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March 07, 2022

To Punish Russia The 'Liberal Order' Attempts To Suicide Itself

Two days ago we looked at why Russia is doing what it does:

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

The 'west' had failed to understand Russia's need to act. It has failed to make the necessary commitments, and accept Russia's reasonable demands, to avoid the struggle. In consequence it will now fall apart. The knee-jerk reaction to Russia's 'special military operation' in Ukraine will, as Alastair Crooke writes, lead to the end of the 'liberal order':

So Biden, finally, has his foreign policy ‘success’: Europe is walling itself off from Russia, China, and the emerging integrated Asian market. It has sanctioned itself from ‘dependency’ on Russian natural gas (without prospect of any immediate alternatives) and it has thrown itself in with the Biden project. Next up, the EU pivot to sanctioning China?

Will this last? It seems improbable. German industry has a long history for staging its own mercantile interests before wider geo-political ambitions – before, even, EU interests. And in Germany, the business class effectively is the political class and needs competitively-priced energy.

Whilst the rest of the world shows little or no enthusiasm to join with sanctions on Russia (China has ruled out sanctions on Russia), Europe is in hysteria. This will not fade quickly. The new ‘Iron Curtain’ erected in Brussels may last years.

But what of the unintended consequences to last Saturday’s ‘sanctions Blitzkrieg’: the ‘unknowable unknowns’ in Rumsfeld’s famous mantra? The unprecedented switch-off affecting a key part of the Globalist system did not download into a neutral, inert context – It developed into an emotionally hyper-charged atmosphere of Russophobia.

Now reality comes back to bite the inept minions who attempt to rule over us.


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Europe can not sustain this, Russia can:

In sum, the changes set out by von der Leyen and the EU, with surging crude oil costs, could potentially tip global markets into crisis, and set off spiraling inflation. Cost inflation created by energy costs spiraling higher and food disruptions are not so easily susceptible to monetary remedies. If the daily drama of the war in Ukraine starts to fade from public view, and inflation persists, the political cost of von der Leyen’s Saturday drama is likely to be European-wide recession.

“Since well before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Europeans have been struggling under the weight of runaway energy bills”, OilPrice.com notes. In Germany, for some, one month’s energy costs the same as they used to pay for a whole year; in the UK the government has raised the price cap for energy bills by a whopping 54%, and in Italy a recent 40% domestic energy cost hike could now nearly double.

The New York Times describes this impact on local businesses and industries as nothing short of “frightening”, as all kinds of small businesses across Europe (prior to last week’s events) have been forced to cease their operations as energy costs outweigh profits. Large industries have not been immune to sticker shock either. “Almost two-thirds of the 28,000 companies surveyed by the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and Industry this month rated energy prices as one of their biggest business risks … For those in the industrial sector, the figure was as high as 85 percent.”

And it is not only Europe. Energy prices are based on global markets. As are the prices for many other minerals and metals which have suddenly become rare:


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The U.S. will be hit just as much as Europe. Early today oil prices in Europe hit $139 per barrel, well above last week's market close. They will increase further. Gasoline prices in the U.S. will soon hit $6-7-8 per gallon.


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The attempt by the U.S. to rush towards a new Iran deal to get Iranian oil flooding the markets has failed. Russia, together with Iran, has successfully blocked that move. Sanctions on Russia mean that Iran can not export its enriched uranium to Russia to be turned into nuclear fuel. No Iranian export of enriched uranium means no JCPOA deal. Secretary of State Blinken has failed to understand that. The supposedly ready to be signed return to the nuclear deal is now in jeopardy.

Some U.S. refineries at the south coast are designed to only process heavy oil variants. Since 2019 the U.S. has blockaded heavy oil imports from Venezuela and replaced them with imports of heavy Ural variants from Russia. It has now send too officials to Caracas to try to get Venezuela's oil flowing again. That would of course require to lift all sanctions off Venezuela and to return all confiscated companies and the gold that is owned by that country. It is not going to happen anytime soon.

High end German cars are build with aluminum from Russia. Boeing needs Russian titanium to build planes. These manufacturers will soon start to lay off people. All this while food, heating and mobility costs will increase dramatically. A deep recession combined with strong inflation will rip social cohesion apart. I do expect strong anger in the streets of Europe and the U.S. There will be riots and in consequence a strong political move to the right. The mid-term elections will destroy the Russophobic Democrats.

Michael Hudson notes the immense strategic damage the U.S. has done to itself:

The recent escalation of U.S. sanctions blocking Europe, Asia and other countries from trade and investment with Russia, Iran and China has imposed enormous opportunity costs – the cost of lost opportunities – on U.S. allies. And the recent confiscation of the gold and foreign reserves of Venezuela, Afghanistan and now Russia, along the targeted grabbing of bank accounts of wealthy foreigners (hoping to win their hearts and minds, along with recovery of their sequestered accounts), has ended the idea that dollar holdings or those in its sterling and euro NATO satellites are a safe investment haven when world economic conditions become shaky.

So I am somewhat chagrined as I watch the speed at which this U.S.-centered financialized system has de-dollarized over the span of just a year or two. The basic theme of my Super Imperialism has been how, for the past fifty years, the U.S. Treasury-bill standard has channeled foreign savings to U.S. financial markets and banks, giving dollar diplomacy a free ride. I thought that de-dollarization would be led by China and Russia moving to take control of their economies to avoid the kind of financial polarization that is imposing austerity on the United States. But U.S. officials are forcing them to overcome whatever hesitancy they had to de-dollarize.

This will not just happen with China or Russia but the whole world will over the next years turn away from the dollarized U.S. system:

Nobody thought that the postwar 1945-2020 world order would give way this fast. A truly new international economic order is emerging, although it is not yet clear just what form it will take. But “prodding the Bear” with the U.S./NATO confrontation with Russia has passed critical-mass level. It no longer is just about Ukraine. That is merely the trigger, a catalyst for driving much of the world away from the US/NATO orbit.

The next showdown may come within Europe itself as nationalist politicians seek to lead a break-away from the over-reaching U.S. power-grab over its European and other Allies to keep them dependent on U.S.-based trade and investment. The price of their continuing obedience is to impose cost-inflation on their industry while relinquishing their democratic electoral politics to subordination to America’s NATO proconsuls.

These consequences cannot really be deemed “unintended.”

All the consequences of the 'west's' reaction to Russia's move were foreseeable. It is pure recklessness and stupidity that have allowed them to take place. The 'west' will now get punished for the bad movie it has launched.


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Too bad that I don't speak Russian ... It is now the place to be.

Jimmy Salford @1Fubar - 7:06 UTC · Mar 6, 2022

Russia has already been cut off from CNN, Pornhub and Facebook. The US is now working on depriving Russians of MacDonalds and CocaCola. If they keep going with these sanctions, Russians will soon be among the healthiest, well adjusted and best informed people on the planet.

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US lawmakers reach a bipartisan deal to ban Russian energy imports and end normal trade relations with both Russia and Belarus.

Can anybody confirm this?

Also, I don't understand why Juan Guaido doesn't agree to give us oil. He's the PRESIDENT of Venezuela after all.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 17:56 utc | 101

Look out, Venezuela... You may be next on the invasion list.

Posted by: A10Warthog | Mar 7 2022 17:55 utc | 100


Well, maybe just another attempt at "color revolution." Can't risk having our precious boys getting boo-boos in actual combat, you know. In any case, I'm sure Venezuela is prepared. And since someone mentioned lithium, I'm hoping Bolivia is prepared as well.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 7 2022 17:57 utc | 102

Another thing I wanted to mention: I really appreciated HZ's translated summaries of Chinese in a previous thread. The response he recived from some of the established members here was quite disgusting. They basically called him a troll because the work he translated included some limited criticism of Russia's military operations. The criticisms from the Chinese military analyst were actually very much on point (especially as time has passed) and have ironically been echoed by prominent Russians as well including Kadyrov.

The idea that this Chinese military analyst, along with anyone who translates the work done by and posts it here, must be a "bad actor" of some sort unfortunately goes some way to validate the accusations, by actual trolls who swamped the comment section recently, that this is an echo chamber where some are infuriated to hear deviating viewpoints, even if they are constructive.

The translations HZ provided and the Chinese perspectives (which, because of the language barrier and other barriers require more work for non-Chinese to access, even for those who want to hear them) were very interesting and a great addition to this comment section. I really hope that he reads this and the other encouraging comments he got and continues to post his translations/summaries.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 17:59 utc | 103

Well can someone answer a question if it's not bothersome?

There are planes stopped at airports in Russia as well as many other things from entire automakers, production lines, luxury cars, stores full of products, etc... In case these companies close and things don't go back to normal (which I think is good difficult at that time) what will be done? Can Russia take everything for itself, including automakers and equipment?

Are they saying that Putin is already taking back some companies and will nationalize others as far as you have news?

Posted by: Oisin | Mar 7 2022 18:02 utc | 104

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 17:44 utc | 94

I would support such a move, but only in physical gold at the Russian border and only for the "unfriendly countries". Its not right to impress such burden on the smaller or friendly nations. If the friendlies should on-sell their oil and gas without processing or aids the unfriendly list they should go into the shit list also.

I have no idea where your figure of 1000 bbl/oz figure comes from, its utter nonsense. Better to have it pegged to the prevailing market. As there's no physical shortage, the price will come back down and the value of the fiat money from unfriendly nations will also go down over time as gold goes up.

Remember i am taking about physical, not paper gold which has been materialized from the ether in NY and London to monkey hammer the gold price at every turn in the last couple of decades to hide inflation.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 7 2022 18:04 utc | 105

I have to say the more this goes on the more I see two options on the horizon, neither of which is very cheery:

1. There is a thermonuclear war in which 90% of the US and Canada and Europe and Australia and 70-75% of Russia is incinerated, and the survivors try to make it through whatever of the world remains.

2. There is a war that does not go thermonuclear, which results in the world being split into two continental blocks, which are managed very much like Oceania and Eurasia in 1984: no civil rights; all spending toward defense and state security; quasi-fascist demand for conformity with official narrative; lower quality of life; dramatic increase in propaganda and the eventual restriction and even outlawing of foreign media or opinion.

I just don't see a third option.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 18:06 utc | 106

@Circe | Mar 7 2022 17:23 utc | 90

Hey, Norwegian, I see you like sass kicking ass on your side.
I have no idea what that means, but I will assume it is something good.


Yes, I noticed your nice little comment to me a couple of threads back.
Sure, I find your arguments nowadays mostly fact based, and sometimes I even agree with the conclusions :-)

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 7 2022 18:13 utc | 107

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 16:36 utc | 65

"The Fed doesn't need to be "put back in its box;" it needs to be decommissioned and its powers returned to the US Treasury from where they were stolen in 1913. From there, the former regional Fed banks ought to become regional public banks with a network of branches spreading nationwide that will compete and eventually destroy the current private banking system. Who/whom would perform such a deed is the question. ..."

It is perhaps helpful to view Banking as really the Banking-Petroleum DUOPOLY that it factually is. That might suggest a way to make it serve all the peoples, as it should because its essential nature is vital to humanity.

By the late 1800s, the Oil Business [as short form of petroleum] became the ONLY rival to Banking in terms of generating unlimited, global accumulation of money and power, and note especially the connection Oil has with ALL forms of power, real and intangible. Thus Oil became the ONLY competitor and THREAT to Banking's purpose...to dominate the whole world.

That is why Oil and Banking MERGED by early 1900s! Rockefeller et al and Morgan et al...nearly worldwide, and that includes the Crown, etc ... but NOT Russia [failed WW1 and WW2!]

So shifting from {private] Central Banking to Public Banking is impinging on lots of BigFatToes. But seeing the enemy as a Banking-Oil duopoly might suggest a way to split them up, as in divide-and-conquer!

Posted by: chu teh | Mar 7 2022 18:13 utc | 108

karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 17:46 utc | 95, thank you for posting and underlining sections of Putin's latest Security Council speech I referenced in my post @ 86. In my post I did give my truncated version of the link, but yours is much better!

Comments at Saker's Sunday wrap up of events (where Wolf first posted Putin's speech to the airwomen in its entirety) also focused on the production of dangerous biological agents at the labs around Ukraine - apparently the Ukraine government had recently distroyed these agents, but the program is apparently evident in documents obtained by Russia. I would not state this as a verified fact, and I don't think Putin has mentioned it, but it would be another reason for his 'haste' in entering Ukraine. The production of such materials is a serious matter - we can remember how such caused Obama to threaten to bomb Syria back when that conflict was heating up.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 7 2022 18:14 utc | 109

Superb geopolitical and economic analysis b, excellent links. How do you find the time to do this detailed research?

I agree the damage to the US and the world economy was predictable, avoidable and self inflicted.
How many times do the power hungry Ziocon megalomaniacs need to pull the levers of power to understand there are usually unintended consequences?

The hubris and arrogance is rebounding on their own population not the Russians.

The US geological Survey and US Dept of Agriculture chart is misleading. Palladium and Platinum are usually mined together and separated later. Similarly wheat and other grains like barley are often grown in adjacent fields or are alternatively rotated.

There are some winners.

Australian Critical Minerals 2020, see first link:

https://www.energyinnovation.net.au/article/austrade-releases-australian-critical-minerals-prospectus-2020

Sooner or later the 'geniuses' who gave us this economic and foreign policy disaster will need to beg China for 'mediation.' Had they listened to Putin and Lavrov they could have avoided this. Ultimately the Ukraine will be a neutral non NATO state.

Posted by: Paul | Mar 7 2022 18:15 utc | 110

NNWO @ 89

Interesting, I link a similar story a few threads back and commented on the story. Found nothing on the State Deaprtment website. Found this...
UPDATE 2-U.S., Venezuela discuss easing of sanctions, make little progress -sources

If it is a fake story I apologize but are the Russians that stupid to fall for a hairbrained ploy like that? It is verifiable with their embassy contacts in country.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 7 2022 18:18 utc | 111

"Also, I don't understand why Juan Guaido doesn't agree to give us oil. He's the PRESIDENT of Venezuela after all."

WJ (101)

Ah, sarcasm brilliant, anyway to US delegates went to Venezuela to ask Maduro if they can have access to Venezuelan oil, never mind that the US has tried on several occasions to overthrow a socialist government in Venezuela or that the South American Obama (Guaido) proclaimed himself president, and that Venezuelan gold has been seized and is in the vaults of the Bank of England.


Maduro should tell the US delegates to f*ck-off as should all South and Central American countries that the US has, and has attempted to regime change, stage coups and sabotage, and then there's the Monroe Doctrine. I hope Venezuela doesn't sell out Russia which has been a good friend to the country.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 18:20 utc | 112

Likklemore @80--

Thanks for that update. Hudson was on track in his Crosstalk appearance, but he like us was unprepared for the mass of self-destructive actions taken by the Neoliberals. He might be wondering if there was something he missed or overlooked. IMO, he didn't see the degree of delusional arrogance clouding Neoliberal leader judgement. However, I believe the Russians had a good idea of that arrogance and the sort of reaction it would generate; thus, the Putin Doctrine.

Norwegian @87--

Thanks for that! It's the same meeting Peter AU1 linked and copy/pasted excerpts from in the last thread. Yes, the amount of info and various analyses are hard to keep up with.

North Patagonia @73--

Thanks for your reply! I don't recall seeing your moniker here before, so welcome! You'll see me often referring to the Putin Doctrine, which I've written two analytical essays about, first one here and second here. You'll note in the first essay that the Doctrine isn't Putin's alone, that it's a collective Doctrine formulated by Russia's Foreign Policy and Security Council's discussions and coalesced into an essay by Sergey Karaganov, "From constructive destruction to gathering", published in Russian on 16 February well prior to the onset of the security operation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 18:21 utc | 113

@Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 17:59 utc | 103

Dude wtf r u on about? None of us attacked the poster HZ, we attacked the piece as is our rights to with something that's published. I went the farthest saying i wished another poster wouldn't resurrect it on another other thread. And here you are doing it for a third time.

The author clearly failed understand military is a tool to achieve a political end, and calling out Russia for going soft, at the expense of civilian casualties... Well, that "analyst" was a fool in my book from that point on.

No one called anyone here a bad actor for translating this trash piece. We shall welcome it. If someone finds it interesting from machine translation then its worth it for us native speakers to give you the dope re nuances and context. It could very well have been a great piece, and we'd have told you so too. Unfortunately it was not. Don't get butthurt over it.

And please don't project 2+2=5. We're pretty good at picking these up here.

Are you the author? Are every youtuber and blogger without relevant background or a convincing back catalogue an expert now?

Analyst... My ass.

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:21 utc | 114

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 7 2022 18:04 utc | 105

Yes, I am on the same page as you, including that only unfriendly nations, in my view at least, should be forced to pay in gold. It should be possible to sell oil on credit to countries which are friendly to Russia, but on a basis of assisting their development through providing affordable energy.

That is, the oil buying countries on the "friendly list" (invariably in the Global South, as those are the countries, which don't sanction or hate Russia) will be paying for the oil from their increased productivity, rather than through an engineered plundering of their infrastructure and industry after saddling them with unpayable debt (as the US does today with the credit it extends and its so-called "foreign aid").

It is specifically the idea of selecting a price of 1000 bbl/oz that throws me. It is referred to for example in these two tweets:

https://www.twitter.com/GeorgeGammon/status/1500208648752144385
https://www.twitter.com/JuanJos74686649/status/1500884358168727561

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 18:21 utc | 115

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:21 utc | 114

Bullshit, there were definitely attacks on HZ himself, which was why he (rightly) responded that he was just the messenger and should not be attacked just for providing a translation. Refuse to own up to it if you want, but it doesn't reflect well on your character.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 18:24 utc | 116


I just don't see a third option.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 18:06 utc | 106

I will give you a third option, unlikely as you may think it to be, WJ. The west climbs down off its badly damaged but hanging by a thread branch of the tree of life, and Russia carefully with well-reasoned safety precautions inch by inch brings that entity step by step back into the community of nations.

That is the third and only alternative to what you are suggesting. It is a huge undertaking, and it will need all of Russia's friends to accomplish it.

In the minutest of ways, like that butterfly across the ocean that starts the breeze blowing, we here at the bar are trying to help.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 7 2022 18:24 utc | 117

I just don't see a third option.
Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 18:06 utc | 106

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You discount very serious and powerful wealthy people being extremely pissed off at the fools that let the situation get so far out of hand.

To be a fly on the wall in board rooms right now!

Posted by: too scents | Mar 7 2022 18:27 utc | 118

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:21 utc | 114

Also, actually coming out and asking if *I* am myself the Chinese military analyst (yeah, if only! Jesus Christ) whose work HZ translated reads like a literal parody of this comment section and its incestuous, paranoid culture. Holy shit.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 18:28 utc | 119

John Cleary | Mar 7 2022 16:12 utc | 49

The central Banks all belong to the same Cartel. that of the BIS (Which in turn belongs to the Rothschilds).
The owners of the Fed itself is a carefully hidden trail of companies and mutual overlapping holdings. I once followed a group which tried to pierce the mystery. They could only come to a tentative answer. Among the owners are the five major Banks in the US, plus a couple of other "traditional Banks" in Europe etc.

However, The Russian Central Bank has been credited with helping the Russian economy and I believe has Putins ear. This "help" may not be entirely true. According to Glaziev (from a link via John Helmer), he reckons that mistakes have been made and the "peasants" are being hard done by.

Sample part; My emphasis.

The threat to ban transactions with Russian bonds will also benefit us, since their issue in a budget surplus is nothing more than a source of profit for foreign speculators. And their profitability is overestimated three times in relation to the market assessment of their riskiness. The termination of the self-serving [самоедской] policy of the monetary authorities, who are borrowing money which is objectively unnecessary to the budget at exorbitant prices, will allow us to save billions of dollars. If the sanctioneers try to prohibit the purchase of the foreign currency bonds of Russian corporations, then it will be possible to compensate for the missing financing for the purchase of imported equipment by buying them out at the expense of part of the excess foreign exchange reserves. If foreign loans are cut off to them, then the risk of their default will fall on the European and American banks themselves.

There is also a potential risk of seizure of Russian state assets. But we can respond to this symmetrically by imposing an embargo on servicing debt obligations to Western creditors and also arresting their assets. The losses of the parties will be approximately equal.

There remains, in fact, one threat – to take away foreign assets from Russian oligarchs. For all its popularity among the common people, this will stimulate the return of capital exported from the country, which will also have a positive effect for the Russian economy.

At the same time, we need to protect ourselves as much as possible from the expected escalation of US-European sanctions. The most vulnerable place for our economy is its excessive offshoring. Up to half of the assets of the Russian industry belong to non-residents. There are more than a trillion dollars of capital exported from the country abroad, half of which is involved in the reproduction of the Russian economy. The simultaneous freezing of these assets can really dramatically worsen the situation of a number of strategically important enterprises dependent on the external market. The Americans showed how this is done using the example of Rusal, establishing their control over it under the threat of stopping foreign trade activities. We could respond to this by nationalizing at least the giant hydroelectric power plants transferred to this corporation for a song and on dubious grounds, on the operation of which the lion’s share of its profits is based. But for some reason, they did not protect this one of the structural branches of our economy from the raider seizure by the US Treasury.

The whole Helmer article link but you have to open another ( galziev ...more) link at the bottom. oligarchs are still a problem for Russia.
http://johnhelmer.net/black-box-defence-for-the-russian-economy-dollar-debt-repayments-blocked-gas-and-oil-deliveries-to-germany-stopped-oligarch-assets-nationalized/#more-47600

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Before the fighting broke out, one Russian blogger was looking at a potential scam or dodgy goings on concerning gold and the central Bank. Whereby, gold was being converted into foreign currency and the gold itself left for - unknown shores. The scam used the fact that Russia was a producer of Gold, and had not "bought" any for quite a long time. The difference between stated reserves and the available gold - just "went".....pooof and then it's gone. He didn't go any further as it could have been a manoeuvre by the Russian command to assure secret reserves outside russia as much as an oligarchic scam. There are things it is not worth looking into too deeply.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 7 2022 18:29 utc | 120

"The reason why I think this is likely is that empires always go down fighting. And the US is the first empire that will go down which possesses nuclear weapons. There are some people in the US who think that if the US does not exercise control over the planet, it is better that the world no longer exist. This is Satanic."

Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 14:44 utc | 11

If in this statement we substitute the words 'industrialism' for "the US," and 'antibiotics' for "nuclear weapons," we have a true observation on Germ Theory. And indeed it is satanic.

Posted by: reante | Mar 7 2022 18:34 utc | 121

Peter au1 @ 54
It wouldn't do for the populace to see the direct results of their foreign adventures as evidenced here.
hard to pretend you are the good guys after seeing this

https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/information-blockades-how-and-why/

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 18:34 utc | 122

@Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 18:28 utc | 119

Sorry I've left big blighty a long time ago and my sacasm must be a bit rusty.

I've finished saying what i needed to say on this guancha.cn piece. my past comments aren't deleted and the readers here can make up their mind re my "character". Let's move on shall we?

Again, as I've already said in the last thread:

Let it die.

Please.

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:38 utc | 123

This is a brief report about an important development today:
Ukraine has accused Russia before the International Court of Justice(ICJ) of violating the Genocide Convention/abusing the Genocide Convention by fabricating the assertion of genocide in Donbas, and by using that fabrication as a pretext for aggression against Ukraine under the guise of its duty under the Convention to prevent and punish genocide. Ukraine has today asked the ICJ to immediately indicate provisional measures, that is, to issue an order to Russia to stop its military operation, withdraw its forces, refrain from aggravating the situation and to report to the Court on measures it is taking to implement the order.
Russia is accused of "lying about the facts and lying about the law", and of acting in bad faith thus violating the Genocide Convention, while Ukraine has the right not so suffer harm from Russia's bad faith and abuse of the Genocide Convention. It is that right that the ICJ is asked to protect.
- I listened to the Ukraine arguments today. Russia should present its arguments tomorrow, but I had the impression from what was being said that Russia may not appear in these procedings. That would be an enormous mistake in my view.
- The Ukranian argument is legally very important and very clever.
These are the main points:
- Russia's accusations of genocide are false
- There is no genocide in Donbas, no plausible evidence that Ukraine perpetrated genocidal acts in Donbas or anywhere else, and no evidence of the specific genocidal intent.
- Russia fabricated genocide and then used that fabricated genocide to invade the whole country. The RF has invoked the rights and duties in the Convention in bad faith, as a legal shield for its unlawful aggression against Ukraine. The object and purpose of the Convention is being defeated.
- There has been fighting in eastern Ukraine in the last 8 years; it has led to civilian deaths, but civilian deaths in an armed conflict are not per se genocide. There is no plausible evidence that the civilian deaths in Donbas were intended by Ukraine, or any other acts under the convention. There is no evidence that Ukraine acted with the specific intent for genocide.
- Mariupol is predominantly Russian speaking, and it is suffering a humanitarian crisis inflicted by Russia which is not allowing the evacuation of civilians.
- Ukraine has a right not to suffer harm as a result of bad faith interpretation of the Convention; The Russian operation has caused a humanitarian and environmental crisis like no other in Europe after WWII; full scale invasion of Ukraine. The invasion has caused, is causing and will continue to cause huge human suffering, widespread commission of war crimes,
catastrophic environmental consequences.
- Russia is accused of massive war crimes, thousands of deaths, and millions of internally displaced and millions of refugees. It is accused of causing potential nuclear disaster at Chernobyl and the other nuclear plant; of possible environmental disaster of epic proportions and of endagering the whole world by placing its nuclear weapons on alert. Russia is accused of preparing a chemical false flag in Ukraine.
- The CO2 being released as a result of Russia’s scortched earth will linger long term. It is hard to conceive circumstances in which a civilian population can be more vulnerable.
Ukraine stands on the verge of slaughter of innocent civilians; Russia has no compuction in bombing a city into oblivion.
- Russia was accused of preventing/shelling civilians from leaving besieged cities, of stopping food supplies and cutting off water and electricity and many, many more criminal acts.
I hope the Russian side will appear and set out its arguments and facts.

Posted by: JB | Mar 7 2022 18:39 utc | 124

I just don't see a third option.
Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 18:06 utc | 106

third option is NATO willingly breaks up to save their economies
USA and Canada populations will have massive uprisings and the entire democratic fantasy will fall in favour of a new system
The EU will disolve
imho

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 18:42 utc | 125

Watch the price of gold and other metals. Stupid is dialled up.

Now there will be a scramble for the yellow metal especially since the West have demonstrated they cannot be counted as safe haven.

Russia is the world's 2nd largest producer of gold.

LBMA removes accreditation from six Russian gold refineries

https://leaderpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/lbma-removes-accreditation-from-six-russian-gold-refineries/wcm/4d1cbe17-69bb-4806-b163-0ab1ec6231ac/amp/

Reuters
LONDON — The London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) said on Monday it had suspended its accreditation of six Russian gold refiners.The removal of the refineries from the LBMA’s gold and silver ‘good delivery’ lists means they cannot sell either metal in the London market, the world’s largest.[.]

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Such dumb reporting. There is Shanghai.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2022 18:47 utc | 126

I just don't see a third option.
Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 18:06 utc | 106

Well its true there's no off-rank baked into any of of the western action right now. Therefore i can see your concern.

The third option is regime change. But to achieve it the pain of status quo must be greater than the pain of change. And the more you own, the less change will appeal to you.

Ergo, i believe the first domino to fall will be from the poorer EU nations without an ideological axe to grind or hard line politics. or one that has the greatest gap between the have and have nots.

Greece may be? I don't know, what do the others think?

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:52 utc | 127

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 17:36 utc | 93

Did you try PsiPhon that was suggeztwd by RT and that i linked yesterday ?

Now, i think somewhat soon thete would be translations, maybe at Saker or Southfront or elsewhere.

Personally i do not see there much new, it less than what we flogged to death yesterday, just spoken in official capacity.

The only thing maybe worth noticing would be MoD stressing that (if my memory is ok, i was wtching it on the run) Ukraine destroyed (thus posessed) dozens of vessels per pathogen per site.
Which adds ground to "plausible suspicion" realm, but again not to "proof land" yet.

To advocate for devil (or call spade a spade),

1) "dozens vessel" sounds scary but actually says nothing about amount (volume or weight). Obviously a single vessel like oil banner has more in it that hundred vessels like Skrypal's retail perfume bottle.
This wording can be lackadaisical indifference to details, or could be "imply short of claiming" propadande method. It would be sad of the latter, i am sick of West using this technique (and who isn't) so hope it won't become RuMoD modus operandi.

2) RuMoD then seems to imply that mere existense of those veasels, regardless of volume, hints at existense of as many strains, per pathogen. RuMoD then conludes bio-WMD research. Something along "there can be no explanation of so many vessels other than Ukraine and USA in violation of international treaties conducting illegal research into enhancong deadly properties of the pathogens".
There was nothing said about stains though. That was my intetpretation.

This said in official capacity might be enough for total blackout, similar to 2015 Putin's claim of EU trading with ISIS of Syrian oil.

Yet, of evidence... While this should indeed hint and active and deap research, the aim of this research at making pathogens more deadly is yet interpretation, leap of faith.

The briefing is closed with promise to keep investigation and report more of foundings.
Good.
Yet...

Do you rewlly believe USA would conduct so sinister a research at the very Russian borders without sure means to leave nothing implicating into Russian hands?
Now, Russia has intelligence too, and could had tried to trick Americans into believing evidence destroyed why actually hiding and preserving it. Maybe. But this is speculation on top of speculation. If it happenned RuMoD would have to demonstrate it ASAP. We'll see.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 18:53 utc | 128

@chu teh | Mar 7 2022 16:27 utc | 60

Excellent post. I have been trying to use similar arguments, for the last 40 years, why I haven't got any gold (except my wedding ring)

2 years ago, at the start of this Covid stuff, I was totally convinced, that whatever this "Thing" was in control, it was trying to kill us. So I bought a rotavator, some vegetable seeds (mainly from Eastern Europe - cos a lot of Western seeds from large multinationals - produce terminator seeds. They will not germinate the next year. That is an indication of how evil "The West" has become.

My wife asked, why are you digging up our lawn??? (She already grows a lot of veg, and is quite expert at it)

The spuds did quite well. Easiest veg to grow is spinach. It grows faster than the slugs and snails can eat it.

We get free horse manure from down the road.

Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 7 2022 18:53 utc | 129

soft tactic trolls
next level

can you see who they are?
:-)

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 18:53 utc | 130

Ukraine, with the help of Germany and Poland, has been causing high gas prices in Europe for months, if there's any truth in what Putin said in December.

"They [buyers from Germany], having taken up a certain volume, having received from us 5.6 billion more than stipulated by long-term contracts, are now selling it. There is a pipe there that connects the Polish pipeline system with the Ukrainian one. The volume is about 3 million cubic meters a day. This is exactly how much the Federal Republic of Germany is sending to Poland. I have every reason to believe that this gas eventually ends up in Ukraine. And consumers in Europe and Germany need to know what is actually going on. And it may be possible to request that certain instances clarify this position," Putin said.

"And instead of sending it to Poland and then to Ukraine and helping them stay on their feet, would it not be better to carry out further supplies to Europe, to the same Federal Republic? And influence the spot price, because the more of a product there is on the market, the lower the price will be. No - they started pumping there. In reverse. This is the problem, what does Gazprom have to do with it? So let them take care of their own issues and respond to them in time. They should not think they are so smart. The problems that they created for themselves should be solved by them, and we are ready to help and do it,"


It's as if they were stocking up supplies in advance for the war.

Posted by: Brendan | Mar 7 2022 18:55 utc | 131

Such dumb reporting. There is Shanghai.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2022 18:47 utc | 126

Lol yes, but we don't count as part of the world right?

Another seppuku by the west.

I would say something about the new iron curtain being put up by the west. But the way they're going i don't think they'll be able to afford it....

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:56 utc | 132

Postado por: JB | 7 de março de 2022 18:39 utc

With all due respect my friend I feel that you are explaining your point of view and that is very valid. But that is long gone. Can you imagine the Taliban accusing NATO of war crimes? What will that do? Can you imagine Japan explaining that it didn't have nuclear weapons before they took two to the head? Did the US respond? in the early days of afghanistan they dropped a bomb at a wedding killing more than 50 people and injuring more than 100 has anyone answered anything in nato? Court is just a facade in these cases they expelled Russian diplomats from the UN think they are calling to justify something. There's no chance of it being resolved that way as Russia has tried this for years since the Maidan mainly. Several opposition MPs were "suicided" after the Maidan is there any investigation into this? Unfortunately the world is not fair Putin's parents taught him this as they learned it in Leningrad.

Posted by: Oisin | Mar 7 2022 18:58 utc | 133

Malenkov@70. The proper term to use, which conveys the most context is, Arkansided....in honour of the Clinton Crime Syndicate.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 7 2022 18:59 utc | 134

@Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 18:53 utc | 130

Ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner!

I too am waiting for them to bite and show themselves...

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:59 utc | 135

WJ @106--

Third option: Aside from the ongoing Economic/Hybrid Third World War that's been ongoing since Obama/Biden's Ukraine Coup in 2014, there will be no kinetic war on the scale you envision. The Outlaw US Empire can no longer project power as it once did and is inferior to Russia/China militarily, including nuclear capability with Russia quite likely now having First Strike capability, meaning it can repel any counterattack with minimal loss.

China and Russia have repeatedly and publicly explained their vision for a new world that's centered on the Win-Win philosophy of People Centered Development and a Democratic International Order based on the founding principles of the UN Charter. That vision is extremely attractive to the Global South which comprises the vast majority of the planet. The quest to attain Full Spectrum Domination is dead but has yet to be buried. The Neoliberals have lost.

Europe will eventually become incorporated into the EAEU/BRI and single market zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok will become reality. Where outliers like Japan, South Korea, and Australia finds themselves IMO their natural national interests will eventually determine as the oppressive yoke of the Outlaw US Empire's removed.

What remains is the Neoliberal core in North America which will be devastated by the dollar collapse and inability to compete except in agriculture. Canada's unlikely to suffer the same fate and will become the destination of choice by Americans fleeing their economic devastation. Mexico and South America will prosper via BRI and will gain from an influx of their nationals fleeing the dollar collapse.

Forced to abandon its global empire of bases, the Outlaw US Empire will revert to the USA, but how the politics rearrange themselves is open to speculation. IMO, the Constitution needs extensive reform as do the institutions it generated. Perhaps there'll be some form of political insurrection. Much depends on the amount of power media retains and its ability to shape things. Fortunately, most of the Congressional Neoliberals are very old and will soon pass from the stage. It's possible the backlash against the Imperial Presidency will result in a return to something like the Confederation that was overthrown in 1787. I'd like to see Americans adopt the agenda proposed by Russia and China, but few now even know one exists.

Like Lavrov, although cynical at times, I'm an optimist. A new arrangement will certainly arise in Europe. I find it funny that Biden held that conference on democracy for that's what will make the necessary changes--people acting democratically.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 19:00 utc | 136

WJ | Mar 7 2022 18:06 utc | "106 I just don't see a third option."

Soviet style collapse. China has been watching whats going on and knows US will be trying to do the same to them next.
I've no idea if they have considered it or not, but China waiting until the US west is feeling the blow back of its own sanctions in the next month or two, then just cutting all trade like flicking off alight switch would quite like trigger a fast collapse if these sanctions haven't by that stage already done so.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 19:05 utc | 137

To be a fly on the wall in board rooms right now!

Posted by: too scents | Mar 7 2022 18:27 utc | 118


Don't get your hopes up too quickly. The attitude on The Street is still largely "Russia is one big rotting gas station that will collapse soon enough," and they're making a killing on shorts.

They'll wake up, sure enough, but by then it will be too late for them, and probably for us as well.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 7 2022 19:05 utc | 138

[This is likely old news to many of you; I haven’t taken time to wade through the hundreds of comments here. But four items I’ve just seen regarding U.S./NATO plans in the Ukraine are devastating (no pun intended).]

(1) Gilbert Doctorow reports that "Russia has received documentation from Ukrainian health authorities on the production of biological weapons (anthrax, Siberian plague and much more) by Ukrainian labs in Kharkiv and elsewhere in cooperation with the United States. Stocks of such weapons were being stored in direct violation of international conventions. On 24 February, in advance of the start of Russia’s ‘special military operation’ in Ukraine, the Ukrainian health authorities destroyed these illicit biological weapons. However, Russia has obtained the official documentation certifying this destruction of what should never have been there."

(2) "Russia has also obtained documentation proving that Ukraine, in cooperation with the United States, was since the presidency of Petro Petrushenko, actively developing nuclear weapons, including “dirty” nuclear devices using readily available fuel from its reactors. Such activity was going on in the Zaporozhye nuclear plants, … "and it is very likely that the fire reported at a ‘training unit’ adjacent to an active reactor two days ago related to destruction of incriminating papers, if it was not otherwise a ‘false flag’ operation to allege a Russian attack on the power station, in violation of international law."

(3) Alexander Artamonov, Editor-in-chief of Radio SPUTNIK in French reports that “In 2018, the former head of the Internal Security Service of the French Ministry of the Interior, General Yvan Blot, a former member of the National Anti-Terrorism Committee of France, sent me a document that he asked to make public only after his death. He died the same year. The document is a summary (in German) of the minutes of the NATO meeting to elaborate the Barbarossa-2 plan. It goes about the plan to create permanent hotbeds of tensions on the borders with Russia, organise provocations against local Russian-speaking population and openly prepare for a war with Russia. At the same time, judging from conversations with several French generals, the author of this article came to realise that NATO was planing its attack on Russia through Ukraine, rather than directly."

(4) "On Saturday, February 19, after the start of the large-scale Ukrainian aggression in the Donbas, one of my sources at the Commission on Defense and Security of the European Union contacted me and said that in order to implement Operation Barbarossa 2, they may arrange the delivery of a US nuclear warhead from Germany to Ukraine."

[So the Special Operation in the Ukraine may have been just in time.]

Posted by: Seward | Mar 7 2022 19:09 utc | 139

Re: physical gold for oil

This is so idiotic as to beggar the imagination.

I can just see someone lugging around the gold to pay for a supertanker full of oil...NOT

People pushing this nonsense are gold bugs trying to seem relevant.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2022 19:11 utc | 140

Posted by: Oisin | Mar 7 2022 18:58 utc | 133

No, that is not "my point of view", it is a report of a hearing held today at the International Court of Justice. You, and others here, can dismiss the Court, the law and whatever you like, just remember cynicism is abdication of the critical faculty.
The events in Ukraine are not child's play, they are not theoretical and are not a video game. The arguments made by Ukraine need to be addressed. It is in Russia's interest, and everyone's interest that they are.
I am interested in facts and the law being applied to the facts. I am interested in the truth, whatever it is. I am not in the business of cheering any war, any military fantasies, and most certainly not in looking onesidedly at anything. I am also not in the business of partitioning countries and generously offering their parts left and right, like so many in this blog findt it apparently proper to do.

Posted by: JB | Mar 7 2022 19:16 utc | 141

Assuming this doesn't go nuclear, there is no reason (apart from the jabs) that either the USA or Russia should collapse.

Both countries are enormous, and underpopulated, with tremendous natural resources. Nothing is running out. It's just that complete psychopaths are in control.

What has happenned over recent history, is not a UK/USA or Russian attack on The Ukraine (which acts as the piggy in the middle, to be impoverished and beaten up first)

It is Mainly a US Neocon attack on Europe, including the UK.

The CIA control all our Media and Polticians and nearly everyone is brainwashed.

Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 7 2022 19:23 utc | 142

Two documentaries by Oliver Stone on Ukraine:
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/03/07/oliver-stone-ukraine-revealed-and-ukraine-on-fire-full-videos/

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 7 2022 19:24 utc | 143

Just out of curiosity (I don't have a car) I checked prices at my local gas station again. E5/E10 are above 2.00 Euros now, 2.05 and 2.10. They were at 1.98 at noon, couple of hours ago. And weirdly, there was no rate for diesel, just -.--, can't be displayed or something like that. Never seen anything like it, what does it mean?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 7 2022 19:25 utc | 144

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2022 19:11 utc | 140

You are confusing the gold standard (tying money creation to gold, and committing to a fixed exchange rate between gold and the state's currency) with the use of gold to settle the balance of payment between countries instead of using dollars. There is nothing to indicate that any major country wishes to introduce the former, but a lot that indicates that China, Russia and other Eurasian countries are preparing to introduce the latter. Also, with your confused (intentional or otherwise) logic, Michael Hudson would be a "gold bug", which is ridiculous to say the least.

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 7 2022 19:25 utc | 145

Just out of curiosity (I don't have a car) I checked prices at my local gas station again. E5/E10 are above 2.00 Euros now, 2.05 and 2.10. They were at 1.98 at noon, couple of hours ago. And weirdly, there was no rate for diesel, just -.--, can't be displayed or something like that. Never seen anything like it, what does it mean?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 7 2022 19:25 utc | 144


Could mean anything (i.e., no diesel available) or nothing at all.
Only way to know for sure is to inquire within.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 7 2022 19:28 utc | 146

Important video
FM Wang Yi on China-Russia ties: Steadily advance bilateral strategic partnership for a new era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A9r5IHqDMQ

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 19:29 utc | 147

Map of the situation in the area of ​​the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine as of 20.00 March 7, 2022

https://dragon-first-1.livejournal.com/50654.html

Posted by: too scents | Mar 7 2022 19:30 utc | 148

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 18:53 utc | 128

Again: I'll believe the biolabs are for any sort of protection when they're not run opaquely by the GODDAMN PENTAGON.

Since when is the GODDAMN PENTAGON a medical outfit???

Posted by: BadNews | Mar 7 2022 19:31 utc | 149

@ Posted by: malenkov | Mar 7 2022 19:28 utc | 146

Oops, used "i.e." when I should've typed "e.g."

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 7 2022 19:31 utc | 150

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2022 19:11 utc | 140

But gold IS used by states for reserves and transactions. Are you dismissing this fact?

I'm not a gold bug and lugging around pieces of silver and gold for everyday transactions is yes, idiotic.

I'm only talking about large strategic resource transactions between Russia the countries on its shit list.

Let them deal with the inconvenience and transport risks. They will need to purchase resources faster than gold is being mined. The maths is simple.

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 19:33 utc | 151

all gas site prices near me in Hamilton Ontario have crashed
Yesterday I paid 1.87 per litre (roughly 7 bucks a gallon)
pretty sure it is way above that today

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 19:35 utc | 152

I just looked at diesel price here, $4.614/gal, while a week ago it was $4.006. California average gas price is $5.343/gal, diesel $5.692/gal. These are all time highs that will go much higher as I predicted.

There's a big veracity problem with the headline at AAA's site that provides the above stats, "Russia-Ukraine Conflict Continues to Cause Pain at the Pump." No, it's not the "conflict;" rather, it's the federal government's reaction that's causing the "pain at the pump."

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 19:42 utc | 153

@Scotch Bingeington #144

"And weirdly, there was no rate for diesel, just -.--, can't be displayed or something like that. Never seen anything like it, what does it mean?"

Probably they have none available.

Posted by: Billb | Mar 7 2022 19:42 utc | 154

Posted by: echelon | Mar 7 2022 16:40 utc | 66

... or you are found "suicided" in your jail while camera failed ...
Coroner confirms suicide ...
and you're good to be incinerated ...
meanwhile,
there is a new anonymous beneficiary of some "witness protection program" ...

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 7 2022 19:43 utc | 155

I think the claims about bioweapons labs in Ukraine lack imagination. The US has many biostuff labs all over the world and they are rarely intended for local usage, probably more to avoid developing on the mainland. So you would at least have the possibilities, more or less in ascending line
- not intended at all for local weaponization
- the threat of the ambiguous presence is considered welcome
- the option of integrating the bioweapons lab in the military posture is considered useful
- there is a deliberate threat to integrate the bioweapons labs in warfare
- there is an intent to actually make use of the bioweapons in certain scenarios.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 7 2022 19:43 utc | 156

Posted by: JB | Mar 7 2022 19:16 utc | 141

I believe Russia isn't and shouldn't show up at the ICJ or any of these kangaroo courts.

Victor's justice, its always been this way even before the wheel was invented. This time it will be no different.

To show up will legitimize every sham trials, investigations and rulings. Milosevich? MH17?.......

The result will be favourable to Ukraine. With or without Russian representation. Its a foregone conclusion.

The west salami'ed its way to Moscow one slice too many. At this stage of the game, might is right. They've made their bed on this one.

Either they pin some war crimes on russia but freeze and starve or we'll see nuremberg mk2 at the end of this.

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 19:46 utc | 157

I too am waiting for them to bite and show themselves...
Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:59 utc | 135
lol
Just look for US damage control

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 19:47 utc | 158

JB @141--

Agreed, the charges must be challenged and countercharges leveled. Some of those charges are easily refuted by Ukie actions that must be formally noted, of course.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 19:48 utc | 159

@ AL
the upcoming release of the NATO bioweapons labs is causing some chagrin in the west

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 19:51 utc | 160

The Ukrainian South Eastern front from Kharkov to the Donbass has collapsed, Russian columns going in three directions; have taken Lozova (then on to Pavlohrad then Dnipro on the Dniepr River), Kramatorsk (splitting the surrounded Ukies in two), and near to Krasnohrad (then to Kremenchuk on the Dniepr River).

On the south side of the Donbass pocket, forces have advanced from Hunyaipole toward Pavlohrad, which would join up with the forces from the north.

The whole South East of Ukraine is now lost to the Skies, with the Russians having to now reduce the cauldrons through surrenders and/or deaths.

Update from this guy (change subtitles to Russian auto-generated then pick English):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZvlTMVMtlU

Posted by: Roger | Mar 7 2022 19:51 utc | 161

Posted by: WJ | Mar 7 2022 14:44 utc | 11:

The reason why I think this is likely is that empires always go down fighting.

This is the assumption behind the so-called Thucydides Trap. But what kind of fighting? The assumption doesn't specify while most people think in terms of both sides throwing everything they possess into the war. This may not be so. In a way, the fighting has started back in the early 90's when the USSR dissolved and the Empire turned its sight on China, the remaining impediment to its hegemony. They started with demonization of China on MSM, and at each of their vassal states' propaganda entities. You see that through their sucker vassals foaming at the mouth these days (note: ever heard of Scomo?). Then they played up the Taiwan/Tibet/Xinjiang Independence cards. Then they persuaded some ASEAN entities to play up South China Sea issues. The whole time China abided its time, bit its tongue, and kept its head on the grind to sharpen itself up. China succeeded! Now China is ready for the Empire to play its next card, without keeping quiet any more. In a few years, or may be 10, China will start playing its cards. The Empire won't like it, but that's one way the Thucydides Trap could play out, and likely would.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 7 2022 19:51 utc | 162

@Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Mar 7 2022 19:25

Whilst I am not suggesting there will not be a fuel shortage, the people in control of the UK Media (especially The Daily Mail - and The British Government (completely useless))..tried to cause a fuel shortage and panic buying about 6 months ago, and again last week.

The first time it worked. Nearly everyone queued up for hours, for about a week. Then nearly everyone's tanks were full, and virtually no one, except people like me, were buying fuel, until after the panic was over, because their tanks were still full, whilst mine was nearly empty. I have got a push bike.

Once bitten twice shy. No one took any notice of The Daily Mail last week. No panic. No queues.

Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 7 2022 19:51 utc | 163

lol
Just look for US damage control

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 19:47 utc | 158

Well if we were thinking the same one then he or she hasn't showed up since you popped the flare....

May be IT IS just like fishing. When they know you know, poof, and they're gone... LOL

At least no name jacking this time.

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 19:55 utc | 164

Re: Joseph Conrad

Yesterday in one of the threads here, someone wondered what Joseph Conrad would think of the world crisis. As it happens, I'm reading a Conrad novel right now. We're vacationing in Alabama, of all places, at a cabin on Mobile Bay, where I'm reading "Victory." I came across the following passage on a subject that we're seeing plenty of today:

"Duplicity -- the refuge of the weak and cowardly, but of the disarmed, too! Nothing stood between the enchanted dream of her existence and a cruel catastrophe but her duplicity. It seemed to her that the man sitting there before her was an unavoidable presence, which had attended all her life. He was the embodied evil of the world. She was not ashamed of her duplicity. With a woman's frank courage, as soon as she saw that opening she threw herself into it without reserve, with only one doubt -- that of her own strength. She was appalled by the situation; but already all her aroused femininity, understanding that whether Heyst loved her or not she loved him, and feeling that she had brought this on his head, faced the danger with a passionate desire to defend her own."

Posted by: Chas | Mar 7 2022 19:57 utc | 165

The extent of the Russophobic madness that's sweeping across the West.


"French Canadian restaurants are rushing to rename the ultra-popular snack poutine, concerned that its name’s resemblance to that of Russian President Vladimir Putin will upset customers caught up in a jingoistic frenzy over the war in Ukraine.

Poutine, an artery-clogging delicacy consisting of potato fries topped with cheese curds, gravy, and mayonnaise, was invented in Quebec in the 1950s and has since become ubiquitous in the Canadian province."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 19:57 utc | 166

Rus MoD gives a short briefing (in Russian)...
Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 16:46 utc | 71

Quick transcript (in Russian, but textual)

https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1076062

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 19:57 utc | 167

the upcoming release of the NATO bioweapons labs is causing some chagrin in the west

Posted by: ld | Mar 7 2022 19:51 utc | 160

I'm not dismissing it, I'm dismissing ICJ and similar as the forum.

UN is the only and last place to try before it should be burnt down and rebuilt from the ground up. (away from USA)

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 19:58 utc | 168

The fact that they are now in their knees begging Maduro and Bone Sawman for more oil tells me these idiots didnt really think before doing all this sanctions crap. Some people say NATO had these sanctions planned years in advance. Nah. Dont buy it. These idiots are just making it up as they go and digging a bigger hole for them.

Posted by: comandante | Mar 7 2022 19:58 utc | 169

Every cloud has a silver lining as they say.

"Russia’s ruling party has come up with the idea of nationalizing the production of companies announcing their departure from the Russian market during the military offensive in Ukraine."

Since the launch of the military operation, dozens of international enterprises have revealed their intention to cease operations in Russia, and the list is constantly growing. The secretary of United Russia’s general council, Andrey Turchak, called these actions “stabs in the back,” and warned of “tough retaliatory measures.”

“United Russia proposes to nationalize the production of those companies which announce their departure and the closure of production in Russia during a special operation in Ukraine. This is an extreme measure, but we will not tolerate stabs in the back, and we will protect our people,” Turchak said in a statement."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 19:59 utc | 170

So let me get it right. Civilians are being bombed, the whole country is invaded , Putin has raised the prospect of WWW3 and the west is supposed to do business as usual with Russia? Aren’t Ukrainians humans? This war is abhorrent. It is true that west has helped Russia get to this point and it is true that west has had more than its share of killing innocent people. However, there is no justification for this invasion.

Posted by: Allen | Mar 7 2022 20:04 utc | 171

Arioch | Mar 7 2022 18:53 utc | 128

I looked up that app but its part of google and all that crowd. I had already downloaded the Proton VPN app but the free version only let me go through servers in japan or other countries that are solidly tied to the US. The paid version I could go through servers in virtually any country but haven't bothered about it anymore.

The last part of your comment made me think of those ISIS oil convoys. Russia said very little or nothing about it for some time, until showing the aerial photographs at some meeting and also making them public then within hours began wiping them out. I think one of the US news channels showed Russian MoD footage and claimed it was the US blowing up ISIS oil convoys.

The lab in Kazakhstan that I researched just had a couple of Kazakhs working there. They would collect samples from the area. Some of the animals in the area were a natural reservoir for about four particularly nasty pathogens, not to mention coronavirus in the local bats. They would also do US directed research there.

The lab in Georgia though, as far as I can make out has a US section and Americans with diplomatic credentials or passes work there (pine gap installation in central Australia has a top secret American only section). That would be the sort of place to find solid evidence of a weapons program, but I don't know if Ukraine had labs where US personal also worked. The other thing is, a pathogen could be enhanced in say Georgia where Americans are working, then small samples sent to labs in Ukraine for propagation.

US does not do defense, only offence, so it is hard to believe all these pentagon labs are about defending against future disease outbreaks, rather than labs involved in development of bio weapons. Just a matter of getting solid evidence of their programs.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 20:07 utc | 172

@161 Thanks. Looks as though any Ukies who don't surrender will fall back on Dnipro. They may put up a bit of a stand there. There are 3 bridges across the Dnieper and they may blow them all as a parting gesture.

Posted by: dh | Mar 7 2022 20:08 utc | 173

So his country is now helping to fuel the war against Russia, and its also applied sanctions to Russia. Either Scholz hasn't thought this one through, or the US now calls the shots. As soon as Putin finds a buyer for the fuels that are currently going to Europe, the taps will be turned off, and Germany's industry will collapse, they'll be rioting in the streets of Berlin.

"Despite levying punishing economic sanctions on Russia, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Monday that Europe needs to keep importing Russian oil and gas, which he said are “essential” for the continent’s energy security."

“At the moment, Europe’s supply of energy for heat generation, mobility, power supply and industry cannot be secured in any other way,” than by importing from Russia, read an official statement from Scholz’ office. “It is therefore of essential importance for the provision of public services and the daily lives of our citizens.”

"Germany relies on Russia for around 55% of its total gas supply, while the EU imports more than half of all its energy products. Of these imports, Russia supplies 41% of gas, 46% of coal, and 27% of oil. "

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 20:09 utc | 174

@ karlof1 113

“arrogance” leads to self-inflicted wounds and amputation. We are left speechless but need to ask, what are they smoking?

* * *

Michael Hudson's chagrin, de-dollarization gathers pace:
Watch Erdogan. “We can trade with Russia using Rubles.” Depends on how safely he can be kept in the room or be trusted.

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@ A.L. 132
Another seppuku by the west.
I would say something about the new iron curtain being put up by the west. But the way they're going i don't think they'll be able to afford it....

Glad you went there. Debt in the trillions.
Sanctions are all they got…we know they can be ignored or worked around. Take Cuba and Iran over the past decades.

The Cat Federation sanctioned Russian cats… excluded from participating in the upcoming shows. No, this is a serious development.
Are we crazy? Larry (at 10 Downing - he dispatched 5 to 6 PMs ) and first cat, Willow (at White House) were not consulted. Cat fanciers are not amused. Left livid.

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From Live Updates – Sputniknews:
https://sputniknews.com/20220306/live-updates-over-163000-people-evacuated-from-areas-of-russias-spec-op-in-ukraine-1093642323.html

Hungary Refuses to Join New Western Sanctions on Russian Energy Sector
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Hungary will not support the expansion of anti-Russian sanctions in the energy sector as this would threaten both the national currency and welfare of Hungarians, Hungarian Finance Minister Mihaly Varga said on Monday.

"The Hungarian forint is also a victim of the Brussels sanctions. Sanctions already mean a serious threat to the Hungarian economy. The expansion of sanctions into the energy sector means the biggest threat to the forint and the Hungarian people. Whoever asks for the expansion of sanctions wants to make Hungarian people pay the price of the war.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2022 20:10 utc | 175

Re roger 161

The maker of these videos is a Ukrainian blogger , from Sumy, Yuri Podoliaka , who posts around 4 times a day and is regularly interviewed by Russian TV. He is not a military man. Comments on a range of political issues. He is pro Russian but not a nationalist and seems reasonably level headed. He gathers information from contacts throughout the country and treats wilder claims with some skepticism

His accent reminds me of my grandfather

Posted by: Aslangeo | Mar 7 2022 20:13 utc | 176

@Posted by: comandante | Mar 7 2022 19:58 utc | 169

Exactly, i posted in an earlier thread these measures seem truss-esq and straight from the hip without consulting any experts who knows their field.

None of the second order effects and blowbacks seems to have been considered, let alone 3rd order. And Russia haven't even played its cards properly yet.

Listen muppets (western leaders). Vlad hasn't played his cards yet because he may be waiting for you at the off-ramp.

The west would be wise to take it, go back to relative status quo for a while longer and plan for a graceful exit. Hopefully without bloodshed and much friendship.

I can dream right?

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 20:15 utc | 177

"Ergo, i believe the first domino to fall will be from the poorer EU nations without an ideological axe to grind or hard line politics. or one that has the greatest gap between the have and have nots.

Greece may be? I don't know, what do the others think?

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 18:52 utc | 127"

I think that we are beyond dominoes now.

Posted by: reante | Mar 7 2022 20:15 utc | 178

American support for neo-Nazis and fascists in Ukraine is not surprising.

Contrary to their propaganda that they are the Beacon of Liberty, the United States of America in practice is a Beacon of Lies, as it has been covertly sponsoring neo-Nazis for decades.

This Ukraine War has only helped to rip off America's mask and show this country for what it truly is: a nation of AmeriNazis.

SEVEN DECADES OF NAZI COLLABORATION: AMERICA’S DIRTY LITTLE UKRAINE SECRET
https://fpif.org/seven-decades-nazi-collaboration-americas-dirty-little-ukraine-secret/

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 7 2022 20:18 utc | 179

@161 Roger

Those things described in that video as likely next actions by Russian forces, haven't happened yet.

Ukraine forces possible/likely to stay to fight. This isn't 2014, Ukraine forces seem thoroughly indoctrinated now. RF surrounding Kiev unfortunately validates everything they've been told. They'd also risk the wrath of SBU etc if they escaped back to the west.

Therefore more of the same, but here in a dense overlapping version of it. Artillery dug into still populated cities and towns, helped with targeting by drones and satellite data. Plus these regions more prepared by Ukr as a battleground because proximity to Ukr expected war in East.

Potential for awfully destructive fighting here. All the while, NATO governments already under pressure to act - and Kiev also.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 7 2022 20:19 utc | 180

" However, there is no justification for this invasion."

Allen (171).

Because the EU and Nato were/are messing Ukraine's president Zelensky about, Zelensky threatened to reinstate nukes in Ukraine, Ukraine has the infrastructure to host nukes as it has done in the past, and with the Neo-Nazi's calling the shots via Washington in Ukraine, Putin has very little choice but to enter Ukraine, and secure his country from Neo-Nazis pointing nukes at Russia, he's also stopped the ongoing genocide of the people of Donbas who have been persecuted for at least eight years, of which the West knew about but chose to turn a blind eye. Ukraine is teeming with Neo-Nazis, there are many monuments to Nazi sympathisers as well as countless streets named after them, Neo-Nazi battalions have been incorporated into the Ukrainian armed forces, they have committed atrocities against Russian speaking Ukrainians to the East, and even forced them into a building and burned it down with them in it whilst singing the Ukrainian national anthem at Odessa.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 20:20 utc | 181

peter AU1 137

you may be a goon with an anger management problem but you got this one right.

Soviet style collapse is indeed in order for the West. I call it inverted perestroika, in reference to the relative economics of it when compared to the Soviet version. But the same goes for the East, too.

What goes around comes around, and around...and around.

Posted by: reante | Mar 7 2022 20:21 utc | 182

@Posted by: Aslangeo | Mar 7 2022 20:13 utc | 176

Thanks for the background. His updates are very level-headed, I have to use google maps to work out which towns are on the map (google has the names in both Ukrainian and English style). Has been pretty reliable for the last few days.

Perhaps now the "the Russian army is struggling" BS will now stop?

Posted by: Roger | Mar 7 2022 20:21 utc | 183

AND he's back!

:P

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 20:22 utc | 184

Arioch | Mar 7 2022 19:57 utc | 167

Thanks for digging up the text.

Yandex translate the more relevant section from Arioch's link

Under the pretext of testing the means of treatment and prevention of COVID-19, several thousand samples of blood serum of patients, primarily belonging to the Slavic ethnic group, were taken from Ukraine to the Alter Reed Research Institute (?)of the US Army. At the same time, the activities of biolabs, which have been active since 2014, and the so-called reform of the Ukrainian healthcare system implemented by the United States have led to an uncontrolled increase in the incidence of particularly dangerous and economically significant infections.

So in the territory of Ukraine, an increase in the number of cases of rubella, diphtheria, tuberculosis is recorded. The incidence of measles has increased more than 100 times. WHO has declared Ukraine a country with a high risk of polio outbreak.

We believe that in 2007, a highly contagious strain of African swine fever was developed in a Georgian laboratory subordinate to the Pentagon. Its spread caused significant economic damage to a number of countries, including Ukraine and Poland. Excluded them from the list of pork exporters.

The Department of the Chief of the NBC Protection Troops constantly analyzes the biological situation on the territory of Ukraine. According to our data, there is an emergency curtailment of biological programs. The analyzed documents confirm that the Ministry of Health of Ukraine has set the task of completely destroying bioagents in laboratories since 24.02. At the same time, an analysis of instructions to laboratory officials indicates that the procedure for liquidation and quantity are aimed at their irrevocable destruction. Apparently, everything necessary to continue the implementation of the military biological program has already been removed from the territory of Ukraine.

Analysis of the facts of destruction shows that work has been carried out on the causative agents of plague, anthrax and brucellosis in the Lviv biolab. Pathogens of diphtheria, salmonellosis and dysentery in the laboratory of Kharkiv and Poltava. Here are some of them. In Lviv alone, 232 containers with the causative agent of leptospirosis, 30 with tularemia and 10 with brucellosis and 5 with plague were destroyed. There are more than 320 containers in total.

The nomenclature and excessive number of pathogens indicate the work carried out within the framework of military biological programs. Curators from the Pentagon understand that if this collection gets to Russian experts, then with a high degree of probability it will be confirmed that Ukraine and the United States have violated the Convention on the prohibition of biological and toxin weapons, namely, work to enhance the pathogenic properties of microorganisms using synthetic biology methods. Only this can explain the haste with which the liquidation measures were carried out.

This is only a small part of the documents. We continue to work and will keep you informed.

Reading through that, Russian MoD knows what the Pentagon is doing but needs to get hold of some of the samples as solid proof the Pentagon is modifying pathogens to use as weapons.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 7 2022 20:23 utc | 185

https://www.reuters.com/business/china-ensure-agricultural-product-supplies-including-grains-2022-03-05/

At this rate i'd start believing Putin invented climate weapons...
Like destroying all roads and bridges in Alberta, Canada was not enough.

China says, due to excessive rains they would gather 1/3 less winter wheat than they planned to. IOW this year they would buy much more than usual.
Hope Europe has good harvests this summer.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 20:24 utc | 186

Posted by: librul | Mar 7 2022 14:32 utc | 5

Don't forget who supported and financed the German Nazi Party, from its rise in the 1920s.

Posted by: Barofsky | Mar 7 2022 20:25 utc | 187

“Ergo, i believe the first domino to fall will be from the poorer EU nations without an ideological axe to grind or hard line politics. or one that has the greatest gap between the have and have nots.

Greece may be? I don't know, what do the others think?”

I just read a Twitter thread on news of Hostile Countries being paid in Rubles and not one single comment directed arains Russia or Putin. Most everyone was directing their anger on Italian government and Mario Draghi. I think the popular revolt will occur spontaneously everywhere even in London.

Posted by: Milos | Mar 7 2022 20:27 utc | 188

Posted by: JB | Mar 7 2022 18:39 utc | 124

The Uki side is invoking the Genocide Convention because the Russian side has implicitly evoked it first, though without going to the Court? I am understanding it correctly?

Posted by: Jomathan W | Mar 7 2022 20:30 utc | 189

US top brass visit secret airbase near border with Ukraine that is a hive of activity with over 17 flight a day landing and offloading weapons. US European Command (EUCOM) is responsible for coordinating the weapons transfers, and is working with other countries including the UK “to ensure that we are using our resources to maximum efficiency to support the Ukrainians in an organized way,”

Russia hasn't started to target these weapons yet as they enter Ukraine, but they soon will destroying the weapons as they enter the country before they can be used against them.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 20:32 utc | 191

Yuri Podoliaka.... He is pro Russian but not a nationalist and seems reasonably level headed.

Posted by: Aslangeo | Mar 7 2022 20:13 utc | 176

He is not pro-Russian. He arguably is pro-Ukrainian.

He was Orange Maidan officer and learnt Ukraine can not use West for her benefit, so he became anti-Maidan. It does not make him pro-Russian though. For example, pro-Russian person would not try to implant Right Sector activist Eugenia Bilchenko into Russian "expertdom" on Ukraine. However it perfectly suits caring for "my maidan ilk, who came the same painful road of West's betrayal as i did".

Caveat Emptor

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 20:34 utc | 192

fyi


https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500921217833971725

Moscow warns that the price of oil may reach $300 a barrel in the event of a ban on Russian exports
1:47 PM · Mar 7, 2022·

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 7 2022 20:34 utc | 193

I’m fairly certain the greater idea is to depopulate the planet.

Why create scarcity of energy through costs, which lowers production of food, etc in a largely capitalist world?

I refuse to believe that the green efforts are to save the planet from warming by reducing carbon derived energy, without reducing energy demand.
The quickest way to reduce carbon demand is to reduce the population.

I believe the goal is to save the planet through depopulation.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Mar 7 2022 20:35 utc | 194

I wonder if he's billed for roaming charges, and I wonder if Russian technology could pinpoint this phone via satelite.

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has access to mobile encrypted communications equipment which travels with him at all times and allows him to dial up US President Joe Biden at a moment’s notice, the New York Times has reported, citing sources said to be familiar with the situation.
The equipment was reportedly used by Zelensky Saturday for a 35-minute call with Biden."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 20:38 utc | 195

Posted by: Roger | Mar 7 2022 19:51 utc | 161
Thanks for that info Roger. I'm tracking things as best I can.
(I think Hunyaipole should read Huliaipole or Hulyaipole. 70 mi. NW of Mariupol)
That should complete the kettle in the Donbas.

What I'm anxiously awaiting is info from the south in Mykolaiv and west to Odessa, thence locking up the entire coast.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 7 2022 20:38 utc | 196

Seward | Mar 7 2022 19:09 utc | 139, many thanks for corroborating my suppositions above. It's not good news, but it needs to be understood. Some of the mystery about Putin's earlier speeches that promised clarification if his points were not directly addressed (which they were not) are blowing away like the morning fog.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 7 2022 20:38 utc | 197

Likklemore! Wagwaan?
Soon come babylon a fall, seen I?

In short: Buy gold, while you still can..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 7 2022 20:39 utc | 198

The equipment was reportedly used by Zelensky Saturday for a 35-minute call with Biden."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 20:38 utc | 195

Probably has a slug of c4 in it as well. Stay useful Z... Lol

Posted by: A.L | Mar 7 2022 20:39 utc | 199

Now that access to Russia's MFA has returned I can provide the following excerpt from Lavrov's 25 February presser (yes, that website's been suppressed that long) My emphasis throughout:

"Question: President Vladimir Zelensky announced Kiev’s willingness to hold talks but there is a need for security guarantees that nobody is allegedly giving. Is Moscow ready for such talks? If yes, what are the terms?

"Sergey Lavrov: President Zelensky has lied and cheated. He mentioned talks in at least two dimensions. First, he bluntly refused to fulfil the Minsk agreements while appealing to his Western patrons to convene Normandy format meetings, with or without a reason, and did not guarantee that these meetings would produce any real results. His appeals were designed to replace what he had to do to implement the agreements reached at the previous rounds of talks.

"The second example of President Zelensky appealing for talks was to negotiate an accession to NATO and the granting of NATO security guarantees. All this was done in the open and quite recently. Everyone heard it. There were other threats in this vein, notably that Ukraine would be free of the commitment to not have nuclear arms if it were not protected in accordance with the Budapest Memorandum. I hope everyone read this memorandum. It says nothing about a commitment to recognise anti-government coups and meet a regime halfway that announced genocide against part of its own people by objecting to the Russian language, Russian education, and many other things that belong to Russian culture and are an inalienable part of Ukrainian society, including the Orthodox Church. Following the example of his predecessor, former President Petr Poroshenko, Zelensky is destroying this church. So there were plenty of opportunities that President Zelensky missed.

"We suggested discussing security guarantees in December of 2021. He was well aware of this. The only condition was to fulfil the demands of the agreements that were signed at the top level at the OSCE. I am referring to the commitment not to try to enhance one’s own security at the expense of the security of others. He did not want to abide by this commitment. Likewise, his Western patrons did not want to fulfil their commitments as expressed in this phrase, in these words. Everyone was saying that the freedom to choose an alliance as a means of ensuring Ukraine’s security was sacred. This is why he is not telling you the truth now. In simple terms, he is lying when he says he is willing to discuss a neutral status. We proposed many options for ensuring security. President Vladimir Putin talked about this at a news conference following his talks with President Emmanuel Macron. He bluntly said that NATO’s expansion was unacceptable but that we wanted to seek, at joint talks and through joint efforts, security options that would guarantee the relevant conditions, opportunities and requirements for Ukraine, the European countries and, of course, the Russian Federation.

"Our December 2021 initiatives on ensuring security aim at searching for guarantees outside the expansion of military-political blocs, primarily NATO. So, President Zelensky’s missed opportunities are well known and it is useless to try to lay the blame at the wrong door."

Some "journalists" are extremely stupid. Perhaps it was asleep for over a month or sequestered on a desert island divorced from learning current events. And again, we see th]e same behavior in the following question:

"Question (retranslated from English): What is the purpose of this operation? Is it to overthrow the democratically elected President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky? What is the exit plan? You say you don’t want to occupy Ukraine, but how are you going to withdraw Russian troops after Russia puts in a pro-Russian government?

"Sergey Lavrov: I refuse to think that a journalist from a major media outlet like yours failed to read the address by President Vladimir Putin, which he made in early morning yesterday.

"The answers to the questions you just asked can be found in his address. Once again, I draw your attention to the fact that made everything clear in his address. We cannot recognise a government that oppresses its own people and uses genocidal methods against them as democratic."

Perhaps the person couldn't read the speech text because the website was suppressed at the time. Lavrov then proceeds to tear this person apart:

"So that we are on the same page, please tell me where you stand when you cover current developments? Does democratic society, the values ​​of which you advocate so vehemently, agree with the efforts to ban the use of a language spoken by the majority of the population? Do democracies that you represent agree with the decision to ban education in the Russian language, or in any other language spoken by the people for that matter, from, say, grade 5? Or, to make illegal the use of one’s mother tongue in everyday life, including shopping, talking to people at hotels or other public places? Is it customary in a democratic society to refer to people in a certain part of the country, in this case Ukraine, as 'subhuman' or as a 'species, as President Zelensky called them? At our talks today we recalled President Poroshenko’s promises after he had been democratically elected. He said that the portion of Ukraine under their control will have everything, including schools, kindergartens, food, leisure and prosperity, whereas those (he pointed to Donbass) will sit and rot in their holes.

"President Vladimir Zelensky said something along these lines when he demanded that those who consider themselves part of Russian culture should get out of Ukraine. Tell me, if English were suddenly banned in Ireland, how would the UK respond to that? Or if French were to be banned in Belgium? I do not think such a legislative initiative would have survived for more than a few days, or even hours. However, in the West, everything is perceived solely through the lens of their own selfish interests. That is, when you are infringed upon in any way, you immediately begin to cause a ruckus about it, but when the linguistic, cultural and religious rights of millions of people in Ukraine are infringed upon, your emphasis shifts from human rights to the 'democratic' nature of the local regime."

I've never read that sort of well deserved tirade from Lavrov. It's a shame I couldn't post this presser at the time. Then Lavrov attacked the whole of the assembled Western media--I mean WOW!

"I’d be remiss not to mention a CNN correspondent who is cruising around Ukraine and is busy with something on the former line of contact. But during the past eight years, not a single Western news agency, including the respectable media in this audience, has covered the events on the line of contact. At the same time, our journalists worked around the clock on the line of contact on the side of the self-defence units and showed how things really were: how the Ukrainian armed forces destroy the civilian sector, kill women and children, fire shells at sites that must be protected under any circumstances given that it is a war crime to attack them. Things were about the same when NATO aircraft bombed Belgrade deliberately targeting passenger trains crossing bridges and firing shells at the television centre. So, the Ukrainian regime has things to look up to. President of Russia Vladimir Putin said we will see what comes of it depending on the circumstances. He reaffirmed that we are interested in seeing independent Ukrainian people led by a government that represents their diversity, so that they do not end up in a situation where they are totally governed by external forces seeking to encourage neo-Nazism and the genocide of the Russian people and to use Ukraine as a tool to contain Russia."

Then the next question displays that Western media is 100% deaf:

"Question (retranslated from English): Let’s get rid of the euphemisms. This is not a special military operation, is it? This is a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine. How can you justify the conquest of a peaceful nation, your neighbour? Do you believe when you are shelling it, Ukraine will be motivated to move towards the east rather than the west?"

These media people apparently desire to have their innards torn out verbally as Lavrov reloads and fires another two-barrels:

"Sergey Lavrov: I am not an expert on euphemisms. We are far behind Anglo-Saxons in this respect. Take just the descriptions of all those interventions that were carried out against Yugoslavia (in the struggle for democracy), the destruction of Iraq and Libya (this was also a struggle for advancing democracy) with hundreds of thousands of people killed. So I will not even try to compete with you in euphemisms.

"As for your question of what to do with the desires of the Ukrainians who want to be 'here or there.' It was necessary to think about this from the very start. President Vladimir Putin warned the NATO countries at the Russia-NATO summit in Bucharest in 2008 that they should think twice before proudly stating that Ukraine and Georgia would join NATO. This was presented to him as a great compromise that Germany and France managed to reach by replacing the US proposal on the immediate announcement of NATO membership action plans for Ukraine and Georgia. At that time, he tried to bring them to reason and asked them not to treat a country that was just in the process of developing its independence like this.

"At that time, the President of Russia said what he wrote in his articles: the Ukrainian state is very fragile and must be treated as such. But our NATO colleagues went straight ahead without any euphemism, with only one aim in mind (in terms of your words about Ukraine moving west or east) – to subordinate the Russian language, and to subjugate the culturally Russian east of Ukraine to its pro-Western, Bandera mentality.

"It is obvious to me that this goal was already set at that time. To avoid a euphemism, we want the Ukrainian people, or as President of Russia Vladimir Putin said, all peoples living on the territory of current Ukraine, to have the opportunity to freely decide their destiny without any attempt to drive them into the vice of Bandera-like psychology.

"Russia will ensure Ukraine’s demilitarisation and de-Nazification. We suffered too much from Nazism. The Ukrainian people also suffered too much from Nazism to shut their eyes to this and take it so lightly.

"Everything is clear as regards demilitarisation. No one would argue. Read memoirs by retired American generals and colonels; they start telling the truth only after they retire, unfortunately. Practically all of them say that the United States would never tolerate the deployment of weapons that could lead to the militarisation of their next door neighbours.

"Since we have now recalled 2008 and the Bucharest Summit, I would like to remind you that later, then US representative at NATO, Ivo Daalder, called this Bucharest decision a major mistake in the history of the Alliance, without using a euphemism."

I sympathize with Lavrov's being so confounded by the utter ineptness of Western Media for they are indeed Presstitutes--deaf and dumb, but unfortunately not mute, and prevaricators on top of all that. There's more in the trascript that I will include when I write this into an article and publish it at my VK Space. But I will add this last bit from Lavrov that's tells all:

"No one is going to attack the Ukrainian people, or to degrade Ukrainian servicemen. It is about not allowing neo-Nazis and those who promote genocidal methods to run that country. Currently, the Kiev regime is controlled by two external mechanisms: the US-led West and neo-Nazis who are promoting their 'culture,' which is flourishing in modern Ukraine."

IMO, Lavrov ought to have made "culture" plural.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 20:40 utc | 200

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