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March 3, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-20

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consistent with the fundamental rights and freedoms recognised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights, in particular with the right to freedom of expression and information as recognised in Article 11 thereof, to introduce further restrictive measures to urgently suspend the broadcasting activities of such media outlets in the Union, or directed at the Union(…)
Posted by: Leuk | Mar 3 2022 18:36 utc | 191
The text of Article 11 must be interesting, I will try to find it.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 3 2022 19:08 utc | 201

Posted by: Roger | Mar 3 2022 18:22 utc | 186
Thanks for all this, Roger. I’m a fan of cricket radio broadcasts as well — used to turn off the tv sound and listen to the radio when both were on simultaneously as radio commentary was delightful to listen to.
“…We understood that things take time, an understanding that some of the commentators here need…”
Yes, indeed!

Posted by: juliania | Mar 3 2022 19:23 utc | 202

I tried to watch / read most of todays media in Germany – it’s basically full spectrum brainwashing, lies, lies, lies… so why are they doing that?
Two things come to my mind:
a) they need support of the masses because the sanctions will hit us hard too
b) they are preparing us to an involvement of NATO

Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 19:25 utc | 203

The guy on youtube with the maps, raised some very good points:
1. The Russians seem to be creating as long a front line as possible, making it impossible to defend by the Ukrainians
2. A new attack group is assembling in the Brest (Belarus) area, if they enter it will be straight into the Western part of Ukraine that faces Poland. This would cut off any ability to supply Ukraine from Poland (especially when combined with the southern front thrust to Moldova.
3. Could be a landing near Odessa, against the massively overstretched defenders – a long coastline and not enough Ukrainian soldiers.
If 2. and 3. play out all the propaganda saying that the Russian military is having problems will disappear. The Western elites and their MSM may then completely meltdown in utter frustration and anger. It will be a sight to behold. #2 would also forestall any thought of creating a last Nazi redoubt from which to cause trouble long-term.
Russia also providing humanitarian aid in the areas it completely or heavily controls, gaining the support of the population and helping remove any possibilities for the Western MSM for “Russia is starving Ukrainians”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg6I4wFVxFQ

Posted by: Roger | Mar 3 2022 19:27 utc | 204

Putin’s latest speech: everything in Ukraine “on schedule”.
The beauty of not Tweeting everything is that it enables flexibility.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2022 19:29 utc | 205

White House Spokeswoman Jen Psaki: The United States is transmitting real-time information about Russian troops to Ukraine.
This seems awfully close to entering the war.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 3 2022 19:32 utc | 206

Idiocrates 172,
Appreciate the intelligent response.
I read what you wrote. You are saying that only the Present exists and not the Past nor the Future. This is the opposite of what I understand to be true. Therefore, in your initial response, you would have been more accurate in your assessment to say that my understanding is completely wrong rather than what you did say, which was, that my understanding wasn’t “exactly right.” Maybe that’s you in polite-mode, I don’t know, but I’m inclined to think that group analysis is better off if we all just mean what we say.
Let’s put your link into context. Those experiments took place in the 70s and 80s, when quantum physics had yet to become a mature field. We now know that there is no collapsing of the wave function in vivo (in nature). These experimental conclusions were completely dependent on the hypothesis that particles materially exist just because when we filter our observations of Reality theough mechanical machinery lo and behold the machinery interprets Reality as mechanistic. Lol. Surprise surprise. And so nerdy man, in his 1980s honeymoon period with computers WANTS to have his cake and eat it too, so he decides the ‘photon’ is a real thing, because that’s what the machine ‘sees’ in freeze-frame, as well as the previously accepted, KISS-principled, actual truth that light is a wave function. So nerdy honeymoon man comes up with the ridiculous notion that there is a fundamental duality to Reality.
(You said that you believe duality has since been confirmed. What is your evidence?)
This era of early quantum physics was the field going through its growing pains, not yet having shed the establishmentarian
and childish scientific materialism of the preceding era. Now quantum physics makes it clear that all quanta is energy.
Energy, by definition, is a continuum. A dynamic continuum.
The now-mature field of quantum physics has shown with it’s much more powerful machines and supercomputers, that no amount of magnification or processing power can collapse the universal Wavefunction; therefore, Reality is Energy.
But that’s not all, obviously. We cannot just say that Reality is Energy alone, because reality is highly organized. So we MUST acknowledge an organizing function. In the West we generally refer to that function as Consciousness. The animists of our universal human heritage referred to the organizing function as some variation of “the great spirit in the sky,” the sky meaning Energy, and comprising both the Sky and Earth. Earth and Sky : different energy (frequencies, and organization of frequency), same consciousness.
Again, energy is a dynamic continuum, and continuums have no parts, and therefore no stopping and starting points. THIS is why the human mental construct of ‘time’ does not objectively exist. And, by extension, this is why the ‘Present’ does not exist. What man mistakes for the Present is of course the immediate Past.
And what exactly is the Past? Well, if reality itself is just energy in symbiosis with that which animates energy — consciousness — then the past is simply the Collective Applied (to energy) Consciousness that we can see has already visibly energized the local universe, because it’s right there in front of our eyes. Right? What we take in with our five senses is simply a continual update of the conscious continuum in our immediate vicinity, so that our consciousness can know how to continue to act upon our energy.
We can KNOW that the Past exists because the evidence that applied consciousness — Life — leaves an imprint on the universe, that Life constitutes a universal memory is everywhere: dinosaur fossils are still taking up space in the universe are they not? Indeed they are. The mineral remnants of their PAST living, biological phase of applied consciousness still persist! Therefore the Past exists.
We can know that the Future exists because the Past cannot be the Past without a future to draw from so as to add to the Past that is always growing in front of our eyes.
It should, then, be no surprise why the establishment has pushed the false religion of the ‘Present’ onto the mind of man. The more lost man is, the easier he is to control.

Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 19:34 utc | 207

@Posted by: juliania | Mar 3 2022 19:23 utc | 203
The TV commentary is just awful, always preferred the radio. I remember when England was playing India in India, and one of the sports for the crowd was throwing things at the English fielders. The commentary was something like “so-and-so is fielding at the boundary in a sea of orange peels [and/or whatever else they would throw at them).”
It seems that they have continued the tradition, and its not just against English players “As India collapsed, fans vented their fury by throwing water bottles from the two-levels gallery three and four as it continued unabated in the innings break.”
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/plastic-fans-shame-india-crowd-attack-takes-centre-stage-266560-2015-10-06

Posted by: Roger | Mar 3 2022 19:36 utc | 208

transmitting real-time information about Russian troops to Ukraine.
Posted by: WJ | Mar 3 2022 19:32 utc | 207

An hilariously stupid admission.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2022 19:41 utc | 209

@zet | Mar 3 2022 19:25 utc | 204

I tried to watch / read most of todays media in Germany – it’s basically full spectrum brainwashing, lies, lies, lies… so why are they doing that?

They know what is going on in Ukraine and they are involved.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 19:43 utc | 210

drshivago 201,
In attempting to bargain with the Big Lie you are regurgitating the Big Lie.
The US consumes about 20mbpd.
Has the US and Canada EVER produced the 20mbpd required to become independent?
Will it ever?
The US is a net exporter of refined petroleum but that’s another thing altogether.

Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 19:45 utc | 211

So EU bigwigs are sending Ukraine a whopping half a billion Euro’s in aid, I don’t recall any other non EU country receiving such a large amount in aid. Certainly not Palestine or the islands of Chagos both countries peoples have suffered terribly for decades.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2022 19:48 utc | 212

@Kooshy | Mar 3 2022 16:18 utc | 97
You flatter yourself.
Europe at the end of the day is just a peninsula sticking out from eurasia. It’s at the far end of the traditional silk road, but not the silk road in and of itself. As such, brI will work just fine with the rest of the world connected. It’s better with europe thrown in. But if they opt out, it’s their loss.

Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 19:48 utc | 213

Boris Rozhin:

As I have already written many times, Mariupol and Kharkov are a repeat of what ISIS was doing in Raqqa and Mosul. It’s a 1:1 correspondence.
Civilians living in Ukrainian cities must understand that for Zelenskiy’s gang they are either a living shield or hostages—that’s perfectly clear from the situation in Kharkov and Mariupol. The same fate is being prepared for Odessa.

Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 19:50 utc | 214

While Russia may win this war, it has been exposed as a much weaker military than it pretended (or believed) to be.
The loss of hundreds of ground vehicles, destroyed or abandoned, as well as dozens of planes and helicopters (and that’s only what has been captured on video!), the massive amount of casualties that necessarily derive from those losses, the 40 km traffic jam that would have been bombed into oblivion by any country with a large and competent airforce, Russia’s inability to secure the skies for all this time, as evidenced by the preference for low-level flying… all this is embarrassing. For Russia, of course, but also for all the pro-Russian commentators such as the Saker et al., who have been exposed as true believers in the best case, along with their audiences who are currently repeating autistic mantras based on the terms “nazis” and “banderastan” to make themselves feel better, or as clowns in the worst case, as they live in denial, and can’t face the fact that all their predictions have been wrong.
Ukraine didn’t fold. The government didn’t escape. Ukrainians support their armed forces. Russia did not destroy the Ukrainian capability to fight and organize with long-range fires. Russian troops on the ground accumulate blunder after blunder, and seem utterly unprepared on many levels.
Russia, the only military superpower on the planet? After this embarrassment?
I believed it, too. But the proof is in the pudding.
Now, I just hope that the bloodshed won’t be too extreme.

Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 19:51 utc | 215

WJ 207,
If that’s what Psaki said then according to the internal logic of the War Theater I wouldn’t be surprised if it was about that time for Russia to break the nuclear test ban treaty. The question being where will they choose to test?

Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 19:52 utc | 216

Update on second round of talks.
“During the second round of talks in Belarus on Thursday, Moscow and Kiev agreed on mechanisms to establish routes via which to evacuate civilians from combat zones in Ukraine.
“The parties have reached an understanding on the joint establishment of humanitarian corridors with a temporary ceasefire. Russia and Ukraine will soon create channels of communication and cooperation to organize these corridors,” Ukrainian presidential aide Mikhail Podolyak said.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2022 19:52 utc | 217

Posted by: Oisin | Mar 3 2022 13:34 utc | 9
I know you’re new here but you must have used language before. Your post is unintelligible.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 3 2022 19:54 utc | 218

Moldovan President, Maia Sandu graduated from Harvard, worked as an advisor to the World Bank and her native tongue is Romanian. In 2016 she lost the presidential race to a pro-Russian 52 to 48, but in 2020 she won 58 to 42. You have to admire the skill that the US has in co-opting foreign state functionaries! She is all for joining the EU and against giving Transnistria independence.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 3 2022 19:56 utc | 219

Posted by: wobblie | Mar 3 2022 17:50 utc | 173
“slant eyed commie”
Get a grip of yourself. You sound like a fascist.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 3 2022 20:04 utc | 220

Interesting bit here about the idea of confiscating all Boeing AND (!) Airbus aircraft used by Russian airlines. I think they should do it. It will be a welcome relief for the Russian airlines, you know, not having to spend any more foreign currency on leasing payments.
Seems clear that in the mid term, they will have to switch to either Russian or Chinese jets. Those sanctions won’t be taken back any time soon. Once Russian commercial airliners like the Irkut MC-21 and Sukhoi Superjet 100 are out there flying in sufficient numbers, the Russians should take things one step further. In addition to closing their airspace for companies from EU/NATO countries, they should also bar any Boeing and Airbus jets from entering or crossing their airspace. No matter who the owner might be. What do they have to loose with such a measure? The market share of Irkut or Sukhoi is zero, it can only go up with such an incentive for other countries to also buy some Russian planes. It would be funny if, in such a scenario, Russia might get the Iranians on board, too. Iran’s airlines have very old fleets. They were longing to buy replacements from Boeing and Airbus with a successful JCPOA. Those plans turned out to be idle dreams, as we know. So why not give them excellent terms for buying modern Russian jets, in exchange for Iran closing its airspace to those old Boeing and Airbus planes? I’d really like to see European business men trying to get to their business partners in China or Korea in a timely fashion while having to avoid Russia, Ukraine, Afghanistan and Iran on their way!
Last thought: I’d love for B to perhaps write something about Russia’s or China’s commercial aircraft projects! You know, since we got this excellent coverage of the Boing MAX disaster from him.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 3 2022 20:06 utc | 221

Maia Sandu (Moldovan President) is also a member of the ” Council of Women World Leaders” which is strongly affiliated with the WEF.
“Since 2005, the Council of Women World Leaders has maintained a strong relationship with the World Economic Forum (WEF) through participating in the Women Leaders Advisory Board, the Gender Parity Program, the Global Agenda Council for Women’s Empowerment, and the Annual Meeting in Davos, Switzerland.​”
https://www.councilwomenworldleaders.org/partners.html
The US and Western elite tentacles just seem to spread everywhere, just like weeds. My apologies to weeds for comparing them to the WEF, and for using the hate-speech term “weeds” rather than “wild plants growing where huMANity does not want it to” (witeMANdoit acronym).

Posted by: Roger | Mar 3 2022 20:09 utc | 222

Eeny | 216
Here is another “US experts say Russia is failing” article for you:
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220303-us-experts-militarily-the-russian-invasion-is-a-disaster-so-far

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 3 2022 20:10 utc | 223

Russian humanitarian convoy with food arrives in Melitopol, Zaporozhskaya (Zaporizhska) Oblast: https://t.me/boris_rozhin/26896

Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 20:11 utc | 224

You know what Americans fear most besides not being the greatest power on earth and in space?
1. Mass immigration, and
2. A weak, sinking dollar (In god we trust, god being $$$!)
The EU and Canada have stupidly suffered all the refugee problems the U.S. and Israel created with these two washing blood off their hands together.
Idem for the mass Ukrainian exodus, because this problem was also constructed by hostile U.S. policy.
The ultimate understated goal of U.S. policy beyond destroying multipolarity is to sink the EURO and keep Europe and also Canada harnessed to the U.S. on every level.
If The U.S. succeeds in weakening Russia; China will topple like a house of cards.
Who’s the real Evil Empire?
The key to destroying the U.S. lies with immigration and the economy.
Whichever power can devise a plan to inflict either of the above 2 on U.S. holds an Ace to defeating the Empire.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 20:18 utc | 225

Bevin #70
Thank you forthe bioweapons report at neo.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 3 2022 20:20 utc | 226

@Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 3 2022 20:06 utc | 222
The Chinese jets, regional one already getting delivered. The bigger C919 still in flight trials
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-aviation-comac-idUSKBN23Z03G
The Russo-Chinese wide body 929 is scheduled for a release date of 2028. The Russian sanctions will concentrate the minds to deliver sooner. The Superjet 100 is already out there, the Irkut-21 is scheduled for deliveries the year, both regional jets.
The West worked hard to stop these being developed, forcing the production companies to domestically source more and more. If they get successful, Airbus and Boeing have a problem in the Res of the World.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 3 2022 20:21 utc | 227

Why is Russia not throwing CNN correspondent, Nick Robertson, out of the country when he’s spewing the worst, unmitigated garbage propaganda against Russia from his vulture perch in Moscow?
It’s time to show him the door and give this asshole the boot!
Omg! He’s so vile.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 20:33 utc | 228

Is it true that Aidar Battalion was routed, went dissolved/extinct and its commander General Maxim Marchenko became governor of the Cherkassy or Odessa region? (as per voltair network)
And were was operating?

Posted by: LeoSam | Mar 3 2022 20:37 utc | 229

CNN correspondent, Nick Robertson
Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 20:33 utc | 229

His self beclowning is funny and permanent.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 230

turns out that huge 630 billion USD war chest accumulated to support Russia against sanctions was not all in Russia. Turns out they were keeping approx. half in western banks. Brilliant. Remember follow the Leader, he is always right. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/banks-are-stopping-putin-from-tapping-a-630-billion-war-chest-russia-stockpiled-before-invading-ukraine/ar-AAUxE3T?ocid=msedgntp

Posted by: wobblie | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 231

Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 19:51 utc | 216
While Russia may win this war…
It’s not important whether Russia’s military may be weak or not. The war just has to be expensive for Russia, financially and in terms of bodies being sent home. The idea is to put more pressure on Putin, financially and by the people moaning about the dead soldiers.
In the end, it’s all just about the pressure they can put on Putin – economically, financially, “socially” (isolating Russia), by the ordinary people, by the oligarchs etc. etc.
The worst for the US of Evil, right now, would be a quick defeat of Russia. The longer and bloodier the war, the better for them. So they will keep it running and make it more expensive.
Remember: their goal is regime change in Moscow.

Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 232

@Scotch Bingeington | Mar 3 2022 20:06 utc | 222
@Roger | Mar 3 2022 20:21 utc | 228
China’s C919, Which competes directly with boeing 737 and airbus 320, is in the certification process right now. In fact, its first delivery was due last year, but certification was delayed, most likely because of potential US sanctions on aircraft engines and some of its key Chinese suppliers. Last time I checked it already had over 800 orders on hand. The main obstacle at certification being obviously the faa. But then boeing 737max is still being grounded in China. So that’s a card China can play.

Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 233

@205 At some point the Western media will have to admit the truth. But they won’t be happy about it.
It’s not hard to guess how they’ll spin it. They will be sure to tell us how brutal the Russians were. How bravely the UAF fought the ruthless bully. How many children were killed etc. etc. They probably have the headlines already written.

Posted by: dh | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 234

John Helmer over at johnhelmer.net has a lot of good info. Someone has probably given you that link, but it bears mentioning in case someone hasn’t.

Posted by: Manage without me | Mar 3 2022 20:46 utc | 235

Russia is embarrassing its own military with this PR exercise. 500 dead soldiers in couple of days is just the complete tail of dead American soldiers after 15 years in Afganistan. After 8 days Ukros still shelling Donbass? And now they are talking about ceasefire probably because they are afraid what the Guardian or the Washington Post will write about them? I think Russia at the end will get participation trophy and special kind of stupid award. PCR is right, just shut up and do the job.

Posted by: donnie | Mar 3 2022 20:49 utc | 236

Lots of one sided war propaganda and disinfo spreading best taking a break form this crap. I fear this wont end well, shame on the war crazies, shame on the mess.

Posted by: Hannibal | Mar 3 2022 20:51 utc | 237

re. disinformation –
https://www.speakingofspain.com/spain-blog/has-orwell-got-something-to-tell-us-about-spain
Orwell was a great person. Assange is similar in charachter and affect.
Because someone states something unpleasant, does not make them your enemy or “on the other side”. Please try to keep up.

Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 20:52 utc | 238

Posted by: wobblie | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 232
Putting reserves in foreign banks is certainly stupid as fuck.
For some unfathomable reason a lot of countries do it.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 3 2022 20:54 utc | 239

Double standards from the usual suspects:
https://popularresistance.org/governors-who-criminalized-bds-in-their-states-demand-boycott-of-russia/

Posted by: Paul | Mar 3 2022 20:55 utc | 240

Replying to myself at Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 233
I should have mentioned that the absolute fiasco for the US of Evil would have been a quick win for Putin. But I think that’s off the table by now…

Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 20:55 utc | 241

looking at the map of Ukraine and the current location of Russian forces even the fake news media is unable to obscure the fact that the Russians are advancing on every front and the Ukrainians have been reduced to forming penal battalions, conscripting every able bodied man between 16-60 and leaving piles of arms in public for anyone to take. these are not the actions of a strong regime confident of victory. The Russians are steam-rolling an entire country and this war will be over in another 20-30 days (unless NATA/US does something suicidal, like intervening, in which case everyone loses).
The hysterical panic in the West is already at fever pitch over Russia, what will happen once Russia achieves victory, ends combat operations and the new Pro-Russian Ukrainian government is. At the very least, we can expect a replay of the Afghanistan disgrace, with the West sanctioning it’s former “friends” the people of Ukraine, confiscating the Ukrainian central bank reserves, banning transactions, forming a government in exile and attempting to bank roll a terrorist insurgency in the middle of Europe.

Posted by: Kadath | Mar 3 2022 20:56 utc | 242

@Eeny
I think you’re a bit too negative, but I’m far from thinking the same as you. On the other hand it seems logical to assume that Russia didn’t commit its best troops and kept the numbers limited. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. But yes I also was more optimistic and the past days have been kind of a disillusionment for me.
However don’t forget the famous saying of Moltke, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. And throughout centuries, every army considered best in the world at the time experienced setbacks. The Prussian army was considered traditionally best in the world in 1806, and suffered an absolutely crushing defeat at Iena. Perhaps the most clear example of total dominance was the Great Army of Napoleon, but even it suffered defeats, usually when Napoléon wasn’t commanding itself. And in Spain it suffered an humiliating defeat against the Spaniards and the English, in a situation which resembles quite a bit the Russia-Ukraine one (Russia = France, Spain = Ukraine, UK = NATO).
Perhaps the conclusion is that in the past years we’ve all drunk too much Kool-aid. No army is a perfect set of übermenschen, and reality has a way of being unexpected. However I think Russians will handle it and are used to hardship.

Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 20:56 utc | 243

CIA rolls out one of it’s well known turds. (#8 on Anne Morelli’s list c/o b, 2/28/2022)
CIA-Reuters introduced it this way:
“March 3 (Reuters) – Russian human rights activist and former world chess champion Garry Kasparov…”
Here is the money quote from Agent K:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kasparov-calls-world-powers-throw-russia-back-into-stone-age-2022-03-03/

“Russia should be thrown back into the Stone Age to make sure that the oil and gas industry and any other sensitive industries that are vital for survival of the regime cannot function without Western technological support,” Kasparov said.

That “Stone Age” remark is a favorite of Zios, who constantly want to throw Lebanon or Iran or Syria
back to the Stone Age.
Take for example:
https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/israel-will-return-lebanon-stone-age-minister
https://www.jpost.com/In-Jerusalem/Can-Israel-defeat-Hezbollah-599290
https://www.arabamerica.com/israel-threatens-return-lebanon-stone-age/
Kasparov most likely has one ear plugged into Izrael night and day.

Posted by: librul | Mar 3 2022 20:58 utc | 244

“Russia is embarrassing its own military with this PR exercise. 500 dead soldiers in couple of days is just the complete tail of dead American soldiers after 15 years in Afganistan. After 8 days Ukros still shelling Donbass? And now they are talking about ceasefire probably because they are afraid what the Guardian or the Washington Post will write about them? I think Russia at the end will get participation trophy and special kind of stupid award. PCR is right, just shut up and do the job.
Posted by: donnie | Mar 3 2022 20:49 utc | 237”
In Afghanistan USA just did what it’s doing best, carpet-bombing the whole country and offshoring the dirty work to allied tribes, CIA black ops teams, and Blackwater mercenaries. What about Iraq ?

Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 20:59 utc | 245

War in Ukraine is a Jewish War against the Russian and Ukrainian people. Zionists have been nurturing Canadian and Ukrainian Nazis for decades. The”>https://www.voltairenet.org/article215934.html

The

Yad Vashem memorial, the most important Holocaust remembrance center the world, initially condemned the amalgamation made by Russian President Vladimir Putin between certain Ukrainian groups and the Nazis.
Kremlin spokesman Dmirty Preskov then invited the institution to come to the Donbass to see the mass graves.
The Ukrainian ambassador in Tel Aviv deplored the Russian “lies” and said that the Kremlin lives decidedly in another world. For his part, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky recalled that he is Jewish and therefore cannot be a Nazi.
To date, the Yad Vashem Memorial has not responded to the Kremlin’s invitation.
European Jewish institutions have pointed out that several years ago they expelled Ukrainian billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky from their ranks because of his ties to the underworld and the neo-Nazis. Mr. Kolomoisky served as the agent of Jewish actor Volodymyr Zelensky.

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 246

Individuals try to obtain the facts from untrusted sources are particulary subject to manipultation.
Perhaps more so than from recognized proganda of whom at least one can say with fair confidence that they are lying if they are awake and communicating.

Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 247

@ zet | Mar 3 2022 20:55 utc | 242
Yes, I agree.
Because after all, they’ve been at it for about a week now.
The people wish to be entertained.

Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:03 utc | 248

@Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 248
For his part, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky recalled that he is Jewish and therefore cannot be a Nazi.
Except when Nazis hold torches to his feet. Then he dances like a Nazi.
In 2019 Zelensky moved to implement the Minsk Accord.
He had a visit from Azov and C14, who made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
Zelensky backed off. And here we are today.

Posted by: librul | Mar 3 2022 21:07 utc | 249

Russian chocolate is flying off the shelf in China.
https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-china-ecommerce-idAFL1N2V607Y
For those that are curious about the reaction of the average Chinese on the street, here is an interesting take. Some Chinese customers of the above online store have remarked about buying Russian vodka in anticipation of the eventual annihilation of Azov battalion which was involved in the hong kong color revolution.
And the graffiti outside the canadian embassy in beijing was not just ‘critical of nato’, it was point blank ‘*** nato’.:-)
And the Pro ukraine comments? I’m sure there are some, but most of them are posted by the so called dog foodie, people on the dole of the west. It’s quite interesting that Taiwan is having a massive blackout today just in time for Pompeo’s visit and a scheduled broadcast. During the blackout, Weibo’s activity is down to only 68% of normal.

Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:08 utc | 250

Not sure the term “fungible” applies.
But Russia will reduce sales of oil to us/eu. Which will cause prices to rise. But China will get good deal from Russia – reducing China demand from other sources. Which will free those resources to be sold to us/eu.
The primary difference would be supply costs.

Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:09 utc | 251

How much more obviously hopeless will their situation have to become before Ukrainians beg their government to surrender?
Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2022 13:15 utc | 3

This is the biggest–and most shocking–disappointment to me so far: The Ukrainian “leaders” are acting with complete and utter irresponsibility, apparently in the belief that if they just let the West use them in their cynical games a little longer–a West that has already displayed a deep lack of real concern for the people of Ukraine–the West will save these same “leaders” from having to make their own decisions about the well-being of Ukrainians. Instead of coming to a quick and obvious political settlement–recognition of the facts with regard to Donbas and Crimea, and a commitment to neutrality–the people making decisions in Ukraine are dooming the country to ongoing war and suffering for perhaps decades.
For what? To continue making themselves pawns in a game that is not to their benefit and promises only endless misery? What kind of derangement makes such self-destruction possible? Nationalism? Delusions of importance (to the West)? Hatred of Russia? It is all just so blind and self-defeating–breathtaking in its brutal stupidity. It’s as if the very idea of taking responsibility for peace is pure anathema. This is not how adults with other people’s lives in their hands should ever act.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Mar 3 2022 21:10 utc | 252

I just watched the map of the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and for the life of me i can’t understand why are the Ukrainians not pulling back?
They are almost completely surrounded some of them right now don’t have a change to get out.

Posted by: Ranko | Mar 3 2022 21:11 utc | 253

Donnie and others,
You can’t compare casualties with US numbers because there are very precise rules for counting them in the US. If a soldier is shot on the battlefield but dies in medivac, not a casualty. Same with dying in the hospital from wounds suffered in battle. It’s the opposite for counting enemy dead. If there was one male >18, the whole wedding party counts as enemies killed.

Posted by: Lex | Mar 3 2022 21:12 utc | 254

Ukrainian Nazis have been in cahoots with US-sponsored “moderate terrorists” from the get-go. When Nuland-Kagan, a ziocon from the Kagans’ clan, was organizing regime change in Kiev in 2014, she relied on “White Fuhrers” Biletski, Yarosh, and Parubij.
Nuland-Kagan brought to Kieve cookies and $5 billion to buy collaborators among the leading Nazis, who eventually have sold Ukraine and Ukrainians to US Ziocons and profiteers like Biden and his son Hunter. https://www.voltairenet.org/article215935.html

Chechnya governor Ramzan Kadyrov announced the seizure of the largest Ukrainian military base by a Chechen regiment. Traditionally the Chechens are considered to be outstanding fighters.
Kadyrov also promised a $500,000 reward for the capture of Ukrainian Nazi leaders who arrived in Chechnya to fight with jihadists from the Islamic Emirate of Ichkeria.
On 8 May 2007 in Ternopol (western Ukrainia), the neo-Nazi Dmytro Yarosh, current special adviser to the Ukrainian military forces commander, had organized, together with Emir Dokou Oumarov, a congress to seal the alliance between European neo-Nazis and Middle Eastern jihadists against Russia.

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 3 2022 21:13 utc | 255

Well I think that it is probable that the Ukraine forces are losing heavily, largely because of Western silence on the issue. The wikimap is no longer updated and the livemap also is not functioning. Since both are western oriented, and slow to post negative news about the western forces, I am inclined to think that the news is too bad to be posted. It is possible I suppose that various sources have fled so no news is available, but they mange to get it out in Syria.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 3 2022 21:14 utc | 256

@wobblie | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 232
@Misotheist | Mar 3 2022 20:54 utc | 240
you Need to get some basic education in finance.
Keeping reserves in foreign banks is an absolute necessity if you want to conduct international trade, especially when your own national currency is not accepted Globally.

Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:15 utc | 257

@Micron
Absolutely, I don’t doubt that Russia will survive this fight, or has the grit to fight and succeed. I’m just trying to be clear-eyed.
I don’t think we can rightfully criticize the west’s constant spinning if reality, and be in denial when Russia does something wrong, or immoral, or incompetent.
It’s not a team sports. I’m trying to understand the world in which I live, not to cheer for X or Y.
That’s why I’m so deeply disappointed by those commentators who are now revealed as essentially propagandists, and not serious about analyzing things as they are.
No one in the pro-Russian community saw this coming, either the invasion or the failures on the ground. They spent months telling us that neither would happen. They’re telling us that Russia doesn’t care about sanctions while Russia’s economy is going down the drain. Let’s be serious, gentlemen. The least they can do is admit their mistakes.
I can absolutely accept the argument that the Russian government is willing to accept economic damage in order to secure geopolitical interests, but pretending that the Russian economy will be just fine? Are they high?

Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 21:15 utc | 258

@229 Circe
When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say. That is what the West has done to RT showing their weakness, I say let the CNN idiot open his mouth and prove he is a complete and utter moron to the world.

Posted by: TJ | Mar 3 2022 21:17 utc | 259

@donnie | Mar 3 2022 20:49 utc | 237
So many new “faces”, so much FUD 🙂

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:18 utc | 260

“Putting reserves in foreign banks is certainly stupid as fuck.
For some unfathomable reason a lot of countries do it.
Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 3 2022 20:54 utc”
It’s called Globalism.

Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 21:18 utc | 261

And in Australia, a man was thrown out of the studio of the national broadcaster’s discussion program, Q&A, for stating a pro-Russian view.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10573427/ABC-Q-Stan-Grant-Aussies-divided-decision-boot-student-said-supported-Putin.html
The presenter, Stan Grant, said he wasn’t “comfortable” with the question.

Posted by: Hope | Mar 3 2022 21:18 utc | 262

Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 20:11 utc | 225

Russian humanitarian convoy with food arrives in Melitopol, Zaporozhskaya (Zaporizhska) Oblast

Here they are.
The guy reported yesterday that they are running out of food and boom.

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 3 2022 21:19 utc | 263

— Roger 199, thank you for exceptional analysis and resources.
— Wobblie 106
Cockburn’s piece in Counterpunch reminds me why it’s no longer in my bookmarks, and it’s only gotten worse. He even stamps it as propaganda in the title: Putin’s “Snap-Invasion of Ukraine”. At least he’s upfront about it.
A few excerpts show he’s more opinionator than journalist:

“[Putin] put his own survival as Russian leader in doubt if and when Russians begin to understand that he has plunged them … into an unwinnable war [i.e. snap invasion].

Putin is focused on Russia’s survival, not his own, and he’s hardly he’s “plunged” into a conflict that he’s been publicly, vocally been trying to avert for at least 15 years. And “unwinnable war” is simply presumptuous, including the definition of war.

…all the evidence is that there is far less pro-Russian sympathy [within Ukraine] today than there was before a pro-Western government took power in Kyiv in 2014.”

That may true, but which polls show “all the evidence”?

… demilitarisation of Ukraine means installing a pro-Russian regime backed by a permanent military occupation.

Another presumption, Nato’s quagmire strategy. That may never have occurred to Putin, hence his unsurvivable plunge into an “unwinnable war”.

So why did Putin do it? … hubris, which is an occupational disease among those who have been too long in power – 22 years in Putin’s case.

The arrogance and ignorance of power does not solely infect authoritarian rulers like Putin.

Political leaders of all stripes visibly relish the role of warlord and the same applies to Putin.

Cockburn’s clinical diagnosis: Putin is a megalomaniac, drunk on power. This is quite similar to those of Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton — his paranoia, delusions, and possible schizophrenia may have been triggered by long covid. Get vaxxed kids!

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 3 2022 21:23 utc | 264

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2022 16:05 utc | 84
Well put.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 3 2022 21:24 utc | 265

The Kremlin Press Office need to watch Nick Robertson’s report to Anderson Cooper 11:11pm to 11:17pm Moscow time today.
Throw that blowhard out on his keister for his opportunistic, contrived low blow at Putin and the preceding trash he spewed.
I wouldn’t even bother dignifying him with a reason; I would just kick his ass out.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 21:25 utc | 266

@Eeny #216:

The loss of hundreds of ground vehicles, destroyed or abandoned, as well as dozens of planes and helicopters (and that’s only what has been captured on video!)…

None of this happened.
One Russian helicopter was hit and fell into Kiev Reservoir (“Kiev Sea”). Another was damaged, but managed to land safely. That’s two Russian helicopters out of service.
Zero Russian planes were downed or damaged—unless you count footage from DCS combat flight simulation game that Ukrainians tried to pass off as real. One has to be an absolute moron to believe the story of the “Ghost of Kiev” who has supposedly downed 30 Russian planes over Kiev, according to an article in Ukrainian Wikipedia. Zero evidence of these “victories” has been demonstrated. In reality, Ukrainian air defense has downed just one plane: their own Ukrainian Su-27, which they downed over Kiev suburbs by mistake on February 25th (photos, video).
Ukrainians (or those who are helping them) are using video compositing software to make videos pushing the “myriad destroyed Russian vehicles” narrative: example 1, example 2, example 3.

…autistic mantras based on the terms “nazis”…

A government that erects monuments to Nazi collaborators, renames streets after Nazi collaborators, teaches school kids how “awesome” those Nazi collaborators were, never mentions how those Nazi collaborators helped Germans murder 1.5 million Soviet Jews in the Ukraine, guarded concentration camps in Poland with European Jews (4.5 million murdered), Soviet POWs (3 million murdered) and others, murdered entire Belarussian villages on mere suspicions of helping Soviet partisans, etc.—that’s a government of Nazis.

Russian troops on the ground accumulate blunder after blunder, and seem utterly unprepared on many levels.

Only on Western and Ukrainian TV.
Conclusion: you are a stupid moron with zero critical thinking skills.

Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:28 utc | 267

@jared | Mar 3 2022 21:09 utc | 252
The most damaging aspect of that is not the reduction in sales of Russian oil gas to the west, which is not under sanction anyway. But that Russia will start accepting RMB in its future sales of oil and gas. Although legally Russia is still able to receive payment in USD and euro for its energy sales, there is no reason for her to accept this when she’s forbiddened to spend it, as this implies that she is expected to give away her resources for Free. This will kick a major leg out from the dollar hegemony, and help build an alternative financial system with China. If the dollar goes, there goes the us empire.

Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:28 utc | 268

librul 245
“That “Stone Age” remark is a favorite of Zios, who constantly want to throw Lebanon or Iran or Syria
back to the Stone Age.”
That’s a canonical piece in their literary oevre of Orwellian propaganda.
The stone age, of course, was the golden age of Man. When modern humans just like us (99pc of our human ancestry) lived on this planet choosing not to lord their evolutionary advantage over all other species. Choosing not to farm. Choosing to earn their place within the ecology.
As diametrically opposed to the herding culture in question, that went from the legitimate earning of a subsistence pastoralism of herding goats to the illegitimate herding of people via merchant banking monopolies.

Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 21:33 utc | 269

Oké the EU has used the repressive tool of censorship … the ultimate sign of weakness. Unbelievable funding of Western propaganda has spread over us. Usually in Hilversum we are treated with a small fish to explain the Kremlin and Putin and are the likes of Anne Applebaum or Radek Sikorski invited for their announced “neutral” expertise. Yesterday in the studio the NATO deputy SG to inform us what is right and what is wrong. Treated as a royal highness and the presentator gave him an uninterrupted stage. America historicus Maarten van Rossem was told to shut up.
This evening the studio got James Clapper in an interview to spread his truths. WTF
In my lifetime, I was witness to multiple millions of deaths directly linked with military aggression of the United States of America. We [America] do not respect borders or sovereignty of states, we shred the UN Charter, we don’t do ICC except for our adversaries … we basically do not do good, nor are we held accountable. There are notable repeat offenders and whether Democrat or Republican, the job is there.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 3 2022 21:35 utc | 270

@Roger #220:

She is all for joining the EU and against giving Transnistria independence.

She also has Romanian citizenship and is a Unionist—she wants Moldova to become part of Romania.

Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:36 utc | 271

@librul | Mar 3 2022 21:07 utc | 250

Except when Nazis hold torches to his feet. Then he dances like a Nazi.

Volodymyr Zelensky Dancing in Heels

In 2019 Zelensky moved to implement the Minsk Accord.
He had a visit from Azov and C14, who made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
Zelensky backed off. And here we are today.

Or… as Gonzalo Lira explained in his livestream from Kharkov today: Kolomoisky wanted to become president, but had no success so he hired and actor to make a TV sitcom called “Servant of the People” where Zelensky played the president in Ukraine fighting corruption. The sitcom was astroturfed to become popular. All of a sudden a new real party called “Servant of the People” was created where Zelensky played the president in Ukraine fighting corruption.
Zelensky is just an actor doing what he is told.
A lot of swearing in this video, but it has some good info
Punching Up: Zelensky, Kolomoyskyi, Ukraine, and What’s Going On

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:36 utc | 272

@Kadath #243:

At the very least, we can expect a replay of the Afghanistan disgrace, with the West sanctioning it’s former “friends” the people of Ukraine, confiscating the Ukrainian central bank reserves, banning transactions, forming a government in exile and attempting to bank roll a terrorist insurgency in the middle of Europe.

That’s exactly what they’re going to do.

Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:38 utc | 273

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 3 2022 18:30 utc | 190
I watched Lavrov on RT. He was agitated.
Also you need work on being truthful. Lavrov himself affirmed that military plans are “secret”. He works for the foreign ministry not the ministry of Defense. A while back same Lavrov was denying that Russia had plans to attack Ukraine. He wouldn’t know, and even if he did, obviously he is not going to blurt on a press conference that Russia will go nuclear if it loses. Obviously that is an option. If Putin was pouting about state of affairs before 2/22/22 and how that was an existential threat to Russia’s existence, then how do you think he’ll feel if Russia is humiliated in this ‘adventure’ of his?
https://russiancouncil.ru/en/analytics-and-comments/analytics/putin-s-ukraine-pushback-existential-war-the-moment-of-rupture/
Putin has been very clear on how there can be no world without Russia. We also know the Cabal running the “international community” couldn’t care less about human lives. So a glowing future is very much on the table for all of us.

Posted by: they_all_lie | Mar 3 2022 21:39 utc | 274

@Ranko | Mar 3 2022 21:11 utc | 254

I just watched the map of the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and for the life of me i can’t understand why are the Ukrainians not pulling back?
They are almost completely surrounded some of them right now don’t have a change to get out.

They are surrounded, except for a corridor in the back, and there is no way to get through that corridor and not get hit by heavy weapons.
This is classic Russian military strategy. For all practical purposes the game is already over there.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:41 utc | 275

Perhaps more so than from recognized proganda, of whom at least one can say with fair confidence that they are lying if they are awake and communicating.
Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 248
To date, the Jewish community at large, including the powerful Yad Vashem Memorial, has not condemned the Nazification of Ukraine. Is this because the Nazification is a handiwork of US ziocons who carefully watched and tacitly supported the Nazi parades and Nazi memorials in Canada?
The large Ukrainian community of Banderites (progeny of SS 14 Galicia and such) in Canada was never reprimanded by the “fighters with antisemitism” but actually supported as a perfect battering ram against Russia. Canadian Banderites have been openly financing and training Ukrainian Nazis. Not a peep from the powerful Jewish Lobby.
Since 2014, Nuland-Kagan from the Kagans’ clan of zionists has openly collaborated with the self-proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine because this is “good for Jews.” If it were not, the Jewish community would already make the Kagans’ clan unemployed and it would put Nuland-Kagan in prison – as was done to dozens of “holocaust deniers” in Europe, Canada, and the US.
But the Kagans continue to prosper untouched. Therefore, the Nazification of Ukraine is “good for Jews.”

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 3 2022 21:41 utc | 276

I’m trying to understand the world in which I live, not to cheer for X or Y.
Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 21:15 utc | 259
But the point is to change it.
1) Killing nazis is objectively good (although reeducating them is objectively better)
2) Many people have historical reasons not to side with the NATO for any reason whatsoever.
3) Sanctions and their effects are the responsibility of whomever enacted them.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 3 2022 21:42 utc | 277

@S
I’ve been watching hundreds of videos from Ukraine, that show hundreds of ground vehicles destroyed (most of which are easily identifiable as Russian thanks to the letter markings, and those fake Zs have only appeared as part of Russian propaganda, never seen any pro-Ukrainian channel or poster pushing them), as well as a good number of fix-winged aircraft, but especially helicopters, including types that are not operated by the Ukrainians such as the Ka-52, being shot down on camera. That’s just what random people filming at a specific time were able to capture.
There are blogs out there that reference each specific loss of equipment with linked footage or photos to identify them specifically.
You can insult me all you want, that lacks class, but that especially shows you are living in your own tiny bubble that is far removed from reality.

Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 21:42 utc | 278

and p.s.
It’s really something to listen to Lavrov talk about double standards.
Did not Russia and China agree to subject Iran to completely BS “double standards” regarding Iran’s peaceful nuclear activities? But back then Russia still wishfully talked about “our Western partners”. I noted today Lavrov has downgraded them to “colleagues”.
Who said it here that the only reality is “force”? And shills like you have been selling the snake oil of Russia as some sort of holier than everyone else b.s. Enough.

Posted by: they_all_lie | Mar 3 2022 21:42 utc | 279

It is simply retarded to assert that “Russia is losing the war”. Russia gained control over 15% of the Ukrainian territory in no more than 4 days, now controls about 20-25%, and progressing. Defeats look differently.
The Russian operation is even more challenging as the units are fighting with one arm bound on the back due to their determination not to harm civilians or civilian infrastructure. Over that, even the Western propaganda machine shows cracks. The Washpost denounced Ukrainian abuse of fallen and POWs for propaganda over violation of international law.
Having studied a number of modern wars I fail to see that the Russian advance is anything but swift, that they have suffered serious setbacks, or that their losses are in any way unusual. Of course unless you adopt the American way of warfare, obliterating the whole infrastructure and murdering ten thousands of civilians in a bid to avoid losses of your precious troops.
Newest rumours are that Ze attempted to order the West ukrainian army groups, about 40,000 well equipped soldiers, to move to the southeast to avoid the collapse of the Ukrainian battle groups. It is said that the commanders refused. There are two conflicting hypotheses about the reasons.
One is that they fear to bare the western border, allowing Poland to reclaim historical territories. The second is that the US forbid that move as they are aiming at a west-east partition of Ukraine, probably along the Dnieper river and the Odessa Oblast. This version is discussed in Rozhin’s and Maior-general channels, because there were simultaneous resolutions in Duma and Rada for peacekeeper troops (UN or/and CSTO) to deconflict.
Personally, I am skeptical about both speculations, but one will see.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 21:43 utc | 280

@Emily Dickinson #253:

For what? To continue making themselves pawns in a game that is not to their benefit and promises only endless misery? What kind of derangement makes such self-destruction possible? Nationalism? Delusions of importance (to the West)? Hatred of Russia?

All of the above. That’s Ukrainian Nationalism for you. They never cared about the Ukraine and Ukrainians. They only care about hurting Russia as much as possible. It’s basically a Russia-hating cult.

Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:47 utc | 281

@260 TJ
Do you you understand that the media is weaponized on all cylinders right now? They’re a weapon of mass destruction against independent thought brain cells. You give the USNATO-enthralled sheep way too much credit of discernment. I say throw Robertson’s ass out.
Fight fire with fire. They’re steamrolling the propaganda right now; it’s that thick, vicious and one-sided. They need to send him packing!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 21:49 utc | 282

i’ve recently started looking at the saker and moa again after a break and there’s been some decent analysis but i keep seeing “russia has lost the propaganda war”
1. too soon to tell.
2. only if you give half a shit about what the “average westerner”* “thinks”. the cold war, then syria, then (especially) “russiagate” have worn away any tolerance or nuance that could have been engendered by adults running the show or even just basic f_cking gratitude to the people who actually stopped the actual nazis.
it’s – as with anything important – a question of “quantity” vs “quality”. a billion people saying “2 + 2 = 5” doesn’t make it so. they may “win” approval of others idiots but that’s only a “victory” in the tardsphere of social media.
*most redundant phrase ever.
3. i’ve noticed in pretty much any intrawestern slap fights over the 1% of shit they disagree on either side will trot out “the right side of history”. it’s almost always someone for whom history “ends” at the last date they deleted old texts.
i’m guessing putin will be seen as preventing a world war by staging a regional skirmish. but then i’m only basing that on the several centuries of world history i’m aware of.
for now, even some usually mature observers/columnists/trey parkers have been reduced to pathologizing someone they’ve never met. “putin’s crazy and his pecker don’t work lol”

Posted by: the pair | Mar 3 2022 21:50 utc | 283

@hopehely | Mar 3 2022 21:19 utc | 264
In that video from Melitopol you can see very briefly at around 8 seconds a flag in the square. The flag is yellow and blue as the vehicles from the Russian Federation provides humanitarian aid. Looks like the Ukrainian flag is not taken down there.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:52 utc | 284

Posted by: Ranko | Mar 3 2022 21:11 utc | 254
I just watched the map of the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and for the life of me i can’t understand why are the Ukrainians not pulling back?
They are almost completely surrounded some of them right now don’t have a change to get out.

They, as well as Kiev are Russia’s leverage/bargaining chips. If Zelensky/Western puppet-masters don’t do a deal then Russia will command all to lay down weapons or they will be taken out. Pretty simple to have seen this plan unfolding (well, if you can See).

Posted by: Seer | Mar 3 2022 21:55 utc | 285

@Eeny
I tend to agree with you. I myself never expected Russia to start such a major offensive. What I thought would happen would be
– goading the Ukrainians to attack in the East
– have a clear casus belli to retaliate
– then annihilate the Ukie troops and expand a buffer zone.
Alternatively I thought the best would be a massive stand-off attack to wreck the Ukie military machines, and then rinse and repeat if necessary.
To my knowledge no Russian-leaning expert foresaw what did actually happen.
I also think that, although the well-known experts like Saker and Martyanov remained careful in their evaluation, they leant a bit too much to the optimistic side. Strelkov seems much more balanced and realistic.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in the videos of all the destroyed material. Personally if I commanded such a war I would send my worst material first and keep my best men and material for a second wave. However I can’t explain the puzzling performance of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Everybody seems at a loss to explain what’s happening. Pierre-André “Até” Chuet, who is a well-known French youtuber an ex-Mirage and Rafale pilot, thinks that the fact the Russian pilotes fly very low shows that they’re not confident operating at mid- or high-altitude.
For me personally the credibility or Saker, Martyanov, and some other experts is at stake here. If until this weekend, or until end of next week, a decisive strategic advantage or major city hasn’t been gained, then I will consider they have been off the mark which will be quite disappointing. I will need to be much more cautious about their assessments.

Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 21:59 utc | 286

@ cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:28 utc | 269
I agree.
But I suggest contract price in gold – currency is whatever.

Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 22:01 utc | 287

“Most fascinating thing about the Ukraine war is the sheer number of top strategic thinkers who warned for years that it was coming if we continued down the same path. No-one listened to them and here we are.
Small compilation 🧵 of these warnings, from Kissinger to Mearsheimer”.
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1498491107902062592
Posted by: JB @174
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This twitter thread deserves to be read and saved! Thanks for reommendation!

Posted by: lulu | Mar 3 2022 22:02 utc | 288

@aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 21:43 utc | 281
Sources: https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/31879
(machine translated)

“General Wenk” is not coming.
According to insiders in Lvov, Zelensky’s demands to redeploy part of the 50,000-strong West military group, which consists of fairly combat-ready and well-armed units, to the most threatening Kiev and Odessa directions have not been met by the Ukrainian General Staff.
The source suggests that this was due to fears over the possible activity of “allies” such as Hungary and Poland, who might encroach on the land that had become derelict.
However, it is more likely that Zelensky’s order was “vetoed” by US advisers who have plans to create a “Ukrainian state” in Ukraine’s western regions.

The bit about partition: https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/31874
The map is self describing. text tells:

Ridovka writes interestingly, (https://t.me/readovkanews/27240) that we already smell the partition of Ukraine. We wrote a long time ago that in our opinion NATO troops will enter Lviv, the Russian Armed Forces will enter Kiev and that will be the end of it. We have no information, but we think the spheres of influence were defined along this line:
1 – US (EU and NATO)
2 – Russia and Belarus

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 22:03 utc | 289

Seer | Mar 3 2022 21:55 utc | 286
From a Al Jazeera reporter on the ground near Mariupol, mostly Azov battalion. And neo-Nazi fighters in the Donbas trenches. These will not escape, nor part of any bargain. The goal as to let this group not see another day for all the atrocities … no future … fight till death.
Kherson was mostly unprotected by Ukrainian fighters and the citizens were not provided with weapons … good chance the city will face minimal casualties.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 3 2022 22:11 utc | 290

@Posted by: lulu | Mar 3 2022 22:02 utc | 289
Read and saved.
Thx

Posted by: librul | Mar 3 2022 22:13 utc | 291

Reading the comments here is like talking to a friend who’s worried his girlfriend doesn’t love him any more. One comment despairs—’I’m afraid Putin has miscalculated, if he doesn’t do x then y will surely follow…’—the next comment rallies—’The Russian have got this, it’s part of the plan, the absence of their air force is deliberate, victory not far off…’.
Meanwhile the girlfriend is inscrutable. My advice to my friend is this: she will do what she will do. Worrying about it and second-guessing her will drive you mad.
Ok, I don’t know where this analogy is going, but two things interest me.
1. The influx of foreign mercs and ‘international brigades’ is worrying. These guys have the training, the access to good gear and are highly motivated ($150K for a 3-month op according to my sources). They also do disruption, sabotage, assassination, morale-sapping, etc. Russia needs to cut off their ways into the conflict now.
2. NATO/US was half-way to the bottom of the dustbin of history well before this conflict. Their final descent does not depend on Russia’s degree of success. In a way it is a measure of how screwed the Western model is that all this is taking place at all.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 3 2022 22:14 utc | 292

One possible upside I see : fronts can be non-linear. In other words once you go past a critical threshold of tiredness and lack of supplies, entire lines of defense can crumble. That’s the story of the Werhmacht in 43-44 where lines were sprayed thin and the Soviets were able to bring a huge amount of firepower with Bagration.
So I can see a distinct possibility that the combativity of the Ukie troops may suddenly snap once they abandon all hope of being succoured by NATO and if Russia tightens the vice. That’s the kind of major strategic shock that would impress western minds.
Another thing : quite cynically, it would be good to let especially Mariupol stew for a while, and try to get as many videos of the Azov guys as possible. I have a Moroccan friend who learned about what Moroccan students had to endure from the neonazis, she’s fully aware of these creatures.

Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 22:16 utc | 293

This is surprising.
https://twitter.com/_AfricanSoil/status/1499030011222843392
I thought China would hold back after the Ukraine invasion. Could they think now’s the time, while the western nations are vulnerable with sanctions and bad economies?

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 3 2022 22:17 utc | 294

It is all just so blind and self-defeating–breathtaking in its brutal stupidity. It’s as if the very idea of taking responsibility for peace is pure anathema. This is not how adults with other people’s lives in their hands should ever act.
Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Mar 3 2022 21:10 utc | 253
well put. i am constantly surprised at how surprised i am at the inhumanity of the ruling class

Posted by: Rae | Mar 3 2022 22:18 utc | 295

aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 22:03 utc | 290
from embedded link …

Putin and the Rada on the same day introduced bills on the deployment of peacekeeping troops. In fact, this is the beginning of the division of Ukraine
An important coincidence: today, on the same day, two bills were submitted to the Russian State Duma and the Ukrainian Rada. But both of them are about one thing: about the upcoming entry of a peacekeeping contingent under the auspices of the UN. In the case of Russia, the CSTO forces under the command of the “coordinating state”, and in the case of Ukraine, it is almost certainly about NATO soldiers. In fact, we are talking about the upcoming division of Ukraine.
But if everything is more or less clear with this question, then the key question that should interest us all is where the border will pass.
t.me/readovkanews
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Posted by: Oui | Mar 3 2022 22:20 utc | 296

@jared | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 248
Individuals try to obtain the facts from untrusted sources are particulary subject to manipultation.
I think you kind of nailed it there. I would go further and say:
Most are too used to trusting sources especially well-known ones by their brand equity, mistaking data as knowledge and therefore vulnerable to manipulation.
Others takes data from all sides, process it with how things are ACTUALLY developing on the ground and figures out the truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately we are the minority.
My takeaway so far:
People are too used to shock&awe-let’s-steamroll-the-3rd-world-sand-people video game warfare, and calling Russian moves having stalled. Way too early to call that, childish needs of instant gratification.
For the first time in a long while people on the sideline actually seems to care about civilian casualties (shock horror). Highlighting the western double standards on the value of human lives. cough cough WHITE LIVES MATTER.
Non western whites are only tolerated in the west for their money. C’mon, really? LoL
Even nazis can be whitewashed, that’s a revelation! LoL
What should be apolitical institutions are all getting into the virtue signaling act.
Western whites know their gig is up having ruled for 3-400 years and are circling their wagons. Apologies if this sounds racial but if you zoom out a bit I don’t know how else you can call it. And it is clear to everyone outside the their orbit (of note, the Japanese have long considered that they are the whites of Asia, their words).
Any notion of fairness, freedom and human rights are just casus belli for geopolitical manoeuvres, that it sometimes pan out well is simply a convenient by-product.
i don’t doubt for a second the respect for fairness, freedom and human rights exists at the individual and community level, mainly during peacetime, definitely not at the geopolitical level.
China is riding on a free option. If things don’t go to plan for Russia it can play the diplomat. If it does it’ll be better for it. Either way it wins economically. If it’s ww3 then nothing matters anyway. That’s why USA is incessantly trying to make Taiwan into china’s ukraine.
The Russian war machine isn’t anywhere as well oiled, trained and equipped as zvesda would like you to think. On the other hand its orders of magnitude cheaper than its western counterparts. It also doesn’t need to call in a fire mission to destory equipment everytime it’s abandoned.
Taking out the trash is dirty work, and Russia is slowly getting the job done.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 3 2022 22:21 utc | 297

Eighthman@295
I could easily see Iran get on board also. There is also the Syrian theater.

Posted by: financial matters | Mar 3 2022 22:27 utc | 298

WTF, the Ukes put out a video showing their forces, launching a barrage of missiles at Russian clusters.
Ukraine defence
Is this for real? Are these the hundreds of missiles they just got shipped from the U.S.?
If so, why didn’t the Russians track and intercept USNATO’s shipments?
They should be tracking and blowing every shipment sky-high from now on and remove every last bragging point the Ukes possess. I can’t believe this shit.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 22:27 utc | 299

@300
There’s always theatrics in war like the social influencers showing off rented Ferraris. What were they shooting that? Did it do any real damage, did it inflict any collateral damage? Theatrics can mean destroying their own in some vain attempt to gain more support. That it’s frontpage news, makes me think it is just flexing for morale.

Posted by: Guest | Mar 3 2022 22:32 utc | 300