians would readily accept kickbacks and US passports……
however with 29 MIG-29 Poland has planes without radar and two-seaters plus 22. SU-22 aircraft. I doubt they could entice Ukrainian pilots to Poland and then send them unarmed back…….as Scott Ritter points out – armed planes leaving Poland bring Poland into the war as combatants and NATO is “defensive” we are told……….
I see Russian forces have captured lots of NATO kit and the evacuation/rout of UKR forces resembles scenes in Kabul when the US cut and ran leaving lots of NATO kit

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 6 2022 11:38 utc | 581

Watcher @ 566
The Ukrainian ultranationalists aren’t just fascist, they are Nazis.
They glorify Stepan Bandera, the OUN, the UPA and the Galician SS.
All those organisations were Nazi – they sided with the Germans for part of WW2.
They engaged in one of the least known but largest genocides of the 20th century: the extermination of people deemed not to be pure Ukrainian: 60k to 120k Poles (the numbers vary widely because most were buried in large unmarked graves, many have yet to be found) in Volynia & east Galicia. Most were killed with farm implements: pitch forks, scythes, hammers, axes. The Poles called the Ukrainian UPA gangs the ‘rezen’ (axemen).
Also Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Jews (200k in Babi Yar), Gypsies and plenty of Russians.
https://www.ilawjournals.com/volyn-massacre-the-most-terrible-crime-of-bandera/
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
https://volhyniamassacre.eu/
https://justice4poland.com/2014/07/10/the-volyn-massacre-of-poles/comment-page-1/
Since 2014 there are statues to Bandera and other leaders of these war crimes. National holiday in Bandera’s honour. Nazi symbols are prominent with Azov, Aidar battalions and the Right Sector militia. The ethnic cleansing rhetoric is open.
https://stormcloudsgathering.com/posts/the-ukraine-crisis-what-youre-not-being-told/
https://fos-sa.org/2022/03/04/oliver-stone-ukraine-on-fire/
https://www.ibtimes.com/east-ukraine-war-fears-grow-right-sector-leader-dmytro-yarosh-wants-begin-new-phase-2035278
If the Ukrainian army had overrun the Donbas – the Aidar and Azov battalions were ready to conduct the genocidal terror to drive the locals into Russia proper or to kill them. Russia defending the republics would’ve likely led to all the same sanctions – so another reason to go on the offensive for once.
Why is Ukrainian nationalism so like this? As WW2 leaders of their Nazi ideology said – 700 years of always being oppressed – by Lithuanian Kingdom, Polish Kingdom, Tsarist Russia, USSR and Polish Republic, then USSR again after WW2. They only got an independent nation in 1991/1992 for first time. They were treated as serfs for much of their history. Resentment grew. The Holodomor famine of Stalin’s forced collectivisation of the farms hit Ukrainians hard – but it did same to Russians too.
In WW1 the AustroHungarians offered them autonomy. When WW2 came, they felt Hitler would give them autonomy from Stalin.
My Polish uncle was a survivor of the Volynia massacres. He’d never talk about it except to say the German Nazis were disgusted by the level of barbarity of the Ukrainian Nazis.

Posted by: PJB | Mar 6 2022 11:41 utc | 582

Karl Rove’s made-up reality is coming to an end, fortunately.
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 4:14 utc | 409

Not quite, but the opposite. Currently it is Russia which is creating reality, and while the others are studying it, Russia will create another reality and so non.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 6 2022 11:43 utc | 583

Is it any wonder Zelensky is calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
“A number of politicians in the US have recently called for NATO to enforce a “no-fly zone” over Ukraine, a move that would see NATO shoot down Russian planes operating in the area, and would be considered by Moscow to be an act of war.”
Zelensky wants a full blown war between Nato/EU which could quickly become a wider war, so far the warmongering Empire of Lies have held back on declaring a no-fly zone over Ukraine, but for how long.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 11:44 utc | 584

Speaking of fascists:
This article from Haaretz is worth reading in today’s context, enjoy, such candour is not permitted in the ‘western’ MSM.
“Imagine that Israel is invading the Gaza Strip once more. The usual killing, destruction and ruin. Tens of thousands of civilians flee for their lives after losing the little they had. Buildings collapse like houses of cards – and Israel continues as is its wont: The pilots bomb, the tanks advance, the media and the population in Israel cheer. Suddenly the international community takes a decision: If Israel does not withdraw immediately it will face sanctions. If the Gaza Strip does not become a no-fly, no-bombing zone at once, all flights to and from Israel will be canceled. Israel tries to thumb its nose as usual, citing the arguments of self-defense, terrorism and the Holocaust – and the world pulls out the new doomsday weapon: It severs Israel from the international banking transfer and communications system. Israel is without SWIFT. What is right and just for the invader of Ukraine is right and just for the invader of the Gaza Strip.
Without SWIFT, Israel would immediately implode. Perhaps the tyrannical Russian giant could stand it for a while – but not Israel. Within days, the captains of the economy would come to the heads of the government and the military and tell them: Stop now. We can’t take it. Just as business leaders in apartheid-era South Africa came to the white government and said: Stop. The only question remaining is how much longer the Israel Defense Forces would continue to destroy the Strip. One day? Two? A week? The IDF would withdraw, the siege would be lifted, Gaza would open, for the first time in years. All in one SWIFT motion….”
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-one-swift-motion-and-the-occupation-is-over-1.10654499
“…It is possible that when the cannons fall silent, things will return to their normal routine, with Israel doing whatever it wants and ignoring the world that arms, embraces and finances it. But maybe they will not. In Washington, where this column is being written, new voices are already being heard. They may grow stronger when the war ends and the world will finally have its say and begin to act not only against tiny Russia – but against that which is dearest to it of all, to which everything is permitted.
One SWIFT – and the occupation is over…”

Posted by: Paul | Mar 6 2022 11:44 utc | 585

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 6 2022 7:18 utc | 502
Thanks a lot for the quote, it is exactly like I wrote in #585.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 6 2022 11:46 utc | 586

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 11:05 utc | 568
iirc mintpressnews did an investigative series on Epstein that talked about Cohn’s involvement in these sorts of blackmail operations, although they were based in the US rather in Europe. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had been involved in European ones, too, though.

Posted by: Beatrice | Mar 6 2022 11:48 utc | 587

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 6 2022 11:32 utc | 579

Cameo by Victoria Nuland in Blue.
https://youtu.be/0EWSug__I40

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 12:06 utc | 588

Posted by: PJB | Mar 6 2022 11:41 utc | 584
Sorry PJB. I accept that the Ukrainian fascists are in fact NAZIs in the real sense. It is the habit of people calling governments in the so called democracies NAZI that so irritates me because it downgrades the severity of the NAZI crimes.
Now do not get me wrong. I think that most western counties are moving quite quickly towards fascism and possibly in some places NAZIsm, but it is still too early to throw labels around carelessly.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 12:06 utc | 589

osted by: PJB | Mar 6 2022 11:41 utc | 584
Is the Ukrainian situation a little similar to the Irish situation? There you had a community who, while mostly speaking English, did so with a strong dialect (ie a bit like Ukranian to Russian), in the West having a very different religion Catholic/Orthodox paralleling catholic /protestant in Ireland and being treated as second class ignorant yokels much of the time?
I really am just asking if this is a good analogy, not saying that it is.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 12:16 utc | 590

Circe is a trill (oops! Ukrainian spelling?) as well, but she is much more polite than donkeytale (or whatever king donkey rear .org calls himself next). She’s also had some training as her skill levels are way up over last year.
Congratulations on actually listening in those seminars, Circe! Those techniques you learned actually work! Slipping “The Narrative” in on the sly works so much better then just bluntly blurting out the Mockingbird mass media narrative du jour like donkeytale, doesn’t it? “Putin is an enigma and a chameleon”? “…a man of his small stature would take on the Empire”? “Putin is… ruthless, and has done some questionable things”? “…what Putin has done… was… totally unpredictable in character…”?
Nice job, Circe! You plant the basics of the Operation Mockingbird narrative while sounding slightly critical of the Empire of Lies. You’re even better at it than Jackrabbit was, which is quite high praise.
But lies take different forms. Bald-faced lies don’t work on some crowds, thus the need to be oblique with the deceit here, right Circe?
In fact it isn’t “Putin vs the Empire of Lies”. Putin is actually a very simple and direct man. What you see is what you get. This directness continuously surprises people in the West because it is a characteristic that is completely absent in literally 100% of all western politicians. Indeed, the term ‘politician’ is synonymous with ‘liar’ in the West. We expect it of all politicians as it is inconceivable to us that anyone honest and forthright could succeed at the politics game. One must be a greasy, sLimey salesman, constantly making promises that you have no intention of ever honoring to be a politician in the West. We accept that as if it is a natural law, and so we support the lying politicians who seem to lie a little less, or whose more obvious lies seem to be aligned with our own interests (“There is no such thing as Critical Race Theory!” [wink][wink]). So when Putin does what he says he will do we naturally assume “Yeah, but that is just to disguise a bigger lie that we cannot imagine yet!”
The war is not about “Putin vs the Empire of Lies”. The war is about Russia vs the Empire. It is the Russian people themselves who demanded that the Empire be confronted in the Ukraine. Had Putin been a western style salesman politician who like western style politicians serves the interests of oligarchs, then Putin would have promised the Russian people a confrontation while sandbagging the demands of the population and maneuvering to make that confrontation nothing more than theater. The fact that Putin follows through with his mandate and his promises is the real “enigma” in the West.
It is impressive that Circe is now able to insert the Operation Mockingbird narratives into the discourse here without triggering much rejection of that toxin from readers. This shows growth in the skills of her craft. We are only half a year now from when she will be switching to the “hard sell” for the Democrat US political team. I will regularly point this out between now and then so readers should have no room for claiming surprise.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 6 2022 12:19 utc | 591

watcher | Mar 6 2022 11:30 utc | 577

No. This is the sort of careless comment that discredits people. After WWII the USA did not set up fascist governments, largely because they were too afraid of communism.

Before WWII there were many in Europe who were sympathetic to fascism and Hitler, but there were also many who were sympathetic to socialism and communism (not necessarily of the soviet kind.) After the war, fascism was fully discredited and socialism saw a resurgence in spirit. Had the USA hard-handedly implemented their flavor of fascism (with an applepie and a bible, wrapped in an american flag), there would have been a massive insurgence and communist revolutions. While no strong enough on their own, these would likely have attracted intervention by the Soviet Union. There would never have been a cold war in Europe.
So the imperialst old order together with the USA imperialists moved carefully. In the final days of the reich, most of the socialist resistance groups were betrayed an eliminated. Carefully vetted infiltrators were placed in socialist organizations and moved up the ranks while enjoying less “career misfortune” than others.
In the Netherlands, the socialist party leader Joop den Uyl had been an admirer of Hitler in the thirties. This was brushed aside in the press as “youthful naiveté”. He was also good friends with Prince Bernhard and den Uyl saved the dutch monarchy at a time when he had the power and momentum to rid the Dutch of these parasites when scandal broke around Bernhard’s corruption in the Lockheed bribery. Bernhard of course is intimately connected to various Gladio like groups, including the Bilderberger group, which he personally founded. Bernhard was also a member of the nazi party early on, but it was downplayed as if he had joined only to receive preferential treatment in the application for a parking licence (really!) Another good friend of Bernhard was the long time leader of the Dutch communist party, Joop Wolff. A major room in the dutch parliament building is named after Wolff. Not a bad accomplishment for a communist, who never played any role of significance in dutch politics.
I’m sure that in other european countries, similar stories never got much mainstream attention.

Most in those days genuinely believed in issues such as free speech and equality of justice.

Most people still do. When confronted with facts that disturb these illusions, they react agonized and attack the messenger.

This is of course no longer the case. The former democratic Socialist parties are largely defunct- much weaker and make very little pretense at pushing social equality. they are US bootlickers wedded to the capitalist order. The Greens are even worse and the far left parties of trivial significance. Similarly the christian democrat, soft conservative parties have also shrunk in influence and many parties on the far right have emerged. While it may not be fair to call such parties fascist, they certainly cater for the same demographic that flocked to the fascist parties in the 1930s

The mask has fallen, soon the gloves will be off. I can hear the cheering in the distance. Because we are the good ones. We always have been.

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 12:22 utc | 592

The thread is already too long, and probably ending. I do, however, want to invite a discussion of this post by Yanis Varoufakis. I think it deserves serious consideration and response.
https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2022/03/05/what-we-must-in-the-face-of-putins-criminal-invasion-of-ukraine-a-personal-view-plus-a-heartwarming-manifesto-by-russian-comrades/

Posted by: JB | Mar 6 2022 12:37 utc | 593

from Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 9:39 utc | 541
“…It (Russia) needs it (Ukraine) intact to be “re-oriented” towards Russia and away from NATO. The US just destroys countries to achieve their political goals. Russia used military force to achieve political goals.”
very sad and very true about what the US has done to so many nations over the last 70+ years, just bombing the sh*t out of them, from Korea and Vietnam to Iraq and Afghan-i-Nam, et. al. Truly shocking if you know the real historical record even just a tiny bit.
and then the sanctimonious western powers, who destroyed Yugoslavia in Europe too, have the nerve and gall to call Russia and Putin on their ‘war crimes’.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 6 2022 12:42 utc | 594

@Beatrice | Mar 6 2022 11:48 utc | 589

iirc mintpressnews did an investigative series on Epstein that talked about Cohn’s involvement in these sorts of blackmail operations, although they were based in the US rather in Europe. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had been involved in European ones, too, though.

My rumor source has a strong record. Although Netherlands based (and probably untranslatable) it often comes up with details and connections that are rare to find in other places on the internet.
Anyway, even in the margins of mainstream, Roy Cohn is hushedly praised as an expert at setting up political blackmail traps, so why wouldn’t he have been consulting out, off shore. I bet there were plenty of huggable underage boys in Brussels. Some recently former Belgian prime minister would know (but he denies.)

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 12:45 utc | 595

uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 9:13 utc | 533
Indeed, who is Zelensky?
Never take your eye off the ball.
Check out the Society of Ambient Intelligence (Zelensky’s father serves on the Scientific Committee) . . . ArcelorMittal (https://corporate.arcelormittal.com) is listed on the April 2022 program as a Partner (https://www.isc-sai.org).
This patent for a reduced graphene oxide (rGO) coating for steel (to enable “smarter steel”) is assigned to ArcelorMittal: https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20210206991.pdf.
Ukraine is a main player in graphene production (Graphene Plus LLC is a research and production company that specializes in carbon nanomaterials: graphene and fullerene. Our company is located in Kharkiv, the scientific capital of Ukraine. We work with well-known research institutes to achieve results in various potential uses of graphene and fullerene. https://graphene-plus.com.ua/en/).
Seeing the connections to U.N. (2030) Sustainable Development Goals and Covid 19 global distractions? The AI marches on…..

Posted by: steve kelly | Mar 6 2022 12:52 utc | 596

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 12:22 utc | 594
I am guessing that in Europe the social democratic parties were heavily influenced by working class Catholics as was the case for the USA democrats and very much the case in Australia. I was going to toss this in to the discussion about the influence of religion. Clearly in some places the role of the catholic church in its vitriolic hatred for communism cannot be ignored, because it turned many social democratic parties strongly to the right. I think this long standing hatred of “commies” by those raised in the Catholic church is one reason for the violently anti Russia (and China) hysteria we see just now. It is easy to stir up these old childhood bogeymen.
I might add that many here and elsewhere (especially at Saker) raise the influence of Zionists on government policy. I might suggest that the politically active Opus Dei movement of the catholic church may also be a factor, especially giving support to fascists as they did to Franco in Spain. I would not be at all surprised to find Opus Dei a big factor in recruiting young militants to join the AZOV brigades.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 12:55 utc | 597

@circe and others who doubt the “Nuclear Winter” effect
The studys in the 80’s had shortcomings because of some of the assumptions made and the primitive nature of the climate models back then. There has been a host of new studys from i think 2008 and on and Daniel Ellsberg and Col. Wilkerson both seem to agree with their conclusions from what i have seen on Paul Jay’s theanalysis.news
Wikipedia has the links to all the recent studys
The latest two, one modeling a limited nuclear war between India and Pakistan in 2025 with 250 15- to 100-kt yield Airbursts over citys and the other an all out nuclear war between the US and Russia with 4,400 total nuclear weapons with 100-kt yield
These are the predictions for a “limited nuclear war”:
“the global average surface temperature drops between 1.25° and 6.5°C over several years for our scenario. These perturbations reach their peak about 3 years after the conflict and are near the peak value for about 4 years. It takes more than a decade for temperatures and precipitation to return to normal. The Last Glacial Maximum, 20,000 years ago, had a global temperature decline of about 3° to 8°C”
“cooling of the Northern Hemisphere continents is stronger than that of the Southern Hemisphere; temperature drops greater than 10°C occur across North America and Europe north of about 30° latitude, with cooling up to 5°C over all continents”
“large decreases in rainfall predicted over densely populated regions such as India and central China where precipitation almost ceases. The U.S. Northeast and Midwest lose more than 50% of their rainfall.”
Take a guess what this does to Global food production with the main agricultural zones in the nothern hemisphere. And i know climate is such a complex system that long term predictions might be off by a substantial margin but we’re talking about a decade here not 50 years.

Posted by: Marc | Mar 6 2022 12:57 utc | 598

It is not especially reliable but there appears to be quite a bit happening at livemap.ua Russian shelling/sightings seem to be moving westward. It seems evacuation of Mariupol about to happen

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 13:07 utc | 599

@psychohistorian #376
Public finance may help in the short term, but longer term – it is far more dangerous than what we have now.
Consider the depredations of the TBTF banks today, but completely unified and dominating over all federal and state and local jurisdictions including both regulatory and financial power.
That’s exactly what Jackson’s fight against the 2nd Bank of the United States was about albeit likely more for personal reasons than anything else.
The real problem is the corruption and fiduciary irresponsibility of the federal and state governments in the US and Europe.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 13:11 utc | 600