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March 27, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-36
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Nine bridges and four dams across the Dnieper River. That is all the Ukraine Army has to evacuate it heavy weapons from eastern Ukraine. Unless US has supplied it with large number of pontoons, Rhino Ferries, etc., all heavy equipment will be left on east bank and units with small arms will be allowed to escape to west. Russian Army should supply smallish inflatables to Ukrainian Army to enable this. Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 27 2022 13:48 utc | 1 Part of the horrible tragedy that we unleashed on Iraq stemmed from the lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. While another part of that horrible tragedy stemmed from the fact that when our leaders began the conflict, they had no realistic exit strategy. Posted by: Clueless Honky | Mar 27 2022 13:51 utc | 2 Trump calling out Biden yesterday neglects to mention the biggest single strategic mistake in recent U.S. presidential history was when he pulled the U.S. out of the JCPOA. That one move is what put the U.S. in the situation in now finds itself in. How? Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Mar 27 2022 13:59 utc | 3 Funny, the west (Japan) expressing confusion as to how they will effect the payment for gas in roubles. Yet they are so inventive when they wish to be. Posted by: jared | Mar 27 2022 14:10 utc | 5 Someone recommended that I check out Hitchen’s article on the Ukraine situation, as his expert eye noticed in 2010. Personally I hardly think one would need to be an expert to realize that trouble was just below the horizon, but lets accept that he has/had that extraordinary ability to see the future. Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 27 2022 14:14 utc | 6 Reposting this on today’s thread as I posted the original only this morning on yesterday’s thread: Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 27 2022 14:17 utc | 7 @2 Ghost Ship Posted by: schmoe | Mar 27 2022 14:18 utc | 8
OT, but . . . IMHO it never was. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 27 2022 14:26 utc | 9 Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 27 2022 14:17 utc | 8 Posted by: Surferket | Mar 27 2022 14:28 utc | 11 https://sputniknews.com/20220326/gop-wants-to-subpoena-hunter-biden-over-leaked-emails-if-they-regain-majority-in-congress-1094227404.html Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 27 2022 14:29 utc | 12 @thecelticwithinme #4 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 27 2022 14:30 utc | 13 Ukraine continues to fight the war on twitter (and web3 now) as opposed to Russia fighting the war in real life
Posted by: c1ue | Mar 27 2022 14:32 utc | 14 Precise technical details are lacking, but regional media reports indicate it will likely dwarf the massive Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River and generate three times as much electricity for distribution in China while robbing India of water from Himalayan and Tibetan snowmelt. Posted by: bonks | Mar 27 2022 14:33 utc | 15 Brutal murders of Russian POWs Posted by: bonks | Mar 27 2022 14:39 utc | 16 TD bank is waiving fees for money transfers to Ukraine. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Mar 27 2022 14:43 utc | 17 People really interested in what’s happening in Ukraine should get on Telegram. There are several very good sites that have frequent updates with videos and photos. They will also expose the Nazi fakes. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 27 2022 14:44 utc | 18 Posted by: bonks | Mar 27 2022 14:39 utc | 17 Posted by: Surferket | Mar 27 2022 14:48 utc | 19 Scmhmoe@9… I read somewhere that the best NATO ManPads come with special wings to protect undergarments from Mangina leakage. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 27 2022 14:49 utc | 20 The currently circulating POW torture video may be an effort by Ukraine to make their own troops afraid of surrendering for fear of Russian reprisals. Not that Ukrainian soldiers are incapable of this anyway (the Southfront article linked by Bonks at [17] has examples of other crimes) but several high level officers, including a colonel, are said to be in the new video. There have been widespread allegations of Ukrainian soldiers firing on their own surrendering comrades and given the tightening noose in the Donbass and apparent refusal of requests to allow a withdrawal, the cornered commanders may become increasingly desperate to maintain control. Many hours after the video went viral the Western media still has not touched the story. Strange how something so shocking, dramatic, and blatantly illegal is not considered newsworthy to a media normally falling over itself for anything that matches even one of those criteria. Posted by: Brannagyn | Mar 27 2022 14:55 utc | 21 Funny, the west (Japan) expressing confusion as to how they will effect the payment for gas in roubles. Yet they are so inventive when they wish to be. Posted by: financial matters | Mar 27 2022 15:12 utc | 22 To clarify, I should have said Trump’s ego would not have let things get this far. I you recall, in December Pres. Putin made two if not three separate speeches in reference to Russian written security demands with nary a word in response from the Biden Administration. And things stayed that way until February when the U.S. finally did reply in writing. Of course, by that time Russia pretty much could see the writing on the wall. And yet still Lavrov held out for diplomacy. Trump being the narcissist that he is, would have seen opportunity in Russia’s security demands. Instead, we got silence. The Blinking one is in way over his head. Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Mar 27 2022 15:22 utc | 23 @3 “So what are our leaders saying is our exit strategy in this conflict with Russia?” Posted by: dh | Mar 27 2022 15:26 utc | 24 @ Eighthman 113 Posted by: jimmy | Mar 27 2022 15:36 utc | 25 The pettiness of some EU businesses knows no bounds. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 15:53 utc | 26 Now with Sean Penn threatening to “publicly smelt” his personal cache of golden Oscars if the Clown Prince of Armageddon doesn’t get to to appear tonight on the Oscars, I have to say I’m looking forward to either alternative. I’d love to see this public smelting — it could be absolutely classic hyperirony, but Zelensky in his t-shirt could really help to conclusively drive home the point: The Academy of Motion Pictures is an abject slave of Empire. It should be perfectly clear by now.
The Pentagon and CIA Have Shaped Thousands of Hollywood Movies Into Super Effective Propaganda Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 27 2022 15:53 utc | 27 The US groaning and complaining because India won’t do as the US tells it, good for India I say. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 15:58 utc | 28 This tell me that the Ukrainian forces are close to spent, and that the UK at least realises the consequences of that. Or the UK might be trying to stall for time for whatever reason, one could be for the Nazi’s to regroup and be replenished with supplies and weapons. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 16:01 utc | 29 Aleph_Null (28). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 16:05 utc | 30 La mossa di Putin nel far pagare il gas in rubli ha spiazzato non pochi attori politici occidentali, Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Mar 27 2022 16:08 utc | 31 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 15:53 utc | 27 Posted by: HerrHesser | Mar 27 2022 16:10 utc | 32 The head of the Peoples Republic of Lugansk, wants to hold a plebiscite on joining Russia, no word on Dontesk following a similar route, I suppose after eight years of the Nazi’s shelling civilians, he feels it would be a safer bet to join Russia, and who could blame him for thinking that. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 16:11 utc | 33 New video of Patrick Lancaster interviewing evacuees from Mariupol. Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 27 2022 16:13 utc | 35 During the week
Macron should reach out to UK Bojo and Ben Wallace, Secretary of Defence. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2022 16:14 utc | 36 Where is Yulia Tymoshenko ? Posted by: Givi | Mar 27 2022 16:23 utc | 37 The mentality of the EU and Nato, Russia’s Central Bank is under their sanctions, yet to buy Russian gas they need Rubles which they need to buy from Russia’s Central Bank. A smart move by Putin I think possibly forcing them to think twice about sanctions on the bank. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 16:24 utc | 38 Guess what, yesterday the dutch prime minister said that that Russian sanctions have little impact on the dutch economy and that everything is fine and we could even boycott the import of Russian oil and it would have little effect on the Dutch economy. Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 27 2022 16:26 utc | 39 Peter Pry has a decent video out about Russia’s nuclear forces array vs. the United States. Posted by: circumspect | Mar 27 2022 16:27 utc | 40 Aleph_Null | Mar 27 2022 15:53 utc | 28 Posted by: james | Mar 27 2022 16:31 utc | 41 @ circumspect | Mar 27 2022 16:27 utc | 42 Posted by: james | Mar 27 2022 16:34 utc | 42 New interview of Scott Ritter on Grayzone. Posted by: jared | Mar 27 2022 16:34 utc | 43 @Aleph_Null #28 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 27 2022 16:42 utc | 44 The video of Ukrainian soldiers torturing and shooting Russian prisoners of war is sickening and chilling. It shows the moral bankruptcy of the Ukrainian regime, a country reduced by the influence of ultra-nationalist haters to the worst of the worst. How can anyone question the importance of de-Nazifying the country? That it was attempted by invasion is not as much an indictment of Russia for doing so but an indictment of the US-led West which encouraged and supported the Nazi takeover because a) the US cares about no one but its own leaders and b) the US is always happy to encourage chaos and misery if they believe the effects will spill over to its “enemies”. Posted by: worldblee | Mar 27 2022 16:43 utc | 45 @ Posted by: financial matters | Mar 27 2022 15:12 utc | 23 Posted by: jared | Mar 27 2022 16:43 utc | 46 This Peter Pry is definitely delusional,”free societies” my ass. Posted by: Lolgege | Mar 27 2022 16:44 utc | 47 @ jared 45 Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 27 2022 16:50 utc | 48 Looking at 2nd order effects, the “unfriendly” list includes South Korea and Taiwan and Singapore but not Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand. That is going to be throwing a bit of a monkey wrench into attempts to diversify supply chains, or at least provide a lucrative opportunity for transshipping from HK and other places. Posted by: Billb | Mar 27 2022 16:57 utc | 49 @ Posted by: worldblee | Mar 27 2022 16:43 utc | 47 Posted by: jared | Mar 27 2022 16:59 utc | 50 Sanctions fallout.
= = = = = Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2022 17:11 utc | 51 The reason it never makes sense is that there is a long and methodical agenda that underlies the machinations of governments, economies and “world events.” You can deny it and refer to it using psycho-babble names, but it’s amazing how the pieces fall into place when you consider it. Have you seen the extremely well done documentary about the forces that brought us WWI, here: https://www.corbettreport.com/mp4/wwi.mp4 @ Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 27 2022 16:50 utc | 50 Posted by: jared | Mar 27 2022 17:22 utc | 53 That “Unfriendly Ruble” mecanism seems to move some lines, but a (boeotian) question remains. Posted by: HerrHesser | Mar 27 2022 17:22 utc | 54 MH-17: allegedly in the day of tragedy a secret visit of USA hi-rank brass was held to the nearbyr airfield. Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:25 utc | 55 bio-labs in Ukraine, P-444 project, NewCastle disease Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:36 utc | 56 Brutal murders of Russian POWs Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:53 utc | 57 Brutal murders of Russian POWs Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:53 utc | 58 Brutal murders of Russian POWs Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:53 utc | 59 Brutal murders of Russian POWs Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:54 utc | 60 sorry, B and barflies, that is just weird. therewas not a dsingle comment published, then few minutes later there suddenly were them all…. Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:54 utc | 61 Maybe the ejection of Banderite Administrations from the various liberated cities could be celebrated by projecting giant beams against the night skies with “Z” on them? Posted by: Cortes | Mar 27 2022 18:00 utc | 62 As the world argues back and forth, the $ rolls in for the usual suspects. Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 27 2022 18:02 utc | 63 https://t.me/denazi_UA/4459 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 18:05 utc | 64 @ 4 said; “Russia followed suit in December by submitting written demands to the U.S. and NATO to back off in Ukraine. But did they listen? Of course not.” Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 27 2022 18:09 utc | 65 Lugansk People’s Republic May Hold Referendum on Joining Russia Soon
Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2022 18:09 utc | 66 @Clueless Honky, #3:
Agreed! But to me the biggest tragedy of the Iraq War was that, in the aftermath and revelation of facts, the West as a whole still voted in the same sons of bitches into their offices, as they are still doing now. Even after seeing the carnages at Mosul, Fallujah, Tripoli, Kabul, Aleppo, et al. The tragedy is the death of morality and decency in the whole western political domain. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 27 2022 18:10 utc | 67 @ 4 also said;” I do know one thing though: Trump would not have let things get this far.” Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 27 2022 18:17 utc | 68 “A US President who, during an atrocious war, does not mean what he says on matters of War&Peace, and must be corrected by his hyperventilating staff, is a clear and present danger to all.” Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 27 2022 18:18 utc | 69 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:53 utc | 58
Perhaps they should emigrate to Indonesia. Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 27 2022 18:27 utc | 70 Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 27 2022 18:10 utc | 68 Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 27 2022 18:32 utc | 71 I haven’t seen this linked yet–Greenwald on various Biden (and US) deficiencies. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 27 2022 18:59 utc | 72 Why so slow (Vzglyad, Irina Alksnis, March 24, 2022 — in Russian, footnotes mine)
Posted by: S | Mar 27 2022 19:22 utc | 73 https://twitter.com/DrTara05923422/status/1508004801962991616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1508119188426014725%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.veteranstoday.com%2F2022%2F03%2F27%2Fmariupols-nazi-torture-factories-revealed-pows-shot-for-twitter-videos-extreme-warning-graphic-torture%2F Posted by: Olivier | Mar 27 2022 19:24 utc | 74 The fake Mariupol theatre attack by Russia and the Snake Island event also fake reported by BBC Ukrainian. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2022 19:35 utc | 75 from the Greenwald article Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 27 2022 19:44 utc | 76 @jared #45:
Really? Did we watch the same interview? I think it was the best interview The Grayzone has ever done, period. A must-watch, jam-packed with useful information.
That’s absolutely not true. He did veer off into Iraq stories, but he answered all questions asked by Blumenthal and Maté in great detail. Posted by: S | Mar 27 2022 19:48 utc | 77 Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 27 2022 18:32 utc | 72: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 27 2022 19:49 utc | 78 @ S 74 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 27 2022 19:59 utc | 80 Posted by: S | Mar 27 2022 19:48 utc | 78 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 27 2022 20:02 utc | 81 Remember the magical 5 day war. Well it was magical. The Russian defeat of Ukraine is more magical. NATO prepped the country for 8 years and they fell in 3 days. Posted by: steve | Mar 27 2022 20:13 utc | 82 A good site for updates Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 27 2022 20:16 utc | 83 @jared #52:
Humiliating? In what way? Chechens making Ukrainian POWs shout “Akhmat sila”? How can you even begin to compare that to the actual physical torture, mutilation and killing of Russian POWs by Ukrainians? Posted by: S | Mar 27 2022 20:17 utc | 84 @ Arioch | Mar 27 2022 17:54 utc | 62 Posted by: james | Mar 27 2022 20:20 utc | 85 It’s been quite a while since I’ve come to the bar. So much happening with Ukraine and the implications of the U.S. response that it’s hard to keep up with the commentary. One question I don’t believe has been asked here, sorry if I missed it, is regarding the predicted false flag by the Ukrainians. I agree this has a very high probability. Gonzalo Lira pu up a very involved explanation as to why he believes it will happen in Kiev next week. Since Russian intelligence would certainly be aware of such a possibility they surely have a plan on how to deal with any false flag event. Particular if it involves something like a small tactical nuke that levels a city block, or worse. Given that the Americans will have learned a lot from the false flag chemical attack in Syria, one assumes they will plan a much more sophisticated one on which to blame the Russians in Ukraine. So my question is this: What contingency plan could Russia in store have to counter what will be front page news around thew world? Posted by: krypton | Mar 27 2022 20:34 utc | 86 Apparently Donald Trump is very upset because Zelensky is upstaging his role as the West’s leading reality TV personality. Stealing his thunder so to speak. Posted by: bubbles | Mar 27 2022 20:38 utc | 87 Patrick Lancaster wrote the following on Telegram yesterday
Today Colonel Cassad shared photos from the scene. (More)
Patrick Lancaster has now uploaded a 9 minute video from the site, a school used as an Azov base.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 27 2022 20:54 utc | 88 It seems to me that the suicidally-insane animus of our Western plutocracy against Russia and in particular Putin arises from the conquest of Russia being a necessary preliminary to the conquest of China, and that the plutocracy were actually feasting fat on Russia when someone they thought was their comprador as much as Yeltsin turned on them. Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 27 2022 20:55 utc | 89 Posted by: james | Mar 27 2022 20:20 utc | 86 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 27 2022 20:55 utc | 90 Don’t bring a checker board to chess match Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 27 2022 20:57 utc | 91 krypton | Mar 27 2022 20:34 utc | 87 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 27 2022 21:08 utc | 93 !!! Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 27 2022 21:11 utc | 94 #52 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 27 2022 21:14 utc | 95 Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Mar 27 2022 16:08 utc | 32 Posted by: albagen | Mar 27 2022 21:14 utc | 96 Focus on Ukraine, Russia not fooling those within Outlaw US Empire, as this article reveals:
IMO, it’s also likely that much of the Anti-Russian propaganda isn’t sticking either. If media was honest, Biden’s negatives would be much larger. Does anyone know about this Wagner Group, described by mainstream media as “Putin’s Nazis?” I just wonder how much credibility this has. Posted by: Dennis R Morgan | Mar 27 2022 21:29 utc | 98 Cracks starting to appear? Posted by: Awe | Mar 27 2022 21:30 utc | 99 Golanzo Lira Exposes Nudelman-Khagan. Posted by: IronForge | Mar 27 2022 21:34 utc | 100 |
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