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March 3, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-20
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consistent with the fundamental rights and freedoms recognised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights, in particular with the right to freedom of expression and information as recognised in Article 11 thereof, to introduce further restrictive measures to urgently suspend the broadcasting activities of such media outlets in the Union, or directed at the Union(…) Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 3 2022 19:08 utc | 201 Posted by: Roger | Mar 3 2022 18:22 utc | 186 Posted by: juliania | Mar 3 2022 19:23 utc | 202 I tried to watch / read most of todays media in Germany – it’s basically full spectrum brainwashing, lies, lies, lies… so why are they doing that? Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 19:25 utc | 203 The guy on youtube with the maps, raised some very good points: Putin’s latest speech: everything in Ukraine “on schedule”. Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2022 19:29 utc | 205 White House Spokeswoman Jen Psaki: The United States is transmitting real-time information about Russian troops to Ukraine. Posted by: WJ | Mar 3 2022 19:32 utc | 206 Idiocrates 172, Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 19:34 utc | 207 @Posted by: juliania | Mar 3 2022 19:23 utc | 203 transmitting real-time information about Russian troops to Ukraine. Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2022 19:41 utc | 209 @zet | Mar 3 2022 19:25 utc | 204
They know what is going on in Ukraine and they are involved. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 19:43 utc | 210 drshivago 201, Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 19:45 utc | 211 So EU bigwigs are sending Ukraine a whopping half a billion Euro’s in aid, I don’t recall any other non EU country receiving such a large amount in aid. Certainly not Palestine or the islands of Chagos both countries peoples have suffered terribly for decades. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2022 19:48 utc | 212 @Kooshy | Mar 3 2022 16:18 utc | 97 Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 19:48 utc | 213 Boris Rozhin:
Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 19:50 utc | 214 While Russia may win this war, it has been exposed as a much weaker military than it pretended (or believed) to be. Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 19:51 utc | 215 WJ 207, Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 19:52 utc | 216 Update on second round of talks. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2022 19:52 utc | 217 Posted by: Oisin | Mar 3 2022 13:34 utc | 9 Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 3 2022 19:54 utc | 218 Moldovan President, Maia Sandu graduated from Harvard, worked as an advisor to the World Bank and her native tongue is Romanian. In 2016 she lost the presidential race to a pro-Russian 52 to 48, but in 2020 she won 58 to 42. You have to admire the skill that the US has in co-opting foreign state functionaries! She is all for joining the EU and against giving Transnistria independence. Posted by: wobblie | Mar 3 2022 17:50 utc | 173 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 3 2022 20:04 utc | 220 Interesting bit here about the idea of confiscating all Boeing AND (!) Airbus aircraft used by Russian airlines. I think they should do it. It will be a welcome relief for the Russian airlines, you know, not having to spend any more foreign currency on leasing payments. Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 3 2022 20:06 utc | 221 Maia Sandu (Moldovan President) is also a member of the ” Council of Women World Leaders” which is strongly affiliated with the WEF. Eeny | 216 Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 3 2022 20:10 utc | 223 Russian humanitarian convoy with food arrives in Melitopol, Zaporozhskaya (Zaporizhska) Oblast: https://t.me/boris_rozhin/26896 Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 20:11 utc | 224 You know what Americans fear most besides not being the greatest power on earth and in space? Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 20:18 utc | 225 Bevin #70 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 3 2022 20:20 utc | 226 @Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 3 2022 20:06 utc | 222 Why is Russia not throwing CNN correspondent, Nick Robertson, out of the country when he’s spewing the worst, unmitigated garbage propaganda against Russia from his vulture perch in Moscow? Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 20:33 utc | 228 Is it true that Aidar Battalion was routed, went dissolved/extinct and its commander General Maxim Marchenko became governor of the Cherkassy or Odessa region? (as per voltair network) Posted by: LeoSam | Mar 3 2022 20:37 utc | 229 CNN correspondent, Nick Robertson Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 230 turns out that huge 630 billion USD war chest accumulated to support Russia against sanctions was not all in Russia. Turns out they were keeping approx. half in western banks. Brilliant. Remember follow the Leader, he is always right. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/banks-are-stopping-putin-from-tapping-a-630-billion-war-chest-russia-stockpiled-before-invading-ukraine/ar-AAUxE3T?ocid=msedgntp Posted by: wobblie | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 231 Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 19:51 utc | 216 Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 232 @Scotch Bingeington | Mar 3 2022 20:06 utc | 222 Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 233 @205 At some point the Western media will have to admit the truth. But they won’t be happy about it. Posted by: dh | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 234 John Helmer over at johnhelmer.net has a lot of good info. Someone has probably given you that link, but it bears mentioning in case someone hasn’t. Posted by: Manage without me | Mar 3 2022 20:46 utc | 235 Russia is embarrassing its own military with this PR exercise. 500 dead soldiers in couple of days is just the complete tail of dead American soldiers after 15 years in Afganistan. After 8 days Ukros still shelling Donbass? And now they are talking about ceasefire probably because they are afraid what the Guardian or the Washington Post will write about them? I think Russia at the end will get participation trophy and special kind of stupid award. PCR is right, just shut up and do the job. Posted by: donnie | Mar 3 2022 20:49 utc | 236 Lots of one sided war propaganda and disinfo spreading best taking a break form this crap. I fear this wont end well, shame on the war crazies, shame on the mess. Posted by: Hannibal | Mar 3 2022 20:51 utc | 237 re. disinformation – Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 20:52 utc | 238 Posted by: wobblie | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 232 Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 3 2022 20:54 utc | 239 Double standards from the usual suspects: Posted by: Paul | Mar 3 2022 20:55 utc | 240 Replying to myself at Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 20:44 utc | 233 Posted by: zet | Mar 3 2022 20:55 utc | 241 looking at the map of Ukraine and the current location of Russian forces even the fake news media is unable to obscure the fact that the Russians are advancing on every front and the Ukrainians have been reduced to forming penal battalions, conscripting every able bodied man between 16-60 and leaving piles of arms in public for anyone to take. these are not the actions of a strong regime confident of victory. The Russians are steam-rolling an entire country and this war will be over in another 20-30 days (unless NATA/US does something suicidal, like intervening, in which case everyone loses). Posted by: Kadath | Mar 3 2022 20:56 utc | 242 @Eeny Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 20:56 utc | 243 CIA rolls out one of it’s well known turds. (#8 on Anne Morelli’s list c/o b, 2/28/2022)
That “Stone Age” remark is a favorite of Zios, who constantly want to throw Lebanon or Iran or Syria Posted by: librul | Mar 3 2022 20:58 utc | 244 “Russia is embarrassing its own military with this PR exercise. 500 dead soldiers in couple of days is just the complete tail of dead American soldiers after 15 years in Afganistan. After 8 days Ukros still shelling Donbass? And now they are talking about ceasefire probably because they are afraid what the Guardian or the Washington Post will write about them? I think Russia at the end will get participation trophy and special kind of stupid award. PCR is right, just shut up and do the job. Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 20:59 utc | 245 War in Ukraine is a Jewish War against the Russian and Ukrainian people. Zionists have been nurturing Canadian and Ukrainian Nazis for decades. The”>https://www.voltairenet.org/article215934.html
Yad Vashem memorial, the most important Holocaust remembrance center the world, initially condemned the amalgamation made by Russian President Vladimir Putin between certain Ukrainian groups and the Nazis. Posted by: Cerena | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 246 Individuals try to obtain the facts from untrusted sources are particulary subject to manipultation. Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 247 @ zet | Mar 3 2022 20:55 utc | 242 Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:03 utc | 248 @Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 248 Posted by: librul | Mar 3 2022 21:07 utc | 249 Russian chocolate is flying off the shelf in China. Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:08 utc | 250 Not sure the term “fungible” applies. Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 21:09 utc | 251
This is the biggest–and most shocking–disappointment to me so far: The Ukrainian “leaders” are acting with complete and utter irresponsibility, apparently in the belief that if they just let the West use them in their cynical games a little longer–a West that has already displayed a deep lack of real concern for the people of Ukraine–the West will save these same “leaders” from having to make their own decisions about the well-being of Ukrainians. Instead of coming to a quick and obvious political settlement–recognition of the facts with regard to Donbas and Crimea, and a commitment to neutrality–the people making decisions in Ukraine are dooming the country to ongoing war and suffering for perhaps decades. Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Mar 3 2022 21:10 utc | 252 I just watched the map of the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions and for the life of me i can’t understand why are the Ukrainians not pulling back? Posted by: Ranko | Mar 3 2022 21:11 utc | 253 Donnie and others, Posted by: Lex | Mar 3 2022 21:12 utc | 254 Ukrainian Nazis have been in cahoots with US-sponsored “moderate terrorists” from the get-go. When Nuland-Kagan, a ziocon from the Kagans’ clan, was organizing regime change in Kiev in 2014, she relied on “White Fuhrers” Biletski, Yarosh, and Parubij.
Posted by: Cerena | Mar 3 2022 21:13 utc | 255 Well I think that it is probable that the Ukraine forces are losing heavily, largely because of Western silence on the issue. The wikimap is no longer updated and the livemap also is not functioning. Since both are western oriented, and slow to post negative news about the western forces, I am inclined to think that the news is too bad to be posted. It is possible I suppose that various sources have fled so no news is available, but they mange to get it out in Syria. Posted by: watcher | Mar 3 2022 21:14 utc | 256 @wobblie | Mar 3 2022 20:43 utc | 232 Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:15 utc | 257 @Micron Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 21:15 utc | 258 @229 Circe Posted by: TJ | Mar 3 2022 21:17 utc | 259 @donnie | Mar 3 2022 20:49 utc | 237 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:18 utc | 260 “Putting reserves in foreign banks is certainly stupid as fuck. Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 21:18 utc | 261 And in Australia, a man was thrown out of the studio of the national broadcaster’s discussion program, Q&A, for stating a pro-Russian view. Posted by: Hope | Mar 3 2022 21:18 utc | 262 Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 20:11 utc | 225
Here they are. Posted by: hopehely | Mar 3 2022 21:19 utc | 263 — Roger 199, thank you for exceptional analysis and resources.
Putin is focused on Russia’s survival, not his own, and he’s hardly he’s “plunged” into a conflict that he’s been publicly, vocally been trying to avert for at least 15 years. And “unwinnable war” is simply presumptuous, including the definition of war.
That may true, but which polls show “all the evidence”?
Another presumption, Nato’s quagmire strategy. That may never have occurred to Putin, hence his unsurvivable plunge into an “unwinnable war”.
Cockburn’s clinical diagnosis: Putin is a megalomaniac, drunk on power. This is quite similar to those of Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton — his paranoia, delusions, and possible schizophrenia may have been triggered by long covid. Get vaxxed kids! Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 3 2022 21:23 utc | 264 Posted by: c1ue | Mar 3 2022 16:05 utc | 84 Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 3 2022 21:24 utc | 265 The Kremlin Press Office need to watch Nick Robertson’s report to Anderson Cooper 11:11pm to 11:17pm Moscow time today. Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 21:25 utc | 266 @Eeny #216:
None of this happened.
A government that erects monuments to Nazi collaborators, renames streets after Nazi collaborators, teaches school kids how “awesome” those Nazi collaborators were, never mentions how those Nazi collaborators helped Germans murder 1.5 million Soviet Jews in the Ukraine, guarded concentration camps in Poland with European Jews (4.5 million murdered), Soviet POWs (3 million murdered) and others, murdered entire Belarussian villages on mere suspicions of helping Soviet partisans, etc.—that’s a government of Nazis.
Only on Western and Ukrainian TV. Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:28 utc | 267 @jared | Mar 3 2022 21:09 utc | 252 Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:28 utc | 268 librul 245 Posted by: reante | Mar 3 2022 21:33 utc | 269 Oké the EU has used the repressive tool of censorship … the ultimate sign of weakness. Unbelievable funding of Western propaganda has spread over us. Usually in Hilversum we are treated with a small fish to explain the Kremlin and Putin and are the likes of Anne Applebaum or Radek Sikorski invited for their announced “neutral” expertise. Yesterday in the studio the NATO deputy SG to inform us what is right and what is wrong. Treated as a royal highness and the presentator gave him an uninterrupted stage. America historicus Maarten van Rossem was told to shut up. @Roger #220:
She also has Romanian citizenship and is a Unionist—she wants Moldova to become part of Romania. Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:36 utc | 271 @librul | Mar 3 2022 21:07 utc | 250
Volodymyr Zelensky Dancing in Heels
Or… as Gonzalo Lira explained in his livestream from Kharkov today: Kolomoisky wanted to become president, but had no success so he hired and actor to make a TV sitcom called “Servant of the People” where Zelensky played the president in Ukraine fighting corruption. The sitcom was astroturfed to become popular. All of a sudden a new real party called “Servant of the People” was created where Zelensky played the president in Ukraine fighting corruption. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:36 utc | 272 @Kadath #243:
That’s exactly what they’re going to do. Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:38 utc | 273 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 3 2022 18:30 utc | 190 Posted by: they_all_lie | Mar 3 2022 21:39 utc | 274 @Ranko | Mar 3 2022 21:11 utc | 254
They are surrounded, except for a corridor in the back, and there is no way to get through that corridor and not get hit by heavy weapons. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:41 utc | 275 Perhaps more so than from recognized proganda, of whom at least one can say with fair confidence that they are lying if they are awake and communicating. Posted by: Cerena | Mar 3 2022 21:41 utc | 276 I’m trying to understand the world in which I live, not to cheer for X or Y. Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 3 2022 21:42 utc | 277 @S Posted by: Eeny | Mar 3 2022 21:42 utc | 278 and p.s. Posted by: they_all_lie | Mar 3 2022 21:42 utc | 279 It is simply retarded to assert that “Russia is losing the war”. Russia gained control over 15% of the Ukrainian territory in no more than 4 days, now controls about 20-25%, and progressing. Defeats look differently. Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 21:43 utc | 280 @Emily Dickinson #253:
All of the above. That’s Ukrainian Nationalism for you. They never cared about the Ukraine and Ukrainians. They only care about hurting Russia as much as possible. It’s basically a Russia-hating cult. Posted by: S | Mar 3 2022 21:47 utc | 281 @260 TJ Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 21:49 utc | 282 i’ve recently started looking at the saker and moa again after a break and there’s been some decent analysis but i keep seeing “russia has lost the propaganda war” Posted by: the pair | Mar 3 2022 21:50 utc | 283 @hopehely | Mar 3 2022 21:19 utc | 264 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 3 2022 21:52 utc | 284 Posted by: Ranko | Mar 3 2022 21:11 utc | 254 Posted by: Seer | Mar 3 2022 21:55 utc | 285 @Eeny Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 21:59 utc | 286 @ cindy6 | Mar 3 2022 21:28 utc | 269 Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2022 22:01 utc | 287 “Most fascinating thing about the Ukraine war is the sheer number of top strategic thinkers who warned for years that it was coming if we continued down the same path. No-one listened to them and here we are. Posted by: lulu | Mar 3 2022 22:02 utc | 288 @aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 21:43 utc | 281
The bit about partition: https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/31874
Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 22:03 utc | 289 Seer | Mar 3 2022 21:55 utc | 286 @Posted by: lulu | Mar 3 2022 22:02 utc | 289 Posted by: librul | Mar 3 2022 22:13 utc | 291 Reading the comments here is like talking to a friend who’s worried his girlfriend doesn’t love him any more. One comment despairs—’I’m afraid Putin has miscalculated, if he doesn’t do x then y will surely follow…’—the next comment rallies—’The Russian have got this, it’s part of the plan, the absence of their air force is deliberate, victory not far off…’. Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 3 2022 22:14 utc | 292 One possible upside I see : fronts can be non-linear. In other words once you go past a critical threshold of tiredness and lack of supplies, entire lines of defense can crumble. That’s the story of the Werhmacht in 43-44 where lines were sprayed thin and the Soviets were able to bring a huge amount of firepower with Bagration. Posted by: Micron | Mar 3 2022 22:16 utc | 293 This is surprising. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 3 2022 22:17 utc | 294 It is all just so blind and self-defeating–breathtaking in its brutal stupidity. It’s as if the very idea of taking responsibility for peace is pure anathema. This is not how adults with other people’s lives in their hands should ever act. Posted by: Rae | Mar 3 2022 22:18 utc | 295 aquadraht | Mar 3 2022 22:03 utc | 290
@jared | Mar 3 2022 21:00 utc | 248 Posted by: A.L. | Mar 3 2022 22:21 utc | 297 Eighthman@295 Posted by: financial matters | Mar 3 2022 22:27 utc | 298 WTF, the Ukes put out a video showing their forces, launching a barrage of missiles at Russian clusters. Posted by: Circe | Mar 3 2022 22:27 utc | 299 @300 Posted by: Guest | Mar 3 2022 22:32 utc | 300 |
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