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March 09, 2022

The Sanction Backlash Will Push The 'West' To Accept Russia's Demands

For years the U.S. committed policies that have left a lot of countries grumbling. Now, as the U.S. needs support to milden the consequences of 'punishing' Russia, those policies come back to bite. So will the secondary effects of sanctions the 'west' has imposed on Russia.

Today one report calls news of US controlled bio-weapon laboratories in Ukraine a 'debunked conspiracy' while other news says that Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland tells Senators that she is very concerned that 'research materials' from these laboratories could fall into Russian hands. If the 'research material' is not weapon grade why is she concerned about it?

That does not fit well with the ongoing anti-Russian propaganda campaign.

Nor do these maps.

The first shows the countries which banned Russian airplanes from their airspace. Russia in turn denied its airspace to operators from those countries. It will cost quite a bit for U.S. and EU airlines as their flight times and cost to and from Asia, which typically fly through Russian airspace, will now increase. Carriers from Asian countries will now easily out-compete U.S. and European airlines on these routes.


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The second map shows those countries which enacted sanctions against Russia. The secondary effects of sanctions are likely to hurt these countries as much as they hurt Russia. The absence of African, Asian, Middle Eastern, Central and South American countries is quite telling.

It does not look like 'the world' or the 'international community' is backing the 'west'.


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The U.S. also sanctioned all imports of oil products from Russia. President Biden has blamed Russia for the price increase that will inevitably follow. I don't believe that mid-term voters will accept that reasoning. European countries can not follow that step as their economies depend of imports of oil and gas from Russia and will continue to do so for years to come.

In a move that must have been quite humiliating for the White House the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the UAE declined to take calls from the U.S. president. They want the U.S. to designate the Houthi movement in Yemen, which they have been unsuccessful to suppress, a terrorist group:

One hopes that the Biden administration does not fall for these disgusting bribery schemes but he has backed himself into a corner, cutting off Russian oil to punish Putin for a humanitarian crisis in Ukraine, with no alternative but to horsetrade with autocrats over the fate of Yemenis a half a world away. If this is geopolitics, heaven forgive us.

I don't think that the above is the only request the Saudis and UAE leaders will have. They are now in a situation in which they can demand ever more.

Likewise humiliating is the administration's opening of talks with Venezuela which it had sanctioned all around in its attempt to regime change the country. Caracas has released two U.S. nationals from prison. It is willing to talk. But before providing oil to the U.S. market it will demand the lifting of all sanctions and the return of all its assets the U.S. and UK have confiscated. Biden will have difficulties to find a Congress majority in support of such steps.

The return of the nuclear deal with Iran, which would enable more oil output, hangs in balance as Russia demands sanction exemptions for its trade with Iran.

The U.S. had attempted to press Poland to deliver its old Mig-29 fighter jets to the Ukraine. In Russia's eyes that would have been a direct Polish aggression against it. Warsaw found a smart way to avoid that. It offered to deliver the jets to a U.S. airbase in Germany. The tar baby would thereby stick to the U.S. itself. The Pentagon declined to accept that. The jet transfer is now most likely dead.

The U.S. and Europe are only starting to feel the secondary consequences of the all out economic war they hastily initiated against Russia. The war will cause recessions not only in Russia but also all over the 'west'. This while Russia has yet to announce its counter sanctions. There are many steps Russia could take to hurt the 'west' by withholding this or that resource. It is likely to start slowly to then increase the pressure step by step.

It seems that there was given no thought at all about the secondary effects the 'western' sanctions would have.

Meanwhile the Russian intervention in the Ukraine continues at a moderate pace. Russia is not in a hurry as Zelensky is making noise about 'compromises':

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky won't accept Russia's demands for ending the war unconditionally, but he's open to trying to find a compromise that could include not pursuing NATO membership.
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Along with "cooling down" to the idea of joining NATO, Zelensky told ABC News that there's room for negotiating on the occupied territories and unrecognized republics.

Russia responded in kind:

Moscow is not aiming to overthrow the current leadership in Ukraine, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said, amid the ongoing military campaign in the neighboring state.

“Its objectives don’t include occupation of Ukraine, destruction of its statehood, or the toppling of the current government. It’s not directed against the civilian population,” Zakharova told reporters at a regular press conference on Wednesday.

The spokeswoman reiterated that Moscow wants to defend the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, which broke away from Ukraine shortly after the 2014 coup in Kiev. She added that Russia seeks the “demilitarization and denazification” of Ukraine.

It will be interesting to see if the U.S. allows Zelensky to go further down that path. The secondary effects the sanctions will have for the 'west' are likely to eventually lead to that.

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I find this concerning.

Earlier today, from Intel Slava:

"A provocation with 80 tons of ammonia is being prepared near Kharkov to accuse Russia of using chemical weapons. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation"

As if by magic, a few hours later from the BBC:

"Western officials say they are "very concerned" about the risk of escalation in the war between Russia and Ukraine.

They are particularly concerned about the possibility of Russia using non-conventional weapons, they say - which most likely refers to chemical weapons although the term also covers tactical (small-scale) nuclear weapons, biological weapons and dirty bombs.

"We've got good reason to be concerned," said one Western official.

They said this was partly because of what had been seen in other places where Russia has been engaged in conflict, notably Syria where chemical weapons were used by its allies."

Posted by: RJ | Mar 9 2022 21:26 utc | 101


Posted by: John Cleary | Mar 9 2022 20:02 utc | 64

Yes you should be proud. I first came across your Clare Daly Irish MP during Obama regime....
She stood up and said Obama claimed to have Irish blood... blood shit!

I believe that was early Obama reign when Obama visited Ireland....

Watch CGTN videos... everything came out from UK are 101% pro UK, USA... but if programs produced in Beijing are 101% pro China and Russia.. CGTN are produce in 4 countries... Beijing, Washington DC, UK and Nairobi Kenya

https://www.cgtn.com/channel/english

Posted by: JC | Mar 9 2022 21:29 utc | 102

@Jens Sorensen | Mar 9 2022 19:43 utc | 58

Much better strategy is for Chinese companies to move into Russia, gobbling up all the businesses of the western companies. Than these stupid western companies will find out what idiots they are and rush back to Russia in a stampede. Either that or they lose their market share in Russia forever. No need to threaten anybody like the yanks. It's bad manner.

Posted by: cindy6 | Mar 9 2022 21:31 utc | 103

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 9 2022 18:48 utc | 21

Zelensky is a comedian on drugs and alcohol. Hardly a partner for serious thinking. Besides, his role does not require too much thinking.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Mar 9 2022 18:47 utc | 19
The only oil/gas resource US has left in the ground in large amounts is Shale. Problem with shale is its expensive to extract. The rest of the problems with it involve geology and technology.

US stole Venezuelan gold and tried to assassinate Maduro. Is he going to play with US ? If he does, good luck to him because as soon as Venezuela relaxes US will look for a way to shaft them.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 9 2022 21:32 utc | 104

Posted by: RJ | Mar 9 2022 21:26 utc | 100

This is like the fourth attempt in this kind of direction, beginning with the fire at the nuclear plant a few days ago, then another fire at another plant, then Nuland's talk about a biological attack, now the ammonia with a shout-out to Syria, where the US last successfully staged this sort of thing.

It is simply incredible to me what the Western populace is so easily convinced of. It is honestly terrifying. If the media told the Western populace tomorrow that Russians in Europe were all assassins trained by Putin and needed to be rounded up for the sake of liberty and democracy, what do you think would happen? We resemble nothing more than the German populace during WW2.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 9 2022 21:33 utc | 105

Posted by: WJ | Mar 9 2022 21:33 utc | 104

Now we get to see how easy it was to convince millions to lose their lives in WW I.
When I think of how the trench warfare was conducted it makes me sick that people put up with this for so long.
And They Did.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 9 2022 21:37 utc | 106

The good thing about CounterPunch is that they allow some token anti-imperialist leftist to remain on their website, pitiful minority that they are.

Gary Leup mentioned


the “Question That Must Not Be Posed”—“Why does NATO exist? Why is it, in the first place?”

In Polish, it can be phrased very succinctly, "Na co NATO" (for what purpose NATO [exists]), or "Na co nam NATO" (why do we need NATO), unfortunately, it does not seem that it can be published.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 9 2022 21:40 utc | 107

I've read in some snippets about Russia declaring essentially a debt jubilee for the people in Russian controlled areas within the ukraine. Has anyone in the bar come across Similar reports from a credible sourcs? Assuming this is true, it is a brilliant strategy to not only drum up support For Russianoperation now, but also future support for any Pro Russian governments in those areas.

Posted by: Cindy6 | Mar 9 2022 21:43 utc | 108

Tom_12 @103--

Best for Maduro to say first free my assets and repatriate our gold, then perhaps we'll discuss things. If no, then no discussion.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2022 21:44 utc | 109

On again off again. Grounded MiGs jets. Is it true?
Pentagon rejects NATO nations providing jets to Ukraine


WARSAW, Poland (AP) — The Pentagon on Wednesday slammed the door on any plans to provide MiG fighter jets to Ukraine, even through a second country, calling it a “high-risk” venture that would not significantly change the effectiveness of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby told reporters that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke with his Polish counterpart on Wednesday and told him the U.S. assessment. He said the U.S. is pursuing other options that would provide more critical military needs to Ukraine such as air defense and anti-armor weapons systems.
Poland had said it was prepared to hand over MiG-29 planes to NATO that could then be delivered to Ukraine, but Kirby said U.S. intelligence concluded that it could be considered escalatory and trigger a “significant” Russian reaction.


https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-poland-united-states-europe-warsaw-534cd345f7bcb5a08a21fc2244efb04f

You bet it would trigger a significant response, the likes of which is unthinkable.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 9 2022 21:44 utc | 110

If the media told the Western populace tomorrow that Russians in Europe were all assassins trained by Putin and needed to be rounded up ...

Posted by: WJ | Mar 9 2022 21:33 utc | 104

For now, they are only convinced that people that were known to public as Valery Gergiev and Anna Netrebko are actually the infamous Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale duo. A wider roundup is still possible.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 9 2022 21:48 utc | 111

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 9 2022 21:44 utc | 109

On the one hand, we have several attempted and/or planned false flags which are designed to elicit a universal demand for NATO to get involved.

On the other hand, we have the Pentagon stating publicly that NATO will not be giving jets to the Ukrainians because it is too risky given the likely Russian response.

What I conclude from the above is that there is an ongoing war between what I imagine are the neocons in the State Department and the Pentagon generals over whether or not the US should try to escalate things further, in the direction of the involvement of NATO. What seems clear is that the neocons have not given up. They are still trying to scheme some kind of false flag--probably through the CIA Special Operations division. The Pentagon brass, for their part, are now speaking out loud to the press. I take it this is an attempt to bring pressure of their own against the necons.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 9 2022 21:49 utc | 112

Selective Outrage
by Lesley Bravery:

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/03/10/selective-outrage/

Interesting information and very good links.

Posted by: Paul | Mar 9 2022 21:49 utc | 113

pachinko @ 41
"Die Anstalt" had been a great show. With Georg Schramm and Urban Priol, it was called "Neues aus der Anstalt". The team changed in 2014, they did quite a good job at first. But since ~2015, they are making propaganda just like any other mainstream media outlet in Germany does. But you probably know all that already.

Posted by: SomeKraut | Mar 9 2022 21:49 utc | 114

https://twitter.com/spriter99880

Givi 84 87 90 etc wealso good source is

spriter has same info from wargonzo but also in english for moa readers..medics were cleared out recently by ukrops recently ..no pics dead bodies

Posted by: Jo | Mar 9 2022 21:49 utc | 115

#33 - "Moral of this story. You cant sanction everybody at the same time."

I think the moral of the story is if you sanction everyone at once, you're essentially just sanctioning yourself.

Empire of Own-goals

Posted by: KP | Mar 9 2022 21:52 utc | 116

Hmmm....threads in the wind begin to take shape, perhaps? Levinsky now speaking about a deal, not joining NATO, some kind of stop to the battle, with a meeting in Turkey tomorrow? More and more notice of what Nuland said and for sure a reveal of just what the Russians have to document the bioweapon charge and the March 8 invasion charge? It becoming clearer and clearer that a lot of the world ain't with the West on this but everyone wants the war to stop? Rumors the hospital bombing is a lie, or was occupied by the Azovs? I know 500-600 dead civilians is a disaster, but after 15 days of bombing and attacks throughout a country, with much fighting in cities, 500-600 is a tiny number, perhaps showing that, along with power still on, internet working, phones working, the invasion is more civilian friendly than presented? Zelinsky could end this, in a day, if he called up Putin and said, OK, we will pledge neutrality and no NATO or EU if you guys withdraw. Some say the Nazis in his crowd will kill him, and maybe so, if true; others will say the West won;t be too happy either. But this seems the one - maybe the only - way to get Putin a way out of this he can survive, claiming his goals met. Otherwise this is starting to look like a balls to the walls effort to bring it all on to Russia to crush them forever, and no Russian will take kindly to that....plus, maybe even more important, Putin's move has totally backfired in that he has proven the value of NATO expanding east _ as the West will now say -and he has galvanized a Ukrainian population against Russia, so against Russia they seem to be fine with their Azov and neo Nazi members. So even if Putin has this off ramp he may still be seen in Russia as a loser - yeah he got a neutral Ukraine but he also rebuilt the Western alliance, helped create a hostile neutral Ukraine, and he crashed his economy to get there, not to mention all the bodies coming home. This means he will be desperate. I still think if he withdraws and claims victory and can document the labs and the planned invasion, and weather the body bags coming home, he ,might not become so desperate as to try to take us all down with him.....

Posted by: Boomheist | Mar 9 2022 21:53 utc | 117

pachinko @ 41
Malmsheimer auch? I'm gonna be sick if I watch this. Maybe we should do what Wiglaf Droste did.

Posted by: SomeKraut | Mar 9 2022 21:55 utc | 118

@ pretzel 5
I’m not sure the American sheep were all that enthusiastic to begin with.
Even sheep know that poking the bear is a bad idea.

When it comes down to lightening the pocket book, the sheep will stray
And begin to ask why?
Instead of allowing their sheepy emotions to get all worked up over children
hospitals, they will wonder “what’s in this for us”

Just my opinion, but I don’t see the American sheep just taking this much longer

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Mar 9 2022 21:57 utc | 119

I'm on Hudson's Crowdcast starting in 3 minutes. Will report results.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2022 21:57 utc | 120

Southfront.org is down even from behind a VPN in multiple countries.

I did some investigating and it appears they have a German webhost Hetzner.com and their host just took the site down,88.198.255.174 blocked.hetzner.com a traceroute aventually leads to: 88.198.255.174 blocked.hetzner.com

Seems the west is doing whatever they can to supress all info about the Ukraine conflict other then their own propaganda so their citizens live in a complete information vacuum, exactly the thing they are accusing the Russians of doing.

Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 9 2022 21:58 utc | 121

RE Scott in Dallas 71

I am not sure that OPEC really have the workable spare capacity - Saudi and UAE claim to have 3 million barrels per day in spare capacity yet this is not quiet accurate in terms of near term availability - a fair amount of this alleged capacity includes long shut in wells in the Saudi /Kuwait neutral zone - other countries will also take a long time to ramp up if they wish to break with the current agreement

As for US shale this too will take some considerable time to respond (1 year plus) as the US oil patch has been eviscerated in its capabilities over the last two years with rig counts still below pre Covid levels and oil from US shale plays is light and sweet anyway so is the wrong type of oil to replace Russian blends on the world market - https://www.oxfordenergy.org/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Russia-Ukraine-crisis-Implications-for-global-oil-markets.pdf

Posted by: Aslangeo | Mar 9 2022 22:02 utc | 122

Of course lifting sanctions on Iran or Venezuela is sure to get the response that they'll be happy to do so once we release all their confiscated assets with interest. And if you think getting Congress to accept the humiliations of caving on all those sanctions and asset seizures, then I have some Ocean front property in Arizona for sale...

Posted by: erik | Mar 9 2022 22:03 utc | 123

Last post was aimed at #19

Posted by: erik | Mar 9 2022 22:04 utc | 124

Posted by: Boomheist | Mar 9 2022 21:53 utc | 116

Rumors the hospital bombing is a lie, or was occupied by the Azovs?

From Lenta.ru reporting on Mariupol yesterday (link Posted by: Givi | Mar 9 2022 20:38 utc | 87:)

"Igor said that in the last days of February, people in uniform came to the maternity hospital where his mother works. He does not know whether they were fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the nationalist battalion "Azov" ( banned in the Russian Federation ). The military knocked down all the locks, dispersed the staff of the maternity hospital, and set up firing points in the building in order, as they explained to the doctors, to prepare the “fortress of Mariupol” for defense. The reaction of the military to objections is standard: blows with rifle butts, shooting into the air."

Posted by: RJ | Mar 9 2022 22:05 utc | 125

@ Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 9 2022 21:40 utc | 106

Yes indeed, but I almost spit out my laap at lunchtime when I saw this line in Leupp's otherwise fairly creditable essay:

When do the censors go for Counterpunch, for spreading the (false and publicly demoralizing) claim that NATO expansion provoked the war?

I mean, who's he trying to kid?

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 9 2022 22:08 utc | 126

@ScottinDallas #71
Why do you think so?
OPEC+ has not been able to meet its increased production quotas for 6 months.
Do you think they have been holding back?

From my viewpoint: COVID + ESG induced underinvestment is the cause, and so the supply problem won't be resolved for at least 1-2 years.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 9 2022 22:09 utc | 127

Southfront.org censored? Been down all day

Posted by: Anunnaki | Mar 9 2022 22:12 utc | 128

thanks b and to many posters here - givi, WJ, karlof1, peter au and many others...

i am trying to take a wide lens view on all this... this is partly a response to arne from the previous thread.. see arnes post below my comments..

the dynamic that happened in syria has many parallels to what's happening here.. what'd we learn from syria dynamic? the big difference here is russia is trying to besiege ukraine with desires both possible and from my own point of view - unrealistic.

there are countless outcomes possible here but to simplify - here are 3 big possibilities..
1) russia is unsuccessful, or partially successful in its goals.
2) the west is unsuccessful or partially successful in its goals.
3) nothing much changes, or there are huge world wide changes.

this goes with 1) - does russia collapse and putin is removed, or not? or does russia get stronger based on its challenge here?
this goes with 2) - does nato survive this and get stronger, or not? does europe survive this and get stronger, or not? does wall st survive? does the west become a shadow of its former self?
this goes with 3) financial collapse.. is it possible here? i think a complete realignment of the world order is possible here.. this would include a financial reordering.. it would also include different types of alliances being made possible as an outgrowth of the choices and decisions made at this moment in time with regard all of this.

obviously i am trying to get a wide lens view and am painting in broad strokes.. i have no idea how this is going to look 6 months, or 1 year or 5 from where we are now..

my greatest concern is that russia doesn't meet its objectives - denazifying ukraine and that russia becomes a pariah state... i can't see the later myself, but i can see the objective of denazifying ukraine as exceptionally hard to impossible to get.. for russia to get that, the west would have to agree with the characterization and they don't.. in fact, they are supportive of it, as they were with isis in syria.. there are so many parallels to syria here, it is impossible to ignore.. one that i liked which was mentioned in a previous thread was the frozen zone of idlib and having a similar set up here in western ukraine... i think i am dreaming, but it is hard to know how things are going to play out here at this time.. the situation is very porous..


Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 9 2022 18:34 utc | 658
What this war comes down to, IMO:

Russia wins this war on Ukraine militarily. There is no other outcome. The Ukrainian govt, at the demand from the US, is not negotiating a peaceful conclusion faithfully, but is there to prolong the war as much as possible. Why? Because its not only a military war, but an economic war from the US on Russia. And the US, followed by EU allies, hopes to defeat Russia economically. In this way, the Ukrainians soldiers and civilians are expendable pieces of flesh and bones sacrificed for the US war on Russia.

My prediction is that Russia will have to go all the way to Lviv. And even then, it wont get a negotiated conclusion. The Ukraine govt will simply move to a NATO country and organize an insurgency. As long as the US thinks it can defeat Russia by economic means, more ppl will die. Only when the US sees that it cant sustain its own losses, then it will agree to a negotiated conclusion. Only time will tell, if the EU sticks to the US plan at the expense of its own economy and future. In this way, all three sides, Russia, US and EU, can lose it all: Russia its existence, the EU its wealth and production and the US its financial capabilities to dictate world affairs.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 9 2022 18:34 utc | 658

Posted by: james | Mar 9 2022 22:16 utc | 129

John Cleary | Mar 9 2022 20:03 utc | 69
Thanks, that was refreshening.
These Nazis are applying great tactics in the fight for their cause to be integrated into the West:
https://www.thezimbabwemail.com/world-news/clare-daly-and-mick-wallace-offices-vandalised-with-nazi-stickers-after-ukraine-vote/

Posted by: SomeKraut | Mar 9 2022 22:19 utc | 130

Machine translated from Russian spring.

"Three. Chemistry again. The Ministry of Industry and Trade stated that it is necessary to suspend the export of fertilizers until normal transportation is resumed and delivery guarantees are guaranteed.

The ministry stressed that due to the sabotage of deliveries by some foreign logistics companies, farmers in Europe and other countries cannot receive the necessary volumes of fertilizer.

Translated: on the eve of the sowing season, European farmers, well, and American at the same time, are left without Russian fertilizers, and this is f***, to put it simply. Our share in the global market is slightly less than a third of the world's potash production, about 10% of nitrogen fertilizers, and about 20% of complex fertilizers.

There is nowhere to fill this shortfall. That is, nowhere at all. There are no such fertilizers. Ah, stop. Belarus, which also seems to be a little bit under sanctions, has them. He also focuses a little. And in the end, some without fertilizers. Somewhere, as in Ukraine, the sowing campaign is disrupted. That is, in six months, the global food market, in particular, wheat, is simply collapsing. And what is interesting is that Russia is a world leader in the wheat market.

Logistics are ruined, and it is absolutely impossible to bring our wheat to Europe. To China, that's easy. He needs a lot.

Fourth. With semiconductors and chips in general interesting.

"...The fact is that our country today accounts for 80% of the market for sapphire substrates — thin plates made of artificial stone, which are used in opto-and microelectronics to build up layers of various materials, such as silicon. They are used in every processor in the world-AMD and Intel are no exceptions. Our position is even stronger in the special chemistry of etching microchips using ultra-pure components.

Russia accounts for 100% of the world's supply of various rare earth elements used for this purpose. A ban on finished products for Russia will result in a retaliatory ban on the supply of production components and cause an acute shortage of processors for the whole world.

By comparison, the situation with supply disruptions at the end of 2021 will seem relatively easy”"

They say that in Europe “diesel " is already 2 euros? And even 2.20? A week ago it was 1.80. And a little communal grew up. Well, just a little. In principle, it is comparable to the fall in the ruble exchange rate."


Источник: https://rusvesna.su/news/1646631259

Posted by: Per/Norway | Mar 9 2022 22:21 utc | 131

exiled off mainstree | Mar 9 2022 19:09 utc | 40

The probability is that Russia is already in possession of one or more of the many laboratories. Nuland was testifying under oath so she had to admit to their existence. Russia and China have already global attention to that fact and its only a matter of time before more facts come out. The mainstream media are already running out of stories alleging Russian atrocities as there are not a lot of civilians being killed by their actions. Once a few more thousands Nazis are dead even those stories will dry up. Already we are seeing stories about how Russia will help Ukraine rebuild such as helping the farmers around Melitopol to get their crops in with supplies of fuel and fertiliser. Things are going to get back to normal too quickly for Ukraine to be in the news 24/7 for the rest of the year.

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 9 2022 22:36 utc | 132

it is hard to get things back to normal quickly when there is a vested interest on the part of the west for things not to get back to normal. i think your idea is unrealistic..

Posted by: james | Mar 9 2022 22:40 utc | 133

I sometimes get a good laugh, and then a cry, out of reading Caitlan Johnstone, from Down Under.
always perspective about the role of the narrative in manufacturing consent for war/sanctions/mongering and for controlling how people think and react on issues


https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/03/05/is-this-russian-propaganda-notes-from-the-edge-of-the-narrative-matrix/
Is This Russian Propaganda? Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix

"...You can’t fix a problem you don’t understand. And right now with Ukraine the entire western political/media class is pouring a tremendous amount of energy into keeping people from understanding the problem.

...Kinda odd how defending freedom and democracy requires such copious amounts of censorship.

...Don’t worry, I’m sure all those socialist and antiwar Americans that were platformed by RT America can just get jobs criticizing the murderousness and corruption of their government in the free press of the western mainstream media.

...Socialists and anti-imperialists should never accept platforms on Russian media to get heard. They should wait until a respectable western mainstream outlet agrees to platform them, and keep waiting, and waiting, and just keep on waiting until we all die in a nuclear holocaust.

...People tend to overestimate the power of the US war machine and underestimate the power of the US propaganda machine.

...Yes, Smart Internet Person, I love Vladimir Putin. Can’t possibly be that I’m criticizing the known wrongdoings of the mightiest power structure in the world, it’s that I fell in love with some random government official on the other side of the planet and want to suck his cock. It’s not like the US or its allies have ever done anything wrong......."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 9 2022 22:46 utc | 134

The people wearing the shoulder patches in this "Russia bombed a maternity hospital" pic are the 'National Police of Ukraine'
https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/20220309-mariupolhospital.jpg?resize=990,556

Until mid 2021 they were headed by Arsen Avakov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsen_Avakov


On 22 February 2014, following the February 2014 revolution, Avakov was appointed Acting Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.

Avakov described pro-Russian separatists as "terrorists".[19] Soon after his appointed, Avakov announced that to the MVS (Ministry of Internal Affairs) leadership will be placed members of the Maidan Self-Defense and the Right Sector.

Russia requested that Avakov be placed on Interpol's wanted list for "the use of prohibited means and methods of warfare, aggravated murder, the obstruction of professional activities of journalists, and abduction."[24] On 9 July 2014, a Moscow district court arrested him in absentia.[25]

On 3 April 2014 Avakov stated that the investigation has identified all the shooters from the Berkut special detachment (company, also known as the "Black Special Detachment") who were sniping protesters from the roof of the former October Palace and were commanded by the MVS Major Dmitri (Dmytro) Sadovnik.[26] At the same time the acting minister announced that "the former leadership of MVS and Berkut has made everything that any investigation on the subject were impossible".[26] Avakov also added that gangs that were killing and abducting activists of Euromaidan were coordinated by a head of media holding "Kontakt" Viktor Zubritskiy.[26]

In November 2014, Ukraine's chief rabbi Yaakov Bleich condemned Avakov's appointment of Azov Battalion deputy commander and leading Patriot of Ukraine member Vadym Troyan as Kyiv Oblast police chief, and demanded that "if the interior minister continues to appoint people of questionable repute and ideologies tainted with fascism and right-wing extremism, the interior minister should be replaced."[28]

National Police of Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Police_of_Ukraine


It was formed on 3 July 2015, as part of the post-Euromaidan reforms launched by Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, to replace Ukrainian's previous national police service, the Militsiya

This new police patrol received funding from various countries.[13] 2,000 new policemen and women, picked from 33,000 applicants, were recruited to initiate the new service in Kyiv. Officers were American-trained

The new National Police officially replaced the old militsiya on 7 November 2015.[5][19] On that day, the remaining militsiya were labelled "temporarily acting" members of the National Police.[5] The change allowed for them to become members of the National Police after "integrity checks", but they were only eligible if they met the age criteria and went through retraining.[5][20] This transition period ended on 20 October 2016.[21] In this transition period 26% of police commanders were dismissed and 4,400 policemen and policewomen demoted and the same number of people promoted.[2

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2022 22:49 utc | 135

Venezuela should also demand that the US release Alex Saab, who was basically kidnapped while changing planes.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 9 2022 22:51 utc | 136

Koch Industries is awash with Russian investments.

According to Koch Industries, one of the largest private corporations in the world, three of its companies operate in Russia: Molex, a manufacturer of semi-conductors, printed circuits, fiber optics and a multitude of other electrical components; Koch Engineered Solutions, which makes process and pollution control equipment; and Guardian Industries, a glass and auto parts manufacturer. Another unit of Koch Industries, Koch Supply and Trading, has a history of trading Russian oil.

Wallstreetonparade provides a peek at successful offshoring of US jobs to aid in the capitalist recovery of the USSR.

Sanctions away USA.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 22:56 utc | 137

to Jörgen Hassler | Mar 9 2022 18:42 utc | 13

It's totally weird with The Cradle, here in Mexico at about 5pm Central Time, my Firefox can give me urls of inner pages I've visited before, and those do come up.... And I can navigate around inside... But when I go to the Home page from any url, first the Home comes up for a split second and then is blank. Anyone got any idea what that means?
https://thecradle.co/Analysis or /Investigations etc etc - those pages available

South Front, which I check pretty regularly is down completely. I assume it is denial of service attacks, but have no way of knowing for sure

the Empire of Lies and Censorship

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 9 2022 23:04 utc | 138

Maybe the sanctions blowback IS expected ... maybe the plan of the western elite is to finish off the western economy while blaming a combination of 'necessary but damaging' sanctions on Russian aggression that immediatley followed the economic damage already caused by 'necessary but damaging' cvd19 pandemic restrictions ... maybe they feel that this combination is enough to persuade the western populations, to justify the Reset that's on the way.

Posted by: TEP | Mar 9 2022 23:07 utc | 139

REGARDING SOUTHFRONT:
US Treasury posted a new bulletin about their sanctions on SF on the 3. of this month, seems the US now got the EU onboard with censorship.
AUSTRIA ALSO NOW WILL FINE YOU 50000€ FOR EVERY SOCIAL MEDIA SHARING OF RUSSIA TODAY!!

Bernhard, i hope you prepare yourself what may come.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Mar 9 2022 23:11 utc | 140

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 9 2022 18:42 utc | 14

"You can vote against neocons all you want, but they never go away. The fact that a member of one of the most powerful neocon families in the U.S. has been running Ukraine policy for the U.S. for years — having gone from Dick Cheney to Hillary Clinton and Obama and now to Biden — underscores how little dissent there is in Washington on such questions.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=r

Should we thank Greenwald for telling us what we had already figured out on our own?

I hereby promote him to Captain..Obvious.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 9 2022 23:12 utc | 141

Sorry to report that another technical problem caused the Crowdstrike meeting to fail, although those of us attending were able to chat, which enabled me to plug sources and websites.

james @128--

Russia very much remains in the driver's seat. It's in no danger of economic collapse nor is Putin in any political trouble. Russia will achieve its goals and rearrange Europe's security system to what it was intended before it was broken by NATO/USA.

As Hudson and others detail, given Russia's proven economic resiliency, the target of the economic war is European nations. Do take note of the prominent role being played by the EU apparat in all this as they're Europe's Neocons. Do read what Martyanov says here, and recall the fact the Germany's real political class is also its business class; and they're not going to lay down and allowed themselves to be bulldozed. And for all Macron's faults, he won't surrender either, for if he does he'll lose next month's elections. Yes, there's a whole lot at play here--the Macro and Micro.


Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2022 23:14 utc | 142

Jimmy #120

Southfront uses a company in NATO central to host its website?

What a pack of fools.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 23:15 utc | 143

Most countries sanctioning Russia are US and its lackeys, they are not the world at all.

Posted by: Smith | Mar 9 2022 23:16 utc | 144

Posted by: james | Mar 9 2022 22:16 utc | 128 "the big difference here is russia is trying to besiege ukraine with desires both possible and from my own point of view - unrealistic."

In Syria Putin's spoken or official aim was to bring about conditions suitable for negotiation.
In Ukraine his spoken and the official aim is to denazify and demilitarize the place. He has also spoken about the possibility of Ukraine not remaining whole.
I take it he is going to play it by ear on the last one.

I suspect there will be a Ukraine Idlib, hopefully not to big, and I guess like in Syria, when the inhabitants get a bit to rowdy, its time for anther bombing run.
I suspect also that when this is over, Donetsk and Lughansk may well rejoin whatever part of Ukraine can be maintained nazi free and Russia may no longer recognize them as independent republics.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2022 23:19 utc | 145

Aslangeo #121

Yemen can offer to assist US heavy crude needs.

Give us peace in exchange for selling you oil and you can ship it outside those messy sea lanes and busy straights.

That sounds like a normal, fair deal.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 23:19 utc | 146

Russia must change its Ukraine strategy to a harvesting strategy. Maximum harvest of pro-VZ combatants should be the way forward. Russia must use thousands of snipers including sniper drones.

Posted by: Jason | Mar 9 2022 23:20 utc | 147

Peter AU1 #143

I suspect there will be a Ukraine Idlib, hopefully not to big, and I guess like in Syria, when the inhabitants get a bit to rowdy, its time for anther bombing run.
I suspect also that when this is over, Donetsk and Lughansk may well rejoin whatever part of Ukraine can be maintained nazi free and Russia may no longer recognize them as independent republics.

IMO any "Ukraine Idlib" is a NATO nuke base immediately and we will never hear the end of all those poor hostages held by Russia.... hate, hate hate, see Taiwan ...

Putin would need to be a tactical klutz to do that. But it is not out of the question that should he open that option in discussions with his colleagues he might find immediate retirement as the available choice.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 23:26 utc | 148

I fell in love with some random government official on the other side of the planet and want to suck his cock.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 9 2022 22:46 utc | 132

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good laugh

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 9 2022 23:28 utc | 149

Tomorrow is the Russia-Ukraine meeting in Turkey, and a Kremlin meeting on sanction response.
...from Reuters, Mar 9 --
Kremlin tells United States to await response to "economic war"

LONDON, March 9 (Reuters) - The Kremlin accused the United States on Wednesday of declaring an economic war on Russia that was sowing mayhem through energy markets, and put Washington on notice it was considering its response to a ban on Russian oil and energy.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov cast the West's sanctions as a hostile act that had roiled global markets and he said it was unclear how far turbulence on global energy markets would go.
He declined to outline the exact nature of Russia's response. President Vladimir Putin, Russia's paramount leader since 1999, will hold a meeting with the government on Thursday to discuss minimising the impact of sanctions, the Kremlin said.
Asked about a ban on Russian oil and energy imports announced by U.S. President Joe Biden, Peskov said Russia had been, was and would be a reliable energy supplier. Moscow would, though, now think very seriously about a response, Peskov said.
"The situation demands a rather deep analysis - those decisions announced by President Biden," Peskov said. "If you are asking me what Russia is going to do - Russia is going to do what is necessary to defend its interests."
"The United States definitely has declared economic war against Russia and is waging this war," he said.. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 9 2022 23:32 utc | 150

Next will be government will be organizing Pogroms against Slavs since "all their names look the same": "Comment by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on the indictment against Elena Branson, Chairperson of the Coordinating Council of Russian Compatriots in the United States":

"In practice, the US authorities have outlawed people who represent Russian culture and everything Russian on the American continent. Russophobia is going through the roof, and, worse still, it is being made official and legal." [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2022 23:34 utc | 151

US and US lackey economic sanctions are a great opportunity for Russia to start their own versions of Apple phones, McDonald's, KFC, Coke, etc. They can even copy the recipe and nothing will happen. These new Russian startups can bust US profits and even spread globally. Russia has everything to gain.

Posted by: Jason | Mar 9 2022 23:34 utc | 152

@ : karlof1 | Mar 9 2022 23:14 utc | 140

thanks karl.. i hope you are proven correct... i did see that article you linked to from smoothie earlier today.. some of this does seem cause for encouragement.. the part of russia wanting to denazify ukraine seems like a colossal objective and while some of it is possible, i can't see this being gotten here, or in any short term manner which i think is what many are hoping for - short war, as opposed to a long one..

@ Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2022 23:19 utc | 143

thanks peter.. yes, i agree on the idlib parallel here to ukraine.. that makes a lot of sense to me.. as for the rest of your conjecture on this - very interesting.. we will have to wait and see how this all plays out..

@ uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 23:26 utc | 146

yes, maybe that idea is a step too far.. mind you idlib hasn't resulted in much of what many of us thought, but they did try the chemical weapon false flag on idlib territory too, so what you say - i understand where you are coming from..

thanks you 3!

Posted by: james | Mar 9 2022 23:36 utc | 153

Australia can sell 'its' oil that it stole pumps from the Timor Shelf. That will really satisfy the USA watching aussies adopt the USA system of business and all. The USA won't pay for it though as their amnesty international woke experts will then declare it 'blood oil'.

USA consumers will obviously have to pay even more for it at the pump.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 23:38 utc | 154

Is the public being primed for a US/NATO climbdown?

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/china-russia-cooperation-agreement-under-ukraine-pressure-by-stephen-s-roach-2022-03

Posted by: Paul | Mar 9 2022 23:39 utc | 155

The US banned the importation of Russian oil and gas, but this is a trivial amount for Russia, what the US hasn't banned, but Russia can cease to supply is enriched uranium.

Some 46 percent of the uranium used by the US’s 56 operational nuclear power plants is imported from Russia and its Kazakh and Uzbek allies, 22% are coming from Canada, 11% from Australia, and five percent from Namibia. The US purchased about 10.2 million kg of uranium from Russia, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan in 2020, according to data extrapolated from US Energy Information Administration. The US nuclear power plants account for some 9% of the US energy needs, and 20% of the Republic's electricity generation.

If Russia and its two allies cut the supply of the enriched uranium it will take only months for the US lights to switch off.

Posted by: Baron | Mar 9 2022 23:39 utc | 156

What's wrong with your system, b, one enters a valid e-mail address, your site says it's not valid, can you look into it?

Posted by: Baron | Mar 9 2022 23:41 utc | 157

This will not help the search to replace lost imports.

March 8, 2022 - ExxonMobil denied its plan to restart off-shore drilling

SANTA BARBARA, Calif.— The Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors voted today to reject ExxonMobil’s proposal to transport oil by tanker trucks along hazardous California highways. The plan would have helped the company restart three 1980s-era drilling platforms off the Santa Barbara coast that have been shut down since the Refugio oil spill disaster seven years ago. [.] (emphasis added)

https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/santa-barbara-county-rejects-exxonmobil-oil-trucking-plan-2022-03-08/

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 9 2022 23:44 utc | 158

PeterAU1 @ 143

Alternative possibility. I can’t say that I will be right, predictions are hard, especially about the future.

The huge numbers exiting to Poland are Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. From eastern Ukraine no one seems to be leaving but the elite. I am inclined to this hypothesis having grown up amongst all those who fled the Red Army in 1945 and just kept going until they reached Chicago. They did not feel safe until that far away. If this campaign continues to have momentum Lvov and Volhynia will be vacant real estate. Russia settles Russian speakers and Russia loyalists in the empty houses and farms.

Sadly many are going to end up in Chicago again. We are always happy to poison the body politic with misanthropes so long as they are anti-Russian misanthropes.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 9 2022 23:44 utc | 159

"Destroying Russia's oil sector I am not a fan of doing this but all the U.S. has to do is manage to increase global oil production by 5M bpd to counter all of Russia's exports.
1. Unleashing U.S. oil production +1M, 2. lifting sanctions on Venezuela +1M, 3. lifting sanctions on Iran +2M, 4. Increased oil production from Saudi Arabia / UAE ... ? Certainly 2M+

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Mar 9 2022 18:47 utc | 19

Surely kissing and making up with Maduro and Iran will be a cake walk. SA + UAE are playing hard to get it would seem. Gonna cost ole Uncle Schlemiel to get them on side this time, they got an axe or two to grind as well. As in why should America get a pass for it's multiple atrocities while Moe Bin Sawman is vilified by the ever so righteous American's for his uber micro managing of criticism of his backward theocratic country and his part in feeding that Kashoggi fellow into a wood chipper?

Schlemiel, schlimazel, oh Happy Days are here again??

I think the Sheiks also understand which societies have the most tolerance for mayhem

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 9 2022 23:47 utc | 160

interesting bit from anna news - i am using translation software...

The database of employees of the Security Service of Ukraine was hacked. The Russian hacker activist group KILLNET reported this on Wednesday, March 9th. The information is transmitted by the Donbass Today portal with a link to the Signal Telegram channel.

Experts note that they were able to obtain complete data on 49,497 people, as well as secret documents on special operations in the Donbass over the past 7 years of military aggression. Among the information received, there are descriptions of methods of influencing prisoners (including torture) in the Donbass, as well as information about Nazi organizations in Ukraine.

Posted by: james | Mar 9 2022 23:50 utc | 161

Don Bacon #148

Two peak meetings in one day! That will be interesting to observe.

My guess is the demise of Deutsche Bank will be announced a few hours later.

After considering the report I linked re the Koch Brothers etc, I assume the conventional, predictable political circumstances in the USA are now in serious turmoil. The Koch Brothers own the Republicans and likely have serious levels of control within the Democrats and yet cannot possibly be seen to be bucking the sanctions mania.

Yet the entire Koch industries stability is now savagely threatened and they face the possibility of being thrown out of Russia and 'their industry', that they likely stole from the commonwealth as it was in USSR days, will be nationalised. They wont take it all too well and yet they cannot be seen to be anti-sanctions.

I bet Koch is not the only goose to be cooked here. I expect tectonic rifts in USA political alliances, controls and the weakening of subjugation that oligarchs have over the political parties.

Who does this level of macro analysis in the USA that we might read? Is there a roadmap of oligarch / industry / political party ownership? I suspect this will be dagger in the heart of the USA minotaur.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 23:57 utc | 162

Just like the Maidan phone call recording, it is once again
Vicky Nuland confirming what those watching events on the web knew
a few days earlier. When will this Rube Goldberg contraption that runs this ineffective American executive government collapse in a heap?

Posted by: YY | Mar 9 2022 23:57 utc | 163

Peter AU1 & uncle tungsten--

Russia will likely make a territorial adjustment with Ukraine, but after it destroys the Nazis, including their infrastructure as it did with Islamic extremism's. The biggest problem I see for Russia post-Ukraine is rolling back NATO to its 1997 status. That means Poland and the Baltics at minimum won't be allowed in NATO. Russia might extend that by conferring Union State status on the new Ukraine, which would mean Romania, Slovakia, and Hungary would need to exit NATO. To go all the way back to 1997, would add Bulgaria, Czech Republic, and all the Balkan nations. It would be much simpler for NATO to disband. IMO, Russia was ready to negotiate the degree of NATO's fallback prior to the new year, but events since then make me believe that willingness no longer exists thanks to the Outlaw US Empire's behavior and the Putin Doctrine. The Big Problem as I've said before is how to ensure indivisible security to Poland and the Baltics since they're the most hysterical of the Russophobes. IMO, with Belarus and Ukraine as Union States, Russia would likely be satisfied with NATO out of all bordering nations plus Romania and Bulgaria.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2022 0:00 utc | 164

"Moscow is not aiming to overthrow the current leadership in Ukraine, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said, amid the ongoing military campaign in the neighboring state."

I think that is a mistake. OTOH, it depends on what it meant by "overthrow the current leadership". The "current leadership" includes hard line nationalists and neo-Nazis. They most definitely are going to be "overthrown". If what is meant is "we will keep the form of government", then that is probably true.

“Its objectives don’t include occupation of Ukraine, destruction of its statehood, or the toppling of the current government."

I agree it doesn't include occupation or destruction of statehood. That was obvious from the get-go. Toppling of the current government, as I said, is open to interpretation.

"If the 'research material' is not weapon grade why is she concerned about it?"

Maybe she's not. She's concerned as to how she can use the fact of these labs to tarnish the Russians without tarnishing the US. Unfortunately for her, that's hard because the labs are US labs, not Russian. Too bad they aren't Chinese, the US could use them to tarnish China a la the Wuhan lab nonsense.

"Russia demands sanction exemptions for its trade with Iran."

That trade includes reprocessing of Iranian spent fuel, IIRC. If that is banned, Iran can't reprocess its spent fuel. That means no JCPOA. This is why Iran isn't complaining about the Russian demand holding up the deal. Not that I think the deal actually exists. Up until the other day it was still "the deal is near - except the US still hasn't agreed to lift sanctions or give a guarantee." Now that the US desperately wants Iranian oil, a deal might be possible - but now Iran and Russia have even more leverage. OTOH, if they exercise it and the US backs off, the US gets to blame Iran and Russia for that, instead of itself.

"Zelensky is making noise about 'compromises'"

"Noise" is all that is. Five minutes before or after he was in the UK Parliament by Zoom proclaiming that Ukraine would "fight until the end".

Rumor has it that Zelensky is hiding in the basement of the US Embassy in Poland, under complete CIA control. Scott Ritter pointed out that everything you read about Ukraine is part of a CIA "information operation." Anything Zelensky says is dictated to him by his CIA handler. So no one takes this guy seriously.

"It will be interesting to see if the U.S. allows Zelensky to go further down that path."

I can't see how. The only way is if someone can shut down the neocons. That means shuttering Blinken, Nuland, Sullivan and God know who else. Does Biden have that capability to refute his entire administration? There is clearly a fight going on between the neocons and the Pentagon over the Polish jets and the no-fly zone.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 0:01 utc | 165

That hospital tactile missile strike on a maternity hospital makes no sense from the Russian point of view and very bit of sense from the Ukrainian public relations point of view. Much of the news footage is notable for the very tight camera control which doesn't show any 360 panoramic shots or drone footage. Its more a question of what isn't shown.

Posted by: Kaiama | Mar 10 2022 0:03 utc | 166

George Galloway gives a masterful run down of the hypocracy (idiocy) at play in the UK regarding the Ukraine war. As good as it gets in English.

"George Galloway - Episode 144" [click into around 8:05 -- 34:19]
(He then goes on to interview Scott Ritter ...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEIS3wKm6JM

Posted by: imo | Mar 10 2022 0:08 utc | 167

what's obvious bubbles is that the more attention that is paid when these fools expose themselves the better, why oh why are we in such a snit about linking to Greenwald. tell me what your problem is with linking to Greenwald.it's also obvious that Russia is going to win this war, should we stop linking to Martyranov, cause it's obvious? maybe we should just sit in ivory towers and pat ourselves on the back that we no longer need verification.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 10 2022 0:10 utc | 168

headlines -- which one is correct?
1. Radio Free Europe -- McDonald's To Close Restaurants In Russia
2. CNN -- McDonald's, Starbucks and Coca-Cola leave Russia
3. Daily Mail -- Starbucks joins McDonald's in closing ALL its Russian stores
4. Fortune -- Coke, McDonalds and Starbucks suspend business in Russia
>These stores are taking a holiday for a while.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 10 2022 0:10 utc | 169

Posted by: opereta | Mar 9 2022 18:16 utc | 3
"Now you can't view South Front in the US. It was blocked and you need a VPN to watch ir on Mozilla."

Just tried using Nordvpn going through a server in Hong Kong. No go.

Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to southfront.org. PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR

The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 0:12 utc | 170

To: michaelj72 #136, DontBelieveEitherPr. #138, uncle tungsten #141, and all the rest
Re: South Front et al. that are down.

Dan Goodin, Security Editor at Ars Technica, explains what's going on in yesterday's (2315Z) article: “New method that amplifies DDoSes by 4 billion-fold. What could go wrong? New method also stretches out DDoS durations to 14 hours.”

BTW, anyone else note the wink Z. gave in the March 8 video, after saying, "We will win?" He had few creds with me initially; they're almost non-existent now.

ICYWTK, reading, Friedman's NYT Opinion piece, "Putin Has No Good Way Out, and That Really Scares Me" (March 8, 2022). Me, too.

Posted by: Ret. Ed. | Mar 10 2022 0:13 utc | 171

Heartfelt thanks to 'b' for being unflinchingly honest at all times. And providing an island of sanity in sea of cheap propaganda and cowardly scapegoating.
Once a man starts thinking twice about telling the truth, wondering how his boss or friend will react to an expression which might be novel to them or risk becoming regarded as non-conformist, starts searching for good reasons not to side with imperialism but, in the final analysis to line up with them, the end has come. The brains of cowards are lost to the species- they will see any calls for thought as threats to their well being.
Everywhere I look on the internet, in Canada, I find not just slovenly russophobic propaganda (and yes, guys, unreasoning hatred of slavs is no better than antisemitism or negrophobia) but tell tale signs of fear of the state, fear of losing financial support and being, like the people who worried aloud about US biolabs, being mocked as QAnonites.
Thanks also to the commenters, some for their sincerity, some from their industry and commitment to truth. It must be hard to be a troll here with so few fools to be led astray and so many people whop know what they are talking about.
Thanks to all for preserving sanity in the madness of imperialist war.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 10 2022 0:14 utc | 172

Blinken still doesn't get it. . .from State...

[Putin] has a clear plan right now to brutalize Ukraine, but to what end? Because when it comes to an endgame, the big question in the first instance is: what is his endgame? We saw the failures of the initial military plan to quickly subjugate the country. That’s failed. So he’s now turning to a strategy of laying waste to the population centers, to the country. If his goal is to impose some kind of puppet regime by displacing the existing government and putting in place one to his liking, I think it’s pretty evident by the response of the Ukrainian people that they will never accept that. And if he tries to enforce such a puppet regime by keeping Russian forces in Ukraine, it will be a long, bloody, drawn-out mess through which Russia will continue to suffer grievously.

So our response continues to be to do everything we possibly can to make sure that the Ukrainians have the means to defend themselves; to make sure we do everything we possibly can to exert pressure on Russia and on Putin to change course; to do everything we possibly can, of course, to support those who are suffering as a result of Russia’s actions. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 10 2022 0:15 utc | 173

@uncle tungsten | Mar 9 2022 23:38 utc | 152

The USA placed a military base in Darwin for certain reasons.
Little doubt that East Timor was one such reason.

Of course, it was not China at that time, but rather Indonesia who had "invaded" the little ex-European colony holding out on half the island -- the half with the off-shore oil/gas rights.

The small eat the tiny, and the big eat the small.

Posted by: imo | Mar 10 2022 0:18 utc | 174

from al Jazeera...devastation causes injuries . . .
"A Russian air strike has devastated a children’s hospital with a maternity ward in the besieged port city of Mariupol and wounded at least 17 people."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 10 2022 0:20 utc | 175

@ Don Bacon | Mar 10 2022 0:20 utc | 173

. . . at least 17 people, but no mention of whether moms and babies were among them. Hmm, wonder why.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2022 0:25 utc | 176

Now that access to Russia's MFA website is available again, there are a few items that haven't been supplied to barflies. "Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with TV channels RT, NBC News, ABC News, ITN, France 24 and the PRC Media Corporation, Moscow, March 3, 2022", the transcript is English. Yes, it's 6 days old now, but it's still worth the read to see the BS asked by Western presstitutes. This is a good example:

"Question (retranslated): The world is witnessing Russian bombs killing people in Ukraine and we keep hearing the lies that the Russians are telling about these attacks. The world has come together to condemn them. How can you defend this position?

"Sergey Lavrov: You read your question from a piece of paper. The question is short, but still you chose to read it off the piece of paper. I cannot comment on the fakes which abound. It may have come to your attention that primarily Europe and the United States are trying to shut down Russian media and sources of information about the developments in Ukraine, the ongoing special military operation and the way the Ukrainian army, the Ukrainian neo-Nazi battalions are treating civilians. When they retreat, they plunder the areas on their way out. In Donbass, the self-defence units of Donetsk and Lugansk began to drive them out. They take people’s vehicles and equipment, and behave like looters and thieves. There is a lot of information about provocations being prepared, including in Mariupol and other places, where the Ukrainians are trying to use civilians as human shields. Ask the Indian, Arab, or African students who are trying to leave Ukraine, but they won’t let them go. Just yesterday, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi spoke with President Vladimir Putin. He is concerned that an Indian student died in Kharkov, Ukraine. There are no Russian troops in Kharkov. But we see foreigners who want to depart, including across Russian territory, being prevented from leaving at the Kharkov railway station. We are ready to accommodate these students. I don’t have enough time to list all the instances. I encourage you to visit our Ministry’s website, which provides a detailed description of what the Kiev neo-Nazi regime is doing. I know you are fond of the word 'kill.' The real killers are fighting on the side of the Kiev regime." [My Emphasis]

I just can't resist to add another given the quality of Lavrov's very sharp prods:

"Question (retranslated): Do you believe that President Vladimir Zelensky, the first Jewish president of Ukraine, whose family died during the Holocaust, is a Nazi?

Sergey Lavrov: I believe he is being manipulated by nationalists and neo-Nazis. Otherwise, I find it difficult to explain how President Zelensky can “preside” over a society where neo-Nazis and neo-Nazism are flourishing. They openly hold marches and torchlight processions, and he has his guard of honour stand guard as they do so. They conduct exercises, learn methods of urban warfare, sabotage, and provocation. All of that is happening under President Vladimir Zelensky. He claims that his grandfather fought on the fronts of WWII. Look at the laws he signs. How can a president, who is a “citizen of the world” (as every Jewish person is supposed to be), sign a law on indigenous peoples of Ukraine? Russians are not listed among the indigenous peoples. How can a president who is not a racist sign and support laws that ban the Russian language not only in schools (which is ugly in and of itself), not only in education, but in everyday life as well? You cannot ask a pharmacist for medications in Russian. By the way, Crimea (which some people in the West worry so much about) has three state languages – Russian, Crimean Tatar and Ukrainian – which was never the case under Ukrainian rule. Any Russian citizen living in Crimea can come to any federal or local office and speak his or her native language, and they must answer them in the same language. The list goes on and on. I know that you go for catchy images and so you don’t have time to deal with the facts and really understand them. For once, spend at least 30 minutes to read what’s posted on the website of our Ministry, or on the website of the Russian Defence Ministry. I know that you will not be allowed to raise your voice. Yesterday, President of France Emmanuel Macron said that it was a lie to accuse Vladimir Zelensky and Ukraine of allowing Nazism to flourish. He got his answer already. However, the best answer came from his fellow citizen, a French journalist who visited Donbass and described the shelling of a school, the death of two women, two teachers who worked at that school, and she shamed the Western leaders who refuse to see it. Of course, she was not allowed to publish this, but her comment is still available on social media. I encourage you to learn about the facts rather than try to pretend that the same Hollywood 'action movie' is unfolding according to the script about absolute evil and absolute good which was written by your colleagues. [My Emphasis]

I'd very much like to post the rest, but the link is above and the next Q&A is very important, so I highly suggest barflies click and read.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2022 0:26 utc | 177

The moral outrage of Europe over all of this is called into question in no uncertain terms by Clare Daly from Ireland at the EU. Clare Daly at an EU special plenary session

Consider giving this youtube vid some love. It would behoove the world to see this hypocrisy so passionately explained.

JustAnotherAussie

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Mar 10 2022 0:32 utc | 178

Don Bacon @171--

That was quite funny. Blinken can follow Zelensky as a comedian:

what is his endgame?

I guess Blinken can't read for it's all in black and white, unless he's using some colored fonts and backgrounds, and even translated into English so there can't be any mistakes. And he got that info back in December. I will say this, he does an excellent job of describing what the Outlaw US Empire would be doing to Ukraine. What's worse for the Outlaw's plan is Europe appears to be resisting; it doesn't want to become an economic slave of the Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2022 0:37 utc | 179

I find the bioweapons lab revelation simultaneously frightening and hysterical. According to the Anti-war website, Nuland has acknowledged them and the Chinese are very concerned. Posted by: Michael.j | Mar 9 2022 18:47 utc | 20

Why is China concern - jilted lover syndrome? Wasn’t it proven (more or less by leaked email from Fuchi) that US funded bio research lab in Wuhan China of all places?? I think Russia has more reason to be concerned about double dealing by the Chinese.

This just in, film at 11 - nearly the entire world’s governments are rotten.

Posted by: NotGregBradysDad | Mar 10 2022 0:47 utc | 180

@karlof1 Americans drive 2- 3 hours everday to work , one way? Comeon ! Pulling our leg.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Mar 9 2022 19:53 utc | 62

I've lived in So. Cal for many years, and find karlof1's synopsis of Cal. driving habits pretty much on target...

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 10 2022 0:51 utc | 181

Re the report that the Russian MoD released documents "proving" that Ukraine intended an offensive on Donbass in March, 2022...

I cannot download the original PDF of the operational order because MoD is blocked again, even via VPN through Hong Kong.

However, someone on Sputnik's channel in Telegram translated the order. Here it is, in crappy format, but you can get the meaning of most of it through the military jargon:

Fourtoo, [3/8/22 10:47 PM]
[In reply to Sputnik News US]
Page 1

NATIONAL GUARD OF UKRAINE MILITARY UNIT 3018 Collection of copies for Nikonists ENTRY ENCODING TELEGRAM NO To the commanders of military units 2269, 3018, 3077 3 for the purpose of organizing the preparation of a battalion tactical group 4 combat (special) tasks in the operation of the Joint Forces as part of the brigade of the 3rd Armed Forces of Ukraine “from 22.01.2022 4t. order Appendix: file “Preparation Plan BTGr 3018 (3) TLG” doc, 59 KB. secretly. Ne 27/2/1 / 2-53t-E 22.01.2021 First Deputy Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine (Chief of Staff) Lieutenant General Volodymyr KONDRATYUK

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Note I ORDER OF THE COMMANDER OF THE NATIONAL GUARD OF UKRAINE 22.01.2022 Kyiv On the organization of training of the battalion and tactical troupe from 19.01.2022 No. 39/304/78/1 in order to increase the capacity of the combined forces in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions I ORDER: 1. To approve the organizational and staffing structure of the battalion tactical group 4 brop of the National Guard of Ukraine that is added. 2. To the First Deputy Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine (Chief of Staff) to organize: interaction with the command of the assault troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine until January 24, 2022. with the Command of the Assault Troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Combat Coordination at the ICMB (STARYCH) as part of the 80th Infantry Regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine; : to 05.02.2022 transfer of BTGr 4 brop to MCMB of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (STARYCH); ‘unification of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) on the transfer of forces to the operational;

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from 07 to 28.02.2022 carrying out combat coordination as a part of 80 detachments of DShV of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. 4. To the Deputy Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine (from the staff) to organize: by January 23, 2022, a thorough selection of personnel to the B11r 40rop. according to which it is possible for full-time psychologists to plan and carry out measures to identify and neutralize factors that have a negative psychological impact on servicemen; until January 23, 2022, providing the necessary cultural and educational property. visual agitation, information materials, printing products, flags for placement in the base camp and in the area of aeration of the joint forces; to 25.01.2022 provision of medical property in accordance with the organizational and staffing structure and membership card; 26.01.2022 inspection before planning the moral and psychological support for the movement of armored personnel carriers 4 brop and participation in combat coordination at the IMC (OLD MAN); effective system of moral and psychological support of BTGR 4 brop, internal communication of commanders with subordinates, informing and providing explanations to the personnel of management decisions and the importance of performing tasks as assigned. 5. Deputy Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine (from service) to 05.02.2022 in accordance with the applications (calculations) Commander 4 brop to organize transportation by rail of military equipment BTGr 4 brop from the point of permanent deployment in the area of the IMCB (STARYICHI) and IMCB (STARICHI) area of execution of combat (special) tasks (according to the application of the commander of 4 brop). 6. To the Deputy to organize: by January 23, 2022 comprehensive provision of BTGR 4 brop according to the organizational and staffing structure and membership card for combat coordination at the point of permanent deployment, IMCB (STARICH) and combat (special) tasks in the joint operation: on January 28 .2022 provision of two ammunition for all types of weapons BTGr 4 brop and 9 food supplements, of which 5 boiler, 4 dry; lo 28.01.2022 check readiness to move BTER 4 brop to ICMB of the Land Forces 3C of Ukraine (STARICH): to 01.02.2022 interaction with the command of the DPB with the SSU regarding the transfer to the operational subordination and the order of comprehensive provision to 01.02.2022 concentration at the post

Fourtoo, [3/8/22 10:47 PM]
[In reply to Sputnik News US]
of posting deployment of 4 brop trawls for the transportation of armored vehicles at the rate of -tank trawl (1 unit from the Northern GR), double trawl (3 units -from the Northern OTGO), single trawl (1 unit from the VTI Base) commander (3 rear chief of logistics) from the Western General Staff, 1

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to 012022 to draw up a plan of combat coordination BTGr 4 brop to Rog Inclusive and send it in the prescribed manner to the Main Directorate of the National Guard of Ukraine for approval by the Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine: 3 24.01 to 03.02.2022 to carry out combat coordination B11 r -material base (funds of the National Guard of Ukraine): to 04.02.2022 to equip the base camp (tent camp) at the MCM of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (STARICHI) to accommodate BTGr 4 brop (31 creating living conditions in winter); by January 28, 2022, submit for approval to the Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine proposals for the transfer of BTGr 4 brop to the MCM of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (STARYCH); by 05.02.2022 to organize the transfer of BTGr 4 brop to the ICMS of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (STARICHI); 06.02.2022 to organize the transfer of BTGr 4 brop to the operational subordination of the commander of the 80th DShV DSh Armed Forces of Ukraine: 3 07 to 28.02.2022 composed of 80 odshbr DShV Armed Forces of Ukraine and further combat missions in the Joint Forces operation. Prohibit travel to the area of combat coordination and places of combat (special) tasks of servicemen who have shown unsatisfactory results of psychological testing for readiness for risk, have results of low adaptation to assignments, suicidal behavior or depression (as a result of screening assessment) and those who year, the courts found guilty of criminal offenses, are currently participants in criminal proceedings as suspects (accused), committed administrative offenses related to drug use, or their analogues 13. Control over the execution of the order to put the first deputy commander of the National Guards of Ukraine (Chief of Staff). 14. Order to announce to the personnel in the part concerning it. to ensure the conduct of combat coordination in the performance of combat missions for the Commander, Colonel-General Mykola BALAN

Now I don’t see anywhere in that an order to carry out an actual operation in March, 2022. What I read there is an operational order to transfer some unit from somewhere to another unit in the Donbass region. There’s not even a reference to March in there, anywhere that I can see.

So how is this different from any other operational order in the conduct of the Ukrainian military?

Where is this proof that Ukraine intended an actual offensive against Donbass in March, 2022, as the MoD alleges? I'm not seeing it. This is not an operational order for an offensive. It's "military house-keeping" - the transfer of a unit from the rear, I presume, to the Donbass region. That would explain why the emphasis on the "psychological analysis" of the troops in the unit to be suitable for transfer from a rear area to a conflict zone. That's all I glean out of this.

Am I missing something?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 0:52 utc | 182

Here's yet another little outtake from the Lavrov presser I linked to above:

"There will probably come a time when we will need to come to an agreement, but we will only do this on the basis of the principle all sides have adopted: not to strengthen one’s security at the expense of others’ security and not to claim dominance. Only an equitable dialogue. But our Western colleagues are not ready for this; they are playing at absolute good by grossly abusing diplomatic methods and by forcing small and medium-sized countries to carry out their orders. This happened in global history many times before. So, I wouldn’t jump to conclusions." [My Emphasis]

As I've said over and again, Russia stated its position back in December. It hasn't changed nor will it. Lavrov called out the presstitutes for what they are, and that was very enjoyable to read since they rarely if ever get dressed-down in such a deserving manner and in front of TV cameras.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2022 0:53 utc | 183

In reference to my post at Mar 10 2022 0:32 utc, I just want to point out that John Cleary mentioned and linked to a video of her earlier.

That being said, it was at a Zimbabwe newspaper site, not likely to ever gain any traction. So I linked a youtube vid which has a far greater potential to be seen worldwide.

And John, you have every right to be proud of such a fiery lass.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Mar 10 2022 0:55 utc | 184

As to the "great reset debate"; IMO, it's nothing more than its ever been, the well connected rich "never letting a crisis go to waste"....

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 10 2022 0:56 utc | 185

imo #172

The USA placed a military base in Darwin for certain reasons.
Little doubt that East Timor was one such reason.

Thank you for your response. Yes the tiny get swallowed etc but consider the absurdity of a USA base near Darwin. It is arrogant stupidity and ignorance in extremis.

Australia has an excellent military, abundant defence capability, excellent communications systems and no wars to fight. It has a flash navy and some fairly effective submarines in spite of the self denigration practiced by aussies. The aussie airforce is defence ready and would like to take delivery of its new F35 submersibles from uncle sam but there is now a shipping problem with shortage of heavy marine oil it seems.

Therefore Australia has plenty of spare time and resources to defend its country.

It does not need the 'expertise' of the USA or any other country to stage a base on its soil. Certainly it does not need the expertise of the world's loser nation to be setting up Fort Darwin when it cannot even hold Fort Afghanistan and has lost its grip on Fort Iraq, needs support from invading minority Kurds to have any grip on Fort Syria, Fort Yemen is surrounded and Fort Bonesaw is in disarray.

Meanwhile Fort Sanction has turned into a self invasion with its commodity values plummeting, citizen savings being stolen by capitalist guerrillas in its investment banks, and markets being swallowed by Fort Oligarch. It needs to focus on the home front. Its the economy stupid.

Fort Detrick has infiltrated the country so effectively that the USA has lost the entire planetary objective and is desperately being beaten back by a truckers convoy invading from Canada. The disgrace - the USA defeated by Canadians;) Tomorrow the Southern border, Fort Texas and Fort California, will be overwhelmed by the citizens form further south.

Sounds like the Alamo rerun to me.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2022 1:00 utc | 186

@ 180
re: Operational Order
I don't know about Ukraine, and that mess of words, but US Army 'ops orders' have a defined, terse format with five paragraphs covering all facets of the operation, used at all levels, seen here (scroll down to Format)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 10 2022 1:09 utc | 187

Closely Watched Trains

The RF advance shown in this map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg
has been a source of puzzlement to me. Look at the thin finger sticking up north of Kherson. Why leave Odessa unguarded to the rear and wander off into the wilderness to the north? I believe the answer is revealed in the Ukraine railway system map found here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Ukrainian_Railways_%28subdivisions%29.png

Starting at Kiev, it is clear the main route from Lvov to the eastern oblasts must pass through Kiev. The RF encirclement of Kiev blocks the ability of the regime to reinforce Kiev with war materials.

A prior thread discussed the mechanical reliability of tanks. In WWII some 10% of all advancing tanks would fall out of the route march due to mechanical problems. Contemporary reliability may be somewhat improved but, if at all possible, heavy equipment is moved to the front by rail or truck transport.

Look again at the rail map. You will observe a junction between Kiev and Vinnytsia. This junction is located in the town of Fastiv which is presently contested by UAF and RF. You cannot move trains through a conflict zone so this alternate route to the eastern oblasts is also now blocked.

Below Vinnytsia there is a railway line leading to Odessa. But a connection to the eastern oblasts requires going north from Odessa on the rail line to Cherkasy. About 85 miles north of Odessa there is another rail junction. This is the town of Voznesensk which according to the first map in this series, is presently occupied by RF forces.

What does this mean? It means all of the NATO armaments presently accumulating in Lvov have no satisfactory means of reaching the present AO around Donetsk, or any other portion of Eastern Ukraine. The RF has severed all rail connections between east and west Ukraine. The fighting force in the east has no practical means of resupply for equipment, armaments, ammunition, or anything else, including the 16,000 military adventurers reported to be filling the bars of Lvov.

There are further tactical implications. Some observers, notably strelkovii and Saker, have expressed concern over the apparent failure of the RF to close the kessel behind the LOC. There is no need for the RF to hurry. By severing the rail connection between east and west Ukraine the forces on the LOC cannot run, and cannot re-equip themselves if they do elect to run. The best they can do is sit tight in their concrete bunkers and shell the Donbass. They are, for all practical purposes, dead men walking.

Remember all of those shiny NATO supplied armaments presently accumulating in Lvov? Ammunition is heavy. Light arms are heavy. MANPADS are heavy. ATMs are heavy. You cannot move significant quantities of this materials by car. A single truck load will not be of military significance. Some 40 planes are reported to have disgorged cargo in Poland for transshipment to Lvov. By rough estimate that is some 320 rail-cars of material than cannot now reach the Ukrainian forces in the east.

I suggest to you that the RF has won the battle as decisively as did the Wehrmacht on reaching Abbeville in the spring of 1940.

All those MSM reporters and military talking heads breathlessly announcing Russia has lost, or Russia is bogged down, are incapable of reading a map.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 10 2022 1:10 utc | 188

hmm enough hints now. Looks like the next Act is gonna start soon.

US vs Rosatom (will punish and also piss off a LOT of third party countries relying on nuclear energy, but especially Iran, who is close to JCPOA II which must be sabotaged of course).

US vs SMIC and China electronics in general (bravest play yet, b/c if China were to lose their patience, which they probably won't, they can gently remind US where the supply chain is located)

And lastly, getting materials in place for an eventual NATO big-drone campaign in Ukr, bolstered by NATO air defenses.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 10 2022 1:17 utc | 189

Slightly off this precise topic (sanctions) but such staggering BS that I had to register my utter frustration. The Sydney Morning Herald here is in disgusting mendacious overdrive with its tsunamis of lies and obfuscation.

At least under dictatorships people know their MSM is worthless. But I have intelligent educated friends whose critical faculties are childlike in the face of obvious rubbish. It's affecting my mental state quite badly I have to admit...

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2022 1:22 utc | 190

Interesting interview with the two CEOs of a German foundry company, a sector that depends on low commodity prices.

https://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/mittelstand/dramatische-preisanstiege-ein-euro-pro-kilowattstunde-wird-das-neue-normal-sein/28144806.html

In short: They dont know where the crisis leads to, a kind of crisis that has never been there before. They can see that many factories will simply stop working, if they dont have the energy to keep the machines going. Its a supply crisis, has nothing to do with demand that you can push by financial stimulation. They suggest that all actors should agree to a short notice meeting and only come out, if an agreement is reach, at least that its how its done in their business.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 10 2022 1:22 utc | 191

Posted by: Givi | Mar 9 2022 20:38 utc | 87

Many thanks for that link. Great work finding it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 1:23 utc | 192

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Mar 10 2022 0:32 utc | 176
The moral outrage of Europe over all of this is called into question in no uncertain terms by Clare Daly from Ireland at the EU.

She's absolutely right in what she explained so passionately.
However, her words would probably have held the mirror better in front of the MEPs' faces if she had said all in an unemotionally arrogant manner.
The majority of MEPs find crises and wars completely normal as long as weaker ones are beaten (survival of the fittest), they only become hysterical when there is a chance that they will take the beating.

Posted by: der andere F.H. | Mar 10 2022 1:23 utc | 193


Wouldn't there be a run on the banks and stock markets of the US UK told the truth about the war and the sanctions to the population?

Posted by: K | Mar 10 2022 1:34 utc | 194

@Posted by: Baron | Mar 9 2022 23:41 utc | 155

You probably used copy/paste for your email and it added a space at the end. Get rid of it and the system should accept.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 10 2022 1:37 utc | 195

Posted by: WJ | Mar 9 2022 21:49 utc | 111

ongoing war between what I imagine are the neocons in the State Department and the Pentagon generals over whether or not the US should try to escalate things further, in the direction of the involvement of NATO. What seems clear is that the neocons have not given up. 

In reply, b’s headliner for this post: The Sanction Backlash Will Push The 'West' To Accept Russia's Demands.

So true. Follow the money. It always focuses the mind.
the neocons have overlooked the consequences of their ‘sanctions from hell’ not just on the energy sector but the banking sector…and with all those “famous brands” foreign companies exiting Russia. We have a problem.

There are those Credit Default Swaps....
The Big Question on Wall Street Is Which Banks Owe $41 Billion on Credit Default Swaps on Russia

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2022/03/the-big-question-on-wall-street-is-which-banks-owe-41-billion-on-credit-default-swaps-on-russia/

There is a known $41 billion in Credit Default Swaps (CDS) on Russian debt. There is likely many billions more in unknown amounts. There are also billions more in Credit Default Swaps on state-owned Russian corporate debt and non state-owned Russian corporate debt.
In addition to Wall Street not knowing which global banks and other financial institutions are on the hook to pay out on the Credit Default Swap protection they sold in case of a Russian sovereign debt default (or Russian corporate debt default), there is also approximately $100 billion of Russian sovereign debt (whose default is looking more and more likely) sitting on the balance sheets of foreign banks.

Put it all together and you have the makings of a replay of the 2008 banking crisis when banks backed away from lending to each other because they didn’t know who would fall next from toxic subprime exposure. That led to a liquidity crisis and the unprecedented involvement of the Federal Reserve secretly pumping trillions of dollars into the megabanks on Wall Street and their foreign derivative counterparties.

The cost of buying a five-year Credit Default Swap on Russian debt has spiked from 5 percent of the total value of the debt in early February to 46 percent last Friday to 58 percent this morning. The market has now priced in an 80 percent likelihood of default.
Russia’s debt was downgraded to junk status on February 25 by Standard and Poor’s. On March 3, Moody’s and Fitch downgraded the debt by six notches, also placing it in junk territory.[.]

Reuters reported on February 28 that Citigroup has $10 billion in exposure to Russian loans and various other types of Russian exposure. Given Citigroup’s history of understating its subprime exposure during the financial crisis of 2008, that $10 billion may not be the whole story. On February 1, Citigroup closed the trading day at $66.56. It closed last Friday at $56.59 – a decline of 15 percent.
[.]

And what of the banking sector in the UK and EU? Is Deutsche Bank the canary? How many trillions in derivatives?

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 10 2022 1:38 utc | 196

However, her words would probably have held the mirror better in front of the MEPs' faces if she had said all in an unemotionally arrogant manner.

Posted by: der andere F.H. | Mar 10 2022 1:23 utc | 191


Not at all. If she'd spoken in nice polite measured tones, her MEP colleagues wouldn't have listened at all. The reaction of those colleagues, as we can see from the EU Ukraine rapporteur's reaction, shows how her stridency got under her skin. It won't change them -- they're well paid to be tools of Western hegemony -- but it certainly got under their skin, and maybe they'll sleep a bit less soundly tonight. For 90 seconds of speechifying that's not an insignificant result.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2022 1:38 utc | 197

*got under THEIR skin

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2022 1:39 utc | 198

@186 Perhaps the bridge at Mikholaiv was destroyed?

Posted by: dh | Mar 10 2022 1:39 utc | 199

Posted by: pachinko | Mar 9 2022 19:12 utc | 41

Thank you so much for the detailed write-up of yesterdays "Die Anstalt" show – I loved this show until yesterdays episode. I had to turn it off after 15 minutes, it was just not bearable.

It has been an excellent format all those years, analysing and presenting global & local events in a true and very understandable fashion. Shame that they killed their reputation with just one episode full of flat & unreflected jokes.

Posted by: zet | Mar 10 2022 1:44 utc | 200

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