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March 28, 2022

Ukraine - Smoke And Mirrors Around Poisonous Peace Talks

The disinformation department of the British MI6 secret service and its 'non-government-organization' Bellingcrap are offering another of their laughable 'chemical weapon' and 'poisoning' fairy tales:

Roman Abramovich and two Ukraine peace negotiators 'suffered a suspected POISONING that caused the skin to peel off their faces after attending talks this month' ...

The Chelsea FC owner was reportedly poisoned just weeks ago after a meeting in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv whilst he acted as a 'peacemaker' in the Russian war in Ukraine, reports the Wall Street Journal.

Following the meeting in Kyiv, Abramovich as well as two senior members of the Ukrainian team developed symptoms that included red eyes, painful streaming eyes as well as peeling skin on their faces and hands, sources told the newspaper.

Abramovich, who accepted a Ukrainian request to help negotiate an end to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, also 'lost his sight for several hours' and was treated at a hospital in Turkey, a source told The Guardian.

Analysts at Bellingcat confirmed that three members of the delegation - including Abramovich - attending the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia on 3 March experienced 'symptoms consistent with poisoning with chemical weapons'.
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Abramovich, another Russian entrepreneur and Ukrainian MP Rustem Umerov had been taking part in the negotiations, with the talks lasting until about 10 pm, investigative news site Bellingcat said.
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The three members of the delegation left the talks on 3 March to an apartment in Kyiv later that night.

Whilst there, they were all suffering from eye and skin inflammation and piercing pain in their eyes until the next morning. The three men had consumed only chocolate and water in the hours before the symptoms appeared.

A fourth member of the team who also consumed the same food and water did not experience symptoms.
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The symptoms experienced by Abramovich and the two other negotiators subsided by the end of the following week.

The peace talks on Thursday, March 3, between Ukraine and Russia took place in Brest region of Belarus:

The tentative agreement [for humanitarian corridors], reached in Belarus, came as Russian forces continued to surround and attack Ukrainian cities, including the capital, Kyiv, and the second-biggest city of Kharkiv.

Pictures taken by Denys Kirieiev for AFP show four of the Ukrainian negotiators. The picture below is from the same series as the picture used by AlJazeerah which is marked as:

Negotiators shake hands prior to the talks between delegations from Ukraine and Russia in Belarus's Brest region on March 3, 2022 [Maxim Guchek/AFP]

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Those four on the Ukrainian side seem to have been the only Ukrainian negotiators who were there.


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Rustem Umerov, pictured below, seems to be the third from the left in the upper picture:


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But Roman Abramovich, pictured below, is not in the March 3 peace talks picture:


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It therefore seem wrong what Bellingcat claims in the above piece. Abramovich did not attend the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia on March 3.

It may well be though that after the peace talks in Belarus were held some of the Ukrainian delegation, including Rustem Umerov, had a meeting with Abramovich in Kiev.

Later it is said three of them went from there to an apartment in Kiev where they suffered some symptoms.

Bellingcrap is of course asserting, with zero evidence, that Russia was involved in that:

Sources told WSJ they blamed the suspected poisoning attack on hard-liners in Moscow who wanted to ruin talks to end the war. The victims meanwhile said they were not aware of who would have an interest in the attack.

Bellingcat investigator Christo Grozev, who was part of the team that concluded the Kremlin had poisoned Russian politician Alexei Navalny with a nerve agent in 2020, said he had seen the effects of the poisoning on Abramovich and the other negotiators.

'It was not intended to kill, it was just a warning,' Grozev said.

Who was the fourth member of the meeting who did not suffer symptoms? Would he not be the most suspect for poisoning of the others participants? Was he connected to Moscow hardliners?

Was it the peace negotiator who shortly thereafter suffered something much worse than curious poisoning symptoms. Something which is left out of the current reporting.

On Saturday March 5 the Kiev Independent reported:

According to Ukrainska Pravda sources, a member of the Ukrainian negotiating delegation that met with Russia, was shot dead by the Security Service of Ukraine officers as they were trying to detain him. The man was allegedly Denys Kirieiev, a former deputy chairman of Oschadbank. The SBU had “strong evidence” he was leaking information to Russia.

Below is a picture of Denys Kireev. He is not in the picture of the Ukrainian delegation in the March 3 talks shown above.

Denys Kireev is however shown at the end of the table in a picture of the Ukrainian delegation for peace talks on February 28. Some other participants of the March 3 talks also took part in that meeting.


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A day after it was reported that Denys Kireev, the 'traitor', had been killed by the SBU, he was named a hero:

Clashing reports emerged Saturday surrounding the death of a Ukrainian identified by media as a member of the country’s negotiating team with Russia.

First, widespread reports in local media and social media throughout the day claimed Denis Kireev, who had been photographed taking part in negotiations in Belarus in recent days, had been killed by Ukrainian security forces during an attempt to arrest him.

Kireev, the reports asserted, had been suspected of treason.

A subsequent Facebook post by Ukraine’s defense ministry confirmed Kireev’s death, but asserted that he was an intelligence operative for Ukraine who died in the line of duty.

“During the performance of special tasks, three scouts were killed — employees of the Chief Intelligence Department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine,” the statement said, naming Kireev among those killed.

“They died, defending Ukraine, and their act brought us closer to victory,” it said. “Heroes don’t die! They live so long as we remember them!”
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The discrepancies between the two conflicting accounts of his death could not be immediately accounted for.

There are indeed a lot of discrepancies within and in between all those reports that can not be accounted for.

That is likely because various Ukrainians, as well as their 'western' supporters, are lying about everything they can lie about. They do that because they usually get away with it. This time however the Ukrainian government was not yet coordinated well enough to keep those lies up:

Tim Franks @BBCTimFranks - 19:31 UTC · Mar 28, 2022

... Ihor Zhovkva - Deputy Head of President's Office - speaking to Newshour, @bbcworldservice.

He said he hadn't spoken to Abramovich or his people, but "the members of the Ukrainian delegation are fine; I was in contact with one of them, and they said the story was false."

Posted by b on March 28, 2022 at 19:46 UTC | Permalink

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another m 16 psyc op from the branch office of belling crap, and i emphasize the last part - crap...

when they have nothing of substance to offer, they can only offer crap like this... i liked what someone said on the previous thread - more people not dying from novichok! who whudda thunk it? lol..

Posted by: james | Mar 28 2022 19:54 utc | 1

"On Saturday March 5 the Kiev Independent reported:"

Wow, I am now convinced that b has an irrational hatred for Ukrainians and Ukrainian culture.

The link you provided was to the Kyiv Independent, not Kiev Independent.

I am happy to be proven wrong and for b to refer to Beijing as Peking in his upcoming pieces, in which case it would be show that Ukrainians do not form a special object of contempt for b, but that his animosities also extend to the Chinese!

Posted by: Ghost of Kyiv | Mar 28 2022 19:55 utc | 2

Even the US is calling bullshit on this!

A US official has cast doubt on claims that sanctioned Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich and Ukrainian peace negotiators were victims of a poisoning earlier this month

https://news.sky.com/story/roman-abramovich-and-ukrainian-peace-negotiators-were-reportedly-victims-of-poisoning-but-us-casts-doubt-12576989

Posted by: Iain | Mar 28 2022 19:56 utc | 3

can someone try to break the bold text and not respond to the bozo @ 2? thanks..

Posted by: james | Mar 28 2022 20:02 utc | 4

@b:

Rustem Umerov, pictured below, seems to be the third from the left in the upper picture

The third from the left (the one wearing a green baseball cap) is David Arakhamiya.

Posted by: S | Mar 28 2022 20:07 utc | 5

@2
It is impossible to use "culture" and "Ukrainian" in the same sentence.

Posted by: SCan | Mar 28 2022 20:07 utc | 6

@Ghost of Kyiv You really are pathetic. Try much harder!

Posted by: hes | Mar 28 2022 20:10 utc | 7

Is that all they got? Bellingcat does not look any more formidable than Ghost of Kiev.

I want a better script for my tax dollar. Pathetic.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 28 2022 20:17 utc | 8

Unlikely. He is staying put. Roman Abramovich is too busy with the sale of Chelsea Football...20 bidders.

Mar 14, 2022 ... Roman Abramovich has put Chelsea Football Club up for sale and the Swiss ... The Raine Group,

(March 23):
Potential buyers for Chelsea Football Club remain in limbo days after making their bids, as the New York-based bank handling the sale sifts through multiple offers for one of the biggest names in sports.The Raine Group set a deadline of last Friday for bids to be submitted and has spent the days since deciding on which would make the final cut. One group led by Centricus Asset Management offered more than £3 billion (US$3.9 billion) for Roman Abramovich’s club,

https://headtopics.com/my/chelsea-football-club-bidders-wait-on-sale-process-with-new-offer-reported-25007650


Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 28 2022 20:20 utc | 9

Maybe reported in a previous thread (but it's from today): Chris Hedges erased from YouTube.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/28/chris-hedges-on-being-disappeared/

A well written article, per the usual expectations.

What were my sins? I did not, like my former employer, The New York Times, sell you the lie of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, peddle conspiracy theories about Donald Trump being a Russian asset, put out a 10-part podcast called the “Caliphate” that was a hoax, or tell you that the information on Hunter Biden’s laptop was “disinformation.” I did not prophesize that Joe Biden was the next FDR or that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election.

This censorship is about supporting what, as I.F Stone reminded us, governments always do – lie. Challenge the official lie, as I often did, and you will soon become a nonperson on digital media.

Julian Assange and Edward Snowden exposed the truth about the criminal inner workings of power. Look where they are now.

The information war in the West is insane; and I thought I'd seen it all with Russiagate, COVID, the Iraq War and January 6th.

Posted by: Tom-Q_Collins | Mar 28 2022 20:23 utc | 10

May I recommend to my fellow barflies the very enlightening video by Gonzalo Lira about Victoria Nuland. It explains a lot about this war.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Mar 28 2022 20:26 utc | 11

So what's up with all those Ukranian victories in the Kiev region ? as reported by western main stream media ?

The mayor or Irpen , a small town to the west of Kiev just tweets that Irpen has been liberated from the Russian army and the western media just reports that as a fact. Well they do add that this had not been confirmed by independent Journalists .

Same thing how they reported yesterday that the Russians had lost control of the city of Kherson, not confirmed by anyone.

Are the Ukrainians now just making up victories or what is going on here ?

Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 28 2022 20:37 utc | 12

@2

The guy behind this site is German, and in German it is Kiew and Peking.

Posted by: Nico | Mar 28 2022 20:41 utc | 13

Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 28 2022 20:37 utc | 12

Are the Ukrainians now just making up victories or what is going on here ?

Almost certainly.

As a Texan, this quite reminds me of all the "national championships" that Texas A&M university has on the big wall outside of their football stadium.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2022 20:42 utc | 14

"New details about tomorrow's talks between Ukraine and Russia in Istanbul
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba on air UA: Together:

Kuleba advised the members of the Ukrainian delegation "not to drink anything, not to eat and not to touch surfaces."

Clearly just wearing masks is not going to be enough, Hazmat suits all round?

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 28 2022 20:43 utc | 15

It's amazing how flagrantly the West mocks the intelligence of its citizens and gets away with it.

Posted by: Steve | Mar 28 2022 20:46 utc | 16

Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 28 2022 20:37 utc | 12

It's all made up. About Herson, the ukies tried to attack but the Russians successfully repelled the attack with artillery and mobile rockets (grad??). Losses were confirmed by the Ukranian side; appeals for blood after many injured came back to Nikolaev.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 28 2022 20:46 utc | 17

Patrick Lancaster in my opinion should win the major journalism award for reporting from Ukraine. It is hard to see how what he is doing is fake news, though not impossible, I suppose. The technique of interviewing people and letting them talk is effective, though we of course cannot know how many other interviews he never uses because they compete with his agenda - he has one, I think, which is favorable to the Russians in eastern Ukraine. But at least what we are seeing is real, actual, and timely, and totally unlike these hysterical reports of poisonings or Russians executing POWs.......this whole thing has been a complete lesson in how propaganda works. At some point here it will become clear which of the narratives is true - is Russia losing? Is Russia winning?

Meanwhile, beneath all the froth on the news, lies the simple fact that a) Germany and Europe are using over 130 billion cubic feet of gas from Russia and b) the US might - just maybe might - be able to cobble together 15 billion cubic feet in a couple years; and therefore, not long from now, there will be a total disconnect between Europe and the US. My sense here is that Russia is shooting to have eastern Ukraine done and neutrality agreed with Zelenskey and Russians withdrawn soon enough to ask the sanctions be lifted, while the US and West and NATO are shooting to have Russia defeated and cancelled such that Russia will turn on the gas for Europe soon enough because the West can tell Russia to do so.....which seems more reasonable to you?

Posted by: Boomheist | Mar 28 2022 20:48 utc | 18

Bidmentia says he is not walking back his comments [that Putin is a "War Criminal" "a butcher and should not remain in power"]

leaders worldwide were aghast. And in response,

Bidmentia let it be known he was expressing 'Moral Outrage' Not US Policy. Does he understand he is president or does he have to be reminded on the hour?

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Are we there yet? No.

Ukrainian Mi-8 Heading to Mariupol to Evacuate Azov Battalion Leaders Shot Down:
Russia MOD:

https://sputniknews.com/20220328/russian-mod-ukrainian-mi-8-heading-to-mariupol-to-evacuate-azov-battalion-leaders-shot-down-1094267866.html

Earlier, Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) authorities reported advancing into the city, currently controlled by Kiev's forces, after seizing control of its suburbs, including the airport.
Russian air defences have shot down a Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter as it was flying to pick up leaders of the Azov nationalist battalion from Mariupol, the Russian Defence Ministry has stated. The aircraft was hit as it was flying over the Sea of Azov, five kilometres from shore.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 28 2022 20:48 utc | 19

Posted by: Boo | Mar 28 2022 20:46 utc | 17

Ugh, translating on the go from the major and general telegram hannel. Appeals for blood donations in the hospitals in the city of Nikolaev which is still under ukie rule.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 28 2022 20:49 utc | 20

Not content with shooting helpless POWs in the knees, the ukies are disappearing priests:

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/37474

Posted by: Boo | Mar 28 2022 20:52 utc | 21

Problems with Skin Blemishes?

Interesting to see UK government concern over a temporary cosmetic skin condition suffered by a non-participant to the negotiations.

Unfortunate they display zero lack of concern for the numbers of military personnel who have died in the past 30 days, or been shot in the thigh at close range. Not a whimper of anguish over the hundreds of women and children killed including those stripped nacked with Nazi insignia incised on their abdomen, or those evacuating UA who were pulled from their cars and shot, and the hundreds, or perhaps hundreds of thousands, of others who escaped UA or who still seek to flee the hell hole over which the cocaine comedian claims to preside.

It is a peculiar aspect of the UK educational system that the people trained by it fail to understand or perceive any connection between arming a failed state with NLAW and other advanced weaponry, or in delivering advanced military training to avowed fascist organizations, or who have mapped out supply ratlines through the Romanian woods to ensure the continuation of a bloody conflict, and the deaths and horror that ensues from such conduct.

The US and the Canadians exhibit the same degree of ignorance.

Let us pray that all those peoples who have provoked, financed, facilitated, supplied, and endlessly lied about this war, come to understand of what Putin spoke when he raised the concept of "interdependent security."

And if the MI6 or Bellingcat minder is reading this, please recognize that once the truth of your despicable conduct is known to both the world, and your own people, that you may find yourself in court as an accessory to war crimes. Unless of course the rule of law breaks down and you find yourself hanging from a lamp post, or look down to find your head is hoist on a halberd, an outcome well known to be bad for your skin.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 28 2022 20:54 utc | 22

Boomheist | Mar 28 2022 20:48 utc | 18 "My sense here is that Russia is shooting to have eastern Ukraine done and neutrality agreed with Zelenskey and Russians withdrawn soon enough to ask the sanctions be lifted,"

Study Russia little more ad learn about their feelings for nazi's. By the time Russia leaves Ukraine Zelensky will quite likely to have ceased to exist along with the entire nazi government apparatus. The only deal Russia will agree to with the current Ukraine nazi's is unconditional surrender

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 20:55 utc | 23

Mercouris is pointing out the absolute focus of Biden on overthrowing the Russian government. Could it not be that the Ukraine contains so many secrets that could destroy Biden personally, and the neocons and Dems in general is what is driving the extremes of the US actions? Europe has attached itself to these criminals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qClrlzg-ZY8

Posted by: Roger | Mar 28 2022 20:57 utc | 24

the only thing biden is going to overthrow is the remaining brain cells he has left, and he is going to get some help from mother nature too...

Posted by: james | Mar 28 2022 21:01 utc | 25

Roger | Mar 28 2022 20:57 utc | 24

Not only documents and so forth. I think there will be people if/when captured will sing like birds. And more than just Biden will be named.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 21:04 utc | 26

US$ now down to 95 ruble from a high of 158. At this rate the ruble will be getting back to the sub-80 area where it was before war broke out. So much for the financial destruction of Russia. The Russians should be thankful to the West for helping them pull the plug on selling their resources in US$ and displaying to the world the truth of the Empire of Lies and Thievery.

No wonder the West is desperately thrashing around for some pathetic made up story of "chemical weapons".

Posted by: Roger | Mar 28 2022 21:07 utc | 27

Kremlin Threatens To Halt Supplies As G7 Ministers Reject "Unacceptable" Demand To Pay For Gas In Rubles


AND finally, Paul Craig Roberts endorses Russia’s policy: “the West has no right to complain”
https://sputniknews.com/20220328/petro-ruble-why-western-states-will-end-up-buying-russian-gas-for-rubles-1094263776.html

Russia will not supply gas for free if the EU refuses to pay in rubles, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov on 28 March in response to resistance demonstrated by Western countries obliged by Moscow to use rubles in the energy trade with Russia.

"The sanctioning countries that have breached all their contracts with Russia have no right to complain that Russia breaches one in return", says Dr Paul Craig Roberts, US economist and ex-assistant secretary of the treasury under Ronald Reagan.

"If the countries refuse to pay, Putin should immediately turn off the energy. Indeed, he should have done so before launching his military operation in Donbass. It is nonsensical for Russia to keep alive the economies of countries that are sending weapons to Ukrainian Nazis to kill Russians".

Russian President Vladimir Putin on 23 March ordered the Russian Central Bank and the government to work out the means for ruble payments for Russian natural gas exports by nations designated as "unfriendly" by Moscow. The list of foreign states that committed "unfriendly actions", including sanctions and seizure of assets, against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities, and individuals was made by the government earlier this month.

The Russian president explained that after Western countries had "frozen" Russian dollar and euro assets, it became clear that "supplying our goods to the European Union and the United States and receiving payment in dollars, euros, and a number of other currencies does not make any sense to us".
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Dr Roberts hailed the Kremlin's decision to switch to ruble payments, asking in his blog: "Is Russia going for the petro-ruble?" According to the economist, Moscow could apparently be pursuing two goals: first, forcing Russia's energy customers to bypass the sanctions; second, ruble payments support the value of the ruble and frustrate the sanctioning countries' hope of causing its value to collapse.
However, "payment in rubles should be the policy regardless of sanctions", according to Dr Roberts.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 28 2022 21:08 utc | 28

in the cosmetics industry, skin 'peeling off the face' is called exfoliation and can be considered a desirable effect of said products.

Posted by: mastameta | Mar 28 2022 21:08 utc | 29

Award for Patrick Lancaster

Posted by: Boomheist | Mar 28 2022 20:48 utc | 18

Agreed he should receive an award. He appears to be the sole western journalist doing on the ground reporting.

On a prior thread there was some discussion on how to help malformed citizens or significant others come to realize the colossal hoax being played upon them by their own governments.

I suggest the latest Armstrong reporting from Mariupol:

Refugees Expose Mariupol War Crimes Of The Russia - Ukraine War
187,239 views
Mar 27, 2022
LINK
https://youtu.be/X1b-RKDHZOo

Those doubtful about the "facts on the ground" can hear the ground truth from those most affected. This should provide a starting point for an introduction to other reporting.

WRT to Armstrong no existing press system will be willing to honour him as his work exposes the rest of the MSM as the dilettantes they are and the mendacities they spew.

What is needed is a "Citizens Award for Truth in Journalism" with all the voting to come from us. Not sure how to bring this to fruition but a major difficulty we all face is the lack of integrity in our institutions. Such an award would help undermine the control of the institutions by giving recognition to those whose reportage is truly factual.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 28 2022 21:10 utc | 30

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 21:04 utc | 26

Yes, I absolutely agree! The West may be able to keep much of it from their citizens, even if they have to ban everyone from social media except for MSM minions, but in the rest of the world this could provide a devastating moment of clarity about the reality of the West. The Russians need to make sure they play this well in the non-West media and all over the UN (its corrupted but will still give Russia a stage).

Posted by: Roger | Mar 28 2022 21:11 utc | 31

"Russian air defences have shot down a Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter as it was flying to pick up leaders of the Azov nationalist battalion from Mariupol"

Weird, doesn't make sense. Russia controls the entire Azov coast all the way around, boats in the Sea of Azov are controlled at a the Kerch strait, and it's too shallow for subs. Where could a Ukrainian helo even think to fly from, or fly to?

Posted by: ptb | Mar 28 2022 21:11 utc | 32

Boomheist | Mar 28 2022 20:48 utc | 18

As Karof1's comments and Lavrov's statements have made clear, the sanctions have been progressively increased over several years.

When did you hear of a sanction being LIFTED by the US? Anywhere, on anyone? (Except on a temporary basis as per the JCPOA)

"Sanctions being lifted" is just NOT somethging the US or the EU are known for doing, so the main result the Russians seem to be aiming for is that the "EU has to lift it's own sanctions, as they cause it more pain than for Russia". Really walk back sanctions not just a "false-promise" as usual.

The volte-face has also to do with ruining the self-image that Europeans have of themselves and their local commissaires. Rub their noses in it as you do for a shitty dog.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 28 2022 21:12 utc | 33

"Following the meeting in Kyiv, Abramovich as well as two senior members of the Ukrainian team developed symptoms that included red eyes, painful streaming eyes as well as peeling skin on their faces and hands, sources told the newspaper."

This is called "photosensitization" and could happen to very average people when they leave their coffin and expose themselves to sunlight which is harzardous as everyone should know: my advice: keep in darkness ...

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 28 2022 21:13 utc | 34

@ Tom-Q_Collins | Mar 28 2022 20:23 utc | 10

I read Chris Hedges' piece and I agree that YouTube dealt him an unfair hand. But I'm surprised that he was not expecting it. The West never fights fair, everyone outside the West knows that. The mask of decency and tolerance which the West often wears doesn't fool anyone in other parts of the world. It's a pity that people like Julian Assange has to learn that the hard way. The moment you pose any credible threat to the Western elites' power you would see the true face of the people who have been ruling you.

Posted by: Steve | Mar 28 2022 21:25 utc | 35

Roger @ 27

Today Russia announced the ruble is backed by gold and convertible at 5000 rubles for one gram of gold. At that price it should be about 80 rubles to the dollar. Expect lots of market gyrations and backflips to keep from admitting reality. Ruble is now stronger than Swiss francs.

At a stroke the dollar is devalued. Cannot fit in Western minds.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 28 2022 21:31 utc | 36

Completamente d'accordo con il dottor Paul Craig Roberts
Se i paesi si rifiutano di pagare, Putin dovrebbe spegnere immediatamente l'energia. Anzi, avrebbe dovuto farlo prima di lanciare la sua operazione militare nel Donbass. Non ha senso per la Russia mantenere in vita le economie dei paesi che stanno inviando armi ai nazisti ucraini uccidere i russi".

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Mar 28 2022 21:32 utc | 37

Posted by: Steve | Mar 28 2022 21:25 utc | 35

I think his surprise was due to the actual content of his channel. As he states in the piece I linked at Consortium News, he literally never discussed Russia or made any opinions known on the current matter in the history of his show. I suppose he would've been less surprised had he actually broached such topics. Either way, I'm with you on your reasoning. Look what MSDNC did to Phil Donahue, after all, for criticizing the illegal invasion of Iraq.

One wonders if YouTube will backtrack and attempt to save face by saying it was a mistake or an algorithm gone wrong...won't be an easy sell, though, since his entire 'catalog' was deleted and not just one or two episodes. I wonder how long before they shut down RT's channel (if they haven't already). The stupid disclaimer that RT is funded by the Russian government may not be enough to satisfy the official censors should this war cause some secrets to be leaked which might make certain USUK elites uncomfortable...

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2022 21:35 utc | 38

Red, runny eyes, peeling skin on face and hands.

Aren't those symptoms of syphilis?

Posted by: ChasMark | Mar 28 2022 21:36 utc | 39

You name Denys Kirieiev as the one taking the picture on March 3, so it is quite feasible that he also attended the talks. Or am I missing something here?
If Poroshenko supplied the chocolate it's not surprising their faces fell off.

Posted by: pasha | Mar 28 2022 21:39 utc | 40

Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter Shootdown

Posted by: ptb | Mar 28 2022 21:11 utc | 32

The Mi-8 comes in a variety of configurations. Wikipedia gives the operational range as follows:
Range: 495 km (308 mi, 267 nmi)
Ferry range: 960 km (600 mi, 520 nmi)

Ferry range would be completely stripped down - no armaments, no seats etc.

As the crow flies the relevant distances are:
125 miles to Bilen'ke Pershe 16 miles south of Zaporizhzhia
297 miles to Odessa

My hunch is that they flew south to Bilen'ke Pershe, threw out the seats, loaded up with canned fuel and then flew overland behind the RF lines till they went feet wet west of Berdyans'k. From that point they would likely have continued offshore to a safe distance then turned east toward a point offshore of Mariupol and then made a final leg due north into the city it self.

Given the RF available forces I think it likely that captured areas are very lightly held with no S-300 or other air defences present. The route looks very possible. Once in Mariupol they gas from the canned fuel and either follow the same flight path home or try to reach Odessa.

Hopefully the shootdown took place on the inbound flight. This implies the high value person the flight attempted to evacuate is still present in the city and subject to capture.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 28 2022 21:42 utc | 41

Few things I noticed.

Lavrov isn't referring to US as their "partners" (this doesn't have any positive aconotation in Russian language, it just means people you do some form of business with) but as their "colleagues", meaning there is no more diplomacy done.

Peskov (I think) just called US to follow steps of the Third Reich. This may sound insignificant to westerners, but Russians take that topic deadly serious. It means, there will be war tribunals, there will be war criminal charges (in absentia), there will be names and pictures for whole world to see.

Westerners were not keen on Nuremberg trial after WW2 (most of them provided sanctuary to the same SS nazi scum). It was Soviets that pushed for it, as they suffered the most. New trial is coming, and this time whole west will pay for its crimes.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 28 2022 21:43 utc | 42

Greg Galloway @ 34:

As I am sure you know already but forgot to mention, exposure to garlic or to water blessed by a priest has similar effects.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 28 2022 21:43 utc | 43

Judo slam to the floor of Western financial elites by VVP

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/it-s-official-russia-central-bank-announced-ruble-bond-to-gold-5000-rubles-per-gram

Posted by: PJB | Mar 28 2022 21:45 utc | 44

Gold backed ruble - 5000 rubles per ounce at current? exchange rate works out a little over US$1600 per troy ounce. Gold price currently US$1922 per ounce. I guess the current dollar ruble exchange rate just changed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 21:49 utc | 45

Wonder if he had enough skin in the game to get back his UK assets.

Posted by: Sternberg | Mar 28 2022 21:50 utc | 46

to Tom-Q_Collins | Mar 28 2022 20:23 utc | 10

thanks for letting me know about that article by Chris Hedges re the forced disappearance from YouTube of his entire 6 years of his show 'On Contact'
(when they can't make you physically disappear, they disappear a good part of your life's work)
Hedges is invaluable, and this is a real shock to me.

damn those liberal f*ckers and totalitarian censors in Silicon Valley. these are dark times

again, Hedges is here about all this: https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/28/chris-hedges-on-being-disappeared/

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 28 2022 21:51 utc | 47

Posted by: PJB | Mar 28 2022 21:45 utc | 44

This is not true. No Russian channel has reported it.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 28 2022 21:51 utc | 48

This whole thing reminds me of this:


MasterBlaster: "Gas turned off" "So ... Who run Bartertown?"

Auntie: piqued silence ....

MasterBlaster: "Again - "WHO • RUN • BARTERTOWN??"

Auntie:...... "masterblaster"

MasterBlaster: "LOUDER!"

Auntie:"!!!MASTERBLASTER!!!"

Masterblaster: "GAS ON"


Posted by: polecat | Mar 28 2022 21:58 utc | 49

ukraine accountants have been hard at work they want431 billion from Russia as damages

meanwhile from Kiev uhuh

nuclear safety expert has warned that a monitoring lab in Chernobyl village has been raided, with thieves looting radioactive ingredients which could be mixed with explosives to create a 'dirty bomb' amid chaos brought about by Russia's invasion.
Anatolii Nosovskyi, director of director of the Institute for Safety Problems of Nuclear Power Plants (ISPNPP) in Kyiv, said he has lost contact with the lab so the 'fate of these sources is unknown to us'.

He told Science that if such a bomb were to be made, created with the radioactive isotopes and radioactive waste pieces said to be taken, a wide area risks being contaminated.It
comes as Lyudmila Denisova, commissioner of the Verkhovna Rada for human rights said there are 'more than 10,000 hectares of forests are burning in the exclusion zone in the CAEC area due to combat action', worsened by windy and dry weather.

Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk also accused Russia of 'irresponsible' acts around the occupied power station that could send radiation across much of Europe and called on the UN Security Council to take 'immediate measures'.

Posted by: Jo | Mar 28 2022 22:02 utc | 50

Boo | Mar 28 2022 21:51 utc | 48

This looks to be bank of Russia website

"The Bank of Russia, in order to ensure a balance of supply and demand in the domestic precious metals market, will buy gold from credit institutions at a fixed price starting from March 28, 2022. The price from March 28 to June 30, 2022 inclusive will be 5 thousand rubles per 1 gram, " the press service of the Central Bank informed."
https://www.banki.ru/news/lenta/?id=10963561

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 22:08 utc | 51

Re: Ruble, gold

Is that an policy of fixed convertibility (both buy & sell) or only a bid by central bank to buy gold?

https://www.kitco.com/news/2022-03-28/Russia-sets-fixed-gold-price-as-it-restarts-official-bullion-purchases.html

If only bid at below market price, noone would hit it until ruble appreciates in value... thus would act as a limit to keep the Ruble from rising too far?

Do I have this right? Gas(&oil?) offer limits how far ruble can fall, gold bid limits how far ruble can rise??

Posted by: ptb | Mar 28 2022 22:09 utc | 52

Bellingcat is becoming the specialist of Russian poisons and its dosage : warning, death, resucitation..
Maybe they should tell us if the Skripals who resucitated after been poisoned by the extremely deadly novichok are in the coma or enjoying the beaches of the Maldive islands?

Posted by: Virgile | Mar 28 2022 22:14 utc | 53

in other words, stupidly simple concept for a backstop:

(gold -> rubles)
(rubles -> natgas, oil, etc)

and this could cover the gap for a few months or years, but eventually trade partners could realize meaningful savings by using an ordinary bank in a country that doesn't give them a hard time

Posted by: ptb | Mar 28 2022 22:16 utc | 54

The 4th member of the delegation did it because he did not suffer the symptoms because (s)he? had an antidote.

Posted by: Kaiama | Mar 28 2022 22:16 utc | 55

Oh my gosh ! It’s POLONICHOK, the Hybrid Variant !

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 28 2022 22:19 utc | 56

From the Russian MFA Telegram channel...

🎙 Statement (https://russiaun.ru/en/news/280322_so) of Russia's Permanent Mission to the United Nations in connection with the appeal of the UN Secretariat to ensure a ceasefire in Ukraine

We took note of today’s statement by the UN Secretary-General calling on Russia to ensure a ceasefire in Ukraine for humanitarian operations.

We regret that in the same statement Antonio Guterres did not give any assessment of the actions of those members of the UN Security Council who on March 23 torpedoed the efforts of the Russian delegation to form conditions for the work of humanitarian workers on the ground that are binding for all parties to implement.

Once again, we remind of the content of the Russian draft of truly humanitarian resolution of the UN Security Council on Ukraine 👇

1) a call to establish a ceasefire and have humanitarian pauses to facilitate safe evacuation of civilians, as well as enabling unimpeded exit (free from any discrimination) from the territory of Ukraine to all those willing to leave;
2) a call to not attack critical infrastructure;
3) calls to not place heavy equipment in residential quarters and densely populated areas;
4) protection of humanitarian and medical personnel;
5) proper protection of the sick and wounded;
6) humane treatment of detainees;
7) protection of civilians, especially women and children.

We regret that the efforts of humanitarian workers in this country are becoming hostages to the geopolitical ambitions of the Western curators of Kiev.

We are still ready to cooperate with colleagues in the UN Security Council on the humanitarian track in Ukraine. We are open to discuss all the modalities. Daily humanitarian corridors are being open. The Russian Armed Forces guarantee safe evacuation through them to everyone who wishes to do so.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 22:19 utc | 57

Gonzalo Lira said there are many "Gentlemen's Clubs" in Ukraine (Kiev, for ex) which are very expensive (exclusive b/c expensive).

They feed off the wealth of "no show" jobs, board positions, etc. ala Hunter Biden and other well-connected leeches.

There is a photo released recently of Hunter and a child who appears to be approximately aged 8 in a "bikini" of the sort that young females would wear in a "Gentlemen's Club".

It can be argued at this point that it's photoshopped, bogus, etc.

However, common sense dictates, as does the implication that Hunter and friends frequent these clubs.

Russian & Eastern European Elites are famously known to provide pretty young women to their international guests.

They are perhaps lesser known for video and still pics of their guests in flagrante delecto.

Perhaps we've seen a warning - a shot across the bow - from Russia.

At this point, vis a vis the amount of BS which the public finds acceptable (as there always be some amt of "plausible deniability.)

"Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?!)

It may be that the rampant pedophilia among our elite representatives is the only thing preventing a nuclear event.

So sad for that lesbian Vik Nuland Nudelman.

She wants to kill everybody.

Their DUMBS are surely very well appointed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzR---YDDIQ

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Mar 28 2022 22:21 utc | 58

This is just a comment in a Russian Forum

http://ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/415616-zolotoy-rubl-tysyacha-rubley-–-eto-teper-odin-karat-zolotom-rossiya-fakticheski-perehodit-na-zolotoy-rubl/

this is not a denomination, this is the FIRST OF THE RULES for the upcoming pricing of gas( and rather everything else) in rubles.

that is-how and through what to count this-gas to foreigners for rubles! taking into account the fact that the main means of settlement in the world have become absolutely insolvent garbage for us( there are bumazhki-but you can't buy them), taking into account all the measures taken within the country for currency( in simple terms, the currency exchange is now no longer needed-rather shrink into some insignificant shit-after all, with the currency now fuck that you'll do it)- you need to understand how to count? so they brought out a round figure-1000r one carat. everything-you want gas-count through gold, the price is the same and don't give a shit about your currency exchanges and so on.

and given the fact that the price of gold is completely controlled by the British city( absolutely and completely and no one hides this, like-how much we need now is so much and will be), then the second bottom opens...... hah))) that is, linking the ruble to gold bypassing the baksoevrovye forfeits is hah)))) beautifully... given that at the current price of gold, it is not enough for a couple of years of trading for energy.... means what? and let's raise the cost of the gold coin( myzh mogem).... how many times....

a carat=1000 rubles.... still the same....

and yes-the balance does not give a shit-commodity (and not gold) binding is a free hand in the issue of any currency-as much as necessary and zeros will be added... So I'm sorry but you're completely past it

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 22:24 utc | 59

Intelligence suggests 'environmental' factor sickened Abramovich, Ukrainian negotiators -U.S. official
https://www.reuters.com/world/intelligence-suggests-environmental-factor-sickened-abramovich-ukrainian-2022-03-28/

"The U.S. official told Reuters: "The intelligence highly suggests this was environmental," adding: "E.g., not poisoning." The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, declined to elaborate."

That's interesting - someone on the inside pouring cold water on the story. Too bad he didn't elaborate.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 22:24 utc | 60

We are witnessing short-term greed vs long-term planning. No contest. Russia and China’s extreme patience and refusal to stoop to the lowest common denominator is not being missed by anyone paying attention. Pity those that aren’t.

As far as the mass of the people go, the extraordinary swings of opinion which occur nowadays, the emotions which can be turned on and off like a tap, are the result of newspaper and radio hypnosis. In the intelligentsia I should say they result rather from money and mere physical safety. At a given moment they may be ‘pro-war’ or ‘anti-war’, but in either case they have no realistic picture of war in their minds.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/looking-back-on-the-spanish-war/

Posted by: Rae | Mar 28 2022 22:24 utc | 61

@Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 28 2022 21:31 utc | 36
@Posted by: ptb | Mar 28 2022 22:09 utc | 52

This is only a bid price price, not an ask price, between March 28th and June 30th. Gold can be sold to the central bank at that price in ruble, but nowhere does it say that the central bank has to do this without limit. The price is also significantly below the current spot price. This is not pegging the currency to gold, as that would require an explicit guarantee that rubles could be exchanged for gold at a fixed price, an ask price, the very opposite of what the Russian central bank is doing.

This IS NOT fixed convertibility, as that would require a fixed price for "on demand" conversion of rubles to gold. The central bank is buying gold at a fixed price, not selling at it. There is no fixed price convertibility.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 28 2022 22:25 utc | 62

Featherless #56

"Oh my gosh ! It’s POLONICHOK, the Hybrid Variant" !

YES, loved it. either that or Pfizerchok, Faucichok, etc..:))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 28 2022 22:25 utc | 63

@Abe | Mar 28 2022 21:43 utc | 42

Less well known are the Khabarovsk war crime trials held in December 1949 when the Soviets prosecuted members of Unit 731 for carrying out lethal experiments on human beings. The United States did not try the Unit 731 Japanese scientists and doctors which it captured. Instead they were allowed to go free in exchange for the information which they had collected from their experiments.

Posted by: cirsium | Mar 28 2022 22:26 utc | 64

Posted by: Jen | Mar 28 2022 21:43 utc | 43
Sure :)

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 28 2022 22:27 utc | 65

Fun video on the Intel Slava Z channel:

Another evidence of the survivability of the T-72B3 tank: during the fighting in Mariupol, the tank was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in the roof but continued to move without visible damage
https://t.me/intelslava/23824

Shot was filmed from the position of the RPG. No confirmation, of course. Could have just been a video game clip, for all I know. But fun, nonetheless.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 22:28 utc | 66

For those who missed the news I announced on the previous thread, Lavrov declared the NATO/EU/USA collective a "dictatorship," so the days of "partners" and "colleagues" are now history.

The West will now be shunned, isolated, forced to do business with Russia on Russia's terms or not at all. Today Lavrov noted that all major Global South political organizations support Russia--All of them, representing over 7 Billion people. Looks like the "Golden Billion" will turn out to be pyrite--fool's gold.

There were several songs written marking the events of 1989-1991, in particular I'm thinking of Right Here, Right Now by Jesus Jones, although I must admit there's some great irony now in connection to The Scorpions Winds of Change, which was my fav from that era.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 28 2022 22:29 utc | 67

A Russian hymn as they go about their liberation from the Ukranian nazis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmI_FT4YHU

Russia is not leaving Ukraine as it will be standing over the nazi grave until they are sure they are dead!

Hooray for that.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 28 2022 22:30 utc | 68

Hi. I usualy do not engage in posting. Love an eye on eye debate to track if my co-debater believes what he/sheis saying... could not resist to "bellincrap". I often quote on them as Bullshitcat. It will be my jubilation project. Stay smart!

Posted by: Jo Gu | Mar 28 2022 22:32 utc | 69

From Rybar Telegram channel...

British intelligence, under the guise of fresh data, gives out information about the arrival of Wagner PMCs in Ukraine.

The British believe that due to the heavy losses of the Russian Armed Forces, Russia is forced to sacrifice operations in Africa and Syria and transfer over 1,000 Wagner fighters to Ukraine.

We will leave aside the fact that the entire collective West was talking about the presence of the Wagner PMC on the front line back in February.

We are interested in something else.

Here we are talking about 1000+ fighters. Good. Experienced. But still more than a thousand. And according to the British, this will not only cover the losses of the RF Armed Forces, but also jeopardize other Russian campaigns in other countries.

Logic and British intelligence are incompatible things.
#Great Britain #Russia #Ukraine
@rybar

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 22:33 utc | 70

Viktor Yushchenko
Віктор Ющенко

Had a bad case of "Putin poisoning" too...
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17570-skin-growths-saved-poisoned-ukrainian-president/

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 28 2022 22:33 utc | 71

@2: Do you call Moscow Moskva? The world knows the capital of the Ukraine as Kiev. Similarly the river Dnieper, Dnipro in Ukrainian.

Posted by: El Rucio | Mar 28 2022 22:39 utc | 72

@32 ptb

I’m glad you raised the subject because I wondered about that as well. Was the helicopter under some belief that it had secured safe passage for itself? Maybe under false premises like that it was on a humanitarian mission or something? Blackmail? That backfired??

On the issue of poisoning and the intelligence organs of the UK. Has anyone posted on the appearance of a case of tick-borne disease Crimea-Congo hemorrhagic fever in the Uk? A woman who’d returned from Central Asia recently (foolish me thought it was too early for ticks in the northern hemisphere but a quick look at a couple sources on the Net told me otherwise.) Looks like it’s the first reported case since 2014.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/crimean-congo-hemorrhagic-fever-identified-in-u-k-here-s-what-to-know-about-the-disease-1.5834916

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 28 2022 22:41 utc | 73

@oldhippie #36, @PJB #44, @Peter AU1 #45

That’s fake news. Nothing of the sort has been announced.

Posted by: S | Mar 28 2022 22:46 utc | 74

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 22:28 utc | 66

Another evidence of the survivability of the T-72B3 tank

Blast is too weak for main warhead IMO. Either it failed to detonate, or it hit extremely obliquely and broke apart.

Also, it was aimed at (I guess) crew hatch/roof where armor can't protect reliably (aiming there was done in Chechen wars regularly), but it hit machine gun mount and pushed to rotate.

Tank crew was very lucky.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 28 2022 22:47 utc | 75

@ptb #52:

Is that an policy of fixed convertibility (both buy & sell) or only a bid by central bank to buy gold?

It’s only a bid by the Central Bank to buy gold, and the price is only fixed until June 30, 2022.

Posted by: S | Mar 28 2022 22:50 utc | 76

Fact 1: Russia demands payment in Rubles only. On the surface this makes no sense. A buyer can just open an account at Sberbank (not sanctioned), send EUR, convert EUR to RUB, pay with RUB. Hardly an inconvenience.

Fact 2. Russian Central Bank opens a RUB/gold window selling RUB at fixed 5000 RUB per gram gold. This too makes no sense. At USD/RUB 100 it is offering to buy gold at $1550/oz which is considerably below market price and therefore seemingly pointless.

Neither facts above make sense until you consider the possibility there's a third shoe ready to drop, one that will cause all hell to break loose.

Speculation 1. The Russian central bank will issue a directive forbidding banks from selling RUB for EUR, USD, GBP or CHF. Result: Unfriendly states will only be able to access RUB by selling gold. No gold, no gas, no exceptions.

Speculation 2. The above induces a steady outflow of approx 6 tons of gold per day out of the EU banking system. This eventually drains it of all physical forcing the EU to make spot market purchases on the COMEX. Since the COMEX is leveraged 500 to 1 paper to physical the surge in buyers standing for delivery causes a global gold (and commodity) repricing event to $20,000/oz. This event would effectively devalue the USD and EUR about 90% which would result in a sudden and catastrophic collapse in US and EU living standards.

Posted by: Cornholio | Mar 28 2022 22:51 utc | 77

| Mar 28 2022 19:55 utc | 2
We can gladly do without screaming ghosts here....

Posted by: Pnyx | Mar 28 2022 22:51 utc | 78

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 22:28 utc | 66

The modernized Russian tanks can take some hits. I saw several in Syria that only received superficial damage from one hit. A DPR T-62 in Mariupol was stopped by the first shot hitting a track. Second shot did nothing third shot must have broke through as the hatches opened and smoke was coming out the turret hatch though not the drivers hatch. Poor bastards had run into an ambush and got hit from three sides. I think it was about five shots all up and the crew mostly got killed by the follow up shots as they where getting out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 22:53 utc | 79

Earlier at his meeting with United Russia I commented on the previous thread, Lavrov mentioned the other Main Point Xi and Putin have also made clear as the collective West renounces their longstanding historical values,

"This is a turning point in the historical development of civilizations."

Of course, the majority of people within the West aren't doing the renouncing. A growing percentage of them are seething, especially within the EU Dictatorship.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 28 2022 22:55 utc | 80

Moon of Alabama has a tweet quoted in a ZH posting about the disunity in the EU after the Biden conflab of the last few days

the MoA tweet
"
Let the Groups of Seven explain:
- Why Russia should accept Euros or Dollars if those get confiscated?
- Where they will get their energy imports from?
"

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 28 2022 22:58 utc | 81

Not being a financial guy, anyone want to comment on this guy's take?

Did the Russians just back the ruble to gold? A timeline of how we got here and where we go next
https://renaissancemen.org/2022/03/25/did-the-russians-just-back-the-ruble-to-gold-a-timeline-of-how-we-got-here-and-where-we-go-next/

So I’m walking the dog and see this. Wait. Did I just read that right? The Russian government is offering them fixed amount of rubles of 5000 rubles per gram of gold. I did some rough math in my head and it came out to about $50/g in USD, and I think the going rate here is something like $60/g in USD.

But that is taking the exchange rate of the ruble to USD at about $.01 per ruble. It’s actually something like $.011.

Then this past week, we saw that Russia would sell oil to “unfriendly nations” in gold. Germany NEEDS Russian natural gas and won’t boycott it. So does Austria. Turkey already said they aren’t boycotting. Russia then selects what countries need to pay in gold for a barrel of oil.

This then means gold is the center of the system with a co-anchor of oil. And thus you then have a fixed ruble amount to gold and oil.

FULL STOP.

It hit me that IF this is true, which I verified here which sources it from here (I don’t speak Russian) – then this could mean that Luke Gromen’s prophecy last week could come true inside of weeks. Now, Luke used an exaggeration of 1000 barrels per ounce, which would make oil $2, but I have heard many outlets where Russia feels comfortable with what we would know as $50 oil. Using rough math, that is about 40 barrels per ounce in USD. Anything over those barrels per ounce, creates the arbitrage that Luke was talking about. If it’s 50-100-1000 it makes no difference – what would happen is there would be a rush to gold from “unfriendly nations” that need gold to then pay that amount of gold for oil. For “friendly” nations, they can buy in rubles. But how would you then exchange rubles for yuan? Perhaps they have a fixed number they have in mind – and then so many yuan = so many rubles – indicating China can thus convert Yuan to gold, on demand.

This is the BRICS versus non-BRICS financial system.

Read the rest, there's a lot more including a timeline of gold and fiat currencies. Again, not a finance guy, have no idea if any of this is true.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 22:59 utc | 82

Are the Russians deliberately teasing “as good as gold”?

Posted by: Rae | Mar 28 2022 23:01 utc | 83

@Steve, #16:

It didn't start out this way. A few decades ago western MSM began to become more of propaganda entities than news/journalists, just like the Communist media were in the 50's and 60's. They started with fooling their readership/audiences subtly, totally got away with it, then became bolder and bolder in holding their audiences' intelligence in contempt. Not only did they got away with it, they became successful brainwashers. Western sphere citizens have themselves to blame.

Creepage of Animal-Farmism. We are now at a stage that they can get away with outrageous fake news such as Nalvany.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 28 2022 23:03 utc | 84

From Marketwatch... I used to be a "gold bug" way back in the 70's, but I've forgotten all that since.

Opinion: Russia just made a case for owning gold — and nobody noticed
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russia-just-made-a-case-for-owning-goldand-nobody-noticed-11648415950

And it comes courtesy of Pavel Zavalny, the head of the Russian parliament.

Zavalny spoke last week on the subject of all the economic and financial sanctions being levied against Russia following the invasion of Ukraine. Most of the coverage of his remarks implied that Russia might respond to the sanctions by switching from U.S. dollars to “bitcoin” BTCUSD, -0.91% BTCUSD, -0.91% for international trade.

But a look at the transcript being reported shows something quite different. Zavalny added bitcoin only at the end of a long list of other currency and trading options, almost as an afterthought.

(As you might expect. Not only is bitcoin new, ridiculously volatile, widely open to manipulation, and a massive drain on energy in a world facing an energy crisis, but it also offers no guarantee of privacy. Western authorities can track all transactions on the blockchain, with the result, for example, that they can even get back bitcoin ransoms.)

Much more interesting was Zavalny’s main point, even though it has been mostly overlooked. If other countries want to buy oil, gas, other resources or anything else from Russia, he said, “let them pay either in hard currency, and this is gold for us, or pay as it is convenient for us, this is the national currency.”

In other words, Russia is happy to accept your national currency — yuan, lira, ringgits or whatever — or rubles, or “hard currency,” and for them that no longer means U.S. dollars, it means gold.

“The dollar ceases to be a means of payment for us, it has lost all interest for us,” Zavalny added, calling the greenback no better than “candy wrappers.”

There's more.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 28 2022 23:03 utc | 85

Just read where Lavrov told the West (NATO, US, UK, EU) to piss off. They have shown that they are unable to abide by terms of any agreement (ref Minsk, Minsk 2). They have no dog in the hunt anyway... unless you factor in corruption.

Posted by: arrow | Mar 28 2022 23:04 utc | 86

About that gold thing:
Russia sets fixed gold price as it restarts official bullion purchases
KITCO, today

Posted by: Awe | Mar 28 2022 23:04 utc | 87

@ 44, 45, and 52

Hal TurnerRadio Show. Be careful even other websites who link to Turner admits he gets things wrong.

Read what was stated.
= = = = =

About the price.. Isn't US .gov official price, 06/11/2021 [book value] fixed at USD$42/one troy ounce?
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/reports-statements/gold-report/
= = = = =

Russia Central Bank is buying gold from banks.

Reuters with a slant:
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russian-cenbank-restart-buying-gold-banks-will-pay-fixed-price-march-28-2022-03-25/

March 25 (Reuters) - The Russian central bank will restart buying gold from banks and will pay a fixed price of 5,000 roubles ($52) per gramme between March 28 and June 30, the bank said on Friday.

The central bank, which suspended gold purchases from banks in mid-March to meet increased demand for the precious metal from households, said the resumption of buying would help ensure sustainable supply and the uninterrupted functioning of gold producers.

($1 = 96.25 roubles)

= = = = =


Under sanctions, Russia was booted from the LMBA and miners can no longer export to the West. However, there is the Shanghai Gold Exchange.

Russia is the world's 2nd largest gold producer. China is No.1.

Western sanctions are pushing both countries closer and away from the USD$. Short-term, Russia central bank will now increase gold purchases with all the Rubles Gazprom will be receiving from gas and oil sales.

China and Russia recently announced a "more than strategic alliance" and Chinese banks with Russian currency swap lines will act as "agents" to assist Russia in using the gold market to wash its sanctioned money, allowing it to trade globally.

Gold for commodities (oil) without counter-party risks. We have entered the long unfolding of multi-currency reserve world.

Federal Reserve Chairman said just weeks ago, "Possible to have more than one Reserve currency"
https://www.forexfactory.com/news/1142056-powell-possible-to-have-more-than-one-reserve

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 28 2022 23:05 utc | 88

PJB | Mar 28 2022 21:45 utc | 44
Just to reaffirm Hal Turner admittied to being a paid disinformation agent and I assume he is back on the payroll...
Lawyer: FBI Paid Right-Wing Blogger Charged With Threats

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 28 2022 23:06 utc | 89

karlof1 | Mar 28 2022 22:55 utc | 80

I suspect the west will be left to seethe for a bit till they turn to in fighting in which time Russia China India ect will get the new international trade system up and running. All the while the Russian bear methodically giving Ukraine a thorough renovation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 23:11 utc | 90

Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 21:49 utc | 45

NOTE: There is a difference between a gram and an ounce...

"Gold backed ruble - 5000 rubles per ounce at current? exchange rate works out a little over US$1600 per troy ounce. Gold price currently US$1922 per ounce. I guess the current dollar ruble exchange rate just changed."

from oldhippie | Mar 28 2022 21:31 utc | 36

"Today Russia announced the ruble is backed by gold and convertible at 5000 rubles for one gram of gold."

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Mar 28 2022 23:18 utc | 91

I should relink to this excellent essay by Crooke that displays his acumen. Related to Lavrov's observation I cited @80, after describing the allegory Crooke says:

"The point here is that the carefully deliberated counter-attack on this Brzezinski zeitgeist was formally launched in Beijing with the joint-declaration that neither Russia nor China accept for America to play chess alone with no others at the board. This represents the defining issue of this coming era: The opening-up of geo-politics. It is an issue for which the excluded ‘others’ are prepared to go to war (they see no choice)." [My Emphasis]

It appears that instead of reading the tea leaves, Biden et al are smoking them and continuing to do so further removes them from reality--a reality that further deviates from their plan daily--yet they continue the neocon folly of thinking they can create their own reality.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 28 2022 23:18 utc | 92

@ Likklemore | Mar 28 2022 23:05 utc | 88 and Awe at # 87 with link about Russia buying gold at a fixed price between March 28 and June 30

This is another shot across the bow of the private financial empire of commodity price control as well as the wedge tipping over of the current US Reserve Currency edifice.

I expect by June 30 there will be a new Reserve Currency born with gold and other breadbasket parts including the currencies of the participating nations. This is exciting to watch unfold.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 28 2022 23:20 utc | 93

@ Boomheist (Mar 28 2022 20:48 utc) & Sushi (Mar 28 2022 21:10 utc)

I agree entirely, Patrick Lancaster deserves an award and so does Vanessa Beeley for that matter.

Posted by: MarkU | Mar 28 2022 23:25 utc | 94

Eating Moringa oleifera leaves can result in the effects reported.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-efficacy-and-side-effects-of-moringa-leaf-powder/

Posted by: Wilikens | Mar 28 2022 23:29 utc | 95

@Boomheist | Mar 28 2022 20:48 utc | 18

Meanwhile, beneath all the froth on the news, lies the simple fact that a) Germany and Europe are using over 130 billion cubic feet of gas from Russia and b) the US might - just maybe might - be able to cobble together 15 billion cubic feet in a couple years..

While I agree to your argument, mind that it is cubic meters, not cubic feet. That is 35.3147 times more.
Just nitpicking.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 28 2022 23:32 utc | 96

People are overthinking it with gold, yuan, etc. It’s much simpler. Many foreign companies have Russian branches that sell products and services to Russians for rubles. A European gas company from an “unfriendly” country can simply open a Russian branch—with an account at a Russian bank—and buy those rubles from them. Whatever dollar/euro amount they pay for those rubles will be transfered via the Western banking system between the parent companies, while the rubles will be transfered via the Russian banking system between their Russian branches. And European countries don’t even have to sell the same amount of goods and services to Russia as the amount of gas they are buying from it—they can purchase rubles from Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and others as well. The only necessary condition for this arrangement to work is that the total amount of goods and services sold in Russia for rubles by all foreign companies from all countries should be equal to or greater than the total amount of gas exported to “unfriendly” countries. This condition is fulfilled.

Posted by: S | Mar 28 2022 23:35 utc | 97

Can someone tell me. Why would Abramovich be invited to such a negotiating team? It doesnt make sense. And hed just been sanctioned too?

On which side was he? The russian team or the Ukraine team?

Why was he boozing in an apartment with two Ukraine team members?

Posted by: Hermius | Mar 28 2022 23:36 utc | 98

Peter AU1 @90--

Russia's in no hurry; it's the ringmaster of our circus, while China's the attractive female assistant. Did you catch the moon soil assay report I posted about 8 hours ago? Lots of Titanium ore to go with the Helium3. There's also mention of several Lunar elements not found on earth. IMO, that clinches the reasons for the China/Russian Lunar Research Base planned to be activated in 2030.

An important point within Crooke's article, it appears the Pentagon has won the intra-Cabinet war with State, which ought to be helpful since more realists reside within the former. I also trust Russia is figuring out how to detect and destroy ultrasonics if it hasn't already and thus be prepared when the Empire finally fields one of its own.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 28 2022 23:37 utc | 99

Doesitreallymatter | Mar 28 2022 23:18 utc | 91

I couldn't see your point. Rubles covert to dollars and grams covert to troy ounce.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 28 2022 23:41 utc | 100

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