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March 5, 2022
Zelensky And The Fascists: “He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk”

Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism states:

Lambert and I both find this is the worst informational environment either of us have faced, orders of magnitude worse than the war in Iraq, …

and:

Dear patient readers,

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I ask readers and commentators here to live by the same standard. There are too many comments now for me to read and police. Please notify me via email if there are certain trolls or offenders who deserve to be excluded from this site.

Now back to Ukraine and the big question: Why is Russia doing this?

At the Grayzone Alexander Rubinstein and Max Blumenthal have published a piece about Zelensky's turn from the peacemaker he had promised to be before his election to an active supporter of the fascist 'ultranational' militia. They pin that turn to a frontline meeting between Zelensky and militia fighters in the fall of 2019:

In a face-to-face confrontation with militants from the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who had launched a campaign to sabotage the peace initiative called “No to Capitulation,” Zelensky encountered a wall of obstinacy. 

With appeals for disengagement from the frontlines firmly rejected, Zelensky melted downon camera. “I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons,” Zelensky implored the fighters.

Once video of the stormy confrontation spread across Ukrainian social media channels, Zelensky became the target of an angry backlash.

Andriy Biletsky, the proudly fascist Azov Battalion leader who once pledged to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen”, vowed to bring thousands of fighters to Zolote if Zelensky pressed any further. Meanwhile, a parliamentarian from the party of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko openly fantasized about Zelensky being blown to bits by a militant’s grenade.

Though Zelensky achieved a minor disengagement, the neo-Nazi paramilitaries escalated their “No Capitulation” campaign. And within months, fighting began to heat up again in Zolote, sparking a new cycle of violations of the Minsk Agreement.

By this point, Azov had been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and its street vigilante wing, known as the National Corps, was deployed across the country under the watch of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, and alongside the National Police. In December 2021, Zelensky would be seen delivering a “Hero of Ukraine” award to a leader of the fascistic Right Sector in a ceremony in Ukraine’s parliament.

That is all correct. But let me point out that death threats from the fascists to Zelensky were already made much earlier.

On May 27 2019, a week after Zelensky's inauguration as president, the Ukrainian internet news site Obozrevatel published a long interview with Dmytro Anatoliyovych Yarosh, a co-founder of the Right Sector who was then the commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army. Yarosh and others like him have had little support when they tried to get elected to parliament but they, as demonstrated during Maidan, have the guns and the will to use them.

I now get an 'access denied' when I try to fetch the original interview but found a copy at archive.org.

The headline of the interview carries his main message (machine translations):

Yarosh: if Zelensky betrays Ukraine, he will lose not his position, but his life


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As the interview is quite long I will concentrate on two parts. Zelensky had promised peace and to implement the Minsk agreement. Here is Yarosh's thought about Minsk:

Interviewer: What do you mean?

Yarosh: The Minsk format – and I talk about this all the time – is an opportunity to play for time, arm the Armed Forces, switch to the best world standards in the system of national security and defense. This is an opportunity for maneuver. But no more. The implementation of the Minsk agreements is the death of our state. They are not worth a drop of blood of the guys and girls, men and women who died in this war. Not a drop.

We were better prepared during this diplomatic game for a possible large-scale Russian invasion.

I: Do you think it's time to abandon "Minsk"?

Y: Undoubtedly.

I: But Zelensky was told immediately after the elections that he had no alternatives.

Y: "They told Zelensky" … Did Zelensky say anything at all?

I: Not.

Y: And it's scary. The Supreme Commander, who says nothing at all. It's kind of empty. And it's very strange.

I: Waiting for what the newly elected president will say?

Y: Not only. Let's fight and get ready. We are waiting for what he will say and, most importantly, how he will act. "By their fruits you will know them," says Scripture. "Fruits" we will see somewhere in the fall. Zelensky is an inexperienced politician. And the retinue makes the king. And we already see who is there, "in the retinue", is beginning to appear. It does not add optimism. Because Zelensky promised his voters (I was not Zelensky's voter) that he would break the oligarchic system. But already from the first appointments, we see that the oligarchic system continues to live and flourish. And, obviously, it will continue to be so. Just the streams will be transferred.

To the 'ultranationalists' in the Ukraine the Minsk agreement was always just a fig-leaf to have time for rearming. In 2019, five years after Minsk, they already felt capable and ready to again attack and overwhelm the Donbas rebels.

Yarosh's remark about Zelensky and the oligarchs is not wrong. The streams of money sucked from Ukrainians and foreign donors were redirected under Zelensky to benefit those oligarchs, most prominently Igor Kolomoyskyy, who had supported him.

The interviewer then asks Yarosh about his relation to Kolomoyskyy who had called the conflict with Donbas a civil war. Yarosh does not mind Kolomoyskyy but rejects the 'civil war' claim:

Yarosh: [P]erhaps, something is pushing him to make such statements. Apparently, some kind of business interest.

This is the main danger of the oligarchy, as for me. They, the oligarchs, are talented people, because without talent it is impossible to build such businesses and earn billions. But the danger of the oligarchs is that they are compradors. They don't give a damn about the Motherland. They need money. Profit turns a blind eye to everything. And then you can negotiate with Russia on any terms.

And that is why Zelensky is very dangerous for us Ukrainians. I feel it.

Interviewer: What is the danger?

Y: His statements about peace at any cost are dangerous for us. Vladimir simply does not know the price of this world. He may have been with concerts close to the front. But when my boys were torn apart by Russian shells into small pieces and then these pieces had to be collected and sent to their mothers, the price somehow looks completely different.

I: Are you trying to meet him now?

Y: Yes. I have already made a couple of messages, but he is silent. Perhaps they didn't reach him. He is a busy man…

But even if this meeting does not happen, it's okay. He just needs to understand one truth: Ukrainians cannot be humiliated. Ukrainians, after seven hundred years of colonial slavery, may not yet have fully learned how to build a state. But we learned how to make an uprising very well and remove all those "eagles" who are trying to parasitize on the sweat and blood of Ukrainians. Zelensky said in his inaugural speech that he was ready to lose ratings, popularity, position… No, he would lose his life. He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk – if he betrays Ukraine and those people who died in the Revolution and the War.


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Khreshchatyk is the main street of Kiev. The above and other threats to Zelensky certainly helped to convert him from peacemaker to warmonger and friend of the various 'ultranational' militia formations.

In spring 2021 Zelensky announced that the Ukraine would retake Crimea by force. Russia then held large military maneuvers and Zelensky backed down. By November 2021 the Ukraine again made noise and said it would be retaking Donbas by force. Russia again held military maneuvers as a show of force but this time the situation deteriorated further.

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.


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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR*:

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

One of the package decision Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

On February 22 Russia recognized the Donbas republics as independent states. On February 24 Russian troops crossed the borders into the Ukraine.

The aim set for the Russian military is to de-militarize the Ukraine and to de-nazify it.

The first is easy to understand. The Russian military will simple destroy or disable all heavy weapons the Ukraine has.

The second aim requires more explanation than the above interview with Dmytro Yarosh.

As the Grayzone notes:

In November 2021, one of Ukraine’s most prominent ultra-nationalist militiamen, Dmytro Yarosh, announced that he had been appointed as an advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yarosh is an avowed follower of the Nazi collaborator Bandera who led Right Sector from 2013 to 2015, vowing to lead the “de-Russification” of Ukraine.

The threats from the fascists make it impossible for any Ukrainian politician to implement a sane policy that would lead to peace in the country.

The fascists in Ukraine are relatively few. But they have the guns and they will kill anyone who opposes them and their aims. They have been put into important state positions. (Besides that oligarchs like Kolomoyskyy pay and use them for their own purposes.)

The problem is that such ideological groups, once firmly established, tend to grow. The Right Sector is holding 'patriotic' summer camps for young Ukrainians and the Ukrainian state is financing those. They are successful and Ukrainian youths is looking up to them.

These developments are what Russia is afraid off. As Patrick Armstrong wrote at the start of the current intervention:

What [Putin] is talking about is what the Soviet Union tried to do from 1933 onwards: namely to stop Hitler before he got started. This time Russia is able to do it by itself. In other words, Putin feels that he is making a pre-emptive attack to stop June 1941. This is very serious indeed and indicates that the Russians are going to keep going until they feel that they can safely stop.

The Russian military will destroy the militia formations like the Right Sector and the Azov battalion which is currently holding the people of Mariupol as hostages. It will try to get all their leaders – dead or alive.

When the task is done the Russian military will leave the Ukraine.

Being freed from powerful fascists will enable Ukrainian politicians to re-institute sane policies.

That's the plan.

But will it work?

That is probably the wrong question. One should ask to what degree and for how long will it work.

After Ukraine's independence it took the 'ultranationalists' 22 years, and the help of the CIA, to come to power. Once eliminated they may claw back, but it will take them some time. The Ukraine will be busy with reviving its economy. It will have little money to spend on arms.  

Thirty years later Russia may see a repeat of the confrontation. But 30 years are quite a long time.


* Ukraine could not break the permissive action link security codes of those nuclear weapons so it actually gave up nothing.

Comments

I tried to go the channel of RT [Russia Today] at youtube.com and I got the message from youtube : “This channel is not available in your country.”
Then I tried to go to the websites https://www.rt.com/ and https://sputniknews.com/ and in both cases I got the message : “The connection has timed out. The server at http://www.rt.com is taking too long to respond.”
I used to think the Internet was censorship-free in practice. Not any more.

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 20:07 utc | 101

How in the world did we sink so low in our part of the world??
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 5 2022 20:04 utc | 100

Sinking low is what happens when privilege replaces merit.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 5 2022 20:07 utc | 102

This is a great article b.
It really nails “the reason” for Moscows action.
Thanks a lot.

Posted by: Dim sim | Mar 5 2022 20:10 utc | 103

New situational maps as of 22:00 05.03.2022 ==> https://dragon-first-1.livejournal.com/49767.html

Posted by: too scents | Mar 5 2022 20:12 utc | 104

@ Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 17:55 utc | 23
Facile nonsense. The US public has no more or less influence on US government policy than the Russian public does on Russian government policy. You haven’t a clue what genuine democracy is, but I can assure you it exists in meaningful form nowhere on earth. As for Ukrainian Nazis, one great irony of your post is that it was the Soviet Union’s existence, more than anything else, that led to the end of formal apartheid in the US (PR embarrasment in the ideological war against communism). Your comparison of the modern KKK in the US with the Ukrainian ethnonationalist movement reflects only ignorance. Can you point me to the KKK battalion of the US army? Which avowed KKK members are in positions of high governmental and military power in the US? As B mentioned, the Ukrainian population as a whole are not Nazis, but they can only elect a government that remains hostage to the Nazi forces there, at least unless and until those forces are erradicated. Zelensky was in fact elected on a platform of reform and peace. He was unable to implement the Minsk agreement despite that. Zelensky exercises no real power in Ukraine.
I certainly agree with you that the modern GOP is highly problematic, but that’s consistent with my view, not yours. We saw GOP members carry confederate flags into the capitol during an insurrection to install an unelected president in 2020. That was an unsuccessful version of the successful insurrection that happened in Ukraine in 2014 (whose insurrectionists also carried a confederate flag, FYI). But I understand the GOP and its insurrectionists to be highly probmlematic in the US, not something to ignore or laugh off. If you oppose the modern GOP, its insurrection, and its ethnonationalist base in the US, it’s just odd that you casually dismiss those very same forces in Ukraine. If you oppose ethnonationalism, it is objectively good if Ukrainian Nazi paramilitaries get wiped off the planet. Whether you think that justifies military invasion by Russia or not is a different question. But you must at least address the question on those terms.

Posted by: J. Brown | Mar 5 2022 20:15 utc | 105

From Sputnik:
Four Ukrainian Su-27 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-B) fighter jets, one Mil Mi-8 (NATO reporting name: Hip) helicopter, and a Turkish-made Bayraktar TB-2 drone were shot down in the area around Zhytomir on 5 March, the Russian Defence Ministry has stated.
Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that the four jets were downed in an aerial fight, while air defences on the ground took down the Mi-8 helicopter, Bayraktar drone, as well as an Su-25 (NATO reporting name: Frogfoot) fighter jet.
My question: Where are these aircraft launching from?

Posted by: Woogs | Mar 5 2022 20:20 utc | 106

Rick Rubles | 106
Please go away and write your (coherent) leftist analysis of the situation. Instead of tossing gutter insults.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 5 2022 20:21 utc | 107

Vladimir Putin declares war on the Straussians
by Thierry Meyssan
Russia is not waging war on the Ukrainian people, but on a small group of people within US power who have transformed Ukraine without knowing it, the Straussians. It was formed half a century ago and has already committed an incredible amount of crimes in Latin America and the Middle East unbeknownst to the United States. Here is their story.

Posted by: Roy | Mar 5 2022 20:26 utc | 108

Rick Rubles| 110Please explain to me Brownie: If Ukraine is controlled by nazis, how the fuck did a Jew get elected?
Because the other candidates were absolutely terrible?

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 5 2022 20:26 utc | 109

@ Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:20 utc | 110
Instead of me explaining what B already explained in the post you didn’t read, why don’t you explain to me why you ardently support Nazi military forces in Ukraine and why you insist that they be defended by the US government at all costs? Forget about Russia, let’s talk about your love affair with Nazis.

Posted by: J. Brown | Mar 5 2022 20:26 utc | 110

@Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:20 utc | 110
If Ukraine is controlled by nazis, how the fuck did a Jew get elected?
You clearly did not read b’s post (b is our host).
Stop polluting and go read b’s post (found above the comments) before
you post again.

Posted by: librul | Mar 5 2022 20:27 utc | 111

I think the West is so used to getting its own way in coups, regime changes, sabotage in other countries, among other ghastly deeds that Putin’s invasion of Ukraine took them by surprise and that they’ve spat the dummy out, and that’s why we are seeing the mass hysteria pushed by the Wests MSM on the “evil Russians”, which is quickly leading to a Russian cancel culture in Europe.
Such is power of the Western MSM to blacken the name of all things Russian, that the Czech government issued a decree that declares expressing a favorable opinion about the Russian intervention a crime that will make you liable to prosecution and imprisonment.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 5 2022 20:27 utc | 112

@WJ | Mar 5 2022 18:49 utc | 50

U.S. and allies are quietly preparing a Ukrainian government-in-exile led by Zelensky as Washington and European officials anticipate that the Russian military will reverse its early losses, setting the stage to support Ukraine for a long, bloody insurgency against Russia – 🇺🇸 Washington Post

It isn’t very quiet if it is published in Washington Post, is it?
This sounds like “ironclad” support for Ukraine, it is hand waving. Oh, and Guido was a great success.
/s

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2022 20:29 utc | 113

@94
Does that make you feel better?
You won’t do any convincing with your “arguments” around here.
Get it all out of your system, and leave.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 5 2022 20:31 utc | 114

The Russian invasion is succeeding militarily. Russia has a political challenge. It must establish a strong, neutral, Ukrainian government. The remaining objective of the US is to sow chaos and stoke an insurgency in Ukraine that bleeds Russia. Each side has a strategy and a game plan. Each side’s strategy is unfolding according to plan. Neither side is crazy or irrational. Neither plan is stupid. At the top neither side is shitting their pants or hysterical. Each side is methodically executing its respective plan. Each side has thought through the other’s possible actions and reactions and has thought through various options. We’ll see how things develop.

Posted by: Rodrigo | Mar 5 2022 20:32 utc | 115

The current situation in Ukraine has once again invigorated the lying Western media and sent them into an anti-Russian frenzy. For the last two years the media has been enthusiastically pushing the genocidal Covid narrative on behalf of the Globalist faction. Whatever doubtful credibility they had prior to Covid they have destroyed with their relentless lies. With an astonishing lack of self-awareness they are now pushing the anti-Russian narrative like the unprincipled mindless hacks that they are. Ignoring both facts and context they are relentlessly promoting war propaganda to justify this hostility to their own beleaguered populations.
The unfortunate reality is that despite unprecedented distrust in the media that propaganda works. Anti-Russian sentiment is rising throughout the West. We have witnessed the same phenomena with the rabid anti-China narrative emanating from Western governments and their client stenographers in the media. The message is clear, unless you are a pliant puppet of the Anglo-American empire, then obviously you are evil and must be destroyed.
The truth of course is deeper, the real war the Globalists are fighting is against the citizenry of every country on earth. As the Covid atrocity is being rapidly exposed the repression of the people is the only option open to the New World Order Davos cabal. As has always been the case, a war abroad is the best excuse to impose tyranny at home. The Western Neo-liberal governments of America, Canada, Australia and most of Europe cannot afford to be removed from power. The full anger of the people will be unleashed full power against those who imposed the Genocidal Covid lie upon them. Trudeau, Macron et al will be held to account (one way or another) for their pivotal roles in this atrocity. They cannot allow that to happen, they have too much to lose.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/03/05/the-war-on-humanity/

Posted by: ld | Mar 5 2022 20:34 utc | 116

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2022 20:29 utc | 121

Government in exile? I can’t imaging the Zelenskyy would want any part of it. Left to his own will I think he would much rather slither away.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 5 2022 20:35 utc | 117

@Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 20:07 utc | 103

Then I tried to go to the websites https://www.rt.com/ and https://sputniknews.com/ and in both cases I got the message : “The connection has timed out. The server at http://www.rt.com is taking too long to respond.”
I used to think the Internet was censorship-free in practice. Not any more.

This problem seems to be local to some countries. I have visited those sites several times today without any problem, I just did it right now, and I am not doing anything special, no VPN or anything like that.
That said, where such censorship happens consistently, it is a signal that democracy is dead. Without freedom of the press (yes I know most of them are presstitutes) there is no democracy.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2022 20:35 utc | 118

Can anyone explain to me why the Kremlin has found it necessary to take Kiev and even much of the Western, Ukrainian speaking, portion of the country, rather than merely having taken the Novorossiyan [SE and to E] crescent, roughly from Odessa to Keherson to Mariupol to Donetsk to Lugansk, and perhaps all the way to Khrkiv, and maybe D’Nipro as well?
The mostly Russian inhabitants of those areas would obviously have been more sympathetic to the arrival of Russian troops, viewing them as liberators not occupiers, and, with all forces concentrated on taking only the eastern oblasts, and more important still, on securing all of the good harbors, which would both keep Ukraine from resupplying itself by ship, and would also keep NATO naval vessels, with their dangerous cruise missiles, out of both the Sea of Azov and the entire Black Sea, the incursion might have attained its primary goals more efficiently and rapidly.
The incursion as it actually happened also seems to fly in the face of Lavrov’s comments a few years back that Russia didn’t recognize the two people’s republics after the main 2014 political events for fear that there were enough Ukrainian-identified citizens, even in the eastern oblasts, and especially in Kharkiv, that doing so might well lead to a protracted bloody civil war.
But now we obviously see very different thinking from the Kremlin. Indeed they seem to be pursuing a kind of “maximalist” strategy of crushing the Kiev regime and then pacifying the entire country. I don’t see why they believe that doing so is necessary.

Posted by: William Fusfield | Mar 5 2022 20:36 utc | 119

As b said above: “The problem is that such ideological groups, once firmly established, tend to grow.”
This is exactly the problem the US faces as well. They are well on the way to having armed militia calling the shots with he backing of a lot of US oligarchs.
Scary times indeed.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Mar 5 2022 20:39 utc | 120

Well, I think the US setting up an exiled government for Zelensky in Poland is the right move. They certainly don’t want Zelensky reaching a peace with Russia, for several reasons. This way they maintain their puppet and their control over him (can you imagine the blackmail/threats he must be getting?); they get to set up an insurgency, which is good for arms sales, and which they like doing anyway; they get all the PR and stuff that they are so interested in; and they (hopefully) bog down Russia fighting an insurgency war in Ukraine that bleeds their military and decimates them on the world PR stage. Because there will be lots of civilian casualties. LOTS. This is the best thing about an insurgency. Note that it also gives the US the chance to set up chemical false-flags a la Russia, and so on and so forth.
So if I were a sociopath in DC, this is the route I would choose given my present options. I want Zelensky OUT of Ukraine and close by my chosen security personnel for him, etc. I want to ensure that the war drags on and on and on and has no end; and I want to ensure that as many civilians die as possible. The insurgency strategy helps me achieve all three aims.
In other news, I just read on ASB news that Russia will now allow Russian companies to pay debts to companies from hostile countries in rubles.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 5 2022 20:40 utc | 121

@130
I’m hardly on the left.
As most here would attest.
You’re just shifting the board, so leave.

Posted by: Cadence | Mar 5 2022 20:43 utc | 122

WJ 79 james 91
in reading through a couple of twitter accounts earlier I see local militias have already been formed in Kharkov and are tracking down the local nazi’s.
As for what happens to Ukraine in the future? The Russians always seem to have a number of options up their sleeve and only decide on one according to the circumstances at the time a decision needs to be made.
The Kremlin, Ministry of foreign affairs of the Russian Federation, and Russian Ministry of Defence are the only places to get reliable information and I have not been able to access them since this began.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2022 20:44 utc | 123

Rick Rubles| 130
OK, let’s all go to Ukraine and agitate for a socialist revolution. Happy? You first.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 5 2022 20:45 utc | 124

Posted by: WJ | Mar 5 2022 20:40 utc | 132

Chef’s kiss! The country that pays its debts with the softest currency wins.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 5 2022 20:46 utc | 125

The far longer term and more serious problem as I see it is that the ‘West’ will never give up.
Even when Putin is gone, if his successor is not amenable to western ‘charms’ then the pressure and white-anting will continue until Russia is conquered. The forces against Russia have deep pockets and will never ever give up even if it means working across generations to come.
Same goes for China, Iran etc.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Mar 5 2022 20:49 utc | 126

No one has seen the jewish clown president in days. There are rumors he’s in Poland; the smart money says he’s already at his villa in Miami working on his tan.
Such a Jewish hero he is;
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 5 2022 20:51 utc | 127

If zalensky is still safe. He should consider not to trust the nato/CIA bodyguards and their promise of safe passage.
b’s analysis is spot on.
The MSM are just blowing all their sirens to divert us from the nazi reality of Ukerain.
Ugh … here is Luke The Farce Harding’s latest vomit in the Guardian.
“ Ukrainians defy Putin’s hopes of swift victory as 66,000 return from overseas to fight
US says Ukraine ‘absolutely can win’ as Russia bombs multiple civilian targets
Luke Harding
The image is one of the most evocative of the war so far. Ukrainian self-defence forces surround a man in a blue uniform. His T-shirt is bloody. The captive is a Russian pilot. “
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Well I hope they treat the pilot pow with due respect as a PoW.
Not that Luke is interested in that article by the time I stopped reading it.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 5 2022 20:51 utc | 128

Once you start believing that a Jew can get elected in a nation you allege is controlled by nazis, you are in cuckoo land, you’ve crossed the point of no return.

Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:37 utc | 130

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.
A NEO-NAZI BATTALION IN THE HEART OF EUROPE
“Volunteer Ukrainian Unit Includes Nazis.”—USA Today, March 10, 2015
The DC establishment’s standard defense of Kiev is to point out that Ukraine’s far right has a smaller percentage of seats in the parliament than their counterparts in places like France. That’s a spurious argument: What Ukraine’s far right lacks in polls numbers, it makes up for with things Marine Le Pen could only dream of—paramilitary units and free rein on the streets.
Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.

Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
I know I shouldn’t feed the troll but I enjoy exposing his bullshit!

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2022 20:52 utc | 129

William Fusfield | Mar 5 2022 20:36 utc | 129
Demilitarizing and denazifying. that is the destruction of all heavy weapons, bases, stockpiles and catch as many Nazi’s and nationalists as possible. That I think will include the Ukraine SBU and Interior ministry.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2022 20:52 utc | 130

@ Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:20 utc | 110
Jews can’t be Nazis?
I will direct your attention to the apartheid state of Israel in which Jews every day use Nazi techniques in their ethnic cleansing campaign against their subhumans, i.e. Palestinians.
Zelensky’s subhumans – to which he has referred to as “specimens” – are in another class of Nazi subhumans, i.e. Russians, against whom he has been conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign sign 2014.
So yeah, Jews can be Nazis.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 5 2022 20:53 utc | 131

This Rick rubles troll is the worst I’ve seen on here for a while, A bunch of brain dead childish insults and than asks a question that is explained in B’s article than admits he didn’t read the article because he has no interest in what B has to say, comparing him to the intelligence agencies’ clownish psyop “Q”. Is there money set aside in the NED / Bellingcat PR type groups to pay for trolls like this? If so they need to pay more intelligent ones that can actually read for this comments section.

Posted by: James C | Mar 5 2022 20:55 utc | 132

@Rob | Mar 5 2022 18:27 utc | 39
How do you rationalize Zelensky staying in Kiev and risking death for democracy in Ukraine when your Russian stooge Yanukovych fled like a little bitch back to Moscow?
You dopes have been duped by a russian psy-op

No rationalization needed. Zelensky left Kiev long time ago.
Someone indeed has been duped by psy-op

Posted by: Vazejatha | Mar 5 2022 20:56 utc | 133

It seems that Zelensky was given a surprise proposition from the Ukronazis and CIA that he could not refuse: do our bidding or you will die! Like so many others, he had no choice. So, Zelenski had to come up with a strategy to survive contact with the CIA and its thugs.
A different understanding: Zelenski is pressing a reductio ad absurdum on Ukraine and the Ukronazis in order to save his scalp and (as a secondary benefit save the country): Ukraine has no chance of winning against Russia; Russia will de-Nazify Ukraine; he may survive the purge … and hope for mercy by finally confessing that he did what he did to ensure Russian intervention.
Otherwise, one cannot understand or justify Zelensky’s mindboggling stupidity.

Posted by: GoDark | Mar 5 2022 20:58 utc | 134

There is a website service called https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
where you put in a address that’s down at your end and the service answers the question “Is it Down for Everyone or Just Me?”.
I put in https://mid.ru/en/ and http://mid.ru/ and I was told : It’s not just you! mid.ru is down right now.
Likewise kremlin.ru is down right now for everyone and not just down for me.
RT.com and sputniknews.com are still down for me, but they are not down when tested at https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 21:00 utc | 135

My question: Where are these aircraft launching from?
Woogs | Mar 5 2022 20:20 utc | 111
Not sure if they were genuine or not but some days back I saw pics of planes fueling up on a road near the Polish border. so most likely either from a road near the Polish border or from Poland.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2022 21:01 utc | 136

I think that as is to be expected the situation in Ukraine is fluid. My thinking is this:
1. Originally Putin was mostly bluff ie he was pressuring Z and NATO to be rational – go back to Minsk and remove obvious threats from Ukraine. The foolish reaction of the West to what was a very good deal and one dangerous to Russia, I suspect surprised him.
2. When he threatened technical/military responses I think he was still not sure what he would do. He was preparing for all options but my guess is his first thoughts were to demonstrate power in Syria. He was still trying hard to present Russia as reasonable and law abiding.
3. He decided i think that since Minsk has failed he would recognise the two breakaway states without significantly expanding their existing lines of control. He was vague on this deliberately.
4. Something spooked Putin in late February. It was probably the nuclear statement, combined with the obvious utter unwillingness of the West to compromise. It may have been bioweapon reports. Whatever it was the decision was made to take military action in Ukraine, rather than Syria. However even at that point the objectives were limited. Put enough pressure on Z and get an agreed outcome. The two independent nations would be recognised, but Z could keep the rest, provided he turfed the USA out. So it was very much go slow – grab the obvious targets, weaken the UA military but do little damage.
5. Once again I think Russia was surprised at the reaction of the West and the over reaction in PR terms. Suddenly Russia had nothing to lose by going in hard. Russia had comprehensively lost the PR war, so nothing remained to be protected or salvaged. (I think the PR war was lost back in 2008, and Putin and Lavrov were way too optimistic). Anyway once it was obvious that Russia was to be made an international leper, I imaging that Putin sees no reason to hold back. He will take as much of Ukraine as he wants, provided he can hold it reasonably easily.
6. Where do we currently stand. a) Russia will I think keep control over all the coast line of the Sea of Azov, whether through Donesk or Russia itself is unclear, but I would think that Russia would be wise to take tight, direct control of Mariupol. b) Russia will if it can, take full control of the Ukrainian coast, including Odessa. Whether this is possible strategically i have no idea. Also I have no idea whether control is sustainable long term. This depends on the sentiments of the residents. c) Russia will probably encourage the formation of several new states or at least one with Karkov as capital. d) Russia will probably support behind the scenes moves to give Galicia to Poland, or to set it up as an independent nation. e) Z can keep the rest.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 5 2022 21:02 utc | 137

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Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:30 utc | 122

Posted by: librul | Mar 5 2022 21:04 utc | 138

Since the Russian operation in Ukraine, my step-dad has been hearing about it on the news. Mind you, he’s never followed politics, and couldn’t even find Russia on a map. He looked angry, and said :
« It makes me want to go to Ukraine, and help them fight the Russians. »
While Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya « wars » were going on, he never had such a reaction. It just goes to show the power of propaganda to influence « hearts and minds ». Mind you, he’s an idiot in general.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 5 2022 21:04 utc | 139

https://mid.ru/en/ is statements of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, in English. The site is currently down. When it comes back, it is a good place to find out the point of view of Sergei Lavrov and the Russian govt.

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 21:05 utc | 140

It’s not just Azov. Here’s “Vedmedi SS”, another Nazi detachment within Ukrainian Armed Forces: photos (Meine Ehre heißt Treue was the motto of SS).

Posted by: S | Mar 5 2022 21:05 utc | 141

@digital dinosaur | Mar 5 2022 20:49 utc | 138
Your comment is valid. This is only the beginning of much more to come!
To re-post a comment I made in the previous thread in response to a troll themed comment about Russia being trapped,
“There are traps and there are open conflicts.
1) The war in Ukraine is defacto the most recent hot proxy war (after Syria) between the US and Russia.
2) It is also the first (open conflict) stage of a wider evolving ‘war’ between the future world powers (multipolar) and the existing US dominated (hegemonic) system.
3) It is a US economic and political ‘trap’ for the EU, and
4) It is militarily, a US ‘reconquest’ and securing of its Atlantic ‘front’ in the future world power conflict.
1) and 2) relate to open conflicts, present and future and cannot be categorized as traps for now.
3) is a trap, if there are any to speak of.
4) is a logistical positioning of military assets for future conflict.”
I see the Russian operation in Ukraine as manoeuvring their way out of a potential ‘trap’ not succumbing to one.
Yes this process we are witnessing will continue for the duration of most of our lives. The Criminal Empire will not fold until they have nothing left to play.

Posted by: Spinworthy | Mar 5 2022 21:06 utc | 142

#116

how the fuck did a Jew get elected?

The Man Who Sold Ukraine

Volodymyr Zelensky is the current President of Ukraine. He was elected in a landslide victory in 2019 on the promise of easing tensions with Russia and resolving the crisis in the breakaway republics in east Ukraine. He has made no attempt to keep his word on either issue. Instead, he has greatly exacerbated Ukraine’s internal crisis while relentlessly provoking Russia. Zelensky has had numerous opportunities to smooth things over​ with Moscow and prevent the outbreak of hostilities. Instead, he has consistently made matters worse by blindly following Washington’s directives.
Zelensky has been lionized in the west and praised for his personal bravery. But—as a practical matter—he has failed to restore national unity or implement the crucial peace accord that is the only path to reconciliation. The Ukrainian president doesn’t like the so-called Minsk Protocol and has refused to meet its basic requirements. As a result, the ethnically-charged, fratricidal war that has engulfed Ukraine for the last 8 years, continues to this day with no end in sight.

Posted by: C_A | Mar 5 2022 21:07 utc | 143

MMA fighter from Arkansas offering more astute political commentary than the entire Western media apparatus.
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1500145960990789636

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Mar 5 2022 21:08 utc | 144

Amazing how this new guy Rick R is still here and vk is gone.

Posted by: morongobill | Mar 5 2022 21:08 utc | 145

It is possible for someone of Jewish background to be “elected” President of a country whose army and security forces are infiltrated by neo-Nazis if both the President and the neo-Nazis are bring controlled by the same cynical powers operating behind the scenes, one of whom is Ihor Kolomoisky (triple national of Cyprus, Israel and Ukraine) whose money helps support the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion among others.
On one level it may be amusing to see wealthy political elites like Kolomoisky and Petri Poroshenko (also of Jewish background) and the neo-Nazi factions in Ukrainian politics acting in concert together, thinking they can use the other group and bend those people to their demands. Whether they will cooperate right to the very end when Ukraine is dismembered or turn on each other at the first sign of trouble will say a great deal about what kind of psychopaths they are.
Individual Jews and neo-Nazis can work together if they have common goals in the way two serial killers can work together. Past history or ideology do not count. Eventually though the two will turn on each other and rat each other out.
That Rick Rubles brings up this meme of “How can Ukraine be neo-Nazi when its leader is Jewish?” shows how far down the public relations rabbit hole this RR troll has fallen. Zelensky was selected to be leader precisely because Ukraine is dominated by neo-Nazi forces, to throw confusion among people like RR who do not realise they are being played for fools.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2022 21:09 utc | 146

Woogs | Mar 5 2022 20:20 utc | 111
“My question: Where are these aircraft launching from?”
My own guess
; One possible answer to that is Romania. You can quite often see UK (mainly) stratotankers flying in long loops, parallel to the Moldovian frontier. (Use Flightradar24, many people do. there are others.) they are seen mainly during the day. Who are they refueling? Easy to guess. (The origin of the fighters may not even be Romania itself but further south.
Fighter jets and military aircraft are not necessarily visible on Flightradar24 as they turn their transponders off.
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Moldova demanded it’s adhesion to the EU, so in reply Transnistria demanded its Independance. If you check out the position of Transnistria, it runs up a long valley on the south west of Ukraine. This could make a logical final frontier of any Russian advance in that direction.
It also makes an effective method of encircling Odessa from a “distance” and cutting it off from West Ukraine. With just a little bit of extra effort it could be joined to the shoreline and cut any communications from Odessa as far as Romania. Odessa itself cannot really be left in US hands (They were developing the port to threaten Sevastopol. Giving themselves a major Naval base within shouting distance.)
However, the beach was mined even before the commencement of hostilities, although “repeats” of the earlier videos have beeen seen in twitterland.
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Odessa saw the massacres in 2014 but I am not sure what percentage of the population would be pro or anti Russian now. The presence of “mercenaries” from the west (regular US/UK/French troops in drag?) makes local “sympathy” to one or the other side problematic.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 5 2022 21:14 utc | 147

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Posted by: librul | Mar 5 2022 21:19 utc | 148

@ 111 woogs…. don’t know… stonebirds speculation is interesting… good question though.. i wonder if it is true or not… not reading it on anna news yet.. and it is not on this site either – https://t.me/s/QVINTAAETAS/
@ Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2022 20:44 utc | 134… thanks.. i’m not able to access en.kremlin.ru either… the revolution will not be televised…

Posted by: james | Mar 5 2022 21:22 utc | 149

Jimmy Dore did an episode recently showing how the Neo Nazis have infiltrated every level of the government and military in Ukraine
https://youtu.be/KfaAyiP8Wuc
(25:49)
He even has a photo of Joe Biden shaking the hand of the leader of C-14

S14, also known as C14 or Sich[1] (Ukrainian: Січ, romanized: С14), is a neo-Nazi,[2][3][4] Ukrainian nationalist group founded in 2010.[5] In 2018, it gained notoriety for its involvement in violent attacks on Romani camps.[6][7][8] S14 stated that it is only involved in removing illegal Romani camps using “compelling legitimate arguments”.[9]
S14 was founded in 2010 as the youth wing of the ultranationalist political party Svoboda.[1] S14 was one of the far-right groups active during the Euromaidan movement (November 2013 – February 2014).[1] They were involved with skirmishes with the violent pro-government supporters known as Titushky.[1] In 2018, alongside the Azov Battalion’s National Corps party, S14 was recognized by the US State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor as a nationalist hate group.[10][11] S14 shares the Azov Battalion’s and Social-National Assembly’s neo-Nazi aims.[11][nb 1] OpenDemocracy commented that S14 combines generic healthy patriotic message with “subtler hints which can be easily deciphered by members of the subculture (such as the symbolic date of the Roma pogrom on Hitler’s birthday or indeed the very name of the organization).”[11][12]

S14 (Ukrainian group)

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2022 21:22 utc | 150

@too scents | Mar 5 2022 20:35 utc | 127

Government in exile? I can’t imaging the Zelenskyy would want any part of it. Left to his own will I think he would much rather slither away.

Zelensky is just a tool, it does not matter what he prefers. But if they made him a president in exile like Guido it would not work very long. The level of crazy hysteria we have had with Covid and now Ukraine cannot be sustained forever if people learn to read the signs that are very clear.
I was out shopping for the first time in months today, all masks and that idiocy was totally gone. People now pretend it didn’t happen, they lie to themselves. It did happen and it has caused enormous damage. We need to learn to identify the lies and hysteria, because it pops up again and again to serve the people in control: 911, climate change, covid, Ukraine and lots more. The point is to keep people afraid so they can be robbed of both basic freedoms and money.
This Zelensky dude must be outed as the puppet he is, and we must punish the puppeteers.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2022 21:23 utc | 151

Zelensky is definitely screwed.
If he’s got the nationalist battalions on one side pushing him, along with NATO and the west,
And Russia on the other…..
His country was already one of the poorest, most corrupt in Europe,
And now it’s war across the nation.
It seems he is in an untenable position.
Is there an exit for Zelensky that involves him retaining his Presidency?
I don’t think so.
He’s out, one way or the other.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Mar 5 2022 21:28 utc | 152

Nazi this Nazi that, who cares? The only thing I’m sure of is this fact; If the empire and their minion NATO, would have responded to Putin’s legitimate security concerns weeks ago, by a reasoned response, what has taken place since, wouldn’t have.
Conclusion; The empire and it’s ass-kissers wanted today’s events to happen…

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 5 2022 21:28 utc | 153

People, please don’t respond to the troll formerly known as king donkey rear .org, (variations thereof), and don’t quote large sections of that troll’s posts. Doing so complicates our host’s cleanup work.
I am surprised that more readers don’t recognize that troll’s infantile writing style.
Also note that post numbers will be changing. Normally I just use the post number myself when I am referencing a previous post but in this case, knowing that the post numbers will change, I would use the timestamp.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 5 2022 21:33 utc | 154

All this talk of Jews and Nazis here is mostly highly uninformed and equally tasteless, to put it mildly. There is nothing automatic between being a Jew and not being a Nazi as there is nothing automatic between being any nationality, religion or other persuasion and political affiliation. Human beings are contradictory, always have been and will be because they are highly complex. Read Carl Gustav Jung, for example.
– As for relevant news: On Monday and Tuesday, 7 and 8 March, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) will hear arguments of Ukraine and Russia in the case against Russia for violating the Genocide Convention.Ukraine wants the Court to indicate provisional measures.
The heargins on that request are from 10-13h European time. The hearings can be watched on the ICJ website:
https://www.icj-cij.org/public/files/case-related/182/182-20220301-PRE-01-00-EN.pdf
– The Prosector of the International Criminal Court (ICC) has announced that he has opened an investigation into the events in Ukraine, and has received referrals from 39 states! The ICC is still new, and that is unprecedented (in its relatively short history).
https://www.icc-cpi.int/Pages/item.aspx?name=2022-prosecutor-statement-referrals-ukraine

Posted by: JB | Mar 5 2022 21:33 utc | 155

Looks like most Germans have bought into the US/Nato/EU narrative when it comes to Russia, even if it causes hardship at home.
“Most Germans support sanctions against Russia over the invasion of Ukraine, even if the measures lead to energy supply bottlenecks and increase the cost of living, according to a survey by infratest dimap commissioned by public broadcaster ARD.
A total of 66 percent of Germans are concerned that the Russian invasion of Ukraine will lead to cuts in German power and gas supply. An ever higher percentage of Germans, 69 percent, are concerned there will be another major war in Europe.
Despite the concerns of reduced gas and power supply, 68 percent of Germans support sanctions against Russia, the survey found. Sixty-six percent support sanctions even if they lead to high energy prices and cost of living.”
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Germans-Support-Sanctions-On-Russia-Even-If-Energy-Prices-Soar.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 5 2022 21:34 utc | 156

Posted by: Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 20:33 utc | 125
Hey, turdblossom, shove your fake anti-Semitism up your …hole

Posted by: Boo | Mar 5 2022 21:36 utc | 157

@Peter AU1 150: thanks for that. I’m surprised that at this point the Ukies can get anythong into the air.

Posted by: Woogs | Mar 5 2022 21:36 utc | 158

Can someone send little Rickie home to do some research. Seems he’s lost.

Posted by: Macmuir | Mar 5 2022 21:40 utc | 159

“…If we cannot control a country we use thugs. Standard operating procedure.”
Posted by: circumspect | Mar 5 2022 18:38 utc | 42
It was Colin Powell who said, “If you break it, you own it.” I did think that was a warning back in the day. Now, not so sure. But I’ll grant him the better version, since he’s no longer here to do so.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 5 2022 21:43 utc | 160

Denazifying Ukraine?
After eight years of as mall violent minority ruling the streets, Ukraine may well be ready for it, civilians now being held as hostages – human shields. Russia has a track record with Chechnya and Syria. In Syria Russia did what I thought was impossible and separated local militia’s from the international terrorist/extremist groups and started them in reconciliation talks with the government.
I think Russia will be looking to see if there is enough sanity in Ukraine that it can become self policing re the nationalists and Nazi’s. Russia presence if required just to guard against external forces as in Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2022 21:45 utc | 161

Rick Rubles: please create a thread or forum somewhere and post the link in case anyone here wants to read your stuff. Don’t get your hopes up, tho, since you are already repeating what little you have.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 5 2022 21:47 utc | 162

@ William Fusfield #129 asked a good question and nobody gave him a good answer. His question is why has Russia gone militarily into the parts of Russia where the local population is predominantly anti-Russian.
Clearly today there is a military objective for Russia to win control of all of the previous administrative territories of the two Donbass provinces. You may agree or disagree about the merits of having that objective. Regardless of whether you do so, you can agree that enlarging the pro-Russia-controlled part of the Donbass can be done without military operations in Kiev or Kharkov or Kherson.
When I read Putin’s 24 Feb 2022 speech, I got the impression that Putin seriously thinks that he can, by military force, get the anti-Russian part of the Ukraine to agree to not join NATO.
Capitulation of the Ukrainian armed forces has to happen sooner or later. But that is a much lesser thing than the capitulation of the whole country and its people. The Russians do not have the manpower to take control of the country in the face of the resistance and rejections from a majority of the residents.
I think Russia has made a strategic error and I think this military initiative is going to end in failure for them, even though they will win the surrender of the Ukrainian army.

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 21:47 utc | 163

@Rick Rubles
I’m a real leftist, not a fake one, as is currently the fashion in the US, where they also believe in the fallacy that democracy is ALL ABOUT voting, and not about policy reflecting the needs of the people.
I bet you are a « democrat », and believe everything your « side » says, including CNN etc. as the Gospel. In that, you’re the one who’s a dupe, and you would understand things more clearly if you considered other views, to weigh what is more likely, especially when taking a wider view, where you’ll be more likely to understand the trees if you’re looking at the whole forest.
Vary your sources, and be skeptical. Partisanship – especially one to controlled opposition such as the Dems – won’t lead you to the truth. Approach your quest for truth as those investigators do in cop shows, taking sources as witness testimonials.
And if you’re not here on a quest for truth, then you’re wasting everybody’s time.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 5 2022 21:49 utc | 164

Gonzalo Lira explains (from undisclosed location in Kharkhov, Ukraine) the phenomenon of Zelensky.
He talks a lot and swears a lot, but if you want to know something about Kolomoisky and Zelensky, watch this.
Who Is Zelensky? A Puppet—and Here’s Why

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2022 21:50 utc | 165

@Stonebird 164: any country aiding Ukraine in that fashion becomes a combatant and thus a legitimate target. I can’t imagine Ukraine being able to launch aircraft without help, though.

Posted by: Woogs | Mar 5 2022 21:50 utc | 166

B.
PLEASE stop this creepy guy!
Can anyone tell me anything about the history of Chechnya and its relationship to Russia? I heard it’s run by an Islamist warlord who rapes 14 year old brides and happens to be tight with VP? Is this true?
Posted by: Curious Rubles | Mar 5 2022 21:49 utc | 187

Posted by: Virgile | Mar 5 2022 21:51 utc | 167

If Ze is hanged, it will not be the Russians doing it (I believe).
I think Ze might be useful to the Russians and would like to help with the rebuilding.
I suspect his behavior is controlled.
Not that it matters why to the reality of what needs to happen.

Posted by: jared | Mar 5 2022 21:54 utc | 168

No one in Europe is supporting any Nazis. Some are using Nazis. It all ends the same, either way. The Nazis die, and no one cares.
But the war is about NATO and the missile bases moving East.

Posted by: Robert Rangewolf | Mar 5 2022 21:54 utc | 169

@Rick Rubles | Mar 5 2022 21:04 utc
And he continues to govern from Kiev while taking videographic evidence of his presence in Kiev.
Zelensky is not in Kiev. Video graphic “evidence” was taken in some basement in Lvov.
Bdv. How do you rationalize that Israeli oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi is financing neo-Nazi, Jew hating paramilitary brigade Azov?

Posted by: Vajezatha | Mar 5 2022 21:55 utc | 170

Patrick Lancaster News Today Report … on the ground interviews with soldiers and civilians in the Donbas as the “regime of quiet” crumbles …
Russia – Ukraine War Ceasefire Crumbles As Soon As It Starts

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 5 2022 21:58 utc | 171

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 21:47 utc | 186

What do you think Washington’s attention span is for projects that aren’t going well for them? More or less than 1/2 of an election cycle.
The next shiny thing will come along and Ukraine, like so many other unfinished projects, will be left on its own.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 5 2022 21:58 utc | 172

So there are two newbies here, Rick Rubles and Curious Rubles.
Waiting for Rick Babbles and Soap Bubbles.

Posted by: Leuk | Mar 5 2022 22:01 utc | 173

Biden is asking Congress for $10 billion for Ukraine, and says more may likely be asked for later. Congress has to decide by March 11 to get it put in a defense bill pending.
At this stage of the game,where would that $10 billion go? Operationally Russia controls Ukraine and that will only increase in the near term. Looks like a plum opportunity for lots of hands to get their share (10% for the Big Guy?).

Posted by: Woogs | Mar 5 2022 22:02 utc | 174

@ b, please b, no bans, I love the humor..

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 5 2022 22:02 utc | 175

@Oleg – I don’t believe those parts of Ukraine are necessarily anti-Russian, just ordinary Ukrainians, who’ve more or less been going along to get along. It would be interesting to see an actual (reliable) survey.

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 5 2022 22:03 utc | 176

Legally, Ukraine did not own the nuclear weapons. It was the CIS.

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Mar 5 2022 22:05 utc | 177

“then Ukraine must be Balkanized to remove these parts from Ukraine.”
I don’t think this is going to happen. Most of the nazi sympathisers coming from former Galicia will either die fighting Russians or they will flee to Poland or Baltic states (I don’t expect many of them going to Slovakia, Romania or Hungary). Many will migrate to Canada or the US. Once this happens the western border of Ukraine will be sealed off. Russians will station a significant military post next to Lvov, this will serve to “persuade “ Poles and Romanians to dismantle US missile bases. Once this happens the NATO will fail.

Posted by: Milos | Mar 5 2022 22:08 utc | 178

It is wild, to watch commentators I’ve long agreed have their brains fall out when it comes to Russia/Putin. Greg Palast, whom I admire, has consumed the Putin Kool Aid I fear. Of course all the Hollywood liberals will fall in line. Frustrating to say the least.

Posted by: Macmuir | Mar 5 2022 22:08 utc | 179

Ukrainian Nationalists have kidnapped and are torturing Maxim Ryndovskiy, Ukrainian MMA fighter from Kiev, because he trained with Chechen MMA club Ahmat and has called for peace in Donbass: videos. Please repost widely, this may save his life!

Posted by: S | Mar 5 2022 22:10 utc | 180

Ahhhh, Saturday crapping in the bar.
It happens I guess.
I hope b finds some time to clean up.
Maybe he could use a moderator helper?

Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 5 2022 22:11 utc | 181

too scents @67–
Roscosmos put forth the idea of uncoupling ISS’s Russian modules to save them and let the rest die.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 5 2022 22:13 utc | 182

What Russia is afraid of is the remilitarization of Germany. We get discomfort, they awaken to a nightmare.

Posted by: cobo | Mar 5 2022 22:14 utc | 183

Cover call for Mr. Rubles. Cover call for Mr. Rubles
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USD

Posted by: pogohere | Mar 5 2022 22:18 utc | 184

@ HB | Mar 5 2022 19:37 utc | 77
“Contrary to popular belief, a nuclear war is absolutely possible and would not mean the extinction of the human race. Case in point: people in Hiroshima live normally.”
After studying the effects of nuclear war carefully, I would have to say, to the contrary, the human race actually could become extinct as a result. Of course, a limited nuclear exchange like that presented in say Trinity’s Child or the film based on it, By Dawn’s Early Light, were to occur, the human race, however damaged, would be unlikely to become extinct. But a full nuclear exchange involving all the ready warheads of the two main nuclear powers, or even just those of one of them, could result in such an extinction, and even if it did not, the resulting world would be much less pleasant than that imagined in survivalist nuclear postapocalyptic fiction. It is true that not everyone would die of radiation and that the southern hemisphere in particular might retain some population. But mass death from famine would still occur, because of the breakdown of trade and distribution networks, possible EMP effects destroying all electric devices, and also possible climatic consequences, such as nuclear winter, which would probably occur to some extent, even though its depth and duration are disputed. Some wealthy persons and governments have undoubtedly made careful preparations to live underground for a long time, but much could go wrong with their preparations and even if they didn’t all die from a failure or a mistake, their lives would certainly greatly degrade over time, so that virtually nothing of their former world would be left.
As for survival in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, those bombs were only 16 and 21 kilotons respectively. Today, most retaliatory warheads are 1 to 5 megatons, that is, 1,000 to 5,000 kilotons, that is on the order of 50 to 250 times each, so the destruction would be truly horrific, and very little of significance from the previous civilization would survive. The mass death would be close to total in the northern hemisphere at least. This has been portrayed in several graphic films, including The Day After, Threads, and Aftermath (the latter of 2014). Nor can the death of all plant life, as portrayed in The Road, be ruled out altogether either, at least in the worst case nuclear winter scenario.
Failure to pay attention to the possibility of total destruction is pollyannish and stupid, even if it is understandable why one would not want to have such morbid and macabre fare shoved in one’s face. That it hasn’t happened over the 77 years since 1945 is no proof that it could not, and in particular there is no reason to suppose that a country’s rulers would not unleash it if they were cornered and thought they were going to be destroyed. On the principle of what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, this applies to both Russia and the US. Neither can be gotten rid of by the other, let alone by other, outside forces, without annihilation happening, whether 99% or 100%.

Posted by: Cabe | Mar 5 2022 22:18 utc | 185

An intellectual (as opposed to an “intellectual”) is capable and willing to listen to and argue for either side of a point of contention. It is not good to have too many intelectuals when pragmatic decisions are needing to be made in short order, but they are necessary which trying to get at matters of truth and root cause etc. Most of dont willingly suffer intellectuals – man on the street opinions are more fun and satisfying, if wrong and pointless and unfair and self defeating.
I think that to be a “NAZI”, one would have to declare themselves a “NAZI” – member of a self proclaimed “NAZI” affiliation. One might be deemed the equivalent of a “NAZI”, but maybe it is better to use and accurate and generic description of the thing rather than using an existing term for affect. I hear the term “Banderite” used though I have not yet had a moment to educate myself on what that means.
Fascism seems to be widely accepted – perhaps this is desired. It is useful for rallying the people to a cause. I am surprised how easily it is propagated even with groups who I would hope would be relatively immune to such manipulation. Seems internet is a great tool for spreading information which would include propaganda and so can be used to promote fascism.
It seems to me that the US and Russia are already in a state of war, given the nature of the actions taken against Russia. Russia is choosing not to acknowledge that fact sor far. Russia can not really respond in kind, I suspect they will have to take it to the next level.
Scott Ritter is a slobering rusophile was my impression but does not mean he is wrong (in my view). He raises interesting point that the nature and degree of proganda is creating public support for war which may then become difficult to resist.
He also thinks that Russia will proceed to attack and control western Ukraine but I think the other guy in the interview made a strong arguement that Russia could not do that because they have no support in the western Ukraine. But maybe they have no choice because they cannot leave a base of operation for US moderate rebels – keep an eye on the objective.

Posted by: jared | Mar 5 2022 22:19 utc | 186

@William Fusfield #129
The “western” part of Ukraine was pro-EU prior to Maidan – it does not automatically follow that it was all anti-Russian.
The reality of the last pre-Maidan election and Yanukovich was that he was originally in favor of working with Russia because of perceived benefits, was swaying with the EU because of greater perceived benefits, then swayed back to Russia when Putin made an ever better offer.
The existence of the far-right neo-Nazis and their paramilitary groups – which are presently part (but absolutely not all) of the Ukrainian army makes it seem like the truly anti-Russia parts of Ukraine are significant.
My view is that this is far from true. The far right political groups get less than 5% of the overall Ukrainian vote. Does that sound like a majority?
I believe most Ukrainians aren’t ideologically fixed – they just want a better life no matter who promises it.
The difference between now and Maidan, however, is that the pro-EU/laissez faire capitalism platform has been discredited just as much as the pro-Russian/work with Russia economic platform because it has now been many years since the Maidan – and Ukraine has not broken out of its generation long economic slump.
An election not overtly skewed by the far-right and their brownshirts, it would be interesting to see what Ukrainians really think though.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:21 utc | 187

@Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 5 2022 20:07 utc | 103
As to RT connectivity troubles: I got them resolved (Germany) by changing my primary name server to 77.88.8.8 , which is the Yandex nameserver. Since then, RT works fine again, only troubles with the TV stream (ManifestLoadTimeout). I get the latter over Tor though, but only when DDOSguard does not screw me (refusing captcha).

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 5 2022 22:21 utc | 188

According to Biden, the saying should be:
Slava Irani!

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:22 utc | 189

Posted by: Milos | Mar 5 2022 22:08 utc | 207
Yes, I have been brainstorming what will Russia do next after Ukraine, and I believe it will be:
– all bordering states must reduce or eliminate any potentially offensive weapons towards Russia, end exit NATO if it still exists in any future. So basically be a good neighbor or be enemy, your choice.
– all US nukes must leave Europe (or any third party nukes based in foreign countries, eg. UK decides to place something in Poland, of course).
– destruction/dismantling of NATO.
– stabilizing of middle east, meaning US must be eliminated from Syria & Iraq
etc.
Lot of possible things.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 5 2022 22:27 utc | 190

@vetinLA #210
Oh, so you have a copy of Putin’s plans?
Perhaps you can publish them so we can all understand how the plans are being broken.
Clearly the US intel agencies, Department of State, Congress and Biden don’t have any idea.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:29 utc | 191

@Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:21 utc | 220
“The difference between now and Maidan, however, is that the pro-EU/laissez faire capitalism platform has been discredited just as much as the pro-Russian/work with Russia economic platform because it has now been many years since the Maidan – and Ukraine has not broken out of its generation long economic slump. An election not overtly skewed by the far-right and their brownshirts, it would be interesting to see what Ukrainians really think though.”
An excellent point, the Ukrainians have had 8 years of the “free world” and what it has done to their living standards and politics. Best option for the western part of Ukraine would be to do a Xinjiang, remove the trouble makers and improve the lives of the rest while de-nazifying the school curriculum etc. Same that the Marshall Plan and US occupation did for Germany.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 5 2022 22:32 utc | 192

Posted by: B | Mar 5 2022 22:18
Thanks b. Look forward to the renumbering.
Some recent surprises in the comments too.

Posted by: spudski | Mar 5 2022 22:33 utc | 193

Posted by: B | Mar 5 2022 22:18
Thanks b. Look forward to the renumbering.
Some recent surprises in the comments too.

Posted by: spudski | Mar 5 2022 22:33 utc | 194

@jared #218
If you think Scott Ritter is a “rusophile” [Russophile], clearly you have never actually listened to him at any length.
His wife is a Georgian displaced from South Ossetia.
He refers to Putin all the time as an autocrat, and references all manner of practices which he thinks Russia/Russians do which are unlawful. For example, he says flat out that the de-nazification, in his view, means a bullet to the back of the head and an unmarked grave somewhere for the vast majority of the far right military and political types caught.
Just because he believes Russia is going to crush the Ukraine, doesn’t mean it isn’t an objective military assessment of the situation.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 5 2022 22:33 utc | 195

from trolling to terrorism – the desperation is palpable…

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 5 2022 22:34 utc | 196

I will come back as soon as b clears up the puke.
Will you all stop feeding it. Are y’all novices?

Posted by: ld | Mar 5 2022 22:35 utc | 197

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/04/sending-obsolete-missiles-to-ukraine-germany-finds-hundreds-too-old-to-fire/
Germany donating junk missiles. Not much different from old Soviet nearly junk aircraft. I’m reminded of Trump’s famous observation: “everything is fake”.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 5 2022 22:37 utc | 198

Thanks to b for providing a very educational article for those ignorant of the situation’s overall context.
Clearly, many barflies missed this very important article I linked two days ago, “CIA: Undermining and Nazifying Ukraine Since 1953”, and we know the OSS/CIA was deeply in cahoots with Nazis during and after WW2 protecting them from arrest for war crimes, spiriting them out of Europe to the Western Hemisphere, and organizing them as the first units of the Outlaw US Empire’s Terrorist Foreign Legion that were sent into Eastern Europe to conduct terrorist attacks aimed at destabilizing the situation as much as possible. Of course, Russians like Putin know all that historical context while most Westerners don’t, which creates a vast divide that enables the exploitation of the ignorant, like our new troll.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 5 2022 22:38 utc | 199

omg – confirmed
he probably wanted peace or to capitulate too early in the game. the nationalists and neo-nazis are perhaps very well in control of the security services, which I assume answers to their CIA and MI6 masters
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500217147339034628
“Member of the Ukrainian negotiation team was assassinated by the Ukrainian security service with 2 shots to the chest.
Ukrainian sources claimed “high treason”….

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 5 2022 22:39 utc | 200