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March 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-26
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:32 utc | 96 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 20:38 utc | 101 @rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 88
Don’t show yourself like an idiot, you have better things to do. You are projecting something from your own mind. All you achieve with such drivel is to discredit yourself. “capitalist fairy tales” LOL?? Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 20:39 utc | 102 Historical European borders for the past 2400 years, a great sound track too… Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 13 2022 20:43 utc | 103 Kim | Mar 13 2022 20:27 utc | 95 Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 20:43 utc | 104 @ Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:37 utc | 100 Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 20:51 utc | 105 too scents (87). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 13 2022 20:52 utc | 106 So…. Zelensky publishes a video of himself, supposedly visiting a hospital today. Only problem is that he is accompanied in the video by a woman who died 26. February! Is he trying to prove everything is fake and he perhaps has left Ukraine?
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 20:59 utc | 107 Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:37 utc | 100 Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 21:08 utc | 108 Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 20:39 utc | 102 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 21:19 utc | 109 rjb1.5 @109. I could be wrong. I don’t see Norwegian as a covid denier. When he says fake he means the collective Rheeeeeeeeee that was pushed upon us, at least in the west, the death rate has more to do with abdication of responsibility by medical professionals, and their higher ups who claimed NO TREATMENT till we get a vax, which we all know by now was complete horseshit. As to global warming, does it not seem odd that carbon reducing tech sits on the shelf and all our leaders seem to be able to do is take rights away and levy more taxes, while making us afraid for our grandchildren? Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 13 2022 21:33 utc | 110 psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 90 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 21:35 utc | 111 @ Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 13 2022 21:33 utc | 110 Posted by: majoab | Mar 13 2022 21:36 utc | 112 @rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 21:19 utc | 109
And in your head this somehow becomes “capitalist fairy tales”. Good luck with that ‘argument’.
How many people died from heat in British Columbia this last summer? And what has this to do with anything. Have you never participated in a debate about Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 21:45 utc | 114 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 20:34 utc | 97 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 13 2022 21:46 utc | 115 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 16:14 utc | 9 Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 21:50 utc | 116 Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 21:08 utc | 108 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 21:52 utc | 117 Peter AU1 @89– Here’s an item on soaring nickel prices, but no mention of market rigging and such. We’ll know if it’s as bad as it seems if the US Treasury stops minting the nickel coin, which is now worth more than the dollar coin metallically. My modest take on the ideological motivations behind this war. Posted by: Ian Kummer | Mar 13 2022 22:08 utc | 120 Russian ambassador cancelled at Australia’s National Press Club. Disturbing comparisons and implications for free speech. Posted by: Paul | Mar 13 2022 22:15 utc | 121 Frothing rage and Russophobia is right. Posted by: Peter | Mar 13 2022 22:17 utc | 122 This looks realistic – Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:19 utc | 123 cindy6 | Mar 13 2022 20:02 utc | 83 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 22:27 utc | 124 how do you respond to someone who says, “but there are 5 times as many Nazis in Russia as in Ukraine”? This was part of counterpunch editor J St Claire’s reply, to an email I wrote to him about his chest thumping that if he were in Kiev, he’d be rolling flaming tires toward Rooskie tanks. (my opinions mean less than my money, so a threat not to support and to advise others not to support CP is not that much of a threat.) Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:27 utc | 125 Posted by: Paco | Mar 13 2022 17:15 utc | 33 Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:29 utc | 126 Posted by: Kim | Mar 13 2022 17:15 utc | 34 Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:36 utc | 127 I wonder if that Canadian sniper is dead in Ukraine? I’d like to date his widowed wife and give her a good spanking. Posted by: Luvluv | Mar 13 2022 22:41 utc | 128 karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 22:00 utc | 118 Posted by: FZappa | Mar 13 2022 22:43 utc | 129 i also got into a heated argument w/some of the Trostkyites at wsws. you know those commies love love love their statements and declarations summarizing their meetings. I insisted 1st that we unequivocally assert Russia’s right of self-defense. Well, they weren’t buying any of that. Then I suggested that the meeting declaration simply assert the universal right of self-defense, without specific reference to Russia and Ukraine or any other conflict. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:44 utc | 130 rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:44 utc | 130 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:53 utc | 131 As I said before ,I don’t see how this ends. Russia may achieve military victory but that does not eliminate the resistance on the ground which can drag on endlessly. The conflict also does not stop after the military stage. The US is a major instigator and has no objections about Russia and Europe destroying each other economically. They will try to keep the conflict alive and who says they can avoid it from getting out of hand. The press is entirely partisan and not interested in cooling the conflict. A good measure of that is to what extent they dismiss any Ukranian claim instantly. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 13 2022 22:54 utc | 132 Comments? Criticisms? Expansions? Corrections? Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 22:55 utc | 133 Posted by: bevin | Mar 13 2022 17:54 utc | 46 Posted by: ted001 | Mar 13 2022 22:57 utc | 134 @118 Cont’d– #120: That was wrong, but at least there was a reasonable provocation for it. We had been directly attacked, and in a terrible way. Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 23:04 utc | 136 More Nazi paraphernalia found, this time at a base of the Ukrainian 81st Airmobile Brigade in Izyum: photos. Posted by: S | Mar 13 2022 23:06 utc | 137 “Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 22:44 utc | 130” Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 23:07 utc | 138 FZappa @129– Olivier | Mar 13 2022 23:07 utc | 138 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 23:10 utc | 140 @120 Ian Kummer Posted by: ptb | Mar 13 2022 23:16 utc | 141 « Nearly 10,000 people gathered on Saturday 13 March in several French cities to support Ukraine and denounce the Russian invasion. In total, they were 9,700, including a thousand in Paris, according to figures from the Ministry of the Interior », Agence France-Presse reported. Posted by: Leuk | Mar 13 2022 23:18 utc | 142 rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 19:52 utc | 79 Posted by: chu teh | Mar 13 2022 23:18 utc | 143 William Gruff– i’m not linking to this rubbish, but the poster child for “scratch a liberal, find a fascist,” David Corn in ‘Mother Jones’ is calling Tucker Carlson a traitor because Tucker, apparently, is the lone MSM voice suggesting that we have some, even a modicum, of understanding for Russia’s position. Per Corn, trying to understand someone else’s perspective, basic empathy, is now a crime. Lack of empathy is the norm. what’s that called again, “antisocial behavior”? “psychopathy”? Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 23:23 utc | 145 chu teh @143– Paul Craig Roberts nails it in this article from today: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/03/13/washington-and-moscow-vie-for-the-stupid-prize/ Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 23:31 utc | 147 rjb1.5 @145– Ryabkov’s statement is this: https://tass.com/politics/1421141 Posted by: FZappa | Mar 13 2022 23:42 utc | 149 @ Ian Kummer | Mar 13 2022 22:08 utc | 120 Re: Posted by: MarkU | Mar 13 2022 23:44 utc | 150 I dont find the bit about foreign volunteers credible – not going to have some random individual standing just behind me with gun in a fraught conflict. Posted by: jared | Mar 13 2022 23:44 utc | 151 Unnamed @147– @Norwegian #52 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:49 utc | 153 karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:34 utc | 148 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 23:49 utc | 154 @too scents #52 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:50 utc | 155 @149 The change is pretty obvious (to me anyway). Russia has created facts on the ground which can only be altered by US/NATO agreeing to certain demands. In other words Russia isn’t asking for anything. It’s telling. Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2022 23:50 utc | 156 Abdel Bari Atwan has a very good analysis of the current crisis. It is worth reading. Posted by: bevin | Mar 13 2022 23:54 utc | 157 @Likklemore #59 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:56 utc | 158 Thanks to b @1 for that item of news and for the context provided by the “Coffee or Die” link. For someone who refuses the mainstream war reportage experience this is very important. And also many thanks to Stonebird @66, especially for the Dugin quote. Couldn’t have said it better myself! That Alexander Dugin is Putin’s favourite philosopher says a lot about the intellectual and moral stature of Putin. Bet you even General Gerasimov reads Dugin. (It thrills me to know I share this moment of epochal history with people of the caliber of Vladimir Putin, and we were born in the same year). Posted by: Australian lady | Mar 13 2022 23:56 utc | 159 FZappa @149– @Cabe #78 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 14 2022 0:02 utc | 161 thanks to karloff1 and FZappa for the kremlin and tass links. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 14 2022 0:04 utc | 162 @Olivier #133 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 14 2022 0:05 utc | 163 rjb1.5 @154– @ Unamed 147 Paul Craig Roberts nails it in this article from today- Washington and Moscow vie for the stupid prize
Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2022 0:07 utc | 165 I heard on the Western press this Sunday morning that Russia might use some biochemicals. I saw a small mention in the first couple of days that Ukronazis were in full hazmat suits unloading canisters from a truck. Do not be surprised if that’s where it may be used. And, of course, it will be blamed on Putin. Posted by: Bob In Portland | Mar 14 2022 0:10 utc | 166 @81 Likkelmore, I would advise Jake Sullivan against talking about “backfilling” anything… Posted by: Maximus | Mar 14 2022 0:21 utc | 167 I am sad to see that things are not progressing well. I read gilbertdoctorow (sp?) for the first time. It doesn’t paint a nice picture for Russia. I am really hoping Putin/Russia will teach a good lesson to US politicians Biden, this two imbeciles Rubio and Mitch McConnell. Nothing much on Indian punchline and saker. It appears Russia is giving up denazification. sad day. Posted by: Calgary guy | Mar 14 2022 0:21 utc | 168 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 23:46 utc | 152 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 0:25 utc | 169 @168 “It appears Russia is giving up denazification. sad day.” Posted by: dh | Mar 14 2022 0:31 utc | 172 Posted by: Maximus | Mar 14 2022 0:29 utc | 171 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 0:35 utc | 173 @ Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 0:25 utc | 169 with the ongoing obfuscation of Russia Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2022 0:38 utc | 174 From Grayzone: Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 14 2022 0:40 utc | 175 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 23:56 utc | 158 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2022 0:43 utc | 176 @Unnamed 169 Posted by: ptb | Mar 14 2022 0:55 utc | 177 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 18:20 utc | 49 Posted by: RJPJR | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 178 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-seeks-military-equipment-and-aid-from-china-us-officials-say/ar-AAV0LDf?ocid=uxbndlbing Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 179 Can’t afford the necessities? Then steal them. Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:04 utc | 180 @ 179 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:06 utc | 181 @republic of scotland Posted by: ciaran | Mar 14 2022 1:12 utc | 182 Posted by: RJPJR | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 178 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 14 2022 1:12 utc | 183 There was a day of protests in France today. One regarding Climate Change, the second about Ukraine. The former had the benefit of far more protestors. Posted by: Oh | Mar 14 2022 1:18 utc | 184 CNN Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:23 utc | 185 @c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40 Posted by: J Swift | Mar 14 2022 1:23 utc | 186 @185 Takeover McDonalds! Would they dare?? Reminds me of a scene in Dr. Stranglove…. Posted by: dh | Mar 14 2022 1:30 utc | 187 @ dh 187 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:42 utc | 188 Just finished watching a Consortium News video from March 4th with Scott Ritter and Mark Sleboda. It’s a week old but still perfectly relevant to the current situation. One of the best analyses from two of the best analysts. I’ve followed Mark Sleboda since the 2014 Maidan event, although on occasion I’ve been irritated because he tends to be dismissive of certain arguments (including some of mine on Twitter.) He’s a former U.S. Navy nuclear engineer, political analyst and radio host who has been on the RT “Crosstalk” show as a regular guest. He lives in Russia, is married to a Russian, and knows Russian society and politics very well. He’s also fairly good on military analyses, although I don’t think he’s as good as The Saker or Martyanov or Ritter. He cites Michael Hofnan and Rob Lee as military experts he follows, and those guys have been getting this Ukraine operation wrong from the get-go, and are dismissed by Martyanov. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 1:49 utc | 189 anyone got any ideas or insights into what the heck is going to happen here? does anyone think that Russia won’t start bombing such convoys, if it already hasn’t, and what would Poland and US/nato do? Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 14 2022 1:49 utc | 190 Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 1:04 utc | 180 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 14 2022 1:50 utc | 191 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 14 2022 0:59 utc | 179 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 1:53 utc | 192 Re: #48 (S. Brennan) Posted by: Degringolade | Mar 14 2022 1:58 utc | 193 Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 14 2022 1:49 utc | 190 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2022 1:59 utc | 194 Alastair Crooke said. . . Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 2:02 utc | 195 RT’s latest “Worlds Apart” episode with a Chinese professor is quite interesting. Covers a lot of ground around the current situation and it’s implications for China. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 14 2022 2:04 utc | 196 . . .from an article by Ivan F. Ingraham who “served 24 years as a Special Operations Officer in the United States Marine Corps” . . . . Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2022 2:13 utc | 197 @ 187 dh.. thanks for the laugh! Posted by: james | Mar 14 2022 2:13 utc | 198 I’m quite concerned that China is going to roll over for the West and play ball. Shades of 1.3B and social unrest should they lose their target markets of the EU and US. Maybe that’s naive but I don’t think so. Maybe even some intimation that Taiwan gets sold down the river in exchange for China getting on board with the winning team? Posted by: WastelandChic | Mar 14 2022 2:14 utc | 199 Just looked over at Turcopolier, which I occasionally read to see if it has anything interesting to say. Pat Lang seems to have completely lost his mind. Posted by: Ben | Mar 14 2022 2:17 utc | 200 |
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