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March 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-26
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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OK, that’s interesting. How would this collateral be necessary, for example in a trade where Russia sells oil to a Western company? Would a bank in fact demand collerateral to issue a letter of credit? Could you describe this in more detail? Posted by: K | Mar 14 2022 2:20 utc | 201 Map of developing “Cauldron” surrounding the bulk of the Ukrainian army in western Donbas: Posted by: PJB | Mar 14 2022 2:25 utc | 202 I’m going to stop going off about J St Clair at CP, but i did a quick search of his weekend column since the 1/1/22. One comparison of Elon Musk to Nazis for animal torture, along with a routine, recurring notice of some kind that the US is recruiting Nazis, then suddenly, on Feb 25, and following: Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 14 2022 2:25 utc | 203 james | Mar 14 2022 2:13 utc | 198 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 14 2022 2:30 utc | 204 Posted by: rjb1.5 | March 14, 2022 at 02:25 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 14 2022 2:30 utc | 205 Good sign of common sense coming from influential people in the US – just saw the appearance of professor Jeffrey Sachs in BBC (I get it on Dish TV in the USA) – who was extremely eloquent about the absolute need for Ukraine to be neutral, because NATO membership would be unacceptable danger to Russia. He started off with listing the three clear demands Russia has made in mid-December 2021. He repeated again and again – “just look at the map” – and he mentioned also that many public figures in America have been warning about the NATO expansion as very provocative to Russia and added that those opinions were not heeded by G.W. Bush in 2008. He was critical of the American arrogance that they can put themselves anywhere in the world and claim that spot. (I am paraphrasing in the last sentence). Posted by: bystander 04 | Mar 14 2022 2:36 utc | 206 Posted by: james | Mar 14 2022 2:13 utc | 198 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 2:42 utc | 207 @ WastelandChic 199 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 2:42 utc | 208 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 14 2022 2:30 utc | 205 Posted by: WJ | Mar 14 2022 2:45 utc | 209 The link to “Worlds Apart” Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 14 2022 2:58 utc | 210 @ Ben 200 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 3:02 utc | 211 @ the pessimist 210 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 3:12 utc | 212 @ Greg Galloway | Mar 14 2022 2:30 utc | 204 Posted by: james | Mar 14 2022 3:14 utc | 213 to Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 1:59 utc | 194 Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 14 2022 3:15 utc | 214 I mentioned this before, but here are some maps: Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 14 2022 3:19 utc | 215 @ the pessimist 210 and Don Bacon 212 about Russia/China relationship Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2022 3:27 utc | 216 @ Keith McClary 215 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 3:33 utc | 217 Gilbert Doctorow has returned to his habit of “concern trolling” in this article over at Antiwar.com: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 3:37 utc | 218 @psychohistorian 216 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 3:40 utc | 219 Milo’s (45). It would help if you got the name right ! Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 14 2022 3:40 utc | 220 news report on Ukraine: Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 3:50 utc | 221 @ 218 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 4:01 utc | 222 Vietnam was labeled a “think tank war” by some inside the Pentagram. Rand is at it again. Posted by: circumspect | Mar 14 2022 4:22 utc | 223 Haven’t any Western leaders mouthing threats of a no fly zone ever heard of the Russian family of SAMs like the S-400? One of which I gather shot down a Ukie jet fighter about 150 miles away from where it was stationed. How is NATO going to set up a no fly zone if their fighter jets cannot cross over into Ukraine without getting shot down? What makes them think the Russians will not challenge any incursion? Posted by: Erelis | Mar 14 2022 4:23 utc | 224 @170 Maximus: hey you don’t have to be that abrasive, I am no troll; I just truly hate Trudeau, Freeland and most of the American politicians. Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 14 2022 4:23 utc | 225 WJ #2
EU inherits the chickens on their way home to roost Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 14 2022 4:24 utc | 226 @ 218 and 222 Posted by: K | Mar 14 2022 4:25 utc | 227 JB #202
The Ukrainian army units are each commanded by a fascist trusty of Azov pedigree. The only way they can surrender is to terminate the commanding officers before they are terminated for surrendering. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 14 2022 4:31 utc | 228 ACHTUNG – The Empire’s THOUGHT POLICE is on the prowl Posted by: curious | Mar 14 2022 4:31 utc | 229 @ 223 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 4:34 utc | 230 curious @229– Don Bacon #219 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 14 2022 5:06 utc | 232 curious #229 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 14 2022 5:10 utc | 233 Indian punch line has very positive looking article. I like his take on this. I also like his opinion about that smug Sullivan “Sullivan’s gone overboard – yet, he’s intelligent man. Either he expects ridicule/ rebuke at Rome or is addressing domestic audience showing boss’s gutsy. But if as Sullivan expects, Biden can truly make China US’ subaltern, he’ll be creating history?” Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 14 2022 5:12 utc | 234 rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:27 utc | 125
You don’t. Seriously, consider the source.
I’m sure if I were inclined to keep looking, I’d find even more examples mean-girl mind-reading, gossip, and mythology passing as history. Posted by: Kukulkan | Mar 14 2022 5:34 utc | 235 Not many here are remembering Russia’s experience with the Chechen wars from 1999 to 2009 which was the final end of the insurgency phase. The Chechen capital Grozny was razed to the ground in the initial conflict and the whole country was a complete mess. Chechen terrorists were supported by the CIA, just like the Ukrainian Nazis – with the same objective which was to destroy Russia. Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 14 2022 6:23 utc | 236 Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 14 2022 6:23 utc | 236 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 6:39 utc | 237 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 4:01 utc | 222 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 6:49 utc | 238 All supply chains begin and end with energy.
Who would have thought that mining was hugely dependent upon energy inputs? Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2022 6:57 utc | 239 Just read the Russian MoD latest update. They claim 1,267 tanks and other armored vehicles destroyed. According to one article I read, out of the 6,500 tanks Ukraine allegedly has, they had about 2,500 operational. The Guardian claims only 57 tanks destroyed so far. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 6:58 utc | 240 The Guardian … Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 6:58 utc | 240 Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2022 7:03 utc | 241 Interesting the framing, people are talking about, and complaining about the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. But no one is talking about the de facto American invasion of the Ukraine. But the US has invaded the Ukraine to all intents and purposes. A pro-US coup in 2014, brought the country under US control. Since then the Ukrainian army has been under US control and it’s obvious that ‘all power flows from the barrel of a gun’. Without an independent army, how can the Ukraine be an independent country? Posted by: Hidari | Mar 14 2022 7:05 utc | 242 it now becomes even more bizarre. Posted by: Paul | Mar 14 2022 7:08 utc | 243 interesting, commentators have pointed out that Jeffrey St. Clair and Pat Lang suddenly became much more strident in support of Ukraine near the end of February. sounds like an email went out. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 14 2022 7:09 utc | 244 This thread and the contained article need to be read (to be believed, but also to be understood) if you want to know what some in the quisling Chinese ‘elite’ are saying. Posted by: Hidari | Mar 14 2022 7:10 utc | 245 The only way they can surrender is to terminate the commanding officers before they are terminated for surrendering. Posted by: A.L. | Mar 14 2022 7:16 utc | 246 @Oh | Mar 14 2022 1:18 utc | 184
So they want to change the climate instead of addressing the real crisis in the west created by western politicians related to Ukraine? That sounds like the standard psyop. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2022 7:20 utc | 247 @Paul | Mar 14 2022 7:08 utc | 243 Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 14 2022 7:25 utc | 248 A brutal political cartoon illustrates the Global Times article headlined US fans flames with more weapons to Ukraine as Russia, Ukraine, Europe ramp up diplomatic efforts.
Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2022 7:30 utc | 249 @ Hidari | Mar 14 2022 7:10 utc | 245 Posted by: ak74 | Mar 14 2022 7:36 utc | 250 @Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 3:12 utc | 212
It is not ‘a China guy’ it is Yang Jiechi, director of China’s Central Foreign Affairs Commission. Sullivan met him in Anchorage one year ago, and was told then that “The US is not in a position to talk to China from a position of strength”. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2022 7:44 utc | 251 There’s a lot of stuff going on. I tried to take some of the best and most accurate articles and summarized them all in an article. Organized to inform, rather than to influence. Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Mar 14 2022 8:14 utc | 252 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2022 7:44 utc | 251 — It is not ‘a China guy’ it is Yang Jiechi, director of China’s Central Foreign Affairs Commission. Sullivan met him in Anchorage one year ago, and was told then that “The US is not in a position to talk to China from a position of strength”. Posted by: kiwiklown | Mar 14 2022 8:26 utc | 253 Think in terms of 5-10 years to replace Russian oil. Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 9:30 utc | 254 pretzelattack | Mar 14 2022 7:09 utc | 244 Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 14 2022 9:34 utc | 255 If this is true, questions need to be asked as to whether Putin will address the presence of *powerful* neo-NAZI groups within Russia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 14 2022 9:43 utc | 256 “Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 14 2022 3:19 utc | 215” Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 9:44 utc | 257 “Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 14 2022 9:43 utc | 256” Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 9:54 utc | 258 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 9:54 utc | 258 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 10:08 utc | 259 Maybe this has already been said but it apparently it is easy to weed out the Azovs as they have tattoos as part of their induction. Posted by: Oh | Mar 14 2022 10:13 utc | 260 the Paul Craig Roberts piece is excellent. I know of no refutation for the validity of his proposals, which are utterly surprising since they are so paradigm breaking. Posted by: mastameta | Mar 14 2022 10:21 utc | 261 Posted by: mastameta | Mar 14 2022 10:21 utc | 261 Posted by: Boo | Mar 14 2022 10:28 utc | 262 Tochka-U strike, supposedly intercepted on course to Donetsk, still managed to kill a bunch of civilians in traffic this morning. Final body count not currently available afaik, but supposedly a major catastrophe was averted by a “minor” one. Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 14 2022 10:33 utc | 263 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 9:54 utc | 258 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 14 2022 10:35 utc | 264 Fortunately, as an individualist anarchist Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 14 2022 10:36 utc | 265 Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 14 2022 10:33 utc | 263 Posted by: Boo | Mar 14 2022 10:39 utc | 266 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 10:08 utc | 259 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 14 2022 10:40 utc | 267 Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2022 10:41 utc | 268 I am not trying to sound like “concerning troll”, but i really don’t understand how Ukraine still shelling and bombing Donbas after 3 weeks of military intervention? Area around Donetsk is not some mountains where they can dug in, is there any reasonable explanation why Ukraine’s artillery around there is not eliminated so far? Posted by: denazi | Mar 14 2022 10:42 utc | 269 Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 14 2022 10:33 utc | 263 Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2022 10:43 utc | 270 Posted by: denazi | Mar 14 2022 10:42 utc | 269 Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2022 10:53 utc | 271 Posted by: denazi | Mar 14 2022 10:42 utc | 269 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 10:56 utc | 272 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 14 2022 10:40 utc | 267 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 14 2022 11:00 utc | 273 In response to Boo@266, Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 14 2022 11:09 utc | 274 Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 14 2022 7:25 utc | 248 Posted by: Paul | Mar 14 2022 11:09 utc | 275 Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 14 2022 6:23 utc | 236 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 14 2022 11:11 utc | 276 Posted by: mastameta | Mar 14 2022 10:21 utc | 261 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 11:16 utc | 277 Doctorov’s concern trolling. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 14 2022 11:22 utc | 278 denazi | Mar 14 2022 10:42 utc | 269 Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 14 2022 11:25 utc | 279 No true anarchist would ever convince themselves that the right to freedom from others’ regulation/interference could ever entitle them to shock, scare and terrify minimum wage workers especially not female minimum wage bank workers, into emptying their cash drawers and handing over the contents to some weak as piss, greed driven arsehole who threatens them at gunpoint. That is the antithesis of anarchy. Unless the claim of anarchy is just a pose to give yerself permission to treat all of those ‘lesser humans’ the faux anarchist holds in contempt while he/she looks after number one at everyone else’s expense. Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 14 2022 11:36 utc | 280 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 14 2022 11:22 utc | 278 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 11:52 utc | 281 Ukrainian terrorists fired at the center of Donetsk from the Tochka-U complex, at least 23 dead, including children. The authorities of the republic qualified the incident as a terrorist attack. I have been cut off from RT and Sputnik. Any idea how to get access? Posted by: Theophilus | Mar 14 2022 12:21 utc | 283 Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 14 2022 9:34 utc | 255 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 14 2022 12:23 utc | 284 @ Don Bacon # 180 Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 14 2022 12:24 utc | 285 Posted by: denazi | Mar 14 2022 10:42 utc | 269 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 14 2022 12:28 utc | 286 Has anyone heard more about that missile strike on the NATO training base in Ukraine. I heard that the 35 dead was closer to 118, and that some of the dead were NATO special forces that were being snuck into Ukraine using the foreign mercenary program as a cover. I saw on Twitter “”there were soldiers from all over the world, even soldiers from the special forces of different countries. the missile ended everything, the entire Ukrainian foreign legion was exterminated””. given how the US responded to the attack it certainly looks like they were trying to smuggle something more significant into the warzone that just a bunch of glory-seeking adventurers Posted by: Kadath | Mar 14 2022 12:30 utc | 287 I fear that monstrous russian dictatorship going to attack the free world with bioweapons it seized in unexisting Pentagon funded humanitarian Ukrainian biolabs. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 14 2022 12:37 utc | 288 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 6:49 utc | 238 Posted by: migueljose | Mar 14 2022 13:04 utc | 289 Posted by: Gerasimov | Mar 14 2022 13:04 utc | 290 Posted by: Theophilus | Mar 14 2022 12:21 utc | 283 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 13:04 utc | 291 Russian Su-25SM3 managed to return to base after being hit with a portable surface-to-air missile: video. Posted by: S | Mar 14 2022 13:07 utc | 292 if it’s the daily mail, the presumption is it is fake news. right now one of the main propaganda themes concerns the alleged failures by the Russian military in Iraq, and the heroic accomplishments of the Nazis in resisting them. I believe in this as readily as I believe in those “humanitarian Ukrainian biolabs” (nice sarcasm by Greg Galloway). Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 14 2022 13:11 utc | 293 So the Ukis keep attacking Donbas out of desperation, even when under siege, or what is the explanation? And, as Doctorov pointed out in one of his posts, the Russian TV can then use this footage to show the Ukis are savages? Just trying to connect the dots. Posted by: Jonathan W | Mar 14 2022 13:14 utc | 294 @Theophilus #283 Posted by: S | Mar 14 2022 13:18 utc | 295 Theophilus | Mar 14 2022 12:21 utc | 283
These are the current settings I use to access the web pages shown above. You can add your own as you please. It just has to be the right data. Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 14 2022 13:19 utc | 296 Greg Galloway | Mar 14 2022 12:37 utc | 288 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 14 2022 13:21 utc | 297 Get your own Azov Nazi T-Shirt and mug from Amazon (not a joke). Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2022 13:22 utc | 298 I’m not going to pretend to be an authority on the subject but here is what I’m observing: Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Mar 14 2022 13:37 utc | 299 Re: Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 18:29 utc | 52 Posted by: Julian | Mar 14 2022 13:39 utc | 300 |
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