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March 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-26

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

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Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:32 utc | 96
What universe are *you* living in? If you get to choose between 300 billion dollars frozen in Western banks and 300 billion dollars worth of iron ore and copper stored in your country (or whatever else that’s tangible and of value, in case you didn’t really didn’t get that after I explained it several times already), which do you choose? Ever heard of strategic stockpiles? You think iron ore and copper gets bad if you don’t use it right away?
If you have 300,000 dollars in your checking account, and the bank tells you that in a week from now we’re just going to take it from you, would you just keep it in there since you can’t immediately think of what exactly to spend it on or where to transfer it? I have to say I can’t believe people would be so stupid as not to see this obvious point right away.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 20:38 utc | 101

@rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 88

the people, like Norwegian, who live in a constant state of denial that anything could interrupt their capitalist fairy tales. stuff like the laws of physics.

Don’t show yourself like an idiot, you have better things to do. You are projecting something from your own mind. All you achieve with such drivel is to discredit yourself. “capitalist fairy tales” LOL??

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 20:39 utc | 102

Historical European borders for the past 2400 years, a great sound track too…
https://youtu.be/UY9P0QSxlnI
Interesting to see the “blip” that is modern Ukraine.
It also makes total fools of those who proclaimed “the end of history” after the Berlin Wall came down.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 13 2022 20:43 utc | 103

Kim | Mar 13 2022 20:27 utc | 95
Tomorrow might be quite a busy day. If they include the Baltics as part of the problem, (for the ships) this is going to get really tight very soon.
The Med is the other alternative.
*****
PS. yesterday I missed that the 81 executed by MbS in Saudi Arabia were Shiites. Talks with Iran are probably now out the window.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 20:43 utc | 104

@ Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:37 utc | 100
that’s fine! i don’t think of it as superstition myself, but i’m also not interested in trying to change anyone’s mind about any of this either..
@ Unnamed … pardon me for simplifying your ongoing viewpoint here… re the 300 billion.. “basically putin is an idiot and anyone who supports him is an idiot”.. do i have that right?

Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 20:51 utc | 105

too scents (87).
However if you’re Russian you’d better flee for your life, as they steal everything from you.
The West has gone mad.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 13 2022 20:52 utc | 106

So…. Zelensky publishes a video of himself, supposedly visiting a hospital today. Only problem is that he is accompanied in the video by a woman who died 26. February! Is he trying to prove everything is fake and he perhaps has left Ukraine?
https://t.me/intelslava/22261

Zelensky published a video in which he allegedly visited a hospital with wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine today.
But on the footage, a physician, Inna Derusova, was seen, who died on February 26. The death of the woman was confirmed by her relatives. Then Zelensky himself awarded her the title of Hero of Ukraine posthumously.
It turns out that the published video of the meeting of the President of Ukraine with wounded soldiers on March 13 is a fake. The video was recorded back in February, before the death of Inna Derusova.
Earlier, many media outlets wrote that Zelensky left Ukraine a long time ago, and all videos with him and recordings allegedly from Kyiv were made in advance.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 20:59 utc | 107

Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:37 utc | 100
“I’m not into superstition – fire power and strategy seem to trump that… no offence intended james.”
Peter, You might not be, but others do use esoteric dates and numerology. (Hitler and the WEF spring to mind). I am not going to get cut up if nothing happens, but coincidences are a fun fact of life.
Tomorrow the 14th. possibilities; As Kim says, start of major exercises by NATO, and (possible) end of use of the dollar by China. IF the US now is trying to “command” China, “go back to being a lapdog”, and the Chinese reply that the US money is no longer paramount and not to be used, this adds another dimension to the seizure of the Russian financial assets earlier in the thread.
***
As someone remarked on ZH, commodities (oil, minerals, food etc) are the new base of “money”. I don’t know whether you can buy guns with a bushel of wheat yet, but we will find out soon enough. (Sanctions => siege warfare => have you got enough food and water? We will probably not have to eat our dogs and cats yet, but cats taste like rabbits and the Chinese do a delicacy with dogs) oops…. pardon, going off on a side track…..down FootTrot Flats.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 21:08 utc | 108

Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 20:39 utc | 102
i’m not misstating your oft repeated positions on global warming or the coronavirus. fake, fake and fake. didn’t somebody point out to you earlier how many people died from heat in British Columbia this last summer?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 21:19 utc | 109

rjb1.5 @109. I could be wrong. I don’t see Norwegian as a covid denier. When he says fake he means the collective Rheeeeeeeeee that was pushed upon us, at least in the west, the death rate has more to do with abdication of responsibility by medical professionals, and their higher ups who claimed NO TREATMENT till we get a vax, which we all know by now was complete horseshit. As to global warming, does it not seem odd that carbon reducing tech sits on the shelf and all our leaders seem to be able to do is take rights away and levy more taxes, while making us afraid for our grandchildren?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 13 2022 21:33 utc | 110

psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 90
Will the Plato’s Cave Display breathers come out and engage with other than top/bottom aka God of Mammon humans?
Plato knew that what people call “money” and use as a store of value is a mere trick of the light. Gold is valuable because of its beauty, nothing else, certainly not because it is “rare”. what is the value of the animal who can be tricked by such childish things? they become slaves over it, and worse. they bring forth fire from the earth.
Job 28 NRSV
Surely there is a mine for silver,
and a place for gold to be refined.
2 Iron is taken out of the earth,
and copper is smelted from ore.
3 Miners put an end to darkness,
and search out to the farthest bound
the ore in gloom and deep darkness.
4 They open shafts in a valley away from human habitation;
they are forgotten by travelers,
they sway suspended, remote from people.
5 As for the earth, out of it comes bread;
but underneath it is turned up as by fire.
6 Its stones are the place of sapphires,
and its dust contains gold.
7 “That path no bird of prey knows,
and the falcon’s eye has not seen it.
8 The proud wild animals have not trodden it;
the lion has not passed over it.
9 “They put their hand to the flinty rock,
and overturn mountains by the roots.
10 They cut out channels in the rocks,
and their eyes see every precious thing.
11 The sources of the rivers they probe;
hidden things they bring to light.
12 “But where shall wisdom be found? etc

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 21:35 utc | 111

@ Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 13 2022 21:33 utc | 110
Oh, my, you were paying attention…. you noticed.
Can’t have none of that.

Posted by: majoab | Mar 13 2022 21:36 utc | 112

Yemen…. dream on….
https://t.me/rogers_kitchen/3694

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 21:38 utc | 113

@rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 21:19 utc | 109

i’m not misstating your oft repeated positions on global warming or the coronavirus.

And in your head this somehow becomes “capitalist fairy tales”. Good luck with that ‘argument’.

didn’t somebody point out to you earlier how many people died from heat in British Columbia this last summer?

How many people died from heat in British Columbia this last summer? And what has this to do with anything. Have you never participated in a debate about Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming “Climate Change” and been told the difference between climate and weather? How come people survive in India when they die from heat in British Columbia? If you want to argue something at least it should be vaguely coherent and have a plausible cause/effect relation.
And by the way, this is an open thread about Ukraine, so why not cut it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 21:45 utc | 114

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 20:34 utc | 97
Probably IA speech, nothing to worry about …

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 13 2022 21:46 utc | 115

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 16:14 utc | 9
“…posits the question, under the financial war being inflicted why should anyone think their property is safe, bank accounts, houses taken without due process?”
If people have been paying attention they might have noticed what happened in Canada re: truckers convoy.
But of course they were just ‘anti-vaxxers’ and not worthy of consideration by the ‘it won’t happen to me’ mob.

Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 21:50 utc | 116

Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 21:08 utc | 108
I have quite a bit of respect for you, james and many others here who at times I may disagree with. I await the future. In the meantime there is an annoying little yapping dog next door that may provide a source of tucker. There are also many cats in the neighborhood. I dunno about meals on wheels but there are plenty of meals on legs.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 21:52 utc | 117

Peter AU1 @89–
Your saying Russia has dropped the concept of indivisible security? Can you point to when or who?

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 22:00 utc | 118

Here’s an item on soaring nickel prices, but no mention of market rigging and such. We’ll know if it’s as bad as it seems if the US Treasury stops minting the nickel coin, which is now worth more than the dollar coin metallically.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 22:06 utc | 119

My modest take on the ideological motivations behind this war.
What’s happening right now is the single most horrifying thing I have ever seen. It’s even worse than the Islamophobia after the Sept. 11 attacks. That was wrong, but at least there was a reasonable provocation for it. We had been directly attacked, and in a terrible way. It was natural for us to feel angry, and would have been weird if we didn’t. But why now? Why are Americans feeling this overwhelming, burning rage and bloodlust over a regional border dispute on the other side of the world? Only one in six Americans can find Ukraine on a map. I’m not sure all Americans could even find Russia on a map.
This is the first time in my life I have watched the Russians fight a protracted conventional war, and I have immersed myself in both sides of the story, not just ours. At the same time, I have watched almost every person I have ever known explode into a fit of irrational rage and russophobia, and completely overnight.
Why do we compulsively travel to the other side of the world to pick fights with Russia? And when Russia gets into fights of her own, why do we always take the other side, even when the other side is evil? And why is the other side always evil? Not sometimes evil. Always evil. Our allies against Russia are always nazis, terrorists, religious extremists, and drug dealers. There is not even one exception to this rule.
Here’s the bottom line: Russia poses a persistent existential and ideological threat to the West. Here’s my best attempt at an explanation of that threat.
https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/13/i-finally-understand-why-we-hate-russia/

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Mar 13 2022 22:08 utc | 120

Russian ambassador cancelled at Australia’s National Press Club. Disturbing comparisons and implications for free speech.
https://johnmenadue.com/what-has-gone-wrong-with-australian-journalisms-commitment-to-free-speech/

Posted by: Paul | Mar 13 2022 22:15 utc | 121

Frothing rage and Russophobia is right.
Even reasonably pragmatic people like Patrick Lang and his bloggers @ Turcopolier have now fallen to become a seething pit of deranged Russophobes. I can no longer read the garbage being posted there.

Posted by: Peter | Mar 13 2022 22:17 utc | 122

This looks realistic –
US ‘journalist’ killed in Irpin

Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:19 utc | 123

cindy6 | Mar 13 2022 20:02 utc | 83
I agree. As CBs rollout digital currencies, Bitcoin and cousins will be offed.
@  psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 90
The ZH posting I read says the US is meeting with China to get China to be the mediator in the Russia/Ukraine situation.
The link at NP cited Reuters and that sanctions threat of “severe consequences for China” was today in an interview on CNN and carried by FoxNews, NewsWeek, The Guardian, Barron’s and the South China Morning Post (SCMP).
Oh and the West has it that “Russia has asked China for military equipment and other assistance” to support their invasion of Ukraine.

The US can’t be asking China to mediate and then threaten “severe consequences “ at the same breath. Dumbwitts.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 22:27 utc | 124

how do you respond to someone who says, “but there are 5 times as many Nazis in Russia as in Ukraine”? This was part of counterpunch editor J St Claire’s reply, to an email I wrote to him about his chest thumping that if he were in Kiev, he’d be rolling flaming tires toward Rooskie tanks. (my opinions mean less than my money, so a threat not to support and to advise others not to support CP is not that much of a threat.)
I quote: “There are about 5 x as many Nazis in Russia as Ukraine.”
so Putin is our Franco and Hitler wannabe? but J St C claims he is arguing for a ceasefire? contradict self much? if what he says is true, many a person might feel duty-bound to oppose the latest Hitler. the recruitment of “volunteer” soldiers, seems rather justified in his view, rather that what is: a blatant war crime?
again, as I said to him, we are talking about the same people who, as i type, are recruiting the most vile trash to fight in Ukraine, as they did in Syria, Afghanistan, etc., etc..
Russia is not doing that.
but there are 5 times as many nazis in Russia as Ukraine…vomit.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:27 utc | 125

Posted by: Paco | Mar 13 2022 17:15 utc | 33
“Nolan Peterson
@nolanwpeterson
·
8h
An important note: this American is a special ops veteran who completed combat deployments to Afghanistan. He came to Ukraine before Russia’s full-scale war on Feb. 24. He is an experienced, well-trained soldier who gave up his lucrative career in the US in order to help Ukraine.”
Only days ago they were so full of bravado & bombast….

Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:29 utc | 126

Posted by: Kim | Mar 13 2022 17:15 utc | 34
“…New York Times correspondent press card.”
According to the New York Times he last worked there in 2015.
NYT = credibility.

Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:36 utc | 127

I wonder if that Canadian sniper is dead in Ukraine? I’d like to date his widowed wife and give her a good spanking.
Good riddance to all those western backed mercenary terrorists. They are providing free fertilizer for Ukraine.

Posted by: Luvluv | Mar 13 2022 22:41 utc | 128

karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 22:00 utc | 118
In Antalya, march 10, Lavrov hasn’t changed his mind:
“ As for our proposals made on December 15, 2021, they were extremely serious. These are proposals to build a security system, and not some new system, but to put into practice what has been agreed more than once at the highest political level, including the OSCE summits in Istanbul in 1999 and in Astana in 2010, where it is written in black and white that each country has the right to choose its alliances, but no one has the right to strengthen his own security at the expense of the security of others. This formula was agreed in the complex. This was the pinnacle of diplomacy. It was a decision signed by the leaders of Russia and our neighbors, and (pardon the indiscretion) of the free world. No state, group of countries, organization in the European space has the right to claim a dominant role, as NATO is doing now in flagrant violation of all the obligations of its member states. “
https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1803752/

Posted by: FZappa | Mar 13 2022 22:43 utc | 129

i also got into a heated argument w/some of the Trostkyites at wsws. you know those commies love love love their statements and declarations summarizing their meetings. I insisted 1st that we unequivocally assert Russia’s right of self-defense. Well, they weren’t buying any of that. Then I suggested that the meeting declaration simply assert the universal right of self-defense, without specific reference to Russia and Ukraine or any other conflict.
nope. can’t have that either.
now why is that? for one, a person doesn’t need the Socialist Equality Party in order to exercise their universal right of self-defense. the SEP (vel sim) can’t allow anyone to think that way, because the party is the only answer, to everything. the answer to every problem, from dyslexia to obesity to AIDS to getting a decent pizza is to join and support the SEP.
but they haven’t factored into their plans for revolution a simple fact: Americans live on pop tarts and mountain dew. mounting the barricades is a challenge when one can’t get out of the wheelchair or when dealing w/the “meth itch”. who are these people claiming to represent the working class who don’t recognize how physically diseased the working class is, esp in the US?
they represent the platonic form of the working class, not the actual working class. that’s why.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:44 utc | 130

rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:44 utc | 130
sorry, meant to conclude that because peeps like those of the SEP at wsws.org refuse to look at the conflict from the perspective of “boots on the ground,” they have nothing to say about the conflict. their perspective is pure idealism, so it’s irrelevant. “build the international working class” in theory sounds great, but there are particular parties doing certain things on the ground in combat.
“build the international working class” in this context is the equivalent of saying, “do nothing.”

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:53 utc | 131

As I said before ,I don’t see how this ends. Russia may achieve military victory but that does not eliminate the resistance on the ground which can drag on endlessly. The conflict also does not stop after the military stage. The US is a major instigator and has no objections about Russia and Europe destroying each other economically. They will try to keep the conflict alive and who says they can avoid it from getting out of hand. The press is entirely partisan and not interested in cooling the conflict. A good measure of that is to what extent they dismiss any Ukranian claim instantly.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 13 2022 22:54 utc | 132

Comments? Criticisms? Expansions? Corrections?
Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40

To split Ukraine like Yugoslavia was split. Russian speaking oblasts forming several new States like the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics. Or for instance a New Russian State.
All this after demilitarisation and denazification.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 22:55 utc | 133

Posted by: bevin | Mar 13 2022 17:54 utc | 46
“Gilbert Doctorow sees a false flag chemical attack coming: “Warning: it is “highly likely” the United States is now about to carry out a ‘false flag’ operation in Ukraine in which it will accuse the Russians of using chemical weapons…”
We are definitely being primed by the msm… they do like to keep all options open.
The way I see it is that US has only a very limited window of opportunity to carry this out & that window is closing fast.
As the Russians military success mounts any such attack becomes less credible & it becomes a bridge too far for even the corporate shill media.
They could get away with such nonsense in Syria but this just has too many eyes watching.

Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:57 utc | 134

@118 Cont’d–
I see that Sergei Ryabkov in this report by Vzglyad made this statement that was published by RIA Novosti at its Telegram channel:
“I would not say that Russia’s proposals for security guarantees remain fully in force, the situation has changed.”
That’s all I could find. There’s nothing at the MFA’s website about such a change. At the most recent Security Council meeting, Shoigu’s report’s most important point was the massing of NATO forces on borders close to Russia and the need to offset them with Russian forces. Ryabkov apparently gave an interview on the 12th to TV channel 1 in which he made that statement along with many others; but as I said, there’s no transcript at the MFA.
As I’ve noted, the big problem is rolling NATO back to its 1997 status, which as things now stand would probably mean war as NATO’s boss wants the confrontation to continue.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 22:59 utc | 135

#120: That was wrong, but at least there was a reasonable provocation for it. We had been directly attacked, and in a terrible way.
Incredible, some people still do not understand that it was a false flag done by the US government with the help of Mossad? Do not understand that several laws of physics were brokent that day if to follow the offcial narrative? Netanyahou wss rejoicing like the 4 Mossad agents documenting the attack and celebrating their success with high fives. It is so easy to fool people, it seems.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 23:04 utc | 136

More Nazi paraphernalia found, this time at a base of the Ukrainian 81st Airmobile Brigade in Izyum: photos.

Posted by: S | Mar 13 2022 23:06 utc | 137

“Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:44 utc | 130”
Trotskistes turned neocons with Irving Kristol. Only look at the list of neocons. Mainly Jews.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 23:07 utc | 138

FZappa @129–
Thanks for your reply! I documented the presser at Antalya here. NATO better beware or it’ll get caught up in a massive cauldron where it has zero air superiority, logistical support, or ability to retreat.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:09 utc | 139

Olivier | Mar 13 2022 23:07 utc | 138
i wouldn’t put the SEP in that camp. by any stretch.
nor do i give a shit about the thoughts of pea brains talking about “the jews”.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 23:10 utc | 140

@120 Ian Kummer
“What’s happening right now is the single most horrifying thing I have ever seen.”
Welcome to reality as seen from most of the world for the last 75 years

Posted by: ptb | Mar 13 2022 23:16 utc | 141

« Nearly 10,000 people gathered on Saturday 13 March in several French cities to support Ukraine and denounce the Russian invasion. In total, they were 9,700, including a thousand in Paris, according to figures from the Ministry of the Interior  », Agence France-Presse reported.
A thousand in Paris… What a contrast to the hysterical war propaganda that is poured out on us.

Posted by: Leuk | Mar 13 2022 23:18 utc | 142

rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 19:52 utc | 79
There cannot exist Your Highnesses without there being lots of Your Lownesses.
re “…and so we have all been deeply educated and encultured to believe and to practice…”
So assume you mean mis-educated…or wrongly educated.
“to educate” is “to lead out” from whatever one wants to get out of, or be free of, or away from. Note word derivation: e- or ex- means out; duc- means to lead.
And mis-educated works well to mean “wrongly educate”, or lead into something one wants to avoid.
Russia with its great natural wealth has been a target of the world’s established wealth-accumulators long before you and I were born…because it threatened such persons’ ability to continue dominating others which is necessary to perpetuate their privileged status.
Your Lowness are us. And the game we are stuck in is to keep it so! Every reader at MOA is far removed from the Highnesses.

Posted by: chu teh | Mar 13 2022 23:18 utc | 143

William Gruff–
I turned your comment into a freestanding article/comment on my VK Wall that’s seen considerable attention for that sort of item there. It currently has 57 views and 8 likes. I’ll admit being surprised that Crooke’s latest I linked to yesterday has mostly been ignored–even b missed it in his Week in Review article listing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:22 utc | 144

i’m not linking to this rubbish, but the poster child for “scratch a liberal, find a fascist,” David Corn in ‘Mother Jones’ is calling Tucker Carlson a traitor because Tucker, apparently, is the lone MSM voice suggesting that we have some, even a modicum, of understanding for Russia’s position. Per Corn, trying to understand someone else’s perspective, basic empathy, is now a crime. Lack of empathy is the norm. what’s that called again, “antisocial behavior”? “psychopathy”?
yet, how can you defeat your enemy if you don’t understand what the enemy is trying to achieve? best to call him the latest Hitler and paint every thought, word and gesture of the enemy as purest evil. that way we are never surprised by any Hitler when everything he does is Hitler and could never be otherwise.
that little brat Tucker may be unwittingly setting himself up to be crucified by the MSM. pour encourager les autres. they so easily devour their own.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 23:23 utc | 145

chu teh @143–
Excellent evaluation!! It’s easier to see why most revolutions seek to level society. I like the symbology employed long ago by Ray Harryhausen the special effects guru by having evil emperors raise dead soldiers from the grave to fight their battles–a different way to depict cannon fodder.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:30 utc | 146

Paul Craig Roberts nails it in this article from today: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/03/13/washington-and-moscow-vie-for-the-stupid-prize/
The big question now is if there is a cadre of development oriented economists in Russia who can step in to replace the neoliberals with new thinking. If not, the neoliberals will respond to the new situation in according with their ideology, and introduce further austerity measures in line with the interest rate hike to 20% introduced by Nabiullina about a week ago.
Unfortunately, going by the strategy employed by Putin and his economists after the of 2014, there is absolutely no guarantee that it will be taking the necessary steps toward autarky, even when it’s left with no reasonable alternative by the West. There is a lot to suggest that Putin himself does not even understand that Russia can create its own domestic money and employ its natural resources for its own development. There are countless examples of Putin describing how infrastructure projects cannot move forward due to a lack of foreign investors. (Imagine the Chinese, or for that matter the Iranians or even Indians, doing this.)
It will also, as Paul Craig Roberts points out, be impossible to punish and weaken the West by restricting energy and minerals exports and to direct energy resources and raw materials to Russia’s own development, as the neoliberals believe that a continued inflow of foreign currency is an end in itself and trumps every other consideration.
Russia will then move from the chronic stagnation the neoliberals put it in after 2014 to a depression, and from there into a collapse. There are so far no signs at all that any shift away from neoliberal dogma is taking place. The bright spot in the senior leadership was always Sergey Glazyev, but he was fired as an economic adviser by Putin in August 2019, leaving only neoliberals shaping policy.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 23:31 utc | 147

rjb1.5 @145–
I suggest you read Crooke’s essay I linked @ 144. Corn has lots of company. Carlson is more correct than he knows, and that ought to scare him just a bit.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:34 utc | 148

Ryabkov’s statement is this: https://tass.com/politics/1421141
It doesn’t say HOW they changed

Posted by: FZappa | Mar 13 2022 23:42 utc | 149

@ Ian Kummer | Mar 13 2022 22:08 utc | 120 Re:
“Here’s the bottom line: Russia poses a persistent existential and ideological threat to the West.”
Allow me to rephrase that for you….
Russia is a persistent obstacle to the west’s ability to dominate the world by nuclear blackmail.

Posted by: MarkU | Mar 13 2022 23:44 utc | 150

I dont find the bit about foreign volunteers credible – not going to have some random individual standing just behind me with gun in a fraught conflict.
More likely they are a mix with blackwater, paid for by you know who.
If you want to be a hero, volunteer to fight for enemy.

Posted by: jared | Mar 13 2022 23:44 utc | 151

Unnamed @147–
I wouldn’t be too concerned with PCR’s analysis. Read what’s provided by the Kremlin of the meeting between Putin and Lukashenko two days ago. I’ve followed Putin very closely via primary sources over the years and know he’s nowhere near a neoliberal. I’ll say this again: Putin’s political-economy is based on People-Centered Development–very much like Xi’s and China’s pathway. Neoliberal parasitism Putin saw up close and very personal during the Rape of Russia by those parasites during the 1990s; Putin loathes them. I know that because he’s said so on many occasions. Russia’s largest political party, Russia United, is very involved in promoting Putin’s social and political-economic policies, in the Duma and across Russia in hundreds of civil society organizations.
To know Russia, one must watch Russia. The west has proven it doesn’t do either.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:46 utc | 152

@Norwegian #52
I don’t see a scenario where all of Kiev goes into Russia outside of a full occupation. Cities are where the Atlanticists congregate, and Kiev is the biggest city in Ukraine.
But I understand where you are coming from.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:49 utc | 153

karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:34 utc | 148
thanks, except for his concluding couple of paragraphs, whose point seems more uncertain, everything he writes is great, seems spot on.
what will guilt drive people to do? in order not to be outed, what’s a V Nuland or M Pompeo capable of? nuclear annihilation to avoid a war crimes court? absolutely. if you do not bow in homage before the Disney image factory, “they want you dead. or in their lie.” (near the very end of the film version of “the thin red line”) if you do not agree that Colin Powell is a saint, you are a traitor.
the only crime is not bleating along w/the rest of the sheep stampeding into the abattoir. “but you are not sheep. You are humans” (Ezekiel)
karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:46 utc | 152
i don’t know about all that, but it’s pretty damn clear that Russia is not NATO. i hope you are right. all “bourgeois nationalist governments” aren’t alike, are they?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 23:49 utc | 154

@too scents #52
Lavrov and Putin have stated the problem, but there are many possible resolutions to that problem.
What I asked you specifically is if you actually think Russia will attack Poland and/or Romania.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:50 utc | 155

@149 The change is pretty obvious (to me anyway). Russia has created facts on the ground which can only be altered by US/NATO agreeing to certain demands. In other words Russia isn’t asking for anything. It’s telling.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2022 23:50 utc | 156

Abdel Bari Atwan has a very good analysis of the current crisis. It is worth reading.
https://thecradle.co/Article/columns/7707

Posted by: bevin | Mar 13 2022 23:54 utc | 157

@Likklemore #59
I think any and all inflation tabulations are always going to be wrong.
The reality is that inflation hits different segments of the population differently. The present increases in gasoline and food costs are largely invisible to the top 10% but are hitting the bottom 50% hard.
However, from a generic debt servicing standpoint – a nice round 100% inflation in 1 to 5 years is a reasonable ballpark for SHTF economic scenario.
From a dollars coming home situation, it depends on how much and how fast. If we’re talking 50% of the foreign dollars come home, that would be roughly 25% inflation via money supply growth.
Then there’s the commodity supercycle we appear to be embarking on. Let’s just say that I don’t see $120 oil as being the peak of this cycle – I don’t pretend to know what that peak is, but my view is that we’ll not see a resolution to the supply situation in less than 18 months. So either oil will hit a high enough point to send enough of the world into recession (one way to reduce demand) or we’ll see managed increases up to the point just before recession, at which point new supply comes in enough volume to change the dynamic.
I do have a medium high expectation that we’ll see oil contango though, before resolution.
Net net: the 50% to 100% increase in food prices I am expecting for this year are not going to be necessarily unusual vs. other other “inflation overperforming” sectors…

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:56 utc | 158

Thanks to b @1 for that item of news and for the context provided by the “Coffee or Die” link. For someone who refuses the mainstream war reportage experience this is very important. And also many thanks to Stonebird @66, especially for the Dugin quote. Couldn’t have said it better myself! That Alexander Dugin is Putin’s favourite philosopher says a lot about the intellectual and moral stature of Putin. Bet you even General Gerasimov reads Dugin. (It thrills me to know I share this moment of epochal history with people of the caliber of Vladimir Putin, and we were born in the same year).

Posted by: Australian lady | Mar 13 2022 23:56 utc | 159

FZappa @149–
Thanks for your reply! TASS reports what I read at RIA Novosti, yet there’s this cryptic sentence:
The issue now is to provide for reaching the aims, which were set by our authorities before launching a special military operation.” [My Emphasis]
I know what the proposals are; I turned them into articles at my VK Space. And I noted the main objective above and how it’s become a more difficult project/”aim.” Perhaps we’ll get some clarification Monday. The way I see it, the basic principle–indivisible security–hasn’t changed. What’s changed is the context of the entire situation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:57 utc | 160

@Cabe #78
I don’t have a “most likely” scenario primarily because I don’t believe Putin/Russia have a solitary goal in mind. I believe they have a graduated plan that has different outcomes depending on the world/Ukraine ground situation.
The second issue is that Western interference in Ukrainian leadership is a major spoiler.
As I noted in the original post – I believe Zelensky has a golden parachute to Miami if he fights to the last Ukrainian, and the Pravy Sektor/Svoboda/Azov types are win or die.
Thus it is impossible to base any predictions on “logic”.
As for nuclear war: I do not see this at all.
The scenario where nuclear war is possible is one where Russian and NATO forces are directly facing each other and executing provocations.
I don’t see this at all happening so far or in the near future.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 14 2022 0:02 utc | 161

thanks to karloff1 and FZappa for the kremlin and tass links.
who are the mad men, and who are the sane? so understandable why Americans cannot be allowed to listen to the words of foreign leaders. ever. Putin’s temporary, part-time undersecretary for shoe-tying and velcro straps makes Biden and Pelosi sound like the “It’s Alive!”baby, but now all grown up and graduated -to the 2nd grade.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 14 2022 0:04 utc | 162

@Olivier #133
Yes, good point. That is different than the existing scenario 2 types.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 14 2022 0:05 utc | 163

rjb1.5 @154–
Thanks for your reply. I’ve been watching for decades. China, Russia, and the entire Global South want a new direction. Russia and China have agreed on the basics of that new direction in their several joint statements and speeches by Putin and Xi. That’s why there’s conflict today. The dying hegemon doesn’t want to lose its Zero-sum game, so it uses the only tools it has remaining–lying, cheating, theft, and murder: Pompeo’s Mantra.
Now it’s break time!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 14 2022 0:06 utc | 164

@ Unamed 147 Paul Craig Roberts nails it in this article from today- Washington and Moscow vie for the stupid prize
PCR wrote in previous article he is chagrined that Mr. Putin has yet to use all his armour. . Lots of hand wringing and whining. What is being overlooked is that since 2007 Russia has been warning of NATO’s encroaching – and of their deception. The Ukraine exercise, and protection from the expected sanctions, are well prepared. The West will bear the burden of the sanctions. In a word. Hyperinflation and collapse of the financial world order.
Sunday- 7:42 EST March 13, 2022 it’s Monday in Moscow.
Statement from Russian Foreign Ministry
Moscow Will Not Ask Western Sanctions to Be Lifted, Pressure Will Not Change Its Course
https://sputniknews.com/20220313/russian-fm-moscow-will-not-ask-western-sanctions-to-be-lifted-pressure-will-not-change-its-course-1093839326.html

The United States, EU countries and a number of other states including Japan and Canada have imposed extensive new sanctions against Russia and major Russian organizations in response to the Kremlin’s special military operation to demilitarize and “denazify” Ukraine.
Russia will not ask the US and EU member nations to lift the sanctions, as pressure from the West and around the world will not change Moscow’s course, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Vershinin said on Monday.
According to the deputy FM, both Washington and the EU “have tried very hard” to impose as many sanctions against Russia as possible as a means of reversing the Kremlin’s course, “to force us to change the decisions that have been made.” “Nothing will come of it,” stressed Vershinin.
“Sanctions are not our decision. They are being imposed by those who, like the US, and – let’s be direct – its satellites, want to exert pressure on Russia, put our economy and ordinary Russians in a very difficult situation, doing this as a punishment for Russia’s sovereign political decisions,” Vershinin said in an interview with the Izvestia newspaper.[.]
“We will not ask for these sanctions to be lifted. We will simply further develop our own economy and our ability to develop independently, relying on the friends and like-minded people that we have,” Vershinin said.[.}

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2022 0:07 utc | 165

I heard on the Western press this Sunday morning that Russia might use some biochemicals. I saw a small mention in the first couple of days that Ukronazis were in full hazmat suits unloading canisters from a truck. Do not be surprised if that’s where it may be used. And, of course, it will be blamed on Putin.

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Mar 14 2022 0:10 utc | 166

@81 Likkelmore, I would advise Jake Sullivan against talking about “backfilling” anything…

Posted by: Maximus | Mar 14 2022 0:21 utc | 167

I am sad to see that things are not progressing well. I read gilbertdoctorow (sp?) for the first time. It doesn’t paint a nice picture for Russia. I am really hoping Putin/Russia will teach a good lesson to US politicians Biden, this two imbeciles Rubio and Mitch McConnell. Nothing much on Indian punchline and saker. It appears Russia is giving up denazification. sad day.

Posted by: Calgary guy | Mar 14 2022 0:21 utc | 168

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:46 utc | 152
I used to have the same view as you do, for a long time. And for you to say that I just need to “watch” Russia is incredibly arrogant. I have watched Russia, especially its economy and industry, very closely for many years. It’s one thing for Putin to say that “Western neoliberalism killed more Russians than WWII”, it’s another for him to have any concept what neoliberalism actually means and from there to counteract it in reality.
Look at the balance sheet of the Central Bank of Russia, how it barely contains any Russian government securities on the asset side (only foreign exchange and gold). This is not something that has no significance to Russia’s economic development. It is indicative of an extreme, fundamentalist application of neoliberal economics, unparalleled anywhere in the Western world. And the Central Bank of Russia is state-owned, with its governors appointed by Putin.
Look at how Russia, after more than 20 years of Putin as president/prime minister, has almost no motorways built in the post-Soviet era, and how the very few new motorways that do get built are toll-roads (!). It is the “toll-road economy” that Michael Hudson will refer to as an outcome of neoliberalism, but in the most literal sense. Compare this to the development of China’s expressway network.
Another very important example is how the Russian government has jacked up electricity prices in recent years, essentially harmonizing their price levels with parts of western Europe. There is no good reason for Russia to export most of its oil and gas, to earn foreign currency that Russia does not actually need, only to leave its households and industries without a competitive edge compared to the West when it comes to energy costs. It is also the opposite to China, which heavily subsidizes electricity production to lower costs for its industries, even though China does need to import its energy, except most of its coal.
There are still no high speed railways in Russia (the Moscow-St. Petersburg link uses German ICE trains, but they do not travel at high speeds), the domestic semiconductors industry left by the Soviet Union was squandered, and so on. Petrochemicals were completely neglected for decades, until finally China basically forced it to get started (from almost zero) with large investments, in both the Far East and the Baltics, a few years ago. Large, important conglomerates for example in heavy industry (like OMZ) will have laughable revenue figures of only a few million dollars, reflecting the total dysfunction of the financial system in supporting the real economy.
A company with (the equivalent of) 56 million dollars in revenue (essentially the government decides it should have such a low revenue, by not creating the domestic money at the level needed by the real economy), but which contains critical industries like Cryogenmash and the manufacture of reactor pressure vessels, will not have the money to invest in new machinery to make these operations more efficient or to sustain these operations into the future.
Accordingly, the capital stock simply rots, and sooner or later these industries inherited from the Soviet Union, and still to this day in many ways world-leading, will (needlessly) have to be abandoned. This is pure capital destruction, also helping to repel many of Russia’s best engineers and scientists, driven by neoliberal austerity ideology brought to an extreme without any parallel, whether in the developed world or in the third world.
Merely spouting that “Putin is all about People-Centered Development” is completely meaningless, when it does not correspond to any real policy.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 0:25 utc | 169

@168 “Calgary Guy” Nice try… Go Oral Fc*k yourself

Posted by: Maximus | Mar 14 2022 0:26 utc | 170

@169 “Unamed” nice Moniker… now GTFO

Posted by: Maximus | Mar 14 2022 0:29 utc | 171

@168 “It appears Russia is giving up denazification. sad day.”
What makes you think that? I read a lot of analysts and I haven’t seen anything to that effect. My impression is that denazification may not work out exactly the way the Russians want but if Azov Battalion represents Ukrainian nazis their days are numbered.

Posted by: dh | Mar 14 2022 0:31 utc | 172

Posted by: Maximus | Mar 14 2022 0:29 utc | 171
Not going to happen, sorry. You will have to look for some place else for a little cult where you won’t be disturbed.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 0:35 utc | 173

@ Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 0:25 utc | 169 with the ongoing obfuscation of Russia
Please point out the high speed rail in the US……LOL
When you are up to your ass in alligators (fascists) its hard to remember that your original intention was to drain the swamp.
Please continue telling us how backward Russia is and such as it has empire militarily backed up to the wall and about to topple over….grin
I love me the smell of desperation on the Intertubes

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2022 0:38 utc | 174

From Grayzone:
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/war-ukraine-unipolar-world/

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 14 2022 0:40 utc | 175

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:56 utc | 158
Net net: the 50% to 100% increase in food prices I am expecting for this year are not going to be necessarily unusual vs. other other “inflation overperforming” sectors…
Not unusual 50-100% increase in food prices !! How is this sustainable even for 3 weeks when a large sector of the population lives pay-check to pay-check on minimum hourly wages? Some do not have $400 in savings for an emergency !!
And in the last 2 weeks gas at USD$7.25 up from $3.50 per gallon. People in rural areas without public transport will not afford going to work?
Already 2 days ago is being floated the government will send out checks to low-income persons to help cover cost of food and gas.
Chaos much?
Your expectations of the situation being resolved in 18 months is quite optimistic. Think in terms of 5-10 years to replace Russian oil.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2022 0:43 utc | 176

@Unnamed 169
The flip side of Russia’s recently expired symbiosis with Germany, perhaps, and Putin’s aversion to communism.
And to a degree of the factor of oligarchs never quite trusting the Russian government and trying to sneak the proceeds of export industries out of the country — and one of the ways of doing this is by going for mega deals with their multinational industrial vendors, with the end result that they eventually walk away with part ownership of the vendors in foreign jurisdictions, effecting the transfer when everything is said and done.
I wonder how much of this began to reverse, by necessity, after 2014 …

Posted by: ptb | Mar 14 2022 0:55 utc | 177

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 18:20 utc | 49
You quoted and agreed with: “This imbecile and other 5th/6th columnists better come up with a very good reason for placing Russia’s wealth where it can be easily stolen by the Empire of Thieves.”
Those assets were outside the country to serve as collateral for various foreign trade contracts for contracting parties “hesitant” to accept gold and other assets within Russia itself.
The amounts give some indication of Russia’s volume of foreign trade.
In other words, the Russian government — and not necessarily Putin — had little choice in the matter.
Posted by: RJPJR |

Posted by: RJPJR | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 178

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-seeks-military-equipment-and-aid-from-china-us-officials-say/ar-AAV0LDf?ocid=uxbndlbing
What’s with this headline on Drudge? I can’t imagine any military equipment China could offer. Or maybe this is just a lie to cast blame on China in expectation that Ukraine will lose.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 179

Can’t afford the necessities? Then steal them.
. . .google search on gasoline thefts here — drilling into gas tanks. Also water and food theft here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:04 utc | 180

@ 179
Top three China military exports – ships, aircraft, and armored vehicles.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:06 utc | 181

@republic of scotland
a lot of activity at a south eastern polish base last week
not much anymore? (sunday) 30 kms away?

Posted by: ciaran | Mar 14 2022 1:12 utc | 182

Posted by: RJPJR | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 178
OK, that’s interesting. How would this collateral be necessary, for example in a trade where Russia sells oil to a Western company? Would a bank in fact demand collerateral to issue a letter of credit? Could you describe this in more detail?

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 1:12 utc | 183

There was a day of protests in France today. One regarding Climate Change, the second about Ukraine. The former had the benefit of far more protestors.

Posted by: Oh | Mar 14 2022 1:18 utc | 184

CNN
Russia said it could seize the assets of Western companies that have suspended operations in the country. Dozens of American, European and Japanese companies from almost every sector of the economy have abandoned joint ventures, factories, stores and offices in the last two weeks in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the ensuring sanctions.
companies pulling back from Russia . .
Ford, Toyota, Volswagen, Nissan, Boeing, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Hitachi, IBM etc here
Russians like McDonald’s. There are 850 McD’s in Russia, most of them company-owned. Operations have been ‘paused.’ Some websites have tried to pick up the slack, moving into the stores may be next.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:23 utc | 185

@c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40
In your “division of Ukraine” scenarios, perhaps you should include a possibility where all oblasts are encouraged/enabled to become independent republics, whether individually or in association with other like minded oblasts. A result might be the eastern and southern oblasts declaring independence but agreeing to enter into a joint “union state” sort of agreement with Russia and Belarus; the central Ukraine oblasts forming a union which Russia would permit to exist because they agree to remain neutral, non-militarized, and retain economic cooperation with Russia and Belarus; and the Galatia rump becomes the relatively lawless Idlib of Ukraine, de-fanged of offensive weapons but awash in Nazis, which will shortly become such a problem for Poland and other European countries that they will actually join the Russia-friendly/neutral countries in helping to dampen that down over time.

Posted by: J Swift | Mar 14 2022 1:23 utc | 186

@185 Takeover McDonalds! Would they dare?? Reminds me of a scene in Dr. Stranglove….
https://youtu.be/DUAK7t3Lf8s

Posted by: dh | Mar 14 2022 1:30 utc | 187

@ dh 187
Thanks for that . .I needed a good belly laugh. . . “You’ll have to answer to the Coca-Cola company.” . . .Imagine Putin answering to McDonald’s . .I think he could handle it, and get fries with that.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:42 utc | 188

Just finished watching a Consortium News video from March 4th with Scott Ritter and Mark Sleboda. It’s a week old but still perfectly relevant to the current situation. One of the best analyses from two of the best analysts. I’ve followed Mark Sleboda since the 2014 Maidan event, although on occasion I’ve been irritated because he tends to be dismissive of certain arguments (including some of mine on Twitter.) He’s a former U.S. Navy nuclear engineer, political analyst and radio host who has been on the RT “Crosstalk” show as a regular guest. He lives in Russia, is married to a Russian, and knows Russian society and politics very well. He’s also fairly good on military analyses, although I don’t think he’s as good as The Saker or Martyanov or Ritter. He cites Michael Hofnan and Rob Lee as military experts he follows, and those guys have been getting this Ukraine operation wrong from the get-go, and are dismissed by Martyanov.
This is probably the best exposition of all the issues around the Ukraine situation, the military and economic aspects, that I’ve seen so far. There’s some disagreement between Ritter and Sleboda about whether there might be an insurgency after the war ends, and I tend to agree with Ritter rather than Sleboda. One solution I see for the Western Ukraine problem Russia faces is deportation – simply kick out everyone identified as Ukrainian nationalist or neo-Nazi to Poland and the West. Once the new government is set up and a proper border control instituted, just don’t let any of them back in. So rather than Ukraine ethnic cleansing eastern Ukrainians because they are Russian, just “politically cleanse” Western Ukraine of the nationalists and neo-Nazis. We’ll see if that happens, but that’s how I’d do it. But that’s just me. 🙂
It’s long, slightly over two hours, but well worth the time. I know it’s next to impossible to find the time, which is why I just got caught up with it. But it’s worth it. Check it out.
CN LIVE! S4E3 UKRAINE UPDATE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOkk-xfMfQ

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 1:49 utc | 189

anyone got any ideas or insights into what the heck is going to happen here? does anyone think that Russia won’t start bombing such convoys, if it already hasn’t, and what would Poland and US/nato do?
https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1503175296421355520
Spriter @spriter99880
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Kiev Claims NATO will Defend Arms Convoys to Ukraine against Russia
VS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/12/russia-says-will-target-western-weapons-convoys-ukraine/
Russia warns it will target Western weapons convoys in Ukraine
Supplies of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, rifles and body armour have been flooding into Ukraine, bolstering the resistance effort

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 14 2022 1:49 utc | 190

Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:04 utc | 180
lol. try also “catalytic converter theft”.
we’ll soon be stealing our anti-depressant meds from EV car batteries. thanks Elon!

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 14 2022 1:50 utc | 191

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 179
It’s undoubtedly bullcrap. Scott Ritter has been emphasizing that literally everything you see on MSM or even alternative media is part of a CIA “information operation.” He knows what that looks like because he’s been involved in them. See the video I posted above, where he explains all that. Also reference that article I posted a link to in the last thread about the guy who used to write articles and produce videos for the US military, who also says that all of this looks like a multi-billion dollar propaganda operation.
Ritter says in the video above that he takes Russia at face value (in terms of their motivations and intentions.) In this conflict, that’s good advice.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 1:53 utc | 192

Re: #48 (S. Brennan)
So, you were on Mcloughlin and Oak Grove. Yeah, had the same problem. Was stopping off at Voodoo donuts to get some quality rush going, might have even spoke with the same woman who called me a Russian stooge and didn’t love my country. (BTW: Ex-SF in our reindeers games in SE Asia in the 70’s).
The folks here in Portland are losing it pretty badly. Cognitive disonance everywhere you look.

Posted by: Degringolade | Mar 14 2022 1:58 utc | 193

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 14 2022 1:49 utc | 190
Nothing Kiev says is to be believed. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. Their output is entirely run by the CIA.
This is the vague possibility that both Ritter and Sleboda talk about in that Consortium News video that NATO might try an incursion into western Ukraine once the “humanitarian crisis”, i.e., the millions of refugees, especially from western Ukraine as the nationalists and neo-Nazis flee the country as Russia approaches Lvov, reaches a high. Ritter believes Russia will stop that in its tracks as a demonstration against NATO getting further involved.
The also discuss the possibility of an insurgency. Sleboda thinks the CIA can do it, Ritter dismisses it. In my view, the solution to Western Ukraine’s dislike of the Russians: deport them to Poland and the West. Identify everyone with connections to nationalist and neo-Nazi organizations and just deport them. Then put the border control back up and just don’t let them back in. Once that is done and the Ukrainian Constitution is modified to ban nationalist and neo-Nazi political parties and militias, backed up by Ukrainian law enforcement and Russian intelligence assets, those people will not be able to get an insurgency going.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 1:59 utc | 194

Alastair Crooke said. . .
Write the script for a new scenario; direct its production; and then stage it on video. Many may disbelieve the resulting piece, but there is nothing for them to do, except to watch it in mute, frustrated silence. Game over. You have ‘won’.
>President Joe Biden warned on Friday that Russia will pay a “severe price” if the country uses chemical weapons in Ukraine.
>National security advisor: Russia claiming that US, Ukraine are using chemical weapons is ‘a tell’ that Russia could be ‘preparing to do so’
>US State Secretary Blinken has warned of a provocative “false” chemical weapon attack by Russia before it invaded Ukraine in the “coming days.”
>The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield accused Russia calling Friday’s U.N. Security Council hearing to spread lies and disinformation about Ukraine and chemical weapons. Greenfield told the international body that the U.S. believes Russia could use chemical or biological agents for assassinations as part of a false flag incident or to support tactical military operations. And we are deeply concerned that Russia’s calling for this meeting is a potential false flag effort in action — exactly the kind we have been warning about, including from Secretary Blinken here in the security council last month,” she said.
>Intelligence points to heightened risk of Russian chemical attack in Ukraine, officials say
>More than two weeks into the war in Ukraine, and the unthinkable is not only being thought, it’s being said out loud: could Putin use nuclear weapons? The Ukrainian forces’ tenacity in fighting back has been extraordinary, but could it make Putin even more dangerous? And what happens if he fails with conventional weapons? Will he use unconventional ones next?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 2:02 utc | 195

RT’s latest “Worlds Apart” episode with a Chinese professor is quite interesting. Covers a lot of ground around the current situation and it’s implications for China.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 14 2022 2:04 utc | 196

. . .from an article by Ivan F. Ingraham who “served 24 years as a Special Operations Officer in the United States Marine Corps” . . . .
Russia doesn’t wage war elegantly. Their military is ponderous and heavy-handed with support and emphasis being placed on the unit making the best progress. Two weeks after invading, Russia’s war to date is characterized by stalled progress; a demonstrated lack of logistics; a fractured advance; and strong Ukrainian resistance. . .Russia expected a quick fight followed by a swift capitulation of the Ukrainian government due to their reputation as a European bully. Reputation doesn’t win wars. Fighting hard, quickly, and to win, does.
. . .my response (unanswered)
After two weeks the Russian advance has stalled? Of course not. Russia has made advances in the south, east and north. There’s no basis for saying “Russia expected a quick fight followed by a swift capitulation of the Ukrainian government” but it makes a convenient strawman. Speaking of stalled advances, remember that it took the mighty US Army four years to pacify Baghdad.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 2:13 utc | 197

@ 187 dh.. thanks for the laugh!
https://t.me/QVINTAAETAS/4516?single
Zelensky published a video in which he allegedly visited a hospital with wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine today.
But on the footage, a physician, Inna Derusova, was seen, who died on February 26. The death of the woman was confirmed by her relatives. Then Zelensky himself awarded her the title of Hero of Ukraine posthumously.
It turns out that the published video of the meeting of the President of Ukraine with wounded soldiers on March 13 is a fake. The video was recorded back in February, before the death of Inna Derusova.
Earlier, many media outlets wrote that Zelensky left Ukraine a long time ago, and all videos with him and recordings allegedly from Kyiv were made in advance.

Posted by: james | Mar 14 2022 2:13 utc | 198

I’m quite concerned that China is going to roll over for the West and play ball. Shades of 1.3B and social unrest should they lose their target markets of the EU and US. Maybe that’s naive but I don’t think so. Maybe even some intimation that Taiwan gets sold down the river in exchange for China getting on board with the winning team?
Either way, I see China and Russia as the only reliable counterweights to an increasingly malign global North. I just don’t see how China is going to break with the coalition of the stupid and hypocritical when to do so would cost them more than they can seemingly afford.
And the consequences of losing this counterweight means we’ll all pay a price as wokeism and all the other unthinkable trappings of the westernized world metastasize further.

Posted by: WastelandChic | Mar 14 2022 2:14 utc | 199

Just looked over at Turcopolier, which I occasionally read to see if it has anything interesting to say. Pat Lang seems to have completely lost his mind.

Posted by: Ben | Mar 14 2022 2:17 utc | 200