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March 7, 2022
To Punish Russia The ‘Liberal Order’ Attempts To Suicide Itself

Two days ago we looked at why Russia is doing what it does:

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

The 'west' had failed to understand Russia's need to act. It has failed to make the necessary commitments, and accept Russia's reasonable demands, to avoid the struggle. In consequence it will now fall apart. The knee-jerk reaction to Russia's 'special military operation' in Ukraine will, as Alastair Crooke writes, lead to the end of the 'liberal order':

So Biden, finally, has his foreign policy ‘success’: Europe is walling itself off from Russia, China, and the emerging integrated Asian market. It has sanctioned itself from ‘dependency’ on Russian natural gas (without prospect of any immediate alternatives) and it has thrown itself in with the Biden project. Next up, the EU pivot to sanctioning China?

Will this last? It seems improbable. German industry has a long history for staging its own mercantile interests before wider geo-political ambitions – before, even, EU interests. And in Germany, the business class effectively is the political class and needs competitively-priced energy.

Whilst the rest of the world shows little or no enthusiasm to join with sanctions on Russia (China has ruled out sanctions on Russia), Europe is in hysteria. This will not fade quickly. The new ‘Iron Curtain’ erected in Brussels may last years.

But what of the unintended consequences to last Saturday’s ‘sanctions Blitzkrieg’: the ‘unknowable unknowns’ in Rumsfeld’s famous mantra? The unprecedented switch-off affecting a key part of the Globalist system did not download into a neutral, inert context – It developed into an emotionally hyper-charged atmosphere of Russophobia.

Now reality comes back to bite the inept minions who attempt to rule over us.


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Europe can not sustain this, Russia can:

In sum, the changes set out by von der Leyen and the EU, with surging crude oil costs, could potentially tip global markets into crisis, and set off spiraling inflation. Cost inflation created by energy costs spiraling higher and food disruptions are not so easily susceptible to monetary remedies. If the daily drama of the war in Ukraine starts to fade from public view, and inflation persists, the political cost of von der Leyen’s Saturday drama is likely to be European-wide recession.

“Since well before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Europeans have been struggling under the weight of runaway energy bills”, OilPrice.com notes. In Germany, for some, one month’s energy costs the same as they used to pay for a whole year; in the UK the government has raised the price cap for energy bills by a whopping 54%, and in Italy a recent 40% domestic energy cost hike could now nearly double.

The New York Times describes this impact on local businesses and industries as nothing short of “frightening”, as all kinds of small businesses across Europe (prior to last week’s events) have been forced to cease their operations as energy costs outweigh profits. Large industries have not been immune to sticker shock either. “Almost two-thirds of the 28,000 companies surveyed by the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and Industry this month rated energy prices as one of their biggest business risks … For those in the industrial sector, the figure was as high as 85 percent.”

And it is not only Europe. Energy prices are based on global markets. As are the prices for many other minerals and metals which have suddenly become rare:


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The U.S. will be hit just as much as Europe. Early today oil prices in Europe hit $139 per barrel, well above last week's market close. They will increase further. Gasoline prices in the U.S. will soon hit $6-7-8 per gallon.


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The attempt by the U.S. to rush towards a new Iran deal to get Iranian oil flooding the markets has failed. Russia, together with Iran, has successfully blocked that move. Sanctions on Russia mean that Iran can not export its enriched uranium to Russia to be turned into nuclear fuel. No Iranian export of enriched uranium means no JCPOA deal. Secretary of State Blinken has failed to understand that. The supposedly ready to be signed return to the nuclear deal is now in jeopardy.

Some U.S. refineries at the south coast are designed to only process heavy oil variants. Since 2019 the U.S. has blockaded heavy oil imports from Venezuela and replaced them with imports of heavy Ural variants from Russia. It has now send too officials to Caracas to try to get Venezuela's oil flowing again. That would of course require to lift all sanctions off Venezuela and to return all confiscated companies and the gold that is owned by that country. It is not going to happen anytime soon.

High end German cars are build with aluminum from Russia. Boeing needs Russian titanium to build planes. These manufacturers will soon start to lay off people. All this while food, heating and mobility costs will increase dramatically. A deep recession combined with strong inflation will rip social cohesion apart. I do expect strong anger in the streets of Europe and the U.S. There will be riots and in consequence a strong political move to the right. The mid-term elections will destroy the Russophobic Democrats.

Michael Hudson notes the immense strategic damage the U.S. has done to itself:

The recent escalation of U.S. sanctions blocking Europe, Asia and other countries from trade and investment with Russia, Iran and China has imposed enormous opportunity costs – the cost of lost opportunities – on U.S. allies. And the recent confiscation of the gold and foreign reserves of Venezuela, Afghanistan and now Russia, along the targeted grabbing of bank accounts of wealthy foreigners (hoping to win their hearts and minds, along with recovery of their sequestered accounts), has ended the idea that dollar holdings or those in its sterling and euro NATO satellites are a safe investment haven when world economic conditions become shaky.

So I am somewhat chagrined as I watch the speed at which this U.S.-centered financialized system has de-dollarized over the span of just a year or two. The basic theme of my Super Imperialism has been how, for the past fifty years, the U.S. Treasury-bill standard has channeled foreign savings to U.S. financial markets and banks, giving dollar diplomacy a free ride. I thought that de-dollarization would be led by China and Russia moving to take control of their economies to avoid the kind of financial polarization that is imposing austerity on the United States. But U.S. officials are forcing them to overcome whatever hesitancy they had to de-dollarize.

This will not just happen with China or Russia but the whole world will over the next years turn away from the dollarized U.S. system:

Nobody thought that the postwar 1945-2020 world order would give way this fast. A truly new international economic order is emerging, although it is not yet clear just what form it will take. But “prodding the Bear” with the U.S./NATO confrontation with Russia has passed critical-mass level. It no longer is just about Ukraine. That is merely the trigger, a catalyst for driving much of the world away from the US/NATO orbit.

The next showdown may come within Europe itself as nationalist politicians seek to lead a break-away from the over-reaching U.S. power-grab over its European and other Allies to keep them dependent on U.S.-based trade and investment. The price of their continuing obedience is to impose cost-inflation on their industry while relinquishing their democratic electoral politics to subordination to America’s NATO proconsuls.

These consequences cannot really be deemed “unintended.”

All the consequences of the 'west's' reaction to Russia's move were foreseeable. It is pure recklessness and stupidity that have allowed them to take place. The 'west' will now get punished for the bad movie it has launched.


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Too bad that I don't speak Russian … It is now the place to be.

Jimmy Salford @1Fubar – 7:06 UTC · Mar 6, 2022

Russia has already been cut off from CNN, Pornhub and Facebook. The US is now working on depriving Russians of MacDonalds and CocaCola. If they keep going with these sanctions, Russians will soon be among the healthiest, well adjusted and best informed people on the planet.

Comments

“Why would the U.S. position those biolabs in Ukraine and Georgia, adjoining Russia? Kharkov/Kharkiv is in fact right on the border.
Posted by: Lysias | Mar 7 2022 23:10 utc | 285”
Globalist ponzi finance always needs new entrants into the global ponzi in order to keep the ponzi going. Entrants come in the form of industrial sectors.
The fake field of virology is an industrial sector in its heyday in case we all hadn’t noticed.
Industries in their prime have reasonably good debt dynamics. The interest burden on the debt is manageable. This means the debt can be used as collateral in the derivatives market so as to keep the global ponzi.
Industrialism is nested ponzis.
Industries long in the tooth have trouble servicing their debts and these obligations become the Hot Potatoes of the repo market.
Biolabs get partly financed by bonds in host countries. Biolabs in Eastern Europe are the new entrants in the newish-entrant industrial sector that is the fake field of virology. And it gets NATO’s hooks in deeper.
Kind of like when the coal industry went into last-entrant Mongolia at the turn of the century. I remember that really pissed me off at the time. That was rotten. Now Mongolian warriors ride steel horses and play Mongolian rock music but who am I to judge lol.
George, can I get a witness?

Posted by: reante | Mar 7 2022 23:27 utc | 301

Wait till Russia now gets on board and discovers Linux now that Microsoft has decided that the evil Russians must be denied the wonders of Microsoft’s output.
Posted by: Thom Payne | Mar 7 2022 23:14 utc | 291
Here is what intrigues me…
Microsoft claimed in their blog that they would cease new sells AND services to Russia.
However, Skype still works, GutHub even publicly voted against abanning Russian programmers.
So what they specifically meant by denying srvices to Russia is so very not clear…
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Agreed. Martyanov dismisses him. Of course, Martyanov dismisses most people. 🙂
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 23:09 utc | 281
SmoothieX12 has one big ego indeed 🙂
But he dismisses him on the ground that the guy does not say anything smart and of his own. I do not have problem with that. Someone, compiling information and retelling it simplified and watered down enough for commoners to be able to digest – this is a needed niche too.
However i am always suspicious about his motivation. Because the edge between “merely reporting” and “trying to influence” is very blurry.
Like i said at Smoothie’s blog, for my to read yurasumy means to continuously ask myself about everything he claimed, if there can or can not be a covert influencing attempt. To me that is way too exhausting so i prefer other compilators. But it probably is that 99% of Yuri’s compilations are as fair and unbiased as he can produce. It is just that there will be that 1% as well and we don’t know in advance when it would be.
As a rule of thumb, any his possible reflections on “what should Russia do for the benefit of Russia” i personally would skip without even glossing over.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 23:34 utc | 303

@209 Cadence

I don’t do links, so if a barfly could post the Mearsheimer link, I’d appreciate it.

Sorry, I am too tired to check if somebody has responded to this already. The following link is not the Mearsheimer presentation from 2015 or whenever, but a more recent discussion (March 2nd) between him, Ray McGovern and others … here
A bit long but well worth watching. However, as another poster mentioned, I think these fertile seeds may fall on stoney ground for some people.

Posted by: echelon | Mar 7 2022 23:37 utc | 304

@273 Richard Steven Hack
Yes Zelensky’s government and their sponsors certainly sent them in there to bombard cities, provoke a war, and then get sacrificed. But be that as it may, who do you suppose is gonna spend the next 5 years picking up the pieces afterwards? The UN?
Anyway it’s close to a done deal. If Ukr formations in there want to fight it out, they’ll get their wish. Pardon me if I don’t celebrate.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 7 2022 23:40 utc | 305

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 23:16 utc | 294
Well, theoretically, there is “gun barrel” kind of assembly used with bomb dropped on Hiroshima. It is crude, less effective, but easier to make. Someone without much experience or resources in making bombs would probably do this design first (cough cough Ukies).
I imagine this design is rather easy to detonate if charge is activated by external force. So there are old obsolete type of nukes that can be triggered.
Just a nitpick.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 7 2022 23:41 utc | 306

@Unnamed #221
A goldbug is someone who distorts reality in the hope that their gold bar(s) becomes more valuable.
I’ve clearly laid out reality:
1) Nobody is on a gold standard
2) Nobody is going to be on a gold standard
3) Gold is a terrible way to pay for anything
But I’ll expand further since you clearly have no idea.
Every single nation on planet Earth today prints money.
Some to greater degrees, some to lesser degrees but they ALL do.
A gold standard takes this power out of government hands.
Why again would any government want that?
The wet dream of goldbugs is that all of the world’s existing fiat cash value will somehow be shoehorned into the value of gold – hence driving up the price of same.
This wet dream is identical to the wet dream of Bitcoin holders – and both are stupid for the exact same reason: there is no reason nor benefit for any government to do this.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2022 23:42 utc | 307

305 here is the latest John Mearsheimer on the current situation – also Ray McGovern, Susan Eisenhower, Prof Postel and John Matlok
Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine Salon | Ray McGovern, John Mearsheimer

Posted by: C_A | Mar 7 2022 23:42 utc | 308

@WJ #11
Satanic?
Shame on you for disparagimg Satan. More than likely this behavior you describe is Christian in nature.

Posted by: fnord | Mar 7 2022 23:45 utc | 309

I’ll tell you what is suspicious about the labs. Do you think virologists grow on trees? Even for a plum assignment (?) like Ft.Detrick anyone with half a brain tells the military recruiter to sod off. Who the military gets is the dregs. Same applies to Eco Health Alliance, anything connected to Ralph Baric, etc. Any smart enough to do virology are clever enough to smell shit a long way off.
So these labs are cover for nasty bullshit. Dangerous materials being handled by half-trained nitwits. You think they do research? Dream on.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 7 2022 23:45 utc | 310

Posted by: librul | Mar 7 2022 14:32 utc | 5
Hard to say. But lately at Odysee I watched a Jimmy Dore video on the subject featuring a talkshow clip from Ukrainian TV, wherein a muscle bound skin-head with a blond crewcut spouts off about his plans for the greater glory of the white race, while his two fellow panelists avert their gaze and stare off into the distance, obviously too afraid of him to offer criticism but also ashamed of themselves for their cowardice.
This, to me, spoke volumes on the subject.
You might also want to learn more about Stephan Bandera, a WW2 collaborator of Hitler’s whom all these guys worship: put his picture on the wall of their houses, get drunk and cry on his birthday, and hold torchlit parades in his honor between times.
It was like “Springtime for Hitler”, but for real.

Posted by: kral | Mar 7 2022 23:51 utc | 311

@drshivago #14
I love how you use socialism and corporations/oligarchy in the same sentence. /s

Posted by: fnord | Mar 7 2022 23:52 utc | 312

: Republicofscotland | Mar 7 2022 20:32 utc | 191
Nuclear devices are not explosives that could be detonated by nearby explosion.
They need an internal explosion within some specially designed container in order to start the famous nuclear chain reaction.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 7 2022 23:54 utc | 313

karlof1 #284
Thank you for the link to Setting ‘US standard for democracy’ goes against democracy: Wang Yi to the Global Times.
This is what is happening to Biden Blinken and their entourage right now. ps: there is good bass playing here as well.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2022 23:54 utc | 314

To get a clue re, not just the current events in Ukraine, but what the PNAC Neocons (still in control (like a New Pearl Harbour (9/11)))
Listen to the hacked tapes of 2014 by the Cookie Girl Victoria Nuland. She had no idea she was being recorded – “F@ck The EU”…and everything else she said.
It just so happens that “Catherine Margaret Ashton, Baroness Ashton of Upholland”, was hacked and recorded too. She was the EU’s “first High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security policy.” Basically the equivalent job as Hilary Clinton at the time.
Cathy Ashton, was completely naive, clueless and innocent. She did not have a clue what was going on. You can tell by how she responded in the telephone call
She didn’t know anything. The Americans hadn’t told her a thing.
Whilst we thank the Americans for their help near the end of WWII, It was The Russians who defeated the NAZI’s, who were financed by the Americans, and who probably wanted The NAZI’s to win.
They had no great affection for us English, and would still bomb the sh1t out of us, if they thought they could make a profit out it.
We gave up our British Empire. More trouble than it was worth.
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 7 2022 23:57 utc | 315

@Peter AU1 #226
Fuel Information For Diesel vs. Gasoline

Gasoline contains mainly alkanes (paraffins), alkenes (olefins), and aromatics. Diesel fuel consists mainly of paraffins, aromatics and naphthenes. The hydrocarbons of gasoline contain typically 4-12 carbon atoms with boiling range between 30 and 210 °C, whereas diesel fuel contains hydrocarbons with approximately 12–20 carbon atoms and the boiling range is between 170 and 360 °C. Gasoline and diesel fuel contain approximately 86 wt-% of carbon and 14 wt-% of hydrogen but the hydrogen to carbon ratio changes somewhat depending on composition.

The NGLs that come from shale fracking are

Ethane, propane, butane, isobutane, and pentane

NGL components according to IEA
They are 2, 3, 4, 4, and 5 carbon atoms, respectively.
Pentanes are a gasoline component – the others are not.
As for whether “heavy” crude is needed for diesel as opposed to say, “normal” oil or “light sweet” oil, I don’t know.
It is probably a function of how refineries generally operate as opposed to any physics-based requirement because “heavy” seems to be more associated with the super-molecule hydrocarbons
This link seems to say so: Crude Oil: Sweet Light Sour Heavy

Now that we know the difference between light and heavy, sour and sweet, which grade does a typical refinery prefer? Again, the answer is not so simple. Some refineries are configured to process lighter, sweeter grades of oil, while others have equipment that is better suited to handle heavy, sour crude. In the U.S. gulf coast region, refiners are equipped to process heavier grades of crude, such as has been imported from Mexico, Venezuela, and the Middle East for many years. Alternately, many Canadian refiners traditionally prefer lighter, sweeter grades of oil, which was either produced domestically or imported as Brent crude.
In fact, most refineries are configured to handle a blend of both light and heavy oils (called the “crude slate”) to produce the most desirable and valuable refined products (or “product slate”). This is why refiners must often use crude from several sources in order to achieve their optimal feedstock. Due to new sources of oil recently made available through shale drilling and oil sands extraction, the crude slate is rapidly changing, and many refineries are slow to catch up. Those that have made the necessary upgrades to their facilities are able to process a broader crude slate, meaning they can change their processing operations to accommodate whatever grades are readily available at competitive prices. For example, the sulfur content of crude oil feedstock to U.S. refiners has increased from 0.88% in 1985 to over 1.4% in 2017 (per EIA’s website). At the same time, most of the oil produced from shale formations is relatively light, and is produced in quantities exceeding refiners’ ability to blend it into their crude slate. This is why U.S. drillers celebrated the December 2015 lifting of the ban on crude oil exports, allowing them to export excess sweet crude at a handsome profit. The following chart from the EIA shows different grades of crude available to refiners today:

The lighter, sweeter grades of crude oil command a price premium, as they are easier to process and produce a higher percentage of gasoline than heavier grades, which produce more diesel fuel.

The entire process of refining is separating out various sizes of hydrocarbons into groups and then blending to form saleable products – of which the gasoline and diesel fuels are the largest by volume.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 7 2022 23:58 utc | 316

I found Hudson’s latest rushed by the utter unexpectedness of a series of unanticipated events precipitated by the Outlaw US Empire, which caused Hudson to confess being “chagrined” Some excerpts have already been posted, so I’ll limit myself to what I see as the important core:
“Nobody thought that the postwar 1945-2020 world order would give way this fast. A truly new international economic order is emerging, although it is not yet clear just what form it will take. But ‘prodding the Bear’ with the U.S./NATO confrontation with Russia has passed critical-mass level. It no longer is just about Ukraine. That is merely the trigger, a catalyst for driving much of the world away from the US/NATO orbit.
“The next showdown may come within Europe itself. Nationalist politicians could seek to lead a break-away from the over-reaching U.S. power-grab over its European and other Allies, trying in vain to keep them dependent on U.S.-based trade and investment. The price of their continuing obedience is to impose cost-inflation on their industry while relinquishing their democratic electoral politics in subordination to America’s NATO proconsuls.
“These consequences cannot really be deemed ‘unintended.’ Too many observers have pointed out exactly what would happen – headed by President Putin and Foreign Secretary Lavrov explaining just what their response would be if NATO insisted in backing them into a corner while attacking Eastern Ukrainian Russian-speakers and moving heavy weaponry to Russia’s Western border. The consequences were anticipated. The neocons in control of U.S. foreign policy simply didn’t care.” [My Emphasis]
I bet they care now that their imagined reality has dumped them out of bed and onto their heads. It appears that they will again do what they’ve always done–double down–and further cripple NATO’s economies. It won’t take very long before the EU’s public starts screaming and marching, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s when Russia further applies the Putin Doctrine and demands the rollback of NATO to its 1997 status, while also offering very reasonable security guarantees or even a completely new structure.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 23:58 utc | 317

@aquadraht #231
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck – it a duck.
Why exactly is depositing physical gold in a bank and then having letters of credit issued – any different than fiat currency?
There is still the significant possibility of fraud, there is still the problem of shifting the physical gold from one bank to another etc etc.
The use case for physical gold is purely as a baseload reserve for a central bank or a Mad Max/about to be homeless last reserve for the individual.
It has no value as a currency except as I outlined above: a way to remove control over currency and the financial system from nation-states.
The nation-states will give that up when people pry it out of their cold, dead hands.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2022 0:02 utc | 318

@ted001 #241
Not every single Russian NG field is connected to the pipelines leading to China or Europe, and not all destinations in Europe have pipelines connected to them (or ever could).
For example: Malta. It is an island. The only way they are going to get natural gas is via an LNG tanker. The same probably applies to small principalities like Monaco, but I’m purely guessing.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2022 0:05 utc | 319

“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.” — George Carlin
I see evidence of that assessment on a regular basis now.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 8 2022 0:09 utc | 320

c1ue | Mar 7 2022 23:58 utc | 317
Thanks for digging that up. It is similar to what I have read in the past. Also the section on refineries being designed for certain grades or weights of crude.
part of refining now I believe if breaking down the longer chains in heavy oils to make lighter oils rather than just distilling the crude. Breaking the heavy oil into lighter oil also increases its volume. But those heavy crudes which some refineries are designed for such as the US refineries that in the last few years have been relying on Urals grade, I believe they can crack the heavy grades down to lighter grades such as diesel.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-26.5068625,142.2869736,8.08z That link will bring up a little town called Eromanga. Normally you get out in the bush like that and fuel is 1 1/2 to 2 times the prices closer to the coast. Out there though, diesel is cheap as chips because they pump the stuff straight out of the ground, no refining required.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 0:15 utc | 321

@296 Oui
Oh, so Putin waited until Trump lost the Election, and what if he won? Can’t offend Trump; to hell with Iran?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 6 2022 6:00 utc | 467
Where are you Arch? Remember that reply you sent me on the Zelensky thread when I wrote what I considered a very favorable comment on Putin, so glowing in fact that my nemesis imposter spoofed it…again and again.
See my #262 here for an example of what I meant by:

I will admit that despite his intelligence, Putin is far from perfect, sometimes ruthless, and has done some questionable things. For this reason I held back on my full support for him.

Who am I, lowly me…how dare I write such a thing?! You accused.
Don’t get me wrong, I am 100% in his corner on his bold move on Ukraine, but I question what he did with Iran.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2022 0:17 utc | 322

Australian lady #301

Here is a great essay by the wonderful Karen Kwiatkowski .
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/03/karen-kwiatkowski/something-we-can-all-agree-on

Thank you for the excellent link. Enjoy your sailing adventures and freedom from covid Karens.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2022 0:25 utc | 323

Sorry Oui, I was wrong, 2016 was when Trump took office.
Still doesn’t explain why Russia waited so long and what happened in Syria with Israel.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2022 0:26 utc | 324

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 23:34 utc | 304
Agreed. As Andrei says today:

Guys, a simple request–and I know, everyone wants to know and have some guidance–but, please, do not expect me to respond to every kind of re-posted twitter by some shithead from some London and Washington’s think-tank or media and debunk their BS. It is physically impossible for me, and suffice it to say that I am on record already–bar some very few exceptions of a professional and objective analysis from Western professionals (i.e. Macgregor, Ritter, Armstrong, Saker et al), the reporting and analyzing Russia’s operation in 404 by US military “experts”, including all those senior and highest ranked officers, disqualifies them completely from being taken seriously and as people who know the subject. No wonder then to see the US war record of the last 75 years. Responding to other “professors” of what have you who spew plain simple ukie propaganda–there is no even need to discuss that. The West is in full blown war against Russia and because of that there is no low and lying they will not stoop to. I already pointed out the main reasons for that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 0:31 utc | 325

Biden has been playing the Ukraine crisis with 2022 mid-term elections in mind. All past US presidents had done that, when domestic politics bad for voting, gone overseas with war crisis. Always worked.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Mar 7 2022 21:06 utc | 211
The sad reality is the much touted American democracy is a farce. Voters trot out to the polls to choose between two teams that are both owned by the American kleptocracy. Which has designed a system so immersed in self interest and corruption the only comparison of worth would be the American gangsters of the prohibition era who too used their ill begotten gains to buy and install government officials who they could control. It’s an American legacy, but not exclusive to America. Lot’s of political leaders elsewhere just as corrupt. Therein lies the dilemma of the commoners.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 8 2022 0:34 utc | 326

Posted by: ptb | Mar 7 2022 23:40 utc | 306
Russia not going to be “picking up the pieces”. Russia will expend some effort setting up a new government in Ukraine. After that, Russia will help Ukraine rebuild its economy by giving it the sort of deal it offered Yanukovich. Russia may also expend some effort otherwise assisting the Ukraine people, since, after all as Putin said, “Russia and Ukraine are one people.”
But there will be no “nation-building” like the US does, and thus there won’t be hundreds of billions wasted on “occupation.” Only the US is that stupid – Russia isn’t.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 0:35 utc | 327

Posted by: Abe | Mar 7 2022 23:41 utc | 307
You’re correct. But still unlikely to explode if hit with an explosive charge. More likely the pieces fly away rather than together. All of this is assuming Ukraine actually had a nuke. I doubt that because otherwise they would have used it already to frame Russia. So the discussion is academic.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 0:37 utc | 328

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 7 2022 23:58 utc | 318 “The neocons in control of U.S. foreign policy simply didn’t care.”
I bet they care now that their imagined reality has dumped them out of bed and onto their heads. It appears that they will again do what they’ve always done–double down–and further cripple NATO’s economies.”
That’s the problem for the rest of us. The neocons never care because they’re never threatened with consequences. We are the ones who get hit with consequences of their actions. Martyanov and others believe that this assault on the EU economies was always the point of the exercise. So why should the neocons care?
The only consequences the neocons care about are: 1) losing influence, and 2) getting shot in the head. Until the latter happens, they’re unlikely to lose influence no matter how bad the economic consequences for the rest of us. Or if they do, it might take years or decades.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 0:44 utc | 329

My Congresscritter sent me a questionnaire about further sanctions on Russia. What follows is my reply to him, and yes I asked for a response:
“The USA signed a series of treaties via its membership in the OSCE that established the principle of indivisible security of ALL signatories, including Russia. Those treaties were then willingly violated by the US Government and its NATO appendage. Furthermore, in 1989 and 1991, it was promised to Russia that after German unification NATO wouldn’t expand one inch to the East–multiple promises that were also violated. In December 2021, Russia finally said NO to the treaty and promise breaking and called out the USA and its NATO appendage for the breaking of the OSCE treaties and promises made to Russia at the highest level. Furthermore, the USA overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014, installed a Neo-Nazi government that precipitated the current Civil War and justifiable intervention by Russia given the refusal of Ukraine at US government insistence that it NOT COMPLY with UNSCR 2022 that the USG voted for in 2015 along with the Cultural Genocidal conditions being promoted with the ACTIVE ASSISTANCE by the USG.
“As you can see, I’m very well informed as to the FACTS of the matter, and call for you to cease your lies about Russia and debilitating efforts at illegally sanctioning Russia that has dire economic costs for US citizens. As ought to becoming very clear, Russia will establish its own security parameters along the lines of what was once agreed to the broken by the Collective West–NATO will not be allowed to abut Russia’s borders, nor will Russia allow the presence of Neo-Nazis inside Ukraine: Nor should you or any other Morally Correct person support Neo-Nazism anywhere on the planet. All your suggestions on the questionnaire provided are 100% self-defeating and wrong.”
If I get anything other than a machine reply, I’ll post it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 8 2022 0:48 utc | 330

Ukraine wouldn’t seem to be a good place for Lithium, it’s usually found in Mountain shadow deserts, Chile has massive known reserves and Utah and even Australia would seem more promising than Ukraine

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 8 2022 0:49 utc | 331

@Peter AU1 #322
Refining started by just boiling crude oil to distill out the various weights of hydrocarbons; I previously posted a link which talked about how they use fractional distillation towers instead now.
The cracking concept isn’t new; I think what is new are the catalytic cracking capabilities which new refineries can have.
What is not clear to me is just how much of various grades of oil, are composed of these super large hydrocarbon molecules and how much cracking actually produces. Is it 5%? 20%? of crude? Does cracking yield 25% “good” hydrocarbons? 50%? The details are probably important.
My suspicion is that the difference isn’t really that high since the “cheap” crude grades (i.e heavy, sour) are not that significantly cheaper than the good “light sweet” stuff.
Anyway, my main takeaway from this dive is that oil is oil, more or less. The differences don’t really matter that much these days due to the interconnectedness of the world oil ecosystem.
What matters is if there isn’t enough raw material going in – then prices for the outputs are going to jump.
And that’s what we are seeing now.
What is further interesting is that the lockdowns of 2020 did not significantly decrease carbon emissions despite a cessation of almost all economic activity: restaurants, entertainment, travel for fun, travel to work, etc – and in turn, this commodity supercycle is showing that the possibility of net zero without enormous societal commitments is a fantasy.
Paying as much for 1 month of utilities as was previously paid in 1 year – despite a 180 billion euro Energiewende renewable policy in Germany ought to be a wakeup call.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 8 2022 0:50 utc | 332

Posted by: reante | Mar 7 2022 19:50 utc | 476
Well the answer is what was Shane Warnes last meal (according to some news reports)

Posted by: watcher | Mar 8 2022 0:51 utc | 333

c1ue | Mar 8 2022 0:05 utc | 320

Underwater arteries – the world’s longest offshore pipelines
From the 1,224km Nord Stream pipeline carrying Russian natural gas to Europe …

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 8 2022 0:52 utc | 334

The chart is interesting but it leaves off gold. Russia produces 10% of the world’s gold, versus US about 6%, so maybe it isn’t significant enough for the chart, but gold has special significance when we are going through a once in a lifetime abandonment of the dollar.

Posted by: RootBier | Mar 8 2022 0:52 utc | 335

It is a major error to believe the lies told by the west about the state of governance prior to the nazis moves into western & middle europe. ‘Abe'(#21 & #30) incorrectly claims that Germany had the only rabid right wing (fascist) government, when apart from France which was ruled by social democrats I.E. a neoliberal government in current terminology, virtually every other euro government was either a right wing monarchy or a fascist ‘democracy turned dictatorship’. If others have called Abe out on this I apologise because after the second post erronously claiming pre-war europe was a heaven of peaceful tolerance I could continue without posting my disagreement.
Following the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian empire, aristos supported by the remnants of the military officer class instituted fascist police states across europe because they were terrified of revolution. In many ways Austria’s pre-Anschluss government was even more anti-semitic than the nazis, but it wasn’t the nazi party which A. Hitler & co could not tolerate so they funded & ran a nazi insurgency (similar to the current amerikan colour revolutions), in Austria. The leaders of the non- nazi euro parties in Austria, Czechoslovakia et al, were all tossed into concentration camps not over ideological differences but for being the competition.
The Iron Guard deposed the monarchy in Romania, in 1920 Hungary the extremely antisemitic fascist Admiral Horthy used the officer class and rural peasants to depose the communist government and install himself as ‘regent’ claiming the nation was still a monarchy yet he prevented Charles I of Hungary (and the last king of Austria)from taking the throne.
I could go on and list the fascist governments of pre WW2 europe one by one but people who are interested would do better to look it up themselves using instruments they trust.
Although all europe’s history of imperialism has fertilized this fascism, the roots go much deeper.
Suffice to say that europe has fallen victim to the selfish interests of its elite for more than a 1000 years whenever life becomes edgy. That is how/why so many fled europe for amerika for the last 200 years, trouble is they didn’t recognise the fatal flaw, that their early indoctrination into individualism & against gathering together in solidarity to resist exploitation by the powerful would travel across the Atlantic with them, thereby encouraging the most oppressive & uncaring administration the world has yet seen. Look how even here we get amerikans still decrying ‘the state’ when in a functioning society where decisions are made by all those close to whatever issue, the people are the state.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 8 2022 0:53 utc | 336

@328 Richard Steven Hack
Re: picking up pieces
I don’t want to argue, but humor me here, let’s look at one of the many maps. Take the details with as much or as little grain of salt as you like, but the picture it paints should be clear. Right hand side. All those light blue units, the would-be battle force that was built up by Ukr for re-fighting LNR/DNR – they are most all located inside DNR’s declared borders.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 8 2022 0:55 utc | 337

Latest from The Saker…
https://thesaker.is/major-military-and-political-developments-and-major-risks-next/

In fact, let me rephrase my question this way: is it at all possible that this war can end without a direct military confrontation between NATO and Russia, keeping in mind that NATO cannot win and NATO cannot accept defeat?
Sadly, I don’t think so anymore, that kind of folly is a direct consequence of the Western PSYOPs which have convinced the folks in the West of two crucial things: 1) Russia cannot win and 2) Putin is bluffing.
I think that the folks in the Pentagon are smart enough to know that this is all bull, but the Eurorodents inside NATO and the EU?
Wouldn’t a military/political defeat of NATO in Banderastan not risk bringing down NATO as an organization?
Again, please tell me that I am wrong, but I don’t see how this war can stop before Russia shows NATO that nobody in Russia is bluffing and that any NATO country dumb enough to test that will be the target of missile strikes.
So, militarily, this war is pretty much over.
The future of a min-Banderastan is impossible for me to guess.
But I am seriously concerned that this war might expand and directly involve NATO/EU countries.
And it might involve nuclear strikes by either/both sides.
So, please tell me I am wrong and that the West does still have enough brains to step back from this abyss?
Does it?
Andrei

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 0:55 utc | 338

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 8 2022 0:48 utc | 331
Good luck with that. 🙂

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 0:56 utc | 339

they’re unlikely to lose influence no matter how bad the economic consequences for the rest of us. Or if they do, it might take years or decades.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 0:44 utc | 330
This seems to me to be very true. The neocon ideology of constant interventionism and aggression on behalf of Zionism and, relatedly, Atlanticism, corresponds perfectly with the desire of the MIC for constant military expenditures in the form of more upgrades and procurements. For this reason, even if it can be shown that neocon foreign policy objectively harms the public interest of the United States, it will not make much difference. The foreign policy apparatus of the United States does not exist to serve the country, but rather the arms manufacturers and other elements of big industry. As long as they are kept happy by a neocon policy of aggressive interventionism, the neocons will continue to flourish. To stop the neocons, somebody will need to go after the corrupt capture of the US government by the MIC itself….and live to tell the tale.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 8 2022 0:58 utc | 340

Posted by: ptb | Mar 8 2022 0:55 utc | 338
Your point escapes me. Were you not talking about what happens after the war? Not currently? What has the military pieces in eastern Ukraine now have to do with anything happening after the war?
Try to more explicit and less clever.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 1:00 utc | 341

Behind closed doors, is history repeating itself?
https://johnmenadue.com/defeat-of-ukraine-may-leave-australia-like-a-shag-on-a-rock/

Posted by: Paul | Mar 8 2022 1:01 utc | 342

ScottinDallas | Mar 8 2022 0:49 utc | 332
The minerals that are often found in evaporative deposits are also found in some underground brines.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 1:03 utc | 343

We need proof??
Since when are we a courtroom?? Commentators in this bar provide LINKS – make your own conclusions.
DYODD.
By Ariochs standard, Jesus Ghengis, and Napolean can’t be proven to exist either
I don’t know… does Arioch exist?? PROVE IT!!

Posted by: Les7 | Mar 8 2022 1:05 utc | 344

Posted by: WJ | Mar 8 2022 0:58 utc | 341
Correct. Of course, one could argue that if the US economy collapses as a result of the neocons imposition of sanctions on Russia, then eventually even the MIC might suffer the effects. However, as long as the US government continues to collect taxes and turns those taxes into weapons, thus funding the MIC, I don’t see how even the MIC might complain about the effects of the sanctions. The only way that stops is if somehow the US electorate gets a clue, fires all the corrupt Congress paid for by the MIC, and puts in new people who have a clue.
The kicker in that scenario is: “the US electorate gets a clue.” As I like to say, “That ain’t gonna happen.” A hundred years of US brainwashing insures that is true.
It basically boils down to everyone is following their self-interest and any consequential damages on anyone else are ignored. And the US electorate literally is mentally incapable of understanding what is going on. All these “populist uprisings” people talk about are either deluded, or unable to seriously affect the actual US government, i.e,, the Deep State, that actually runs things, or will end up putting in someone worse, probably some Nazi-like dictator.
As you might tell, I have zero sympathy for anyone who thinks there is a “way out” from this mess. There isn’t. As I’ve said many times, the US will only be solved by one or both of the following: 1) a major economic collapse, probably greater than the Great Depression, and/or 2) a major military defeat – and by defeat, I mean not just withdrawing from some conflict, but the loss of a major portion of US military assets.
So like The Saker says above, it’s likely the US is going to have to get “punched in the face”, as Tyson said, before they realize their plans aren’t working.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 1:08 utc | 345

Posted by: Les7 | Mar 8 2022 1:05 utc | 345
I did make my own conclusions.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 1:09 utc | 346

@4 Republicofscotland Scottie From Marketing is desperate to run the next election on a “Yellow Peril!!!” platform.
It is all he has left, and if it doesn’t work then he and his government are toast.
All Albo has to do is respond to every question with “It’s the economy, stupid” and he will waltz into The Lodge.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 8 2022 1:10 utc | 347

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 1:08 utc | 346
A hundred years of US brainwashing insures that is true.
of course. try telling an american they can alleviate inflation by sharing. make your gas go twice as far by putting another person in your car, when going to the store.
crickets. americans are actually desperate for annihilation.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2022 1:12 utc | 348

@100 A10Warthog What? And undo all the work of portraying “invasions” as being something that Civilized Countries Do Not Do.
Well, OK, sure, the USA invades countries all the time, sure, they do.
But it usually doesn’t invade a country at the same time as it is busy demonizing its Current Geopolitical Rival for invading another country.
Rather undermines the message….

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 8 2022 1:13 utc | 349

RSH @340–
Thanks. I’m sure it will shock the first person who reads it then deletes it, but I needed to write it. However, it does point to the fact that as Hudson said and Nader said before him, there needs to be a big political brawl within the Outlaw US Empire aimed at dethroning the Duopoly. And that’s where Hudson had trouble at the end of his essay as the neocons infest both factions–There is no America First political party at the national level, although in several states there’s a Working Families Party that’s on the rise.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 8 2022 1:17 utc | 350

@ karlof1 | Mar 8 2022 0:48 utc | 331 with the response to congresscritter
Is Defasio your Rep? They know better than to send me a questionnaire about further sanctions on Russia. I was the guy wandering around the press gathering with my I Support Public Banking sign the last time Defasio was in town and one of his staff came over to check me out…I gave him my card….I am a known entity.
Defasio is leaving at the end of this term after forever and so the seat may be competitive for a bit again between fascist red or fascist blue.
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@ Debsisdead | Mar 8 2022 0:53 utc | 337 who wrote
“….
Although all europe’s history of imperialism has fertilized this fascism, the roots go much deeper.
Suffice to say that europe has fallen victim to the selfish interests of its elite for more than a 1000 years whenever life becomes edgy. That is how/why so many fled europe for amerika for the last 200 years, trouble is they didn’t recognise the fatal flaw, that their early indoctrination into individualism & against gathering together in solidarity to resist exploitation by the powerful would travel across the Atlantic with them, thereby encouraging the most oppressive & uncaring administration the world has yet seen.
….

Thanks for that….worth repeating.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 1:19 utc | 351

c1ue | Mar 8 2022 0:50 utc | 333
I did look into the recovery a bit when I was researching it and it seemed quite good. I don’t remember the details now. Any sour oil is a bit cheaper because sulfur has to be removed. I did work out the increase in volume by comparing the weight of say petrol, jet A1, and diesel to the weight of a heavy crude. I think the increase in volume was around the 10 to 20% depending on what weight of fuel it was broken down into, but also the weight of the crude affects that a lot.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 1:19 utc | 352

@ 301; Big difference between Trump and Putin. IMO Putin is responding to legitimate security concerns that were not responded to by the empire/NATO.Think he is concerned about his nation.
D J. Trump, on the other hand, IMO, is a narcissistic grifter, who never cared for anything, or anyone else, but his personal wealth and comfort.

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 8 2022 1:24 utc | 353

Maduro has a marvelous opportunity to really stick it to Washington.
He should hold a press conference and announce that Venezuela is willing to sell the USA all the oil it wants, no problem.
The only caveat? He refuses to accept $US. Washington will have to pay for it in Russian rubles.
No rubles, no oil.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 8 2022 1:28 utc | 354

psychohistorian @352–
No, it’s Schraeder, a turncoat to the needs of the people and friend of Neoliberals and their policies. The email was an auto-generated type, but I replied via his office. IMO, we’re back in the period of willful blindness that existed from 1948-1953.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 8 2022 1:30 utc | 355

Agreed. We need REAL evidence.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2022 23:07 utc | 280
we got your point but there is no need to shut down the discussion!
1. Since when does proof matter or made a bit of difference to the actions of the PTB?
2. The proof you are requiring will be far too late to save anyone from whatever is being concocted.
3. Good science always by necessity begins with “speculation” and asking questions that as yet have no answer.

Posted by: K | Mar 8 2022 1:31 utc | 356

I won’t provide a link but there is a posting in the Intertubes on a fascist blue site reporting about someone important to fascist red saying the Mastercard cutting off the Russians is a test case for cutting off fascist red types….can’t make this up…eating their own.
In another article in fascist blue land there is a graphic of someone cutting off the head of what looks like Hitler and headline like bringing a knife to a gun fight or such. The disconnect of these folks calling Putin Hitler but supporting neo nazi’s is breathtaking…..the brainwashing runs deep.
I hope the information about the 11 empire funded bio-whatever facilities in Ukraine wakes up a few more of the zombies.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 1:32 utc | 357

It is difficult to understand what is going on until one realizes that Biden’s approval numbers have shot back up, his “handling” of the Ukraine situation by 18% according to the NPR poll.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Mar 8 2022 1:32 utc | 358

@ Jonathan W | Mar 8 2022 1:32 utc | 359
That won’t last — as long as gas and supermarket prices are the only thing going “boom!”

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 8 2022 1:38 utc | 359

In the minutest of ways, like that butterfly across the ocean that starts the breeze blowing, we here at the bar are trying to help.
Posted by: juliania | Mar 7 2022 18:24 utc | 117
That is a beautiful image, juliania…

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Mar 8 2022 1:38 utc | 360

Posted by ScottinDallas @332 & PeterAU1 @ 334
I posted about this back in January:
Paul on The MoA Week In Review – OT 2022-009
Australian publicly listed company, European Lithium, has announced: European Lithium has agreed to purchase Petro Consulting, a Ukrainian company that is applying for special permits to extract and process lithium from two lithium project
Comment by Paul | January 31, 2022 at 08:49 | Permalink
Peter, there are at least 3 sources of lithium. Hard rock, see PBL [ASX] Brine, see AKE [ASX] and Ionic, see iTech {ASX] in South Australia.

Posted by: Paul | Mar 8 2022 1:39 utc | 361

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in an interview on 7 Mar 2022 that Russia’s surrender demands for Ukraine are: Ukraine shall enshrine military neutrality in its Constitution, shall acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and shall recognize the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics (my source). These terms are reasonable in the circumstances, all things considered, provided that no unstated additional terms are hanging around in the background. These are clear terms. What Ukraine loses by these terms is the parts of Donetsk & Lugansk that Ukraine was in possession of before Russia’s invasion. Ukraine has nothing further to lose by accepting these terms, since Crimea and Donetsk & Lugansk were gone already, and the military neutrality in foreign affairs is a painless thing in practice. We will be seeing how long it takes the Ukrainians to swallow their pride and climb down and surrender on these terms. The longer they balk at climing down, the more they inflict forlorn futilities on themselves.

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 8 2022 1:42 utc | 362

The State Department really is run by talentless fools
Washington spends decades demonizing both Iran and Venezuela, and then thinks that they will jump at the chance to replace Russia as the supplier of oil to the USA.
Wish-fulfillment as policy. Beyond bizarre.
Not only that but b’s point is well taken: the “new” JCPOA deal hinges on Russia supplying nuclear fuel to Iran rather than Iran making its own nuclear fuel.
Well, helloooooooooo.
Washington is in the position of sanctioning that trade at the same time as it agreeing to that trade.
Blinkin: they “just are not in any way linked together, so I think that’s irrelevant,”
Anthony, baby, you are a blithering idiot.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 8 2022 1:44 utc | 363

@ Jonathan W | Mar 8 2022 1:32 utc | 359 who says Biden is driven by mid term election approval numbers
The (s)election is in November and it is early March.
Do you think that (N)PR poll is enough justification for Biden to nuke Russia or China?
Biden and his puppet masters are no longer driving the bus alone and it is yet to be seen how the bus will be driven in the future. That said, I firmly believe that the puppet masters will not drive the bus alone again……and there is only one spaceship Earth.
I believe that the Hollywood movie curtain hiding the top/bottom God of Mammon cult form of social organization is being rent and exposure of their crimes against humanity driven into the public consciousness….its about time, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 1:47 utc | 364

@363 Oleg Lobotosad
It would save a lot of senseless bloodshed. Unfortunately, neutrality is the position that’s most easily sabotaged in these situations.
Even more disturbingly, in order to agree to any kind of terms, officials in the Zelensky government, including Ze himself, would first have to figure out how to avoid getting arrested and possibly even executed by the ultra-nationalists in the SBU.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 8 2022 1:53 utc | 365

I just love the boomerang effect. When the domfoq orange man left the Iran deal, he and his minions didn’t realize that one day they will have to crawl back on their knees and ask Iran to help ease fuel prices/shortages.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 8 2022 1:59 utc | 366

John Mearsheimer has an excellent lecture about the hegemony of liberal democratic thinking in international relations. He has given the same basic lecture since 2015 many times, in many different venues, with minor alterations to it. The following is a version of it that was uploaded to youtube on 20 Feb 2020. It is 1 hour and 20 minutes long and you cannot skip, jump or skim through without losing the thread and fabric of his argument :
https://youtu.be/nZVIaXFN2lU?t=317

Posted by: Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 8 2022 1:59 utc | 367

Russia is killing %70 of their babies through abortions and their divorce rates are through the roof. What kind of conservative society does this ? You have a very strange definition of “conservative” society.

Posted by: Ara | Mar 8 2022 2:05 utc | 368

thanks b…. 370 posts later…. some of us aren’t keeping up~!
to lessen the number of posts, please desist in responding to bozos and the braindead…. 10 or more posts in response to allen? what a waste…. don’t bother with ara either…
@ Russell Kirk | Mar 7 2022 21:25 utc | 218… your speculation is pretty whacked out… perhaps if the usa wants venezuala oil, they can start by returning the gold… until then, maduro would have to be an idiot to give anything to the usa…

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2022 2:13 utc | 369

FM #Lavrov: The goal of Russia’s special military operation is to stop any war that could take place on Ukrainian territory or that could start from there.
i guess nato and the west will have to find another sucker…

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2022 2:16 utc | 370

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67936
Vladimir Putin laid out Russia’s position regarding the ongoing military operation to protect the Donbass republics.
The parties had a substantive discussion on the humanitarian aspects of the current situation. Vladimir Putin stressed, in particular, that the Russian military take all possible steps to save civilians’ lives. The main threat is coming from the nationalist formations, which, in fact, use terrorist tactics, hiding behind the civilian population.
The President underscored that the Russian Armed Forces had declared a ceasefire several times so as to evacuate the population along humanitarian corridors. However, Ukrainian nationalist battalions prevented this by resorting to violence against civilians and various provocations. The Russian president urged the EU to make a real contribution to saving lives, to put pressure on the Kiev authorities and make them respect humanitarian law.
Vladimir Putin also gave an assessment of the negotiations with Kiev representatives and reiterated Russia’s demands made earlier.

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2022 2:17 utc | 371

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67934
The leaders continued discussing the situation in connection with the special military operation for the protection of Donbass and, in particular, the evacuation of Indian nationals.
Vladimir Putin informed the Indian Prime Minister that the Russian Armed Forces had declared a ceasefire and opened humanitarian corridors in view of the worsening humanitarian situation. Meanwhile, nationalist formations continue to create obstacles to the peaceful evacuation of civilians, including foreign nationals, from the combat areas by resorting to crude force and various provocations.
He drew attention to the fact that the Indian students, who were held hostage by radicals in Kharkov, managed to leave the city only after strong international pressure was exerted on Kiev. Russian military personnel are doing their best to evacuate Indian citizens from Sumy. Narendra Modi expressed gratitude to the Russian side for the efforts being taken to return his compatriots home.
Vladimir Putin, at the request of the Indian Prime Minister, gave an assessment of the Russian delegation’s series of discussions with Ukrainian representatives, the third round of which is scheduled for today.
Narendra Modi expressed readiness to render any assistance possible to achieve an early resolution of the conflict.

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2022 2:19 utc | 372

i just said to a friend of mine, with whom i’ve arguing about this crap since forever, that a country that just fled Afghanistan is not about to defeat Russia.
finally. finally. he admitted something was up.
Americans are not prepared for defeat. why the hell not? cuz they are not paying attention.
a 3 year old could defeat Biden in a closed cage death match. just run away from biden, let him fall asleep, then lay on top of him, while he drools and wets his depends. make sure he’s asleep though, cuz…you know…it’s hard for young jedis to learn patience. but the fight would be lucky to finish the 1st round. we are most definitely dealing with morons here.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2022 2:21 utc | 373

@ rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2022 2:21 utc | 374… good first line!

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2022 2:26 utc | 374

@ Oleg Lobotosad | Mar 8 2022 1:42 utc | 363 with the Russia/Ukraine part of Russian security demands
Thanks for that and I agree that it seems quite reasonable.
The tougher nut is going to be Poland, IMO and that is next because it is also being used currently as a staging area for feeding “weapons” into Ukraine to fight Russia. Many are it total denial that this is part of the military action that has yet to come or a solution offer to Russian security requirements.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 2:26 utc | 375

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2022 0:17 utc | 323
I’m here, trying to remain gainfully employed and distracted at the same time.

Who am I, lowly me…how dare I write such a thing?! You accused.
Don’t get me wrong, I am 100% in his corner on his bold move on Ukraine, but I question what he did with Iran.

As with much of what I say, this was not completely articulated and as rigorously stated as could be. To elabourate:
It’s not that you or anyone else has no business criticising Putin’s “game” it’s that the man has such an exceptional record for handling chaos than one can safely state that no public figure in a position of power or on this forum has demonstrated that same level of strategic and tactical skill. It stands to reason that criticism has to come with qualification – i.e a clear analysis of exactly where he went wrong and why.
You claim that his actions re Iran in Syria were evidence of defective strategy/technique/tactics, however this is far from clear, and there appears to be a countering tactical reason for each.
Let’s examine for example:
#1

Another thing that really bothered me was Russia not making good on promises to deliver S-300 missile defense systems to Iran.

– It is clear from Iran’s recent responses to American, Israeli and other provocations that they are not in need of S300 systems. They have demonstrated the capability to strike any target with precision within the gulf region (Global Hawk takedown, Ain Al Assad base etc …). That offensive capability and the presence of hardened underground “missile cities” is a deterrent capability in itself.
– Further, their recently developed missile systems compete with S300 systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavar-373 … Why risk the definitely trojaned and infiltrated Russian missile systems for which Russia, or CIA/Mossad operatives within the Russian hierarchy may have the backdoor keys?
(It is certain that israeli specialists have access to Russian military systems by one avenue or another, so why should Iran expose themselves to that?)
Given this, what’s the rush to get s300 to Iran?
#2

Now, at the 11th hour, Russia makes demands in regards to the JCPOA that could kill the deal.

This is not a demand. In fact, Russia is covering Iran’s ass on this, without being asked.
It is a requirement that Russia take part in the processing of fuel on behalf of Iran, what happens if the JCPOA is pushed through and a major participant – *A MAJOR TRUST PARTY* -of the deal is no longer able to take part anymore? Leaving Iran as a sheep surrounded by wolves?
You can already see the JCPOA being weakened by weakening one of it’s major participants. This was part of the plan all along!
I only hope the Iranians realise that Russia has just stopped them from rushing headlong into getting screwed all over again!
#3

Iran suffered greatly for too long from Trump’s sanctions. It’s enough. They must be lifted. If anyone should understand how much Iran suffered; it’s Putin, as now Russia is being subjected to same.

Do you seriously think the US has any intention of easing sanctions?
The US is incapable of easing the impact of sanctions for the next decade – even with the deal signed today.
Further, the US is incapable of guaranteeing the JCPOA beyond the remainder of Biden’s term!
Has the JCPOA been given the force of a Treaty yet? No? Then the Iranians are engaged in self deception and they need to realise that even if the JCPOA is signed it is meaningless!
By the time the JCPOA begins to show even a glimmer of benefit, a new government will be in place in Washington and the deal will be scrapped.
That’s not even factoring in the next sabotage event from israel …
I’m sure Putin has factored this into his calculus.
#4

I stated at the time that Russians and Iranians were fighting side by side and that Russia should stop acting like a fair-weathered friend. And it’s serious because Iran suffered casualties at the time from Israeli strikes.

It has never been clear what casualties the Iranians suffered in Syria any more than Russian casualties.
It is evident the Iranians are making extensive use of decoys – the israelis are mostly striking these.
Most “Iranian” casualties are described as casualties of “Iran backed militias” … Not Iranians per se.
Despite 7+ years of ‘casualties’ it doesn’t seem to have impacted Iran’s presence in Syria.
As for “fair weather friends” and “fighting side by side” – This does not appear to have been the agreement between Iran and Russia: They each went in to defend their own interests independently, working together where their interests coincide.
Note that there is often as much danger in collaboration as in independent operation – perhaps it is better this way ?
#5

Putin had pull with Netanyahu, and could have used some leverage to keep him at bay.

I suspect that in fact Putin has been using his leverage with israel, judging by the absolute futility of the israeli strikes.
Ever notice that the israelis never engaged in a full scale assault of Damascus and on Assad’s headquarters itself after the initial attempt many years ago?
#6

On the other issue, I really don’t understand why he held back on sending Iran the missile defense.

As above – the Iranians don’t need any defense from Russia.
Further, their offensive capabilities are a defense in themselves, they can cover the entire middle east if needed. That is why neither the USA nor israel has dared to conduct a single missile strike on Iranian territory.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 8 2022 2:31 utc | 376

Just rung my sister to warn her the economy might not be so good in the near future. All she could blather on about was how bad Putin was for invading poor little Ukraine and killing the civilians there. I wonder why I fucking bother.
Soviet style collapse and Russian 90’s hard time is very much required in the western world to wake people up to the shit they are being fed. I had sent links to the history of the OUN up till present day but she hadn’t bothered to look at them. Preferred staring at the tee vee.
Putin in one of his recent responses or speeches said the current sanctions are warfare. I hope Russia responds in kind with the aim of crashing the western economies. Only then might people start looking past the propaganda and understand how much destruction we have brought on the non US world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 2:31 utc | 377

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 8 2022 1:17 utc | 351
“several states there’s a Working Families Party that’s on the rise.”
And Jimmy Dore keeps promoting The People’s Party. All I can say about that is, “Good luck with that.” If any party gets to the point where it becomes a threat, they will manipulate the laws and the voting rules to eliminate them. Or just ban then as “terrorists” or “white supremacists” or whatever…

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 2:38 utc | 378

Posted by: K | Mar 8 2022 1:31 utc | 357
“we got your point but there is no need to shut down the discussion!”
Where did I advocate that? I’m saying produce real evidence, not “connect the dots” evidence.
“1. Since when does proof matter or made a bit of difference to the actions of the PTB?”
Never. Do we want to emulate them? Well, I might – but that’s just me. 🙂
“2. The proof you are requiring will be far too late to save anyone from whatever is being concocted.”
Exactly. Look, the only people in a position to stop anything of this sort in Eastern Europe is Russia. So they have to produce PROOF that they can take to the UN. Until that happens, nothing will be done. So “virtue signaling” isn’t helping.
“3. Good science always by necessity begins with “speculation” and asking questions that as yet have no answer.”
Of course. Where did I disagree with that? I said the evidence is “suspicious” and that I hope the Russians produce something better than they have so far. So far it’s just assertions and some documents that do NOT PROVE weaponization.
As I said. people keep trying to skirt around the distinction between “connect the dots” evidence, “real” evidence, and proof. Again, this is basic law AND basic science.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 2:44 utc | 379

“Not only that but b’s point is well taken: the “new” JCPOA deal hinges on Russia supplying nuclear fuel to Iran rather than Iran making its own nuclear fuel.”


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 8 2022 1:44 utc | 364
Minor correction Yeah, Right: It’s not about Russia providing nuclear fuel to Iran. It is about Russia processing/accepting the extra nuclear fuel that Iran currently posesses.
Major difference. Iran gets to keep enriching, something it never gave up.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 8 2022 2:44 utc | 380

@ Yeah, Right | Mar 8 2022 1:44 utc | 364 who wrote about Blinken

Wish-fulfillment as policy. Beyond bizarre.
Not only that but b’s point is well taken: the “new” JCPOA deal hinges on Russia supplying nuclear fuel to Iran rather than Iran making its own nuclear fuel.
Well, helloooooooooo.
Washington is in the position of sanctioning that trade at the same time as it agreeing to that trade.
Blinkin: they “just are not in any way linked together, so I think that’s irrelevant,”
Anthony, baby, you are a blithering idiot.

Thanks for the update on empire hypocrisy……the shit show continues until it doesn’t.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 2:45 utc | 381

james | Mar 8 2022 2:13 utc | 370
It’s hard to catch upon comments these days if arriving late. A few threads I was a few hours late on I didn’t get to read all the comments.
Thanks for the Putin quotes. Connecting with Russian government sites is very up and down here and when they’re up they are very slow.
I’m starting to get a bit of respect for Modi, I guess that started back with the Galwan valley incident.
BRICKS I thought was dead and gone but that seems to be back in play.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 2:46 utc | 382

Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 2:46 utc | 383 “BRICKS…”… BRICS

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 2:47 utc | 383

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 1:32 utc | 358
“I hope the information about the 11 empire funded bio-whatever facilities in Ukraine wakes up a few more of the zombies.”
Not after the MSM gets through massaging it. There is only once chance that works: Russia shows China the evidence, and Russia and China bring it to the UNSC.
And then the US vetoes any Resolution proposed or investigation proposed. Look at how often Israel has skated the UN.
I would like to see proof of this US project proven. It would be one more reason for me to hate this country’s government – not that I need one. I just don’t think it will go anywhere. It might in the rest of the world – but unless it results in concrete action against the US BY the rest of the world, it goes nowhere. It certainly goes nowhere in the US, by definition.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 2:48 utc | 384

Posted by: Jonathan W | Mar 8 2022 1:32 utc | 359
What happens when the recession hits? When the food prices go up another 20% (minimum predicted, more like 50%)? What happens when Russia finally wins this and the US and NATO look like toothless idiots (assuming The Saker isn’t right and NATO intervenes precisely to avoid that outcome)? And then the Republicans start tearing into Biden for no imposing a no-fly zone and all the other idiocy being proposed>
Biden is toast. So are the Democrats in the mid-terms and in 2024 – unless the run Tulsi Gabbard – and “That Ain’t Gonna Happen.”
Meanwhile, Putin’s rating have shot up as well. Russian, being better educated about histoty, understand this stuff.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 2:53 utc | 385

Posted by: james | Mar 8 2022 2:13 utc | 370
“to lessen the number of posts, please desist in responding to bozos and the braindead”
You’re right. I’m very guilty of that. But sometimes if you don’t, they keep coming back and then others get stimulated to agree, and the next you know a whole slew of people don’t get it. It’s important to be factually correct even if it’s a waste of time.
That doesn’t apply to outright trolls, of course. It’s hard sometimes to distinguish. Someone said earlier something about “soft trolls”. That’s a good point. Some trolls come in passive-aggressive, or “concern trolling”: “Gee, Russia could really be in trouble here…” Sometimes the concern is real, sometimes its not.
I prefer to respond only to people trying to make an actual point, either in agreement or in disagreement. That’s what we’re here for – to get the point.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 3:00 utc | 386

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2022 2:21 utc | 374
That whole image cracked me up. LOL Well done.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 3:03 utc | 387

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 2:53 utc | 386
“Meanwhile, Putin’s rating have shot up as well. Russian, being better educated about histoty, understand this stuff.”
Total destruction of history in the west because it does not match with the goodness propaganda and various other faggotry being promoted.
“Putin’s rating have shot up as well.”
Yankistan/anglostan made the mistake of allowing their propaganda to be seen in Russia. Putin’s ratings were only starting to sink because he wasn’t giving the yanks the middle finger salute.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 3:08 utc | 388

a 3 year old could defeat Biden in a closed cage death match. just run away from biden, let him fall asleep, then lay on top of him, while he drools and wets his depends. make sure he’s asleep though, cuz…you know… [snip]
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2022 2:21 utc | 374

For the sake of the 3-year-old, I just hope the kid is a boy, because . . . well, you know . . .

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 8 2022 3:13 utc | 389

Some bloke their interviewing “young” ladies changing their currency to Russian Rubles…
Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 7 2022 21:27 utc | 220
Those ladies can be found here if anybody would like to meet them.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 8 2022 3:15 utc | 390

malenkov | Mar 8 2022 3:13 utc | 390
I doubt a boy would be safe in that respect as slobbering Joe may not be able to distinguish between a boy or a girl. But then it most likely wouldn’t bother him which it was.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 3:17 utc | 391

Posted by: Circe | Mar 8 2022 0:17 utc | 323
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 8 2022 2:31 utc | 377
People keep talking about S-300 deliveries to Iran. They were delivered in 2016 – late, but they were delivered.
Russia Completes S-300 Delivery to Iran
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2016-11/news-briefs/russia-completes-s-300-delivery-iran
Russia pledges to continue weapons sales to Iran
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/moscow-pledges-to-continue-weapons-sales-to-tehran-644722
This article says Russia might not sell the weapons because it might “damage relations with the West”. Well, that’s no longer relevant!
Russia keeps Iran waiting on advanced weapons
https://asiatimes.com/2022/01/russia-keeps-iran-waiting-on-advanced-weapons/
In every aspect, you’re correct. Russia considers Iran an “ally”, but only so far as it does not get in the way of Russia’s interests. Now that the West is trying to kill Russia, expect Russia to open the flood gates to Iran, selling them whatever they want.
Russia has a complicated relationship with Israel, however, and is not interested in stepping up a conflict in the Middle East. OTOH, Russian is now conducting joint patrols with Syria aircraft to deter Israeli aggression and has stationed Russian forces in Latakia to deter Israel from its missile strikes. So Russia appears to be taking a slightly harder line with Israel than before, but on the down low.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 3:18 utc | 392

Below is a quote from a Reuters piece about the “latest”

LVIV/IRPIN, Ukraine, March 7 (Reuters) – A Western ban on Russian oil imports may more than double the price to $300 a barrel and prompt the closure of the main gas pipeline to Germany, Moscow warned on Monday, as talks on Ukraine hardly advanced amid efforts to agree on civilian safe passage.

What I would hate most about $300 a barrel oil is the boost it would give to fracking….sigh

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 3:21 utc | 393

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 7 2022 18:53 utc | 128
The existence of these 30 (!) labs/centers in Ukraine does indeed raise suspicions, though, as you say, that is not proof of what the Russians are implying. But it does beg a number of questions.
1) why so many separate locations, in one country? Why not create an institute in one location, that can coordinate the research and maximize economy of scale for scientific research? Do they publish the results of their research and share their discoveries with the scientific community at large to aid in the nullification of the efficacy of bio weapons, which would make the pursuit of these WMA moot? I.E. if everyone has “the cure” what’s the point of pursuing these weapons?
2) why so many of these centers globally? We have heard that there are similar bio labs surrounding Russia and China; in Georgia, “the Stans,” and I have a first person account of one in Peru even; I would bet there are more. But specifically to the area of Eurasia, why locate these labs geographically surrounding the USA’s adversaries, All conducting the same kind of research, why the redundancy? Why the global dispersion? Why not conduct that research in the US itself? Could it be because of treaty obligations, and therefore the need for plausible deniability? Or that, coupled with ease of deployment vs the adversaries?
3) Why did the US insist on no enforcement mechanism when entering into the treaty on banning bio weapons?
4) Why were the Ukrainians given the orders to sanitize the projects If it was just innocent research?
My overall point is that circumstantially it does look really bad for the US. There’s no smoking gun yet, but I do hope the Russians find one; will probably come in the form of interrogations. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

Posted by: Scuppers | Mar 8 2022 3:22 utc | 394

Putin’s ratings were only starting to sink because he wasn’t giving the yanks the middle finger salute.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 3:08 utc | 389
That’s exactly why the west have been so wrong for so long on russia and China. They keep getting their info from dissidents and 5th column libtards within the countries. All they get are echos.
They failed to understanding the majority of the population don’t have chalets on the alps, super yachts nor needs to fly into Paris to shop for French handbags.
The core population are not stupid either, they are all highschool educated or better. They know they’ve been trampled, treated like trash and ridiculed at every turn by the west.
Go on, more sanctions means even better approval because someone is standing up for them.
The Russians, Chinese, Iranian, Syrians (insert other sanctioned people here) are all hardy people, and they know pain, they’ve experienced it. Don’t underestimate their capacity to withstand it better than the west.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 8 2022 3:26 utc | 395

Scuppers | Mar 8 2022 3:22 utc | 395 “If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.”
That about covers the US pentagon bio weapons program and from what they have been stating officially, Russia and China intend to shoot that duck out of the sky.. though I doubt they will give it a sporting chance. They will kill that duck wherever they find it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2022 3:38 utc | 396

Posted by: Scuppers | Mar 8 2022 3:22 utc | 395
Let’s analyze…
“But it does beg a number of questions.”
Yes, it does.
“1) why so many separate locations, in one country?”
Good question. One possible answer is that the research involve collecting biological samples from various animal species native to the country the lab is located in and surrounding countries.
“Do they publish the results of their research and share their discoveries?”
Good question. I don’t know. The Wuhan lab certainly did. What’s needed is the same sort of investigation that was conducted about the Wuhan lab contracts, publications, personnel and related matters. Until someone does that, we don’t know the answers. Which makes them not “evidence” of anything.
“2) why so many of these centers globally?”
Same answer as above. First, it needs to researched globally. Second, it’s obviously useful to have multiple countries contributing to the effort in terms of funding, equipment, facilities, personnel, etc.
“why locate these labs geographically surrounding the USA’s adversaries”
Another good question we need answers to. Still not proof of anything. What’s needed is an objective assessment of the totality of this research by all countries everywhere to determine whether the US effort is contrary to the baseline.
“Why not conduct that research in the US itself?”
Same answer as above. Has to be done globally to detect pathogens not native to the US.
“Could it be because of treaty obligations, and therefore the need for plausible deniability?”
Good question. Again, an overview of the entire setup and how it was setup needs to be done.
“3) Why did the US insist on no enforcement mechanism when entering into the treaty on banning bio weapons?”
This is typical US behavior. Insist on restricting everyone’s actions but it’s own. This is why it refused to sign the mine treaty and other measures.
“4) Why were the Ukrainians given the orders to sanitize the projects If it was just innocent research?”
Do you want dangerous pathogens left alone in the middle of a war? The question is what was sanitized, not that it was.
“There’s no smoking gun yet, but I do hope the Russians find one; will probably come in the form of interrogations.”
Agreed.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 3:40 utc | 397

Below is one one aspect of what ZH called Carnage Everywhere today
In one posting they wrote this

…..to Industrial Metals, where Nickel exploded 82% in one day amid a wave of short squeeze in the largest dollar gain in 35 yr history of LME contract…

In another we find out who got hit

Around the time Peabody was served with a $534 million margin call on its hedging coal futures short, which it funded with a new $150MM unsecured (10%) revolver from Goldman Sachs, one of China’s largest banks was also served with a margin call for hundreds of millions of dollars on a nickel short gone terribly bad after the price of Nickel did (see above)
However, unlike Peabody, a unit of China Construction Bank Corp – one of China’s “Big Four” banks – was given additional time by the London Metal Exchange to pay hundreds of millions of dollars of margin calls it missed Monday amid an unprecedented spike in nickel prices. The reprieve from the LME – which just last week sent out thousands of erroneous margin calls on metals contracts – means that the unit, called CCBI Global Markets, is not formally in default, Bloomberg reported citing sources.

I suspect that lots of margin calls were missed on Monday and that will be compounded on Tuesday….will oil go to $300 and is that a feature or a bug?…and by/for which faction?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2022 3:44 utc | 398

Here’s a question…
The Russians said they’ve been monitoring these bio labs for some time. Surely they could have infiltrated or otherwise determined what was going on before this, especially since they reference the enhanced disease outbreaks they alleged are the result.
So why didn’t they bring this up to the relevant international agencies or the UN before now? Or did they? Anyone got links to show one way or the other?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2022 3:47 utc | 399

Anti-censorship host file to escape Western info-prison

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# localhost is used to configure the loopback interface
# when the system is booting. Do not change this entry.
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127.0.0.1 localhost
255.255.255.255 broadcasthost
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# Anti-censorship additions March 8, 2022
178.248.233.26 sputniknews.com
185.178.208.5 rt.com
185.178.208.5 http://www.rt.com

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 8 2022 3:49 utc | 400