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March 3, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-20
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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reante | Mar 4 2022 3:58 utc | 427 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 4 2022 8:35 utc | 501 Sore losers. Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2022 8:47 utc | 502 If one is in a city probably need to get out before any launch. Once the missiles are in the air I’d guess chaos will ensue and the roads out will be unnavigable. Posted by: Haassaan | Mar 4 2022 8:47 utc | 503 Russian State TV have released a report from Gostomel Airport … An-225 “Mriya”. Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2022 8:55 utc | 504 Doesn’t it strike you as hypocritical that Jacinda Ardern decries Nazism in her backyard (Christchurch) but glorified it in Ukraine. There is no principle in the west. Posted by: K | Mar 4 2022 8:57 utc | 505 Since it’s clear that Graham actively wants WWIII, his public lusting for Putin to be assassinated is the expression of his deep hope (probably subconscious, since he’s also so stupid and superficial at a conscious level) to replace the objectively moderate, arguably timid and half-hearted, Putin with someone more likely to wage war in the Ukraine more aggressively and be far more aggressive with counter-sanctions like cutting off the gas, confiscating western assets, pulling the plug on western social media, kicking out all western organizations, dealing with the pro-western traitors within etc. Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 4 2022 9:04 utc | 506 Video from rt.com of “LPR and Russian forces meet in Novodar settlement”, I looked up where Novodar is and thats a big advance for the LDP forces, I assume that the Russian troops were coming from Kiev. Pretty close to the Dnieper River south east of Kiev. Graham actively wants
https://www.lindseygraham.com/ebook/mystory_lindseygraham.pdf Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2022 9:12 utc | 508 re the insane crescendo and uniformity of propaganda: I remember thinking at some point in the vaccine mandate insanity, that this must be how Hitler did it. Posted by: K | Mar 4 2022 9:15 utc | 510 @Posted by: Roger | Mar 4 2022 9:11 utc | 509 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 4 2022 7:58 utc | 490 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 9:27 utc | 512 not such a fantastic advance
Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2022 9:29 utc | 513 Roger | Mar 4 2022 9:11 utc | 509 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 4 2022 9:31 utc | 514 Posted by: Roger | Mar 4 2022 9:11 utc | 509 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 9:31 utc | 515 Been watching “war porn” lately so as to get an idea of the Russian hardware currently in use. This sort of stuff in this videos is impressive: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 9:38 utc | 516 @reante | 208
Sure, but equally, I suggest we should endeavour to avoid making categorical statements.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1205.4926
That is definitely and obviously wrong. First of all, not by definition, but by experiments supporting the Standard Model of Quantum Mechanics. This is what Max Planck discovered and got his Nobel Prize for in 1918 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck). Until such time as he realized energy was quantized, his calculations kept coming up wrong. Infinity is not a real physical concept. It is just a mathematical model of something.
Again, wrong – especially the formulation. Although it could be said that time does not exist, it is not because ‘energy is a continuum’ but simply because we do not know what it is. I mentioned before the ideas of Lee Smolin. I really think you should look into them if you ‘worry’ about time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Reborn. His earlier book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_of_the_Cosmos is one of the more interesting books on cosmology I’ve encountered.
Wrong again. All we can say about the ‘past’ is that in the ’cause-effect relationship’ it is the cause of an effect: you see some bones in the ground, you use your dating techniques, you decide/measure they happened before you saw them and now you deduce that it was a dinosaur’s death that caused them to be in the ground for you to find. The best you can say about time is that it is an ordering of cause and effect.
I think this is enough. I need to turn to other things. Take care and peace. Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 9:56 utc | 517 too scents | Mar 4 2022 9:12 utc | 510 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 4 2022 9:56 utc | 518 a synthetically produced tool Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2022 10:01 utc | 519 Germans discussing the idiocy of the sanctions.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 4 2022 10:02 utc | 520 There was a thing in RT a couple days back about Denmark being OK with its citizens going off to fight Russia in Ukraine. Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Mar 4 2022 10:13 utc | 521 Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 9:27 utc | 514 The Dutch had a fine bunker home for Ministry of Defense in Clingendael, build during occupation 1940-45 for the German governor Arthur Seyss-Inquart, an Austrian-born Nazi politician. Most bunkers in the City of The Hague could not be removed being too cumbersome and expensive. Oui | Mar 4 2022 10:28 utc | 524 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 4 2022 10:37 utc | 524 Unless there is another Novodar? Posted by: Olivier | Mar 4 2022 10:48 utc | 525 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 4 2022 10:37 utc | 526 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 4 2022 10:53 utc | 526 NATO countries donating ATGMs and SAMs to Ukraine must be retaliated by Russia by giving them to pirates, extremists and Hezbollah to use on commercial ships and planes. That should reach them. Posted by: Jason | Mar 4 2022 10:55 utc | 527 Andrei Martyanov’s assessment as of Thursday… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 11:03 utc | 528 Preparedness Covid-19 and Gas Masks
On paper all is worked out as it was with a global virus pandemic … very low expectation the EU is ready for any event. Climate-change and energy transition? @reante #423 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 4 2022 11:15 utc | 530 reante @423 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 4 2022 11:19 utc | 531 Fallout shelters reflect Swiss fear of extinction (2009) What’s Inside a Swiss Bomb Shelter that is in every home in Switzerland Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2022 11:25 utc | 533 Fun video from Richard Medhurst analyzing the stupid calls for a no-fly-zone in Ukraine. I like Medhurst, he takes no prisoners with regard to the morons in the US government. He’s happy to call any of them “simpletons.” He shows a number of videos illustrating the idiots. Worth a look, although it might not be anything particularly new for some of us. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 11:25 utc | 534 @Oui #534 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 4 2022 11:39 utc | 535 Posted by: c1ue & @ Karlof1 Posted by: Paul | Mar 4 2022 11:40 utc | 536 @Norwegian | Mar 4 2022 7:29 utc | 483
Update: Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 4 2022 11:45 utc | 537 @Paul #538 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 4 2022 11:50 utc | 538 Rumours: real shift started in Mariupol. Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 11:55 utc | 539 we need a good view of what NATO/US has been up to in Ukraine. The threshold for war in international is very high. It was a surprise that Russia decided to go for war and regime change because while accepting that their policy is grounded in realpolitik the threshold would still be high, and they would need an urgent reason. If the whole design is more long term then the threshold becomes lower, the aggression more open and the actions become more indefensible. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 4 2022 12:03 utc | 540 RT’s video drone footage Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 12:08 utc | 541 And while we are o so worried that a tiny item of Russian propaganda might seep through, Ukraine gets full freedom and the full awareness that they can abuse this anyway they want. The scare around the nuclear powerstations should be seen in that light. I don’t think Russia bothers much about propaganda in the west. Authoritarian regimes don’t rely on it much. Democratic regimes may rely on it very strongly. I see no mention of it in the domestic flemish press that Azov troops are in Mariupol and that they are very well capable of any al qaeda trick in the book, including human shields and false flag attacks. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 4 2022 12:09 utc | 542 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 4 2022 10:02 utc | 522 Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 4 2022 12:13 utc | 543 “All that we CAN objectively say about the universal CONTINUUM is that the past and the future both absolutely exist, and that the present does not.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 4 2022 12:16 utc | 544 And re: my own post 542 , I plan to work through John Helmer’s latest articles to and figure out how much meat is on them. Seems Zelenski is pretty vague about the status of nuclear weapons deployment. Their own, nato, some other security compensation? Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 4 2022 12:25 utc | 545
This sounds more like an act of desperation than anything else — even if you’re not in my part of the USA, where there’s no shortage of targets but relatively few population centers of consequence. One would be much better advised to head toward Ground Zero, as instant vaporization is infinitely preferable to protracted agony. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2022 12:26 utc | 546 RT.com still up in San Francisco, as is Sputniknews.com and Tass.com. Kremlin.ru not accessible. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 12:32 utc | 547 Rufus Arrr | Mar 4 2022 3:11 utc | 416 Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 4 2022 12:33 utc | 548 Russian MoD responds to Zaporozhskaya nuclear power station incident
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 12:34 utc | 549 @oldhippie #533
There absolutely will be a point in the future when absolute oil production *and* absolute petroleum product production peaks. Posted by: c1ue | Mar 4 2022 12:49 utc | 550 Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 4 2022 12:03 utc | 542 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 12:49 utc | 551 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 11:55 utc | 541 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 4 2022 12:57 utc | 552 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 11:55 utc | 541 Posted by: Olivier | Mar 4 2022 13:10 utc | 553 @Tuyzentfloot #542 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 4 2022 13:15 utc | 554 Syria is already a zone of confrontation. Does these two statements sound familiar (paraphrasing both): Posted by: drshivago | Mar 4 2022 13:19 utc | 555 Might as well declare open war and be done with it. Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2022 13:21 utc | 556 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 4 2022 13:15 utc | 556 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 13:23 utc | 557 imo 493; what you’re describing has little to do with Nixon, (though it started there) but the real difference was the ending of the progressive tax code. That kept the financial excess in check. From WW2 till Reagan we had zero systemic bank failures, once Reagan destroyed the progressive tax code; speculation was encouraged, and it wasn’t long till we had the SnL crisis, then the Dotcom bubble, then O8, and the bubble looming now. Financiers, execs, and lobbyists were capped out and couldn’t take any more money out of the system without the Gov’t getting 70%, so anything more was “vanity” Before, execs were limited, so extra profits were put back into the firm, or employees; the higher the nominal tax rate, the greater the incentive; that’s why we weren’t socialist under Ike’s 91% top tax rate; it was VERY good for capital reinvestment; under low taxes firms strip their firms, off-shoring production to bonus the execs. Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 4 2022 13:29 utc | 558 US Senator wants Russians to assassinate Putin. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 14:06 utc | 559 as to the timing, there are reports Russia waited till the Olympics were over, in consideration of the Chinese; Winter is just breaking, meaning it’s the maximal time till next Winter; Soldiers and hunters like to get out before dawn, leaves the entire day for “activities” Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 4 2022 14:09 utc | 560 Alert England streaming propaganda:
On Ukraine’s Zaporozhskaya nuclear power plant and the attack it came under. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 14:20 utc | 562 @ Posted by: Oui | Mar 4 2022 14:16 utc | 563 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2022 14:28 utc | 563 i bet the Guardian still hasn’t removed that infamous Luke Harding story about Assange meeting Manafort at the Ecuadoran embassy. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 4 2022 14:34 utc | 564 The Ukrainian Neo-Nazis are using civilians as shields. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 14:34 utc | 565 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 3 2022 23:14 utc | 318
Posted by: cirsium | Mar 4 2022 14:40 utc | 566 Ukrainian eye witness tells of Ukrainian forces shelling residential areas to blame it on the Russians. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 14:41 utc | 567 @ pretzelattack | Mar 4 2022 14:34 utc | 566 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2022 14:47 utc | 568 @malenkov–figures. I wrote them an email, they said they “stood by the story” whatever that was supposed to mean, but they never opened up comments and they never answered any questions about it. I haven’t had any reason to go back. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 4 2022 14:58 utc | 569 @ pretzelattack | Mar 4 2022 14:58 utc | 571 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2022 15:04 utc | 570 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 9:27 utc | 514 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 4 2022 15:19 utc | 571 From https://www.rt.com/news/551236-no-nato-warplanes-ukraine/
NATO is US and US *is* at war with Russia (maybe not fully kinetic yet) so Stoltenberg is lying as usual.
Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 15:21 utc | 572 @ Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 15:21 utc | 574 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2022 15:22 utc | 573 Greg Galloway 497, Posted by: reante | Mar 4 2022 15:24 utc | 574 https://t.me/s/rian_ru Posted by: MD | Mar 4 2022 15:28 utc | 575 Link without comment to an article behind a paywall. Surely you can do better than that?
Check out the paywall defeater at GitHub here: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 4 2022 15:32 utc | 577 Posted by: Kadath | Mar 4 2022 4:29 utc | 440 Posted by: juliania | Mar 4 2022 15:36 utc | 578 The spin about assassinations of Ze… Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 15:37 utc | 579 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2022 9:38 utc | 518 Posted by: Abe | Mar 4 2022 15:40 utc | 580 Update #2 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 4 2022 15:40 utc | 581 @Richard Steven Hack | 514 Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 15:41 utc | 582 Intel SlavaZ claims Ze fled to Poland: Posted by: TomD | Mar 4 2022 15:41 utc | 583 “Is there a Brutus in Russia? Is there a more successful Colonel Stauffenberg in the Russian military?” Sen. Lindsay Graham Tweeted on Thursday night. Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 15:46 utc | 584 RT is down in UK so I thought I would have a wee look on Aljazeera to see if there was any unbaised reporting of the Ukraine/Russia conflict, I shouldn’t have bothered, Aljazeera in its reporting on the conflict is utterly for Ukraine in every sense of the word, it was just non-stop Ukrainian propaganda spewing from the station. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 15:47 utc | 585 Rumors that Zelensky is now in Poland Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 4 2022 15:47 utc | 586 Posted by: TomD | Mar 4 2022 15:41 utc | 585 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 15:50 utc | 587 @Norwegian | 588
I guess that means the negotiations are over. Brave stuff all round. Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 15:51 utc | 588 …if there was any unbaised reporting of the Ukraine/Russia conflict, Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 15:51 utc | 589 “The ICC (International Criminal Court) is in the process of accepting the Ukraine’s complaint of war crimes or crimes against humanity against Russia and Belarus in the Ukraine. (Israel and Palestine comes to mind and also the Yemen). The complainer has to have membership of course, but the ICC has awarded a quasi membership to Ukraine from nowhere.” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 15:52 utc | 590 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 4 2022 15:32 utc | 579 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 4 2022 15:55 utc | 591 Sputnik on Zelenskys whereabouts: Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 4 2022 15:55 utc | 592 @Republicofscotland | 592
I’ve also noticed the bit about Coca Cola and it doesn’t make sense. And even it they are open do you seriously think the Russians would let them do their spooky shit from there? I reckon its more BS and its just the case that the Russians have not retaliated fully to the sanctions. Once they do it’ll be free Coca Cola in Russia. Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 15:58 utc | 593 @Jörgen Hassler | 594 Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 16:08 utc | 594 Reading through several articles including this one from the Saker, it would appear that in Europe they are openly stealing anything belonging to Russians and a blind eye is being turned possibly because of the mass media and its anti-Russian propaganda, how long before the pogroms begin in Europe, and Russians are killed I wonder. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 16:11 utc | 595 @Republicofscotland | 597
I don’t consider that is likely. Who would be doing those pogroms? Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 16:20 utc | 596 “I don’t consider that is likely” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 16:33 utc | 597 “THE BBC will “temporarily suspend” the work of all its BBC News journalists and support staff in Russia after authorities passed legislation.” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 4 2022 16:39 utc | 598 @Republicofscotland | 599
Russians are already being beaten up here and there, sure. But there is (still) a few steps to go before we are asked to march in goose-step and kill all them evil Russians living in our midst. Posted by: Idiocrates | Mar 4 2022 16:43 utc | 599 “@reante | 208 Posted by: reante | Mar 4 2022 17:08 utc | 600 |
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