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March 30, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-38
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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@ Roger | Mar 30 2022 22:55 utc | 160 Posted by: james | Mar 31 2022 0:49 utc | 201 @161 Wolle Posted by: K | Mar 31 2022 0:52 utc | 202 It is unbelievable that Russia has already reversed itself regarding gas only for rubles. Western leaders must be laughing their asses off at Putin. Negotiate with Putin every day and every day he will further weaken Russia’s position. I pity the Russian people for having such a weak and pitiful leader. How can he ever face the family of a Russian soldier killed in Ukraine? Putin must resign. Russia and the world would be better served if Xi and China came to rule and own Russia. Posted by: Eric | Mar 31 2022 0:57 utc | 203 Posted by: K | Mar 31 2022 0:52 utc | 205 Posted by: john brewster | Mar 31 2022 1:01 utc | 204 Posted by: Paul | Mar 30 2022 20:46 utc | 119, what I remembered was this: Posted by: juliania | Mar 31 2022 1:03 utc | 205 Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 30 2022 21:23 utc | 132
Many thanks for that. I was kind of hoping to see a listing of all labs and the state of control of each. Sounds like Jeffrey Kaye will be the one to watch for any such updates. Posted by: Seer | Mar 31 2022 1:06 utc | 206 @K(205): Thanks! Posted by: Wolle | Mar 31 2022 1:07 utc | 207 I love me the smell of desperate trolls doing drive by’s Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 31 2022 1:08 utc | 208 And the epicentre of modern Naziism is in Canada, where sporting Nazi regalia has become as obligatory, in the political class, as Poppies once were. Posted by: DougK | Mar 31 2022 1:12 utc | 209 karlof1 | Mar 30 2022 21:13 utc | 128, just letting you know that I do thank you for the UN info — haven’t had a chance yet to follow the link you gave on the first page of this thread. I consider that information as important as the uncovering of the Ukrainian biolabs control — things are moving very fast, and I would say realignments are happening behind the scenes that we do not know about as yet. I’ll finish my slow progress through the posts on this thread in the hope that such behind the scenes occurrences are the ‘soft landing’ we all have dreamed of and hoped for. Posted by: juliania | Mar 31 2022 1:20 utc | 210 i’m probably the 500th person to post this, but it’s amusing in any case: Posted by: the pair | Mar 31 2022 1:26 utc | 212 Oh the irony… Posted by: Lurker | Mar 31 2022 1:29 utc | 213 juliania @214– Maybe some of the European countries like Germany and France are “genuinely” planning to break from the US by first make complete obedience to the US to reach the point where economic and social crisis occurs, then Europe will say “Look what happens when we follow you, so goodbye” , I.e, let the breakaway comes from the people not from the strangled politicians. Posted by: Man | Mar 31 2022 1:47 utc | 215 “Ukraine has already brought the war onto Russian land. On 25 February they hit Millerovo Airfield near Rostov. On 29 March they hit an ammunition depot near Belgorod. The gloves are off.” A comment at Turcopolier Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Mar 31 2022 1:48 utc | 216 The US is so desperate that they are now publicly claiming that the Russian military is lying to Putin about the progress of the war. This is just sad, what is the point of spouting nonsense like that for? Who is the market for this propaganda? The Russians know the truth and aren’t paying any attention to this drivel. The American people have already been conditioned to think that Russians are evil and have repeatedly been proven to not care about the internal politics of other countries. Posted by: Kadath | Mar 31 2022 1:49 utc | 217 @K 205 etc Posted by: ptb | Mar 31 2022 1:56 utc | 218 IMO, Putin wants to give the US a taste of what it did to Russia in the 90’s. That’s the real goal. Posted by: juliania | Mar 31 2022 2:05 utc | 219 This one weird trick can rally millions to risk getting nuked! Posted by: Will | Mar 31 2022 2:07 utc | 220 Unless you’re at a museum of native american or buddhist symbols, which this place is not, that history is completely blown away by 20th century events. Further discussion of this is just polluting the airspace. Posted by: K | Mar 31 2022 2:08 utc | 221 I linked to this site from a story in Revolver. Great to see views other than the MSM narrative. On that front, I wonder how many times someone needs to be lied to before their natural skepticism engine kicks in. I’m now convinced a huge section of the populace can be lied to without limit. They are TV inculcated to let their emotions run amok via the trigger of a carefully crafted 5 word headline repeated across each press of the TV remote control. A mere 10 or 20 minute knowledge seeking action — on any topic — is bridge too far for many, seemingly. Posted by: Corsair66 | Mar 31 2022 2:10 utc | 222 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 30 2022 23:03 utc | 165 Posted by: watcher | Mar 31 2022 2:13 utc | 223 News about the telephone conversation between Putin and Scholz on paying Russian gas in rubles. Posted by: k | Mar 31 2022 2:16 utc | 224 Response to 74 – Sundial’s “It’s a complete cop-out by Russia if that is the case. Russia is offering a way out to an openly hostile entity.” Posted by: Corsair66 | Mar 31 2022 2:27 utc | 225 Posted by: juliania | Mar 31 2022 1:03 utc | 208 Posted by: Paul | Mar 31 2022 2:31 utc | 226 GreyRaven @ 91 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 31 2022 2:51 utc | 227 @165 Posted by: Venom | Mar 31 2022 2:54 utc | 228 > Unless you’re at a museum of native american or buddhist symbols, which this place is not, that history is completely blown away by 20th century events. Further discussion of this is just polluting the airspace. Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Mar 31 2022 2:56 utc | 229 @ Tony_0pmoc | Mar 30 2022 23:01 utc | 162 Posted by: MarkU | Mar 31 2022 2:58 utc | 230 @Passerby Posted by: Jason | Mar 31 2022 2:59 utc | 231 Thanks Lex Talionis for the reference to Costa-Gravas’ 1969 movie “Z”. I’d like to think you are on to something here, albeit something oblique and subtle. Z the Algerian/French movie, from the 1966 book of the same name, is a classic movie of resistance and intrigue set in Greece during the tyranny of the junta of the generals, and the title reiterates popular graffiti of that time: Z= he lives! The intrigue involves CIA and NATO machinations, nuclear weapons and assassinations, and various mise-en-scene allusions to American foreign policy misdemeanours. In sum, all the activities of the gladio “stay behind” fascist networks. Posted by: Australian lady | Mar 31 2022 3:06 utc | 232 Posted by: Will | Mar 31 2022 2:07 utc | 228 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 3:19 utc | 233 Posted by: watcher | Mar 31 2022 2:13 utc | 231 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 3:24 utc | 234 Posted by: Venom | Mar 31 2022 2:54 utc | 240 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 3:29 utc | 235 From Colonel Cassad Telegram channel…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 3:37 utc | 236 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 3:24 utc | 246 Posted by: watcher | Mar 31 2022 3:40 utc | 237 Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Mar 31 2022 2:01 utc | 224 Posted by: ted001 | Mar 31 2022 3:42 utc | 238 Posted by: watcher | Mar 31 2022 2:13 utc | 231 Posted by: Seer | Mar 31 2022 3:58 utc | 239 @247 Posted by: Venom | Mar 31 2022 4:30 utc | 240 Posted by: bjd | Mar 30 2022 21:29 utc | 135 Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 31 2022 4:37 utc | 241 I’m sure others have mentioned it, but the latest talks between Germany and Russia to me point towards Russia playing a long game of kicking the USA out of Europe. It is in Germany’s interests to switch sides, and Russia’s best move is to appear like the good guys (mother Russia indeed) pursuing a united Eurasian project. Posted by: Lessonsplink | Mar 31 2022 4:45 utc | 242 OK I’ve largely stayed outta the Ukraine discussion because apart from my dislike of the voyeuristic side of obsessive war watching, saying what I think is rarely worth getting caught up in the arguments maybe even shouting matches which could flow from it. Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 31 2022 4:54 utc | 243 @Featherless | Mar 30 2022 23:06 utc | 168 Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 31 2022 5:05 utc | 244 Posted by: Seer | Mar 31 2022 3:58 utc | 251 Posted by: watcher | Mar 31 2022 5:06 utc | 245 @Robert post237, Posted by: Corsair66 | Mar 31 2022 5:21 utc | 246 @ Venom | Mar 31 2022 2:54 utc | 240 Posted by: james | Mar 31 2022 5:29 utc | 247 @ Debsisdead | Mar 31 2022 4:54 utc | 255 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 31 2022 5:32 utc | 248 Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Mar 31 2022 2:01 utc | 224 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 31 2022 5:36 utc | 249 @255 debisdead Posted by: Haassaan | Mar 31 2022 5:44 utc | 250 such is life Posted by: K | Mar 31 2022 6:00 utc | 251 @244 Australian Lady – Thank you! You put all my mish mashed thoughts together. Z is my favorite movie. Zabriskie Point is #2. Unfortunately cinema has taken over so much of the means of human communication. I prefer the written word, even though I am not the best practitioner. Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 31 2022 6:01 utc | 252 @Tony_0pmoc | Mar 30 2022 22:07 utc | 146 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 31 2022 6:05 utc | 253 Posted by: Venom | Mar 31 2022 4:30 utc | 252 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 6:13 utc | 254 @Lessonsplink | Mar 31 2022 4:45 utc | 254
I have not seen it mentioned a lot, but my guess is that you are correct in this, and for sure I would hope it is that way. I think Russia, being very legalistic (in a positive way), would go out of its way to demonstrate that any interruption of gas supply would be caused purely by the bad decisions of ‘west’. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 31 2022 6:18 utc | 255 Posted by: Corsair66 | Mar 31 2022 5:21 utc | 258 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 6:19 utc | 256 Posted by: Venom | Mar 31 2022 4:30 utc | 252 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 31 2022 6:32 utc | 257 Posted by: Haassaan | Mar 31 2022 5:44 utc | 262 Posted by: watcher | Mar 31 2022 6:40 utc | 258 Debsisdead don’t underestimate yourself! I would wager there is a small army of lurkers hanging out for posts from barflies like you. Posted by: Rae | Mar 31 2022 6:52 utc | 259 Posted by: Will | Mar 31 2022 2:07 utc | 228 Posted by: Cortes | Mar 31 2022 7:06 utc | 260 While I take on board the comment that Russia may not have had the power to directly confront amerika, that was never really at issue. They certainly had the wherewithall to deal to Turkey which was on the outer with amerika at that time, yet Russia did not do so. More importantly Russia despite its assurances that everything would be better after October 2019, have done nothing to bring that about. IOW the October claim was just typical politician prevarication to distract queries until the questioners moved on. Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 31 2022 7:14 utc | 261 Tony_0pmoc | Mar 31 2022 0:09 utc | 193 Posted by: chu teh | Mar 31 2022 7:15 utc | 262 Mariupol maternity home. Actress or victim? The swastika is shot, for better or worse. It doesn’t matter all the things it used to stand for. You can’t use it for that anymore. The Nazis have ruined it pretty much for all of the foreseeable future.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-shale-kemp-idUSKBN0FN0GO20140718 Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 31 2022 7:28 utc | 264 A thought provoking article. Biden truly are a menace to all life on earth. How many times does Putin have to give before this can go nuclear. Posted by: col from OZ | Mar 31 2022 7:37 utc | 265 Circumspect @ 239 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 31 2022 7:40 utc | 266 BASF announced to stop it biggest plant without Russian gas. No acetylene, no ammonia. Half Germany stops working. Now they are shocked. Posted by: njet | Mar 31 2022 7:44 utc | 267 If someone is not able to access Ministry of Defense of Russia! Posted by: k | Mar 31 2022 8:00 utc | 268 juliania and Paul and others interested in New Zealand’s “contribution” to the Ukrainian situation could listen to/watch this – Posted by: tucenz | Mar 31 2022 8:05 utc | 269 The elbow-bump seen around the world: Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 31 2022 8:25 utc | 270 @Tom_12 | 276
Yap. I always scratch my head over these abiotic-origins-equals-neverending-supply people. Abiotic or not, Texas’ oilfields are empty and not refilling any time soon. Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Mar 31 2022 8:37 utc | 271 @Boo | Mar 30 2022 21:39 utc | 140 Posted by: WhyCantWeJusGetAlong | Mar 31 2022 9:18 utc | 272 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 30 2022 19:30 utc | 94 Posted by: RJB | Mar 31 2022 9:27 utc | 273 The president of Russia got where he is today by serving the elites while he was deputy mayor of St. Petersburg, so why would he change from a proven winning tactic? Posted by: K | Mar 31 2022 9:33 utc | 274 Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 30 2022 22:07 utc | 146 Posted by: D J G | Mar 31 2022 9:42 utc | 275 Norwegian | Mar 31 2022 6:18 utc | 268 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 31 2022 9:42 utc | 276 “Chancellor Scholz did not give consent in this conversation, but only asked for written information in order to better understand the procedure,” Hebestreit said. He added that the G7 agreement remains in force: energy supplies will be paid exclusively in euros and dollars, as stipulated in the contracts.” Posted by: D J G | Mar 31 2022 9:58 utc | 277 RJB | Mar 31 2022 9:27 utc | 286 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 31 2022 9:58 utc | 278 The US is so desperate that they are now publicly claiming that the Russian military is lying to Putin about the progress of the war. This is just sad, what is the point of spouting nonsense like that for? Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 31 2022 10:00 utc | 279 Debsisdead Posted by: Useless meat beater | Mar 31 2022 10:02 utc | 280 Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 31 2022 10:00 utc | 292 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 31 2022 10:08 utc | 281 Jesus, there’s absolutely nothing good about the European Greens, is there? Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 31 2022 10:16 utc | 282 Putin wants to give the US a taste of what it did to Russia in the 90’s. That’s the real goal. Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 31 2022 10:23 utc | 283 John Kennard | Mar 31 2022 10:23 utc | 296 Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 31 2022 10:54 utc | 284 When the costs keep rising, those ukraine flags are going to disappear I think. Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 31 2022 10:56 utc | 285 Hey Meat Eater, what army do you command? We won’t be seeing you putting your brave face out there, will we? I thought not. And talk about spouting nonsense. We’ll soon see who is fixated. The U.S. has just released 1 million barrels/day from its SPR trying to keep a lid on things. Good luck with that. Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Mar 31 2022 14:20 utc | 286 Breaking: The German „Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten“ (German Economic News) news outlet reported at 1400 UTC that according to Reuters, foreign buyers of Russian gas would be required to pay in Rubles through the Gazprombank as per tomorrow, 1. April 2022: Posted by: GreyRaven | Mar 31 2022 14:24 utc | 287 Addendum: Posted by: GreyRaven | Mar 31 2022 14:39 utc | 288 Here, the same report regarding Russian gas sales by the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation (ORF): Posted by: GreyRaven | Mar 31 2022 14:51 utc | 289 Lukashenko might help negociations: I heard that crack 103rd paratrooper brigade from Vitebsk (Belarus) is itching to take over Lutsk and Lvov. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 31 2022 14:52 utc | 290 Useless meat beater <- Clumsy Trolling Attempt Award. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 31 2022 14:57 utc | 291 Didn’t the Russians offer safe passage from Mariupol WITH THEIR WEAPONS for Ukrainian soldiers a week or so ago? Posted by: Ken Meyercord | Mar 31 2022 15:22 utc | 292 Didn’t the Russians offer safe passage WITH THEIR WEAPONS for Ukrainian fighters a week or so ago? Posted by: Ken Meyercord | Mar 31 2022 15:36 utc | 293 Do me a favour you guys across the herring-pond and boycott the New York Post. It’s like our Sun. Full of shit. Sorry, no other word for it. Who the heck is doing George Galloway’s research ? I like the guy but this one does him no justice.
https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1509156881151012874 Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 31 2022 15:55 utc | 295 https://twitter.com/nrg8000/status/1509518391362859015?s=21&t=yYMiP_zr_u0Eb88BUI8W3Q Posted by: Keith | Mar 31 2022 16:05 utc | 296 Here’s a jaw-dropping video to watch, Putin’s Greater Russia, four insane people spouting insane, racist garbage on Russia. Some key points I took away from this “discussion” Russian “spy churches” are everywhere, “Putin is dying!”, my favorite part was them interviewing an actual Russian who supports Putin and Russia and the narrator says that he has a Russian character trait that is vital for Russians more than ever, “resignation”!?! These people have spent so long eating their own shit, they think it is completely normal and that everyone who doesn’t agree with them is insane and can be completely ignored. Special shout out to the supreme nitwit Craig Copetas, who laughs whenever a recording of Russia is played and identifies the new Russian super weapon, “Spy Churches!” – Russia TV should pay this interview non-stop on their channels to see what the “West” really thinks of Russian people, culture and religion. Posted by: Kadath | Mar 31 2022 17:11 utc | 298 From Bloomberg:
This being of course merely the latest turn, it does sound like Russia caved. Sad. Here is more from the same source for context:
This “internal conversion” is exactly how things have worked for all these decades, with the exception that it will not happen through the sanctioned Central Bank of Russia anymore. Rubles can be created by Russia at will, and the only significant factor is that the EU will just like before not need to provide real goods and services against those rubles (and by extension, the natural gas it receives). This is why the EU is satisfied with the so-called “new” agreement. Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 31 2022 17:28 utc | 299 Regarding the NatGas delivery and payment -to the EU- story… Posted by: Seer | Mar 31 2022 17:57 utc | 300 |
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