From WSJ
“The U.S. won’t negotiate exemptions to Ukraine-related sanctions on Russia to save the 2015 Iranian nuclear deal and instead would try to strike an alternative agreement that excludes Russia if the Kremlin doesn’t back off from last-minute demands, a senior State Department official said.”
That article was put out about the same time as the Iranian strikes on Israel within the US consulate. The zionists in hitting the Iranians were ensuring no US/Iran deal could occur.
This is very much like the terrorists of idlib having a shootout. Interesting times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 12:03 utc | 303

Posted by: robin | Mar 13 2022 11:01 utc | 293
Good luck with all that. If you think Russia hasn’t figured out all that and laid plans to deal with it, you’re delusional.
The fact of the matter is that this is zero evidence that any Ukrainians are interested in “insurgency”. And in any event, few if any such have ever overthrown a military power with the capability of Russia, the US experience in Afghanistan not withstanding. The Ukrainians are not Afghans who have been fighting for centuries and there is no mountainous territory to give them sanctuary. Most Ukrainians, even if they have a problem with Russians, are not supporters of the neo-Nazis, who are only 1% of the population and only wield the power they do because of their willingness to kill people. With Russia present, that ends. The neo-Nazis will be dealt with in a relatively short span of time, and once the new Constitution bans them and the reoriented Ukrainian military is set the task of insuring there is no revival or insurgency, supported by the capability of the Russian SVR/GRU/FSB (and some Chechens), no insurgency is likely to get very far, certainly not far enough to overthrow the new government.
And if they did, Russia would rinse and repeat. That last is the part none of you skeptics seem to get.
Posted by: Wim | Mar 13 2022 11:20 utc | 294
No, the neo-Nazis go. They don’t get gently shipped off to western Ukraine, where they can continue to make trouble with CIA assistance. Russia has clearly specified that the neo-Nazi problem is to get an (ironically) “final solution.” It is the Ukrainian military that will be allowed to go quietly home, where later they can recruited again for the new government.
In any event, this is the program Russia is likely to be following. So let’s wait and see how it turns out.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2022 12:33 utc | 305

Barofsky @186: “The possibility of nukes being used, determines how the conflict, any conflict between nuclear powers unfolds. So, it’s EVERYTHING up to, the use of nukes, but even the psychopaths on the Beltway are not (yet anyway) suicidal.”
No, the oligarchy isn’t suicidal, at least not consciously. As I mentioned, though, the faction of the oligarchy at the controls of the empire finds it inconceivable that the Russians would not give up before using nuclear weapons. After all, the Soviet Union, which was a far more powerful adversary, appeared to collapse like a house of cards in the face of Ronald Reagan’s bluster. Russia, on the other hand, is far weaker than the USSR in all ways; militarily, ideologically, and most importantly economically. The gang in control of the empire cannot believe that Russia, a mere “gas station masquerading as a country”, could brave a confrontation that the Soviet Union could not.
Don’t trust me on this. Just listen to the voices in these very MoA discussion threads that are closest to the establishment. They universally reject the possibility of nuclear weapons being used by Russia. That possibility is dismissed out of hand and not even considered. Among that crowd there are no possible Russian red lines that they cannot safely step across. The Russians simply lack the guts and commitment to their ideals to go so far as to use nuclear weapons to defend themselves, or so the faction in control of the empire at the moment believes.
Of course, this faith among that particular faction of the imperial oligarchy is precisely why the Russians must use nukes, and the sooner the better. The empire’s efforts to escalate the conflict will not end until they do. The deterrent nature of MAD is lost if one side believes the other incapable of using their weapons, so to restore MAD the Russians must use nukes, if only tactical ones at the theater scale.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 13 2022 12:43 utc | 307

The Swiss newscast informs us that the Russian army has reportedly bombed the Yaroviv military base. A little too far West ?

Posted by: Genevoise | Mar 13 2022 12:46 utc | 309

Ukraine still begging for the NATO involvement which is very likely NOT going to come…
Kiev claims NATO will defend arms convoys to Ukraine against Russia
A Russian attack on Western arms convoys to Ukraine will allegedly trigger Article 5 of NATO Treaty, Kiev has claimed
https://www.rt.com/russia/551798-kiev-nato-defend-arms-convoys/

“Today, the head of NATO… Mr. Stoltenberg has made a statement: if a single projectile, a single bullet hits a convoy that … [is delivering arms] to Ukraine, [NATO] will consider it a trigger for Article 5 [of the North Atlantic Treaty],” Danilov said while on air on Rada, the Ukrainian parliament’s TV Channel.
Neither NATO nor Stoltenberg personally has made any public statements on Sunday confirming or denying Danilov’s assertion. The Ukrainian official’s statement comes a day after Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov warned that Russia would consider arms convoys heading for Ukraine to be “legitimate targets” for Russian forces. Ryabkov has not elaborated on whether the convoys could be targeted on Ukrainian territory or elsewhere.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2022 12:56 utc | 311

One big NATO country will NOT sanction Russia: Turkey
Turkey won’t join sanctions of several Western countries against Russia – FM

Turkey will not join the sanctions of several Western countries against Russia due to a special operation in Ukraine, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said at the Antalya Diplomacy Forum, Trend reports with reference to TASS.
“We think that sanctions will not solve the problem,” the minister said while answering a question about Turkey’s position on imposing sanctions against the Russian Federation. “For example, the closure of airspace. We cannot close it in accordance with the Montreux Convention. This is a legal obligation.”

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 13:27 utc | 313

William Gruff | Mar 13 2022 12:43 utc | 308
Iran has demonstrated its ability to escalate. Russia can do so in much stronger conventional terms. When it comes to poker and bluffing Russia holds the high cards. And when it comes to chess, I doubt US is even capable of playing checkers. Just a pigeon that shits on the board.
A pigeon in which a zionist parasite is killing its host.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 13:39 utc | 315

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2022 12:33 utc | 306

Good luck with all that. If you think Russia hasn’t figured out all that and laid plans to deal with it, you’re delusional.
The fact of the matter is that this is zero evidence that any Ukrainians are interested in “insurgency”. And in any event, few if any such have ever overthrown a military power with the capability of Russia, the US experience in Afghanistan not withstanding…

The US wouldn’t need to overthrow the “reoriented” government to achieve its strategic objectives. A perpetually smouldering, perennial basket case nation would achieve the short term goal of exhausting Russia and contribute to the long term strategy of undermining the dreaded continental merger.
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Now, about that denazification. What happens when these guys wisen up, remove their armbands and shave their toothbrush moustaches?
I am purposely being flippant because, in my opinion, if the term denazification has the merit of bringing to light the prevalence of far right extremism, taking the concept verbatim is naive and myopic. For one thing, how would it be implemented? Fighting clearly identifiable battalions is one thing, but how is Russia supposed to go after the rest of the sympathizers? For the sake of argument, let’s pretend that Russian intelligence can compile an exhaustive register, what then?
Does it send specialized troops after these people? We could also write “specialized troops”, because there are other common definitions for these types of squads. And what then, summary execution? Disappearances? Trials? Internment camps?

Posted by: robin | Mar 13 2022 13:43 utc | 317

@uncle tungsten | Mar 12 2022 23:11 utc | 173
Regarding the humanitarian aid convoy stopped outside Mariupol, I wonder if this is similar to the “humanitarian” aid which crossed over into Syria courtesy of the Turkish Intelligence service?
Last week, I saw a short video which showed what Russian troops discovered when they liberated the eastern outskirts of Mariupol. There was a pile of sealed Red Cross boxes in a hut which turned out to be packed with wads of US dollars. I don’t have the IT expertise so I was not able to archive the clip.

Posted by: cirsium | Mar 13 2022 13:52 utc | 319

If find it remarkable how every Western (American, EU, UK) analysis of the order of battle in Ukraine descends into a psychoanalysis of Putin, rather than an analysis of the military reality on the ground:
Here is the CSIS:
https://youtu.be/pLWYN1jkmXc

Despite Russia’s invasion of Ukraine across three axes, Ukrainian forces and the Ukrainian people have conducted an extraordinary defense of their country. Please join the CSIS International Security Program for an update on Russian military operations in Ukraine and a discussion on the challenges and opportunities for the United States and its partners as they seek to assist Ukraine and deter Russian advances.
Seth G. Jones, Senior Vice President, Harold Brown Chair, and Director of the International Security Program at CSIS, will be joined by Eliot A. Cohen, Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy at CSIS; Emily Harding, Deputy Director and Senior Fellow in the International Security Program at CSIS; and the Honorable Michael Vickers, former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and CIA operations officer.
This event is made possible by general support to CSIS.
———————————————
A nonpartisan institution, CSIS is the top national security think tank in the world.

Take aways (largely comic relief):
– The Ukrainians are performing better than expected, the Russian army worse than expected.
– A more forceful attitude from NATO earlier on could have prevented the invasion of Ukraine.
– The Snake Island incident was indicative of the robust Ukrainian fighting spirit
– U.S Intelligence leading up to the invasion was excellent.
– The Ukrainian resistance was “perfect”
– Statements to the effect of “Kiev is going to fall within 24 hours” are demotivating to the resistance and everybody should just stop it!
– Russian tactical intelligence on the battlefield (targeting) hasn’t been very good.
– The Russian convoy en route to Kiev is a “traffic jam” not a “convoy”
– The Russians intend to reduce Kiev to rubble, in the same way they did to Aleppo …
– They anticipate an insurgency that could be bigger than the one in Afghanistan
– They anticipate Hybrid Warfare “Ukrainian Style” …
– Ukraine has all the conditions for supporting an insurgency (Carpathian Mountains, external sponsors, etc …)
Geopolitical consequences:
– This will leave Europe much stronger (after they up their defense budgets)
– The Swedes and Finns will strengthen NATO by joining
– Russia will become a pariah state …
– Western power is decreasing. Russian power will be destroyed …
– Putin, for the first time in 22 years has placed his continued rule at risk …
Recommended next steps the US should take in Ukraine:
– Build insurgency networks within Ukraine
– Establish secure comms network to support the insurgency in Ukraine
– Establish supply networks within Ukraine
– Stop importing Russian Gas and Oil …
As for actual technical analysis, I fail to find any, just lots of “cope”. This from “top national security think tank in the world” …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 13 2022 14:08 utc | 321

@digital dinosaur | Mar 13 2022 0:52 utc | 209

BioWarfare Labs adjacent to Russia had me thinking – I wonder how many are adjacent to China (or Iran) and where are they?

Try Dilyana Gaytandzhieva’s 2018 article http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

Posted by: cirsium | Mar 13 2022 14:12 utc | 323

For the sake of argument, let’s pretend that Russian intelligence can compile an exhaustive register, what then?
And what then, summary execution? Disappearances? Trials? Internment camps?
Posted by: robin | Mar 13 2022 13:43 utc | 318
That is not even a question, anything would go.
But what AFTER then?
There are families, friends, etc.
And with almost lack of overarking “nation”/”empire”/”religion”/”ideology” – extended family becomes the basic found block of society. It was so in Soviet times, it only grue stronger.
Member of “my” extended family is alwaya innocent, is always dindunuffin. In 2014 there was a discussion how to deal with bullying russians, the context was about 2014 Odessa Massacre. Some Odessa citizens still were fearing either local avengers, or even official prosecution. One of girls, who was preparing napalm to burn dozens of men alive, was moved to Russia for safety. Unluckily for her, she proudly published her photos participating. The school class mates recognized her and started boycotting.
Her mother was very concerned how to put Russians in line and suppress their evilishness. As for her daughter participating in mass murder and then boasting of it – “stop channelling your hatred and need to accuse on my daughter! In her age we all did mistakes, me and you and everyone!”, and all her online friends pationately supported.
So, yes, in theory we could compile all pro-Nazi activity for every Ukrainians and calculate some nazi rank. Then set a threshold. If you scored 100 or more – get punishment…
And then it would go as in USSR.
All the family members and friends with ranks 99 and below would forever hate and accuse “evil Russians” for uncalled for violence towards their dinduniffin dear.
Some of them would in anger do something stupid and cross the rank threshold and be punished too. Which would stir even more vengenceful vitriol, and it would go round and round.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 14:25 utc | 325

But don’t for a minute think that these new hegemons will be any more virtuous and thoughtful, and any more interested in expanding fundamental human rights than the current Western flavor now destined to be in retreat from the many corners of the globe.
(…)
Sure! I hope that Ukraine “de-Nazifies”, but what does that mean exactly?
Posted by: Norogene | Mar 13 2022 1:41 utc | 220
Typical thoughts of someone who is completely unable to think that other people and other governments do not think like the neocons, do not think about hegemony, do not think to cheat, to lie and to steal, do not think to install secret military biological laboratories abroad, do not think to install military bases all over the world.
And human rights!? You dare write about the western human rights? To cheat, to lie, to steal and to kill. And never to be brought to justice for all those crimes. A world without western imperialism, without a US$, can only be a better world.
To denazify means just that. And obviously the job was not finished in 1945. It is time now and forever.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 14:26 utc | 327

The libido dominandi–desire to dominate–is a real thing, deeply embedded in human nature.
Posted by: WJ | Mar 13 2022 1:53 utc | 225
Woah, one more who knows everything about the human nature!
So I guess I am not human, for I have no desire to dominate. This desire to dominate is typical of the white europeans and is deeply linked with racism.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 14:36 utc | 329

@robin #294
Yes, it is a valid point that assuming Ukrainians will welcome Russian invaders with open arms is a big assumption.
However, that isn’t necessarily the assumption.
My view is that most Ukrainians are apolitical. Unless they are directly affected by the “invasion/military operation” – they could care less who is titularly in power.
Similarly, it is equally a mistake to say that the pre-2/24 Ukrainian government was “representative”.
As I’ve noted many times, the far-right/neo-Nazis garner under 5% of the vote, yet hold key positions in the Ukrainian government. They also have an outsize representation in the Ukrainian military and intelligence services.
As such, removal of this influence (and at least some of the influencers) would have the effect of changing the government of Ukraine to reflect whatever its people actually want as opposed to what the 5%/neo-Nazis want.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 14:44 utc | 331

More “why are we doing this” from the right:
Raging Toward the Abyss – National Interest

But we are not in some modern revival of that imagined morality play. We are in an intensifying escalatory spiral with a bitterly aggrieved nuclear power that, under the pressures of a stumbling military campaign and asphyxiating economic sanctions, may soon face a choice between accepting national humiliation and doing something we have long thought to be unimaginable: directly attacking a NATO member or even the United States.
Soviet leaders never faced such a dilemma. Contrary to popular myth, Kennedy did not simply force Khrushchev to back down in 1962 by threatening him with the prospect of American military attacks on Soviet missile installations in Cuba. He coupled that threat with a willingness to strike a face-saving bargain. The two leaders ended the crisis by trading the removal of those Soviet missiles for withdrawal of American medium-range missiles in Turkey and Italy, coupled with a U.S. pledge never to invade Cuba.

But still the failure to associate the “why” of Kruschev’s move in Cuba with the “because” of American missiles already emplaced in Europe…

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 14:46 utc | 333

“Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 14:44 utc | 331”
The best policy will be to split the country like it was done with Yugoslavia. To see the possibilities only to view the results here:
https://www.les-crises.fr/resultats-election-presidentielle-ukrainienne/

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 13 2022 14:50 utc | 335

@Misotheist | Mar 13 2022 14:25 utc | 327

Some US journo got offed in Kiev

https://t.me/intelslava/22223

New York Times journalist Brent Renaud died in the battle zone in Irpin, Kiev region. Another member of the media was injured.

https://t.me/intelslava/22227

Regarding the death of an American journalist. The character in the video says that he was killed during shelling in the area of Romanovka, which is located behind Irpen, which is controlled by Ukraine.
The journalist was shot in the head, which entered him right in the eye.
Given the area of death, I would have more faith in the version that the Volkssturm accidentally failed him, given several identical incidents when only by a lucky chance there were no journalists killed.
Two more journalists, including one American, were injured.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 14:53 utc | 337

A little bit of propaganda bites the dust. Journalist bullshit. Propaganda writer. Good riddance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 15:11 utc | 339

Latest Scott Ritter
Scott Ritter on Energy Intel

Biden and his European allies decided to drop their “Keep your friends close but your enemies closer” approach in favor of the opposite.
The mistake was to believe that bringing enough pain to bear on the Russian people would prompt a political backlash that could lead to Putin’s removal from power. But for this pain to bring meaningful domestic political change, Russia would need to retain some economic connectivity with the West. Otherwise, the pain would be intense, but short-lived.
Left to his own devices, Putin would never have been able to divorce Russia from the West, and thus insulate Russian society — and, by extension, his ability to govern — from Western sanctions. Here, the US and Europe are doing Putin a huge favor, with current sweeping sanctions giving him the ability to separate Russia from its economic association with the West without the politically fatal consequences of being seen to do this on his own volition.
Thanks to the US-led sanctions, Putin will now be able to neuter the Russian oligarch class for good. The sanctions have likewise politically neutralized that portion of the Russian middle class that was economically married to Western businesses, goods, services — and mystique.
Putin has been granted his divorce without so far paying any meaningful political price.

Spot on, IMO.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 15:30 utc | 341

@ Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 15:05 utc | 338… i wonder if it is even true..

Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 15:32 utc | 343

Make it clear that if they don’t publicly renounce nazism
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 13 2022 14:51 utc | 336
Oh, they would! They are pro in changing shoes in the middle of a jump.
Farion Irina – komsomol activist, now ardent nazi, will become Russia acitvist.
Kuchma was good loyal communist on surface – and then look how quickly he changed colours.
Some of them in soc-nets openly said “we will come to Russia to tech you how to love Russia”.
They chameleos will have no hesitation to kiss up, to pull subordinates from their ilk by all means, to repeat “aprty line” slogans with no shade of doubt, to enforce them into all branches of real life, no matter where they work or don’t. First they would pruge those non-believers in party line, who would express doubts and crititicism before unconditionalyl applying politicall correct decisions, then they would purge executive who did applied (and so those principles go boom) as saboteurs. By thsiartificial selection, they would nurture executives who loadly proclaim politically correct things, and then effect the opposite practical decision, and then are cunning enough to gaslight and prove how left=right. Later without a minute thought they would switch sides and do whatever helping their personal carriers.
Remember later USSR leadership. Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev…
Khruschev totally killed private enterprises and made famines come back. Today people express doubts, i he was just idiot Trostkyite, or western-controlled Tortskyite.
Brezhnev brought comfortable stagnation. Not bad, comparing to Khruschev, but not good, comparing with Chinese and American deveopment, we fallen behind.
Gorbachev just let devils out o the bottle without thinking if someone would control them.
No, Ukrainians in Moscow won’t do us much good.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 15:41 utc | 345

@Olivier #336
That is one possible policy outcome – a new Berlin Wall/split Kiev/split Ukraine along the Dniepr river. I will post on this presently.
However, it is not clear that the voting representation shown in the past Ukrainian elections is reflective.
Among other things: the oblast which Lvov resides in, used to be Poland prior to World War 2. There are a lot of Polish speakers. In the Western oblasts in general, there are a lot of people who speak Magyar, Slovakian, Polish etc.
To some or considerable extent, the rabidness of the Svoboda/neo-Nazi types is in reaction to this.
All that we can know for fairly certain is that the Svoboda/Pravy Sektor/neo Nazi types have power completely disproportionate to their electoral representation of <5%.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 13 2022 15:43 utc | 347

Re: de-Nazification
The Russians don’t have to kill all of the Nazis, just a lot of them. In particular the most violent and psychotic Nazis need to go. This is fortuitous as the most violent and psychotic Nazis will also be the ones with the strongest sense of their own exceptionalism and superiority, and will thus present themselves to the Russians for extermination in combat.
The rest of the Nazis don’t have to be exterminated. They just have to be shown that the Nazis are not the heroes and are not all-powerful. They just have to have their noses rubbed into the fact that Nazis are just psychotic dirtbags whose worth to humanity is less than that of a rabid dog. With this narrative in place the societal jetsam who would revere Nazis will self-censor and crawl under rocks where troglodytes like them belong.
The problem is not some people harboring the ideals of Nazism; the problem is them acting on these ideas. This, of course, is on top of the fact that the ideas that power fascism are entirely synthetic. The ideas that fascism is built around differ from population to population and demographic to demographic. Fascism ends up being built from whatever prejudices, fears, and mysticisms that big business mass media, NGOs, and churches can leverage to create a violent mob under their control. This is why you have fascist violence being committed by groups of every religion, even Jews and, surprisingly, even supposed Buddhists (Tibet, for example)!
What’s more, while religion helps, it isn’t even necessary for fascism. You just need some different demographic that can be scapegoated for the problems in society. For example, see “antifa” and their hatred for working class “deplorables”, as if those “deplorables” were the cause for the ills of western society.
Once the Nazis in the Ukraine are forcefully dis-empowered and laws are enacted forbidding the glorification of Nazis, like what Germany has, then the Ukrainian people themselves will keep the Nazis down. Textbooks will need to be rewritten to accurately portray what kind of monstrous scum people like Stepan Bandera were so children are not raised looking to them as heroes.
Ukrainians don’t have to love Russians to realize that they should hate Nazis. The current maelstrom of delusion and hysteria must simply be dispelled for them to reach that realization.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 13 2022 15:45 utc | 349

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 15:41 utc | 346
It doesn’t matter if they mean it or not. Once you’ve gotten a fanatic to stand up in public and show the other fanatics that he’s not as “committed” as they thought he was, disillusionment sets in among the followers.
Another thing that happens is that the real fanatics see the renouncer as a “traitor to the cause” and they deal with their own. The fearful renounce the ideology, the fanatics do the dirty work of mopping up the fearful.
So this is how one gets the power structure to turn against itself …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 13 2022 15:48 utc | 351

Magneto
Genetically targeted magnetic control of the nervous system
a protein that remotely controls brain and behaviour
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4846560/
Posted by: ld | Mar 13 2022 8:46 utc | 275
That is a gross misrepresentation. I read the study. This experiment has zero bearing on real world human mind control. It has nothing on the written word, for example.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 15:55 utc | 353

ps – the guy in @ 258 jens post has a tattoo as well….

Posted by: james | Mar 13 2022 16:04 utc | 355

Charles Peterson 278
Your summary of the number who died is this far unconvincing and a more detailed analysis would be in order.
Your treatment of collectivization as public policy rather than the genocide that it is. Genocide is when hegemon assimilates by force a large number of people who represent the same obstacle to your political aims. If, in the process of collectivizing the USSR, the USSR had to kill a number of market-based farmers still engaging in making their livelihood according to the pre-revolutionary old rules of the game, in order to assimilate (or imprison) the rest of them, THAT is a genocide by any definition of the word.
Ethnic cleansing is the forced relocation of a peoples.
Genocide is wiping a peoples off the face of the planet by deadly means, but that does NOT mean that all of them died; no, in most cases of genocide, as with the Uighers now, most of them just got assimilated by force; culture-changed, enslaved. During ‘collectivization,’ an agrarian peoples of human history got genocided — wiped off the face of the planet as a peoples — by intranational WAR. You can sanitize it by calling it collectivization if you, but know that doing so speaks volumes. One doesn’t have to subscribe or not subscribe to communism in order to see that.
The hegemonic industrial collectivization of an agricultural civilization requires genocide, Charles. Of all agrarian peoples. Which is exactly what Tolkien dedicated his life to writing about, for but one example of anti- industrial literature.
Yet you want to highlight how it was the last Russian famine thanks to collectivization. Well it had nothing to do with collectivization. It had everything to do with replacing living soil for growing plants with fossil fuels. The Haber-Bosch converting of fossil fuels (invented by the Third Reich) into nitrogen fertilizer so that plants could be spoonfed synthetic, laboratory ‘food’ so that people would then eat laboratory ‘food.’ And the former soil simply became dirt, an inert mineral structural medium with which to stand up the plants. And all that did was blow a massive human population bubble which is just about to burst. It didn’t stop the famines, it just saved up the famines for a few years after Peak Oil and stuck an exponent on the number.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 16:58 utc | 357

Did Russia really hit the Yavoriv military base on the Polish border?
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 13 2022 14:41 utc | 331
Now, if you can figure out that the scene shows “another unmistakable Tochka-U crater” then cannot NATO do the same? And what would NATO think of the Ukrainians wrecking their base and killing their trainers?
Unless the whole thing is a fake, nobody died and the craters created to provide visual effects to perpetrate this fake? But why fake this? Would a training ground for local military or freshly-arrived mercenaries not be a legitimate military target for Russia inside Ukrainian territory? Why kind of “false flag” is that?
If Russia didn’t do this, I think they might be proud to have done it and it might just have given them ideas.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Mar 13 2022 17:06 utc | 359

Biden wants Iranian oil. Israel hits Iranian officers – Iran hits Mossad within US consulate complex…. The US spider getting tangled in its own web of lies.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 13 2022 11:33 utc | 298
In the HTOE, Israel as we know it goes bye-bye (and becomes the new Switzerland) and Iran is freed from all sanctions. These current events you mention are laying the groundwork for the HTOE.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 17:18 utc | 361

There’s a lot of genocidal talk going on here right now.
You sick fucks. Don’t think for a minute that your sick fuckin souls won’t come back round to bite you and your loved ones in the ass. Because they will. You’ve been warned.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 17:34 utc | 363

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahhaha
Friendly neighborhood fascist and whitewasher of nazism cries and curses for fictional genocides!
On top of regurgitating nazi talking points, now it also regurgitates Radio Free Asia propaganda!
Seriously, you can’t make this shit up, it’s hilarious.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 13 2022 17:58 utc | 365

Well it had nothing to do with collectivization. It had everything to do with replacing living soil for growing plants with fossil fuels.
Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 16:58 utc | 358
That is interesting interpretation. So, genocide of Ukrainians constituted of the forced move of peasants (predominantly ukrainian, indeed) into cities (predominantly russian,jewish, greek, polish, germanic) where those Ukraininans would gradually forget their peasant culture and be assimilated.
But this, interesting indeed, interprettion is still troubled. The real policy of USSR was to destroy wide Russian culture (as natural competitor for their ideology of internationalism) and to replace it with Ukrainian, Belorussian, Kazakh or any other local-only small culture. What we see today is Ukraine is Soviet policy but implemented by unofficial Hóng Wèibīng methods. Where in USSR you would be oficially fired from work or officially imprisoned for failing to speak Ukrainian, in EuroUkraine you would meet formally unofficial “Red Guards” who would do the dirty work for the government.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/korenizatsya
Now, to the fertilizers point. It is troubled too.
It was showed for pre-Soviet times that peasants fallen into a vicious loop. They were breeding, then they had to split the same area of soil between more and more members of their billage or other society. As land strips grew smaller and smaller – peasants no more could afford themselves a cow, then a horse, than even a goat. A natural fertilizer of cattle feces was unavailable to most of peasants. The tradition of re-assign land strips every year did not help either. While it enforced “fair” distribution of available land acocrding to the number of family members, it also meant going out of your way to fertilize the land against all odds would with significant probability benefit someone else. So, from 19th century and towards 1930-s famines were coming back more and more often, as soil kept degrading and land patches grew yet smaller. Before Russian revolutions many peasants had to go work in cities for winter, to collect some money they would spend (waste?) on their village house and the land strips they lease from the village “world”. It was, in a sense, equilibrium. As land patches became too small – famine kicked in and killed excessive peasants. For few years land strips became larger and more or less sustainable. Until population grew and in 15-11 years next famine kicked in.
So, indeed, 20th century introduced farm tractors and harvesters and chemical fertilizers…
…but peasants, so impoverished they even could not sustain a single horse – do you realyl think they could purchase a farm tractor and all needed to mantain it? fossil fuels for it and for fertilizers production?
…if they will, what use would they have for it? If their land patch is too small for even using a horse/cow to plow, what use would be much more powerful gasoline tractor on it?
Without amalgamation and enlargement of land patches there could be no use for fertilizers and mechanization.
The amalgamation could be produced in two ways. Western way would be defarming: give peasants loans, make sure that peasant who refuse taking them loose markt race to peasants deeply indebted, then stop giving new loans and make them all bankrupt, then buy their landstrips for penny and create big private-owned enterprise, a latifundium, where some of those ex-peasants would find place as cheap season workers. “Sheep ate people” to borrow from UK. This path was tried by Stolypin, who called peasants to take some money and relocate to Far East. There, between China and Japan, there is so called “green triangle”, where many Ukrainian peasants indeed moved too. Maybe because they were inherently individualistic (see: Orest Subtelny’s line), or maybe becaus their life in Ukraine was so grim they were ready to go away at slightest a call. However, most of mid-Russia peasants did not moved and were fighting against Russian Empire attempts to individualize them.
USSR decided to play the other direction. Soviet gov’t way was first luring, then forcing peasants into cooperative ownership AND cultivation of their lands. Long-term collective ownership, traditional for Russia, should be extended and entrenched, to all-year collective ownership and acitvation, with the same goal of using mechanized tools and fertilizers, to radically increase production of “economical” food, that can be traded to cities in exchange of the said mechanization and chemistry.
…and while this “genocide” took place (assimilation of culture, actually, is neither about geno- nor about -cide) there were winter famines in all cities. Again, it is kind of under radar. For communists it in damned theme, as it showed their gov’t unable to ensure basic life support for “small people” all around the nation, which socialism ideology mandates as prime goal. For anti-communiosts it breaks a comfy picture of vile egoistical urban russians our of sheer greed preying upon kind altruistical rural ukrainians. However for a government, which assumed power, just inaction interlaced with “you are all dead because you were not competitive in market” was not an option. They needed to stop city famines. Especially as cities would be required strong to produce industrial output for the sake of both civic and military vehicles. USSR was prepping for yet another pan-European assault on eastern barbarians. Kremlin just could not afford “famines as usual” without industrialization but with ongoing financialization of villages. It did require assimilation and “reformatting” of individualistic single-family farms culture. Soft means to do it failed, and ironfisted ways were brought. Under some definitions this, perhaps, indeedwould be genocide (but NOT genocide of ukrainians and not genocide as murder), under other it was responsibiltiy to protect

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 18:26 utc | 367

So you convene tens of millions of Ukrainians for a body examination. What if they don’t all show up? Damn, now they need to be smoked out at home. So you kick down every door
Posted by: robin | Mar 13 2022 17:22 utc | 363
Why? Even focusing on tatoo (which is questionable metric) you do not have to “kick doors”.
We can just take a page fro mwestern playbook.
Let’s start with Baltic institute of uncirizenship.
For starters, some new state is declared. Indeed, why should liberated ground pay out crazy debts of Yatzenyuk and Poroshenko? Remember “bribes to Yanukovich” concept? Good, creative, we approve.
So all the debts taken by Ukraine between 2014 and 2022 are to be paid by Yatz-the-guy and friends, up to Ze-comic.
For this formality to proceed some small Ukraine is left to exist somewhere in the West. It als would serve as a magnet for Nazi to voluntarily move out to, thus relieving us from need to punish them.
As for other people, if they want to have work, healthcare, rights protection, anything in the new state – they have to get new citizenship.
And to plea for this new citizenship they would have to commit to some standards, in particular – if that has any practical use – to plea new gov’t to watch over their body and attest their clean skin. Or they might remain uncitizens. There was some infamous banderiite who was hiding from Soviet gov’t after 1945 and until 1970-s. He was considered dead and he never stepped out of his village house so no one could see him. Way to go.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 18:35 utc | 369

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 13 2022 14:41 utc | 331

Did Russia really hit the Yavoriv military base on the Polish border?

Ok, Russia says they did it.
> But why would Russia send a … missile 1000 km away just to dig a hole in the ground?
To test and demonstrate the accuracy of the Iskander ballistic missile. The point of impact is within 1 meter from where the 360° “street view” image was taken. They must be studying this data very carefully in NATO command bunkers.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 13 2022 18:44 utc | 371

@Petri Krohn | Mar 13 2022 18:44 utc | 372

To test and demonstrate the accuracy of the Iskander ballistic missile. The point of impact is within 1 meter from where the 360° “street view” image was taken. They must be studying this data very carefully in NATO command bunkers.

Very interesting observation wrt. the impact point! I guess the use of Iskander ballistic missile is inferred from the deep crater?

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 19:18 utc | 373

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2022 19:18 utc | 374
I’d speculate that any ballistic missile would, perhaps, do something like that: dive deep into the soil and blast there underground, throughing soil up to the air, so why the crater is so deep – underground blust

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 13 2022 19:41 utc | 375

waynorinorway @283–
That’s very interesting and if true extremely important. There might be something about it in the corresponding years of the FRUS (Foreign Relations of the USA) where interesting bits of info that would usually be classified can be discovered. Here’s an index that has the volumes from 1861-1976, that would include the Hoover years and Truman years. Some diligent, time consuming searching might uncover something useful.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 21:13 utc | 377

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2022 20:56 utc | 377

too scents @289–
Thanks for posting that short essay by Apparatchik. She scratches the surface of the ugly cancer at the root of the global crisis.

Someone posted this the other day (I couldn’t find who did, but would like to thank them for it). It also digs back in time.
“>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YF0H5fnvis

Posted by: Seer | Mar 14 2022 17:51 utc | 379