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March 16, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-28
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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Western Values: Posted by: Hidari | Mar 16 2022 14:55 utc | 1 Russia preempted this expulsion, and left the Nato friendly platform. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 14:57 utc | 2 Plan A: Fund bio-research in Wuhan & blame the Chinese for the leak. Posted by: Matteo | Mar 16 2022 15:08 utc | 3 Putin: The presence of Russian troops near Kiev and other cities of Ukraine doesn’t mean we are intentioned to occupy the country. We don’t have such a goal. As for the tactics of combat operations developed by the Russian Ministry of Defense, our guys, soldiers and officers show courage and heroism, do everything possible to avoid losses among the civilian population of Ukrainian cities. I want to say this for the first time, at the very beginning of the operation in the Donbass, Kiev authorities were asked through various channels not to engage in hostilities, but simply to withdraw their troops from the region, in order to avoid a senseless bloodshed. Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 15:17 utc | 5 This crackpot has far too much time on his hands, and he definitely has more money than sense if you ask me. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 15:20 utc | 6 The german politico Sahra Wagenknecht: Posted by: Mikkael | Mar 16 2022 15:25 utc | 7 Mikkael at @8 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Mar 16 2022 15:29 utc | 8 no it isnt the same reasoning. Russia is not using wmd’s to destroy a civilian population and a city; it is instead trying to minimize civilian casualties, for one thing. for another, there wasn’t a superpower that took over Japan and was using it to threaten the U.S. you people keep trying to pretend it is just a case of a small helpless Ukraine which is defending itself against a completely unjustified attack. you know that’s bs. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 15:33 utc | 9 His CIA/M16 handlers had Zelensky say, in his speech to the Congress: “You are the leader of the nation. I wish you be the leader of the world,” he sad “Being the leader of the world means being the leader of peace.” Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 16 2022 15:34 utc | 10 Sahra Wagenknecht is NOT a diplomat. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 16 2022 15:35 utc | 11 @Republicofscotland Posted by: Dangling Participle | Mar 16 2022 15:35 utc | 12 Russian forces take out the Nazi stronghold of Avdeevka, which was used to shell the civilians with cluster bombs in the Dontesk region, for the first time in almost nine years the civilians of the region can breathe a sign of relief. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 15:37 utc | 13 Russian President Vladimir Putin has opined that the latest rounds of unprecedented sanctions imposed on Russia by the US and its allies over the Kremlin’s military campaign in Ukraine, mark the end of an era. According to Putin, from now on the West will be losing its “global dominance” both politically and economically. Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 15:37 utc | 14 B>Text → Text
Link to Wikileaks Posted by: argos | Mar 16 2022 15:38 utc | 15 in the U.S. a massive publicity campaign would immediately commence to label Wagenknecht a traitor and a tool of Putin. I hope things are slightly better in Germany. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 15:39 utc | 16
The situation with Japan is different. Japan did try to negotiate. The US wanted an unconditional surrender. Japan wanted an assurance that the Emperor would not be harmed. The US then went ahead and dropped the atomic bombs. Ultimately, unconditional surrender was given, and the Emperor got by unscathed anyway, but it’s not like they just refused to negotiate. Russia isn’t asking for unconditional surrender and regime change, only for Ukrainian neutrality and demilitarization. Posted by: fnord | Mar 16 2022 15:40 utc | 17 Comment section is enormous these days. Sorry if this has been already posted. Posted by: Vajezatha | Mar 16 2022 15:40 utc | 18 The link is not from wikileaks – I used the example from MoA in the wrong way. Sorry . The link is for the Thiagho Rossi, “brazilian baby mercenary” video, Posted by: argos | Mar 16 2022 15:41 utc | 19 It has already been posted. Arestovich is a self styled military expert, and a blogger, and an actor, and somebody who organizes psychological seminars for the military, and charity events, oh and a presidential advisor when he has the time. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 15:44 utc | 20 Nato/EU weapons captured and used against the Nazi’s by the persecuted people of Donbas. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 15:47 utc | 21 Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 15:17 utc | 6 Posted by: Paco | Mar 16 2022 15:56 utc | 22 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 16 2022 15:34 utc | 11 Posted by: WJ | Mar 16 2022 16:00 utc | 23 @ : WJ | Mar 16 2022 16:00 utc | 23… your last sentence is so true… Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 16:01 utc | 24 Naked Capitalism warns, that the world is facing a critical diesel shortage: Posted by: Mikkael | Mar 16 2022 16:01 utc | 25 Zelensky is either stalling for time or Washington is calling the shots. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 16:02 utc | 26 Posted by: fnord | Mar 16 2022 15:40 utc | 17 Posted by: WJ | Mar 16 2022 16:03 utc | 27 @ Paco | Mar 16 2022 15:56 utc | 22 Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 16:07 utc | 28 @ Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 16:02 utc | 26… Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 16:10 utc | 29 Republic of Scotland @ 21 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 16 2022 16:11 utc | 30 interesting position from military expert Igor Korotchenko.. i can’t see ukraine ( ie – usa/nato) accepting this.. Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 16:14 utc | 31 Yes James I agree, did you ever notice the striking resemblance between Barack Obama and Juan Guiado, they must’ve thought because they fooled the US public with Obama as they gave him two-terms as POTUS that the Venezuelan folk would fall into the same trap with Guiado. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 16:18 utc | 32 Oldhippie (30) Expect more to hit the streets of Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 16:20 utc | 33 It’s interesting that before the war Zelensky’s domestic popularity was at an all time low due to his failure to solve any of the pressing domestic economic issues and now he has become the new ‘hero of Ukraine’. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 16 2022 16:21 utc | 34 Based on eyewitness reports, it is clear the missile strike on the foreign mercenary facilities in western Ukraine was extremely precise and devastating. On top of the destruction, the effort to administer a foreign legion and funnel armaments and supplies into the country suffered a massive psychological setback. Posted by: jayc | Mar 16 2022 16:23 utc | 35 @ Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 16:18 utc | 32… funny you mention that! i never thought of it before, but yes – obama and guiado have some similar looks! Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 16:24 utc | 36 Paco @22– Regarding the influx of foreign armaments, to wit, Stingers, Javelins and NLAWs (for starters)….just where have we seen this scenario before? Posted by: WastelandChic | Mar 16 2022 16:26 utc | 38 17 MAR, 04:57 Posted by: Kim | Mar 16 2022 16:26 utc | 39 @ jayc | Mar 16 2022 16:23 utc | 35…. the cia and usa state dept is zelenskys agent and getting all the bookings lined up.. it’s impressive! Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 16:26 utc | 40 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2022 16:20 utc | 33 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 16:32 utc | 41 @ Mikkael | Mar 16 2022 16:01 utc | 25 Posted by: Michael.j | Mar 16 2022 16:38 utc | 42 Those clever Thailand ‘pro democracy’ terrorists are off to save Ukraine. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 16 2022 16:39 utc | 43 Re Sarah Wagenknecht as one of Germany’s sensible MPs… in Canada, the Green party’s Elizabeth May wears that banner often (and not just the pro-Ukraine scarf she’s worn lately.) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 16 2022 16:45 utc | 44 Posted by: Mikkael | Mar 16 2022 15:25 utc | 8 Posted by: Berndt Braincell | Mar 16 2022 16:48 utc | 45 no it isnt the same reasoning. Russia is not using wmd’s to destroy a civilian population and a city; Posted by: Arioch | Mar 16 2022 16:48 utc | 46 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 16 2022 16:24 utc | 37 Posted by: Paco | Mar 16 2022 16:53 utc | 47 A few months back, before the war, some commenters here (including myself) asked why the Russians weren’t doing in Cuba what the Americans were doing in Ukraine, that is, cutting the salami, sending armaments progressively. Yesterday, it hit me. Would the Russians ever do to the Cubans what the Americans are doing to the Ukies? Make them fight to the last Ukie while standing aside and pouring oil into the fire? Of course not. If the Russians had armed the Cubans and Cuba had been attacked as a consequence, they would have felt obligated to go fight side by side with the Cubans, which means nuclear WW3 guaranteed. It is a cruel irony that it is because the Russians have a sense of Honor that they now look like the baddies, having done the only thing they could do. Why has it taken me so long to understand that? Is it because I was raised in a culture where Honor is just a quaint old-fashioned word? Posted by: Robert Macaire | Mar 16 2022 16:54 utc | 48 We’ll have to agree to disagree Arioch, I think civilians were the main target. it’s the doctrine of strategic bombing, which is just terrorism. Dresden was another example of the use of this doctrine. I think there were 2 main reasons–to slaughter lots of civilians, and to intimidate the USSR. The latter reason may have been the most important. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 16:55 utc | 49 This is bordering on an official declaration of World War lll
RT CrossTalk, March 15, 2022 ‘Ukraine’s Uncertain Future’
“Ukraine is but a footnote.” Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 16 2022 17:02 utc | 50 This takes the biscuit. A hobby company stops selling fantasy miniatures to Russians. Just wonder if the Department for Trade in the UK is contacting all large companies “encouraging” this kind of bullshit? Posted by: Mongo | Mar 16 2022 17:04 utc | 51 Taking my daily anti depression pill with Gonzalo: Posted by: njet | Mar 16 2022 17:04 utc | 52 @Karlof1 Posted by: Paco | Mar 16 2022 17:05 utc | 53 Former top Pentagon advisor Col. Doug Macgregor on Russia-Ukraine war (The Grayzone YouTube channel, March 15, 2022) Posted by: S | Mar 16 2022 17:08 utc | 54 I think putin has a valid point here. Posted by: Kim | Mar 16 2022 17:09 utc | 55 @jayc | Mar 16 2022 16:23 utc | 35
I forgot who it was (Petri Krohn?), but someone mentioned that one of the missiles hit exactly the spot where a 3d camera was located in Google Maps. Clearly, it was a message showing the extreme precision of the Kalibr missile, presumably launched from hundreds of kilometers away. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 16 2022 17:10 utc | 56 I am much impressed by the diesel shortages reports. The West is in such a pathetic mindless state that every rational observer must be looking east. Can someone keep a list of the names of these sanctions advocates, for posterity that is. We sure dont want them harmed right now. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 16 2022 17:11 utc | 57 @Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 16 2022 16:45 utc | 44 At the Saker is a good Explainer on Russia’s ForEx Reserves, where are they located?
Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 16 2022 17:18 utc | 60 @50 The senators probably have their eye on Putin’s yacht…..which may not actually be Putin’s. Posted by: dh | Mar 16 2022 17:31 utc | 61 Regarding all the captured missiles…. Posted by: A.L. | Mar 16 2022 17:42 utc | 62 Paco @53– While I’m on YouTube… here’s four and a half minutes of CBC’s coverage of BoJo arriving in the UAE a few hours ago. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 16 2022 17:43 utc | 64 dh @61– @65 Trouble is the senators won’t see it as theft. They call it ‘asset seizure’ and the proceeds will go towards ‘humanitarian assistance’. But they can’t fool us. Posted by: dh | Mar 16 2022 17:57 utc | 66 Posted by: dh | Mar 16 2022 17:57 utc | 66 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 18:01 utc | 67 @njet | Mar 16 2022 17:04 utc | 52
Really, really interesting. He has a great point regarding the missiles that were launched from Russian territory all across Ukraine, but NATO didn’t see them and no warning was issued. That is an added twist to the extreme precision. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 16 2022 18:02 utc | 68 17 MAR, 06:36 Posted by: Kim | Mar 16 2022 18:03 utc | 69 So in the last two days, Zelensky has addressed the Canadian parliament, the US Congress and met with three visiting PMs from bordering nations. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Mar 16 2022 18:05 utc | 70 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 16 2022 18:02 utc | 68 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 18:11 utc | 71 More insight from Putin. Posted by: Kim | Mar 16 2022 18:15 utc | 72 @ dh 61 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 16 2022 18:17 utc | 73 How many times has she been voted hardest working parliamentarian now?? Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 16 2022 18:19 utc | 74 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 16:55 utc | 49 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 16 2022 18:24 utc | 75 @pretzelattack | Mar 16 2022 18:11 utc | 71
I agree with that. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 16 2022 18:26 utc | 76 From todays rt So Russia is giving up on denazification? Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 16 2022 18:28 utc | 77 Russia should pass legislation that lets it pay its bond coupons with calling rights against its assets held in foreign banks. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Mar 16 2022 18:29 utc | 78 (And how are things going with working out those remaining kinks in the UK-EU divorce, anyhow?) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 16 2022 18:49 utc | 79 If someday your surviving children ask you, what did you do to try to prevent World War 3, what will you tell them? https://bruceohara.substack.com/p/a-bifurcated-world Posted by: Bruce O'Hara | Mar 16 2022 18:51 utc | 80 Scott Ritter discusses NATO’s Article IV, and what he thinks might happen when the volume of refugees exceeds the ability of countries to which they’re going to accomodate them – in particular, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia in particular. Posted by: ptb | Mar 16 2022 18:53 utc | 81 oh here’s the actual Scott Ritter link Posted by: ptb | Mar 16 2022 18:54 utc | 82 I mean, Pierre Poilievre taking on WE charity’s Kielburger brothers was worth it for me. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 16 2022 18:59 utc | 83 Poland is completely overwhelmed with refugees. Not sure where that will lead. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 16 2022 19:01 utc | 84 @ Calgary Guy 77
(emphasis added) Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 16 2022 19:10 utc | 85 GoogleTranslate – beginning of long interview of RF finance minister: Posted by: JB | Mar 16 2022 19:14 utc | 86 Putin has delivered a speech to Russia enlisting one and all into the greatest Challege Russia has faced since the Great Patriotic War. I posted the speech as its transcript slowly emerged onto today’s other thread, but it can also be read here without those breaks with my emphasis and short intro about its gravity. For those able to access the Kremlin’s website, here’s the link to the Russian transcript and video. Thread by John Hudson on Twitter Posted by: too scents | Mar 16 2022 19:34 utc | 88 German electric utility reveals Nord Stream 2 plans
Not to be overlooked….sanctions are for domestic consumption on main street. Many ways to work-around or outright, ignore. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 16 2022 19:37 utc | 89 Still getting up to speed here. Went through the Saker’s stuff, followed a bunch of links, etc. Posted by: Tom Herrera | Mar 16 2022 19:42 utc | 90 Posted by: Vajezatha | Mar 16 2022 15:40 utc | 18 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 16 2022 19:43 utc | 91 Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 16 2022 Posted by: Kim | Mar 16 2022 19:45 utc | 92 Tigray war has seen up to half a million dead from violence and starvation Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 16 2022 19:51 utc | 93 I think about all people calling Selensky a puppet. He is – but then again, he is not. Posted by: Martina | Mar 16 2022 19:57 utc | 94 Posted by: james | Mar 16 2022 16:14 utc | 31 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 16 2022 20:01 utc | 95 I know that there is no interest here in the legal aspects of the Russian action in Ukraine, which are very important and interesting, but it is necessary to know that the International Court of Justice (ICJ) has issued an order that Russia stop its military operation. Posted by: JB | Mar 16 2022 20:02 utc | 96 “Azov” reportedly hoarded what hostages they still had into Mariupol City Theatre and blasted it on air. Posted by: Arioch | Mar 16 2022 20:06 utc | 97 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 16 2022 17:02 utc | 50 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 16 2022 20:09 utc | 98 someone pls explain what it means for Biden to send onr billion in ‘aid’ to Ukraine. does that mean sending old weapons, after which the Pentagon is restocked with new weapons, in which case the aid is just a new purchase of weapons from the MIC? Posted by: mastameta | Mar 16 2022 20:16 utc | 99 Tulsi Gabbard, said: Stop the war, there is serious danger for *everyone* in the world because of biolabs storing pathogens in the war zone that needs to be taken care of right now. Posted by: Samie | Mar 16 2022 20:17 utc | 100 |
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