Zelensky And The Fascists: “He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk”

March 5, 2022

Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism states:

Lambert and I both find this is the worst informational environment either of us have faced, orders of magnitude worse than the war in Iraq, …

and:

Dear patient readers,

Lambert and I, and many readers, agree that Ukraine has prompted the worst informational environment ever. We hope readers will collaborate in mitigating the fog of war – both real fog and stage fog – in comments. None of us need more cheerleading and link-free repetition of memes; there are platforms for that.

I ask readers and commentators here to live by the same standard. There are too many comments now for me to read and police. Please notify me via email if there are certain trolls or offenders who deserve to be excluded from this site.

Now back to Ukraine and the big question: Why is Russia doing this?

At the Grayzone Alexander Rubinstein and Max Blumenthal have published a piece about Zelensky's turn from the peacemaker he had promised to be before his election to an active supporter of the fascist 'ultranational' militia. They pin that turn to a frontline meeting between Zelensky and militia fighters in the fall of 2019:

In a face-to-face confrontation with militants from the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who had launched a campaign to sabotage the peace initiative called “No to Capitulation,” Zelensky encountered a wall of obstinacy.

With appeals for disengagement from the frontlines firmly rejected, Zelensky melted downon camera. “I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons,” Zelensky implored the fighters.
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Once video of the stormy confrontation spread across Ukrainian social media channels, Zelensky became the target of an angry backlash.

Andriy Biletsky, the proudly fascist Azov Battalion leader who once pledged to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen”, vowed to bring thousands of fighters to Zolote if Zelensky pressed any further. Meanwhile, a parliamentarian from the party of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko openly fantasized about Zelensky being blown to bits by a militant’s grenade.

Though Zelensky achieved a minor disengagement, the neo-Nazi paramilitaries escalated their “No Capitulation” campaign. And within months, fighting began to heat up again in Zolote, sparking a new cycle of violations of the Minsk Agreement.

By this point, Azov had been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and its street vigilante wing, known as the National Corps, was deployed across the country under the watch of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, and alongside the National Police. In December 2021, Zelensky would be seen delivering a “Hero of Ukraine” award to a leader of the fascistic Right Sector in a ceremony in Ukraine’s parliament.

That is all correct. But let me point out that death threats from the fascists to Zelensky were already made much earlier.

On May 27 2019, a week after Zelensky's inauguration as president, the Ukrainian internet news site Obozrevatel published a long interview with Dmytro Anatoliyovych Yarosh, a co-founder of the Right Sector who was then the commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army. Yarosh and others like him have had little support when they tried to get elected to parliament but they, as demonstrated during Maidan, have the guns and the will to use them.

I now get an 'access denied' when I try to fetch the original interview but found a copy at archive.org.

The headline of the interview carries his main message (machine translations):

Yarosh: if Zelensky betrays Ukraine, he will lose not his position, but his life

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As the interview is quite long I will concentrate on two parts. Zelensky had promised peace and to implement the Minsk agreement. Here is Yarosh's thought about Minsk:

Interviewer: What do you mean?

Yarosh: The Minsk format – and I talk about this all the time – is an opportunity to play for time, arm the Armed Forces, switch to the best world standards in the system of national security and defense. This is an opportunity for maneuver. But no more. The implementation of the Minsk agreements is the death of our state. They are not worth a drop of blood of the guys and girls, men and women who died in this war. Not a drop.

We were better prepared during this diplomatic game for a possible large-scale Russian invasion.

I: Do you think it's time to abandon "Minsk"?

Y: Undoubtedly.

I: But Zelensky was told immediately after the elections that he had no alternatives.

Y: "They told Zelensky" … Did Zelensky say anything at all?

I: Not.

Y: And it's scary. The Supreme Commander, who says nothing at all. It's kind of empty. And it's very strange.

I: Waiting for what the newly elected president will say?

Y: Not only. Let's fight and get ready. We are waiting for what he will say and, most importantly, how he will act. "By their fruits you will know them," says Scripture. "Fruits" we will see somewhere in the fall. Zelensky is an inexperienced politician. And the retinue makes the king. And we already see who is there, "in the retinue", is beginning to appear. It does not add optimism. Because Zelensky promised his voters (I was not Zelensky's voter) that he would break the oligarchic system. But already from the first appointments, we see that the oligarchic system continues to live and flourish. And, obviously, it will continue to be so. Just the streams will be transferred.

To the 'ultranationalists' in the Ukraine the Minsk agreement was always just a fig-leaf to have time for rearming. In 2019, five years after Minsk, they already felt capable and ready to again attack and overwhelm the Donbas rebels.

Yarosh's remark about Zelensky and the oligarchs is not wrong. The streams of money sucked from Ukrainians and foreign donors were redirected under Zelensky to benefit those oligarchs, most prominently Igor Kolomoyskyy, who had supported him.

The interviewer then asks Yarosh about his relation to Kolomoyskyy who had called the conflict with Donbas a civil war. Yarosh does not mind Kolomoyskyy but rejects the 'civil war' claim:

Yarosh: [P]erhaps, something is pushing him to make such statements. Apparently, some kind of business interest.

This is the main danger of the oligarchy, as for me. They, the oligarchs, are talented people, because without talent it is impossible to build such businesses and earn billions. But the danger of the oligarchs is that they are compradors. They don't give a damn about the Motherland. They need money. Profit turns a blind eye to everything. And then you can negotiate with Russia on any terms.

And that is why Zelensky is very dangerous for us Ukrainians. I feel it.

Interviewer: What is the danger?

Y: His statements about peace at any cost are dangerous for us. Vladimir simply does not know the price of this world. He may have been with concerts close to the front. But when my boys were torn apart by Russian shells into small pieces and then these pieces had to be collected and sent to their mothers, the price somehow looks completely different.
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I: Are you trying to meet him now?

Y: Yes. I have already made a couple of messages, but he is silent. Perhaps they didn't reach him. He is a busy man…

But even if this meeting does not happen, it's okay. He just needs to understand one truth: Ukrainians cannot be humiliated. Ukrainians, after seven hundred years of colonial slavery, may not yet have fully learned how to build a state. But we learned how to make an uprising very well and remove all those "eagles" who are trying to parasitize on the sweat and blood of Ukrainians. Zelensky said in his inaugural speech that he was ready to lose ratings, popularity, position… No, he would lose his life. He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk – if he betrays Ukraine and those people who died in the Revolution and the War.

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Khreshchatyk is the main street of Kiev. The above and other threats to Zelensky certainly helped to convert him from peacemaker to warmonger and friend of the various 'ultranational' militia formations.

In spring 2021 Zelensky announced that the Ukraine would retake Crimea by force. Russia then held large military maneuvers and Zelensky backed down. By November 2021 the Ukraine again made noise and said it would be retaking Donbas by force. Russia again held military maneuvers as a show of force but this time the situation deteriorated further.

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.

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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR^*:

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

One of the package decision Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

On February 22 Russia recognized the Donbas republics as independent states. On February 24 Russian troops crossed the borders into the Ukraine.

The aim set for the Russian military is to de-militarize the Ukraine and to de-nazify it.

The first is easy to understand. The Russian military will simple destroy or disable all heavy weapons the Ukraine has.

The second aim requires more explanation than the above interview with Dmytro Yarosh.

As the Grayzone notes:

In November 2021, one of Ukraine’s most prominent ultra-nationalist militiamen, Dmytro Yarosh, announced that he had been appointed as an advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yarosh is an avowed follower of the Nazi collaborator Bandera who led Right Sector from 2013 to 2015, vowing to lead the “de-Russification” of Ukraine.

The threats from the fascists make it impossible for any Ukrainian politician to implement a sane policy that would lead to peace in the country.

The fascists in Ukraine are relatively few. But they have the guns and they will kill anyone who opposes them and their aims. They have been put into important state positions. (Besides that oligarchs like Kolomoyskyy pay and use them for their own purposes.)

The problem is that such ideological groups, once firmly established, tend to grow. The Right Sector is holding 'patriotic' summer camps for young Ukrainians and the Ukrainian state is financing those. They are successful and Ukrainian youths is looking up to them.

These developments are what Russia is afraid off. As Patrick Armstrong wrote at the start of the current intervention:

What [Putin] is talking about is what the Soviet Union tried to do from 1933 onwards: namely to stop Hitler before he got started. This time Russia is able to do it by itself. In other words, Putin feels that he is making a pre-emptive attack to stop June 1941. This is very serious indeed and indicates that the Russians are going to keep going until they feel that they can safely stop.

The Russian military will destroy the militia formations like the Right Sector and the Azov battalion which is currently holding the people of Mariupol as hostages. It will try to get all their leaders – dead or alive.

When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine.

Being freed from powerful fascists will enable Ukrainian politicians to re-institute sane policies.

That's the plan.

But will it work?

That is probably the wrong question. One should ask to what degree and for how long will it work.

After Ukraine's independence it took the 'ultranationalists' 22 years, and the help of the CIA, to come to power. Once eliminated they may claw back, but it will take them some time. The Ukraine will be busy with reviving its economy. It will have little money to spend on arms.

Thirty years later Russia may see a repeat of the confrontation. But 30 years are quite a long time.

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^* Ukraine could not break the permissive action link security codes of those nuclear weapons so it actually gave up nothing.

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@Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 22:28 utc | 225
“Russian soldiers shoot at civilians. Novopskov, Luhansk region.
“>https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1500153820701237263”
1. No identification of the uniformed figures in the distance
2. People don’t just mill around like this when they are actually being directly shot at
3. More like guy right in front kept walking toward armed soldiers when he had been warned off, at some point they shoot you if you don’t stop (he was the only one that seemed to be shot – in the leg by the looks of it, more like a rubber bullet than a military bullet)
3. Looks much more like people being warned off from an operation plus gunfire further away
Please do not pollute this space with such obvious propaganda

Posted by: Roger | Mar 5 2022 22:40 utc | 201

@Cabe #217
Your ideas are fueled by the concept of Nuclear Winter, popularized by Carl Sagan.
The problem is that his views were fueled in turn by a model which doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny.
Ultimately, it didn’t matter because the Nuclear Winter scare scenario is considered beneficial – nobody wants to really promote the idea that nuclear war is acceptable.
Nor is what I say above a crackpot theory:
US Leaders reject Nuclear Winter studies

But it is not only Holdren and Gottemoeller who reject the nuclear winter research. Greg Mello, of the Los Alamos Study Group, cites a source who confirms that the group that determines the “full range of activities related to the development, production, maintenance (upkeep) and elimination (retirement, disassembly and disposal) of all United States nuclear weapons — the members of the U.S. Nuclear Weapons Council — have stated that “the predictions of nuclear winter were disproved years ago.”
The members of the U.S. Nuclear Weapons Council include:
Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics
Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Under Secretary for Nuclear Security of the Department of Energy
Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Commander of the United States Strategic Command

Note Holdren was the “science dude” under Obama…
NY Times: Nuclear Theorists Pull Back
Even on Quora
Is The Nuclear Winter a Hoax

The only way to get particles to stay aloft longer is to blast them considerably higher than 70,000 feet. The reason this will not happen today is that the US and Russia have eliminated megaton size weapons from the high alert strategic forces (ICBM’s & SLBM’s). The small quantities left of the B-83 variable yield ≈ 20 KT – 1.2 MT gravity bomb are slated for retirement in 2025.
To get anything above 70,000 feet you need yields substantially above 1 megaton. The bombs deployed today will throw debris up 50,000 – 60,000 feet into the atmosphere and all of that will rain back down to the earth in hours and days later near the point of detonation.
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What is known is that the TTAPS study made famous by Carl Sagan and his team, used exaggerated volumes of soot and smoke in their model. Their assumptions for a nuclear winter were significantly off in their calculations and in 1990 the original team largely retracted their study as being invalid.[47] Key government studies since then have shown that the available combustible materials used in the models in TTAPS were significantly overstated and this has flawed all the studies since that have used the TTAPS study as the basis of their work.
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In articles printed in the Wilmington morning star and the Baltimore Sun newspapers of January 1991, prominent authors of nuclear winter papers — Richard P. Turco, John W. Birks, Carl Sagan, Alan Robock and Paul Crutzen —together collectively stated that they expected catastrophic nuclear winter like effects with continental-sized effects of “sub-freezing” temperatures as a result of the Iraqis going through with their threats of igniting 300 to 500 pressurized oil wells that could subsequently burn for several months. [49]
Carl Sagan later conceded in his book The Demon-Haunted World that his predictions obviously did not turn out to be correct: “it was pitch black at noon and temperatures dropped 4–6 °C over the Persian Gulf, but not much smoke reached stratospheric altitudes and Asia was spared.”

The Sagan nuclear winter study is an excellent example of confirmation bias in action.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:46 utc | 202

@b
#236 – please block that IP. This is an example of handle-hijacking.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:47 utc | 203

An Empire of Lies
Gonzalo Lira has been located in Kharkov since March 1st. He reports he has working internet, cell phone, electricity, water, and sewage. The RF is not known to have made any attempt to interfere with this range of services in the now surrounded city.
It is believed this same degree of access, particularly internet and cell phone coverage, exists in each Ukraine oblast. The RF has not made any known attempt to deny communications to the citizens of Ukraine though they surely have the capacity to do so.
The military occupation of foreign territory creates risk of insurgency; the civilians act against the occupying force. Since the adventures of T.E. Lawrence in Arabia, promoting an insurgency by providing trained leaders, weapons, and crucially money, has been an effective and low cost means of undermining the opposition and fomenting revolt. Insurgents strike with force then melt away into the surrounding population. The enemy becomes fearful of the unexpected and, when an attack occurs, reprisal killings follow. Such retaliation generates increased sympathy for the underground rebels. Once initiated, an insurgency can be almost impossible to defeat as events in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya have proven.
RF facilitation of open communications for the citizens of Ukraine permits potential insurgents to inform themselves about the conflict. What do they discover? They learn the West has no concern for the Russian people, that the West loathes Russians and attacks them at every opportunity. Russian children are beaten and thrown out of school, Russians are excluded from daily life, refused service in stores, hounded in public. Russian music, composers, and literature, are banned. The West views Russians as Untermenschen, a despised and inferior people, to be attacked and ostracized wherever found.
The population of Ukraine, the entirety of it, every town in every oblast, is learning the West is the domain of Pravy Sektor and the ethos of the Azov legions. This delivers an incalculable advantage to the RF; the population now recognize they are reviled by the West.
The people of Ukraine are learning the West has contempt for basic freedoms. Ukrainian resident Gonzolo Lira created a YouTube video in Kiev. He was not worried about the SBU, or some other thuggery, breaking down his door mid-broadcast. No! He expressed repeated concern that an American internet company would cancel him. The United States has repeatedly demonstrated it merits Putin’s description – they are an An Empire of Lies.
There can be no doubt that the Western Alphabet agencies will seek to infest Ukraine with an insurgency. Some percentage of Biden’s millions in arms allowance will fund “stay behind” cells and and hidden caches of arms and explosives to be used by insurgents.
But the West, by its repugnant conduct, has ensured such efforts will be futile. The citizens, having had the opportunity to examine the conduct of the West, now knows whom they can trust. They will act to report any sightings of strangers, or suspicious behaviour. They will act to defeat any Western provocation or insurgency. By ensuring open communications Putin has hoist the West by its own petard. Once an individual, or a bloc, demonstrates it cannot be trusted it takes decades to regain the lost trust. The West has delivered victory to Putin.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 5 2022 22:49 utc | 204

[NB: vk-style post]
Both the pandemic and the Russo-Ukraine conflict are examples of minor crises opportunistically amplified to provide the narrative justifications for controlled demolition of the broken late-capitalist financialized economy.
The neo-nazis play their role as a destabilizing element, mostly unemployed poorly-educated young men whose anger and resentment can be repurposed usefully as a stage-managed wrecking-ball. With the long term destruction of the real economy by a rent-seeking economy (and I’m riffing off Michael Hudson here) comes a mass of under-utilised young men whose lack of meaning and self-worth propel them toward over-determined ideologies like Nazism. Weimar Germany was awash with them, made worse by the loss of the war and the humiliation added to insult.
But the neo-nazis are manipulated because their ideological psychology makes them predictable and steered to the target without difficulty. This combination of fervour and desire for meaning through adventure and sublimation of individuality is as old as the First Crusade. Liberalism fails to supply them with the social resources for self-worth, so individualism is rejected in favour of the self-negation that is offered by membership of symbolic paramilitary battalions. Raised on video games, Marvel and bastardized Tolkien they get to play their part in a showdown between Elves and Orcs.
In the meantime they are used as the explosive element in a controlled demolition of the post-war European economy. Capitalism needs periodic bonfires to regenerate. But you have to be careful with fires. The GFC was a disaster a) because it spiralled out of control too quickly, but mainly because b) the chain of causation between corrupt banking elites and economic suffering was too visible. Obama and the Fed only just managed to save them, but the longer term consequence was Trumpism, a populism mobilising these same young men toward dangerous illiberal ends.
In 2009 future financial crises were bound to follow. This was not a hiccup in an otherwise robust system. It was a historical process unfolding much as it had in previous late-stage capitalist implosions (Genovese 15th c, Dutch 17-8th c, British early 20th—see the work of Jason Moore and Giorgio Arrighi). The rent-seekers can only realign and reposition by breaking the over-leveraged world economy, and they are not prepared to lose their dominance in the process. They need bubbles to burst to be able to take initiative in any global capital reset.
The pandemic and Russo-Ukraine war therefore are two modes of the same strategy, both of which fan bonfires of capital destruction, and control, suppress or manipulate masses, especially young aimless dangerous young male populations. The first successfully implemented a world-wide state of emergency, the second has successfully shifted the blame for a self-imposed European economic meltdown on a fictional Russian imperialism. One controlled an angry frightened population, the other now mobilises that population, directing it away from GFC 2, which no one can name because it is masked by COVID and Putin.
Only a Marxist historiography can call this for what it is: the denouement of a long capitalist phase that began around 1900, characterised by the rise of the US and the expansion of its zone of control into the dismantled European colonial world. It was sealed by the US invasion of Europe in 1944 and has run its course, moving from a vibrant high industrial phase (1910-1965) to a decadent financialised phase (1970-2020), and now structural disintegration. The new phase belongs to Eurasia but the masters of the old phase will wreck the joint before giving it up, but not without blowing smoke and making off with everything that isn’t nailed down. The COVID pandemic and this war is that smoke.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 5 2022 22:51 utc | 205

@205 Circe 22:04
That Circe is not me! STOP USING MY MONIKER ASSHAT! Please remove that idiot.
******
So Naftali Bennett flew all the way to Russia today for an unannounced meeting with Putin.
I wonder if Putin asked him: Are you here to claim the moral high ground? Because that would make you the pot calling the kettle black.
Let’s just say that the hypocrisy of USNATO when it comes to its treatment of Israel vs Russia is staggering. And what about Israel acting as peacemaker with its bloody record? Is this a joke?
I read an article in The Jerusalem Post recently regarding the fact that the IDF is closely monitoring and studying Russia’s performance on the battlefield in Ukraine, its use of heavy weaponry and strategy and collecting intelligence to use in future wars.

According to Walla News, the teams will gather information and intelligence for the Israeli military in the fields of combat methods and doctrine, ground maneuvers, logistics, air defense, anti-tank, cyber and electronic warfare, psychological warfare and more.

So who is Israel planning to war with next? Iran, Syria or Lebanon?
If I were China I’d be doing what Israel’s doing, because China is definitely next on the Empire’s radar.
I’m glad though Bennett went to see Putin and not the other way around. Putin should not go to Israel for any meetings, especially in March (Ides of March). The Israelis commit too many extra-judicial crimes and they can spray stuff in your ear or put something in the food…who can trust them?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 22:52 utc | 206

This thread has been Rick T(rolled) by this angry Rube..
Probably works at CNN…

Posted by: thewokendead | Mar 5 2022 22:54 utc | 207

Spudski @ 232, 233:
That B looks like a troll. The real B signs off in small highlighted letters.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2022 22:56 utc | 208

Lot of trolls here today, lets call them that way, we know they are paid Ukie bots and propaganda workers.
They have been hijacking usernames of regular posters, so don’t fall for their bs.
Bots, more you put effort in your campaign, more obvious is Ukraine is going to fall and and your impotence and desperation. So, bring it on even more!

Posted by: Abe | Mar 5 2022 22:57 utc | 209

The lowest low on a blog is to impersonate someone and put words down with their moniker. Please remove the troll who wrote @205. That is not me.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 22:59 utc | 210

Dear B,
I suggest this comments forum should just be closed off. There is now too much trolling for you to winnow. Moreover someone is trolling under Circe and C1ue’s names and yours as well.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2022 22:59 utc | 211

If Ukraine is executing its negotiators, there is zero chance this war ends with a settlement. It takes away any motivation for the remaining negotiators to negotiate and encourages only chest thumping.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 5 2022 23:00 utc | 212

@223 is not me! Damn you.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 23:01 utc | 213

this is priceless from Pepe Escobar, boxes and boxes sealed with locks on them, supposedly from the “ICRC”
check out the 60 second video – obviously tens of millions of dollars if not more
“It’s all about the Benjamins, baby,” – Rep. Ilhan Omar
https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1500075368493068292
The Chechens stormed a neo-Nazi bunker – took no prisoners – and guess what they found: a LOT of US dollars packed inside Red Cross boxes.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 5 2022 23:02 utc | 214

@248
Not my words! Go f#ck yourself! Stop impersonating me. Get lost!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 23:05 utc | 215

Hat-tip to james on yesterday’s thread for providing an extremely important part of Lavrov’s Al Jazeera interview that IMO needed greater exposure, so I built a short article around it tying it to the campaign to cancel all things Russian and Russians themselves just as the Nazis tried during WW2.
I also further examined the Putin Doctrine by publishing a second article illustrating its components. The initial article is here.
A reply to a comment I made at Saker’s led me to a Russian blog very animated by patriotic zeal that made an excellent observation: The capture of Snake Island has strategic value for Russia as deploying S-400/500s there turns Romanian airspace into a No Fly Zone.
As for my POV of Russia’s security operation, I’m onboard the Putin Doctrine for the reasons explained in my articles.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 5 2022 23:06 utc | 216

@Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 5 2022 22:51 utc | 252
More a Kees van der Pijl style post, a good one.
https://www.amazon.com/States-Emergency-Keeping-Global-Population-ebook/dp/B09MJLW7L3/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1BURTQ2ZU3ZDJ&keywords=kees+van+der+pijl&qid=1646521542&sprefix=kees+van+der+pijl%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-6
https://www.amazon.com/Flight-MH17-Ukraine-new-Cold-ebook/dp/B07WHT8S9J/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BURTQ2ZU3ZDJ&keywords=kees+van+der+pijl&qid=1646521542&sprefix=kees+van+der+pijl%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-1

Posted by: Roger | Mar 5 2022 23:07 utc | 217

Roger @242
I’ll add a couple more problems. If there is that much gunfire in some operation that nearby none of those elderly civilians is going to be standing around. The gunfire does all have the same volume, so is it the soldiers we see? Would they expend that much ammo? To frighten old folks? We could go on. Video makes no sense at all.
So far there is no pattern of Russian soldiers behaving this way. Soldiers doing any of this would face discipline. Poster who put this up is a long time provocateur trying for a comeback. Most likely is a badly edited and badly faked piece of agitprop.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2022 23:07 utc | 218

@267,269 Is a troll wrecking this thread.
It is not me.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 23:10 utc | 219

Gawd!! Disrupter Troll Invasion!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 5 2022 23:10 utc | 220

The miserable chihuahua Sánchez: ”
https://turcopolier.com/germany-advances-natural-gas-plans-to-cut-russian-exposure/#comments, comment section:
“Spain risking everything and ruining the coming tourist season, which the [Spanish] Ambassador in Moscow was hoping just a week ago would bring the Russian tourists again…
Meanwhile, the war between Marocco and Western Sahara continues in parallel with that in Ukraine, with no notice in the mass media, which led to the closing of the Magreb-Europe pipeline, way before Putin entered Ukraine, with which the volume of gas to Spain and Europe was cut in half, making the prices for the population unpayable, equating, added to the price of electricity, to a cut in wages in the order of a 10%…
Two assaults to the Spanish southern border have occurred these past days, but Sánchez did not send any troops nor offensive weapons to that border while he was sending them to the border of Russia…Strange, isn´t it? It is obvious this government is defending neither Spanish interests nor borders for that matter.”
No more men in Europe – only the likes of the castrated Stoltenberg, Sánchez and Sholz. Pettiness and corruption…

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 5 2022 23:11 utc | 221

Via Pepe Escobar, Kireyev was labeled a traitor by SBU, and a HERO by GUR MOU… lines being drawn, sides taking shape:
https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Posted by: Tadpole | Mar 5 2022 23:13 utc | 222

WOW the amount of cool aid on tap at the bar is ridiculous.
The patrons drinking this stuff should exit to the courtyard and have their own party/punch up.
Will the real Circe please stand up: Six people leap to their feet and only one is not laughing.
News from Germany? Try this and use page translate. https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2022 23:14 utc | 223

Never seen such a mess in a MoA thread. West desperat-o-meter at its highest, I presume.
Mopping up clearly is needed as that forum looks now like the center of now encircled Marioupol.
Rick, the fake B and al need an urgent (symbolic) TOS-1 treatment.
The real b needs our gratitude for providing such a sanity asylum (even when troll-infested).

Posted by: HerrHesser | Mar 5 2022 23:15 utc | 224

Serbia Rallies for Russia: http://thesaker.is/rallies-in-serbia-in-support-of-russia/?inmoderation

Posted by: Tadpole | Mar 5 2022 23:16 utc | 225

Paul Greenwood @64
Walther Rathenau 1922
An interesting complex character from what little I have read about him. Very interesting in my view how a guy like that could have changed the course of history had he survived.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 5 2022 23:16 utc | 226

Posted by: Roger | Mar 5 2022 23:07 utc | 272
I have the first Van der Pijl book on pre-order (PB hasn’t been published yet apparently). Looking forward to it.
Also looking forward to renumbered posts after b takes out the trash.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 5 2022 23:17 utc | 227

@269 is copied directly from The Jewish Virtual Library quoting Hitler on Propaganda without citation.
Very unlike Circe.

Posted by: dynkyd | Mar 5 2022 23:18 utc | 228

I wonder how this atrocity will be spun by the Empire of Lies, “Up to 200 People Buried Under Rubble as Azov Militants Blow Up Building in Mariupol”. Nor will the Nazis allow civilians to use the safe corridors negotiated by the Ukrainian government to escape their fate. That’s why they must be expunged–they are Anti-Human just like their Masters.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 5 2022 23:21 utc | 229

One of the talking points that the current troll keeps throwing is the Nazi/Jew thing.
Most people are not even aware of what the Nazi’s did that they find so abhorrent. Starting wars of aggression has happened many times before. Even world war 1 Germany is not abhorred. They just know that what the Nazi’s did was so very wrong.
The problem with that is that it is not the killing of Jews in particular that normal beings find repellent. It is the ethnic cleansing that Nazi Germany did. Would it have been any ‘better’ if 6 million Roma’s were killed and only a few hundred thousand Jews? Of course not, real humans would see this as the same thing.
What real people hate about ‘Nazi Germany’ was not its government, nor even its wars, but the bigotry to the point of violence and murder.
Nazism is about bigotry to that point of violence and murder. We instinctively know that bashing gay people because they are gay is wrong. Murdering Muslims because they are Muslims is wrong. And when that hatred and violence becomes so bad and ingrained that a state has entire battalions of such forces of hatred, that is Nazism. When a state has a political party in a leading position that approves of such expressed hatreds, that is Nazism.
Nazism has nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with bigotry and violence.
In Ukraine at the moment, there are battalions that hate and want to kill or ethnically cleanse Russian people, BECAUSE they are Russian.
In fact even if you wish to tie it to the actual Nazi Germany, real Nazi’s hate Russians more than Jews because the Russians were the downfall of their entire system.
It is about ethnic cleansing, bigotry to the point of systemic violence and hatred. People should stop getting hung up on whom the hatred is directed against as if that were the important thing.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Mar 5 2022 23:22 utc | 230

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 5 2022 23:06 utc | 271
IMO snake island is useless for any high tier mobile defense system like S-400/500. It is tiny, barren, it is shooting trap, as enemy exactly know where you are.
Systems like S-400 need lot of space to deploy, so they are not taken out by single hit. It is preferable its location is unknown to the enemy (that is why they are mobile). If they are located, they need good escape routes so they can get gtfo as far as fast possible.
They also need layered protection around them by short/medium range SPAA like Pantsir or Thor in case they are located and attacked.
Tiny island like snake island can’t provide anything like that. Territory south of Odessa is far better choice for same effect.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 5 2022 23:29 utc | 231

RT is available on the blockchain. The system has been making war against these guys for a while and I am sure they are in for it now.
RT

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 5 2022 23:30 utc | 232

Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 5 2022 22:20 utc | 219
Been workin’ on the Chain Gang have ya mate?
That’s the sound of the man, workin’ on the chain.. gaaang, hu ho,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-Ao_NeSiw
Note 5 of the 6 prisoners are African Americans, followed by one crazy white boy, Charlie Sheen. But they all have a US Army patch on their shirt.
Btw, thanks for the memories! Just a sec, that reminds me of this; Thanks for the memories, of sentimental verse, nothing in my purse…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIRyvgfRkr8
Silly buggers lighten the mood in any bar, so hat tip to ya. AP News he offers..guffaw guffaw!

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 5 2022 23:33 utc | 233

Not sure if anyone saw this, but The Iranian Deal and the navigation of this “war” seem to be intertwined. My pee-brain only understands that this might be important https://markamerica.com/2022/03/05/victoria-coates-provides-shocking-new-iran-deal-scandal-analysis/

Posted by: ohmyheck | Mar 5 2022 23:36 utc | 234

@289 RR
What is your problem with me? What you did is disgusting.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 23:37 utc | 235

@vetinLA | Mar 5 2022 22:10 utc | 210
You really believe that, do you?
Ok. Yesterday, Denis Kirejev, official of the Ukrainian MOD, and participant of the first round of negotiations with Russia 6 days ago, was abducted by Ukrainian SBU and shot, allegedly resisting his arrest.
Today, he was posthumously decorated as Hero of Ukraine. Were it not deadly, it could be funny. But that is your hero country where fascist abduct and murder people, even of higher rank.
Not funny at all, 5 days ago, the story of Victor Strut, mayor of a small town in eastern Ukraine. Abducted by your “Tero” heroes (rather Terro), shot and left for display. The fascists even bragged about. His “crime” was that he had expressed sympathy with his compatriots in the Donbas.
Since the coup of 2014, at least 1000 people, outside the insurgent territories, have been killed in similar ways. At least 5000 are missing. Even Amnesty International, bootlicker of State Department, complained about torture camps of the SBU.
Yesterday I saw reports of a UAF base in Radensk, Cherson oblast, where 2 brigades were stationed. On reports of the approach of Russian forces, the soldiers, 5-6,000 troops, abandoned everything, many stripped uniforms, and left by buses, civilian cars or by foot, leaving behind 5,000 tons of ammo, and lots of other equipment, also some T64 and T80 MBT and BMP and BTR. Hardly heroic resistance, I admire those soldiers for their realism.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 5 2022 23:37 utc | 236

There is now too much trolling for you to winnow.
Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2022 22:59 utc | 261
Mockery is the best antidote. At least on par with the effectiveness of Covid ‘Vaccines’, and a whole lot cheaper.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 5 2022 23:38 utc | 237

Quite frankly, the real Circe merits banning as much as all the fake ones.
It’s ultimately b’s fault if user(name) integrity can’t be be maintained. His blog, his responsibility.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 5 2022 23:39 utc | 238

@294 malenkov
Excuse me? What did I ever do to you?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 23:42 utc | 239

Its kind of fun here today.
Not really such a big deal.

Posted by: jared | Mar 5 2022 23:43 utc | 240

The Washington Post article from WJ #25 about a possible government in exile seems to have got lost among all the nonsense. I’ve read it between the lines a couple of times. It’s almost like an admission of defeat…
https://archive.ph/yEkMh

Posted by: dh | Mar 5 2022 23:44 utc | 241

RT is interviewing John Bolton on RT now. He is very tame in his prognostications. No call for war from NATO and the US, no chance of nukes being used, everything goes back to normal when it ends, if Russia gains the Black Sea coast and Eastern Ukraine Europe will say “OK, lets get back to normal business.”
He is crying about oil. No undercutting of Biden. Not enough training of Ukraine elements prior. All in all very, very tame for that madman.
The trolls are only hear for this issue, they will leave when its over.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 5 2022 23:44 utc | 242

In addition, Ukraine is dropping into barbary. Not only that the Azov units hold the civilian populace hostage, have their command posts and gathering points in schools and kindergartens (there are fotos and vids from the UA side showing that). The distribution of firearms to practically everybody has augmented lawlessness. Vigilantism and self justice are rampant. In several UA cities, even in the calmer parts of Kiew Oblast, alleged (or real) looter suspects were bound on poles, shot or throat cut, and displayed with signs “Maroder”. In more “graceful” moves, vids show alleged looters bound to a tree, pants stripped, and flogged with sticks, Shariah “law”.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 5 2022 23:45 utc | 243

@digital dinosaur | Mar 5 2022 20:49 utc | 138

The far longer term and more serious problem as I see it is that the ‘West’ will never give up.

I am quite a bit more optimistic.
The reaction from the west so far has been purely hysterical and ridiculous. I think that’s because they sense that their time is up. That their ability to shape reality to their liking is rather limited. The USD has been overvalued by at least 50%. As such, the living standard of the us in particular, and the west in general, will have to fall substantially to properly commensurate for their actual productivity. Civil unrest is definitely coming. The joint declaration between Russia and China during the beijing olympics is definitely a watershed moment in history that all kids will have to memorize in high school in the future.

Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 5 2022 23:46 utc | 244

It’s ultimately b’s fault if user(name) integrity can’t be be maintained. His blog, his responsibility.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 5 2022 23:39 utc | 294
Run a blog for a while before you criticize. I did, it’s like trying to herd cats especially if you want to allow diverse opinions / input.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 5 2022 23:49 utc | 245

real or fake Circe @295:
Huh? Depends. Who are you? If you’re the “real” Circe, you’ve done enough, thanks.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 5 2022 23:51 utc | 246

RT is interviewing John Bolton on RT now. He is very tame in his prognostications
Posted by: circumspect | Mar 5 2022 23:44 utc | 298
Never take anything the likes of Bolton says at face value. He is neck deep in the world of by deception we shall do war. He was also a Vietnam draft dodger, so there’s that. He couldn’t see himself dying in a rice paddy in Vietnam. Such a Patriot.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 5 2022 23:56 utc | 247

Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 23:33 utc | 289

Ok! I confess that I’m a nasty self-hating troll guilty of highjacking this thread. It’s just that I can’t stand to let any possible alternative information survive as long as most of us the rest of us brain dead idiots have to consume all of the drek that’s cranked out by mainstream western media.

Dosta bre više, prestani da zajebavaš pošten svet ovde.

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 5 2022 23:56 utc | 248

@302 malenkov
I’m the real one. The other one can’t write English properly, or didn’t you notice? I want proof of why you wrote what you did. It’s highly offensive to call for someone to be banned without justification.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 0:01 utc | 249

Even during the Rittenhouse trial and the worst COVID debates we never saw this level of sabotage. I think this may be unchartered waters for b. Here in Sydney one risks being seriously cancelled for questioning the MSM narrative. This is the mother of all psyops now. I might switch off for a while because I’m frankly unnerved by all of it.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 6 2022 0:01 utc | 250

I suspect Zelensky will get it from his own side not the Russians (who would prefer for him to spill the beans) They have elevated him to status of ‘hero’ in the west even though most ukraines despise him. CIA will do for him, he is unreliable, unpredictable and apparently has drug issues. He knows too much to be trusted, even if they evacuate him to the US. He is now in Poland at the US embassy, before that he was in Lvov in the US embassy. They are keeping their crumbling asset hidden away.

Posted by: Geraldo | Mar 6 2022 0:03 utc | 251

Patroklos | Mar 6 2022 0:01 utc | 306
Take it for granted that those of us that look beneath the propaganda are well and truly flagged. I think this will all get a lot worse before it gets better

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 0:05 utc | 252

@298 circumspect
I can’t stand Bolton, but you definitely aroused my curiosity describing the interview as tame. Can you post me the link?

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 0:06 utc | 253

I find it DELICIOUS to have our own Banderite or pseudo-banderite and watch it squirm and squeal without even having to do anything until B pushes a button
REEEEEEEEE some obscure blog is not marching in lockstep for the defense of my glorious shithole I MUST PISS ON THE CURTAINS!!!
HOW DARE THE RUSSIANS HAVE TWO HANDFULS OF SUPPORTERS ??!!! AND THEY TYPE!!! UNACCEPTABLE!! IT MUST BE VLADOLF’S DOING!!!!! CURTAIN!! PISS!! PUTIN!! JEWS!!
I don’t know what perspective would be funnier:
1) This is an actual ukie flailing in legit terror because it’s shitbag “authorities” have poked the hornest nest too much.
2) This is some delusional bleeding heart that’s been painting shit in blue and yellow for the last week. Bonus points if a similar behavior transpired about Hong Kong, Belarus; his blue balls should be threatening their own color revolution by now.
3) This poor imbecile is actually getting paid to piss on curtains for the glory of Banderastan. Talk about bullshit jobs lol.
4) Actual Nazi troll brigade doing damage control having to deny their own existence in writing.
5) The clown has to do something while munching down the latest CIA coke supply; unfortunately the only entertainment available to him at the US embassy in Poland are a pinball machine and a Windows 98 PC with a landline. Reliving former days of glory, he types with his ding-a-ling on MoA.
Whichever the case, it’s quite fucking funny.
Atlanticists are in a FREAKING PANIC.
And they’re hitting ALL BUTTONS AT ONCE.
With any luck they blow their own damn machine up.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 0:08 utc | 254

Why is it so hard to write a script that compares a tuple of handle (nickname, whatever) + IP to a database of known same?
That should be super easy.

Posted by: bjd | Mar 6 2022 0:08 utc | 255

karlof1 # 284

I wonder how this atrocity will be spun by the Empire of Lies, “Up to 200 People Buried Under Rubble as Azov Militants Blow Up Building in Mariupol”. Nor will the Nazis allow civilians to use the safe corridors negotiated by the Ukrainian government to escape their fate. That’s why they must be expunged–they are Anti-Human just like their Masters.

Yes! everywhere you find them across the whole planet. Then all remaining supremacist advocates. Supremacy has been the curse of humanity for far too long and we must develop non violent means of nipping it in the bud in early years. We should teach children at the same intensity we teach them not to bite people.
It really is that easy and yet ….

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 0:11 utc | 256

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 5 2022 23:56 utc | 304
Thank you.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 0:12 utc | 257

RE: Geraldo | Mar 6 2022 0:03 utc | 307
Perhaps Zelenskyy is not on drugs but being drugged???

Posted by: W Dollars Haught | Mar 6 2022 0:14 utc | 258

Why is the US seemingly hell bent on starting a war if they didnt think they could win ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar 102
Needing reason to enter European theater seems logical, the winning part is not. America separated by the Pacific and
Atlantic would never have been lost as result of war in the Eurasian continent (pre-nuke), much of world wide US involvement relies on this same feeling of geographic safety. Hence the ease of popular mobilization on basis of the “unthinkable” Twin Towers attack. (regardless who did it or did it really happen that way)

Posted by: YY | Mar 6 2022 0:14 utc | 259

This is a moment of truth for the french extreme right. Both le pen and zemmour (30% in polls for the coming prez election in a month) have expressed pro Putin positions in the latest years. Will we see one of them try to make connections with Ukr far right?

Posted by: Anon | Mar 6 2022 0:17 utc | 260

uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 0:11 utc | 313
The self proclaimed exception country has been the driving force behind the rise of both Islamic and nazi extremism. It needs a few megatons of nipping to make it not so exceptional.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 0:19 utc | 261

dh | 297
Yes, a Google News search shows the government-in-exile has been discussed in various outlets since the start, but it is in WaPo and NYT now, does that make it official?

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 6 2022 0:19 utc | 262

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 5 2022 23:39 utc | 294
Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 23:42 utc | 295
I still don’t really get the beef some of you have with Circe, much less lately; and if there are several Circes, they don’t seem to have a problem with each other.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 0:21 utc | 263

Ooohhhh wait.
Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2022 23:05 utc | 269
That’s not Circe, that’s Reante.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 0:23 utc | 264

@bubbles 301
Lol, I agree, only that its worse, more like herding flea.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 6 2022 0:23 utc | 265

Hudson on Crosstalk gets the core of the Putin Doctrine, as does Peter Lavell–its creative destruction followed by new arrangements on a global scale, not just within Europe. Beginning with Hudson at the 17:20 then at 18:20 he nails it: The Ukrainian operation–Putin Doctrine–opens up another way to organize the global economy, beyond what Lavell calls the “Great Separation.” And of course, that’s the goal announced in the China-Russia Joint Declaration that I continually refer to that it appears nobody has bothered to read.
Yes, it’s worth the 24 minutes to listen. Too bad Dr. Hudson wasn’t allowed more time to speak.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 0:25 utc | 266

@c1ue “studies, predictions, science, disproven…” oh that is sattled then, it is ok. we do not even have the slighest idea about the short/long term effects on the latest global venture. many things were healthy and was approved by experts/scientists until they were not. normally i would say this was unbelievable, not anymore. when someone put scientists/doctors/insert-profession to such an high regard, i just assume they have no such background, in fact, no analytic thinking capabilities.
an individual scientist is a fallible human being. 2 of them come together and build an organisation, suddenly they are now infallible.

Posted by: nucwint | Mar 6 2022 0:27 utc | 267

Geraldo #307

I suspect Zelensky will get it from his own side not the Russians (who would prefer for him to spill the beans) They have elevated him to status of ‘hero’ in the west even though most ukraines despise him. CIA will do for him, he is unreliable, unpredictable and apparently has drug issues. He knows too much to be trusted, even if they evacuate him to the US. He is now in Poland at the US embassy, before that he was in Lvov in the US embassy. They are keeping their crumbling asset hidden away.

Spell check offers alternate phrasing:
I suspect ~~Zelensky~~ Biden will get it from his own side not the Russians (who ~~would prefer for~~ love to see him to spill the beans) They have elevated him to status of ‘hero’ in the west even though most ~~ukraines~~ Americans despise him. CIA will do for him,[as usual] he is unreliable, unpredictable and apparently has drug issues. He knows too much to be trusted, even if they evacuate him to the US Antarctic. He is now in ~~Poland~~ Disneyland at the US embassy, before that he was in ~~Lvov in~~ the ~~US embassy~~ White House. They are keeping their crumbling asset ~~hidden away~~ as spectacle on MSM.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 0:28 utc | 268

@Patroklos | Mar 6 2022 0:01 utc | 306
Same here in Germany. Ridiculously, they censored RT and Sputnik (whole EU). True democrats fighting authoritarianism. My ass.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 6 2022 0:28 utc | 269

@ bubbles
I have neither the technical means nor the time to rub a blog. b thinks he does. His issue, not mine.
@ Circe (presumably the real one)
Anyone demanding that Russia commit war crimes i. order to fulfill your Hollywood fantasy of a do-right fantasy in the appropriate time frame has nothing to offer the planet except as a target of contempt and derision.
@ b
Banned me enough already? Go ahead and do it again, since your control over your own software is so inept that you let me slip through this time.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 0:29 utc | 270

the response to what develops next, or to Fascists terrorizing their way to power etc,
lies in the difference btw how Russia pursues war and how the US pursues war.
Russia adresses the legitimacy apparatus directly and negotiates as it fights; i.e, they
generate alternative outcomes which fragment opposition and reconfigure both terms of engagement and contested ground. see Alexander Mercouris (from London) for a professorial explanation. https://theduran.locals.com

Posted by: bogdan | Mar 6 2022 0:31 utc | 271

@ malenkov
@314 The troll is back. That’s definitely not me.
***
It’s enough. I’m thinking of changing my handle, now that Troll corrupted it, but not right right away. It would be too obvious. Just know that whatever I choose will represent warrior commitment (of the female persuasion). No more clues.
Think about this everyone: I must be writing stuff that really got under troll’s skin, because he chose me to impersonate.
Hey troll…neither you, nor malenkov are going to silence me.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery, but you don’t hold a candle to the original.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 0:33 utc | 272

@karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 0:25 utc | 327
Sounds reasonable. But it looks as if the West, in its sanctions frenzy, is exactly playing that separation playbook. Case of Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat?

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 6 2022 0:33 utc | 273

Peter AU1 #320

The self proclaimed exception country has been the driving force behind the rise of both Islamic and nazi extremism. It needs a few megatons of nipping to make it not so exceptional.

Thank you and I see there is an abundance of evidence for the claim. Being ‘the world leader’ in things cbw, I see the USA has commenced to nullify itself with a combination of lead and C8 in the drinking water, abundantly successful public health systems, repetitive war making to destroy any children daring to reach reproductive age etc,.
So time is on our side here and who needs a nuke?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 0:35 utc | 274

I think if it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck, and wears proudly insignias resembling swasticas, it is a Nazi. Forget ideology or political philosophy. Those who identify with historical nazi’s, whether the history is accurate or false, are probably nazi. But this is short hand. The more important point is that nazis are organized violence, or in short thugs. Sometimes the thugs grow up and clean up their act, but still support the thugs who have not. These people are still thugs, ducks, or Nazi’s. A government of a reasonably decent state should have a monopoly on domestic use of organized violence. The extent violent “political” groupings are allowed shows how weak the state in rule by law standards. When the state has in its government distinct grouping of such ducks. It is cooked.

Posted by: YY | Mar 6 2022 0:35 utc | 275

Circe @ 314
Your lack of memory — or inability to remember — is interesting to psychiatrists, I imagine.
A shame I’m not a psychiatrist.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 0:37 utc | 276

The Week in Review:
– Russian Special Operation
– German Special Army Fund
– Hate Hour is now the norm
– Censorship is now the norm
– Private Property Rights are bye bye
– Little people of the world it is now time for special sacrifices
– Be scared!!
Ain’t that Special?

Posted by: BabesOfAeroflot | Mar 6 2022 0:37 utc | 277

@karlof1 327
I’ve read the joint statement
And shared it to quite a few of my contemporaries,
Including the conservative treehouse blog,
Where it was surprisingly enough, NOT shat upon.
It turns out that many conservative Americans are anti-imperialism,
Even anti-US imperialism.
Turns out that many are against war
and don’t support the military or the domestic enforcement wing(the cops)
Many are also Pro Putin and pro Russia
Go figure.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Mar 6 2022 0:37 utc | 278

I MUST PISS ON THE CURTAINS!!!
Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 0:08 utc | 311
Thanks for the good laugh. As things are going a sense and appreciation for humor may be all that’s left to sustain sanity.
On a more serious note, I’ve noticed an absence of articles related to complaints from US Veterans about their shoddy treatment by Veterans Affairs and other like US bureaucracies. A Blob unto themselves. Not exclusive to the US tho, Five Eyes included. Putin announced a $63,000 payment for families who lost a loved one in the Battle for Ukraine. Not sure if that will be converted to Rubles.
Lay me doon in the caul caul groon
Whaur afore monie mair huv gaun
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears
Ains a year say a prayer faur me
Close yir een an remember me
Nair mair shall a see the sun
For a fell tae a Germans gun
Whereupon, laughter leaves the building.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 0:38 utc | 279

damn it, forgot:
https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/12/poland-can-and-must-follow-eu-migration-norms-view
Poland is no longer resisting immigration.
http://www.mc2mm.co.il/
Lots of fresh Ukranian victims (er, models) for MC2
Anything else I missed?

Posted by: BabesOfAeroflot | Mar 6 2022 0:41 utc | 280

“Greg Palast, whom I admire, has consumed the Putin Kool Aid I fear. Of course all the Hollywood liberals will fall in line. Frustrating to say the least.”
I looked into this … you are right … check this, Palast can’t figure out why Putin isn’t satisfied with Donbas and Crimea, I’m 10 minutes into the vid and he hasn’t mentioned NATO. So, I looked for more, and found the provocatively titled … ‘Was The Invasion of Iraq a Jewish Conspiracy?’. Palast’s answer – no, it was big oil. LOL !
BTW – you might want to check out Zerensky’s credentials for the presidency of Ukraine, he made a video parodying Slavs in 2014 … check it out …. https://www.bitchute.com/video/cD9nInt26toe/

Posted by: Saggy | Mar 6 2022 0:43 utc | 281

Cadence Calls @ 340:
There’s so much I disagree with when it comes to the Republican isolationists…but I honor their isolationism and respect the principles behind it.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 0:43 utc | 282

Oops, I left out a link to the Palast interview vid … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVTl-t1cRqU

Posted by: Saggy | Mar 6 2022 0:44 utc | 283

@331 malenkov
Okay, at least now I know where you’re coming from. I don’t have any fantasy. I’m badass and unapologetic when I have to fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 0:45 utc | 284

Scott Ritter is a slobering rusophile was my impression but does not mean he is wrong (in my view).
Posted by: jared | Mar 5 2022 22:19 utc | 218
Scott Ritter is a military professional and realist with the inside scoop on what is actually going down in Ukraine. He represents a silent but strong constituency in the professional US military, though he is presently outside of it and can speak his mind. One thing I kept hearing as a sub-text in everything he says about this topic: NATO and the West is soft and fat, unable to back up its bellicose rhetoric with an effective conventional warfare capacity. They have been on top for so long they no longer have the ability to fight a real war. The Russian military, on the other hand, has been geared for war because they see themselves as already at war. He respects the Russian military. That does not make him a slobbering Russophile. He is trying to wake people up to the reality of what is happening and that the West is playing with fire.
It seems to me that Western propaganda is so strong that even those who possess resistance to it and are aware of it still feel some of its effects. If Western powers don’t step back and take a reality pill, this will end very badly.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Mar 6 2022 0:48 utc | 285

I don’t link anything here
Never have
The troll has been busy.
Carry on.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 6 2022 0:49 utc | 286

Valkyrie would be a cool name.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 6 2022 0:49 utc | 287

I should have bolded Hudson’s statement: The Putin Doctrine opens up another way to organize the global economy. The Outlaw US Empire has not just shot itself in the foot but in its head as well. Its control levers will be attached to institutions that no longer have any power, which means that it loses the ability to control and coerce. The Anglos’s nth degree of arrogance caused them to blindly walk into a trap, or as I described in my article, to madly run at Putin only to have him sidestep and trip the onrushing enraged/deranged Uncle Sam causing him to crash onto the floor and break a wide assortment of bones.
So far I’ve refrained from making this comparison, but we’re watching the eggs being broken to construct a new omelet. And you’ll note the Russians aren’t giving anything away as to what will happen next. There’s still a lot of creative destruction that must occur before the conditions are right for a complete separation from the old system with the launch of the new–perhaps by mid-Summer, although that might be too optimistic. One thing’s certain: The Outlaw US Empire and its NATO vassals must suffer a lot of damage domestically for the current narrative to be overthrown, and we’re seeing the beginning of that already occurring.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 0:49 utc | 288

@Circe
Sorry about the “not having problems with each other” bit, I hadn’t seen the impersonstion attempts yet.
Pseudonymous media without authentication have this problem. I think in this particular case it’s acceptable.
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Another scenario: SBU “making work” on remote commute because installations have been “force majeured” 😂

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 0:49 utc | 289

@321 “Yes, a Google News search shows the government-in-exile has been discussed in various outlets since the start, but it is in WaPo and NYT now, does that make it official?”
Dunno why they chose to write about it now. Could be they are preparing their readers for a big announcement.

Posted by: dh | Mar 6 2022 0:50 utc | 290

@BabesOfAeroflot | Mar 6 2022 0:41 utc | 342
The numbers of UA refugees are impressive. And not few do not only flee from the theatre of operations, which is a sensible idea for civilians, but also from all parts of western and southwestern Ukraine. The exodus may exceed 3 million in total in the next week.
There is a reason for. Of the about 10 million Ukrainians who emigrated since the Maidan disaster, few have a legal status, most working in simple labour, as prostitutes, brawlers (“security”), farm workers, and other lower service people, with a precarious status. War refugees on the other hand have a protected legal status. And even if the UA forces surrender fast and the hostilities end soon, the war refugee status is not revoked anytime soon.
Those who planned to run, have a golden opportunity now. Of course runnig from 404 for any reason is in now way to criticize, there are real war refugees among them too.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 6 2022 0:53 utc | 291

YY #336

When the state has in its government distinct grouping of such ducks. It is cooked.

Thank you. Example: the QUAD – UKUSA+AU+CAN+JPN

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 0:55 utc | 292

Seriously, what Zelensky should be doing is negotiating terms of surrender and saving lives, not encouraging continued warfare and banning of VISA/Mastercard in Russia. The other choice is get off the stage and run.

Posted by: YY | Mar 6 2022 0:55 utc | 293

I have neither the technical means nor the time to rub a blog. b thinks he does. His issue, not mine.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 6 2022 0:29 utc | 331
Little needs said after that comment. Would add this tho, B runs a blog with a rudimentary comment section, vs. the multi billion dollar Western media machine. Yet here you are, crapping on the little guy.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 0:56 utc | 294

We are just kids from Lancashire and 60 years later, we get accused of all sorts of stuff – of which some stuff, we are guilty, but mostly innocent, most of the time.
No one has ever accused of us of being Communists, or Fascists…but they still have a go at us Lancashire lot (The Scousers are excused cos they have taken me from Oldham to the limit and we just ended up cuddling on the floor)
The Liverpool people just rolled one an gave it to me.
My Girl, from Skelmersdale, just looked on..”He is with me” and laughed.
So we moved to London, cos I lost my job in Manchester.
We are not moving anywhere. We like where we live.
No one confesses about feeling like shit over anything, over what has happened over the last two years, even more so now “war”
Promoting feeling like shit at the bottom of the pit, does not particularly go down too well, with regards to making anything, anyone feel better.
Neither my wife or I ever confess it. We just try and hold on, in the middle of the night.
So I was really down today. Nearly Depressed, but not quite, cos that is not a good place to be.
My wife and I love my “Sis” to bits…
Throughout this outrageous attack on the human race including people from Lancashire we kind of occasionaly chat to each other.
She is not my Ex. She is not my Sis, but I call her my Sis, and She calls me Bro.
I was so pissed off, with what is going on now, my wife got back home, and said I have sent you some photos
I had not turned my phone on for a week
My “Sis” (from Accrington Lancashire) texted me today.
“Are you O.K. Bro”?
She has had the Agrophobia really bad, even worse than me..
So I asked her again, and she said Yes.
I said to my wife, I have got a date.
She is coming to the Gig next Friday
which is like going from planet zero, to a lot better
We all love her to bits.
The Accrington Pals . Her Dad survived and is still alive.
Nearly 100 years old.
She is a Nurse.
She is coming to the gig with us – next Friday.
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 6 2022 0:56 utc | 295

@bjd #312
Because among other things, not everyone logs in from the same IP address.
Secondly, requiring IP address matches to login increases maintenance requirements a lot – are you going to approve all new users? Are you going to resolve complaints from legit users not able to access due to the automated blocks?

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 0:57 utc | 296

Here’s an interesting video on the fledging democracy teaching their kids of the glorious world awaiting them.
https://vk.com/video245851450_456240185

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 6 2022 0:58 utc | 297

Re: impersonators
It really isn’t hard to detect the impersonators. They are consistently slapping up 1 or 2 sentence posts, and the content is pretty much entirely obviously idiotic.
Just ignore – the vast majority of these types are short attention span.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 0:59 utc | 298

Cadence calls #@340–
Thanks for your reply. Those I term Traditional Conservatives in many ways are more liberal than Liberals and IMO are of the Henry Wallace mold. How conservative was/is the Four Freedoms that the Outlaw US Empire now attempts to deny to billions? There’s a great deal my grandparents would find completely unsatisfactory in today’s USA, and I doubt they’d want to be part of it. And I think that’s true for millions beside me and you.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 1:00 utc | 299

Poland is no longer resisting immigration.
Anything else I missed?
Posted by: BabesOfAeroflot | Mar 6 2022 0:41 utc | 342
30 some billion the EU is withholding because Poland is doing what it has done for centuries? Trying to punch above it’s weight. Always turned out badly but appears their leaders are slow learners.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 6 2022 1:01 utc | 300

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