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March 06, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-22

News & views related to Ukraine ...

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Ukraine and not:

Regarding accessing RT using Telegram trying to bypass censorship of a fascist "gud gubberment."

In Telegram trying to access https://t.me/swentr, and I get "This channel can't be displayed because it violated local laws."


However, I can access the RT website just fine. I live in the U.$. Yes, I disabled filtering in Telegram.

Posted by: William Haught | Mar 6 2022 13:36 utc | 1

If I could get Telegram without giving my phone number I would. But alas, social media companies 'need' your phone number.

I can view it on the web, but many of the videos and pics are not available via web because they are too large.

Disappointing.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Mar 6 2022 13:43 utc | 2

I have wondered how Putin would introduce the off-switch for Ukraine as a country and the switch to Novorossiya, Stara Rus / Kievskaya Rus / Galicia etc. Now this is becoming clear: the fact that Ukraine may not just have talked about developing nukes, but were in the process of doing so. Putin said clearly yesterday: "If Ukraine would have done this, then they will put their entire statehood at risk, and they will be entirely to blame." Russian intelligence has already indicated so much, so expect this to be whipped up much more towards the end of the war, in time for some major pronouncements on how Russia will organize Ukraine into a protectorate with different regions - and no more reference to a joint Ukraine.

Posted by: Josh V | Mar 6 2022 13:47 utc | 3

I believe they need a workaround for the DNS to permit telegram to display RT
They have a satellite solution apparently

It is going to stimulate interest in learning Russian I guess !

A real own goal by "The West" which is probably because UK has a Videolab team producing fake images for desperate TV stations deprived of "embedded propaganda" reporters and Russian preference for secrecy

It won't take long for the televisual propaganda narrative to unravel. - I keep wondering if the US Embassy in Warsaw has kitted out a studio for Zelensky so hot he needs a T-shirt to look presidential rather than the skin look in his dance video

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 6 2022 13:51 utc | 4

Victoria Nuland in blue enters Ukraine in the background with Sec. Blinken.

https://youtu.be/0EWSug__I40

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 13:52 utc | 5

RT vid on abandon ukraine army camp. They left everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef7VATrCga4

Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 6 2022 13:59 utc | 6

I think this Clif High video is one of the best hitorical documents about the predicaments we are in.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jwXFVpSGeJTO/

Posted by: Jeffrey | Mar 6 2022 14:05 utc | 7

Vinnytsia Airport destroyed.

Zhytomyr has been under bombardment as well.

This suggests to me the Russian plan is to draw a new boundary on the Western end of these two oblasts (Zhytomyr & Vinnytsia).

This leaves the 8 Western Ukrainian Oblasts for a new "buffer" or "neutral" territory.

Alexander Mercouris seems to be of the same view that the Russians will not head into Western Ukraine as there is nothing there for them and will instead evacuate Azov, Right Sector and their fellow travellers to Western Ukraine/Galicia/Lviv in the same manner as they evacuated jihadis to Idlib in Syria.

Why not? It worked in Syria.

Interestingly. If Zakarpattia/Transcarpathia became a part of Hungary there would be a border between Poland & Hungary.

Would that be in the interests of Hungary & Poland to have a land border?

Posted by: Julian | Mar 6 2022 14:05 utc | 8

Peter Hitchens writing in the Mail on Sunday today here in the UK, says: “I saw what was coming. That’s why I won’t join this carnival of hypocrisy.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10581335/PETER-HITCHENS-saw-coming-Thats-wont-join-carnival-hypocrisy.html

Worth reading

Posted by: tobyt | Mar 6 2022 14:09 utc | 9

Re: Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Mar 6 2022 13:43 utc | 2


You know there are ways to fake a telephone number over the Internet don't you. Have you ever tried?

Also, surely every good barfly as a burner phone by now?

Posted by: Julian | Mar 6 2022 14:09 utc | 10

It seems to me that it is pretty much going according to plan for the US empire. Unable to compete fairly with the Russian energy sector or the Chinese manufacturers they have decided to partition the world, at least until they have a better plan. The Russians have been cut out of the European energy market so the US can sell their overpriced fracked gas and the Europeans, which are after all their rivals, are going to get royally screwed. Next on the list presumably is Taiwan, doubtless more attempts will be made to goad the Chinese into an invasion and then the partition will be complete.

Posted by: MarkU | Mar 6 2022 14:14 utc | 11

Ukrainian Nationalists have kidnapped and are torturing Maxim Ryndovskiy, Ukrainian MMA fighter from Kiev, because he trained with Chechen MMA club Ahmat and has called for peace in Donbass: videos. Please repost widely, this may save his life!

Posted by: S | Mar 6 2022 14:19 utc | 12

It seems to me that it is pretty much going according to plan for the US empire.
Posted by: MarkU | Mar 6 2022 14:14 utc | 11

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There is the not so small problem of debt destruction. Removing Russia from Western trade significantly shrinks the available pool of assets available for collateralization.

It also scares the rest-of-the-world about the value of Western trade, reserves becoming so fickle.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 14:26 utc | 13

Best Sitrep channel with on map analysis I have seen so far. Frequent updates, and long impartial, detailed and accurate analyses of the situation. Definitely deserve much more publicity. Some gentleman from Singapore as I understand. Well worth it:
Defence Politics Asia
Also on FB:
DPA on FB
Also on twitter

Posted by: CPY | Mar 6 2022 14:27 utc | 14

(Posted this in the wrong thread, repost in the correct thread.)

After watching the slow rolling fronts in the Ukraine and the propaganda blitzkrieg in western media for more than a week, I am left with one major puzzling question about Russia's decision to invade.

Why did the Russians not try to raise a UN mandate for intervention in the Ukraine to enforce the (UN ratified) Minsk accords? Imagine Chinese, African and Pakistani blue helmets receiving a heartwarming treatment from the ukrop nazionalists.

If they had gone this route first with coordinated support from China and other UN members, and had been vetoed or otherwise frustrated by the Atlantic vassal horde, they would have had a much better case for their point of view in the non-western world. They could then have rationalized their invasion by blaming it on the west.

Were the Russians really that acutely spooked about the nazis going nuclear in the short term with USA support?

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 14:35 utc | 15


This Video exposes the provocations of neo-Nazis who, by bombing and killing their own people, create a "pretty" picture for the Western media. This is once again showing the fact that the main goal of the West in Ukraine is to turn it into a second Afghanistan.


https://youtu.be/yIS5Wik2r0E


Posted by: AntiFake | Mar 6 2022 14:38 utc | 16

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 14:35 utc | 16

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It is rumored from overrun posts and captured plans that Ukraine was to start a military action on Donetsk and Luhansk on 8 March.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 14:40 utc | 17

Posted by: William Haught | Mar 6 2022 13:36 utc | 1

I put the address you provided into my desktop Telegram and got SweN TR Chat and I can access it, although I do see the message you mentioned. It seems the channel is banned but not the group. Frankly I don't see anything interesting in this group.

One person posted:

Yes. TG are blocking based on the cell phone number you used to register.
The solution is to register a new TG account using a number from a friendly country.

Someone else said:

I think same for Canada, U.S. U.K. and E.U? Only bypass is by phone number registration. You could use a virtual sim from a country unaffected. Most of us waiting for official mirror to come back.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:42 utc | 18

Is the Narrative that Russia Misanticiapted Ukrainian Resistance True?

This 26.05.2021 article from the Carnegie Moscow Center, shows that the citizenry of Ukraine were anti-Russian and pro-West. As this was open knowledge, I'm sure the Russians knew roughly what might happen. You have to admit the narrative of the noble, fiesty Ukrainians is appealing.

From the article:
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sees his growing popularity as proof that he chose the right course when he gave up trying to please all the disparate groups that voted for him in 2019. He is likely to continue his anti-Russian rhetoric and sanctions against domestic enemies.
This spring’s escalation in the Donbas has helped Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky escape the political doldrums. He started the year with plummeting ratings, disarray in the ruling party, and growing pressure from the opposition. Against this backdrop, his sanctions campaign against “enemies of the state” has proven politically expedient.

Decisions that initially appeared rash have gained domestic political value and inspired trust among many in Ukraine, while broad support from Western leaders has also bolstered Zelensky’s position."

https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/84617

I found the comment that Zelensky, et. al., has no real management/governing skills but continues to rely on "miraculous improvisations" to placate his electorate fascinating. Who says you need leaders? Just actors are sufficient and the belief in group fantasy.

Posted by: Douglas Houck | Mar 6 2022 14:43 utc | 19

I posted a long machine translation from Chinese at the tail end of the last thread - this was translated from a link posted by
Posted by: HZ | Mar 6 2022 9:59 utc | 552
https://m.guancha.cn/WangShiChun/2022_03_06_629031.shtml

I am not going to repost the whole article because it is long, but here are the first few paragraphs as taster. See here
Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 13:16 utc | 603
for the whole article, and see the linked Chinese article for the accompanying pictures.

It is interesting because it appears to be a Chinese army military analysis of the Ukraine operation, and is a very different take (rightly or wrongly or both) from everything else I have read.

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Observer's Weekly Military Review: Russia can always provide us with lessons
Source: Observer
2022-03-06 11:56
Wang Shichuan Author
Observer Military Observer

The most important military news of the week was, naturally, the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian conflict. The course of the war over the past 10 days has proved that the Russian command clearly undertook a military adventure after 24 February in the hope of a systemic collapse of the Ukrainian army, and the relatively large losses suffered by the Russian forces confirm the failure of political speculation on the Russian side. For us, facing another war for the reunification of the motherland, this particular war, with its strange mixture of traditional warfare and unconventional military operations, is a very worthwhile lesson.

[pic crashed aircraft]

The Russian army didn't fight a pretty war, it's all about lessons for us

The battle line

Let's start by talking about the situation facing the Russian army, so that readers can understand the current state of play. As of 5 March, when this week's military review was written, the Russian army was conducting an offensive on four main fronts, mainly from the north to the south-east, and was making significant progress in all four directions and inflicting unrecoverable losses on the Ugandan forces in front of it. However, due to the length of the Russian front, which exceeded the maximum depth of attack distance set out in the regulations, and the fact that the Russians had run out of supplies carried by themselves, the Ugandan army sustained ambushes below company platoons costing the Russians over 500 men in losses.


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This is the best picture of the battle on March 6 Photo source thanks to Twitter @RedRobeFirefly

In the northwest, the Kiev direction of interest, Russia continued to advance north of Kiev, with Russian airborne units continuing to split into the Kiev suburbs in the direction of Kiev, running towards the Hagostomel and Bucha regions, while Russian tank units on the east bank of the river may continue to split into the Chernigov region on the east bank of the Dnieper to join forces in the direction of Sumy, with the U.S. military speculating that Russian forces will surround Kiev from the northeast and east.

Despite the 100km advance, Russian light armour suffered two notable casualties in this direction, when two airborne platoon-sized units in the Buccha direction were wiped out by Ukrainian special forces in a close range sneak attack while marching in column. Video footage released by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence confirms that the Russians lost 10 paratroopers belonging to the 76th Airborne Division in this area, with two losses estimated at over 50 men, and that the Russian Ministry of Defence has issued a "revenge order" against the Ukrainian special forces who have been recklessly publishing pictures of Russian corpses.

[pic gun on car and tank]

Russian troops continue to engage in a vigilante battle with small groups of Ukrainian special forces in northern Kiev Photo: social media

Despite the blows suffered by Russian forces in the immediate suburbs of Kiev, an interview with a Russian First TV reporter on 3 March on the close up of the An225 at Gostomeli military airport confirmed that Russian forces are under less threat in this direction and have held prisoners of war from the capital's defence forces, a report that raises doubts on the battlefront, and a plausible explanation at the moment is that there are not many established and serious Ukrainian forces left north of the city of Kiev The only resistance forces left are Ukrainian special forces still active in the area, but these die-hard elements are still inflicting considerable damage on the Russian army by exercising their initiative. The Russian 76th Division and the Chechen National Guard are continuing their campaign against Bucha. Meanwhile, the Russian advance on Kiev from the east has been more successful, particularly in the direction from Sumy via Konotop and Nizin.

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See the linked comment on the last thread for the whole article, recommended to read in full as what seems to be one Chinese military view!

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 14:47 utc | 20

Posted by: Julian | Mar 6 2022 14:05 utc | 8

Alexander Mercouris may be correct, but I'm leaning toward Russia going all the way to the border. If they don't want unending trouble from the Nazis, they have to force them over the border into Poland, then ban them from Ukraine in a new Constitution. But it could go either way, depending on circumstances. But if they do it my way, they get to keep all of Ukraine only under "new management." As I said in the previous thread, and as b said, this is doable. If Galicia was just hard line Ukrainian nationalists who weren't Nazis, they could leave it out and let Poland take it or use it as a rump state buffer zone between Ukraine and Poland. But I think the presence of Nazis makes that a non-starter.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:48 utc | 21

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 14:47 utc | 20

Also see my and clue's comments to that post. I dismiss it as someone hyping the PLA over the Russian military. Probably someone who doesn't know any more about current Russian military doctrine or experience than most Western "experts".

I asked Andrei Martyanov what Western experts he considers valid: He mentioned McGregor, Daniel Davis, Colonel Wilkerson, and Scott Ritter. That's about it. These other clowns on Twitter and the MSM he dismisses.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:51 utc | 22

Re: Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 14:35 utc | 15

Why did the Russians not try to raise a UN mandate for intervention in the Ukraine to enforce the (UN ratified) Minsk accords? Imagine Chinese, African and Pakistani blue helmets receiving a heartwarming treatment from the ukrop nazionalists.

LOL. Do you really think FRUKUS would approve a UN Security Council Resolution to allow Chinese troops into Eastern Ukraine to enforce the Minsk Accords?!?

Haha. No, of course not.

And I'll give you another tip - the Chinese would not want their troops in that area one bit.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 6 2022 14:53 utc | 23

@8 Julian

That seems like too much ground to realistically hold for long with the forces Russia brought, considering the brainwashed state of a good part of the population (would take as long to reverse as it did to create), and willingness of NATO to fund and supply the ultranationalist skinheads in an attempt to recreate the role of Bin Laden and the mujahedeen in 80s Afghanistan.

Policing and granular denazification in the lines currently forming - black sea coast to Dnieper where it turns, north of severski donets river, and donbas, would be a huge undertaking already. Hoping Kiev is eventually traded away by Russia, not worth having, just asking for civil war.

Colossal and depressing mess in the making, both for Russia who has set out to clean up these violently fractured places, and for EU who gets stuck with the briefly convenient but permanently hate spewing reactionary vanguard, who they've been boosting all this time.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 6 2022 14:55 utc | 24

Why did the Russians not try to raise a UN mandate for intervention ...
Posted by: Lurk | Mar 6 2022 14:35 utc | 16

For a start because the Mad Wild West would twist it to imply that Russia had no legal case for intervention without the mandate, ergo would be acting in contravention of UN security council voting by going ahead on their own (ignoring of course as always what the Mad Wild West do themselves).

I think it would have made things very difficult indeed, and would have precluded solving the most important issue which is NATO.

"It's not about Ukraine".

Posted by: BM | Mar 6 2022 14:55 utc | 25

@ too scents | Mar 6 2022 14:26 utc | 13

I didn't say it was a good plan but while we're on the subject wasn't shutting down a large part of industry part of the 'great reset'?

Posted by: MarkU | Mar 6 2022 14:57 utc | 26

Posted by: CPY | Mar 6 2022 14:27 utc | 14

Thanks. Downloading his last video now for perusal later.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 15:00 utc | 27

This came just in from a german journalist living in Donezk, needs verification. Quick translation via Deepl:
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⚡️⚡️⚡️EIL!!!⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️

Premier of the Donetsk People's Republic, Denis Pushilin gives emergency press conference.

I was on the spot and recorded the speech. Detailed explanation and translation will follow tonight by Thomas Röper.

The content of the speech in brief:


🔺A laptop was found on a hastily abandoned military base in Ukraine - which is registered with NATO

🔺 On it are data of American reconnaissance flights carried out over the Donbass and Crimea with unmanned drones in recent years (officially confirmed)

🔺This means that the Americans have passed on their data to the Ukrainian army, i.e. they support them.

🔺 Military strategic objects of Russia and the Donbass were marked on the maps created with these data

🔺 AND THERE ARE SAID TO BE ATTACK PLANS FOR MARCH 8 ON THE LAPTOP❗️.

If this is true, then this is proof that.

👉 NATO is supporting Ukraine in taking back the Donbass and Crimea by force ‼️

Posted by: Luke | Mar 6 2022 15:02 utc | 28

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 14:26 utc | 13

There are around 600 airplanes and helicopters stranded in Russia. Stock price of both Boing and Eurobus is not reflecting this fact. One leased plane makes between 50k to 100k per month. On top of that loss, these planes can be confiscated in case Russian property is taken. The economic shocks will only surface over time and this will prepare the stage for Europe to clash with their pimp.

Posted by: Milos | Mar 6 2022 15:03 utc | 29

Blinken and Nuland are Jews as thus the "holocaust survivors."

There are a few questions for the Jewish Community of the US and Canada:

Canadian Banderites have been conducting regular Nazi parades and building Nazi memorials in Canada for decades, yet the Canadian and American Jewish communities never - NEVER - criticized either the Nazi parades or Nazi memorials. Why?
Banderites network in Canada: https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-canadian-bandera-network?s=r

Canadian Bandirites are the direct descendants of members of SS 1st Galicia death squads and other Nazi collaborators (including Trudeau's Deputy Christya Freeland, a choice of the US Ziocons). The Canadian Banderites were used by the governments of the US and Canada to Nazify Ukraine. After 2014, the Canadian government was using the Canadian military to train the self-proclaimed Nazi Azov battalion. https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/far-right-extremists-in-ukrainian-military-bragged-about-canadian-training-report-says-1.5631304

Why is the world Jewish community is silent about the involvement of American and Canadian Jews in the Nazification of Ukraine?
Why such a thorough betrayal of the memories of WWII?
Do Jews understand that the current war in Ukraine looks like "Judea Declares War on Russia?"

"The term Banderites derives from the name of Stepan Bandera (1909-1959), head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists that formed in 1929 as an amalgamation of movements including the Union of Ukrainian Fascists.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banderites

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 6 2022 15:06 utc | 30

@Julian #10
You can set up a virtual number, sure, but there will be links between the internet access to that virtual number and you unless you are really expert in opsec.
A completely fake number won't work because the apps all employ SMS texting to verify the number.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 15:10 utc | 31


Posted by: ptb | Mar 6 2022 14:55 utc | 24

"That seems like too much ground to realistically hold for long with the forces Russia brought"

Mercouris believes they're going to coopt the Ukrainian military to help with that. Worked with the Chechens.

Also, they don't intend to hold it "for long." They will install a caretaker government, arrange for a new Constitution and new elections and pull out. The new elections will be managed to insure that pro-Russian forces win.

"considering the brainwashed state of a good part of the population (would take as long to reverse as it did to create)"

They don't have to. As long as the new government is under Russian control, like most states, it won't matter what the population thinks. Plus, when Russia contributes to Ukraine's economic rebuilding, the public will agree to let the government be.

"willingness of NATO to fund and supply the ultranationalist skinheads"

The skinheads will be dead or fled to Poland. With a new Constitution banning neo-Nazi parties and militias, backed by the SVR/GRU/FSB detecting and removing any underground movements inside Ukraine covertly, how can the Nazis function?

"in an attempt to recreate the role of Bin Laden and the mujahedeen in 80s Afghanistan."

Not going to happen.

"Policing and granular... would be a huge undertaking already."

That's what the 10,000 Chechen s are far. How many times do I have to point that they were brought in because they are experts at hunting terrorists and they have been provided with 5,000 names already, with more easily developed from interrogations and document forensics.

"Hoping Kiev is eventually traded away by Russia, not worth having, just asking for civil war."

Not necessarily.

The Russian plan, assuming I am correct in the details, is quite doable. As b said, if Ukraine becomes a problem again in thirty years, rinse and repeat.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 15:10 utc | 32

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 14:48 utc | 21

I am almost positive now that Russians and Chechens will take Lavov, and they are not going to be very gentle.

Posted by: Milos | Mar 6 2022 15:12 utc | 33

I've been up all night. Time to hit the hay. Talk later this afternoon.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 15:13 utc | 34

AntiFake | Mar 6 2022 14:38 utc | 16
Thanks for posting that link

wow
Sure paints a different picture than The Narrative
Recommend y'all watch it

Posted by: ld | Mar 6 2022 15:28 utc | 35

Posted by: Luke | Mar 6 2022 15:02 utc | 28

Luke, where did you get it? You have it in German? Where can the press briefing be followed?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Mar 6 2022 15:33 utc | 36

@Lurk #16 (in other thread, moving discussion to this correct one)

You said

What says that there could not have a similar surprise if an attempt had been made to establish an UN intervention? Would not such an attempt have suggested that Russia would not be prepared to act unilaterally?

I disagree.

Note that Putin made no statements whatsoever about any form of military operation involving Ukraine prior to 2/24. Every single statement about "Russian invasion" prior to 2/24 was made by the US or EU.

A Russian proposal in the Security Council would have not only validated the previous US/EU statements, it would have provided concrete proof of intention.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 15:34 utc | 37

Still up for a few more minutes. Just read this very dismissive comment from Maryanov. People should read his entire latest post.

Here is the answer. Yes, the West is pumping weapons into 404, but it has to be understood that majority of this weaponry is of anti-tank and manpad variety. While manpads could be a danger to low flying aircraft, especially helicopters, they are primarily a danger AFTER the war around airports with commercial aviation. 404 has (and took delivery of) thousands of manpads but they were marginally effective shooting down one Su-25, allegedly one Mi-35 and we don't know with what lone Su-34 was shot down. Something tells me that Su-34 case could be that of a remaining ukie Buk-M1 and AD ambush.

Per anti-tank weapons. A vaunted and much talked about Javelin performed abysmally. Two cases of Javelins hitting Russian tanks have been reported by Russian MoD. In both cases tanks continued with the task, one of the crews had minor concussions and continued with the task in their tank and destroyed two ukie tanks. They will be awarded. So, all in all, all those ATMs, manpads and RPGs are primarily weapons for what Washington thinks will be a prolonged guerilla warfare in 404, but why they are delusional about creating a "second Afghanistan" for Russians is a separate topic. As I am on record--Washington yet again fails to understand the nature of the war and how it is prosecuted. They just don't learn. Russia IS NOT going to occupy 404, let alone in parts where steppes and sparse forest-steppes flow into the alpine and foresty landscape of Western Ukraine. Moreover, that will be new, reconstituted, Ukrainian security forces which will be dealing with the issue of a residual nazi infestation.

Washington is so desperate that these types of BS periodically appear as news:

The U.S. remains in discussions with Poland to potentially backfill their fleet of fighter planes if Warsaw decides to transfer its used MiG-29s to Ukraine, four U.S. officials tell POLITICO. The ongoing talks, as President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pleads with Congress for help, underscore the frantic push to find weapons to equip Ukrainian forces as they continue to fight off the massive Russian invasion. As Poland weighed sending its warplanes to Ukraine last week, Warsaw asked the White House if the Biden administration could guarantee it would provide them with U.S.-made fighter jets to fill the gap. The White House said it would look into the matter. The Biden administration didn’t oppose the Polish government giving Kyiv the MiGs, which could potentially escalate tensions between NATO and Moscow. Poland, for now, has held on to its fighter jets. Discussions between Warsaw and Washington are still underway, though authorization for new, replacement fighter jets to Poland could take a long time.

People who continue to write this BS, obviously, have zero grasp of both judicial issues and even more so of the air-dominance and air-defense issue. NO amount of old MiGs will make any difference militarily nor will any NATO fighters--all of them will be detected, tracked and shot down in Ukrainian air space. All this BS is what we call a damage control, because the US, facing the final obliteration of its proxy force, ranging from VSU to beloved in Washington Nazis, is desperate not to repeat a debacle of Afghanistan, but this is exactly what it is especially since Russian Armed Forces already wiped out most of the VSU whose combat potential was order of magnitude larger than that of the Taliban. So, the new, much larger Afghanistan 2.0 is looming for Biden Admin and Washington's "strategists" and that explains absolute hysteria across the board in media and political establishment. Douglas Macgregor is spot on: Russia in Ukraine is not to gain territory, she is there to wipe out Kiev regime military and Nazi-driven security machine and is accomplishing her task really well.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 6 2022 15:40 utc | 38

China's strongest statement on the Ukraine conflict to date.

If US keeps intensifying Ukraine crisis with sanctions, military deployments, 'mediation would be useless'

The US and the EU keep urging China to play a bigger role to "mediate" the Russia-Ukraine conflict, but in fact, Chinese analysts said that what the West wants is to push China to follow it to one-sidedly sanction Russia, without resolving the key security concerns of both sides, which was caused by US' long-standing strategy to poison Russia-Ukraine and Russia-EU ties.

If NATO keeps up its expansion to threaten Russia, and the US keeps intensifying the tension with sanctions, weapons supplies and military deployments, no one can promise the conflict would be effectively and fundamentally mediated, experts said on Sunday. They noted that Washington only wants to maximize the damage to Russia and use the situation to further legitimize its military presence in Europe, while the EU is much more sincere and desperate to ask for help as it's more directly affected by the conflict.

Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Saturday held a phone conversation with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken over China-US relations and the Ukraine issue at the latter's request.

... continues


https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254121.shtml

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 15:46 utc | 39

@32 Richard Steven Hack

Thanks for the detailed response. I understand your vision but am less optimistic. It will be a hard sell for people who don't consider themselves Russian, at least in part. My understanding is most Ukrainians don't. They'll be grateful to be rid of the fascist thugs but will still want their own country (even if Russian speaking), and won't appreciate being put on a path to possible reunification with Russia. They might well go for neutrality however. Places that witnessed Azovites hostage taking up close, and view that as the next most realistic alternative, being possibly more exception favoring Russia outright.

But overall the whole setup, IMO, still a ripe environment for classic maoist / terrorist guerilla tactics to radicalize enough of the population to sabotage peace. History full of these sad tales. That's why, IMO, trying yo make ambitiously sweeping rearrangements of the map is unwise.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 6 2022 15:46 utc | 40

Jeez oh, BBC personnel now posting on Twitter how and where to throw a Molotov cocktail for Ukrainians who want to attack Russian vehicles. The BBC employee is telling them to throw the Molotov cocktails through the viewing hatches, and the air inlets of Russian military vehicles.

https://twitter.com/BowenBBC/status/1499668674940133378?cxt=HHwWhICzqdut8s8pAAAA

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 15:46 utc | 41

A concept that it would do well to accept and make peace with is that it is almost certain the Russians will use nuclear weapons. The Russians have said as much will be the result if NATO and the West doesn't stay out of the conflict. Look at your leaders in the West and try to convince yourself that these delusional morons won't try to "salami slice" their way into reinforcing their position in the Ukraine. The Russians do not care at this point if the US can find some sort of legal loopholes that they can use to attack the Russians in the Ukraine from airbases in Poland. Those loopholes will not protect those airbases from getting nuked.

Russia's gentle behavior in the Ukraine is because they still see the Ukrainians as brothers and sisters. Retarded brothers and sisters, to be sure, but still brothers and sisters. When (and it is 'when', not 'if') Poland goes full retard and starts allowing attack aircraft to sortie from their territory then the Russian response will be the opposite of gentle. The Poles simply do not rate the considerate treatment that the Ukrainians are getting. The Russians will hit them, and hit them very hard.

The only question here is will the Russians try to just make an example of a single military base in Poland in the hopes that it snaps the West out of their collective delusion, or will they broadly target NATO and American military facilities all across Europe. It is my opinion that the second option would be the wise one, but it would require scores of nuclear weapons and that would result in a significant environmental mess that the Russians might prefer to avoid.

My point to the reader is not to be shocked when the Russians do what they say they are going to do. I think it is clear that they are beyond bluffing and playing games now.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 6 2022 15:49 utc | 42

IN WW2 Britain did not enjoy any victory apart from the scuttling of the Graf Spee in Monetvideo before El Alamein in 1942.

Fortunately Stalingrad occurred at the same time giving Berlin the sense of failure.

I am not a military strategist and let Russia make its decisions without a TV script.

Germany decided to set up a Euro 100bn fund on 26.10.2021 as part of Coalition Agreement.........it has nothing to do with Ukraine -

Americans need images and that is why George H W Bush as POTUS 41 landed troops in Somalia to catch news broadcasts or UK need Brian Hanrahan to count Harriers leaving the flattop and returning


Stalin sent his troops to Berlin without media deadlines and re-enacted the capture of the Reichstag for media rather than first-cut

War is not entertainment - that is Western decadence

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 6 2022 15:56 utc | 43

@ William Gruff | Mar 6 2022 15:49 utc | 42 who thinks Russia will take their military effort into Poland

I agree. Putin has made it clear that Poland is part of the agenda.

The armchair general in me continues to wonder why the situation in Syria is not being brought to the forefront to push the illegal bully meme out into the open.

That said, I am happy to see whatever this moment in history brings our way.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 16:03 utc | 44

The truth of course is deeper, the real war the Globalists are fighting is against the citizenry of every country on earth. As the Covid atrocity is being rapidly exposed the repression of the people is the only option open to the New World Order Davos cabal. As has always been the case, a war abroad is the best excuse to impose tyranny at home. The Western Neo-liberal governments of America, Canada, Australia and most of Europe cannot afford to be removed from power. The full anger of the people will be unleashed full power against those who imposed the Genocidal Covid lie upon them. Trudeau, Macron et al will be held to account (one way or another) for their pivotal roles in this atrocity. They cannot allow that to happen, they have too much to lose.

The tragic and unnecessary conflict in the Ukraine can be viewed as the “Great Reset War”. Although targeted towards Russia for media purposes, its real objective is the further subjugation of the peoples of their own countries. The Western Neo-liberal agenda is failing on every front, economically, socially and morally. The Cabal has destroyed the once prosperous and free societies that they governed. The dystopian future that they have planned for the world is now plain for all to see. It has been on display in Canada and Australia, New Zealand and throughout Europe. It is a prospect that should alarm everybody.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/03/05/the-war-on-humanity/

Posted by: ld | Mar 6 2022 16:03 utc | 45

William Gruff @ 42
My point to the reader is not to be shocked when the Russians do what they say they are going to do. I think it is clear that they are beyond bluffing and playing games now.

I think the controllers in the West know that now. What they do in the future after Russia accomplish this mission is anyone's guess. When this gets done it will be back to business as usual with some lost business and money in both spheres as well as some new business opened in other areas.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 6 2022 16:04 utc | 46

How the West has know for years that Ukraine has been infested with Nazi's but turned a blind eye to it.


https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/06/robert-parry-when-western-media-saw-ukraines-neo-nazis/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 16:10 utc | 47

BBC neutrality is slightly suspect as they teach Ukrainians how to throw Molotov cocktails. https://twitter.com/BowenBBC/status/1499668674940133378

Posted by: deadpoet | Mar 6 2022 16:12 utc | 48

The armchair general in me continues to wonder why the situation in Syria is not being brought to the forefront to push the illegal bully meme out into the open.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 16:03 utc | 44

The armchair strategist in me tells me the Russians do not wish to flagrantly antagonize The Sultan or engage the Americans pre-emptively on the ground on a second front at this critical juncture. All bets are off if either of those two escalate in the *material* sense in Ukraine (as opposed to the, so far, heated rhetorical and sanctions-that-were-coming-anyway kind).

Posted by: Activist Potato | Mar 6 2022 16:20 utc | 49

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 6 2022 15:49 utc | 42

I agree in your general gist but I disagree on a couple of points.

I don't think the Russians will follow a first strike nuclear policy.

Warplanes coming in from third parties will be erased from existence ASAP.

If such follies continue, my bet is on conventional retaliation.

Russians could probably demolish airfields in poland almost as easily as in ukraine, without the need for a nuclear first strike.

So in my opinion nukes are reserved for a potential further phase of the conflict.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 16:24 utc | 50

I would much prefer this to be over quickly but I don't see how. The current stage will be fast enough but where does it end again? I do not see how for instance the Azov battalion will release the population, and it is not just Mariupol. Then Russia will attack and the cameras will be ready with emotional pictures of dead helpless citizens fueling the inflow of fighters ans weapons.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 6 2022 16:25 utc | 51

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 15:46 utc | 41

Stunning! I sent it on to a couple of friends along with a photo I took about 20 years ago of a student in Ecuador hitting a personelle carrier whit a molly. You know what happened to it? Yeah, you probably guessed: NOTHING.

The BBC is spreading information on how to commit suicide.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 6 2022 16:25 utc | 52

Buying our way out of Ukraine:

"Since the first day of the hostilities in Ukraine, people have divided into several camps: fierce patriots who refuse to face the truth and support official propaganda, neutral civilians who want it all to stop, and adventurers who are trying to profit from human grief

How much does it cost a Ukrainian to flee abroad to avoid going to war
Having realized that many Ukrainians do not want to fight on the side of the AFU and are trying to hide from conscription in neighbouring countries, the so-called “solvers” came up with a simple but effective scheme to enrich themselves: first they find local residents interested in crossing the border, then they take money from them and then they negotiate with border guards to let them out of the country.

The cost of illegally crossing state borders varies from USD 3,000 to USD 7,000. The exact amount depends on the “guide” himself, his conscience and the level of contact with border guards. It is mostly residents of border villages who have friends, acquaintances or relatives working on the border and who can get in touch with the military that make money.

At the same time, local border guards also actively cooperate with the “solvers”: it is too dangerous to cross the border yourself and give money to a person unknown to you. Both the border guard and the conscript may be sentenced for this. But if you know who to give to and from whom to receive it from, business works like a charm."

Source: News Front

Posted by: Mats55 | Mar 6 2022 16:27 utc | 53

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 6 2022 16:04 utc | 46

The Nazi-Anglo Treaty Organization cannot think without projection, and setting proxies up everywhere reinforces this.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 6 2022 16:28 utc | 54

"“Since the war began, the border villages have been full of expensive cars from the capital; they negotiate for crossing for a bribe. The employees of the Prosecutor General’s Office, courts, MPs have been waving their badges”, – a local woman from the village of Shehyni, Lviv oblast, shared her memories.

According to the Ukrainian State Border Service, dozens of people have been detained during the conflict: conscripts invented fake illnesses, offered money and other valuables to border guards, and tried to cross the border outside checkpoints. In other words, not all Ukrainians are willing to give their lives for the Kiev regime, and not all border guards are prepared to perform their military duties."

Source: News Front

Posted by: Mats55 | Mar 6 2022 16:30 utc | 55

I encountered a book about a decade or more ago that charted the presence of neo-Nazis and their regalia in US armed forces units occupying Iraq. They were at least tolerated because their commanders considered them good soldiers. They were probably also more committed to the mission than the average US soldier.

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 6 2022 16:34 utc | 56

Not that Ukraine leaders care but spring is coming and if this drags on, there will be issues with farm production.

Was there an authentic document posted that suggested that eastern Ukraine city leaders could bolt and form a defacto republic?

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 6 2022 16:37 utc | 57

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 6 2022 15:49 utc | 42

There are two very important points that Russia would consider before even thinking about going nuclear against NATO:

1 - Some - yet unknown - means to detect NATO submarines(SSN) and a very high likelihood of sinking them in a first undeclared/pre-emptive strike (I have no clue about whether there is such Russian detection tool). This would degrade NATO/US ability to retaliate to such a point that one could think they would back off from escalating.
Lacking this capacity is a no-go for nuclear strike - the reverse being true about any NATO/US pre emptive nuclear strike upon Russia.
If these conditions are not gathered there is little chance of Russian Nuclear strike, due to unbearable consequences of nuclear exchange...
Are they?
There is something in recent weeks Russian officials stunning determination and unmoving confidence that could let believe they have something up their sleeves.

2 - If not Nuclear, following Russian deterrence doctrine, it comes down to strike considerable blow(s) while remaining UNDER nuclear threshold.
It would be by using hypersonic and supersonic strikes that would concentrate on Military NATO assets. Mainly USNavy CSGs as well as UK and French ones + letting loose the Russian attack submarines to sink NATO SSNs (and may be discreetly coordinated with a handful of unnamed friendly nations' attack subs help). Strikes on all airports et harbours. That might let US/NATO so much naked in the cold that it might renounce to retaliation ...
Those are very numerous targets and I don't know that Russia has enough hypersonic vectors with conventional warheads.
It would be a terrible gamble.
But here are we if NATO nations engage in Warfare against Russia or evan before if Russia learns about their readying to punch her ...

Once again the determination, unity and confidence from the Russian leadership points to something...

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 6 2022 16:37 utc | 58

Bitterly y amusing to see UK mouthpieces reach for the statesmanship track now--'great power,' 'founding member of the UN' yada yada -- 2 weeks after suggesting they would be giving Russia an ass-kicking.

As for nuclear--unless you follow military analysts outside the NATO bubble, you may not be aware of the possibility that Russia likely has escalation dominance in conventional warfare, and that it is US that may be more likely to go nuclear first.

Russian nuclear doctrine will not likely be invoked until and unless NATO, which still has the weight of numbers launches an all out conventional missile attack that exhausts the supplies of Russian AD -- S300 400 500--to shoot down, as Russia takes out the highest value Western targets--carriers, bases, missile complexes, satellites, Langley, Fort Mead, Norfolk--with Kinzhals, etc.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 6 2022 16:46 utc | 59

Michael Tracey:

'The reason we know Ukrainian officials are trying to goad the US into war is because that’s exactly what they say they’re doing. There is no ambiguity here — at this very moment, a furious multi-front lobbying blitz is underway to solicit full-fledged US military intervention in Ukraine, and therefore open warfare against Russia. To put it bluntly, a foreign country’s representatives are doing all they possibly can to instigate the closest thing anyone on Earth has ever experienced to World War III.'

As Mark Ames pointed out elsewhere, there seems to be an almost mystical longing for death amongst the Western intelligentsia. It's as if they are bored with their nothing lives, their tedious 'research', hours spent in front of the laptop writing rubbish for nobody. Just blow it all up, kill a couple of billion people, see what happens. Please be aware that they are all perfectly aware that a so-called 'no fly zone' will result in the deaths of billions of people. They want that to happen.

As almost everyone has pointed out, the whole atmosphere is incredibly similar to the Summer of 1914.

Posted by: Hidari | Mar 6 2022 16:46 utc | 60

A resounding rebuke from Nasrallah

Speaking of double standards, when the United States invaded Afghanistan, how did the world react to the Americans? You know the answer. When the United States invaded Iraq, and in truth (completely) destroyed it, killing hundreds of thousands of people, just as they ravaged Afghanistan and killed tens of thousands of people at least, how did the world behave with the United States? And in all the wars started by the United States, which constitute the majority of the wars that have occurred in the world, how has the world reacted? And how does it behave now (against Russia)? How does the world deal with the Israeli enemy, this temporary entity, in the face of its past and present wars against the Palestinians, its wars and its blockade against Gaza, during the recent battle of the “Sword of Al-Quds (in May 2021)? Or in the Israeli wars against Lebanon, the massacres it perpetrated there, the 33-day war in July 2006… How did the world behave? And how is it currently behaving (in the face of Russian intervention in Ukraine)? And what about the war against Yemen, which has been going on for 7 years and is entering its 8th year? Years of bombardments, massacres, destruction, children (killed by the hundreds), epidemics, blockade, famine, etc. How does the world behave in the face of this? This point is clear (double standards).

https://thesaker.is/nasrallah-in-ukraine-us-imperialism-threatens-world-peace/

Posted by: ld | Mar 6 2022 16:47 utc | 61

@9 tobyt

Yes, it is worth reading! Thank you for sharing that.

It's very informed, although, I don't always like or agree with what Hitchens has to say.

However I especially like these two sentences:

I refuse to join in the war hysteria now gripping the country. And it is hysteria.
...
The point is that this is not a contest of saints versus sinners, or of Mordor versus the Shire.

That's what I've been trying to say. Why do people insist on believing that the U.S. owns the White Stetson, and deserves to lead the world, when usually it doesn't?!

Although he mentions Iraq and Libya as examples of this hypocrisy, he fails to point out the most glaring hypocrisy of all: USNATO’s and the West’s abject silence regarding Israel's continuous land grab and War on the imprisoned subjects of their brutal military occupation; the Palestinians. So it's very ironic that it should be Naftali Bennett who's trying to mediate between Ukraine and Russia.

I suspect Hitchens is a Zionist, and often his perspective is tainted by that limitation so I don’t always trust him 100%.

Nonetheless, it was so refreshing to read this unbiased, anecdotal version on the Russia/Ukraine conflict on a mainstream outlet. God knows we can use more unbiased voices from the mainstream in this avalanche of one-sided propaganda and deception against Russia and Putin.

I swear this War is going to age me 10 years! I'm so stressed; hardly getting enough sleep, and attempting to cram in the rest of my life in between trying to balance the lopsided narrative and coverage of this war!

When will the herd stop running in only one direction? When will they start coming over to our side?

This is exactly how I felt during Israel's offensives on Gaza. I felt like I was drowning in a sea of ignorance; crying out to no avail, getting swept away deeper and deeper by the tide; the overwhelming one-sided narrative. Ugh! It's exhausting.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 6 2022 16:48 utc | 62

Hidari @ 60

Reminds me of how Israel has tried to goad the US into war with Iran for 30+ years.

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 6 2022 16:50 utc | 63

The full article is worth reading

Posted by: ld | Mar 6 2022 16:51 utc | 64

Josh V 3,

Thanks.

You're right that Russia will depose the Ukrainian government and grow it's own, and that the end result will be a suzerainty/protectorate.

FWIW i don't though think the public justification for the protectorate will be Zelensky's nuclear weapons statement. I think that bit of theater was for justifying to the Russian beareaucracy where we are already.

The justification for the protectorate is still to come.

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 16:58 utc | 65

In the event that NATO sends jets across the border or commits what Russia will clearly treat as an act of war, IMHO the single NATO asset sitting at the top of Russia's reprisal list should be the shiny new British aircraft carrier, after that insult of sailing through Crimean waters and talking shite.

It might go like this. Russia contacts Washington through the hotline, then announces to world media that Russia is giving the British carrier battle group X hours to evacuate the aircraft carrier, at which point a Khinzal (perhaps without even a conventional warhead) will be punched through the carrier deck.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 6 2022 17:05 utc | 66

Looney comments, Russia won't attack US or Britain directly, won't use nukes, but can take out any airstrips that support incoming aircraft. That is low risk, low cost, high inconvenience target. Russia doesn't want to escalate, they want to normalize matters asap.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 6 2022 17:13 utc | 67

Ukrainian Nationalists abusing a man apparently because he has a “RUSSIA” tattoo: video. What a beautiful young democracy, bravely fighting to protect European values of tolerance and human dignity!

Posted by: S | Mar 6 2022 17:15 utc | 68

Following events with some hope that the empire, and its minions, will show some reason and discipline, before their unadulterated greed, and lust for control, doom us all, here on planet earth.

Still find the over the top anti-Russian campaign, and the refusal to see any other nation's point of view about being surrounded and "eaten up", totally depressing.

Makes me very pessimistic.....

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 6 2022 17:17 utc | 69

Imam Khamenei, the Leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, addressed the people in a live televised speech today (March 1, 2022) on the occasion of Eid al-Mab'ath, the day on which the Holy Prophet of Islam (pbuh) was appointed to prophethood.

In referring to the sick logic of the US regime and the killing of innocent people in the name of fighting terrorism, he said, “We are not like the west who claims that dropping bombs on a wedding ceremony in Afghanistan and turning their celebration into a funeral ceremony is fighting terrorism. According to their logic, this is not a crime. Such is their logic in Afghanistan and in Iraq.”

Referring to the US’s ongoing crimes throughout the world, Imam Khamenei posed these major questions: “What is the US doing in eastern Syria? Why is it stealing Syria’s oil? Why do the Americans steal Afghanistan’s money? Why do they usurp Afghanistan’s national wealth? Why do they defend the crimes committed day and night by the Zionists in West Asia?”

full article
https://english.khamenei.ir/news/8879/Iran-supports-ending-the-war-in-Ukraine-US-root-of-Ukraine-crisis

Posted by: ld | Mar 6 2022 17:20 utc | 70

Somewhere in the recent moa article that was co-opted by a few commentators with no intellectual curiosity, was this statement about the “young left.” It would take a lot of time to analyze this properly, but my experience with young people leads me to believe that this group consults the NYTimes for info.

I presume they are frightened by truth, currently. Why wouldn’t they be realistically? I also think the western geniuses running the show, are uniformly saying amongst themselves, “they don’t need to know.” Once again keeping us all safe from unpleasantnesses. There has to be something in Joseph Conrad illustrating this type of propagandized ignorance.

On the other hand, if reality ever interjects itself, there is going to be no end of explaining. Provided there are survivors.

Posted by: Geoff | Mar 6 2022 17:20 utc | 71

If the Russians can preempt then they will, anyone would. I believe they can and that they will be good at it too, but they may not be the only ones or the first to act on it. This is one of many reasons I keep saying the US and "the west" are committing suicide and must save themselves from themselves if they are to survive.

The US must deescalate on all fronts across the entire world.

There's still nothing to indicate "the west" is interested in their own survival, they keep playing games of lies and deceit.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Mar 6 2022 17:20 utc | 72

There is the not so small problem of debt destruction. Removing Russia from Western trade significantly shrinks the available pool of assets available for collateralization.

It also scares the rest-of-the-world about the value of Western trade, reserves becoming so fickle.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 14:26 utc | 13

The reason this war theater is happening is exactly because there's already 'no' global collateral left, and the central banks of the world structurally cannot make unsecured loans or the system vaporizes. (Overnight lending at the Fed, between banks is uncollateralized, and is another way to maintain liquidity.)

The reason that the ongoing repo crisis (rearing it's ugly head again) is the terminal market crisis of Finance Capitalism is because the repo market is structurally and functionally the game of Hot Potato.

When there's insufficient collateral left in the world, because we are four years past the Limits to Growth, all you can do is generate just enough liquidity, to keep the wheels of finance greased, by playing Hot Potato with bad collateral. It's the global version of the failure of the mortgage backed securities repo market that most fundamentally triggered the financial crisis almost 15 years ago.

Hot Potato, and the potato never cools down. But the hands do keep getting hotter.

Posted by: reante | Mar 6 2022 17:27 utc | 73

This is just horrible and could have been prevented

Posted by: baa | Mar 6 2022 17:35 utc | 74

@uke | Mar 6 2022 15:02 utc | 28

Pictures of NATO laptop here

https://t.me/intelslava/21684?single

In the headquarters of the "Right Sector", a laptop with intelligence about the Donbass and Crimea with NATO markings was found, this is direct evidence of the alliance's help, Pushilin said


Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 17:36 utc | 75

Trying to get somewhere. . . "Regarding accessing RT using Telegram trying to bypass censorship of a fascist" ?

Use a reliable VPN, tunnel to China. You will have no problems.

Posted by: elmagnosr | Mar 6 2022 17:36 utc | 76

According to a very well connected source Russian counter sanctions will be announced this coming Tuesday.
Real sanctions against a shitlist of countries,nice countries will remain unsanctioned.

Posted by: winston | Mar 6 2022 17:37 utc | 77

I was wondering how and when Pope Francis, one of the cult behind the God of Mammon curtain, was going to come out about Ukraine

I am reading now of him referring to "rivers of blood" in Ukraine and is sending two cardinals....how pathetic

Our coming bipolar world will have patriarchy with monotheism on one side and secular patriarchy on the other. The patriarchy/monotheism has show us centuries of not allowing variants in the theme but I expect the secular patriarchy axis to allow for such.

Pope Francis is part and parcel of the Empire of Lies. The Holy Roman Catholic Church probably owns/controls as much, if not more, than the other members of the God of Mammon cult given their longevity. Once you get folks buying into the main lie about monotheism, the hook is set and they can be led around as needed as long as they think they are doing God's work.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 6 2022 17:42 utc | 78

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 6 2022 17:13 utc | 67

Obviously. If the poles are dumb enough to try to deliver them. Which they’re not.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 6 2022 17:48 utc | 79

- The US has been "supporting" the "Far right" in the Ukraine since (about) 1990/1991.

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 6 2022 17:50 utc | 80

Psychohistorian (comment 78) - How many divisions does the Pope have?

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 6 2022 17:53 utc | 81

Cu1 (31)

You need a number just to register, you can delete it after you got telegram working
. Telegram calls you after a while if you don't accept to receive the sms. They dictate it to you on the phone
TextNow and other apps allocate a number to you when you register. You can remove it after you get access to telegram ...

Posted by: Virgile | Mar 6 2022 17:53 utc | 82

psychoh @ 78 said;"Once you get folks buying into the main lie about monotheism, the hook is set and they can be led around as needed as long as they think they are doing God's work."

Exactly the point of most(not all), religions, crowd control..

Make up your own, they did.....

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 6 2022 17:56 utc | 83

Gottlieb @63

I take your point. The difference is that both the US and Russia have 5000 nuclear warheads each, and there is no reason to think that they won't use all of them should this become a wider conflict, and World War 3 (which a lot of people, not least in the Ukraine, seem to be openly hoping for...how many times have we heard 'WW3 has already begun!' in response to requests to stop it).

I'm old enough to remember 1983, the last time the world was this close to armageddon. People then were afraid of nuclear war. People, even in the US, were genuinely trying to stop it.

This time no small amount of people seem to be going out of their way to actually increase the odds of a nuclear holocaust and are doing so deliberately and wilfully.

I don't get the impression, even reading 'samizdat' sites like this one, that most people are aware that the odds of the human race reaching January the 1st 2023 are quite small, perhaps 50-50.

Posted by: Hidari | Mar 6 2022 17:58 utc | 84

Jorgen Hassler - 52 - The hypocrisy is outstanding and astounding. Anarchists in Greece sometimes throw Molotovs at police. I understand the penalty for being convicted of throwing a Molotov has been raised to 10 years there.
Meanwhile the Beeb gives advice on how to do it... Armoured cars are designed with that kind of thing in mind and a Molotov exploding on one typical damages the paintwork at best. It looks like a good propaganda picture.

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 6 2022 18:04 utc | 85

Posted by: jared | Mar 6 2022 18:04 utc | 86

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 6 2022 17:50 utc | 80

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https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/01/08/cia-undermining-and-nazifying-ukraine-since-1953/

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 18:07 utc | 87

This is an existential fight between Russia and the US Empire.

By ignoring Russia's demand for the right to security the Empire, in essence, said that Russia had no right to exist. This agrees with the Empire's push to arm nations bordering on Russia. In the end the Empire would have easily defeated Russia.

The Empire uses financial blackmail to keep the EU, NATO nations, and much of the world subservient. They are afraid to disagree for fear of being sanctioned to the point of losing access to SWIFT which would destroy their economies. Even now with the possibility of financial ruin they don't dare defy the Empire. Without their tacit support the Empire would lose its global power.

So, Russia and the Empire are both fighting to save their existences. Neither is going to back down. If the European countries together refuse to support Ukraine the Empire will collapse and they will shed the financial yoke that controls them. If Russia is forced to back down then they will be carved up and sold to the highest bidder.

There are many ways this can go down including:
- the collapse of the US Empire and possibly the US itself because of internal strive
- the US Empire taking control of the entire world after Russia and China fall
- a long war and a slow decline of the Empire
- nuclear war
- ???

P.S. The Empire is not the US president. The push to destroy Russia has been going on for decades and through many presidencies which means someone, or some group, is actually running the Empire. They don't care about human lives or the survival of nations, they've destroyed many nations and overthrown many national leaders. They've started wars that have killed millions. It is in this context that people should assess the current situation and make guesses as to the future.

Posted by: ACPAL | Mar 6 2022 18:08 utc | 88

Finding a laptop with a glaring NATO decal on it with information seems like it could be disinformation or full of viruses or reach back. I'm quite sure that precautions were taken, but something so obvious. The guy who left it is in big trouble when they go looking for all of those Pre-loaded attack laptops. Not being a military person, I find it hard that a latop with more details then immediately needed would surface in a base, then again, who cleans old data off laptops. I wonder what else will be found in these abandoned bases and other places.

Posted by: Ozz | Mar 6 2022 18:12 utc | 89

"The BBC is spreading information on how to commit suicide."

Jörgen Hassler (52)


Yes that's what I was thinking, some young Ukrainian men will throw their Molotov cocktails, and see that very little happens, a few second later they'll be dead.

But then again neither the UK or its state broadcaster the BBC and other Nato members care how many Ukrainians die, the more the better as far as they are concerned for propaganda purposes.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 18:14 utc | 90

NATO decal on it
Posted by: Ozz | Mar 6 2022 18:12 utc | 89

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NATO smartcard in it.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 6 2022 18:14 utc | 91

Willy2 @80--

Outlaw US Empire support for Ukrainian Nazis predates the 1990s by 40 years. Read This!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 18:17 utc | 92

@Virgile #82
There are many assumptions underlying your statement:

1) That the service used doesn't gather data or retain data after the account is deleted. This is false.

2) That the data gathered via a web service isn't sufficient to identify you. This is mostly false.

A simple example: You connect to XYZABC.com to use its wholly anonymous virtual number service.
The instant you connect to XYZABC.com - the XYZABC server has the right to pull literally hundreds of different pieces of data direct from your browser - all of which are entirely a function of your browser. Go to amiunique.org to see just how anonymous you are given this nonprofit group's usage of this capability as a demonstrator.
That's just browser setup data.

XYZABC.com can also pull other data related to your connection, IP address being one of them. IP address isn't just for your target website (XYZABC.com), but also you. Packets going to and from XYZABC.com get routed to you because XYZABC.com knows your IP address. So does your ISP (internet services provider). So do a number of other potential intermediaries along the way.
The IP address points to your ISP, and within the ISP, your localized portion of the IP address points to you.

Note these are just 2 passive methods. If we start looking at active methods - there are so many more starting with cookie placement/survey on to software/system setup to specific software and hardware IDs.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 6 2022 18:22 utc | 93

Allegedly two Sky news reporter were shot (not killed) just outside Kiev, the blame unsurprisingly had be apportioned to Russian forces, a nice wee propaganda story.

When the compulsive liar and UK PM Boris Johnson found out about the incident he said of it.


"The courage of the media workers was “astonishing,” he wrote, adding that they were “risking their lives to ensure that the truth is told.” "

Boris Johnson and the word truth should never be seen in the same sentence.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 18:25 utc | 94

NATO Laptop is now on sputniknews.com

NATO-Labelled Laptop With Intelligence Found at Ukrainian Nationalists' HQ, DPR Head Says

A laptop with intelligence data has been found at one of the headquarters of the Right Sector* (Ukrainian nationalists). The computer allegedly has a licensed NATO registry number, Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) head Denis Pushilin said on Sunday.

"The militants of the nationalists battalions have a special level of security clearance from the North Atlantic Alliance. This laptop contains a detailed map of the area with the location of our units," Pushilin said at a press conference.

In addition, he said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine planned to attack Crimea and Donbass in the spring of 2022.
"According to our intelligence and the testimony of prisoners, an offensive operation was supposed to begin on 8 March of this year. The facts indicate that the invasion was planned simultaneously both on the territory of the republics of Donbas and in Russia’s Crimea," Pushilin went on.

The head of the DPR showed a map of Crimea with the locations of troops marked on it.
On 24 February, Russia began a military operation to "denazify" Ukraine in response to calls for help from the

Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics (DPR and LPR) in countering the aggression of Ukrainian troops.

Prior to that, on 21 February, Russia recognised the sovereignty of the LPR and the DPR.
*The Right Sector is an extremist group outlawed in Russia


Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 6 2022 18:27 utc | 95

Today, March 6, is a day of Global Action for Peace.

In Toronto, there is a demonstration at 16:00 EST with the following demands:


- Repatriation of Canadian troops, arms and military equipment located in Europe
- That the US, NATO and EU immediately withdraw from the region and the conflict, and honour the agreement to limit
NATO’s eastern European border to Germany
- A negotiated political solution between Russia, Ukraine and the republics in the Donbas

Where is it at? Why, at Chrystia Freeland's constituency office, of course!

For those who don't know, she is Canada's Deputy Prime Minister and proud granddaughter of a notorious Banderite. 'Nuff said.


Posted by: expat | Mar 6 2022 18:27 utc | 96

William Gruff @42--

Poland's membership in NATO will be The Big Issue as I relate in my Putin Doctrine articles, which includes the missile bases. Nukes aren't needed as the hypersonics will do fine. The Baltics also need to do some quick thinking as they won't be allowed to remain in NATO either. The Putin Doctrine's primary security aspect is that no NATO nation will be allowed to abut Russia with the ultimate goal being the rolling back of NATO to its configuration prior to 1997. It has yet to dawn on those post-1997 members what will be demanded AND extracted from them, although the new security deal will be along the lines of the initial OSCE and UN Charter ideal of indivisible security. The Putin Doctrine is based on the fact that Russia is now the boss of its near abroad again and it will now diktat--fairly--to those nations, and Russia will brook no interference by the Outlaw US Empire in its near abroad anymore. IMO, that's where the treat of a nuclear exchange is, where Russia currently holds a first strike advantage.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 18:30 utc | 97

As one door closes so another opens, and with India refusing to sanction Russia, things might not get that bad in Russia, the same cannot be said of what will happen in Europe.

"Pakistan has signed a major agreement with Russia on the import of natural gas and wheat, media outlets reported this week, citing Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan.

Khan reportedly said that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin had “great discussions” during his visit to Moscow last week, where the leaders signed a bilateral agreement. He noted that Pakistan plans to import some two million tons of wheat from Russia in the near future.
The two leaders reportedly also discussed the long-delayed Pakistan Stream gas pipeline, which is to be built in collaboration with Russian companies."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 6 2022 18:32 utc | 98

For those that didn't see this yesterday, Michael Hudson on Crosstalk on Russia's security operation and the Putin Doctrine, although the latter remains nameless but somewhat explained.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 6 2022 18:36 utc | 99

This from reante-73, The reason that the ongoing repo crisis (rearing its ugly head again) is the terminal market crisis of Finance Capitalism is because the repo market is structurally and functionally the game of Hot Potato.
This is very perceptive of you and precisely as I see it. Of course, "terminal" being the controlled demolition you allude to. Hypothecated multiples of collateral already at event horizon disguised as liquid. Do tell more.

Posted by: George | Mar 6 2022 18:40 utc | 100

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