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March 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-26
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The Russian missile attack on the Yavoriv International Peacekeeping and Security Centre has killed 35 and wounded a hundred. New play seems to be to allow for “accidental” death of Western journalists in Ukraine at hands of “Russians” combined with tear-jerking tweets from other embedded journalists holed up in Kiev with western mercenaries (and you have to believe at least a few US special ops or CIA operatives). The point of all this is to create such a degree of war hysteria in the West that US will be forced to involve NATO in order to “save Western civilization” from Putin-Hitler. Posted by: WJ | Mar 13 2022 15:34 utc | 2 New York Times not saying how an American journalist was killed in Irpin. Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 15:38 utc | 3 Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 15:38 utc | 3 Posted by: Wj | Mar 13 2022 15:42 utc | 4 b | Mar 13 2022 15:30 utc | 1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 15:44 utc | 5 Posted by: Wj | Mar 13 2022 15:42 utc | 4 Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 15:50 utc | 6 From the BBC… Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2022 15:59 utc | 7 Soliciting barfly opinions of Kenya’s UN Ambassador Martin Kimani’s Feb 21 “powerful” speech. The former counterterrorism director argues that post-colonial Africa “wisely” didn’t seek to redraw its national boundaries. Posted by: Question | Mar 13 2022 16:09 utc | 8 Sputniknews just now banners “MOD reports “Up to 180 Foreign Merceneries Killed in Russian Strikes on Ukrainian Training Centres. “ Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 16:14 utc | 9 @ dh | Mar 13 2022 15:59 utc | 7……. i guess those folks in keiv are making good use of the guns the gov’t handed out to anyone earlier… Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 16:17 utc | 10 Can someone explain these developments to me ? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 13 2022 16:18 utc | 11 @10 Something strange about that incident for sure james. It might be hard to blame that one on the Russians. Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2022 16:26 utc | 12 I read somewhere that estimated value of western investment in Russia exceeds 300 billion. There is also around 500 planes (Boing and Airbus) currently stuck in Russia. Also the western investors hold close to 300 billion worth of Russian bonds. Posted by: Milos | Mar 13 2022 16:26 utc | 13 The US *really* does not want to see Kiev fall. Some factions within US government are willing to risk WW3 in order to prevent this. Posted by: zet | Mar 13 2022 16:27 utc | 14 Curious. After Mr. Shoigu gives Ukraine eternal sleep what of the financial war?
What is the Eurodollar? Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 16:27 utc | 15 @ 11 quote ” US has stolen 300 billion from Russia and will never give it back. ” Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 16:29 utc | 16 More than 700 Russian Aircraft have had their airworthiness certification revoked by Bermuda authority. Posted by: kim | Mar 13 2022 16:34 utc | 17 @ kim | Mar 13 2022 16:34 utc | 17… did they do this with the boeing 737 maxs too?? bermuda – usa colony… Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 16:44 utc | 18 Looks as if the U$ plan to create a “new Afghanistan” in Ukraine, to bog down the Russians is coming together nicely. Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 13 2022 16:44 utc | 19 dh | Mar 13 2022 15:59 utc | 7 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 16:44 utc | 20 Posted by: kim | Mar 13 2022 16:34 utc | 17 Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 16:49 utc | 21 Looks like today is shaping up to be quite momentous, let’s hope for the better. Posted by: expat | Mar 13 2022 16:49 utc | 22 @Posted by: kim | Mar 13 2022 16:34 utc | 17 Posted by: A.L. | Mar 13 2022 16:56 utc | 23 US will convince itself that it must act. This is the usual course I think. Biden is tosser although he hopes that war will save his butt. Posted by: jared | Mar 13 2022 16:59 utc | 24 @20 The BBC manages to give everything an anti-Russian slant. It will be interesting to see how they ‘explain’ the dead US journalist. Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2022 17:03 utc | 25 Posted by: expat | Mar 13 2022 16:49 utc | 22 Posted by: A.L. | Mar 13 2022 17:04 utc | 26 @23 Bermuda might be trying to dodge some painful re-insurance issues. Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2022 17:04 utc | 27 @Deplorable Commissar #11 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:05 utc | 28 AL @ 23 said;”This war prompts the demise of the whole western world order.” Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 13 2022 17:06 utc | 29 @ jared | Mar 13 2022 16:59 utc | 24 Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 17:07 utc | 30 @Likklemore #9 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:07 utc | 31 Europe opening the door to the refugees from Ukraine may badly backfire. Posted by: OldMike | Mar 13 2022 17:09 utc | 32 Interesting thread, yes, the thrill is gone together with McDonalds and Coke. Posted by: Paco | Mar 13 2022 17:15 utc | 33 Correspondent “The New York Times” Rene Brent died during the fighting in Irpin. Another journalist was wounded. Posted by: Kim | Mar 13 2022 17:15 utc | 34 @c1ue #31 True… Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 13 2022 17:22 utc | 35 Ukrainian PfP Training Centre – NATO I read small and medium businesses in Germany (big biz will be counting on govt bailouts as usual) are telegraphing wholesale bankruptcies in the coming months. Any truth to it b? Posted by: zet | Mar 13 2022 17:26 utc | 37 IMO, many around the globe are wishing for that very scenario. Posted by: A.L. | Mar 13 2022 17:26 utc | 38 @Kim | Mar 13 2022 17:15 utc | 34 Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 13 2022 17:28 utc | 39 Ukraine resolution scenarios Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40 @Opport Knocks #35 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:32 utc | 41 Deplorable Commissar | Mar 13 2022 16:18 utc | 11
Sanctions = burnt bridges. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 17:33 utc | 42 @A.L. #38 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:33 utc | 43 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40 Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 17:40 utc | 44 Nolan Paterson wrote the article from the first comment. Posted by: Milos | Mar 13 2022 17:51 utc | 45 Gilbert Doctorow sees a false flag chemical attack coming: “Warning: it is “highly likely” the United States is now about to carry out a ‘false flag’ operation in Ukraine in which it will accuse the Russians of using chemical weapons Posted by: bevin | Mar 13 2022 17:54 utc | 46 Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 17:40 utc | 44 Posted by: Milos | Mar 13 2022 18:07 utc | 47 A comment I placed over at Saker’s Vineyard Posted by: S Brennan | Mar 13 2022 18:15 utc | 48 The Russian government has now acknowledged that half (about 300 billion dollars) of its foreign exchange reserves have been frozen:
This without a doubt qualifies as one of the dumbest things any state has ever done in history. I have to wonder why Putin allowed this. Is he really that weak in relation to the Western neoliberals and fifth columnists? To what extent does he actually think like them? (Some on these comment pages like to argue that Putin is committed to different economic policies than Western neoliberalism, but then you have to look at actual examples from real life like this one.) If neoliberal Western brainwashing and loyalties are so entrenched in the senior leadership, will even the current situation really change policy in Russia? Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 18:20 utc | 49 A Ukraine-based videogame developer company recently added an overlay on their website, https://www.gsc-game.com/index.htm?lang=ru, including a version in Russian, in which it asks all the visitors to donate money for Ukrainian cause. The first account number in the list of possible donation targets is, allegedly, for the Ukrainian army, and the small addendum after it states that money transfers to that account can be made from anywhere in the world. For anyone in Russia to follow that direction and to donate money to Ukraine this way is a sure way to get prison time, because funding an army of a country that your own country is in active military conflict with – that’s a textbook definition of treason. Posted by: Dropper | Mar 13 2022 18:23 utc | 50 @too scents #44 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 18:27 utc | 51 @c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 18:29 utc | 52 @ Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 18:20 utc | 49 with the drive by hit on Putin for putting 300 billion of foreign exchange reserves at risk by being part of the current Bretton Woods agreement. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 18:40 utc | 53 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 18:40 utc | 53 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 18:45 utc | 54 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 18:27 utc | 51 Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 18:47 utc | 55 And how could China etc engineer a softer landing for Americans and Europeans – when it is American and European leaders responsible for the break? Posted by: A.L. | Mar 13 2022 18:48 utc | 56 Ukrainian, Russian Negotiators Say Significant ‘Progress’ Made in Ceasefire Talks Posted by: circumspect | Mar 13 2022 18:54 utc | 57 @ Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 18:45 utc | 54 who seems offended by me calling them out for their lack of context. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 18:55 utc | 58 @c1ue #31 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 19:00 utc | 59 British press claims the American reporter was shot by the “Russians”. This will likely be quietly revised. Posted by: jayc | Mar 13 2022 19:02 utc | 60 S Brennan @ 48 Posted by: Paul Spencer | Mar 13 2022 19:08 utc | 61 https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_91759336/alina-lipp-auf-telegramm-das-ist-putins-deutsche-infokriegerin-.html Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 13 2022 19:08 utc | 62 First the simple bits
Lucky people. Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 19:09 utc | 63 ” Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 13 2022 17:06 utc | 29 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 13 2022 19:10 utc | 64 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 18:55 utc | 58 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 19:12 utc | 65 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 13 2022 18:54 utc | 57 Posted by: Milos | Mar 13 2022 19:14 utc | 66 c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40 – my take.. Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 19:17 utc | 67 No, I say let it all burn down so that humanity can start over under new paradigms…. Posted by: A.L. | Mar 13 2022 19:25 utc | 68 james | Mar 13 2022 19:17 utc | 67 Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 19:26 utc | 69 @ Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 19:12 utc | 65 who still fails at context Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 19:26 utc | 70 Scott Ritter Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 19:26 utc | 71 currently unable to access the remarkable videos at this link, posted earlier: Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 19:29 utc | 72 @ Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 19:26 utc | 69 Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 19:33 utc | 73 S Brennan @48 <-- I think this poster is correct. We saw a surge of stupidity in America at the start of the war, as can be expected when the Mockingbird mass media cranks up the jingoism to 11, but the lust for war seems to be decaying quickly. Much more quickly than any previous war that I can remember, that's for sure. Furthermore, Biden's popularity war bump was only a few percentage points and already seems to be waning. Sure, Twatter and Farcebook users seem overwhelmingly bound to the official narrative about the Ukraine, but how much of that is because anyone with an opposing view is banned, shadow banned, or otherwise silenced? Despite how shrill and loud the western propaganda is, I get the feeling that it is not as effective as it was in previous conflicts. Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 13 2022 19:33 utc | 74 Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 19:12 utc | 65 Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 13 2022 19:40 utc | 75 The president of Serbia wished had done a deal at the time. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 13 2022 19:45 utc | 76 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 19:26 utc | 70 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 19:45 utc | 77 @ c1ue | Mar 13 2022 17:31 utc | 40 Posted by: Cabe | Mar 13 2022 19:48 utc | 78 one reason why Russia is so hated is because of its classic writers’ insights into the operations of the modern state, specifically the personality type we call a “bureaucrat,” the only type found in “western democracies”. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 19:52 utc | 79 Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 13 2022 19:40 utc | 75 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 19:59 utc | 80 This old adage comes to mind. “Never bite off more than you can chew.” and I may add, “never threaten your banker…..unless”
I guess the Biden/Obama groupies are not tired of being schooled. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 20:00 utc | 81 some of this analysis has value, but aren’t we still falling for the lead story trap? Posted by: Rae | Mar 13 2022 20:01 utc | 82 @Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 16:27 utc | 15 Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 13 2022 20:02 utc | 83 @ Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 19:45 utc | 77 who continues to state Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 20:05 utc | 84 Ukraine (Kiev) is/was famous for producing high quality music videos. Many Russian pop stars used to go there to film. They have a bit of a film industry. I think it was a Jet Li film that I recall being made there some years back. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 13 2022 20:08 utc | 85 Posted by: kim | Mar 13 2022 16:34 utc | 17
CAN RUSSIA FLY AFTER WESTERN SANCTIONS?
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 13 2022 20:10 utc | 86 A bouquet of consequences ahead for UK jobs.
Tolerant post-Brexit Britain loves an eager labour force. Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2022 20:11 utc | 87 Rae | Mar 13 2022 20:01 utc | 82 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 88 Regarding the mutual security agreement proposed by Russia back in December, Lavrov some days ago stated everything has changed.Mutual security it seems is out the window. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 89 @ Likklemore | Mar 13 2022 20:00 utc | 81 with the China/US meet about Russia Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 20:14 utc | 90 The mayor of Irpin said that journalists will be denied access to the settlement from tomorrow. According to him, media representatives are filming soldiers and revealing the location of the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Posted by: Andreas | Mar 13 2022 20:21 utc | 91 james | Mar 13 2022 19:33 utc | 73 Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 13 2022 20:23 utc | 92 Petri Krohn | Mar 13 2022 20:10 utc | 86 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:24 utc | 93 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2022 20:05 utc | 84 Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 20:25 utc | 94 On March 14, NATO begins large-scale military exercises near the Russian borders. They will be attended by 35 thousand soldiers, 200 aircraft and 50 warships. Posted by: Kim | Mar 13 2022 20:27 utc | 95 Unnamed | Mar 13 2022 20:25 utc | 94 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:32 utc | 96 https://t.me/rogers_kitchen/3666 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 20:34 utc | 97 Those reserves had to be kept over seas for balance of payment issues. The reality is if Russian reserves are not released, there is far more in PHYSICAL assets owned by foreign companies in Russia to compensate. Factories, real estate, inventory . Game over. Posted by: norb | Mar 13 2022 20:34 utc | 98 @77 unnamed Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 13 2022 20:37 utc | 99 Stonebird and james Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 20:37 utc | 100 |
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