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March 24, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-34

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Methinks none of you lived in Poland under Soviet rule so you are free to talk BS about things you have no clue of.
Haters gonna hate.
And how many extermination camps did the Soviets set up and run on Polish territory?
Posted by: Kukulkan | Mar 24 2022 21:07 utc | 180
They made concentration camps in Soviet Union like:
Katyn
Starobilsk
Ostashkov
Russia has long tradition of deporting Poles to Siberia dating back to early XIXth century.
During WWII they deported enough to raise an army and then another army of leftovers.
It appears Wobblie @88 thinks Putin and Putin’s Russia is as bad as Stalin and Stalin’s USSR.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 17:35 utc | 93
I don’t think European geography has significantly changed since mid XXth century. Stain or Putin does not matter, it has nothing to do with any specific person. The strategic considerations are the same. Because of lacking natural barriers Russia needs buffer zone and it directly conflicts with independence of it’s neighbours. Stalin moving Poland west was attempting to expand that buffer zone at the expense of both Germany and Poland. In 1941 Stalin was planning to attack Germany because that was the next logical step. Now Lavrov is demanding retracting NATO behind Odra river. It’s the same push west.
@Cabe
Again, it’s about geography, not about persons. The map dictates the conflict.
Posted by: Robert Macaire | Mar 24 2022 21:35 utc | 186
UK never intended to hold it’s promises in 1939. British wanted Hitler to engage Stalin eventually. Poland was just an obstacle.
Nor they intended to hold promise this year when they pledged to protect Ukraine, except, at least in Poland, no one trusted them because of 1939.
Also, investigate early WWII US discussions whom to support: Hitler or Stalin.

Posted by: pppp | Mar 24 2022 22:21 utc | 201

Report from Donbass Insider Telegram channel… Also there was a report from Mariupol saying that in almost every apartment complex are dead bodies of neo-Nazis. They had expelled the residents and turned them into firing points and are now dead in them. DPR flag raised over center of the city.
Statement by the official representative of the DPR People’s Militia on the situation on March 24, 2022

Since the beginning of the day, the enemy has fired 295 shells and mines from 122-mm BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket systems, 122-mm cannon artillery,120-mm mortars.
The areas of 12 settlements of the Republic were under shelling. As a result of the Ukrainian aggression, 7 civilians were injured, including a child. 12 residential buildings, 5 civilian infrastructure facilities were damaged. Mine No. 29, 13 transformer substations, a hospital are de-energized and more than 4,000 people have no electricity.
Materials on the fact of wounding civilians and damage to infrastructure will be transferred to representatives of international human rights organizations, as well as to the DPR General Prosecutor’s Office for inclusion in criminal cases initiated against the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Since the beginning of the day, our servicemen have destroyed 32 Ukrainian invaders, 2 firing positions of D-30 howitzers, 1 ZU-30 anti-aircraft gun and 2 armored vehicles. 1 tank and 1 infantry fighting vehicle were captured.
5 servicemen of the 54th mechanized brigade voluntarily laid down their arms and came over to the DPR People’s Militia side.
In the village of Mariinka, the militants of the Praviy Sector (Right Sector) realized that the same thing would happen to them as to nationalists from Volnovakha, and in a hurry left the city, leaving the rear of the Ukrainian security forces uncovered. At the same time, in order not to sow panic among the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, nationalists convinced the fighters that help would come to them soon, and the nationalists themselves were transferred to another direction.
Since the beginning of the special military operation, 369 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have voluntarily defected to the DPR side, 40 of them are in medical institutions, they receive qualified medical treatment.
From the beginning of the special military operation, the enemy’s losses amounted to:
95 air assault brigade – 156 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were killed and 199 were wounded;
25 air brigade – 173 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were killed and 195 wounded;
56 motorized infantry brigade – 178 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were killed and 217 were wounded;
54 motorized infantry brigade – 265 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were killed and 276 wounded;
12 special honor guard battalion – 339 soldiers of the National Guard of Ukraine were killed and 357 wounded.
Unfortunately, there were losses among our fighters. Over the past day, in the struggle for independence, 7 defenders of the Donetsk People’s Republic died in the line of military duty and 24 comrades were injured.
We express our sincere condolences to the families and friends.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 24 2022 22:27 utc | 202

Tom_Q_Collins @194–
Pepe’s been suspended by Twitter, something he thought would occur weeks ago. He’ll be allowed back until he’s 100% banned.
Alberto @188–
Yes, that’s true, but the reason for the annexations was to create a buffer. Trying to take Finland was utterly foolish and caused Stalin to think because of that failure and distraction from the real threat that when the Germans invaded he fully expected to be shot and was very pleasantly surprised when he wasn’t. Oh, we shouldn’t forget the purge of Russia’s General Staff either. Many more Russians died than might have otherwise because of Stalin’s mistakes–almost mirroring Hitler’s dysfunctional generalship.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 22:30 utc | 203

Cabe nr. 192
“Indeed, rather, something like the way Tito in Yugoslavia, a Croat, cut down Serbia to size so it wouldn’t dominate the other nationalities as had been the case under the monarchy (1918-1941”
Not true!
Also, the fact that Tito was a Croat NEVER figured in any sense untill Serbian chauvinists decided it was time to emphasise it. In ex Yugoslavia people didn’t know who was what nationality until the nationalists-chuavinists decided to bring that up as a matter of life and death.
There is a lot of fact-free stuff going on here, and there are a lot of eager cartographers ready to carve up Ukraine in the name of “peace”, or “the final solution”. Sad!

Posted by: JB | Mar 24 2022 22:33 utc | 204

From MoD Russian Telegram Channel…
Briefing by Chief of Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

The Russian Ministry of Defence continues to analyze documents revealing the military-biological activities of the Pentagon in Ukraine.
The incoming materials allow us to trace the pattern of interaction between US government agencies and Ukrainian bio-objects. The involvement of entities close to the current US leadership, notably the Rosemont Seneca investment fund run by Hunter Biden, is noticeable in the funding of these activities. The Fund has significant financial resources of at least $2.4 billion. The foundation is closely linked to key contractors of the US military department, including Metabiota, which, along with Black and Veach, is a major supplier of equipment to the Pentagon’s bio-labs around the world.
The scale of the program is impressive. The US Agency for International Development, the George Soros Foundation and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention are directly involved, in addition to the military department. Scientific supervision is provided by leading research organisations, including the Los Alamos National Laboratory, which is developing nuclear weapons as part of the Manhattan Project.
All these activities are carried out under the full control of the Pentagon.
Please note – the registration card confirms that it was 30 Ukrainian laboratories, located in 14 settlements that were involved in full-scale military-biological activities in Ukraine.
The document was signed by Viktor Polishchuk, Deputy State Secretary of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers. The legal basis for its signing was the Agreement on Cooperation to Prevent the Spread of Technologies, Pathogens and Information that could be used for the development of biological weapons.
The registration card identifies the customer of the work, the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency, as well as a list of biobjects.
As we have previously reported, the funding for 2018-2020 alone was around $32 million. The text of the document states that the United States, its personnel and contractors are exempt from the obligation to pay taxes or other similar fees that are levied in Ukraine.
The Ministry of Defence has disclosed and summarised the flow of biomaterials. Funding for military-biological activities has enabled the US and its allies to export at least 16,000 bioassays outside Ukraine.
Thus, under the UP-8 project in Lvov, Kharkov, Odessa and Kiev, blood samples were taken from 4,000 servicemen for antibodies to Hantaviruses and from 400 for antibodies to the Congo-Crimean fever virus.
This large-scale screening of the natural immunity of the population was probably carried out in order to select the biological agents most dangerous to the population of a particular region.
Document review reveals that not only human tissue and serum samples, but also dangerous pathogens and their transporters were exported. Thus, more than 10,000 samples were sent to Lugar Centre in Georgia. Other recipients include: reference laboratories in the UK, the Loeffler Institute in Germany.
All this creates risks for the transfer abroad of sensitive genetic information, as well as threats to biological security not only for Ukraine, but also for the regions where the samples were transferred.
One of the US customers’ priorities is the anthrax pathogen, which is highly susceptible and persistent in the environment.
The slide shows documents from the UP-2 project, one of the tasks of which was to identify dead animal burial sites, taking soil samples from anthrax animal burial sites. The interest of US military biologists in studying insect vectors in animal burial sites is also not accidental. Apparently, they analysed the results of an outbreak of anthrax disease in Yamal in 2016, during which cases of vector-borne transmission through flies and gadflies were recorded.
Given that the situation with anthrax in Ukraine remains positive, it raises the question of the need for the Pentagon’s research and its true purpose.
We know of examples where the US military departments work with anthrax has ended in biosecurity emergencies.
Between 2005 and 2015, viable anthrax spores were sent from the US Army’s Dugway proving ground to 194 recipients in ten countries.
The current situation with the shipment of pathogenic biomaterials from Ukraine to European countries could result in loss of life and create a hotbed of epidemiological instability on a scale comparable to the COVID-19 pandemic.
We continue to share information on research involving Ukrainian military personnel. We would like to point out that such work is prohibited within the US and is carried out by the military department outside the US.
Earlier mention was made of the UP-8 research, which involved more than 4,000 people. According to figures published in the Bulgarian media, some 20 Ukrainian soldiers were killed in experiments in the Kharkov laboratory alone and another 200 were hospitalised.
The documents received confirm the attempt to test previously untested medicines on them. This is the Deep Drug screening system for unlicensed pharmaceuticals in the United States and Canada.
What makes the US sponsors particularly cynical is that the developer, Scymount, offered to purchase the system in question on a commercial basis, despite the fact that Ukrainian Ministry of Defence officials were engaged as volunteers.
Such unacceptable approaches, with the tacit approval of the US administration, are the norm for big pharma companies. For example, the US Naval Medical Centre in Jakarta was shut down by Indonesian authorities in 2010 because of numerous irregularities.
The Americans conducted work at the site outside the agreed research programme, collected biological samples and refused to inform the Indonesian government of their findings. The materials they obtained were used on behalf of the Pentagon-affiliated pharmaceutical company Gilead, which conducts trials of its drugs, including in Ukraine and Georgia.
We would like to draw attention that the number of biological laboratories in the USA is not comparable with other countries. According to the Chinese Foreign Ministry, they control 336 laboratories in 30 states outside national jurisdiction.
We believe that in the context of the incoming information, clarification should be sought from Washington regarding the true objectives of the US biolaboratories as part of the international investigation.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 24 2022 22:35 utc | 205

pppp @199–
Yes, most certainly, the geography/topography. The same is true when looking farther East and father back in time to the mass migrations of the Steppe Peoples, not just the Mongols, but the waves that came much earlier. If the Great Khan had only lived two more years, today’s Europe would be much different.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 22:38 utc | 206

now this, to me, is more than just a little bit interesting – ‘annexation’ is on the table now!?
anyone here care to comment on this tidbit?
https://t.me/intelslava/23389
The Ukrainian leadership missed its chance for a sovereign state, – the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova
“They have already missed the main chance for the existence of Ukraine within their own borders, a sovereign Ukraine, an independent Ukraine,” she said.
If you read between the diplomatic lines and Zakharova does not carry a gag, then this can be understood in such a way that a course has been taken for the annexation of Ukraine.
91.2K views Mar 24 at 10:10

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 24 2022 22:39 utc | 207

From MoD Russia Telegram channel…
Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
By the morning of March 24, the units of the Russian Armed Forces took control Izyum city in Kharkov region.
On the evening of March 23 and on the night of March 24, high-precision long-range sea- and air-based weapons attacked military facilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
As a result of strikes, 13 launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems were destroyed, including 9 S-300 and 4 Buk-M1 in Danilovka, south of Kiev, formation headquarters and missile and artillery weapons depot in Bakhmut, Donetsk region, as well as a temporary deployment point of the nationalist battalion in Lisichansk city.
Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 60 military assets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Among them: 2 command posts, 2 multiple launch rocket systems, 4 ammunition depots, 47 areas of concentration of equipment and military hardware of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Russian Air Defence means shot down 2 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Staraya Markovka and Kharkov.
In total, 257 unmanned aerial vehicles, 202 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,572 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 160 multiple launch rocket systems, 633 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,379 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.
The Russian Defence Ministry continues to study documents received from employees of Ukrainian laboratories about secret military biological activities of the United States in Ukraine.
Experts of the Russian Nuclear, Biological and Chemical protection troops during the study of documents revealed new facts proving the direct involvement of the US Department of Defence in the development of biological weapons components in Ukraine.
In the near future, we will show original documents demonstrating that UP-2 biological project, which we have already talked about, was developed and approved by the Pentagon. The main objective of this project was to carry out a molecular analysis of particularly dangerous infections endemic to Ukraine. This work involved sampling the pathogen from old animal burial grounds to obtain new anthrax strains.
However, the Pentagon’s experiments were not limited to the development of dangerous infections. For example, a pharmaceutical company contracted by the US Department of Defence, according to documents obtained, was working with the Ukrainian Defence Ministry to test unregistered medical drugs specifically on Ukrainian servicemen.
We will tell you about these and other documented facts in the near future within a special briefing.
#Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 24 2022 22:40 utc | 208

Posted by: bevin | Mar 24 2022 22:20 utc | 198
My search for “The Lobster for Hess” returned a lot of stuff I am pretty confident you were not referring to.
Can you be more specific as to what you are referring to? Also curious to read about the reason for your moniker.

Posted by: David F | Mar 24 2022 22:49 utc | 209

Posted by: JB | Mar 24 2022 22:33 utc | 202
Hog wash. Tito marked ethnicity in the ID cards of their holders. Croat – H, Muslim – M, the Serbs had no ethnicity in their ID cards and that in itself identified them.

Posted by: Goran | Mar 24 2022 22:55 utc | 210

Posted by: pppp | Mar 24 2022 22:21 utc | 199

Methinks none of you lived in Poland under Soviet rule so you are free to talk BS about things you have no clue of.
Haters gonna hate.

Ok, so why do you hate Russians then?
Because it covers too much of the map? A bit of envy eh?
And btw since Poland was was not a member of Soviet Union, it was under ‘Soviet’ rule as much as today Poland is under ‘Brussels’ rule.
Well, actually, Poland was under a soviet rule, but those were your own councils, right?
The point is: you want to paint yourselves as innocent victims, but you were actually quite active participants in that project.
Don’t be ashamed, be proud, you little field mouse.
Smrt fašizmu!

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 24 2022 23:00 utc | 211

India tells a high-powered cross-party UK delegation to not bother coming anymore. They were expected to lecture India over their Russia ties.
Meanwhile China FM Wang Yi will be in India today.
Growing rift between the West and the rest intensifies.
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1506903640463843334
Rift over Ukraine exposed as high-powered UK delegation to India called off
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/24/rift-over-ukraine-exposed-as-high-powered-uk-delegation-to-india-called-off
Does the West see what is happening? Chinese and Indian rapprochement must be alarming for Western sleepwalkers pretending to rule over all of mankind. Or do they not notice? Both countries keep trading with Russia, both country have been THE economic powerhouses through thousands of years, until both were eaten up by European imperialists.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 24 2022 23:02 utc | 212

In other news, Donald Trump is suing Hillary Clinton
‘Former US President Donald Trump has sued Hillary Clinton, the Democrats, their lawyers, former FBI employees and everyone connected to the “Steele Dossier” for conspiracy to falsely accuse him of “collusion” with Russia in 2016, and undermining his presidency afterwards.’
Source is RT, the counter source for the Western media putsch for hearts and minds.
The legal action bears the title Arsehole 1 vs. Arsehole 2. Should I laugh or weep? Or both.
It’s a very strange world we live in, Master Jack.
No hard feelings if I never come back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WvXpyufT8
I read my country is now following in the footsteps of the US, as in being a War profiteer. Our dear leader is nothing more than a shiny face with a hand up his back. For the first time, I’m thoroughly ashamed of my Country. Been close before, but now I have nowhere to go to fob off the truth.
“Oh, the year was 1778
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
A letter of marque came from the king
To the scummiest vessel I’ve ever seen
God damn them all! I was told
We’d cruise the seas for American gold
We’d fire no guns, shed no tears
But I’m a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett’s Privateer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwzRkjn86w
And they say we are now a civilized entity, not like those who came before us. My gosh we even do Gay Pride! How civilized is that?
Stan Rogers was a unique talent, he died young in a plane crash. I miss him. He was a patriot. Step out of your box for just a wee bit of time. See One Warm Line.An artist, a Patriot, a humanist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIjFpwsXhuI
Ottawa Citizen MSM journalist quoted a Canadian Pilot who took part in the NATO attacks in Libya, and he said “We were Al Qaeda’s Air Force”
There is no way to reconcile these things. Yet, I still love my Country in spite of Arsehole 1 vs. Arsehole 2. and the dummy we currently call a leader, in Ma Kuntry..channeling Borat.
My old bro who was an ex copper and a nasty piece of work would have called the Bronfman’s boy a shiny face. And he would have been right. He was a weird guy in many ways, but I think much changed for him when he was a fresh faced copper and had a young woman come to him seeking help for incest and hoping to protect her younger sister. He did some research in the copper files and was taken back by the volume of complaints of incest in the jurisdiction he was part of.
The official position of the politico’s of the time was, it was a family matter and a Church domain. Now we have me too. Just say it, and it must be true.
Entrenched positions may best be described by the words of Mahatma Gandhi, ‘An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind.”
You know what? As howey Mandel might say, I don’t really see humanity progressing a whole lot at the end of day. Dear leaders talk the talk, but they don’t delver the walk.. They are still stuck in the times Stan Rogers sang about, A Letter of Marque Came From the King, to the scummiest vessel I’ve ever seen
But do carry on with your analysis, if it makes you feel better.
And Jesus wept.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 24 2022 23:10 utc | 213

@Arne Hartmann (210)
Thanks. I love reports like this. Notice the Brits’/Guardian’s duplicity in framing the visit.
Here’s another very interesting read:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/03/russia-counter-sanctions-unfriendly-nations-by-requiring-gas-payments-in-roubles-dallas-fed-predicts-2022-global-recession-if-russian-energy-supply-remains-restricted.html

Posted by: bjd | Mar 24 2022 23:10 utc | 214

All three of Kiev Mayor Klitschko’s children are American citizens born at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. A son was born in 2000, a daughter in 2002, and another son in 2005, making them now ages 22, 20, and 17.

Posted by: susan mullen | Mar 24 2022 23:12 utc | 215

Arne Hartmann @210–
Thanks for that info! The heart of BRICS is RIC and is very solid despite the silly border spat. Modi knows his legacy will be junk if he allows India to fall too far behind a rapidly developing Eurasia. The Quad is certainly Dead.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 23:12 utc | 216

March 24, 2022
“US Dollar and Kinzhal”
lastest Video from Andrei Martyanov
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 24 2022 23:15 utc | 217

The was no such thing as Soviet “occupied” Poland,infact during Communist rule it was the first and only time Poland had any resemblance of true sovereignty.

Posted by: Lolgege | Mar 24 2022 23:16 utc | 218

Posted by: Goran | Mar 24 2022 22:55 utc | 208

Hog wash. Tito marked ethnicity in the ID cards of their holders. Croat – H, Muslim – M, the Serbs had no ethnicity in their ID cards and that in itself identified them.

Are you sure that M stood for a Muslim and not for a Macedonian or perhaps, Hungarian? 😛
And that hypothetical S, would that designate a Serb, Slovenian, or Slovak maybe, hmmm?

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 24 2022 23:21 utc | 219

This is just too funny, “Checkmate fighter’s designers took into account Lockheed F-117A’s weaknesses — patent” The USG giving away its own secrets!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 23:33 utc | 220

The US west is starting to look desperate. Massive propaganda operation to try and bury bio weapons, Kinzal demo plus other assorted firepower. India China, gulf head choppers all telling US//UK where to go, trying to be best buddies to Iran and Venezuela. At the moment it looks a toss up if next move is a major false flag in Ukraine or to dig the hole deeper by sanctioning China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 24 2022 23:38 utc | 221

Just an addition to make my point: This slide shows that China and India combined had between 60-80% share of world GDP from around 0 to 1800, when the British conquered India and extracted the raw materials for her empire from the sub continent by force. China came under European dominance some 60 years later (Opium wars). The slide shows that the pendulum is swinging back and this Ukraine war seems to be an inflection point.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2000-years-economic-history-one-chart/

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 24 2022 23:48 utc | 222

It is useful to read for those who do not yet know how the Ukrainian propaganda of lies works.
Posted by: alaff | Mar 24 2022 15:20 utc | 42
I saw a great graphic somewhere displaying opinions on the Ukraine war by Covid vaccination status. Surprising nobody, the folks who believed all the news on Covid also believe all the news spin on Ukraine. Those who were skeptical on Covid, are also skeptical on Ukraine.
Mainstream liberals tend to be very trusting of government and

… You must be a special kind of stupid.
Ukraine’s Propaganda War: International PR Firms, DC Lobbyists and CIA Cutouts https://www.mintpressnews.com/ukraine-propaganda-war-international-pr-firms-dc-lobbyists-cia-cutouts/280012/
“Dictatorship of the worst kind” – Trudeau lambasted by European parliamentarian | True North https://tnc.news/2022/03/23/dictatorship-of-the-worst-kind-trudeau-lambasted-by-european-parliamentarian/
Croatia on Russian sanction list – “we can be proud” states Prime Minister – The Dubrovnik Times https://www.thedubrovniktimes.com/news/croatia/item/13202-croatia-on-russian-sanction-list-we-can-be-proud-states-prime-minister
Vaccine Hesitancy in Ukraine: The Sign of a Crisis in Governance? | Wilson Center https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/vaccine-hesitancy-ukraine-sign-crisis-governance
Mortality Analyses https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

For the twenty countries currently most affected by COVID-19 worldwide, the bars in the chart below show the number of deaths either per 100 confirmed cases (observed case-fatality ratio) or per 100,000 population (this represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases and healthy people). Countries at the top of this figure have the most deaths proportionally to their COVID-19 cases or population, not necessarily the most deaths overall.

Cases and mortality by country
Country Confirmed Deaths Case-Fatality Deaths/100K pop.
United States 79,844,430 974,830 1.2% 296.99
India 43,014,687 516,672 1.2% 37.81
Brazil 29,738,362 658,286 2.2% 311.91
France 24,683,075 142,362 0.6% 212.29
United Kingdom 20,669,099 164,712 0.8% 246.45
Germany 19,217,142 127,324 0.7% 153.16
Russia 17,408,475 358,510 2.1% 248.32

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 24 2022 23:49 utc | 223

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 24 2022 23:02 utc | 210
Yes, the Mackinder nightmare is now mutating, DEEPENING, EXPANDING. Not only Russia and China have they driven together, but now also China and India. The Anglo-Saxon screams in pain as ancient, powerful civilizations lay aside their differences and are freshly energized to hold constructive talks toward deepened relations (within the time-tested framework of the Shanghai Coooperation Organization), rather than being successfully goaded to fight and bleed each other.
The UK pressure teams pompously referred to “cross-party parliamentary delegations” are asked to promptly fuck right off. Even The Guardian inferred that India “is not interested in providing them a ‘platform'” to spew their Atlanticist poison to incite India against its Eurasian brethren.
What a beautiful development to behold!

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 24 2022 23:50 utc | 224

Yes, this is OT, but very important. Yves wrote this today about the ruble payment issue, and Michael Hudson made the following comment:
“Your explanation was wonderfully clear, Yves. I’ve circulated it to my UN colleagues after a morning meeting with the Near East and India for a meeting. They are seeing dedollarization as a means of de-indebting themselves, especially in view of the rising energy and food prices that will make payment of their foreign debt impossible. The IMF is trying to give them SDRs to pay dollar bondholders, but the representatives I spoke with today look forward to a Eurasian-backed alternative set of institutions to the IMF and World Bank, starting with a kind of Clean Slate. That was their motive for inviting me to the meeting. The amazing thing is that it is the US itself that has chosen to dedollarie the world — and perhaps with it, its dollarized debt burden for the Global South.”
I wish I had this info yesterday in our discussion with Hudson–Damn!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 23:52 utc | 225

Russian imposter engages in video call with UK Defence Secretary Wallace.
https://youtu.be/BzSlNjkQkDA

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 24 2022 23:56 utc | 226

@David F | Mar 24 2022 20:30 utc | 174
thanks! might be the same women for all i know!
@ oldhippie | Mar 24 2022 20:52 utc | 178
i agree with you – racism, pure and simple… i liked the story you gave serving for gorby…
@ Cabe | Mar 24 2022 21:42 utc | 187 / 192
thanks! i really appreciate your articulate and informed view of this.. i am going to share your response to her and will let you know her response.. she is really a very nice lady- all light and happiness on the surface, but the prejudice and etc – hidden under the surface until the topic is raised on the ukraine – russia situation.. it really is the west under usa-nato verses the russian perspective… it is hard to impossible to change peoples minds and i haven’t even tried with her! she loves jazz and met me as a drummer playing it.. as it happens her brother is also a jazz drummer in poland, so we have a nice relationship for this and other reasons… however, we don’t talk politics and i have told her i identify with russias position much more then the west.. i try to just leave it at that and she accepts that.. fortunately her brother also sees it the same and he lives in poland! i will give her your response and get back to you on her response if she provides one.. i think she will!
@ Lolgege | Mar 24 2022 22:09 utc | 193
of course, that is how i see it as well, as do many here at moa… thanks..

Posted by: james | Mar 24 2022 23:56 utc | 227

@ bubbles | Mar 24 2022 23:10 utc | 211
kudos for mentioning stan rogers!! first time i have seen this on moa!
@ Peter AU1 | Mar 24 2022 23:38 utc | 219
sorta looks that way to me as well..
@ karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 23:52 utc | 223
thanks karl, for this and the many other posts.. i do want to read this and will shortly.

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 0:03 utc | 228

Posted by: ptb | Mar 24 2022 15:47 utc | 48
Saw something on a Telegram channel IIRC that this is a new jamming pod that the Russians are using to jam Ukrainian air defense. Which may be why a number of Ukrainian S-300 have been destroyed in the last day or so. Makes sense – Russia built the S-300, they should know how to jam it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 0:34 utc | 229

@ karlof1 | Mar 24 2022 23:52 utc | 223 with the Michael Hudson follow on about what Russia going into Ukraine has born….thanks
Yes, world wide inflation will make the stupid debt situation even dumber. It is good to read that there is a move afoot to call for a debt reset which is probably not what the elite necessarily wanted….at this time….backed into a corner like they are….
Interesting times folk and just keep breathing……

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2022 0:37 utc | 230

Posted by: Boo | Mar 24 2022 16:14 utc | 65
I saw that. If that actually reflects Russia’s thinking, everyone is in for a surprise. Russia will likely annex ALL of Ukraine – including western Ukraine. That will boggle most people’s minds.
Note: This is still not an “occupation” in the conventional sense. Russia would rely on a new Ukrainian “administration” to control the country, i.e., a “puppet regime.”
I still doubt this, but the difference between my conception of what will occur and this idea is not entirely clear.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 0:39 utc | 231

@ bubbles | Mar 24 2022 23:10 utc | 211
kudos for mentioning stan rogers!! first time i have seen this on moa!
Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 0:03 utc | 226
For as long as it lasts, I have a lot of memories of things that are significant James. Unfortunately as is often the case these things are cast into the dustbin in favor of the shouting from advocates of this or that side.
With us or against us, no centrist positions allowed apparently.Says the humankind spox of the enlightened ones.
Personally I think they are dangerous ideologues, and history chronicles the outcome of what happens to nations that go down that path.
Speaking of nations, as in ours, and the extremely low birth rate and the open arms immigration policy, doesn’t it seem like just another attempt to compensate for so called liberal policies that encouraged birth control and women’s rights not to have children but instead to go out to work for the benefit of the new God’s, the Corporate God. See the fawning over the New God’s at places like Bloomberg. Home base of the New and improved Money Changers? ie the New River Boat Gamblers. They are betting on other gamblers bets over there and they call it the Markets.
Damned if I know how these Messianic twats think they were given some divine like power to change up thousands of years of status quo and embark on ‘Creative Destruction’ without a much touted democratic license to do so.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 25 2022 0:57 utc | 232

Pentagon Drops Truth Bombs to Stave Off War With Russia
March 23, 2022
Two leaked stories from the Pentagon have exposed the lies of mainstream media about how Russia is conducting the Ukraine war in a bid to counter propaganda intended to get NATO into the conflict, writes Joe Lauria.
By Joe Lauria
Special to Consortium News

The Pentagon is engaged in a consequential battle with the U.S. State Department and the Congress to prevent a direct military confrontation with Russia, which could unleash the most unimaginable horror of war.
President Joe Biden is caught in the middle of the fray. So far he is siding with the Defense Department, saying there cannot be a NATO no-fly zone over Ukraine fighting Russian aircraft because “that’s called World War III, okay? Let’s get it straight here, guys. We will not fight the third world war in Ukraine.”
“President Biden’s been clear that U.S. troops won’t fight Russia in Ukraine, and if you establish a no-fly zone, certainly in order to enforce that no-fly zone, you’ll have to engage Russian aircraft. And again, that would put us at war with Russia,” said U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin earlier this month. (The administration plan is to bring down the Russian government through a ground insurgency and economic war, not a direct military one.)
But pressure on the White House from Congress and the press corps is unrelenting to recklessly bring NATO directly into the war. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, hailed as a virtual superhero in Western media, has vacillated between openness to negotiating a peace settlement with Russia and calling for NATO to “close the skies” above Ukraine. To save his country he appears willing to risk endangering the entire world.
Meanwhile, Western corporate media, depending almost exclusively on Ukrainian sources, report that Russia is losing the war, with its military offensive “stalled,” and in frustration has deliberately targeted civilians and flattened cities.
Biden has bought into this part of the story, calling Russian President Vladimir Putin a “war criminal.” He has also said that Russia is planning a “false flag” chemical attack to pin on Ukraine.
But on Tuesday, the Pentagon took the bold step of leaking two stories to reporters that contradict those tales. “Russia’s conduct in the brutal war tells a different story than the widely accepted view that Vladimir Putin is intent on demolishing Ukraine and inflicting maximum civilian damage—and it reveals the Russian leader’s strategic balancing act,” reported Newsweek in an article entitled, “Putin’s Bombers Could Devastate Ukraine But He’s Holding Back. Here’s Why.”
The piece quotes an unnamed analyst at the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) saying, “The heart of Kyiv has barely been touched. And almost all of the long-range strikes have been aimed at military targets.”
A retired U.S. Air Force officer now working as an analyst for a Pentagon contractor, added: “We need to understand Russia’s actual conduct. If we merely convince ourselves that Russia is bombing indiscriminately, or [that] it is failing to inflict more harm because its personnel are not up to the task or because it is technically inept, then we are not seeing the real conflict.”
The article says:
“As of the past weekend, in 24 days of conflict, Russia has flown some 1,400 strike sorties and delivered almost 1,000 missiles (by contrast, the United States flew more sorties and delivered more weapons in the first day of the 2003 Iraq war). …
A proportion of those strikes have damaged and destroyed civilian structures and killed and injured innocent civilians, but the level of death and destruction is low compared to Russia’s capacity.
‘I know it’s hard … to swallow that the carnage and destruction could be much worse than it is,’ says the DIA analyst. ‘But that’s what the facts show. This suggests to me, at least, that Putin is not intentionally attacking civilians, that perhaps he is mindful that he needs to limit damage in order to leave an out for negotiations.’”
A second retired U.S. Air Force officer says:
“I’m frustrated by the current narrative—that Russia is intentionally targeting civilians, that it is demolishing cities, and that Putin doesn’t care. Such a distorted view stands in the way of finding an end before true disaster hits or the war spreads to the rest of Europe. I know that the news keeps repeating that Putin is targeting civilians, but there is no evidence that Russia is intentionally doing so. In fact, I’d say that Russian could be killing thousands more civilians if it wanted to.”
These Pentagon sources confirm what Putin and the Russian Ministry of Defense have been saying all along: that instead of being “stalled,” Russia is executing a methodical war plan to encircle cities, opening humanitarian corridors for civilians, leaving civilian infrastructure like water, electricity, telephony and internet intact, and trying to avoid as many civilian casualties as possible.
Until these Pentagon leaks it was difficult to confirm that Russia was entirely telling the truth and that corporate media were publishing fables cooked up by Ukraine’s publicity machine.

No Evidence of Chemicals
The second article directly undermines Biden’s dramatic warning about a false flag chemical attack. Reuters reported: “The United States has not yet seen any concrete indications of an imminent Russian chemical or biological weapons attack in Ukraine but is closely monitoring streams of intelligence for them, a senior U.S. defense official said.”
It quoted the Pentagon official as saying, “There’s no indication that there’s something imminent in that regard right now.” Neither The New York Times nor The Washington Post published the Reuters article, which appeared in the more obscure U.S. News and World Report.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story — even if it could lead to the most devastating consequences in history.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/23/pentagon-drops-truth-bombs-to-stave-off-war-with-russia/

Posted by: daffyDuct | Mar 25 2022 1:00 utc | 233

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 0:39 utc | 229
My guess is an autonomous region. Mostly self governed with backup from the Russia federation something like Chechnya.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 1:01 utc | 234

@james | Mar 24 2022 18:59 utc | 145
“Polish people suffered more cruelty from russian/soviet army/administration than from more civilized, westerners Germans….”
Six million Poles died under Nazi occupation 1939-1945. How many millions died between 1945-1989??? How many Poles would be alive after 50 years had the Nazi occupation continued until 1989? Do the math.
“Russians… still represent asian cruelty…. Soviets and Stalin were pure savages, or better: beasts.”
She could be quoting from *Mein Kampf* here.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 1:02 utc | 235

Inflation doesn’t make national debt a problem, not in the least; inflation makes it go away. The US never paid off it’s war debts from WW2, it inflated them away. US debt is all locked in at under 2%; if inflation tracks closer to 5% for 5 years, that debt just becomes a pittance. All that consumer debt becomes manageable. IF they increase progressive income taxes, IF they nationalize healthcare (in the US) IF they keep the stimulus, raise the Minimum wage, and raise it again; we can be much better that we would otherwise be. (loss of dollar hegemony potentially is no big deal, if we’d give up the Empire dreams, cash that “peace dividend” we never realized and reinvest domestically…I have very little faith in that, so we’ll see/feel pain; but it will all be again, self inflicted)

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 25 2022 1:17 utc | 236

@ bubbles | Mar 25 2022 0:57 utc | 230
i agree with you about the divisiveness and prefer the various shades of grey.. nothing is black and white, but in the world today we are encouraged to think in these black and white only ways… you’re in scotland right? i seem to remember you saying that, or was it a canuck with scottish ancestry? my dads family is from kintail next to the isle of skye… that was a very long time ago.. we came to canada in 1796 on ship mcdonald.. i did a whole music project taking gordon lightfoots songs and putting them in a jazz context back in 2017.. i made a cd of it too and have toured this music mostly on vancouver island and 3 different times over in vancouver.. i have a stan rogers songbook here that i have yet to play all the way thru… being a 2nd rate piano player, i can do it, but both of these songwriters are mostly known via the guitar, not the piano..
@ Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 1:02 utc | 233
people are funny… they get attached to their views and no matter how much information they are given to challenge their views, the attachment to the old view remains in place… i suppose this is why people will go along with an unhealthy situation much longer then one would think they would tolerate… when it comes to opinions – we all have them… i try not to get too attached to them myself… i sent her @ cabes latest comments.. if she replies, i will share her reply… cheers
karlof1 @ 223…. thanks again for that.. others would benefit from reading it. it lays it out fairly well.. it is especially interesting where india sits in all of it too…

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 1:24 utc | 237

The Lobster articles on Hess are from issue 81, from 2021.

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 25 2022 1:24 utc | 238

What Soviets did should not be blamed on Russians. The Russians were the first and foremost victims of the Bolsheviks. Read Solzhenitsyn.

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 25 2022 1:27 utc | 239

@scottinDallas (234), totally agree but it will hurt the top 10% so the US won’t do it. And since we put all the Boomers’ retirement into the market for the house to make money on, inflation is going to be deadly for them as a double whammy of reduction in investment assets and rising costs. But maybe we’ll get lucky and a politician will come around who takes advantage of the opportunity to reorient the US economy and ditch the empire. Probably not, but maybe.

Posted by: Lex | Mar 25 2022 1:31 utc | 240

Didn’t Poland have sovereignty before the 18th century partitions?

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 25 2022 1:37 utc | 241

Short Xinhua press blurb, on EU’s initial reaction to Russia requiring Ruble payment from countries which obstructed Dollar/Euro commerce.
https://english.news.cn/20220324/ada5e3d5a81a4c0496d8d0a8c7be8b65/c.html

Posted by: ptb | Mar 25 2022 1:41 utc | 242

At the USNATO summit press briefing, President Biden stated this in answer to a question.:

I made a commitment when I ran this time, I wasn’t going to run again, and I mean that sincerely, I had no intention of running for president again, and uh, until I saw those folks coming out of the fields in Virginia carrying torches and carrying Nazi banners, and literally singing the same vile rhyme that they used in Germany in the early 20s or 30s I should say, and then when the gentleman you mentioned was asked what he thought and a young woman was killed, a protester, and he was asked what he thought, uh, he said: there are very good people on both sides, and that’s when I decided I wasn’t going to be quiet any longer, and when I ran this time, and I think the American press, whether they look at me favorably or unfavorably this time, acknowledge this, I made a determination nothing is worth, no election is worth my not doing exactly what I think is the right thing, not a joke, I’m too long in the tooth to fool with this any longer, and so …[blah-blah]…Imagine if we sat at home and watched the doors of the Bundestag broken down, and police officers killed and hundreds of people storming in, or imagine if we saw that happening in the British Parliament or whatever. How would we feel?…


My reply to Biden:
We don’t have to imagine it. We did see it happening somewhere else, with your blessing! We witnessed it in February 2014 in Kiev on the Maidan, when rioters stormed the legitimate government, and policemen and people got killed by Nazi snipers!
And what did you do? You sided with the coup and Neonazis (just like you accuse Trump of doing). Worse, Victoria Nuland was directly involved in the installment of a puppet government in Kiev, with the U.S. government funding that coup to the tune of Billions.
Nazis, who also carried torches and chanted racist rhymes on the streets of Ukraine, were involved in the storming and overthrow, and ever since have grown in influence in the Government and military of Ukraine.
President Biden, quit pouring fuel on the fire by arming Nazis that are using Ukrainian civilians as human shields like they did on the Maidan back in 2014. Thanks to you and Victoria Nuland, Ukraine is infested with Nazis at all levels. So please take that hypocritical, smug political pitch and put it where the sun don’t shine.
How ironic that Biden sees himself as an anti-Nazi defender while pouring billions in weapons into Ukraine where Nazi influence is rampant.
Putin is the only one preventing Nazis from ascending to power militarily.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 25 2022 1:51 utc | 243

@ JB | Mar 24 2022 22:33 utc | 202
It is true that it took nationalism a long time to set down its roots among the common people, compared to its initial intellectual advocates. The introduction of modern mass education in public schools was the decisive factor. Where that lagged, so did nationalism and its accompanying fanaticism.
In the case of Yugoslavia, the Kingdom of Serbia and some of its inhabitants aspired before 1914 to “liberate” the Slavs of the the area from Austro-Hungarian rule, so that itself was a form of nationalism. To protect themselves from the threat of Italian aggression and occupation of Dalmatia, the Croats and Slovenes agreed to join the Kingdom of the Serbs, the Croats, and the Slovenes, shortly thereafter to be renamed Yugoslavia. The Serbs, the Croats, and the Bosnian Muslims all spoke the selfsame Serbo-Croatian language and were only differentiated by religious markers, respectively being Orthodox, Catholic, and Muslim.
During the kingdom period of Yugoslavia, extreme fanatical separate nationalist identifications and hatreds broke out particularly between the Serbs and Croats, who of course each blame the other as exclusively being the problem. When the Germans overthrew the kingdom in 1941 and partitioned it, creating a Croatian client state, the two sides went wild massacring each other as well as those not on either side. This lasted from 1941 to 1945. The communists led by Tito, who wanted to suppress the national differences in favor of a multinational nation-state, were able to win out. Since the nationalist war was already on, even with fake nationalities, of course it mattered that Tito was a Croat, but he himself did not want to emphasize it. Also, Tito was not able to dissolve the ethnic administrative regions; rather, as in the Soviet Union, these were constituted as distinct national republics, with only Bosnia-Hercegovina and Montenegro representing historical rather than true national entities.
When Tito’s state broke down in the late 1980s, the same civil war of 1941-1945 was repeated exactly in 1991-1995, even with matching massacres, except that now there was no communist side for supranational unity, although the Muslim Bosniaks had decided in the interim that they were yet another nationality. So the separate nationalisms and their identities triumphed, but that did not make the result good or right.

Posted by: Cabe | Mar 25 2022 1:52 utc | 244

David F @207
The scholarly Lysias@ 236 answers the question re Lobster Magazine (I was wrong to call it The lobster), which is a web magazine edited by Robin Ramsay. It describes itself as a Magazine of Politics, Parapolitics, History. It is often very good, usually superb but occasionally very wrong. In a word it is essential reading.
I can’t find the article that I was thinking about but, as I recall, Hess met in Lisbon with the Duke of Gloucester (I think) before the famous flight. He got the impression that he would receive a warm welcome in the UK… At any rate whatever the details, there is nothing wild about Pepe’s theory- here is a wiki excerpt..
“With the British Expeditionary Force in retreat to Dunkirk and the fall of France seemingly imminent, Halifax believed that the government should explore the possibility of a negotiated peace settlement. His hope was that Hitler’s ally, the still-neutral Italian dictator Mussolini, would broker an agreement. When a memorandum proposing this approach was discussed at the War Cabinet on 27 May, Churchill opposed it and urged his colleagues to fight on without negotiations. He was supported in the war cabinet by its two Labour Party members, Clement Attlee and Arthur Greenwood, and also by the Secretary of State for Air, Sir Archibald Sinclair, who as leader of the Liberal Party was co-opted to the war cabinet for its meetings about the proposed negotiations. Churchill’s biggest problem was that he was not the leader of the Conservative Party and he needed to win the support of ex-Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, without which he could have been forced to resign by the large Conservative majority in the House of Commons…”
The book I recommend is Lukacs, John (1999). Five Days in London: May 1940. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-08466-5.
As to Ernest Bevin, the illegitimate son of a dockworker in Bristol who spent part of his childhood in Devon. He became the leader of the TGWU- a Union in the days when the UK had them- and in the Churchill coalition, Minister of Labour. In the Labour government he was Foreign Secretary and is remembered inter alia, for opposition to the Zionists. He was a right winger but unlike the current crop, not a traitor to the people. In my view it was Bevin- and the millions of working people he spoke for- who tipped the scales and insisted that there be no accommodation with the Nazis.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2022 2:05 utc | 245

@ Posted by: Lysias | Mar 25 2022 1:37 utc | 239
Poland did have formal sovereignty until the Third Partition of 1795, but it had been buffeted by foreign meddling and control for almost a century before that. There arose nevertheless a real protonationalist movement, particularly in the period 1791-1795, strongly influenced by the French Revolution. It is of great note that Tadeusz Kościuszko, one of the heroes of the American War of Independence, returned to Poland to lead the revolt of 1794-1795 against the partitioning powers. In any case, Poland developed nationalism from that time as a result of the desire of the Polish elite to be considered equal to other Europeans and a part of Europe, and one has to own that they were really no later in this than the Germans or the Italians chronologically.

Posted by: Cabe | Mar 25 2022 2:06 utc | 246

@james | Mar 25 2022 1:24 utc | 235
“people are funny… they get attached to their views and no matter how much information they are given to challenge their views, the attachment to the old view remains in place…”
That they do. I’ve heard it said that often with any entrenched worldview under challenge from its inadequacies or inner contradictions it’s often necessary for the older generations invested in it (materially, ego-identification, however) to literally pass away before a new worldview, carried to the fore by the younger generation, can replace it.
Wonder what it’s gonna take in the Western world…

Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 2:12 utc | 247

The problem with Polish nationalism was that it was dominated by a class, the nobility.
Take Joseph Conrad for example, whose father was a revolutionary nationalist imprisoned in Russia.
“Conrad was born on 3 December 1857 in Berdychiv (Polish: Berdyczów), Ukraine, then part of the Russian Empire; the region had once been part of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland…..
Though the vast majority of the surrounding area’s inhabitants were Ukrainians, and the great majority of Berdychiv’s residents were Jewish, almost all the countryside was owned by the Polish szlachta (nobility), to which Conrad’s family belonged as bearers of the Nałęcz coat-of-arms.[23] Polish literature, particularly patriotic literature, was held in high esteem by the area’s Polish population.
The Poles ruled much of Ukraine, whose population were serfs.
There is much more to it: in 1812 (The Overture was banned in the US today!!) the Poles were an important part of Napoleon’s Army.
Lysias @239 ..And what the Bolsheviks did cannot be blamed entirely on them: from 1918 until 1988 the primary forces shaping Soviet policy were successive extremely antagonistic Imperialist governments. It was imperialist pressure that bolstered the positions of those Bolsheviks with authoritarian tendencies. By 1925 Stalin had pretty well taken control. Stalinism is the mirror image of imperialism.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2022 2:28 utc | 248

pppp@199
Much of what you write, including the assertion that the Red Army was preparing to invade Germany before Barbarossa is straight out of Goebbels and an apology for the attack on the USSR- one of the worst and most criminal military campaigns in history. In it over 3 million Soviet POWs were killed in camps with neither shelter nor rations, surrounded while the prisoners starved and died of exposure.
The story of the two Polish Armies, to which you refer, recruited from POWs in the USSR makes a stark contrast: one was repatriated to Europe and fought with great distinction as part of the British Army in North Africa, Italy and Normandy. It was the Poles who saved the day at Falaise. The other fought alongside the Red Army and took part in the, never to be forgotten, campaigns which rolled the Wehrmacht back to Berlin, liberating several actual death camps, including Auschwitz, on the way.
If you cannot see the difference between the fate of the Russian prisoners of the Third Reich and the Polish prisoners of the Red Army, I know that the Poles could. I used to work with them in England half a century ago where many had settled after the war, visiting Poland in their holidays.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2022 2:44 utc | 249

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 1:01 utc | 232
Interesting. I have no idea how Chechnya is run. Maybe I should look into that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 2:45 utc | 250

you’re in scotland right? i seem to remember you saying that, or was it a canuck with scottish ancestry?
Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 1:24 utc | 235
Ach laddie, sometimes I think the cranky Scot in my bloodline get’s the best of me 🙂 Alas there’s also Welsh, Englander and Dutch that I know of. Have one of those family history things done by an Aunt which claims a possible connection to a famous Boer General known for his guerrilla war tactics, but I think that was more fantasy than fact.
No shortage of bonafide Combat Veterans in the clan though, unlike the neolibcon chicken hawk tribe. I remember the few the months I was privileged to spend in the company of my Grandfather a Veteran of Galipoli, before he passed. He never spoke of his experiences but the few things he did say, poems he quoted, the look in his eyes when he spoke, conveyed a message I came to understand much better later in life. Combat Veterans rarely talk to anyone about the horror they experienced except to others who lived through the same and understood.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 25 2022 2:52 utc | 251

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 2:45 utc | 248
Ukraine is a different place and different history and essentially two peoples (two main groups at least) so something taking that into account. Chechnya is a muslim region that lives by Chechen culture and decides its leader accordingly. Kadyrov has several wives. Some Russian federation laws overrule local culture as in the charge of murder overrules blood honor. Kadyrov is only answerable to the President of the Russia federation from what I can make out.
I have no idea what would work for Ukraine but I suspect the Russia leadership can come up with something if there is anything that will work.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 2:57 utc | 252

From Colonel Cassad’s Telegram channel… Looks like the Ukrainian government is preparing to flee from Kiev…

The government of Ukraine has prepared for the evacuation from Kyiv. This is indicated by the decision (https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/39203) of the Verkhovna Rada to support amendments to two laws: “On Central Authorities” and “On the Legal Regime of Martial Law”.
In particular, if earlier the government could only be located in Kyiv, now the Cabinet of Ministers can move to any other city in Ukraine.
It is curious that this decision was made against the backdrop of loud statements by Zelensky’s office about counter-offensives (https://t.me/boris_rozhin/36124) in the capital region and surroundings (https://t.me/dtlive/46373) of almost the entire group Russian troops in the area of ​​Irpin (https://t.me/rybar/29564?single), Bucha (https://t.me/zakharprilepin/6485) and Gostomel (https://t.me/sashakots/30359).
The question arises: if everything is so good near Kiev, and in some areas the Russian troops are “thrown back” (https://t.me/stranaua/32756) for 70 km, then why are you creating legal grounds for the evacuation of the government?!

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 3:03 utc | 253

RSH @ 229, 248, Peter AU 1 @ 232:
In the event that parts of Ukraine join the Russian Federation, they might do so individually as oblasts (equivalent to states in the US or Australia) or as self-governing autonomous republics similar to Crimea, Tatarstan or Udmurtia. Even the style of governance may vary from one administrative unit to another and no one autonomous republic can be taken as the model that former parts of Ukraine might follow.
In short, whatever they do won’t necessarily follow logic and there may be a range of different political arrangements and systems.
Ramzan Kadyrov may still be President of Chechnya. I would be careful reading anything on Chechnyan politics as it may be little more than racist / Islamophobic propaganda based on stereotypes about Chechnyan people. Even sites favourable to Chechnya and Kadyrov might portray Chechen people and their culture in a stereotyped, Orientalist way.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 25 2022 3:04 utc | 254

bubbles | Mar 25 2022 2:52 utc | 249
for a Scot you’re not very cranky. I got to read my grandfathers diaries a couple of years ago. Joined up a enthusiastic volunteer. he was late getting in because he did not meet the physical requirements at the start but put in the last two years in the trenches of france and belgium. by the ed of the first year he had become a pacifist- or least, never again to go off to fight a foreign war. He had signed up to see it through to the end and that is what he did, but he never spoke of war after returning home. I looked into his war record some years ago when my father was getting on. Although he knew his father had been to france, he never knew anything about his fathers two years on the western front. My father would have been in his late eighties when my sister told him about it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 3:19 utc | 255

Posted by: Jen | Mar 25 2022 3:04 utc | 252
Yes, anything is possible. In my view, as long as Russia produces a pro-Russian primary Ukraine area where it can install strategic missiles to counter the ones in Poland and Romania, I think Russia will be satisfied. However, I also think that the farther west Russia can install those missiles the better.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 3:33 utc | 256

@ Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 2:12 utc | 245
well if nothing else i get an education here at moa with the many insightful posters… perhaps one can never learn enough, or as the tao teh ching says – the further you go, the less you know… we do what we can with what we have…
@ bubbles | Mar 25 2022 2:52 utc | 249
my wife says i have generational trauma from the highland spirit inside me that was kicked off the land and forced to come to canada.. not much choice in the matter.. i have read up on the highland clearances… it wasn’t an easy transition, but maybe it beat all the clan wars that i’ve read up on as well.. i guess it is a scottish thing to be cranky… i had a lot of that in me when i was younger and fought against everything.. my outer persona here at moa doesn’t convey any of this.. i have mellowed with age and apparently learned how to pick my battles… thanks for your personal stories and links to the past… i can confirm some of what you say first hand..
@ Jen | Mar 25 2022 3:04 utc | 252..
also we can know for sure that the west under usa leadership will not go along with any of it and continue to try to push russia into a corner and box it in… this way of processing russia will eventually fall apart.. not sure how long that will take… none of these bootlickers inside nato had the balls to say no to ukraine.. they couldn’t and can’t.. they are consequently all in it for the ride here forward…

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 3:39 utc | 257

This is the closing of Biden’s press conference today fully illustrating his total incompetence as president.
Q Do you believe the actions today will have an impact on making Russia change course in Ukraine?
THE PRESIDENT: That’s not what I said. You — you — you’re playing a game with me.
Q (Inaudible.) (Off-mic.)
THE PRESIDENT: I know. The answer is no.
I think what happens is, we have to demonstrate — the purpose — the single-most important thing is for us to stay unified, and the world continue to focus on what a brute this guy is and all the innocent people’s lives that are being lost and ruined, and what’s going on. That’s the important thing.
But, look, if you’re Putin and you think that the — that Europe is going to crack in a month or six weeks or two months, why not — they can take anything for another month.
But we have to demonstrate — the reason I asked for the meeting — we have to stay fully, totally, thoroughly united.
Thank you. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 3:41 utc | 258

I can’t catch any news on the Azov Regiment — are they finished? TIA

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 3:42 utc | 259

Jen | Mar 25 2022 3:04 utc | 252
Its difficult to pick what will happen re Ukraine. Re Chechnya, I put in a lot of time researching that and they have a system that suits. Western NGO’s would and do go to town on Chechnya but I don’t have those hangups.
Ukraine divided into regions? Perhaps. DPR ad LPR may well retain their status as independent or autonomous regions if Ukraine is absorbed into the Russian federation. Zelensky has deplatformed a number of non ethnic Russian parties. There is also the hungarians. A lot of people are going to be cranky about the last eight years but going back to ukraine so called independence – the poverty and death and destruction. that’s all the majority have received from the US and the nazis. If Russia can rebuild the place and bring increasing prosperity, that will turn the tide.
I remember a number of years back now, some sleeper terrorist type popped up in Chechnya. The Chechens killed him, booted the family out of the country and raised the house to the ground.
There is also the Russian reconciliation officers in Syria. They did what I thought was the impossible. Although a number got killed, they separated the Syrian militias from the die hard terrorists and brought about reconciliation between them and the Syrian government.
Ukraine.. if anyone can pull it off the Russians can.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 3:46 utc | 260

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 25 2022 1:27 utc | 237
My reading of Solzenitsyn is slightly different: Russians did the most suffering, yes – he says that, but he also says that Russians themselves are responsible for the Soviet system, he does not blame any other, the others were important but the ultimate responsibility lays with Russians themselves.

Posted by: bystander 04 | Mar 25 2022 3:49 utc | 261

Diminished food supply resulting from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has potential consequences beyond empty stomachs, Agco chief executive Eric Hansotia told CNBC’s Jim Cramer on Thursday.
According to Hansotia, about “13% of the global calories came out of production” when Russian and Ukrainian borders shut down.
“This is a really big deal, because when that volume of calories comes out of the food chain, it triggers other things. Not only hunger, but unrest. The last time we had this kind of disruption, it was one of the major triggers for the Arab Spring,” he said in an interview. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 3:50 utc | 262

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 3:42 utc | 257
Not quite, apparently. Not long now for those in Mariupol.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 3:51 utc | 263

RedScorpion (Z)
@KrasnyySkorpion
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Today, there are two other news important military: -, Poland is about to introduce a contingent of “keeping the peace” of about 10,000 troops in the western regions of Ukraine.
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Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 3:57 utc | 264

Posted by: librul | Mar 24 2022 18:12 utc | 118

The “1812 Overture” will be banned from playing at 4th of July celebrations this year.

The 1812 Overture was for a long time used in the Australian army’s recruitment propaganda (complete with a whistled snippet at the end over visuals of happy blokes in camo in the bush). As I have been out of the country for two decades, I don’t know if it was ever replaced. I suspect not, as it was “iconic”.
No guesses as to whether it has been axed now, of course.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Mar 25 2022 4:04 utc | 265

@Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2022 2:28 utc | 246
Some excellent points, the effects upon the communist party of the horrendous and brutalizing civil war period (1918-1922), exacerbated by the European power interventions, including the Polish, certainly produced authoritarian tendencies. So many of the Bolsheviks died during that period. The antagonism between Poles and Russians goes both ways, the Russians remember the Polish taking advantage of the Time of Troubles to occupy Moscow and manipulate Russian politics, and have to be thrown out by a Russian uprising. The Polish nobility will never forget that it was the youth of that nobility, the officer corps, that were killed at Katyn.
So now Poland is happy to be a US vassal and hate the Soviets who liberated them from the Nazis. They deserve to get Lviv back, together with all the problems the Ukrainian nationalists caused them last time Lviv was part of Poland.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 25 2022 4:04 utc | 266

Nuland in India. What did she achieve? US can buy used Russian/Soviet style weapons and spare parts from India and give it to Ukraine to help there.
Rather meagre result, seems.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-must-stand-against-autocracies-like-russia-and-china-senior-us-official/article65248954.ece

Posted by: bystander 04 | Mar 25 2022 4:05 utc | 267

@ Richard Steven Hack 261
Thank you. It went from big deal to no deal, sorta. Weird.
Bring back denazification! Crank up the Chechens!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 4:10 utc | 268

@bystander 04 265
re: Nuland unsuccessful in India.
1. It encourages China to stay with the program, although they don’t probably really need it.
2. It reminds me of when Hillary went to India as SecState promoting Arkansas’s WalMart. I checked, India still doesn’t have WalMart.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 4:15 utc | 269

@Posted by: bystander 04 | Mar 25 2022 3:49 utc | 259
Solzenitsyn is not a reliable narrator of the communist period, with the archives that have become available after the fall of the Soviet Union pointing to a still horrendous, but significantly more humane “gulag” with the majority of prisoners being actual criminals rather than political prisoners. Like the imperialist historians like Champion etc., he had a political point to make and took a certain license with the truth to make it.
The same goes for the so-called “Holodomor” which was caused by an underlying drought greatly exacerbated by a brutal class war with the kulaks (the petit-bourgeois landlords who were very much hated by the other peasants) who were resisting collectivization and bureaucratic shortcomings. The same happened in China 1959-61, minus the class war as the landlord class had already been removed. Prior to the period of collectivization there had been regular widespread famines in Russia, there were none after. Without the collectivization and rapid industrialization of the 1930s Poland and Russia up to the Urals would now be the “lebensraum” of the Thousand Year Reich – cleared of the Slav untermenschen.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 25 2022 4:16 utc | 270

Any ideas about what happened to the Orsk in Berdyansk? The Ukies claim to have set it on fire, but handling ammo & explosives is always dangerous by itself.
My pro-Russian pages have ignored it completely, disappointing, and making the Ukainian claim more likely.

Posted by: KP | Mar 25 2022 4:17 utc | 271

Ah- ignore me! I was a page behind & see it has been posted.
Ta

Posted by: KP | Mar 25 2022 4:19 utc | 272

The multipolar world.
https://twitter.com/CaoYi_MFA/status/1507025046761459715
An Indian tearing strips off a yank ‘professor’. Worth watching.
Assad invited to Bahrain, Iran has a stand at Doha, India gives the middle finger to UK/US, Brazil goes straight to Russia to secure fertilizer what else is happening… oh yeah China tells US to go as – Martyanov puts it- fvck themselves.
The world has narrowed somewhat. NATO, Australia, Japan, South Korea. and South Korea is iffy.
Looks like my country is going to do the European bearded lady thing and sacrifice itself on yank greatness.
Our head clown threatening to sanction China… deep down Alice’s rabbit hole and safely wrapped in the world of insanity.
This very much fits where we are headed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl0wRIIsWc

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 4:22 utc | 273

@265
Not likely that India would sell old Soviet arms to US for use in Ukraine.. Soviet Union’s favours to India are still remembered fondly in India.

Posted by: R | Mar 25 2022 4:22 utc | 274

Roger @ 134
If the Chinese news website Guancha is correct, which it mostly is, “China-India diplomatic relations will significantly ease and enter a recovery period.”
I was listening to an analysts and I liked this line – I put it in my own words because the original was not in English.
“Wise politics is not only how to deal with an enemy, but more importantly is how to deal with an ally so that to overcome differences that comes along the way.”
Iran wise politics with Russia when it comes to nuclear deal with the US.
China wise politics with Russia when it comes to supporting them.
And now lets see what will come of the wise politics from both China and India if diplomatic relations to enter a recovery period.

Posted by: Man | Mar 25 2022 4:26 utc | 275

@james | Mar 25 2022 3:39 utc | 255
I too learn much here, and refine that learning!
I’ve only learned one bit of the tao teh ching’s wisdom but it’s stayed with me for 40 years:
“The road is long and winding, and error screams at one from every turn”

Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 4:38 utc | 276

Matt Dell on Twitter: “Just found out the BC public service pension plan has roughly ~450M invested in the Russian state owned or oligarch backed companies. Primarily oil & gas, banks and mining, including Gazprom. Divest this now! #bcpoli” https://twitter.com/mattdellok/status/1497369042314661888
Bloomberg on Twitter: “Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan have been purchasing beaten-down corporate bonds tied to Russia in recent days, as hedge funds that specialize in buying cheap credit look to load up on the assets https://t.co/x8Lt0P24BBhttps://twitter.com/business/status/1499633770139377664

To the tune of Stompin’ Tom Conners’ Market Place theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt0qVqwDUUA
Yes they are the Banksters,
Of the Master Race,
Buying up the bargains!
In the ol’ market place. … 🪠 🤣`

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 25 2022 4:40 utc | 277

@Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 3:42 utc | 257
“I can’t catch any news on the Azov Regiment — are they finished? TIA”
LOL, I read the acronym as Transient Ischemic Attack and thought, “Yeah. Fascism’s having a stroke…”

Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 4:42 utc | 278

Better India-China ties would be a HUGE LOSS to the US’s Indo-Pacific program, with its title and also the the new label on the Pentagon’s force in the area, US Indo-Pacific Command reflecting US hopes that India (and the Indian Ocean) would now belong to the US also as reflected in the Quad — US, Japan, Oz and India — which was meant to be anti-China BUT China is never mentioned in any of their meeting summaries, probably India’s doing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 4:43 utc | 279

Speaking of `Messianic Twats’, Steve @ 9 certainly set of a shitstorm, eh?
After all a man hath no greater love than he lay down his granny’s/grandpa’s/mother’s/father’s/aunt’s/uncle’s/sister’s/ brother’s/own life for Jezabeely!

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 25 2022 4:45 utc | 280

daffyDuct @ 231
The Pentagon is engaged in a consequential battle with the U.S. State Department and the Congress to prevent a direct military confrontation with Russia, which could unleash the most unimaginable horror of war.
The great horror to the pentagram would be the pentagram actually having to face an adversary that matches them on many levels. They could make the attempt but their losses would be large scale. I am very certain the CIA has analysts saying the same thing but analysis not liked is sidelined when there is a political objective.
All the weapons NATO is dumping into the fray is for a long term insurrection. Large weapons systems would be easily located and destroyed. They do not want another Crimea where they just folded easily into Russia.
It sounds like the Russians are prepared to rebuild areas once secured. They will also have the ability to shut off the wild propaganda outlets and that will help immensely to bring a future peace in a partitioned Ukraine. Parts of the Ukraine may well see prosperity again.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 25 2022 5:40 utc | 281

Reuters has a posting title claiming that 60% of “some” Russian missiles in Ukraine are failing….how to lie/obfuscate with a straight face….sigh
Anyone know about the type that may be in test phase for Russia?
Outright lie?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2022 5:41 utc | 282

Divide and conquer has ended. Assad was invited to Bahrain, Iran exhibited its military products at Doha. India China understand divide and conquer. Turning of an era now I have to keep going to explain it to my kids who are raising their own families.
The rest of the world is aware of history and culture but the anglo world is not. All it knows is the destruction of cultures.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 5:42 utc | 283

psychohistorian | Mar 25 2022 5:41 utc | 280
psycho, I suspect whoever wrote that has spent a lot of time studying ostriches rather than Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 5:50 utc | 284

Mariupol, March 25, 2022

“Master Miller! Hallo, man!
Grind me that as quick as you can!”
“In with ’em!” Each wretched flopper
Headlong goes into the hopper.
As the farmer turns his back, he
Hears the mill go “creaky! cracky!”
Here you see the bits post mortem,
Just as Fate was pleased to sort ’em.
Master Miller’s ducks with speed
Gobbled up the coarse-grained feed.
Conclusion
In the village not a word,
Not a sign, of grief, was heard.
Widow Tibbets speaking low,
Said, “I thought it would be so!”
“None but self,” cried Buck, “to blame!
Mischief is not life’s true aim!”
Then said gravely Teacher Lämpel,
“There again is an example!”
“To be sure! bad thing for youth,”
Said the Baker, “a sweet tooth!”
Even Uncle says, “Good folks!
See what comes of stupid jokes!”
But the honest farmer: “Guy!
What concern is that to I?”
Through the place in short there went
One wide murmur of content:
“God be praised! the town is free
From this great rascality!”

Mariupol, 25. März 2022

“Meister Müller, he, heran!
Mahl er das, so schnell er kann!”
“Her damit!” Und in den Trichter
Schüttet er die Bösewichter.
Rickeracke! Rickeracke!
Geht die Mühle mit Geknacke.
Hier kann man sie noch erblicken,
Fein geschroten und in Stücken.
Doch sogleich verzehret sie
Meister Müllers Federvieh.
Schluß
Als man dies im Dorf erfuhr,
War von Trauer keine Spur.
Witwe Bolte, mild und weich,
Sprach: “Sieh da, ich dacht, es gleich!”
“Jajaja!” rief Meister Böck
“Bosheit ist kein Lebenszweck!”
Drauf so sprach Herr Lehrer Lämpel:
“Dies ist wieder ein Exempel!”
“Freilich”, meint’ der Zuckerbäcker,
“Warum ist der Mensch so lecker!”
Selbst der gute Onkel Fritze
Sprach: “Das kommt von dumme Witze!”
Doch der brave Bauersmann
Dachte: Wat geiht meck dat an!
Kurz, im ganzen Ort herum
Ging ein freudiges Gebrumm:
“Gott sei Dank! Nun ist’s vorbei
Mit der Übeltäterei!”

Source

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 25 2022 5:58 utc | 285

“The road is long and winding, and error screams at one from every turn”
Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 4:38 utc | 274
China Russia and most countries not five-eyes have walked that long and winding road. the euro twats also but they do not learn from experience. no doubt the Chechens could give them a little experience about the birds and the bees of geopolitics. Kadyrov doesn’t fuck about. In the meantime the clowns will put on their perfume and wigs.
what else do I say, The Asian century is here???

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 6:01 utc | 286

What the Soviet film “Come and See” can teach us about Ukraine. It’s not necessarily what you think.
https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/25/what-come-and-see-can-teach-us-about-ukraine/

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Mar 25 2022 6:09 utc | 287

Posted by: Steve | mar 24 2022 13:26 utc | 9
I´ve met excatly the same phenomenon, almost everybody act as your relatives and family.I tried to argue with them a lot, until I realized the best way to do it to ask them questions about the background to why the Russians invaded Uktraina, and they had to realize that they knew absolute nothing.Then the News on Swedish TV had a coverage on the Azovbattalion, and it really made impression (although the reporter had to say that there were almost the same nationalists in Russia)and people seamed to understand that the picture is more complicated than they first believed.Now some are saying “But not war!” They can´t see the difference between a war of defence or a war of occupation,and “Putin is still a dictator and there´s no democracy in Russia”.Nobody, not even quite politically acquainted can understand that there´s a proxy war going on in Ukraina.I think we have the time with us and gradually the wisest will understand.

Posted by: Northern Eve | Mar 25 2022 6:10 utc | 288

I do not understand why Zelensky will not accept Putin’s terms. It’s so infuriating.
Crimeans want nothing to do with Ukraine and the people of Donbass want independence.
Who’s going to force them to be part of Ukraine? Even Biden has softened on the territorial part when asked about these terms in the Q&A at the NATO Summit. He said something like it was for the parties to decide and settle. He said nothing about territorial integrity.
All Putin’s terms are reasonable. For this he must be demonized day in and day out? So many Russian soldiers died because Putin has tried to spare the lives of civilian Ukrainians.
Now apparently, the Pentagon agrees that civilians were not deliberately targeted. I wish they’d all come to their senses and realize that Putin just wants security for Russia and what Russian-speaking people in Eastern Ukraine need.
It would spare everyone so much grief and hardship if Zelensky would face reality and concede to the facts on the ground.
It’s enough.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 25 2022 6:18 utc | 289

well, like Gonzalo says below, there’s a gonna be a lot of cold Germans, & without electricity (and industries) the next year or two…. or three…
https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-scholz-rejects-putins-rubles-for-gas-demand/
Germany’s Scholz rejects Putin’s rubles-for-gas demand
Putin’s move is viewed as an attempt to bolster his flagging currency and evade Western sanctions.
https://twitter.com/realGonzaloLira/status/1507224910896279552
Gonzalo Lira @realGonzaloLira
Two facts:
—Germany needs Russian gas for heating and electricity, and has no viable substitute for it.
—Russia has other customers for their gas.
So if Germany won’t pay in rubles, Russia doesn’t have to sell them gas.
Thus Germany goes without lights or heat.
Simple as.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 25 2022 6:18 utc | 290

@Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 6:01 utc | 284
“what else do I say, The Asian century is here???”
It is. “The Asian Century is here” would make an excellent title with which Pepe Escobar might needle the PNAC… 😀

Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 25 2022 6:25 utc | 291

Circe “I do not understand why Zelensky will not accept Putin’s terms. It’s so infuriating.”
Understand that the comedian is nothing more than an actor. H is given his lines and he reads them out in a studio in poland.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 6:25 utc | 292

Steve @ 9
Truth is like a puzzle of connecting dots. That was at least in my case. It does not come from confronting them with one piece of information because mostly likely you will reinforce there original belief. Only necessity or curiosity will make them sit to read or listen to connect the dots themselves. You can pretend you believe the MSM but with skepticism, then ask stupid questions in the hope it will tigger their curiosity.

Posted by: Man | Mar 25 2022 6:31 utc | 293

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 4:22 utc | 271
Australia is about to ace exactly the same problem as Russia, since it seems possible/probable that China will build a naval/military base in the Solomon islands. I am wondering how long it will take for us to invade (or try to invade) the place. o f course almost no one will see the hypocrisy of all this, and we will not face sanctions cos after all we are white.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 25 2022 6:33 utc | 294

Amazing what a totally fallacious assumption of propriety covers for.
Nuke-Proof ‘Doomsday’ Boeing 747 Deployed to UK as Joe Biden Attends NATO Summit in Brussels https://sputniknews.com/20220325/nuke-proof-doomsday-boeing-747-deployed-to-uk-as-joe-biden-attends-nato-summit-in-brussels-1094170818.html
Finland to Send Additional Materiel to Ukraine Amid Russia’s Special Op https://sputniknews.com/20220325/finland-to-send-additional-materiel-to-ukraine-amid-russias-special-op-1094172289.html
For all intents and purposes Finland is at war with Russia. Or as somebody on Twitter said: The goalposts are of the pitch at this point.

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 25 2022 6:45 utc | 295

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 25 2022 4:43 utc | 277
Thanks for your contributions Don. Always most welcome and informative.

Posted by: Paaul | Mar 25 2022 6:56 utc | 296

yep we are whities watcher, masters of the universe until it all ends of course. So many peoples in his world. so many cultures. you are Australian watcher. I am tired.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 6:57 utc | 297

[‘nother] Ukrainian Training Base for Foreign Mercs Destroyed in Iskander Missile Strike – Video[Media is too big, view in Telegram.] https://sputniknews.com/20220325/ukrainian-training-base-for-foreign-mercenaries-destroyed-in-iskander-missile-strike—russian-mod–1094173179.html

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 25 2022 7:01 utc | 298

[Possible 🤭] Erratum @ | Mar 25 2022 6:45 utc | 293
… *off* the pitch …
What’s the score?

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 25 2022 7:07 utc | 299

Yet speaking at a press conference following a summit of the G7 advanced economies in Brussels, Scholz rebuffed Putin’s request.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-scholz-rejects-putins-rubles-for-gas-demand/
Not a “request”, dipshits.

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 25 2022 7:17 utc | 300