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March 9, 2022
The Sanction Backlash Will Push The ‘West’ To Accept Russia’s Demands

For years the U.S. committed policies that have left a lot of countries grumbling. Now, as the U.S. needs support to milden the consequences of 'punishing' Russia, those policies come back to bite. So will the secondary effects of sanctions the 'west' has imposed on Russia.

Today one report calls news of US controlled bio-weapon laboratories in Ukraine a 'debunked conspiracy' while other news says that Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland tells Senators that she is very concerned that 'research materials' from these laboratories could fall into Russian hands. If the 'research material' is not weapon grade why is she concerned about it?

That does not fit well with the ongoing anti-Russian propaganda campaign.

Nor do these maps.

The first shows the countries which banned Russian airplanes from their airspace. Russia in turn denied its airspace to operators from those countries. It will cost quite a bit for U.S. and EU airlines as their flight times and cost to and from Asia, which typically fly through Russian airspace, will now increase. Carriers from Asian countries will now easily out-compete U.S. and European airlines on these routes.


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The second map shows those countries which enacted sanctions against Russia. The secondary effects of sanctions are likely to hurt these countries as much as they hurt Russia. The absence of African, Asian, Middle Eastern, Central and South American countries is quite telling.

It does not look like 'the world' or the 'international community' is backing the 'west'.


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The U.S. also sanctioned all imports of oil products from Russia. President Biden has blamed Russia for the price increase that will inevitably follow. I don't believe that mid-term voters will accept that reasoning. European countries can not follow that step as their economies depend of imports of oil and gas from Russia and will continue to do so for years to come.

In a move that must have been quite humiliating for the White House the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the UAE declined to take calls from the U.S. president. They want the U.S. to designate the Houthi movement in Yemen, which they have been unsuccessful to suppress, a terrorist group:

One hopes that the Biden administration does not fall for these disgusting bribery schemes but he has backed himself into a corner, cutting off Russian oil to punish Putin for a humanitarian crisis in Ukraine, with no alternative but to horsetrade with autocrats over the fate of Yemenis a half a world away. If this is geopolitics, heaven forgive us.

I don't think that the above is the only request the Saudis and UAE leaders will have. They are now in a situation in which they can demand ever more.

Likewise humiliating is the administration's opening of talks with Venezuela which it had sanctioned all around in its attempt to regime change the country. Caracas has released two U.S. nationals from prison. It is willing to talk. But before providing oil to the U.S. market it will demand the lifting of all sanctions and the return of all its assets the U.S. and UK have confiscated. Biden will have difficulties to find a Congress majority in support of such steps.

The return of the nuclear deal with Iran, which would enable more oil output, hangs in balance as Russia demands sanction exemptions for its trade with Iran.

The U.S. had attempted to press Poland to deliver its old Mig-29 fighter jets to the Ukraine. In Russia's eyes that would have been a direct Polish aggression against it. Warsaw found a smart way to avoid that. It offered to deliver the jets to a U.S. airbase in Germany. The tar baby would thereby stick to the U.S. itself. The Pentagon declined to accept that. The jet transfer is now most likely dead.

The U.S. and Europe are only starting to feel the secondary consequences of the all out economic war they hastily initiated against Russia. The war will cause recessions not only in Russia but also all over the 'west'. This while Russia has yet to announce its counter sanctions. There are many steps Russia could take to hurt the 'west' by withholding this or that resource. It is likely to start slowly to then increase the pressure step by step.

It seems that there was given no thought at all about the secondary effects the 'western' sanctions would have.

Meanwhile the Russian intervention in the Ukraine continues at a moderate pace. Russia is not in a hurry as Zelensky is making noise about 'compromises':

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky won't accept Russia's demands for ending the war unconditionally, but he's open to trying to find a compromise that could include not pursuing NATO membership.

Along with "cooling down" to the idea of joining NATO, Zelensky told ABC News that there's room for negotiating on the occupied territories and unrecognized republics.

Russia responded in kind:

Moscow is not aiming to overthrow the current leadership in Ukraine, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said, amid the ongoing military campaign in the neighboring state.

“Its objectives don’t include occupation of Ukraine, destruction of its statehood, or the toppling of the current government. It’s not directed against the civilian population,” Zakharova told reporters at a regular press conference on Wednesday.

The spokeswoman reiterated that Moscow wants to defend the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, which broke away from Ukraine shortly after the 2014 coup in Kiev. She added that Russia seeks the “demilitarization and denazification” of Ukraine.

It will be interesting to see if the U.S. allows Zelensky to go further down that path. The secondary effects the sanctions will have for the 'west' are likely to eventually lead to that.

Comments

https://t.me/swodki/37000
reportedly, Ukrainian Bayraktar destorys Russian BMD light armored vehicle

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 9:04 utc | 301

https://t.me/swodki/36975
Russian aircraft shot down new Kharkov
Worth noting a car marked “ООН” – United Nations.
In 2021 OSCE SMM is send to transfer about two dozens of UN-coloured LandCruiser 200 cars to Ukrainian army for doing under cover missions. There is told to be no official UN humanitarian missions in Ukraine.
Geneva Conventions? LOL. “Everything for friends, law for enemies.” (C)

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 9:08 utc | 302

Arioch | Mar 10 2022 9:04 utc | 295
All this stuff hit by Bayraktar is Armenia. Was able to find a number of them the other day looking for video from the azerbajan/armenia conflict.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 10 2022 9:16 utc | 303

Cognitive Warfare, a participatory propaganda¹

In many ways, cognitive warfare can be compared to propaganda, which can be defined as “a set of methods employed by an organised group that wants to bring about the active or passive participation in its actions of a mass of individuals, psychologically unified through psychological manipulations and incorporated in an organisation.”²

Mute is a feature that allows you to remove an account’s Tweets from your timeline without unfollowing or blocking that account. Muted accounts will not know that you’ve muted them and you can unmute them at any time.¹

¹ 😉 https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-mute
² [But we don’t doo that.] https://www.innovationhub-act.org/sites/default/files/2021-01/20210122_CW%20Final.pdf 😱”HEALTHY CONVERSATIONS!”
‡ “If NATO or the West go in with troops, then you o … —https://sputniknews.com/20220310/nato-entering-ukraine-risks-world-war-iii-swedish-defence-minister-warns-1093736215.html

Posted by: Laurence | Mar 10 2022 9:18 utc | 304

Olivier | Mar 10 2022 8:27 utc | 288

“Zelenskyy warns of Russian cyber attacks altering Ukrainians’ browser histories: “They can make it seem like you are visiting gay pornographic websites… Be vigilant”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 10 2022 8:21 utc | 283
Deciphering: he is visiting gay pornographic websites.

We already know he enjoys starring in quasi-pornographic gay videos.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 10 2022 9:19 utc | 305

@Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 0:12 utc | 168
SouthFront annouces “This site is currently under maintenance” with its logo on the page and a functional link to Telegram https://t.me/southfronteng This does not look like a foreclosure. Maybe a payment problem?

Posted by: John V. Doe | Mar 10 2022 9:43 utc | 306

Tagged as “Entertainment”: Episode 212: NATO (Part 1)
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/nato-part-1

Posted by: too scents | Mar 10 2022 9:47 utc | 307

https://t.me/swodki/36970
reportedly de-fusing of avia-bomb near Kiev by Ukrainan emergency services
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https://t.me/swodki/36971
A medical nurse. Reportedly, when UkroArmy was shelling theie medical car she covered a wounded soldier with herself. Luckily, the caar made it out of shelled area and they both stayed alive.
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Someone Jimmy Dore about Ukraine and Geneva Conventions
https://youtu.be/TIX36Gmk2qk
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https://t.me/rogers_kitchen/3558
Video: Russian monsters destroy Kharkiv.
Hartbreaking ruins on the shores of a beautiful sea.
Problem: Kharkov is away from all seas and even lakes, and the video is from Beirut 2020
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https://t.me/swodki/37038
https://t.me/mariupol_z/420
Reportedly, the photos of a “wounded pregnant woman” allegedly from what is claimed “maternity hospital hit in Mariupol by Russian army” – Mariupol citizens grew very curious who she is, but can find no one who would know that person.
Crisis actors is a crazy conspiracy, right?
UPD. https://t.me/szagatin/263
Reportedly, her identity is found. The local beauty-vlogger, indeed pregnant but never attended that specific ex-hospital.
Photo-session of “cruel Russian bombing” was made by the same photo-director that was earlier made mocumentary “photos from war” for Assoicated Press and OSCE.
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https://t.me/mariupol_z/416
Reportedly Ze’s new law.
All civic citizens, ukrainian and foreign, who took arms, now are legally considered UkroArmy soldiers (yeah, without commanders, units, banners).
They are indulged from any charges about using weapons against “persons committing aggression against Ukraine”.
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https://t.me/swodki/37035
Brave Ukrainian army, using armored vehicles to transport loot from civilians houses.
As in 2014 so in 2022.
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https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20223101033-5fv9m.html
https://lenta.ru/news/2022/03/10/cornv/
RuMoD: in Ukrainian bio-labs USA was experimenting with bats corona-viruses
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https://lenta.ru/news/2022/03/10/srochnik/
Kremlin confirms Russian conscripts in Ukraine, promises immediate criminal investigation how that could happen.
This is one huge f-up…
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Russia decouples from EU Council of Ministers
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17899587/ukraine-war-russia-british-fighter/
A “British Lion” merc is boasting about his bravery.
Russians keep exchanging his story as a hallmark of incompetence and idiocy.
https://t.me/swodki/37043
https://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic2410413.html
https://www.politforums.net/ukraine/1646900174.html
Came to the war as soon as he heard of it, immediately got into RuAF bombing, survived, was found and arrested by SBU and “actively” interrogated for being Russian spy (he was not talking American, his non-Hollywood accent clearly betrayed him being moskal), finally managed to flee form Ukraine back home.
I can only remember of “kenig tiger”, Russian blogger who inspired by Girkin/Strelkov media image rushed to Donbass in 2014. He reportedly was too arrested and tortured on suspicion of being Ukrainian spy, and he promised to have revenge “after was ends” on those who did it. He, did not quit though, and after some patchign in hospital rushed to Donbass again, just this time carefully selecting where and whom he joins.
I also can remember UK journalist Graham Philips, who returned to Donbass from the safety of his UK house.
We’ll see if this British Lion, now as he got his media day of glory, would go back to Ukraine.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 9:49 utc | 308

First post at this amazing site. Thanks to b and all of you.
https://www.codepink.org/let_them_kill_as_many_as_possible_us_policy_russia

Posted by: LarS | Mar 10 2022 9:51 utc | 309

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 10 2022 9:16 utc | 297
Thanks. I’d say that “swodki” tg channel seems to be aiming at quick reposting without checking, to be in the first wave of any event reposts… There were some even more suspicious posts there, and comments are disabled.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 9:51 utc | 310

Posted by: John V. Doe | Mar 10 2022 9:43 utc | 300
Presumably they’re on Telegram because their server host has shut them down. “Currently under maintenance” is just boilerplate for “our ISP is trashing us.” I doubt it’s a money problem, given the laws being passed in the EU that prevent any “Russian propaganda”. There are comments above that we’re concerned about this site being shut down. b should address that, and I’m sure he will, he’s no dummy.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 10:02 utc | 311

It looks like the Nuland Rubio conversation about biolabs in the Ukraine is being comprehensibly memory holed and the Russian data dismissed as propaganda. I saw and listened to that session and Nuland looked very uncomfortable, seeing as she knows she is UNDER OATH to tell the truth. However, Rubio shut her down and steered the conversation away from total disaster. The damage is done, it remains to be seen if people forget this too.

Posted by: Kaiama | Mar 10 2022 10:04 utc | 312

https://youtu.be/TIX36Gmk2qk
Someone Jimmy Dore about Ukraine and Geneva Conventions
Jimmy is a comedian who used to be on The Young Turks progressive Youtube channel, and now runs his own channel where he promotes progressive causes, as well as in his live shows around the country. He hosts people like Glen Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal and other progressives.
He spends most of his time attacking the Democrats for not passing single payer health care and other issue. He’s late to the Ukraine crisis. But he’s welcome to join in on the US/NATO bashing. Even now, though, it’s mostly about media-bashing which is his particular obsession (along with Glen Greenwald.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 10:07 utc | 313

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 9:49 utc | 302
https://t.me/mariupol_z/416
Reportedly Ze’s new law. All civic citizens, ukrainian and foreign, who took arms, now are legally considered UkroArmy soldiers (yeah, without commanders, units, banners). They are indulged from any charges about using weapons against “persons committing aggression against Ukraine”.
And all of them are now “enemy combatants” and not soldiers, regardless of what the Ukrainian law says, so the Russian will treat them as “terrorists”. Thus, they get to meet the Chechens…
And people think Russia will let Zelensky stay in power. Oh, hell, no! If he isn’t killed, he will be arrested, tried for war crimes and imprisoned for life. That’s assuming he isn’t really hiding in the US Embassy in Poland as everyone believes.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 10:11 utc | 314

USA has been caught ready to launch biological weapons attract on Russia from Ukraine, Kazakhstan and China where USA has biological weapons stores dubbed “labs”. Russian forces have uncovered a few in Ukraine. Russia must immediately revive its own biological weapons program and be ready. Other possible US biological weapons stores include Somalia, Egypt , Lebanon, India and Afghanistan.
The Americas are isolated from the rest of the world and account for only less than 10% of humanity. USA seems to have kicked an own goal and now makes funny statements with superlatives denying everything!
Why have so many biological weapons stores around the world!

Posted by: Jason | Mar 10 2022 10:35 utc | 315

I want to point the basis of propaganda, it is the so called illusion of truth effect. It goes like this:
False fact -> repetition -> familiarity -> processing fluency -> True fact
If you repeat a false fact long enough, our brain becomes accustomed to it and thus it is easier to process, that is called processing fluency. An easier to process item is asseessed by our brain to be more likely true than false. Evolution made it that our brain perceives threats by the difficulty to understand them, without us being aware of that assessment. If we had to make concious decison each day, we would be still lying in bed. Its called heuristics.
Heuristics are simple, efficient rules, learned by evolutionary processes, that have been proposed to explain how people make decisions, come to judgements, and solve problems typically when facing complex problems or incomplete information. These rules work well under most circumstances, but in certain cases can lead to systematic errors or cognitive biases.
Researchers in 2015 found out that this illusion of truth effect even works, when we know that the fact is untrue, but are exposed to the opposite for long enough. In other words: Repetition of a fact is such a strong propaganda tool that even the propagandists are affected by it:
The prevailing assumption in the literature has been that knowledge constrains this effect (i.e., repeating the statement “The Atlantic Ocean is the largest ocean on Earth” will not make you believe it). We tested this assumption using both normed estimates of knowledge and individuals’ demonstrated knowledge on a postexperimental knowledge check (Experiment 1). Contrary to prior suppositions, illusory truth effects occurred even when participants knew better. Multinomial modeling demonstrated that participants sometimes rely on fluency even if knowledge is also available to them (Experiment 2). Thus, participants demonstrated knowledge neglect, or the failure to rely on stored knowledge, in the face of fluent processing experiences.
Here is the paper https://web.archive.org/web/20160514233138/https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/xge-0000098.pdf

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 10 2022 10:35 utc | 316

Arioch #302

We’ll see if this British Lion, now as he got his media day of glory, would go back to Ukraine.

He would be crazy to go back as he will likely get another flogging by the Uke security clowns. I get it that people bleed and get concussed in a war but when the team you are there to support decides to bash you senseless, it is time to leave for good.
There is passion and bravery and there is stupidity, the lion has it all.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2022 10:49 utc | 317

The British Army is reportedly trying to track down troops who are suspected of traveling to Ukraine, probably SAS personnel who were discovered and then dealt with in whatever fashion their captors saw fit.
https://www.rt.com/russia/551587-british-army-fears-soldiers-have/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 10 2022 10:55 utc | 318

@Arne Hartmann #317
This site has a bug processing links with two :// — replace the second occurence with %3A%2F%2F (this weird character sequence is URL-encoded ://).
Here’s the correct link to the paper you referenced:
Knowledge Does Not Protect Against Illusory Truth

Posted by: S | Mar 10 2022 11:14 utc | 319

Posted by: NotGregBradysDad | Mar 10 2022 0:47 utc | 178 — “Why is China concern – jilted lover syndrome? Wasn’t it proven (more or less by leaked email from Fuchi) that US funded bio research lab in Wuhan China of all places?? I think Russia has more reason to be concerned about double dealing by the Chinese.”
Since you ask “good” questions, I can — pari passu — ask some questions too.
1] What if Russia has already shown the captured bio-lab documents to China?
2] What if China is playing tag team with Russia against the US?
3] What if Russia and China take turns to keep “bio-labs” in the news daily?
4] What if Russia already has enough damning evidence to damn the US?
5] What if Russia is going to drip feed more documents in the coming days?
6] What if Russia and China are leading the way to shut down the 330 US bio-labs?
7] What if Russia and China are doing what they swore to do when
they signed their Agreement at the start of the Beijing Olympics?
8] What if Russia and China are agreement-capable, unlike the damnable US leadership?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Mar 10 2022 11:24 utc | 320

Well, the block is centred around the NATO countries, but it stretches across the Pacific to include Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand, so I figure the name should account for that.
Posted by: Kukulkan | Mar 10 2022 8:13 utc | 287
Japan: WW2 axis surrendered to anglos
Fake Korea: Post-WW2 fascists installed by anglos
Australia: upside-down anglos
New Zealand: small upside-down anglos
I don’t see how the countries you listed compose any sort of objection or even exception.
They’re not NATO but they share the same traits: either anglo or cocksuckers for anglos, historical ties with fascism, but above all: a penchant for ethnic cleansing.
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Gotta give you credit for that one. Well done.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 8:29 utc | 296
Feel free to use it. It certainly fits.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 10 2022 11:58 utc | 321

> a penchant for ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 10 2022 11:58 utc | 322
In Japanese, sadly, yes. But in Koreans?

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 12:37 utc | 322

China already stabbed Russia in the back?
“According to Kudinov, the situation with the maintenance of aircraft and imports of spare parts is planned to be resolved, including through the re-export of components.
“As far as I know, …, China refused (to import components to Russia – TASS note),” he said, adding that the search would continue through other countries, possibly through Turkey or India. “Each company will negotiate on its own,” Kudinov added.

Posted by: denazi | Mar 10 2022 13:08 utc | 323

I can sum up this whole thing in a 3-second video:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1552d64d-98d5-43bf-b139-90b951f84ec0

Posted by: atanoi | Mar 10 2022 13:27 utc | 324

In Japanese, sadly, yes. But in Koreans?
Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 12:37 utc | 323
Well, in the case of Koreans it’s more of a politicide, given that Best Korea and Samsungstan exist because korean fascists backed by the US saw fit to murder some 30k of their fellow compatriots which were trying to establish the post-colonial PRK.
Not at all dissimilar from the Banderreich, or Francoist spain, or Indonesia.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 10 2022 13:35 utc | 325

Whether Prez Z is gay or not, who knows? But playing showtunes on the piano with his little z makes one wonder.

Posted by: morongobill | Mar 10 2022 13:55 utc | 326

@190
“At least under dictatorships people know their MSM is worthless. But I have intelligent educated friends whose critical faculties are childlike in the face of obvious rubbish. It’s affecting my mental state quite badly I have to admit…”
mine too. remember there’s nothing we can do. the public and our leaders are dim, and we have no power over events right now. best to play it cool and detached. the distress is real, but there’s no use getting stuck in it. take stock of the situation, draw appropriate final conclusions, and even the keel.

Posted by: line islands | Mar 10 2022 14:57 utc | 327

comment threads at MOA have been hijacked recently by 2 people
see y’all after the war barflies

Posted by: ld | Mar 10 2022 15:04 utc | 328

“DuckDuckGo CEO Gabriel Weinberg on Wednesday announced the rollout of a new Google-style censorship scheme to down-rank websites he says are “associated with Russian disinformation.””
So what search engine is best now please? Because bye-bye duck-duck-go.

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 10 2022 15:19 utc | 329

@karlof1 | Mar 10 2022 0:26 utc | 177
I know I’m late on this but the French lady Lavrov talks about is Anne-Laure Bonnel who went to Donbass to film what’s going on and who is now slandered by her fellow journalists.

Posted by: Francil | Mar 10 2022 15:30 utc | 330

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 10 2022 15:19 utc | 330
I’ve installed Yandex on my phone and my Linux machines, I think it works pretty fine. From my own experience concerning certain websites, the Duck Duck Go political deprioritation algos were in place a few weeks ago.

Posted by: veto | Mar 10 2022 15:44 utc | 331

Criminal indifference and complicity is also a punishable act. Not by us, by life itself.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2022 2:15 utc | 207
Your bolded words inspire me to stop lurking before I start, karlof1. We may lose the power to speak freely, but that will simply tell us more than words could which side of the issue is democratic and honorable – so thank you for this. We do need to take time out on occasion, but return here when that is possible. And if not, then perhaps the pressure cooker wobblie will start to hiss. Life will find a way; it always does.
Be safe, everyone.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 10 2022 15:46 utc | 332

Posted by: james | Mar 10 2022 6:27 utc | 275
Thanks james for posting that link!
And to Atiya | Mar 10 2022 6:52 utc | 280 as well! It doesn’t hurt to repeat – sometimes we miss the first notification (I am guilty of that.)

Posted by: juliania | Mar 10 2022 15:55 utc | 333

Am I missing something?
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2022 0:52 utc | 182

Yes, you, rather obviously are.
I aint so sure it be rilly yuu. . .

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 10 2022 15:59 utc | 334

1] What if Russia has already shown the captured bio-lab documents to China?
2] What if China is playing tag team with Russia against the US?
3] What if Russia and China take turns to keep “bio-labs” in the news daily?
4] What if Russia already has enough damning evidence to damn the US?
5] What if Russia is going to drip feed more documents in the coming days?
6] What if Russia and China are leading the way to shut down the 330 US bio-labs?
7] What if Russia and China are doing what they swore to do when
they signed their Agreement at the start of the Beijing Olympics?
8] What if Russia and China are agreement-capable, unlike the damnable US leadership?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Mar 10 2022 11:24 utc | 321
I like your questions, kiwiklown!! I will add one of my own:

9.What if Russia and China do not prevent their citizens from accessing the truth and speaking it?

Posted by: juliania | Mar 10 2022 16:16 utc | 335

@ NotGregBradysDad | Mar 10 2022 0:47 utc | 178
It’s really the Americans that should be “very concerned”, or more accurately scared shitless, that exposure of these USA bioweapons labs in the Ukraine will implicitly build the legal case that America is guilty of actual bioterrorist attacks around the world—likely including that little thingy called COVID-19:
Bio-War against Cuba
https://www.afrocubaweb.com/biowar.htm
JFK Files Reveal US Biological Warfare Plans Against Cuba
https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/jfk-files-reveal-us-biological-warfare-plans-against-cuba/
The Long-suppressed Korean War Report on U.S. Use of Biological Weapons Released At Last
https://valtinsblog.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report.html#.Yil85OjMJPY
Ron Unz: COVID-19 Was an ‘Anti-Economy’ Bioweapon by the U.S. Against China
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2022/02/04/ron-unz-covid-19-was-an-anti-economy-bioweapon-by-the-u-s-against-china/

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 10 2022 16:46 utc | 336

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 10 2022 15:19 utc | 330
Daaarn! Thenk you for heads-up.
There is already noise on reddit, hopefully they would find something.
Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/tb2rcr/good_alternatives/

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 17:33 utc | 337

Also https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/tay4kx/after_downranking_russian_disinformation_whats/
All in all, three names keep popping up: some Quant, some Brave and https://searx.space/
And there once was some Ecoasia
Dunno what them all were.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 17:45 utc | 338

Last one was mistype, found it under a bit different name
https://www.ecosia.org/search – maybe
Then any of https://searx.space – maybe
https://search.brave.com/ – maybe
Quant is pro-censorship too https://twitter.com/qwantcom/status/1498755728877801472

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 17:55 utc | 339

Okay, testing them on “Kiev bombing” – would there be ANY dissenting voice?
Yeah, it is kind of hard task, but that is what we use search engines for, don’t we?
https://www.ecosia.org/search?method=index&q=kiev%20bombing
the first not rusophobic entry is end of the 3rd page
Russia-Ukraine crisis: Donetsk residents accuse Kyiv of …
…republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russia-ukraine-crisis…
Last Updated: 22nd February, 2022
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https://search.brave.com/search?q=Kiev+bombing&source=web
Not a single dissident page, it seems. Yet worse than Ecosia.
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https://searx.be/search – enter: Kiev bombing
At the end of the 2nd page there will be:
Ukrainians flee Russian bombs as civilians are killed in small …
4 days ago — … masses fleeing the small Kyiv suburb of Irpin — as well as a dead local mother and her two children — amid devastating Russian bombing.
Russian Military’s 40-Mile Tank Convoy Closes In on Kyiv …
1 Mar 2022 — Russia’s 40-Mile Long Tank Convoy Closes In on Kyiv as Bombing Intensifies in Kharkiv … (KYIV, Ukraine) — A 40-mile convoy of Russian tanks and …
Those are still “party line” and seem to be just poor seach result (not perfectly relevant) rather than dissenting.
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Maybe it would be better with other keywords, but the first attempt is pretty grim.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 18:05 utc | 340

9.What if Russia and China do not prevent their citizens from accessing the truth and speaking it?
Posted by: juliania | Mar 10 2022 16:16 utc | 336
LOL, though.
So “banning RT and Sputnik” == “speaking truth” now?
Meanwhile… https://zen.yandex.ru/bbcrussian
Sure, blocking access to one-handed propagands is lo-tech and ugly solution, but does not justify callign propaganda truth.
As for “speaking truth” – even in USA it is dangerous https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/03/08/speaking-truth-to-power-ukraine-russia-war-separates-the-sheep-from-the-goats/
In EU it is immediate arrest now.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 18:14 utc | 341

If Nuland is concerned about something falling into Russian hands, why wasn’t it all taken to a safe location when the US started anouncing imminent Russian invasion? (/rhetorical)

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Mar 10 2022 19:01 utc | 342

Y’know after finding out that the US conducted/funded experiments with bat viruses in China, and to find out that the US also funded the study of bat viruses in Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Jordan, and now we know they funded the study of bat viruses and migrating species in Ukraine as well.
For what reasons is the unknown, and it is such a great stretch of the imagination to suppose that in order to derail China’s growing economy the US could’ve had a hand in the original outbreak in Wuhan.
https://sputniknews.com/20220310/us-studied-bat-coronaviruses-in-secret-biolabs-in-transcaucasia-china-1093749232.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 10 2022 21:08 utc | 343

One more search engine was suggested (in next day at MOA’s, Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2022 21:54 utc | 179 )
> I find Andisearch.com ok …. It started out as Lazyweb.
Tried it with the same acid test – search for “kiev bombing”.
5 search result, not a single dissenting voice.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 10 2022 22:25 utc | 344

re: Republicofscotland | Mar 10 2022 10:55 utc | 319
The British Army is reportedly trying to track down troops who are suspected of traveling to Ukraine, probably SAS personnel who were discovered and then dealt with in whatever fashion their captors saw fit.
My thought is that the Brits have troops trapped in the Russian cauldrons and are trying to preemptively fabricate an excuse for when they either surrender or are killed and their bodies are produced.
“Heck, we had no idea they were there!” more endless sickening lies

Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 10 2022 23:17 utc | 345

Dear Fellow Barflies
Dear B
it has been quite an enriching experience to roam through your pages and find mostly intelligent and well informed exchanges.
I surmise that it might be difficult to reach MOA in the future. I hope any hiatus will be short.
Best wishes to you all.

Posted by: CarlD | Mar 11 2022 2:08 utc | 346

Posted by: Jen | Mar 9 2022 19:13 utc | 43
“Think of which major US company will be in a flap…”
Nice double entendre, Jen.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Mar 11 2022 7:56 utc | 347

“Biden will have difficulties to find a Congress majority in support of such steps.”
Or, put another way, Congress is a Clown Car. Surely they can look at a balance sheet?
Apparently not.
And who would have believed that we have reached a moment in time where the Poles – the Poles, of all people! – have shown to be more deft at the diplomatic dance than Washington.
How the world has changed….

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 11 2022 9:48 utc | 348

@24 james2? “Can you explain to me why any agreement with Ukraine would be any different from Minsk 1 or Minsk’s 2”
Because by the time this war ends every single member of the Azov Battalion will be dead.
So Nazi “sentiment” will remain inside Ukraine, but the “muscle” that allowed that sentiment to hold sway will be gone.
Other voices of reason therefore might well be able to get their voice heard.
Just a thought. But I think it telling that the Russians put in so much effort to slice away the Azov Battalion from the regular Ukrainian army units and bottle them up inside Mariupol.
I suspect that the only way a soldier is getting out of Mariupol is in a body-bag.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 11 2022 10:00 utc | 349

@321 kiwiklown My take on Nuland’s little brain-fart under oath is this:
1) The Russians have released some (fairly innocuous) documents, simply to demonstrate that they do hold documents relevant to those biolabs.
2) Whether that’s all they have or whether they are simply being an outrageous tease is something that the State Department doesn’t really know. What to think? What to think?
3) So when Little Rubio gave his boiler-plate question he was expecting an boiler-plate blanket denial from Nuland.
4) Nuland can’t give that blanket denial because, gulp, she doesn’t know what the Russians have. Or don’t have. Whatever.
So she has to clench her teeth and tighten her buttocks and admit that, yeah, sure, there are “biolabs” in Ukraine.
And, sure, sure, she is very concerned that the Russians might take what’s in there and do Nasty Things With It.
Not, of course, that what is in there is nasty. Or is. Isn’t. Heck, this is difficult. Yes/No, Maybe.
If there is any coherence to what she said (and I’m struggling here) is that Nuland and Rubio were playing a tag-team to warn off the Russians from revealing what they have found in those labs.
Blab too much, Vlad, and we’ll stage a false-flag bioweapons attack and blame it on you.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 11 2022 10:12 utc | 350

@352 murgen23
“long time not been here.”
A fact. Well done!
“Most of marxist population are gone,”
Oh dear. A fact-free claim.
“replaced by simple mind US bashers and poutine fan boys.”
Getting worse, a fact-free ad-hom.
“I noticed a great loss in the quality of post.”
Worse still, opinion presented as fact.
“Lies are become even more common but way less smart.”
Sigh. I give up. Someone else want to try?
“before the drop, there was a surge. Y2Y, the action has lost 10%, not that bad after the trump saga and ukraine war, could be worse.”
I don’t know where you live, but where I live every ad for an investment firm/superannuation fund always ends with this little disclaimer: “Past performance is no guarantee of future returns”
After all, you can be enjoying a smoooooth ride, right up to the moment you drive off the cliff.
All downhill from there, of course, even if it was “not that bad” on the drive over to the lookout.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 11 2022 11:04 utc | 351

“long time not been here. Most of marxist population are gone, replaced by simple mind US bashers and poutine fan boys.”
Posted by: murgen23 | Mar 11 2022 10:34 utc | 352
So another one overtaken by the folly for war with Russia. Just as long as America or murgen isn’t touched. Nuclear war is a great idea isn’t it, as long as it’s in Europe.

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 11 2022 11:04 utc | 352

I disagree, the sanctions backlash will lead to the overthrow of Western governments by the people or by a military coup.

Posted by: TJ | Mar 11 2022 23:05 utc | 353