Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
Back to Main
March 3, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-20
Comments
c1ue 532,
and I think you protest too much lol.
I’m well aware that consumption is seasonal. The 18mbpdb figure (as opposed to my 20) you trotted out in order to apparently discredit everything ive ever said was from the first year of the plandemic. How convenient.
c1ue, you’re a person of low character.
Posted by: reante | Mar 4 2022 17:19 utc | 601
oldhippie 533
I don’t know what you mean by imprints. and it looks like we probably won’t agree on what the definition of ‘is’ is.
Posted by: reante | Mar 4 2022 17:21 utc | 602
https://defenceview.in/s-400-missile-set-a-record-shoot-down-the-ukrainian-su-27-from-150-km-away/
Posted by: Ajeeb | Mar 4 2022 18:14 utc | 604
RT channel in Telegram in the UK blocked no matter the VPN server. “The channel can’t be displayed because it violated local laws”
Posted by: RJB | Mar 4 2022 20:31 utc | 605
RT works in UK with US VPN, but not the Telegram channel. Weird.
Posted by: RJB | Mar 4 2022 20:37 utc | 606
Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 16:20 utc | 598 “Who would be doing those pogroms?”
I believe the appropriate phrase is “the usual suspects”, i.e., Germany.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 21:34 utc | 607
Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 15:41 utc | 584
As I said, “got to sell that merchandise”. However, given the West is building up a 16,000-man “mercenary army”, they’ll need gas masks, as I suggested.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 21:39 utc | 608
Posted by: Abe | Mar 4 2022 15:40 utc | 582
You mean, they haven’t used it yet – it’s perfect for those dug-in Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine. Of course, Russia won’t use it on most of the rest of the Ukrainian forces as they are mostly hiding in cities.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 21:41 utc | 609
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 4 2022 15:19 utc | 573
I wouldn’t put too much notice on the word “letter” – it’s probably email. Some people still say letter. Some people even still use the postal service. 🙂
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 21:45 utc | 610
I’m assuming we all agree that if it were to happen, Russia would be the one to fire the first nuke, right?
Riiight! Rather presumptuous of you. The only talk, including written strategy papers, of nuclear first-strike has come from the Great Satan. It’s why the US withdrew from all of its nuclear treaties and ramped up nuclear arms spending under Obama and since then. You’re living on another planet.
Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 4 2022 22:18 utc | 611
Tired of pretending to be nice, Democrats are joining the Azov Battalion. Going the extra mile to be PC, Azov Liberals will be gender neutral and inclusive to all except enemies of corporatism.
Posted by: Rabbit | Mar 5 2022 0:46 utc | 613
While Ukrainian government sources and Western media outlets have widely propagated claims that the Russian Military is failing in Ukraine, however, including at times for the latter with clear fabrications such as the ‘Ghost of Kiev’ fighter ace, Russian progress in the first 72 hours of operations has been very considerable particularly when compared to other campaigns against similarly large countries elsewhere in the world.
It was notable that the Russian campaign was not preceded by several weeks, or even years, of air strikes as was the case for the Western interventions against Iraq or Yugoslavia, which was likely a result of both greater confidence in the ability to achieve with air power in a shorter time as well as confidence in the ability of ground forces to counter Ukrainian forces that were relatively in tact. This can be attributed not only to the strength of Russian forces and their precision strike capabilities, which were previously extensively tested supporting counterinsurgency efforts in Syria, but also the weakness of Ukrainian forces belied by their strength in numbers. Ukraine’s military inventories have seen negligible improvements since they were inherited from the Soviet Union, and in the case of tank units have actually become considerably worse with superior models being kept in storage due to their higher operational costs or else exported leaving it reliant on the most obsolete frontline tanks on the European continent – T-64B and T-72A tanks from the early-mid 1970s. The situation in aviation is little better, with the country’s relatively small fleet of MiG-29, Su-27 and Su-24 jets being overwhelming outmatched and technologically three decades behind their Russian counterparts, while its air defence network built around the 1980s S-300PS/PT and BuK-M1 systems suffers the same issues. The underwhelming capabilities of Ukrainian forces have forced them to rely on U.S.-supplied Stinger surface to air missiles, and more significantly Javelin anti-tank missiles with ‘fire and forget’ capabilities, to asymmetrically challenge Russian forces with infantry formations. Losses among Ukrainian units, and its combat aircraft and air defences in particular, have been heavy, while available information indicates Russian Military and Ukrainian civilian casualties both remain low.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/72-hours-into-the-war-how-is-the-ukraine-campaign-going-for-russia
Doug Hillman 612,
Don’t you think Russia knows that, too, Doug?
And don’t you think that might mean something, Doug?
Posted by: reante | Mar 5 2022 6:32 utc | 615
“So now that the front-loaded sanctions and propaganda war are scorching the earth beneath Russia, and the Ukrainians are so vicious in their tactics and deception; together they stupidly opened the gates of Hell, so I ask, what’s left to lose from now on? Give them what they want!
LET IT RAIN-ALL’S FAIR IN WAR.”
Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 15:50 utc | 74
Now I’m beginning to see why Circe is considered a shill by so many here, and why no one seems surprised at his/her sudden reappearance.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Mar 5 2022 8:02 utc | 616
Good info on Zelensky and his close ties with the Nazis in Ukraine, and how the MSM use is Jewishness to throw us off the trail.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/04/how-zelensky-made-peace-with-neo-nazis/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 5 2022 11:50 utc | 617
Ukrainian media reports that Ukrainian security service SBU has arrested & killed one of Ukraine’s own negotiators in the peace talks…Denis Kireev, already being smeared as a traitor & spy
Posted by: Pete | Mar 5 2022 13:47 utc | 618
Washington will continue to supply weapons to Ukraine to keep its hybrid war going.
“The delivery of weapons to Kiev is “a continuous process. We are always, always looking at what Ukraine needs, and we’ve been doing this for years now,” according to an unnamed high-ranking US defense official cited by the paper.
After the Russian incursion, “we have just accelerated our process of identifying requirements and accelerated our consultations as well with the Ukrainians, talking to them daily, as opposed to periodic meetings that we did before this crisis,” he explained.
Some $240 million out of the $350 million in lethal aid that had been approved in late February has already been supplied to Ukraine, according to a senior defense official.
This adds to around $200 million in military assistance that Washington greenlighted for Ukraine in late December, sending M141 single-shot shoulder-launched rocket launchers, M500 shotguns, Mk-19 grenade launchers, M134 miniguns and other gear to the country.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 5 2022 15:17 utc | 619
Stephen Coo
2h ·
Even the former US Advisor to the Secretary of Defence admits that US should stop creating hostility between Russia and Ukraine. Russia had repeatedly warned US for the past 15 years that it will not tolerate US stationing US missiles and troops at it’s border like US would not tolerate Russia’s troop and missiles near US border in Cuba. US and NATO have ignored Russia’s warning by expanding it’s members in Europe which also wants to include Ukraine which is next to Russia’s border and strongly opposed such action. Putin finally acted and would not allowed NATO, under any circumstances, to allow Ukraine to join NATO. Thus the Russia and Ukraine war are all started and created by US and NATO
https://www.facebook.com/100061959691508/videos/253810270162304/
A captured Ukrainian military base near the city of Kherson – dozens of abandoned tanks, APC’s, trucks and other vehicles have been seized by Russian forces.
4,500 tonnes of ammunition, tanks rounds, guided missiles and more were also seized in ammunition depots.
Almost all of the vehicles captured are intact, and are now being towed and stored in a secure area, pending a decision on what to do with them
By @Murad_Gazdiev RT correspondent
https://www.facebook.com/100002518062539/videos/7184695374935751/
Russia destroys Javelins in Ukraine
Russia’s precision strike on a military unit in the city of Zhytomyr destroyed an ammunition depot with US-made Javelin anti-tank systems and British NLAW complexes, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
The ammunition depot was located on the territory of the military unit, it was destroyed as a result of the attack with the use of long-range precision weapons.
In total, 2,037 Ukrainian military infrastructure facilities were hit during the operation. The military destroyed 71 command posts and communications centers of the Ukrainian armed forces, 98 S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as 61 radar stations.
The Ministry of Defense reported on March 2 that a Russian tank was attacked by FGM Javelin.
“The crew of the tank suffered a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the machine was in good working order, two enemy tanks were destroyed with accurate fire,” said Igor Konashenkov, an official representative for the Ministry of Defense said.
Читайте больше на https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150590-ceasefire/?fbclid=IwAR2aIRCJsNBqadhq6SWEO50M8R8SAkjnRnOAfYQPCffWSVuGOQE3STG5v1o
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150590-ceasefire/?fbclid=IwAR2aIRCJsNBqadhq6SWEO50M8R8SAkjnRnOAfYQPCffWSVuGOQE3STG5v1o
@ajeeb | Mar 5 2022 16:19 utc | 623
Zhytomyr is some distance west of Kiev. This is approximately where some believe the country will partitioned North/South. The area further west may then serve the same purpose as Idlib in Syria, i.e. where all the extremists end up and “Poland becomes the new Turkey”.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2022 17:07 utc | 623
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/03/05/ukrainian-update-5/
“War is Hell.” The Kremlin is trying to conduct war without the Hell, and Russian troops are paying for it. Observing the Russian casualties, Chechnya’s leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, told Putin to get out of the way and let the military conduct a military operation. It makes no sense, he said, to save Ukrainian lives at the expense of Russian ones. The Chechnya leader is a loyal Putin ally. For him to speak out like this is an indication that Putin’s policy risks demoralizing the Russian Army and undermining Putin’s support among Russian nationalists.
Putin is getting no credit for trying to minimize civilian casualties. The Western media is full of headlines that “Russia has intensified its attacks on civilians.” Even at this late date the Kremlin hasn’t learned that no matter what it does, Russia will be painted in the blackest terms. The West’s response will be the same whether Putin avoids killing a single civilian or kills the entire population. The presstitutes and the US government even accuse Putin of bombing a nuclear plant in Donbass. Think about this charge for a moment. Why would Russia cause a humanitarian crisis in Donbass when Russia went to war to save Donbass from a humanitarian crisis?
Consequently, clearing them out becomes a high casualty operation of house by house, street by street fighting. This also means delay. Delay means more time for the Western media’s psyops operation against Russia. Delay thus hardens Western hatred of Russia but without generating fear of provoking and threatening her, as the operation appears to be bogged down, suggesting that the Russian military is a lesser threat that can be successfully opposed. There are reports that 16,000 volunteers and US weapons are pouring into Ukraine to trap Russia in an extended war that will result in starving Ukrainians, more grist for the psyops mill.
Russia needed to demilitarize Ukraine in 48 hours in order to establish that crossing Russian red lines has serious and conclusive consequences. Instantly, the European countries would have been fearful of further provocations. The missile bases would have departed Poland and Romania. The Finns would not be asking for NATO membership.
Instead, the impression is being created that Putin is not that decisive after all, that the Russian military is not that fearsome after all. Washington will continue to call the shots in Europe, and the provocations will continue, eventually ending in nuclear war.
“War is a drug” I agree w/ most of what @ajeeb said above to be a solid argument IN-FAVOR of an imminent nuclear exchange between the U.S and Russia in the very real-near future.. BUT – thankfully for humanity, it exists. And one could make several different arguments, in-between yours’ too why that doesn’t happen. In-fact the domino’s could fall a completely different direction than how you, or any expert(s) expect. You’d probably assume I’m an optimist, but I would argue against it, majority of the time I’m expecting us humans to chose the worse of two evils.. Only to lie about it later; until it’s being proven via substantial evidence in-front of a congressional hearing/grand jury long after they’re dead, therefore NOT to be held accountable..
My final few question(s) would be; and are those young infant children, and elderly women, trying to escape Russian shelling – crisis actors..? B’c you can find evidence of it on several different independent/encrypted social media applications. Great example – including but NOT encrypted tik-tok which China has banned by the way from all Russian Severs, since when does China ever side w/ the west on ANY sanctions against their personal allied partner Russia..? Another perfect example would be the encrypted communications network of Telegram which both Russia and Ukraine use a great deal of – and you can clearly find evidence of “war crimes” from either side by definition, but from a morality stand-point war is war to some extent, and which is worse; the photography of dead Russian soldiers-bodies, or the shelling, ultimately killing of innocent women and children?
Regardless of whose right or wrong in this argument, if Putin’s strategy was to destabilize EU/NATO countries, it appears it’s had the exact opposite effect. Which by Finland & Sweden joining NATO will only further escalate tensions between Russia and the west.. we’re in for a real treat!
Posted by: Istillfight4tea | Mar 8 2022 4:22 utc | 625
Living rentier free in William Gruff’s slave quarters of a small mind is the best revenge.
Posted by: Kingdonkeyrear.org | Mar 8 2022 8:22 utc | 626