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March 5, 2022
Zelensky And The Fascists: “He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk”

Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism states:

Lambert and I both find this is the worst informational environment either of us have faced, orders of magnitude worse than the war in Iraq, …

and:

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Now back to Ukraine and the big question: Why is Russia doing this?

At the Grayzone Alexander Rubinstein and Max Blumenthal have published a piece about Zelensky's turn from the peacemaker he had promised to be before his election to an active supporter of the fascist 'ultranational' militia. They pin that turn to a frontline meeting between Zelensky and militia fighters in the fall of 2019:

In a face-to-face confrontation with militants from the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who had launched a campaign to sabotage the peace initiative called “No to Capitulation,” Zelensky encountered a wall of obstinacy. 

With appeals for disengagement from the frontlines firmly rejected, Zelensky melted downon camera. “I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons,” Zelensky implored the fighters.

Once video of the stormy confrontation spread across Ukrainian social media channels, Zelensky became the target of an angry backlash.

Andriy Biletsky, the proudly fascist Azov Battalion leader who once pledged to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen”, vowed to bring thousands of fighters to Zolote if Zelensky pressed any further. Meanwhile, a parliamentarian from the party of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko openly fantasized about Zelensky being blown to bits by a militant’s grenade.

Though Zelensky achieved a minor disengagement, the neo-Nazi paramilitaries escalated their “No Capitulation” campaign. And within months, fighting began to heat up again in Zolote, sparking a new cycle of violations of the Minsk Agreement.

By this point, Azov had been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and its street vigilante wing, known as the National Corps, was deployed across the country under the watch of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, and alongside the National Police. In December 2021, Zelensky would be seen delivering a “Hero of Ukraine” award to a leader of the fascistic Right Sector in a ceremony in Ukraine’s parliament.

That is all correct. But let me point out that death threats from the fascists to Zelensky were already made much earlier.

On May 27 2019, a week after Zelensky's inauguration as president, the Ukrainian internet news site Obozrevatel published a long interview with Dmytro Anatoliyovych Yarosh, a co-founder of the Right Sector who was then the commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army. Yarosh and others like him have had little support when they tried to get elected to parliament but they, as demonstrated during Maidan, have the guns and the will to use them.

I now get an 'access denied' when I try to fetch the original interview but found a copy at archive.org.

The headline of the interview carries his main message (machine translations):

Yarosh: if Zelensky betrays Ukraine, he will lose not his position, but his life


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As the interview is quite long I will concentrate on two parts. Zelensky had promised peace and to implement the Minsk agreement. Here is Yarosh's thought about Minsk:

Interviewer: What do you mean?

Yarosh: The Minsk format – and I talk about this all the time – is an opportunity to play for time, arm the Armed Forces, switch to the best world standards in the system of national security and defense. This is an opportunity for maneuver. But no more. The implementation of the Minsk agreements is the death of our state. They are not worth a drop of blood of the guys and girls, men and women who died in this war. Not a drop.

We were better prepared during this diplomatic game for a possible large-scale Russian invasion.

I: Do you think it's time to abandon "Minsk"?

Y: Undoubtedly.

I: But Zelensky was told immediately after the elections that he had no alternatives.

Y: "They told Zelensky" … Did Zelensky say anything at all?

I: Not.

Y: And it's scary. The Supreme Commander, who says nothing at all. It's kind of empty. And it's very strange.

I: Waiting for what the newly elected president will say?

Y: Not only. Let's fight and get ready. We are waiting for what he will say and, most importantly, how he will act. "By their fruits you will know them," says Scripture. "Fruits" we will see somewhere in the fall. Zelensky is an inexperienced politician. And the retinue makes the king. And we already see who is there, "in the retinue", is beginning to appear. It does not add optimism. Because Zelensky promised his voters (I was not Zelensky's voter) that he would break the oligarchic system. But already from the first appointments, we see that the oligarchic system continues to live and flourish. And, obviously, it will continue to be so. Just the streams will be transferred.

To the 'ultranationalists' in the Ukraine the Minsk agreement was always just a fig-leaf to have time for rearming. In 2019, five years after Minsk, they already felt capable and ready to again attack and overwhelm the Donbas rebels.

Yarosh's remark about Zelensky and the oligarchs is not wrong. The streams of money sucked from Ukrainians and foreign donors were redirected under Zelensky to benefit those oligarchs, most prominently Igor Kolomoyskyy, who had supported him.

The interviewer then asks Yarosh about his relation to Kolomoyskyy who had called the conflict with Donbas a civil war. Yarosh does not mind Kolomoyskyy but rejects the 'civil war' claim:

Yarosh: [P]erhaps, something is pushing him to make such statements. Apparently, some kind of business interest.

This is the main danger of the oligarchy, as for me. They, the oligarchs, are talented people, because without talent it is impossible to build such businesses and earn billions. But the danger of the oligarchs is that they are compradors. They don't give a damn about the Motherland. They need money. Profit turns a blind eye to everything. And then you can negotiate with Russia on any terms.

And that is why Zelensky is very dangerous for us Ukrainians. I feel it.

Interviewer: What is the danger?

Y: His statements about peace at any cost are dangerous for us. Vladimir simply does not know the price of this world. He may have been with concerts close to the front. But when my boys were torn apart by Russian shells into small pieces and then these pieces had to be collected and sent to their mothers, the price somehow looks completely different.

I: Are you trying to meet him now?

Y: Yes. I have already made a couple of messages, but he is silent. Perhaps they didn't reach him. He is a busy man…

But even if this meeting does not happen, it's okay. He just needs to understand one truth: Ukrainians cannot be humiliated. Ukrainians, after seven hundred years of colonial slavery, may not yet have fully learned how to build a state. But we learned how to make an uprising very well and remove all those "eagles" who are trying to parasitize on the sweat and blood of Ukrainians. Zelensky said in his inaugural speech that he was ready to lose ratings, popularity, position… No, he would lose his life. He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk – if he betrays Ukraine and those people who died in the Revolution and the War.


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Khreshchatyk is the main street of Kiev. The above and other threats to Zelensky certainly helped to convert him from peacemaker to warmonger and friend of the various 'ultranational' militia formations.

In spring 2021 Zelensky announced that the Ukraine would retake Crimea by force. Russia then held large military maneuvers and Zelensky backed down. By November 2021 the Ukraine again made noise and said it would be retaking Donbas by force. Russia again held military maneuvers as a show of force but this time the situation deteriorated further.

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.


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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR*:

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

One of the package decision Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

On February 22 Russia recognized the Donbas republics as independent states. On February 24 Russian troops crossed the borders into the Ukraine.

The aim set for the Russian military is to de-militarize the Ukraine and to de-nazify it.

The first is easy to understand. The Russian military will simple destroy or disable all heavy weapons the Ukraine has.

The second aim requires more explanation than the above interview with Dmytro Yarosh.

As the Grayzone notes:

In November 2021, one of Ukraine’s most prominent ultra-nationalist militiamen, Dmytro Yarosh, announced that he had been appointed as an advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yarosh is an avowed follower of the Nazi collaborator Bandera who led Right Sector from 2013 to 2015, vowing to lead the “de-Russification” of Ukraine.

The threats from the fascists make it impossible for any Ukrainian politician to implement a sane policy that would lead to peace in the country.

The fascists in Ukraine are relatively few. But they have the guns and they will kill anyone who opposes them and their aims. They have been put into important state positions. (Besides that oligarchs like Kolomoyskyy pay and use them for their own purposes.)

The problem is that such ideological groups, once firmly established, tend to grow. The Right Sector is holding 'patriotic' summer camps for young Ukrainians and the Ukrainian state is financing those. They are successful and Ukrainian youths is looking up to them.

These developments are what Russia is afraid off. As Patrick Armstrong wrote at the start of the current intervention:

What [Putin] is talking about is what the Soviet Union tried to do from 1933 onwards: namely to stop Hitler before he got started. This time Russia is able to do it by itself. In other words, Putin feels that he is making a pre-emptive attack to stop June 1941. This is very serious indeed and indicates that the Russians are going to keep going until they feel that they can safely stop.

The Russian military will destroy the militia formations like the Right Sector and the Azov battalion which is currently holding the people of Mariupol as hostages. It will try to get all their leaders – dead or alive.

When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine.

Being freed from powerful fascists will enable Ukrainian politicians to re-institute sane policies.

That's the plan.

But will it work?

That is probably the wrong question. One should ask to what degree and for how long will it work.

After Ukraine's independence it took the 'ultranationalists' 22 years, and the help of the CIA, to come to power. Once eliminated they may claw back, but it will take them some time. The Ukraine will be busy with reviving its economy. It will have little money to spend on arms.  

Thirty years later Russia may see a repeat of the confrontation. But 30 years are quite a long time.


* Ukraine could not break the permissive action link security codes of those nuclear weapons so it actually gave up nothing.

Comments

@malenkov #331
This blog is run by the operator for public benefit.
If you don’t like it, just leave.
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Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 1:01 utc | 301

karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 0:49 utc | 350
What comes next is the big question. As yet we have not seen Russia’s reciprocal sanctions so that is likely to be next. No doubt Russia will be seeing were the dust settles or otherwise on this first move before making a final decision on the next move.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 1:02 utc | 302

The problem is this site uses a very weird software that’s open to fakes and when busy is very hard to moderate when you have only a few moderators.
Users are not required to register to comment with a fixed ID, hence trolls can hijack IDs. Replies are not nested to what they are replying to.
When don’t b actually use a more modern forum software?

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 6 2022 1:08 utc | 303

BabesOfAeroflot | Mar 6 2022 0:57 utc | 358
Surely you’re not naive enough to think US would ever agree to and stick to a deal with Iran.
Lavrov making US give an agreement in writing that it would not sanction Russia Iran trade is screwing Iran?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 1:09 utc | 304

Name hijackers are showing up here. Big time.

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 6 2022 1:10 utc | 305

B: The Russian military will destroy the militia formations like the Right Sector and the Azov battalion which is currently holding the people of Mariupol as hostages. It will try to get all their leaders – dead or alive. When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine. Being freed from powerful fascists will enable Ukrainian politicians to re-institute sane policies. That’s the plan. But will it work? That is probably the wrong question. One should ask to what degree and for how long will it work. After Ukraine’s independence it took the ‘ultranationalists’ 22 years, and the help of the CIA, to come to power. Once eliminated they may claw back, but it will take them some time. The Ukraine will be busy with reviving its economy. It will have little money to spend on arms. Thirty years later Russia may see a repeat of the confrontation. But 30 years are quite a long time.
Absolutely spot on. This is exactly what I’ve been saying – and recommending that Russia do – since 2014.
But I believe it goes further than that, as I’ve indicated in other posts. Russia will have a more or less compliant Ukraine with a new Constitution banning NATO and banning neo-Nazi parties and militias. Many of the oligarchs may also be eliminated as Russia would prefer a less corrupt Ukraine susceptible to causing problems. Further, I agree with Scott Ritter that Russia will arrange for Ukraine to host Russian strategic weapons – along with Belarus – in order to counter the US weapons in Poland and Romania.
And this may only be the first step in Russia’s “military-technical measures” to counter the US and NATO.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:12 utc | 306

I am reading at ZH where Z did a zoom type meeting on Saturday with 300 US congresscritters and is asking for more planes or no fly zone and stop Russia from being able to use Visa/Mastercard
I think that latter has happened already and the posting said something about $10 billion to Ukraine from empire’s rape of US public coffers….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 1:13 utc | 307

Beware – shocking video.
But explains why only half a dozen civilians have been able to escape Mariupol along the humanitarian corridor set up by Russian military.
A couple are driving through outskirts along the announced “corridor”.
They find a couple of cars on side of road with doors open.
The passengers – families with children – all executed by shots to the head.
The man tries to lend first aid.
His wife is shouting in the background.
Shots ring out. She is allegedly killed.
He charges into the dark off the roadside.
Allegedly he makes it to safety and his phone video is released.
Story is it is the work of Azov Battalion that have ruled over Mariupol since 2014.
Using the locals as human shields.
It does NOT look staged at all.
See: https://t.me/intelslava/21396

Posted by: PJB | Mar 6 2022 1:14 utc | 308

Peter AU1 @365–
Yes, there’s no need for the Russians to act rashly. I know they’ve already compiled a list of weak points to attack. IMO, it depends on how brutal they decide to be. As Hudson notes, there’s going to be a lot of opportunity for Russia and China to come to the aid of the Global South along with the opportunity to break NATO. IMO, there’ll be some Russian-Chinese collaboration on the who and what on the hit list. We haven’t discussed it much, but Japan’s militarism is escalating in a dangerous manner, and it joined the sanctions train.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 1:17 utc | 309

Posted by: james | Mar 5 2022 17:19 utc | 5
“How does this get altered?”
1) New Ukrainian Constitution banning neo-Nazi parties and their militias.
2) Physical elimination of current neo-Nazis – this is what the Chechens are for. Russia has the list of at least 5,000 names, according to Pepe Escobar.
3) Russia installs military bases in Ukraine with Russian strategic weapons. Along with them comes the Russian SVR, GRU, and FSB. Any neo-Nazi organization will be detected and eliminated covertly before it can grow.
4) Russia will assist Ukraine in rebuilding its economy, thus improving ordinary Ukrainians lives, making them less susceptible to trouble-making. Note: Not “nation-building” like the US tries to do.
As b says, this may not work in the long run. If so, rinse and repeat. I think it’s doable, but in any event it’s the best that can be done.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:18 utc | 310

One off deal on energy contract in The Netherlands …
In the evening news, a spokesperson of Essent stated it was not possible to offer new energy contract of a short- or long-term deal. All new contracts will be based on flexible pricing. Today’s price natural gas the consumer will be charged 3 Euros per cubic meter.
In terms of the mid January deal I made, already at a raised cost of €370,- per month, my bill today would be €800, a month.
In last week’s poll 80% of Dutch backed NATO and the EU on a tough stance towards Russia and Gazprom. City council are paying legal fees to end their Gazprom contracts. Feeling good. The people in the poll are willing to pay the price of higher energy bills … I see the convoy of trucks heading towards The Hague in a few weeks time.
I was aware stupid people do not deserve democracy … but such a massive number?

Posted by: Oui | Mar 6 2022 1:18 utc | 311

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 1:01 utc | 364
A good enough virtual representation of ukie style tactics.
If you’re not winning, try to force feed atlanticist dogma, if that doesn’t work, make life miserable for the locals.
If you do win, keep doing the same.
I guess I must repent and pay lip service to Kiev as all the ciil kids are doing:
A gyid enïugh virtual representatyin if ukïe style tactics.
If yiu’re nit winning, try ti firce feed atlanticist digma, if that dyisn’t wirk, make life miserable fir the licals.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 1:19 utc | 312

Posted by: too scents | Mar 5 2022 17:42 utc | 18
That’s why Russia will welcome the new CIA neo-Nazi battalions being created in Poland. “Kill them there before we have to kill them here.” The more neo-Nazis from Europe and jihadists from the Middle East flood to Ukraine, the more dweebs get to be waxed. “Wax on, wax off.” Putin has laid a trap for the neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Perfect judo move from the black belt.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:22 utc | 313

Please explain to me Brownie: If Ukraine is controlled by nazis, how the fuck did a Jew get elected?
Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:20 utc | 110
Please explain how Otto Skorzeny (Hitler’s preferred SS) became after WWII an arm trader and some Mossad agent.
May be it has to do with Zionism being indistinguishable from fascism?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 6 2022 1:23 utc | 314

“Ukraine has prompted the worst informational environment ever. We hope readers will collaborate in mitigating the fog of war”
In now way does the Ukraine have any military, financial or media power. ALL of this is at the behest of the Brutal US Hegemonic power that’s using Ze to fight a way against the US. Wake up!

Posted by: Rubicon | Mar 6 2022 1:25 utc | 315

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 5 2022 19:29 utc | 75
As I said, I believe Putin will not allow Galicia to escape this de-Nazification program.
As for the Nazis hidden in the population – without a party or militia, banned by a new Constitution, what can they do? Vote Nazism into the government? Not likely against the votes of the rest of Ukraine. Any hidden organizations will be detected and covertly removed by the SVR, GRU and FSB who will be involved with the Russian bases that will be installed in Ukraine.
You don’t have to arrest or kill everyone with an opposite opinion. You just have to neuter their ability to function on a significant scale. This is what every state does – including the US.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:28 utc | 316

Posted by: Andres | Mar 5 2022 18:55 utc | 54
“What happens to a guy like him if captured? Could people like him be executed ipso facto?”
If they run into the Chechens, they will. Russians might be nicer – just imprison them for life. But Russia has already warned they won’t be treated as soldiers but as terrorists.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:31 utc | 317

As soon as Russia vacuums up the scum in Ukraine, the world will move on..

Posted by: x | Mar 6 2022 1:34 utc | 318

As soon as Russia vacuums up the scum in Ukraine, the world will move on..

Posted by: x | Mar 6 2022 1:34 utc | 319

Hey.
Hey, listen.
Can you hear that?
No?
No, you can’t.
That’s the sound of Chechens hunting nazi scum in the night.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 1:34 utc | 320

Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:25 utc | 114
So you support the actions of the Nazi death squads in Ukraine?
Do you acknowledge the existence of these groups in Ukraine?
Do you acknowledge the fact they’re responsible for killings of ethnic Russians?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 1:35 utc | 321

From Tass:
Russia’s Armed Forces have destroyed a total of 2,119 targets of Ukraine’s military infrastructure during the special operation, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Saturday.
“A total of 2,119 targets of Ukraine’s military infrastructure have been hit during the operation. Among them are 74 command posts and communication points of the Ukrainian Armed Forces; 108 air defense missile systems of S-300, Buk-M1 and Osa, as well as 68 radar stations,” he said at a briefing.
Konashenkov added that 69 aircraft on the ground and 21 more in midair, 748 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 76 multiple rocket launchers, 274 pieces of field artillery and mortars, 532 pieces of special military vehicles and 59 drones were destroyed.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:37 utc | 322

@ all; something felt very threatened today. You’ve all succeeded in being relevant. kudos b….

Posted by: y | Mar 6 2022 1:39 utc | 323

@ karlof1 | Mar 5 2022 23:06 utc | 271… thanks… i thought it was an important statement lavrov made…. i appreciate your posts.
@ Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:18 utc | 373.. thanks richard.. i think that is going to be a lot of work as both you and b note.. we’ll see…
ignore the shit and stay focused on the positives of why you come to moa… you know what they are… responding to the shit adds to the shit..

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 1:39 utc | 324

Well, they removed RT from Roku and DirectTV in the US.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/05/the-predictable-demise-of-rt-america/
Hope they don’t start coming for individual websites.
https://thesaker.is/sitrep-how-to-access-rt-com/

Posted by: Joe | Mar 6 2022 1:40 utc | 325

fwiw –
“”Tenth day of the military operation. The main thing:
▪️ a silence regime was introduced in Mariupol and Volnovakha and humanitarian corridors were opened for the evacuation of civilians — but no one arrived through them, only a few dozen managed to escape under fire
▪️ The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the nationalists do not release residents and use the silence regime to strengthen their positions, due to the unwillingness of the Ukrainian side to influence the nationalists or extend the silence regime, offensive operations were resumed
▪️ despite the failure of the evacuation from Mariupol, the Ukrainian authorities said they were preparing humanitarian corridors from Sumy, Kharkiv, Kherson and from the suburbs of Kyiv
▪️ Putin said that there are no plans to introduce a military or other special situation in Russia, and conscripts and those who are called up for training will not be involved in a military operation
▪️ Putin also said that the destruction of the military infrastructure in Ukraine, including aviation and air defense, is almost completed, and that there are many different options for the demilitarization of Ukraine, they are on the negotiating table with Kiev
▪️ the next round of talks between Russia and Ukraine may take place on March 7, they said in Kyiv
▪️ it became known that a member of the first delegation at the negotiations with Russia Kireev was killed, this was confirmed by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, one of the Ukrainian deputies said that Kireev was killed during the arrest of the SBU
▪️ Zelensky told Erdoğan about his readiness to meet with Putin in Istanbul or Ankara, Erdogan informed Putin about this, said a representative of the Turkish president, tomorrow in Ankara they expect a new conversation between Erdogan and Putin
▪️ Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Bennet, who arrived in Moscow, whom Zelensky asked for mediation, discussed Ukraine in the Kremlin, after Bennet phoned Zelensky and flew to negotiate with Scholz”
on this thread – https://t.me/s/QVINTAAETAS/

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 1:42 utc | 326

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 5 2022 21:33 utc | 173
Always use the time stamp like I do. However, even if the numbers change, they still point you close to the target, so you can find it. But without the time stamp, it’s harder. The problem is just referring to the number in a response. Then other people can’t tell who you’re responding to.
MoA Navigation Nazi

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:42 utc | 327

Posted by: watcher | Mar 5 2022 21:02 utc | 151
Disagree. I think this military operation was designed in 2014 – if not before – and updated every year since, just like most militaries do with possible future enemies. The US once had a plan to invade Canada – and for I know, they still do.
Then the operational plan was updated again in spring, 2021, when Ukraine moved its forces to the contact line. Then again in November, 2021.
As for the reach of the plan, I now believe that the plan was designed to enable Russia to resolve the Ukraine issue completely, including de-Nazification and de-militarization. Exactly when that was added to the plan I don’t know, but it wasn’t in the last month, that’s for sure. People who think there is anything “on the fly” in this operation are delusional.
Now I believe a new plan has been designed over the past year – if not before – which is being implemented, of which the Ukraine operation is but the first step. This plan is intended to either counter NATO, or, if necessary, to break NATO. I have no idea what it entails. More importantly, NATO probably doesn’t, either. Some people think Syria might be the next move – or Poland and Romania. Who knows?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:51 utc | 328

As much as I hope B is right in his conclusion all signs point to something radically different and really scary :
” The Russian military will destroy the militia formations like the Right Sector and the Azov battalion which is currently holding the people of Mariupol as hostages. It will try to get all their leaders – dead or alive.
When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine.
Being freed from powerful fascists will enable Ukrainian politicians to re-institute sane policies.”
The plans of Western 3 letter agencies have been going counter this conclusion since months already. After having financed and trained Muslim terrorism the CIA has started to use white supremacy to do the dirty work while accusing Russia of being the instigator ! And these last few days the Western mainstream media has started to announce “The Globalization of White Supremacy”…
In other words to comprehend the vengeful hatred that is being spewed around today we have to dig deeper in human cognition and the formation of daily culture. But that is too long a matter for a comment… See my last article at The mainstream media announces “Deal with it : Dualism drives the thinking of Western minds “.

Posted by: laodan | Mar 6 2022 1:51 utc | 329

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 21:00 utc | 149
RT.com is still up for me in San Francisco, although it occasionally pops up a DDoS-Guard prompt before loading.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:53 utc | 330

Posted by: B | Mar 5 2022 22:18 utc | 215
LOL Good one, B!

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:54 utc | 331

Posted by: Cabe | Mar 5 2022 22:18 utc | 217
Extremely doubtful. I could see billions of deaths. Extinction, no. There are nearly eight billion people on the planet, some in places that are really hard to reach and who are mostly self-sufficient. Nuclear winter won’t be worse than previous climate fluctuations.
I agree that the living standard will be kicked into a cocked hat. Civilization might be extinct on a global scale at worst. But no actual species extinction. Humans are like cockroaches – they always find a way to survive.
The only thing I imagine could render the species extinct would be some sort of airborne nanotech weapon that attacks the human genome in its entirely – or a biological equivalent. Mere war is highly unlikely to do it. Neither is total disruption of the supply chain, as some “experts” speculate.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:02 utc | 332

@c1ue
Oh, i’ve been here before. under various nicks that b has throttled or banned outright. And yet the hysterical bloodthirsty Circe persists.
Tells me everything I need to know. YMMV of course.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:03 utc | 333

@ Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 1:35 utc | 384:
Gee, as if you had to ask .. :-;

Posted by: malenkob | Mar 6 2022 2:07 utc | 334

Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2022 22:56 utc | 256
Missed that. Well, I hope it is the real b, in any case. “Clean up on aisle 4, b!”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:08 utc | 335

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:46 utc | 246
Thanks for the nuclear-winter debunking links. EMP effects have been similarly debunked IIRC.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:10 utc | 336

@ Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:08 utc | 399.. there has been a lot of ”name” hijacking on this thread…. very obvious too..

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 2:11 utc | 337

it is the same thing some of the ukees are doing in eastern ukraine – wearing russian uniforms when they are part of azov… same deal..

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 2:15 utc | 338

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:33 utc | 234
Correct on Ritter. He’s still an “American patriot” – just not a stupid one. That’s why he’s the best representative of the realist crowd because he can’t be accused of being a “Putin puppet” – not that they don’t try. Plus it’s hard to disparage his military service record. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to emphasize his legal problems over allegedly propositioning underage females – which, for the record, I consider it likely he was set up. I haven’t seen the actual court records, which probably wouldn’t help in any event. Not that I would care even if he did. Everyone has quirks. Pore into the leaders of nations and see what one finds.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:17 utc | 339

james #390

▪️ Zelensky told Erdoğan about his readiness to meet with Putin in Istanbul or Ankara, Erdogan informed Putin about this, said a representative of the Turkish president, tomorrow in Ankara they expect a new conversation between Erdogan and Putin
▪️ Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Bennet, who arrived in Moscow, whom Zelensky asked for mediation, discussed Ukraine in the Kremlin, after Bennet phoned Zelensky and flew to negotiate with Scholz”

Thank you and I had to put my drink down before I laughed my arse off.
So Bayraktar Beryl who supplied drones ready equipped with gear to carry CBW to attack Russian soldiers and Ukraine civilians thinks he has the ‘neutrality’ to convene a meeting between the sides?
And then
Zio Bennet who comes from apartheid motherland with a history of dubious negotiations/relations with nazi and totalitarian regimes, flies to Moscow to ?? what ?? negotiate the freedom of hostage civilians OR perhaps just the zion elite for ‘safe passage’ to the homeland he has stolen from Palestine?
Putin would need a good shower after meeting either of these two.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 2:18 utc | 340

Peter AU1 #134 i have been able to access the russian foreign ministry until today. no longer.
b. i beseech you to get rid of the trolls.

Posted by: annie | Mar 6 2022 2:18 utc | 341

Posted by: W Dollars Haught | Mar 6 2022 0:14 utc | 317
“Perhaps Zelenskyy is not on drugs but being drugged???”
Good point. Not that we would know the difference, unfortunately.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:21 utc | 342

james @ 401::
… which is for the site owner to fix; but more likely he’ll just ban types like me and call it a day.
Enjoy Circe’s continued unhinged rants. They seem to be site-approved.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:21 utc | 343

@ uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 2:18 utc | 404… good point! those turkish drones being redesigned to carry chemical sprays over the donbass , make turkey a real great place to have a peace negotiation… zelenskys idea, or the cia’s idea i guess… hopefully the borscht is good at the usa embassy in poland… this is going to be like the leader of yemen operating from an embassy in saudi arabia…. they will try selling that to the world soon, i’m sure..

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 2:23 utc | 344

@ malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:21 utc | 408… be constructive in yours posts, and forget about what others are, or aren’t doing.. stay positive..

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 2:24 utc | 345

laodan #393

In other words to comprehend the vengeful hatred that is being spewed around today we have to dig deeper in human cognition and the formation of daily culture. But that is too long a matter for a comment… See my last article at The mainstream media announces “Deal with it : Dualism drives the thinking of Western minds “.

Thank you, the entire western program is a CIA controlled operation from start to finish and the vengeful hatred mass formation has been a perpetual motion machine to divide we, the people.
I will be pleased to read your link. Stay well.
Posted by:

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 2:24 utc | 346

Posted by: Saggy | Mar 6 2022 0:43 utc | 343
Palast is mostly into US electoral and Iraqi oil shenanigans. He’s not a foreign policy expert or a military expert. Not too surprising he hasn’t figured out Putin’s game plan.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:26 utc | 347

BabesOfAeroflot @ 406:
Everyone knows—certainly the Iranians know — that an agreement with the USA means nothing.
Point?

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:26 utc | 348

james @ 410:
There are times when a positive attitude is advantageous or even life-affirming.
This is not one of them.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:30 utc | 349

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 0:49 utc | 350
Agree completely. From various analyses on the Web, including yours, I’m beginning to get the outlines of Russia and China’s overall plan, but it’s not yet clear enough for me to verbalize it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:30 utc | 350

bubbles @ 303
Very true but it appears to me from the interviews he knows the marching orders. “We lost but we will live again to fight another day” paraphrased.
Circe @ 309
I can’t stand Bolton, but you definitely aroused my curiosity describing the interview as tame. Can you post me the link?
I despise him as well. It was a live interview so someone is going to have to cut it up. The feed is a live one. It was way out of character for him. Never seen anything like it.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 6 2022 2:31 utc | 351

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 1:42 utc | 391
Do the links attached to the post numbers still point to the posts after renumbering, or do they stay with the numbers?

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 2:32 utc | 352

Posted by: BabesOfAeroflot | Mar 6 2022 0:37 utc | 339 — are there more posts ?? you just can’t stop going off, can you? I must have triggered you bad, hahahaha! cobo

Posted by: cobo | Mar 6 2022 2:35 utc | 353

@Oui #364
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to polls. They are manipulable in so many ways – not least being that a lot of them are internet based.
Pay attention to the next elections instead.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 2:35 utc | 354

Poor BabesOfAeroflot. Someone stole his translator from Diplomaticspeak.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:36 utc | 355

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 1:39 utc | 388
“ignore the shit and stay focused on the positives of why you come to moa… you know what they are… responding to the shit adds to the shit..”
Gotcha. Thanks.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:39 utc | 356

c1ue @ 421:
Elections are meaningless. Only corporatist predator parties are allowed to compete; in the rare event that others are allowed, they have either been coopted or guaranteed a meaningless and tinyshare.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:40 utc | 357

I find it humorous that we have some new barflies that posit that Russia is putting the Iran talks at risk with demands that it economic relationship with Iran not be impacted by the latest empire sanctions.
A bit of projection it seems but then what do you expect from exceptionals and their rules based order

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 2:41 utc | 358

@Richard Steven Hack #400
It isn’t that nuclear winter cannot possibly occur.
It is that both the assumptions on weapons used and the assumptions on amount of smoke/ash are invalid: the former because nobody uses 1+ megaton warheads anymore and the latter just plain exaggeration by over 400%.
Brings to mind another “consensus science” much in the news…
As for EMP: again, EMP is real.
However, the amount of power necessary to cause actual widespread EMP damage is quite a lot. A huge solar event could do it, maybe the right nukes detonated in atmosphere in the right spots – but even then the primary damage would be to the power grid transformers. The US’ electrical infrastructure is right on par with its bridges, roads etc – which is another reason why “alternative energy” without a truly massive and society wide crusade (literally) is a pipe dream.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 2:42 utc | 359

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:39 utc | 423… thanks richard.. that was for everyone and not directed at you specifically… i would suggest that those who aren’t following this are a clear signal to stay away from engaging or responding to…

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 2:42 utc | 360

@b , my Sunday penance, picking out troll posts and nick hijacks:
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Note sure about this hopely person, seems to be posting in Klingon:
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Should be good with:
for i in `cat list.txt|cut -d ‘|’ -f 3`;do echo “deleting $i” – $(somethinglike(DELETE * FROM posts WHERE ID = $i));done

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 2:44 utc | 361

psychohistorian@425
WTF are you talking about? All we’re saying is that the West is not agreement-capable.
Argue the contrary if you will or can.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:45 utc | 362

@malenkov #424
What you say applies to normal times because most people are just going about their lives and are not paying attention.
However, these aren’t normal times. People are having their lives visibly and painfully disrupted.
I’m not saying all of the Western European governments are going to get changed, but I fully agree with b that at least a few of them will.
Time will tell.
In any case, your viewpoint is moot.
If you’re right – nothing but outright revolution or military takeover will work in which case get your Max Max packs ready.
If you’re wrong, however, you are going to be missing major societal trends.
The inflation/commodity super cycle that has already begun is just one example: all those people who bought the big SUVs in the past 2 years are probably not too happy right now.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 2:48 utc | 363

Arch @ 428 (for now)
That is what they call a ‘yeoman’s job’… cheers!

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 6 2022 2:48 utc | 364

Arch Bungle @ 428:
Excellent cleanup. My compliments.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:49 utc | 365

Posted by: BabesOfAeroflot | Mar 6 2022 2:19 utc | 406
The JCPOA negotiations were NEVER “near a deal.” That was bullcrap promoted by both sides in the MSM – although the US always qualified it by simultaneously saying it the deal wasn’t made soon, they would walk away.
I’ve seen this first hand over at Antiwar.com. It drive me nuts. Every. Single. Day. – except yesterday for some reason – they “report” that “the deal is near – as long as the US agrees to sanctions relief and a guarantee.” Well, for the past year that’s been the Iranian demand. If they haven’t got those details agreed to by now, exactly what has been agreed to indicate “the deal is near.”
It’s bullshit. In reality, the two sides are as far apart as they ever wear on the core Iranian demands. Then on top of that, the US at the last minutes throws in “hey, can we get our Western prisoners back in a prisoner swap”?
And you think Russia is screwing the deal? Against a country that Russia considers at least half an ally? Seriously?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:49 utc | 366

Thanks, b, for your opening article. And also karlof1 – I believe I did read and comment on the joint speech of Putin and Xi. Plus others have brought up the factors that make this partnership good for both. We are all somewhat harried, and I do wish if folk are bothered by the mosquitos, they follow b’s advice and contact him by email, documenting the attacks. We don’t want to wear him out.
I’m sorry, but when I see someone answering one of those, or indeed if a post is too long, I just scroll on through. I apologize if I’m missing worthy posts, but please for newcomers who aren’t trying to push our buttons, be patient. This will all get sorted out. Meanwhile, stay calm everyone. Peaceful, interesting posts will get noticed; we promise.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 6 2022 2:49 utc | 367

Those who have long loved Novorossia will want to know this:

Vladimir Zhoga, born in Slavyansk, took over command of the Sparta Battalion after Arseny “Motorola” Pavlov was killed. — https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1500152446626283522

And now:

Last footage of Zhoga. He’s telling relatives of Volnovakha residents, who asked him to get their loved ones out of the fighting, that he will do that. Thirty minutes later he went to fulfill his promise. An hour and a half later he was KIA. — https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1500157387340238851

He was overseeing the evacuation from Volnovakha in Donetsk Oblast, when Sparta was hit by Ukies.
~~
May be redundant news, sorry if duplicated, I’m not reading these threads. Just happened on that news and it struck me as so…Donbass. Rest in Power, as they say.
I figured some here would want to know that.

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 6 2022 2:51 utc | 368

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 2:32 utc | 419
I don’t think they do, but frankly I don’t know because I’ve never used the numbers to find posts. I just use them visually.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:52 utc | 369

Hey Rick Rubles just because you don’t agree with all the opinions posted here doesn’t mean that your perspective is “the truth”.
No Zelensky is not himself a Nazi but it’s hardly controversial that actual Nazis exist in the Ukrainian government and military and have more influence than their numbers might suggest.
Jews and Nazis/fascists are not as incompatible as you might think. It’s not 1945 anymore and dynamics have changed.
More often than not people who cry “whataboutery!” are allergic to context. If you disagree with an argument or opinion challenge it with facts (if you can) and stop it with the silly performative posturing and internet tough act.
Play the ball not the man.

Posted by: Occasional Poster | Mar 6 2022 2:53 utc | 370

This is a thread worthy of the former z/h. Democracy can be messy. Thanks B, for the entertainment. And thanks to our new friends, the roubles.
Still, Ukraine/US/UK is getting their ass kicked and high time.

Posted by: jared | Mar 6 2022 2:53 utc | 371

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 2:42 utc | 426
Yes, I agree. That’s what I mean by “debunked” – that the effects are not proven to be as important as claimed. Obviously some effects will occur.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 2:55 utc | 372

c1ue @ 430
…and thosr SUV drivers skew authoritarian-fascist
.
You had a point?…

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:55 utc | 373

@ malenkov | Mar 6 2022 2:45 utc | 429 with some call out
I am the MoA barfly that keeps pounding the public/private finance drum and posits all this proxy conflict shit is about that core social component.
I would posit that the West is not wanting totally sovereign public finance examples to make their God of Mammon private finance social order look bad…does that answer your obfuscatory agreement capable question?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 2:55 utc | 374

notice the flaws in my name being hijacked @ 435?

Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 2:57 utc | 375

On a different note regarding Gonzale Lira, I get an odd vibe from this man. He seems far too calm to be in a war zone in a city where violent Nazis are still in charge. Is he truly just an accidental tourist? It seems far fetched. I know he is saying all the “right” things so I might be completely off base.

Posted by: K | Mar 6 2022 3:00 utc | 376

Local NA MSM tonight touting the virtues of NATO countries providing fighter planes to Ukraine. Completely oblivious to the realities and there being no interest from countries that could provide Soviet built aircraft, but they trotted out some wanker to spew his expert opinion anyway and then they trotted out Ms. Lindsey Graham advocating the same. No mention of his off the reservation comment about assassinating Putin of course. Even the unusual tide of Western condemnation of his statement was ignored.
Mustn’t trouble the plebs with truth and reality wot?
It’s a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
No hard feelings if I never come back
It’s a very strange world and I thank you, Master Jack
You taught me all the things the way you’d like them to be
But I’d like to see if other people agree
It’s all very int’resting the way you disguise
But I’d like to see the world through my own eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WvXpyufT8

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 3:01 utc | 377

psychohistorian @ 443:
I might agree if i could figure out WTF you were talking about.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 3:02 utc | 378

Ricky Rubbles likes to spam post anti-jewish screeds, his objective is to set the site up for accusations of ‘anti-semitism’:
Any posts like these can be deleted off the bat:
Posted by: james | Mar 6 2022 2:51 utc | 435
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 2:56 utc | 444
Putin’s “Empire of Lies” is in full mobilization.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 3:05 utc | 379

Grieved @ 436:
Many thanks for the (real) news. Here’s hoping Zhoga is even stricter than his predecessor!

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 3:05 utc | 380

@ james | Mar 6 2022 2:57 utc | 445 with the call out of moniker spoofing
Yes, it didn’t read like a normal james comment
People that cannot engage with others directly and clearly project some serious social hurt….it says much more about them than those they are attacking.
They disrespect b, other commenters here and themselves in ways they can’t comprehend.
The dog barks and the caravan moves on…..this to will pass

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 3:10 utc | 381

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 22:52 utc | 253
Perhaps they might put novachok in his underpants!

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 3:15 utc | 382

looks like b will have to set up up a permanent troll patrol for these interesting times. Match email addys to usernames. Thread is mostly fucked now with these clowns using everyone’s usernames.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 3:17 utc | 383

: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 3:16 utc | 459
Don’t respond to trolls.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 3:22 utc | 384

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 0:38 utc | 341
@b , my Sunday penance, picking out troll posts and nick hijacks:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 2:44 utc | 428
Good grief man, get a life or a cat maybe. I have one and she is good company. A bit saucy by times but I like a spirited female. Makes life more interesting, enough so I don’t have to compile lists.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 3:24 utc | 385

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 3:19 utc | 461
Ricky Rubbles, like all the zombies that have been cleaned from this site before, you too will vanish from the page of time.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 3:25 utc | 386

Misotheist 325
That wasn’t me at not-Circe 269 post you POS.

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 3:25 utc | 387

@ Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 3:17 utc | 460 with the call for troll patrol
I disagree
I have been at the MoA bar for over a decade. I believe instances like this are rare and reflective of the crazy around us today. I am proud of having participated mostly congenially in a consistent self patrolling environment that MoA has been. I would hate to see that thrown out because of a spate of disruptive attention. If it continues with the intent of degrading the MoA experience and is more than b wants to manage, I expect him to do what he needs to do for his health, mental and physical…..most who come here do not show the respect I think b deserves for the content and forum he has consistently provided
Thanks b for Moon of Alabama

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 3:28 utc | 388

Has Mom told the name jackers to go to bed?

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 6 2022 3:30 utc | 389

Has Mom told the name jackers to go to bed?

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 6 2022 3:30 utc | 390

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 3:26 utc | 466
Ricky Rubbles, this is a 15 minute job for me.
For you it may take an entire day, but I can do this on the beach.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 3:32 utc | 391

It seems every now and again I have to make the point that Anthropogenic Climate Change is real, but this time its not that. It is that the Nuclear Winter Hypothesis has not been debunked and it is still a very real possibility. I have provided links below to the very recent research on these topics. If anyone wants to provide actual real recent science from actual real scientists who study climate from actual real scientific journals etc. I am happy to engage, anything else is just amateur speculation or outright BS.
Even a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India could trigger a nuclear war, as the first study shows. The result of even a medium-scale nuclear war is highly probable to be like the movie “The Road”. Anyone talking about “limited nuclear war’ is in Dr. Strangelove territory.
P.S. The Gulf War oil fires are irrelevant as they did not cause the updraft that a volcanic explosion or nuclear bomb provides that thrusts ash etc. into the stratosphere. And we have had climate anomalies in the history of the Earth that wiped out 90% of all life on Earth (the Permian extinction [hot house] and snowball earth [ice house]), the Earth will recover as usual, just without us.
The Earth is like the story of the Three Bears with respect to human civilization and possibly survival as a species, too hot bad, too cold bad, just right (the Holocene) good. Not clever to see how far we can push before we leave the just right zone.
https://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/IndiaPakistanBullAtomSci.pdf
https://eos.org/articles/nuclear-winter-may-bring-a-decade-of-destruction
https://astronomy.com/news/2019/04/the-story-of-snowball-earth

Posted by: Roger | Mar 6 2022 3:33 utc | 392

Uke / US paid trolls reduced to infantile games on small blog sites stinks of desperation.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 3:33 utc | 393

Azov battalion in Ukraine are reportedly holding civilians as hostages.
Russian advance are hampered by their stringent rule of engagement to avoid civilian casualties.
What with the west crying a river over alleged ‘war crimes’.
The gringo, pommies etc, who sniffed that ‘we dont do collateral damages count‘, are gleefully keeping a daily tally of children, women, teachers, cats, dogs allegedly killed by ‘indiscriminate Russian attack’ .
sob sob….
Recall that,
During the attack on Mosul, Iraq
Indiscriminate bombing was the norm.
Rescuers counted 531 civilians casualties in one air strike.
Here;s Gen gawdsend

We probably had a role in those casualties,”
But, “the enemy had a hand in this too” there was no reason for civilians to have congregated inside buildings targeted by US warplanes other than their being exploited as “human shields.”

Civilians are fair game when they found themselves in the company of terrorists/insurgents, [1]
Got that ?
Mind you,
FUKUSA are the ‘gold standard’ for ‘international law’…
Surely if its good for uncle joe its good for uncle ivan./wang ..NO ?
[1]
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/03/29/mosu-m29.html

Posted by: denk | Mar 6 2022 3:34 utc | 394

Arch Bungle – whoa there tiger, my post at 349 or so was actually me. I was responding to another barfly.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 3:37 utc | 395

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 3:28 utc | 468
Agreed, its never been this bad – especially the hijacking of people’s usernames and the level of pure spamming. We live in crazy times. lets hope the lunatics are placed back in the asylum by. the grown ups soon. They should start with the Blinken and Sullivan idiot psychopath duo.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 6 2022 3:37 utc | 396

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 3:37 utc | 478
Sorry. But it’s hard to tell since you don’t include at least one line of context from the post you’re responding to. Try at least including the reference to the post you’re responding to.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 3:43 utc | 397

Bring on the war crimes. I love war crimes.
Posted by: denk | Mar 6 2022 3:36 utc | 476
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That wasnt me.

Posted by: denk | Mar 6 2022 3:43 utc | 398

Posted by: denk | Mar 6 2022 3:43 utc | 482
Clearly. No need to defend yourself,this stuff is so obvious it can be picked out at a glance.
Ricky Rubbles and his fellow orcs have basically admitted their failure to alter the narrative in favour of the Empire of Lies.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 3:47 utc | 399

fyi
Mearsheimer is a real scholar, and well respected. cancel culture is idiocy.
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1500192254887022593
President, @CSPICenterOrg. Fellow, Defense Priorities.
“University of Chicago students circulating a letter calling for the cancellation of John Mearsheimer over “Putinism,” “anti-Ukrainian ideology,” and spreading Russian disinformation like that there was a coup in 2014 and it included fascists.
Apparently some people think you need to call for firing for it to be a cancellation. Ridiculous. Gathering a mob to have a university denounce a scholar for his views and demanding he “clarify” his views (he can’t be more clear) to the mob falls under the same umbrella….”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 6 2022 3:49 utc | 400