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March 06, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-22

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@Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 6 2022 22:15 utc | 183

Going hybrid would have made sense a couple of years ago. Especially in China (with a massive network of high speed trains for distance travel) and Europe (much lower travel distances than the US) a battery-only vehicle makes sense. In the US, people tend to drive much farther distances but the increasing EV ranges are quickly removing that problem.

Battery tech and costs are moving very quickly, so you need to stay on top of it if you don't want to be completely out of date with your knowledge level.

Just some of the models being released in 2022, the market is moving way faster than most ICE producers are ready for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDTf2d47P4A

Posted by: Roger | Mar 6 2022 22:54 utc | 201

uncle tungsten @192--

there may be no return to anything like the old normal

As I continue to announce, that is THE Main Feature of the Putin Doctrine--it's creative destruction. But despite the growing pile of evidence proving that fact, the formulation of a new doctrine continues to be ignored as if it's impossible for such a thing to occur.

For years, commentators would intone--If you don't/won't listen to Lavrov & Putin, then you'll be forced to listen to Mr. Shoigu. Now, that's precisely what's happening. Putin and Lavrov stated over and again what Russia's security requirements are, but the West barely listened and refused to negotiate. Those requirements remain the same and won't be repeated but are now left for Mr. Shoigu to implement via armed facts on the ground that have the potential to go beyond Ukraine unless NATO behaves and retreats.

For the life of me, I can't understand why it's so damn hard to see that occurring, along with the fact that several well-respected analysts are saying the same thing, which I cite to add credibility to my analysis. And this is occurring globally--the Outlaw US Empire is going to be dethroned and a new international financial and commercial system will emerge along with long needed reforms of the UN System.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 22:56 utc | 202

@Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 22:48 utc | 199

I assume you live in North America? In Europe and China, things are very different.

Due to the efficiency of EV engines, the electricity supply in the US would need to increase only about 20% to supply the required electricity. Also, you can charge your car overnight with a home charger.

This space is moving very, very fast. Do not make assumptions - especially for Europe and China. Of course, current oil prices will help the transition.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 6 2022 22:59 utc | 203

Peter AU1 #124

I read something about Russia will be announcing counter sanctions in a few day. EU countries have shown their colours, especially Germany The Biden admin trying desperately now to secure oil from Venezuela and Iran. This is going to be good to watch.

Given the 'ethics' on display from the USA, they will bypass Australia and purchase all the oil needed from East Timor. That will save then any need to address 'issues' with Venezuela. The US would not give a sh!t transporting oil from halfway across the planet.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 23:00 utc | 204

@Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 22:56 utc | 202

The US and European elites have spent three decades drinking their own koolaid, plus you have the neocon warhawks like Blinken and Sullivan embedded in senior positions. Cognitive Dissonance and Denial are two tough psychological processes to overcome, with the Western elite they may need to be punched in the face multiple times before they "get it".

In addition, any alteration to current Western policy will lead to losses for some parts of the elites - and the elites seem to be unable to come to an agreed consensus that includes sharing the required losses. Instead they will be forced to take bigger losses in the long run.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 6 2022 23:04 utc | 205

Posted by: Activist Potato | Mar 6 2022 19:55 utc | 129


Thanks. Pour me a Lagavulin, please. It has a way of filtering out the dross from the MSM.

Lagavulin! Mmmm. Make mine a double please. There is much dross to filter.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 6 2022 23:09 utc | 206

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 22:56 utc | 202

Your analysis is more than enough. People are stupid. This is happening regardless of alternative realities.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Mar 6 2022 23:10 utc | 207

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 6 2022 21:14 utc | 158

I tend to agree. I think the whole bogus "Wuhan lab leak theory' has predisposed people to assume that any bio research lab is making bioweapons. Certainly it's possible that Ukrainian and Georgian labs were doing something nefarious, but we need solid evidence. OTOH, if that rumor that Ukraine was fitting drones to deliver chemical/bio agents is true, that is going to raise some questions about where they got the agents and who was behind that. Give that the US has a long history of this crap, that could come home to roost.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:11 utc | 208

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 6 2022 16:25 utc | 52

"The BBC is spreading information on how to commit suicide."

Video on Intel Slava Z showing around 7 or 8 dead civilians cut to pieces by heavy machine gun fire from some armoured vehicles. This is in a wooded area & they thought the trees would offer them protection. The trees have been turned into matchsticks. Plenty of unused Molotov cocktails around the dead.

Early on Putin came out said that the people who were giving out weapons to civilians will be held accountable.
I wonder if this BBC idiot will ever feel any remorse?

Posted by: ted001 | Mar 6 2022 23:14 utc | 209

bevin #195

The US has been "supporting" the "Far right" in the Ukraine since (about) 1990/1991.
Willy2@80
Try March 1945

Thank you and even back in the time of the rise of Marx and Engels works. I am sure a little digging will reveal Henry Ford enthusiastically supporting the 'German miracle' economics advocated by Adolf Hitler and his forebears in the 1930's.

As for the USA just consider the US Union Movement and the work of Joe Hill.

Paul Robeson took time off on a visit to Australia to address the workers building the Sydney Opera House on the vital role of the union movement and the anti fascist cause. He sang this song to the comrades.

In Australia the Nazi propagandists were hard at it in the 1930's sponsoring youth study tours to Germany through its agent the Lutheran Church. One of its cheerleaders went on to become the Premier of a state. This was even after being under an early form of house arrest during WWII as a Nazi sympathiser/propagandist.

You can bet the pro Nazi cancer has been metastasizing for the past century at least.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 23:18 utc | 210

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 6 2022 21:26 utc | 161

Just read that. I'm confused by the fact that blood draw only is being done, but the article makes a point about "deaths". I wonder whether those "death reporting" features are just standard boilerplate inserted into any biological pathogen research grant proposals. The article admits that the blood draws can't cause death, but where is the evidence that any deaths did occur? Deaths are alleged to have occurred in a Georgian lab, but it's not explicated how and when and why.

It's clear that a bunch of NATO countries have been selected for bio-research, which itself is suspicious, but beyond that there is no clear evidence of "weaponizing" that research, any more than there is in the Wuhan labs. It strike me that a lot of this reporting is "connect the dots" reporting without hard evidence. But then I admit I have not been following it in any great detail. Perhaps more evidence exists that I'm not aware of.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:19 utc | 211

Richard Steven Hack and Arioch

for a long time, Russia simply asked US what was the purpose of the Pentagon funded labs all around their borders.
I think the Russia China joint statement was the First time Russia officialy (and publicly) accused US of using them as bio weapons labs and that was also China's official position.
This first official and public accusation came shortly after Russia and the CTSO countries secured various site in Kazakhstan including a Pentagon funded lab. I think there will be more to come on this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 23:20 utc | 212

Posted by: watcher | Mar 6 2022 21:30 utc | 163

War crimes by military forces is so commonplace I'm surprised it gets reported at all. Numerous cases against Special Forces in Afghanistan, SEALS, not to mention all the crap that went on in Iraq. Why would Australia be left out of the fun?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:22 utc | 213

karlof1 #202

--the Outlaw US Empire is going to be dethroned and a new international financial and commercial system will emerge along with long needed reforms of the UN System.

Thank you and I support your contention - the tide has turned and the Canutes are wandering around on the beach shouting at the waters to go away and get back to where they came from and and and

pathetic wretches these canutes screaming out their lungs with threats of hot air, robes of invisible thread, brains of remnant leaded drinking water.

Welcome to the new world order. May it be the total destruction of the nazi loving, oligarch worshiping old order.

Stay well and lucid brother karlof.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 23:24 utc | 214

Circe @ 121
If, circumspect, you were equating his demeanor to tame, then I agree because he appeared relaxed and much to my surprise actually has the capacity of laughter.

I was and this was not his usual war rhetoric. What shocked me was the statement that Russia could take all the Black Sea coast and Eastern Ukraine and Europe will want to get back to business as usual after its over.

He is pure NEOCON. What was he signaling to the Russian Government with that interview? Smoke and mirrors or reality? Cannot answer that one.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 6 2022 23:28 utc | 215

Posted by: Political Atheist | Mar 6 2022 21:37 utc | 165

Thanks for the link. The site appears to be a mostly unbiased "he said, she said" recap of the situation. On first reading, useful for people not up to speed on the complexities. What the MSM should be doing, but aren't.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:31 utc | 216

Posted by: Luke | Mar 6 2022 19:02 utc | 103

Thank you. That Anti-Spiegel article is magnificent!

Posted by: Jonathan W | Mar 6 2022 23:32 utc | 217

Uh oh.

RT says the russian MOD says.

Ukies preparing to sabotage Kharkov institute of technology nuclear reactor.

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:36 utc | 218

Regarding the bioweapons conversation.

Biological weapons do not actually exist.

The two categories of 'bioweapons' are a class of microorganisms and the toxic metabolites that that class of microorganisms produce.

Wait, there are 'three' classes. The third is viruses. But if you were paying attention during the pandemic and didn't miss out on the growth opportunity that it presented, you would now know that viruses
-- as submicroscopic terrorist hijackers without boxcutters -- don't actually exist. The corona has never actually been observed to exist in reality, so it's genome was invented whole cloth by computer algorithms. Before algos existed, for another example, virologists argued for more than three decades over what the polio genome should be, and the argument was only settled when computers came along lol. That's virology for you!

Obviously 'viruses,' which are just cellular debris and/or exosomes, the latter of which are protein-based particles produced by cells for intercellular messaging purposes, structurally have no functional capabilities whatsoever because they are just strands of proteins preserved in fat. Any enzymes they may have embedded in their lipid membranes are also non-functional in and of themselves. Everything else that we know about reality makes it obvious that these inert particles can't hijack our cells' functions.

Another category of so-called 'bioweapons,' microorganisms, are also not weaponizeable. The class of microbes in question -- anaerobes (and functional anaerobes also) -- cannot cause disease. If you were paying attention during the plandemic then you would now know that Germ Theory is totally false. Anaerobes,no matter how intensively they are bred in a lab, by definition cannot hurt healthy cells and tissues of aerobic organisms such as humans, because aerobic and anaerobic organisms occupy totally different ecological niches. An anaerobes cannot be near healthy, aerobic tissues unless it is in its dormant, protected state; and so they are: our bodies have billions if not trillions of dormant anaerobes in them at all times.

We cannot live without anaerobes. They lie dormant in us so that when we experience physical trauma or disease (same thing) that causes cellular death, the anaerobes wake up from dormancy because the dead cells are no longer being oxygenated by the blood and they putrefy, turning anaerobic. Anaerobic, dead cells are food for anaerobic microbes. Thank goodness for them, because by eating the dead cells they decompose them, thereby 'taking out the trash.'

'Weaponizing' anaerobes isn't practically possible. Aerosolizing them would force them into their dormant state. If we breathed in aerosolized concentrates of anaerobes and we weren't having any respiratory issues at the time, nothing would happen. They would just get gathered up by our mucous function and get transported up the mucosal elevator to our mouths like any other particulate, and either spat out or swallowed. The latter means they'd get shit out.

If we were having respiratory issues (tissue death) then the 'bioweapon' anaerobes would just be competing with the resident anaerobes, and the additional number wouldn't make a difference because the supply of active anaerobes during respiratory disease is always going to grow to meet the available food supply (dead cells). And once the dead tissue that the body has killed off, due to a localized respiratory trauma, has been eaten, aerobic condition are restored and the anaerobes die or go dormant again, and most of them head up the mucosal elevator.

This brings us to the third category of so-called 'bioweapons' in the toxins that anaerobes produce when they eat purifying mammal cells. Anaerobes produce toxic metabolites because they are eating putrifying meat. These metabolites, many of which are alcohols, are caustic and they cause localized inflammation. But the beauty of the toxic metabolites is that they are now bioavailable to our body's filter system, so that they can be excreted.

Making weapons by making liquid concentrations of these toxic metabolites is absolutely possible and I don't doubt they do it because these weapons would be stealth weapons that can't really be traced easily especially if it's a diversified cocktail because these toxic metabolites are found in large concentrations in all people who die if acute disease. But these weapons should not properly be called 'bioweapons' because they are byproducts of biology and biologically alive themselves (just like 'viruses'). What they should be called are biochemical weapons.

The only plausible weapons these labs can make are biochemical weapons. And these would not be large-scale weapons systems. They would be more for hit jobs.

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 23:37 utc | 219

Did I say pandemic?


I do apologize. I meant plandemic.

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 23:39 utc | 220

Uh oh.

RT says the russian MOD says.

Ukies preparing to sabotage Kharkov institute of technology nuclear reactor

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:36 utc | 218

Sputnik carries it too, adds the SBU into it, says 6 western journalists were pre-shipped

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:39 utc | 221

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 22:11 utc | 180

Speaking of which, guess which country with an antipathy to China runs a BSL4 bio-research lab run by the military. Hint: They get some military support from the US and are only a hundred or so miles away from China's mainland.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:39 utc | 222

Those documents were not referenced by RuMoD yet, for the best of my knowlegde.
Also, them do not constitute proof but a plausible suspicion.
Posted by: Arioch | Mar 6 2022 22:22 utc | 188

It is a fact that the USA are sponsoring researches on bio-weapons. The proof was done in 2001 with the use of anthrax.

The evidence is overwhelming, and you are nitpicking for a proof. Your pretention is disinformation.

"The received documents confirm that in the Ukrainian biological laboratories [...] the development of biological weapons components was carried out."

So please, stop being disingenuous.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/24/us-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-what-will-russia-find-in-the-labs/

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 6 2022 23:42 utc | 223

Uh oh.

RT says the russian MOD says.

Ukies preparing to sabotage Kharkov institute of technology nuclear reactor

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:36 utc | 218

Sputnik carries it too, adds the SBU into it, says 6 western journalists were pre-shipped

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:39 utc | 221

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13989709

TASS.RU FOR FUCK'S SAKE

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:44 utc | 224

Richard Steven Hack, welcome back to the bar. You were missed.

Posted by: RJPJR | Mar 6 2022 23:46 utc | 225

"In Telegram trying to access https://t.me/swentr, and I get "This channel can't be displayed because it violated local laws.""

Can't you just use a VPN?

Posted by: ian | Mar 6 2022 23:46 utc | 226

Olivier | Mar 6 2022 23:42 utc | 223

Wrong link for a reference. Veterans today is filed in the fiction section of a library.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 23:46 utc | 227

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 6 2022 22:11 utc | 181

Could be, I suppose. I certainly wouldn't put it past the US and NATO to essentially assume command from a distance of the Ukie military. But it won't take long for the Russians to figure that out and take countermeasures, which should be relatively easy. Committing more drones, for instance, would enable more precise detection of Ukie movements, resulting in Ukie armor being trashed by long-range weapons.

In the end, it won't matter. The Ukie military has to engage or they lose. When they engage, they are subject to being trashed, so they only attack Russian reconnaissance formations. The only way they survive is to huddle in cities, and that limits their maneuver. If they can't maneuver, they lose. A few Ukie AD systems and some MANPADs aren't going to solve this basic problem. All it can do is marginally raise Russian casualties which won't change Russia's calculus one iota.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:47 utc | 228

Biological weapons do not actually exist.
Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 23:37 utc | 219

Troll.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 6 2022 23:49 utc | 229

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:39 utc | 222

A bit of trivia from the Kazakh lab. Amongst other nasties to be found in the area was a bat coronavirus reasonable close to the one thats been doing the rounds. That turned up when I looked into the Kazakh lab.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 23:50 utc | 230

I apologize, I posted this in a stale thread a few seconds ago, but meant for it here...

I greatly enjoy following A.Martynov, but find he is probably a bit overly optimistic about Russian capabilities. Not that they don't have them, but rather that their armed forces need to be applied *very* efficiently (which they certainly have been to date, given the relatively small size of the expeditionary force they have used to date in Ukr) They have done wonders with what they have, but NATO has also had eight years to prepare for this and I have no doubt they are providing Ukr with valuable operational intelligence, and this occasionally has let to Russian setbacks, and likely will continue to do so.

It seems to me that *the* most important area right now is the cauldron with the troops that were threatening the Donbass. If the Russians can bring to bear their TOS and heavy weaponry and smash the shit out of those Ukr plus their NATO advisors, that will finish things off. If the Russian + friends can take Mariupol/Kiev/Kharkov, that would work too but the hostage approach by the Ukr Nazis makes that difficult. Think Breslan on a huge scale.

As for Russia being in a hurry, it would be a HUGE mistake for Putin to sue for peace right now (unless things are really worse for Russia that appears and he must). NATO/Ukr has "shot their wad" so to speak - the Russians really need to see this all the way through, including taking Odessa, and (I wish I wish) turn Galicia in to Syria and have wave after wave of Ukr Galicians flood Poland as a reward for Poland's stupidity in fomenting this crisis...

Quick observation on the Polish Soviet aircraft donations - I would worry that NATO wants to try out their F35's to drum up some sales (fear not, the Israelis now claim they've used F35 to knock out Iranian drones, first airtoair win by the F35 they say!!), and now NATO/Ukr may try hiding F35 attacks behind fake or drones MiG29s, like the Azeris/Turks did in Nagorno-Karabahk, using radio controlled AN-2 biplanes (wasting those magnificent aircraft a true crime against humanity!)just now butmeant to have it here...

I greatly enjoy following Martynov, but find he is probably a bit over optimistic about Russian capabilities. Not that they don't have them, but rather that their armed forces need to be applied *very* efficiently (which they certainly have been to date, given the relatively small size of the expeditionary force they have used to date in Ukr) They have done wonders with what they have, but NATO has also had eight years to prepare for this and I have no doubt they are providing Ukr with valuable operational intelligence, and this occasionally has let to Russian setbacks, and likely will continue to do so.

It seems to me that *the* most important area right now is the cauldron with the troops that were threatening the Donbass. If the Russians can bring to bear their TOS and heavy weaponry and smash the shit out of those Ukr plus their NATO advisors, that will finish things off. If the Russian + friends can take Mariupol/Kiev/Kharkov, that would work too but the hostage approach by the Ukr Nazis makes that difficult. Think Breslan on a huge scale.

As for Russia being in a hurry, it would be a HUGE mistake for Putin to sue for peace right now (unless things are really worse for Russia that appears and he must). NATO/Ukr has "shot their wad" so to speak - the Russians really need to see this all the way through, including taking Odessa, and (I wish I wish) turn Galicia in to Syria and have wave after wave of Ukr Galicians flood Poland as a reward for Poland's stupidity in fomenting this crisis...

Quick observation on the Polish Soviet aircraft donations - I would worry that NATO wants to try out their F35's to drum up some sales (fear not, the Israelis now claim they've used F35 to knock out Iranian drones, first airtoair win by the F35 they say!!), and now NATO/Ukr may try hiding F35 attacks behind fake or drones MiG29s, like the Azeris/Turks did in Nagorno-Karabahk, using radio controlled AN-2 biplanes (wasting those magnificent aircraft a true crime against humanity!)

Posted by: Simplicius | Mar 6 2022 23:52 utc | 231

Posted by: Abe | Mar 6 2022 22:47 utc | 197

The Galicia region may not be included in the new Ukraine. I think it will, but maybe it won't. However, it will be invaded by Russia as part of the de-Nazification process. Those Ukrainians fleeing to Lvov are going to be surprised when the Russian military surrounds it and the Chechens come in. They're going to have to flee to Poland. Russia is not going to allow any neo-Nazis anywhere they can reach without violating NATO's borders.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:54 utc | 232

The only reason to nuke Ukraine- again (Chernobyl) would be to poison the largest black earth soil in the world.

Who would be dumb enough to think that was a great idea for their children?

The media lockdown is funny, is it to do with the rumours of chemical and biological weapons being talked about? Would explain presence of teletubbie suit U.K. ‘expert’ De Bretton Gordon there in reports.

Why should there be censorship if we got nothing to hide? Can’t trust us to make up our own minds 🙃

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 6 2022 23:56 utc | 233

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 23:20 utc | 212

When it comes, I'll assess it. Right now, I'm suspicious, but unconvinced by evidence to date. But as I said, I'm not following this that closely, so there may be evidence I'm not aware of.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:58 utc | 234

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 23:00 utc | 204

"Given the 'ethics' on display from the USA, they will bypass Australia and purchase all the oil needed from East Timor. That will save then any need to address 'issues' with Venezuela. The US would not give a sh!t transporting oil from halfway across the planet."

There might be somewhere closer to the US. From Feb 2019 so not sure what the situation is today...

What’s Not Being Said About the Venezuela Oil War

Posted by: ted001 | Mar 6 2022 23:59 utc | 235

Russia to view provision of military airfields to Kiev as involvement in conflict
"Almost all mission capable aviation of the Kiev regime was destroyed" Igor Konashenkov said
https://tass.com/defense/1417967

"Almost all mission capable aviation of the Kiev regime was destroyed. At the same time, we are reliably aware of Ukrainian combat aircraft that earlier flew to Romania and other border countries. We would like to note that use of the airfield network of these states for basing of Ukrainian combat aviation with further use against Russian Armed Forces can be treated as involvement of these states in the armed conflict," Konashenkov said.

Well, there it is - an indirect Russian threat to attack Polish airfields if they continue to support Ukraine. My guess is Poland will now intern those Ukrainian jets as Iran did the Iraqi jets that fled there in 1991 IIRC. If they think NATO can save them, they're in for a world of hurt.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 0:07 utc | 236

I think there will be more to come on this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 23:20 utc | 212

There may come. I said from get got, it is possible Russia has more documents than published yet. But - i can only comment on what was published.

I think the whole bogus "Wuhan lab leak theory' has predisposed people to assume that any bio research lab is making bioweapons.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 23:11 utc | 208

I feel it would not be enough. The amazing thing about Covid is that all gov't in th world started running like scared chicked without head, chaotically throwing here and there, clearly very firghtened by something that they could not even clearly understand/predict.

Fraknly, it looked like some ghost/maniac movie, like a schoolgirl was challengeed to spend night in school building, and now she randomly racing through empty dark corridors totally overwhelmed by panic. Except it was not some one girl, but almost all gov'ts acted like that.

I may speculate that initial idea was to frame China economically and blackmail huge ransom of them. There clearly were moves towards this. Trump's pipe dream to force all companies to abandone their assets in China and relocate production facilitis to USA - the only way to do it would be somehow making anything located in China unprofittable now and ever.

But then it seems Covid spin was hi-jacked and repurposed from focused anti-China operation to a world-wide unbundling of global trade. After lockdowns became global the global mexican standoff became paradoxial: any nation that would unilaterally go out of hiatus would loose big. Any nation that would unilaterally go full production would overproduce their export goods (sinking the price) and would create big unsupplied demand for their import goods (skyrocketing the prices), and that would run the nation into bankruptsy, unless they dive back into lockdown. Basically the only way of that mutual lock became autarkish. Nations (or blocks of) had to restart their economies in a carefully preplanned method that would keep foreign trade in low "covidded" rate regardless of domestic economiy speeding up.
Basically all the nations had to learn becoming less global and more autonomous - or be trapped in covid halt forever.

And for post-2014 Kremlin that was the best thing after sliced bread. Suddenly Kremlin was in position to be severing ties with Western economy and be lauded for it not blamed. What not to like here?

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 0:14 utc | 237

I greatly enjoy following A.Martynov, but find he is probably a bit overly optimistic about Russian capabilities.

Posted by: Simplicius | Mar 6 2022 23:52 utc | 231

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I think so as well and get the same out from reading Russian POV on twitter. It seems like Russia - like any other country - has very vocal "Russia very stronk" crowd, "everything is on purpose, Russia very stronk" doesnt do any mistake.

Russia planning was obiously based on easily taking the big cities with a Russian majority close to the border like Kharkov. They rushed a tiny VDV helicopter drop to Gostomel airport near Kiev. When Kiev didnt surrender, Russia needed 1-2 days to relief the VDV group at Gostomel. But from that point onwards Russia learned: It did not get bogged down in urban fighting at Kharkov or Sumy, but circumvented big cities to move along the highways. Now the Russian army is threatening the Ukrainian Donbass front from the rear. Dnipro is the last way out. Western "analysts" are still mocking Russian capabilities: They expected a thundering combined arms attack that would quickly overwhelm the Ukrainian army. From their POV, Russia has been doing badly. That is obviously wrong as well. While it is not a thundering attack on all fronts, the strategic initiative is clearly with Russia. Ukraine can only react. Each passing day the conditions for peace become worse and worse for Ze.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 7 2022 0:14 utc | 238

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2022 22:17 utc | 185

Yes of course it was. I must have been having a seniors moment - actually I was!! Now I am getting seriously worried about my brain.

Yes it is Stewart Roberts-Smith. Look it up. But you are in Australia so it is all over the news- or was.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 7 2022 0:16 utc | 239

Uh oh.

RT says the russian MOD says.

Ukies preparing to sabotage Kharkov institute of technology nuclear reactor

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:36 utc | 218

Sputnik carries it too, adds the SBU into it, says 6 western journalists were pre-shipped

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:39 utc | 221

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13989709

TASS.RU FOR FUCK'S SAKE

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 6 2022 23:44 utc | 224

Goodnight. Just in case, it's been a pleasure.

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 7 2022 0:18 utc | 240

@Les7 #149

"I wonder if Putin's 20 ft table meetings with Westerners is connected to what was going on in the biolabs?"

I vividly recall the speculation (100% presented as such) by a very knowledgeable and long-time member here about the possibility of fast progressing cancers being possibly created by a bioweapon and the apparent coincidence of many "enemies" such as Chavez succumbing to such. There was also that suspicious incident a few years ago involving DPRK's Kim (their government released a great deal of detail about an attempted (?) bio-attack on Kim, and note his subsequent loss of weight.

Posted by: Billb | Mar 7 2022 0:18 utc | 241

@ karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 22:56 utc | 202.... what kind of time frame are you looking at for these speculative dimensions to come to fruition? thanks...

@ Arne Hartmann | Mar 7 2022 0:14 utc | 237... nice brief summary.. i share your outlook... thanks...

so covid never came out of a bioweapons lab at fort detrick??

Posted by: james | Mar 7 2022 0:18 utc | 242

Posted by: RJPJR | Mar 6 2022 23:46 utc | 225

I was "missed" because people couldn't fire any more crap at me. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 0:19 utc | 243

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 23:37 utc | 219

So what caused all those smallpox deaths? Stupid as. Beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: watcher | Mar 7 2022 0:23 utc | 244

Posted by Watcher 163

Uncle Tungsten and Peter Au1 have this covered. You are referring to Ben Roberts - Smith VC.

I think he will loose this case.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-28/ben-roberts-smith-trial-hears-more-evidence-from-afghanistan/100856732

This is very disgraceful.

Posted by: Paul | Mar 7 2022 0:23 utc | 245

If you read or watch corporate media you learn two things:

1. Russia is not progressing well in this war.
2. Russia is cruelly trampling over the Ukrainian military and slaughtering civilians as an added insult.

You are not supposed to notice that these claims are inconsistent.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 0:25 utc | 246

@235 The ever-resourceful Blinken has come up with a plan to get those Polish jets working in Ukraine. Ukrainian pilots may already be lining up to fly used Polish MIGs against experienced Russian pilots. It will be a case of learning on the job.


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/597056-sending-polish-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-gets-a-green-light-says

Posted by: dh | Mar 7 2022 0:29 utc | 247

NATO LAPTOP IMAGES

At the 2:05 minute mark "NATO IT Asset #:189736".

This utoob is in Russian from Crimea so turn on english subtitles to read the report if english is your language. This is a reliable site for 2x daily reports.

I am looking forward to seeing the Biological Weapons evidence and trials.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 0:30 utc | 248

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 6 2022 20:57 utc | 152


Will the west start sinking those Chinese tankers at open seas then?

There is no need for the tankers to sail the "open seas."

Russia can load cargoes in the north and then transit to unload at Vladivostok.

Russia's coastline accounts for 53 percent of the Arctic Ocean coastline and covers the Barents Sea, Kara Sea, Laptev Sea, and East Siberian Sea. The entirety of the transit would take place within Russian territorial waters along the Northern Sea Route. The main point of exposure would be in La Perouse Strait which is an international waterway shared with Japan.

There are 10 Russian oilfields within 200 k of the Yamal Peninsula. See the following link for the size of each field:
https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Reserve-volume-oil-fields-Russia-Arctic.jpg

China has a pipeline under construction by China Petroleum Pipeline Bureau. This will extend across China, reaching Shanghai. The pipeline also will feed a planned LNG plant in Primorsky Krai, producing liquefied natural gas for export to Japan, and a proposed petrochemical complex.

Russia already operates tankers designed for arctic operations. Known as "double acting tankers" these use a normal bulbous bow for operation in open water. On encountering ice, the vessel is about shipped and proceeds into the ice stern first. The stern is designed and strengthened to break ice.

Utilizing the Northern Sea Route year round will require an enlarged tanker fleet. This is a positive development for both Russian, Chinese, and South Korean yards. I am sorry to hear that Norway's Aker Yards, Europe's biggest shipyard, is now owned by Korean interests. Aker built great products. I have ridden out severe storms with confidence on one and have crash landed twice on another without problem.

Pass the Lagavulin. It brings back memories.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 7 2022 0:32 utc | 249

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 6 2022 23:50 utc | 230

Interesting. Some people have been wondering if the coronavirus hadn't originated elsewhere than in China. The Chinese raised that possibility back in 2020, IIRC. I never put any stock in it because the outbreak was clearly in China. However, the presence of a BSL4 lab in Taiwan run by the military raises a lot of possibilities - one being did Taiwan deliberately produce and introduce it into China? IIRC Taiwan handled the outbreak fairly well. They kept it suppressed under a zero-Covid policy until 2021 when Delta and then Omicron took off - perhaps they didn't allow for a serious mutation. Motivations would include getting the rest of the world to blame China - which is exactly what Trump did.

All speculative conspiracy theory, of course. But just as plausible as a Wuhan lab leak.

No one doubts the US conducts biowarfare research. No doubt these labs scattered all over the world are occasionally used for such. But without hard evidence, not "connect the dots" evidence, nothing is going to be proven.

It's the same with the Wuhan lab. If the Chinese really did do the necessary research on live viruses and one leaked, the Chinese will never allow anyone to find the proof. So unless a Wuhan Lab whistleblower comes forward with verifiable documents, no one is ever going to know. That's why I mostly ignore all the overblown hype from Greenwald and Dore about this issue. So far there is either zero evidence or "connect the dots" evidence.

Without hard evidence, flogging these things is a waste of time. The article I just read at Tass says this:

We will share the results of the analysis of the documents we have received in the near future. Some of them, in particular the Ukrainian health ministry’s instruction to destroy pathogens and certificates of completion from the Kharkov and Poltava biolaboratories we are publishing right now," he said.

Until we see future analyses, this statement doesn't prove a biowarfare program. It proves a bioresearch program on dangerous pathogens. That's it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 0:33 utc | 250

dh #246

I guess the Polish people living next door to the airbases will deny they ever heard a plane noise at all. Just like Auschwitz neighbouring villagers were blissfully unaware of those silent trains and constant smoke in 1940 ++.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 0:34 utc | 251

@William Gruff | Mar 6 2022 15:49 utc | 42

Russia has thermobaric weapons. It does not need to go nuclear.

Posted by: cirsium | Mar 7 2022 0:36 utc | 252

Sushi #248

North sea routes etc and Pass the Lagavulin. It brings back memories.

Thank you and that reminds me of those fabulous Connecticut class US submarines. Did that damaged one get its nose job completed? or are they waiting on some ideal metals from Russia?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 0:39 utc | 253

uncle tungsten@210
Agreed. It would be very easy to make the case that fascism begins in the United States. That was certainly Hitler's view and he was very grateful. It took him a long time to realise that not even invading the USSR could win him the support that he felt, after WWI, was vital in the war and that the enormous investments of US capital in the German economy would make likely.
As for Joe Hill: VV Putin has quit mourning the treachery of Uncle Sam and is organising the Empire's funeral.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 7 2022 0:42 utc | 254

WJ | Mar 7 2022 0:25 utc | 245
Also, the giant convoy is "stalled". We are not supposed to think that it got there much faster than expected.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 7 2022 0:50 utc | 255

Posted by: Simplicius | Mar 6 2022 23:52 utc | 231

"If the Russians can bring to bear their TOS and heavy weaponry and smash the shit out of those Ukr plus their NATO advisors, that will finish things off."

If that becomes necessary, Russia will do it. However, there is reason to believe that Russia wants them to surrender, not die. In the new Ukraine Russia is building, they will need a Ukrainian military. So killing all of the Ukrainian military now is counterproductive. Not that Russia won't do it if they have to. And they've been destroying all the Ukrainian military infrastructure, but that was of course necessary in the first place.

"If the Russian + friends can take Mariupol/Kiev/Kharkov, that would work too but the hostage approach by the Ukr Nazis makes that difficult. Think Breslan on a huge scale."

Again, Russia will use the Syrian/Chechen strategy. Siege warfare. Not Breslan. Unless, again, they have to if the siege doesn't work.

"As for Russia being in a hurry, it would be a HUGE mistake for Putin to sue for peace right now"

Russia has said that they will stop the operation if Ukraine agrees to Russia's demands without preconditions and completely. He's not going to "sue for peace". Russia has presented its surrender demands. All Ukraine can do is accept them or Russia will produce them on the ground.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia’s military operation in Ukraine can be suspended only if Kiev ceases military actions and fulfills Moscow’s demands in a phone conversation with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Kremlin press service reported following the talks of the two leaders on Sunday.

"Vladimir Putin informed about the progress of the special military operation on protecting Donbass, conveyed principal approaches and assessments in this context, explained in detail basic set goals and tasks. It was emphasized that the special operation is proceeding according to a plan and is on schedule," the statement said. It was noted that Russia’s armed forces "were doing everything possible to preserve the lives and guarantee the security of civilians, precision strikes are targeting exclusively the facilities of military infrastructure." {RSH NOTE: He said "military infrastructure" - not Ukrainian soldiers lives.]

"Against this background, the actions of nationalist neo-Nazi formations that continue the intensive shelling of Donbass and use civilians, including foreigners, practically taken hostage, as human shields in Ukrainian cities and localities, are particularly cruel and cynical," the statement noted.

During the conversation, the Russian leader confirmed "the Russian side’s readiness for dialogue with Ukraine’s authorities and foreign partners in order to settle the conflict." "That said, the futility was noted of any attempts to stall the negotiation process used by the Ukrainian army to regroup its forces and means. In relation to that, it was stressed that the suspension of the special operation is possible only if Kiev ceases the military actions and fulfills Russia’s demands that were made perfectly clear," the Kremlin reported.

https://tass.com/politics/1417839

"I would worry that NATO wants to try out their F35's to drum up some sales"

Not going to happen. NATO pilots flying F-35s into Ukrainian air space means they get shot down and Russia destroys Polish airfields or any airfield they operate from. Too big an escalation for NATO.

Remember, THIRTY NATO war games show Russia winning a war with NATO. THIRTY.

"I greatly enjoy following Martynov, but find he is probably a bit over optimistic about Russian capabilities."

Based on what? Why don't you go over there and ask him? I'd love to see his response to your "concerns."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 0:52 utc | 256

I have just accessed kremlin.ru. though very slow loading The president of Russia website. Found the transcript of 'Meeting with representatives of the flight crew of Russian airlines'
Putin answers a number of questions and it is quite long.
Putin on the reason for the Ukraine operation.There is a little more though most of it is covered here.

Moreover, recently, the authorities in Kiev have directly begun to declare, publicly, that they are not going to implement these agreements. They talk about it directly from TV screens, on the Internet-everywhere they publicly say "we don't like it", "we won't do it". At the same time, Russia continued to be accused of not fulfilling these agreements. Some kind of nonsense, just a theater of absurdity: they say "black" for what is white, and they say "white"for black.

It's been even worse lately. Suddenly, they started talking about what they were going to do, that is, they have been saying for a long time, but they began to talk more and more actively about the fact that Ukraine will be accepted into NATO. Do you understand what this could have led to, or may still lead to? If it is a NATO country, then in accordance with the treaty on the formation of this organization, all other members of the alliance must support this country in the event of a military conflict. No one recognizes Crimea as Russian except you and me. They conduct military operations in the Donbas, they will also get into the Crimea, and then we will have to fight the entire NATO organization. What is this? Are the consequences clear or not? I think that they are clear to everyone.

Now they are talking about acquiring nuclear status, that is, acquiring nuclear weapons. We cannot ignore such things, especially since we know how the so-called West behaves towards Russia.

First of all, Ukraine has had nuclear expertise since Soviet times, and as far as the enrichment of nuclear materials is concerned, they will be able to organize this work. There are missile competencies, and one Yuzhmash is worth something-it created intercontinental-range ballistic missiles for the Soviet Union. They'll build it up and do it. And there, from across the ocean, they will also help you do this. And then they will say that "we do not recognize the nuclear status, we did it ourselves." They will put these complexes under control, and from this second, from this very second, the fate of Russia will be completely different. Because then our strategic opponents don't even need to have intercontinental-range ballistic missiles, they'll have us right here with a nuclear gun pointed at us, and that's all.


http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67913

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 0:53 utc | 257

RSH #249

Won't wash buddy.


Interesting. Some people have been wondering if the coronavirus hadn't originated elsewhere than in China. The Chinese raised that possibility back in 2020, IIRC. I never put any stock in it because the outbreak was clearly in China. However, the presence of a BSL4 lab in Taiwan run by the military raises a lot of possibilities - one being did Taiwan deliberately produce and introduce it into China? IIRC Taiwan handled the outbreak fairly well. They kept it suppressed under a zero-Covid policy until 2021 when Delta and then Omicron took off - perhaps they didn't allow for a serious mutation. Motivations would include getting the rest of the world to blame China - which is exactly what Trump did.

It was first identified/alarmed in Wuhan by world leading Chinese epidemiologists. After three prior biological weapon attacks, the Chinese government and scientific network was fully informed and prepared. They even held a preliminary conference before the Military Games to ensure the monitoring system was in peak preparedness. It worked just fine as they sprung the emergence within an amazing short timespan.

It is poor form to peddle out the old wuhan BS. There is an abundance of evidence for you to scruffle about in to see it in other countries prior to wuhan. How's those white tailed deer cold cuts going in the freezers in the USA? And please don't tell me vaping disease was just low grade sinsemilla.

How is that open society USA going with telling everyone of its blood bank and sewage bank audit for covid??? Let alone some deep audit of the USA 400 or so CBW labs at homeland and throughout the world.

Try University of Wisconsin and minimise the old 'look squirrel' trick.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 0:53 utc | 258

Another section from the same answer.

The first is, of course, to protect the people who live in the Donbas. In what way? By demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine and giving it a neutral status. Why? Because if the status is neutral, then they will not be able to join NATO. And they have written in the Constitution that they are going to join NATO. You understand, they wrote it down in the Constitution!

What is denazification? I talked to my Western colleagues – " what is it, you also have radicals?" Yes, we do, but we don't have any radicals in the Government. And everyone recognizes that there is. Yes, maybe we have some jerks who run around with swastikas somewhere, but do we support this at the government level? Do we have thousands of people walking with torches in our capitals – in Moscow or in our other regional capitals, with swastikas and torches, as in the 30s in Germany? Do we have it? And there is also supported. Did we we support those who killed Russians, Jews, and Poles during the war, but do we make heroes out of them? And there they do.

What is happening now is also very important. Look, foreign citizens were taken hostage in Sumy, in Kharkiv-more than six thousand young people, students. They drove them to the railway station and have been holding them for the third day. Listen, the third day they keep the guys there! Everyone was told. We conveyed this to the current leadership of Ukraine – " yes, yes, of course, we will do everything now." We told the leaders of the leading European countries, as I personally said, " Yes, we will influence them now." We told the Secretary-General of the United Nations: "Yes, we will deal with it now." No one is doing anything!

Even worse are those people whom they consider their own citizens. Just really, directly covered by them as a human shield.

In Mariupol, this is happening right now, when we are talking to you. They called from the government, from Kiev, and reached out to our military personnel: provide corridors for citizens to leave. Of course, our people immediately reacted – immediately! – we even suspended military operations, watched what was happening. They don't let anyone out. Do you understand what they're doing? They don't let anyone out, they cover themselves like a human shield. Who is it? Neo-Nazis, of course.

We are already registering the presence of militants from the Middle East and some European countries. We know that we hear them on the air. They use so-called jihad mobiles-they stuff cars with explosives and drive them at the troops. But they don't succeed and they won't succeed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 0:56 utc | 259

I am not sure that Russia will not take Lvov, Western Ukraine. In Chechena a traditional russian hating part of Russia. That is until recently, Russia leveled Grozny and killed every terrorist. The ones still alive went to syria. Can Russia level Western Ukraine and kill every Nazis or force them to go to Europe? The answer is,Yes. Russia intelligenly does not want to kil normal Ukrainian soldiers in the rest of Ukraine. But when it comes to Nazistan, all bets are off.So yes, it's very possible Russia will turn Lvov into Grozny!

Posted by: Topolcats | Mar 7 2022 0:56 utc | 260

US Bio-Labs Ukraine

The US Company Metabiota Inc. has been awarded $18.4 million federal contracts under the Pentagon’s DTRA program in Georgia and Ukraine for scientific and technical consulting services. Metabiota services include global field-based biological threat research, pathogen discovery, outbreak response and clinical trials. Metabiota Inc. had been contracted by the Pentagon to perform work for DTRA before and during the Ebola crisis in West Africa and was awarded $3.1 million (2012-2015) for work in Sierra Leone – one of the countries at the epicenter of the Ebola outbreak.
SOURCE
http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

Ukraine is one of the 25 countries around the world with Pentagon biolaboratories on its territory. The US has been operating 11 biolaboratories in Ukraine alone. The military projects at these biological research facilities are sensitive information, according to the 2005 Agreement between the US Department of Defense and the Ukrainian Ministry of Health.

SOURCE
http://dilyana.bg/measles-virus-from-afghanistan-blamed-for-deadly-outbreak-in-ukraine/

Perhaps Arioch | Mar 6 2022 21:33 utc | 164 can explain why it is that Ukraine needs 11 bio-labs. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. It is run by Nazis. Nazis who show zero respect for human life.

What rational person would fund any form of life threatening research in association with Nazis?

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 7 2022 0:58 utc | 261

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 7 2022 0:14 utc | 237

"They rushed a tiny VDV helicopter drop to Gostomel airport near Kiev. When Kiev didnt surrender, Russia needed 1-2 days to relief the VDV group at Gostomel."

Bullshit. You think the Russian force from Belarus was a last-minute decision? Nonsense. Of course it takes time to run a full column down from Belarus. There was a risk for the paratroopers but it was acceptable. In any event, Russia could have reinforced them very easily with air power and other means if necessary before the Belarus force arrived. That they apparently didn't indicates the risk was never as high as imagined by western "experts" like Michael Hofnan.

"Western "analysts" are still mocking Russian capabilities: They expected a thundering combined arms attack that would quickly overwhelm the Ukrainian army. From their POV, Russia has been doing badly. That is obviously wrong as well."

This part you get correct. Never argue with success.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 0:59 utc | 262

Section of a reply to another question. (this is all yandex translate)

Yes, we see that, as I have already said, attempts are being made to shake up our society. By the way, this is also a confirmation of my words that we are dealing not just with radicals, but with neo-Nazis. We have people walking around and expressing their opinions about what they like or don't like about our actions in Ukraine. And there, in Ukraine itself, those who express the same positions as our representatives, so to speak, the liberal part of our society, we already have confirmation, there they are simply grabbed on the street now and shot. Now our special services are collecting this information, then they'll give it to you. They just shoot them. We have a part of our liberal intelligentsia going around protesting, and there the same, exactly the same, who at least says something about Russia, began to be shot directly, without trial or investigation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 1:00 utc | 263

Posted by: dh | Mar 7 2022 0:29 utc | 246

Note this sentence: "if in fact they choose to provide these fighter jets to the Ukrainians." IF. IF. Now that Russia just said that any country hosting aircraft attacking Russia "may" be considered a party to the conflict, I'm betting Poland backs down and refuses to do this.

The important takeaway from this is that Washington is continuing its efforts to get a war going between NATO and Russia. That is what people should be worried about. Is Washington willing to not only sacrifice the EU economy in its efforts to regime change Russia but also to sacrifice NATO in an actual war?

Want to bet that once a NATO-Russia war starts, Washington will suddenly find a way to not get seriously involved? The problem for them is Russia won't give them that option. Those 30,000 US troops in Germany will be toast.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 1:05 utc | 264

As to whether *any* evidence of bad things going on in Ukraine would be accepted by the West, the answer is almost certainly "no". Things like research into bioweapons can always be claimed as fabrications or passed off as defensive research.

To think otherwise would be the triumph of hope over experience.

Posted by: Billb | Mar 7 2022 1:05 utc | 265

Last section I will quote.

By the way, in the course of the operation itself, I can tell. A lot of speculation, I know. True, I don't have much time to get acquainted with this, but they report that there is a lot of talk about what is going on and how. All analysts can see what's going on, so I won't tell you any secret here. It would be possible to act in different ways, it would be possible simply – by the way, in response to your question-to help the republics of Donbass directly on the contact line, at the front, as they say, and simply to support them with our Russian army. But in this case, from the other side, meaning reckless support from the West of nationalists and radicals, from that side there would be endless support with material resources, ammunition, equipment, and so on.

Therefore, our General Staff and the Ministry of Defense have taken a different path. The first thing we did was destroy the entire military infrastructure. Not all, partly, mostly: warehouses with weapons, ammunition, aviation, air defense systems. Air defense systems, their elimination requires a certain amount of time – you are peaceful people, but still you are related to aviation-they need to be opened, then hit. This work is almost complete. Hence the demand to close the sky. But the implementation of this requirement is fraught with colossal and disastrous consequences not only for Europe, but also for the whole world. I think that those who have some passion fruit on the other side have an understanding of this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 1:06 utc | 266

to BM | Mar 6 2022 14:47 utc | 20


many thanks for that BM, I've read a good part of the entire article, and can recommend it. quite a different take from much I have seen.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 7 2022 1:11 utc | 267

http://en.kremlin.ru/ is up - but very slow. Readouts of Putin's phone calls with Macron, Bennett, Erdogan up and Scholz from the 4th plus other stuff.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 1:17 utc | 268

michaelj72 | Mar 7 2022 1:11 utc | 265

No doubt you would recommend every bit of Nazi propaganda and every gamers wet dreams as well.
Enough decent military analysts around that they can be found. Ones with actual military experience. Richard above has given a pretty good summation of that. He also mentioned the hostages.
In the sections I quoted from Putin, Putin gives the number of hostages your heros are holding.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 1:21 utc | 269

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 0:53 utc | 257

Well, nice rant, but if you read my post I didn't at any time suggest otherwise. What I said was that it was possible that Taiwan was the instigator of the whole thing. Now you're accusing me of supporting the US narrative? Seriously? Have you read me at all anywhere in this blog for the past two years?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 1:22 utc | 270

Until we see future analyses, this statement doesn't prove a biowarfare program. It proves a bioresearch program on dangerous pathogens. That's it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 0:33 utc | 249

its just that almost anything the US does on foreign soil is part of their world dominance military MO. When bio labs spring up in locations close to "enemy territory" of course they are suspect. maybe its not bio weapons as per strict definitions, but you can bet something spurious is happening in these clusters of labs. its just a matter of time until there is more clarity on what that might be.
To clarify my position I classify Agent Orange was a bio weapon, also Napalm, mustard gas,I think Glyphosate (Round-Up) is a bio weapon, I think GMO seeds are a bio weapon. Obviously there is a far greater range of possibilities than "virology" or "covid"

And as for evidence of American belligerence with chemical warfare just ask any North Korean, Vietnamese, descendants of survivors of trench warfare in WW1. Probably many more examples as well. Chemical weapons are bio weapons.

So who ever posted that Bio-chemical weapons is the best description is probably right.

Posted by: K | Mar 7 2022 1:24 utc | 271

@262 There is more detail about the Polish jets in this article. It is far from a done deal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/05/white-house-deal-fighter-jets-ukraine-00014424

"Discussions between Warsaw and Washington are still underway, though authorization for new, replacement fighter jets to Poland could take a long time."

My guess is Blinken wants to appear to be helping Zelensky but he also wants a way out.

Posted by: dh | Mar 7 2022 1:27 utc | 272

bevin #253

As for Joe Hill: VV Putin has quit mourning the treachery of Uncle Sam and is organising the Empire's funeral.

Agreed, and the USA with the western peoples have a fine tradition in the International Workers of the World to uphold.

These organised groups challenged the anti worker, anti commonwealth, anti libertarian thugs of the fascist hirelings. The IWW were vilified and attacked and murdered throughout the USA (and likely elsewhere) but now is the time for a resurgence of the ethics and philosophy of organised collective action. I trust the IWW will emerge with vigor in its step.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 1:28 utc | 273

Posted by: K | Mar 7 2022 1:24 utc | 269

As I said, quite possibly they are. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying until Russia produces more documents, what they have said as I read in Tass is not proof of weaponization. Russia has asserted it, not proven it. And the rest of the stuff referenced here is "connect the dots", not proof. Very good "connect the dots" evidence, definitely, I will admit that. But not proof. Without proof, it goes nowhere, just like the "Wuhan lab leak theory". That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 1:33 utc | 274

i always figured that us/uk accusing china of releasing covid smelt a bit like “accuse the enemy of what you are doing” - then add to that the way china reacted as if under attack...

i doubt there are any direct lines between the covid shenanigans and the current conflict in Ukraine - except that people happy to crap on patient consent have no inclination to do more than virtue signal

if russia finishes whatever it is doing and graciously forgives us for trying to cancel them then we will probably see some medium price hikes but very few will learn anything

if it escalates, china will back russia and we will very quickly become a third world country. our government will say we are winning till the day there is nothing on the shelves. by that stage we will probably be too frantic to connect any dots at all.

i just can’t see how the ship has not already sailed, most people are now significantly less equipped to understand what is at stake than three years ago. there will be no revolution to televise.

i hope the russians win quickly (and please include cancelling that nuclear submarine bullshit in the demands).

Posted by: Rae | Mar 7 2022 1:34 utc | 275

@237 Arne Hartmann

re: RF capabilities, foul-ups, etc

Yes, many a grain of salt in reading the various pundits. Also if you stretch out 150k troops over a 1500km line, there will necessarily be things that don't add up. On the other hand, concentrating both sides' armies into the DNR/LNR area would also have drawbacks. In all cases, one can't easily fix dilemmas caused by the human-shields pattern of conflict.

There just aren't any neat and completely humane answers here unless UA army gets sick of the crazies, but the reasonable people among their leaders may have all been purged by now, for all I know.

The range and firepower stuff that Martyanov writes about a lot is for dissuading the bigger escalations, which is half the story only. So much of this is political. The fact that Washington is half a world away, only half coherent, and couldn't care less the risks it puts on anyone else doesn't help.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 7 2022 1:38 utc | 276

I am not a finance knowledgeable person but - what happens to all those banks who should have been closed down in the last financial crisis (2008?) with their CDOs & Derivatives and Mortgage Backed Securities etc. but never were.
Somewhere there is a HUGE pile of worthless 'money' that will crush the current financial system once the obligations become due.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Mar 7 2022 1:38 utc | 277

Posted by: dh | Mar 7 2022 1:27 utc | 270
"My guess is Blinken wants to appear to be helping Zelensky but he also wants a way out."

Agreed. As I suggested above, it begins to appear that the US wants NATO to fight Russia - but the US won't help except at one step removed. But as Martyanov points out constantly, Russia won't see it that way.

According to the Politico article, Poland will get F-35s in 2024. Also they note that there are legal issues in that the tech in some US planes can't be legally transferred to Poland. Of course, that could be worked out. The problem is by the time they get that nonsense worked out, the conflict will be over. If they think they can "restart" it or run a guerrilla war from Poland with Ukrainians flying an "Air America" into Ukraine, they're incredibly delusional.

Again, the important takeaway is the determination to get a war going with Russia.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 1:39 utc | 278

@Uncle Tungsten #257
Thanks for your cryptic comments concerning Covid.
Would you be willing to elaborate in a little less obscure manner.
I’m interested in the University of Wisconsin reference, as I am a former academic staff member, and should have access to what you are referring to.
I’d be grateful to read any analysis that you would be willing to share.
I’m confused as hell about this virus situation.
Have close family in the medical profession, but I don’t think that they have done the review that you apparently have.
I’m certain of it.
Please forgive my going a little/lot off topic.
But, I saw an opening, and took it.
I am happy to buy a round of Red Stripes, and there’s always the “good sense”.
I wish you well.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 7 2022 1:39 utc | 279

World Economic Forum and its psychopathic corporate owners must be eliminated. They are a mortal danger to humanity:
"Humans are now hackable animals”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G3nWyoQ5CQ&t=5s

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 7 2022 1:43 utc | 280

Re. hard evidence for bioweapons research.
It is called hard evidence because it is really really hard to find; deliberately so.

Not sure I can wait till it turns up - before the next outbreak of (**name your poison**)

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Mar 7 2022 1:45 utc | 281

ACPAL NATO will back down, cause NATO Is just fucking around, this IS existential for Russia. We're just fiddling about, you know, through a few neo-Nazis in the breach, what's a little collateral damage. And again, if a few of their own neo-Nazis wanna go abroad to get their yayas out, let em go get chewed up by the Russians, it's a win, win, win. Arm sales are up, fuckery flourishes, and nothing really is lost. (Dollar supremacy may be compromised by pushing too hard, and much may be lost, but it will be a slow whimper, not a mushroom cloud.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 7 2022 1:49 utc | 282

The US Company Metabiota Inc. has been awarded $18.4 million federal contracts under the Pentagon’s DTRA program in Georgia and Ukraine for scientific and technical consulting services. Metabiota services include global field-based biological threat research, pathogen discovery, outbreak response and clinical trials. Metabiota Inc. had been contracted by the Pentagon to perform work for DTRA before and during the Ebola crisis in West Africa and was awarded $3.1 million (2012-2015) for work in Sierra Leone – one of the countries at the epicenter of the Ebola outbreak.
SOURCE

Ukraine is one of the 25 countries around the world with Pentagon biolaboratories on its territory. The US has been operating 11 biolaboratories in Ukraine alone. The military projects at these biological research facilities are sensitive information, according to the 2005 Agreement between the US Department of Defense and the Ukrainian Ministry of Health.

SOURCE


Perhaps Arioch | Mar 6 2022 21:33 utc | 164 can explain why it is that Ukraine needs 11 bio-labs. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. It is run by Nazis. Nazis who show zero respect for human life.

What rational person would fund any form of life threatening research in association with Nazis?

Wake up Arioch. The bar will not tolerate apologists for evil.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 7 2022 1:50 utc | 283

@ Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 0:53 utc | 256 / 258 / 264.. thanks for sharing that... don't be so hard on michaelj72.. he is a regular and a good guy..

@ Billb | Mar 7 2022 1:05 utc | 263

that was what i was saying earlier... with all the first hand experience over chemical weapons in syria, there is no way the west will acknowledge any involvement in anything nefarious or worse.... western propaganda is all fully one sided... to think it would be different is to fool oneself..

@ michaelj72 | Mar 7 2022 1:11 utc | 265

on BM's article, this post was made earlier.. it looks like you missed it -

"At the end of the previous troll fest thread many posters (including native speakers like myself), have already brushed off this piece. It's an opinion piece, There's nothing in it. The author seems like a military porn fanatic that does unspeakable things to his stack of Jane's magazines in his spare time.

I didn't dig deeper but it seems its a piece trawled from their forum.

An internet sleuth does not an analyst make. Not one without relevant background, and if that author had any, it wasn't listed. And i couldn't be bother going into his back catalogue given the quality of this piece.

I wish BM didn't repost it AGAIN in this thread. I'm embarrassed as a Chinese that a trashy piece of critique from someone who's still wet behind the ears got published.

Let it die.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 6 2022 19:37 utc | 118"

Posted by: james | Mar 7 2022 1:51 utc | 284

RepofScotland: the Zionists understood well the value of suffering and some losses to galvanize the cause; I read all the "Jews in Europe aren't worth one cow in Palestine"

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 7 2022 1:53 utc | 285

INTERESTING

I had source URLs for the two quotes in # 281.
Posted the first time but it did not show up.
Thought it was the Lagavulin. Posted the identical material a second time. Did not show up.

Stripped out the URLs and posted a third time. It posted immediately.

This suggests b uses a system which cancels links to other web sites. ZH links give a similar problem.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 7 2022 1:54 utc | 286

Western media have claimed that Putin is without support from the Russian Cognresso and the population to continue the operation in Ukraine so he would have to retreat and stop. Do you know if this is real?

Posted by: Lui | Mar 7 2022 1:57 utc | 287

dh | Mar 7 2022 1:27 utc | 270

new, replacement fighter jets to Poland could take a long time
Why doesn't Ukraine just give the jets back to Poland when they are finished with them?

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 7 2022 1:59 utc | 288

$outhpaw #277

Perhaps my error citing wisconsin. What follows may assist

The researchers at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill however did manipulate corona viruses to make them more human transmissible. Here is the article in Nature Medicine from Nov 9 2015 that spells out the damning trail all the way back to the USA

Plus there is conversation between myself and lurk in this old MoA link.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 2:01 utc | 289

$outhpaw #above

In addition search "oldmicrobiologist" as there is a font of wisdom in that posters efforts.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 2:02 utc | 290

Olivier | Mar 6 2022 23:42 utc | 223
Agreed

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 2:04 utc | 291

Sushi #284

This suggests b uses a system which cancels links to other web sites. ZH links give a similar problem.

It is an inconsistent and random link assassination bug. I can work around using tinyurl or post as split up url.

It is vital to use 'preview' but not failsafe plus it saves an alcohol abuse tendency if you save it as a text item then copy to MoA :)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 2:06 utc | 292

Martyanov on the "plan" to provide Polish jets to Ukraine...

In related news, it is Game Over for VSU Air Force, it ceased to exist. As Konashenkov stated:

«Практически вся боеспособная авиация киевского режима уничтожена. Вместе с тем, нам достоверно известно об украинских боевых самолетах, ранее перелетевших в Румынию и другие приграничные страны. Обращаем внимание, что использование аэродромной сети этих стран для базирования украинской боевой авиации с последующим применением против российских вооруженных сил, может расцениваться как вовлечение данных государств в вооруженный конфликт»

Translation: “Practically all combat-ready aviation of the Kiev regime has been destroyed. At the same time, we know for certain about Ukrainian combat aircraft that had previously flown to Romania and other border countries. Please note that the use of the airfield network of these countries for basing Ukrainian military aviation with subsequent use against the Russian armed forces can be regarded as the involvement of these states in an armed conflict."

I guess Tony Blinken is self-medicating himself. But then again, knowing his background, posturing and BS are the only things he can do.

NATO countries supporting Ukraine against the Russian invasion have a “green light” to send fighter jets as part of their military aid, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday. “We're talking with our Polish friends right now about what we might be able to do to backfill their needs if in fact, they choose to provide these fighter jets to the Ukrainians,” Blinken said during an interview with CBS News’ “Face the Nation.”

Tony is ready to throw under the bus NATO's Eastern European "allies", because he thinks that he is so smart that his "plans" are so difficult to decipher. Sure, somebody explain to him about the ranges of 3M14 Kalibr, Kinzhal and Iskanders. And show him photos of objects struck by those weapons, ffs. Does Poland want to make a call?

Exactly what I said.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 2:08 utc | 293

> Richard Steven Hack et al.
ICYMI, The ISW has some very detailed, informative publications that are relatively fast reads; also detailed data on the invasion as it unfolds. The ISW has boots on the ground. | https://www.understandingwar.org/publications (accessed 06.03.2022 0156UTC)

Posted by: Ret. Ed. | Mar 7 2022 2:09 utc | 294

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 7 2022 1:59 utc | 286

LOL I see what you did there. I hope that's what you meant.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 2:11 utc | 295

For the barflies to ponder.

So what exactly is the USA+Westies doing with a few hundred more scattered throughout the world?

Inventory of USA BSL 3 and BSL 4 labs
Facilities that include BSL-3 or BSL-4 labs identified by USA TODAY’s research. Additional “high-containment” labs may also exist in this state.
Summary by state:
AL-4, AK-2, AR-3, AZ-4, CA-10, CO-5, CT-2, DE-2, DC-1, FL-3,
GA-5 +2x BSL4, HI-2, ID-1, IL-7, IN-1, IA-3, KS-4 +1x BSL4, KY-2,
LA-4, ME-1, MD-13 +3x BSL4, MA-9, MI-3, MN-3, MS-2, MO-5, MT-2,
NE-3, NV-1, NH-1, NJ-1, NM-3, NY-14, NC-4, ND-1,
OH-7, OK-3, OR-2, PA-6, RI-1, SC-1, SD-2,
TN-5, TX-12 +2x BSL4,
UT-4, VT-2, VA-9, WA-6, WV-2, WI-3, WY-1
Total BSL3=195 and BSL4=8

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 2:12 utc | 296

Posted by: Ret. Ed. | Mar 7 2022 2:09 utc | 292

OK, so I go over and read this in today's "assessment":
"Russia has increased aerial and artillery/rocket attacks on civilian positions and infrastructure, including known evacuation corridors."

So in other words, bullshit. Sorry, I pass.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 2:14 utc | 297


Ted Postol reports that Russia’s early warning system does not give comprehensive understanding of what’s going on in the world; that is, it does not have global situational awareness. Postol finds the current crisis thus very dangerous as he believes there surely exists pre-delegated launch authorities given as well. See 1:05 in presentation at CN March 6, 2022 with John J Mearsheimer, Ray McGovern, Jack Matlock, and others.

Dr. Mearsheimer talks for ~ 22 minutes, at the beginning, then Ray McGovern for about 22 minutes. Both are worth listening to imo as well as Dr. Postol’s brief words at ~1:05.

Mearsheimer talks about who caused this crisis and why it matters, where to from here, and what will Russiansdo? As a great power analyst realist he warns against continuing to back a nuclear great power into a corner over an existential threat to them. Very bad idea.

Ray McGovern reviews the US ‘diplomacy’ leading up to the crisis. He includes the extended audiotape conversation between Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pratt in 2014 leading to the US backed coup — beyond “Yats is our guy” and “f*ck the EU”. He also provides a videoclip of President Putin in 2015 speaking to some deaf journalists about the Tomahawk missiles being placed in Poland and Romania and the real dangers they pose to Russian national security interests (49:25).

Besides these three gentlemen, I would skip rest of the video...


https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/06/watch-mearsheimer-and-mcgovern-on-ukraine/

Posted by: suzan | Mar 7 2022 2:16 utc | 298

@ Sushi | Mar 7 2022 1:54 utc | 284 who wrote
"
This suggests b uses a system which cancels links to other web sites. ZH links give a similar problem.
"

Welcome to the MoA bar.

Yes, currently one cannot post links to ZH articles but that was not always the case. I continue to refer to and post quotes from ZH pieces without restriction but use to provide links as well.

Does this restriction provoke me to complain about the forum and eccentricities of the barkeep? NO! I am a retired techie and operated a business on the internet for 14 years so I know what keeping a web site like this going takes in effort.....and w/o any advertising, in case you didn't notice.

I have learned over the years here that the postings by the barkeep and contributions by the barflies far outweigh any difficulty I might have to go through to express myself here. I encourage you to contribute financially to the barkeep and add value to our conversations as best you can without winging.

I expect b to give his efforts up at some point and I would hate for it to be because of folks that didn't respect what he has on offer daily...and has for over a decade.

end rant....sorry Sushi, I have read good comment from you and hope to in the future

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 7 2022 2:18 utc | 299

@ Ret. Ed. | Mar 7 2022 2:09 utc | 292

i don't trust ISW..never did... here is a random quote - "The Russians diverted their efforts to encircle Kyiv to attack the civilian evacuation corridor running west from the capital via Irpin. They reportedly shelled a bridge and bombed a rail line being used to evacuate civilians on March 5 and 6. " quote links back to facebook, twitter and etc...

Posted by: james | Mar 7 2022 2:18 utc | 300

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