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March 25, 2022

Propaganda Does Not Change The War - The Ukraine Is Still Losing - Updated

Updated below (17:30 UTC)

This map of the situation in Ukraine on March 24 is provided by the French Ministry of Defense.


It is likely the most realistic and neutral one available. It comes with short notes about the numbered theaters.

Here are my own takes:

  1. The Russian forces around Kiev are making no offensive moves but defend against minor unsuccessful counterattacks from the Ukrainian side (see below). I have seen no hint that Russian forces strives to get into Kiev. It would be too costly to do that and for little strategic gain.
    But the forces east and west of Kiev are binding a big part of the Ukrainian army and prevent it from sending reserves towards Donbas.
    Yesterday an air attack or missile strike destroyed the largest Ukrainian fuel depot left near Kiev. The Ukrainian army will soon lose its mobility (if it hasn't yet done so).
  2. Kharkiv is about to get encircled.
  3. Dnipro is a strategic target that the Russian forces will like to isolate or take by coming up from the south on both sides of the Dnieper river as well as from the north.
    Russian forces destroyed a railway station between Dnipro and Donbas from where resupplies were flowing to the Ukrainian forces fighting there.
  4. After large progress yesterday Mariupol is now in a mop-up situation. The Azov forces still there have no chance to survive.
  5. Russian passage through Mykolayiv towards Odessa has proven to be difficult. Artillery is now softening up the Ukrainian defense lines.
    There are unconfirmed reports of large Ukrainian losses in Mykolayiv (300+) due to a missile strike on their barracks.
The U.S. has tried to use yesterday's NATO and G-7 meeting to push the Europeans towards sanctioning Russian hydrocarbon exports. It also tried to attach China to Russia and to get the Europeans to sanction its biggest trading partner. Both attempts failed. There will be no additional sanctions on Russia. And while the NATO communique mentions China it only urges it to leave its neutral position. Everyone knows that that is not going to happen.

The only thing NATO agreed on is the release of a new load of fresh propaganda.

NATO: 7,000 to 15,000 Russian troops dead in Ukraine - AP

A senior NATO military official said the alliance’s estimate was based on information from Ukrainian authorities, what Russia has released — intentionally or not — and intelligence gathered from open sources. The official spoke on condition of anonymity under ground rules set by NATO.

Andrei Martyanov looks back at the casualties Soviet forces suffered in 1943 when they liberated Donbas from then still first class German Wehrmacht forces. Back then there were more than 1,000,000 Soviet soldiers involved against some 600,000 Germans. Some 1,600 Soviet soldiers were killed each day in fierce fighting. We are now supposed to believe that the much smaller operation against a less fierce and less capable enemy in the Ukraine is killing 550 Russian soldiers per day? That's obviously nonsense.

As one anonymous Pentagon officer said about the NATO number:

"We continue to have low confidence in those estimates"

For the record Russia's Defense Ministry just announced that as of today 1,351 Russian servicemen have been killed and 3,825 wounded. (The losses of the Lugansk and Donetsk militia are not included in those numbers.)

There is more propaganda bullshit out there like this from the New York Times:

Counteroffensive in Ukraine Shifts Dynamic of War

Sure, the headline gives that impression. But only to those who do not read down into the report:

The asserted gains in territory are hard to quantify, or verify. In at least one crucial battle in a suburb of Kyiv, where Russian troops had made their closest approach to the capital, brutal street fighting still raged on Thursday and it was not clear that Ukraine had regained any ground.

But even this muddied picture of Ukrainian progress is helpful for the country’s messaging to its citizens, and to the world — that it is taking the fight to a foe with superior numbers and weaponry, and not just hunkering down to play defense.
In Makariv, another battleground town to the west of Kyiv that Ukrainian officials claimed to have recaptured this week, the fighting was also ongoing, Vadym Tokar, the mayor, said in a telephone interview.

“I don’t understand where this nonsense came from,” he said of reports his town had been liberated. “It is not true. We have shelling and we have Russian tanks shooting into the town right now.”

Here is more 'western' media nonsense:

The Ukrainian Army Has More Tanks Now Than When The War Began—Because It Keeps Capturing Them From Russia - Forbes

Ukraine has lost at least 74 tanks—destroyed or captured—since Russia widened its war on the country starting the night of Feb. 23.

But Ukraine has captured at least 117 Russian tanks, according to open-source-intelligence analysts who scrutinize photos and videos on social media.

In other words, the Ukrainian army might actually have more tanks now than a month ago—all without building a single brand-new tank or pulling some older vehicle out of storage.

The Dutch "open-source-intelligence analysts" who came up with those stupid numbers are the people who run the Oryx website and who were also the source for this Economist bullshit:

Stijn Mitzer, an analyst in Amsterdam, and his colleagues at Oryx, a blog, track losses by surveying openly published photos and videos of the war. Nearly three weeks into Vladimir Putin’s reckless campaign, Ukraine has destroyed, damaged or captured at least 1,054 pieces of Russian equipment, about four times as many as it has lost to Russia.

Counting published photos from dubious sources in a war where both sides use the same equipment is as dumb as it gets. As even the Economist notes:

These figures are far from perfect. They are a lower bound, only counting losses confirmed by photographic or video evidence. Ukrainians are far more likely to capture such evidence and disseminate it than Russian soldiers who have probably had their phones confiscated and are, according to the Kremlin’s propaganda, on a peacekeeping mission. Nevertheless the figures provide a glimpse through the fog of war.

The figures and pictures do not provide "a glimpse through the fog of war". They ARE the fog of war.

Russian soldiers are prohibited from carrying cellphones and from taking pictures. (The Russian-Chechen militia currently cleaning up Mariupol is an exception). Ukrainian soldiers do carry cellphones and upload pictures of all kind. There are often several of each disabled vehicle from different perspectives which makes for a lot of double and triple counts. There is also the inconvenient fact that both sides use the same Soviet weapon systems which often makes it impossible to identify the side to which a vehicle belongs.

Last but not least the authors of Onyx are obviously taking sides in the conflict arguing to send more arms to the Ukraine as if that would change the inevitable outcome.

Update - 17:30 UTC

About an hour ago the Russian Ministry of Defense published the text below.

Speech of the Head of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy

The speech sets a frame for the Russian operation in the Ukraine, explains the battle plan and the so far achieved results.

As the site is blocked or difficult to reach from several countries I have uploaded the speech as a text file.

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Posted by: Ronald | Mar 25 2022 17:07 utc | 72
"What are the chances that the West will recognize and create the political space to take the course that H-D believes can keep the war from escalating?"

First of all, he's an idiot. Putin is not looking to start a war with NATO. That's entirely NATO's options. People who think he will unilaterally do missile strikes on Poland and Romania over the US missiles are there are idiots. He's only interested in restoring MAD by countering those missiles with Russian missiles in Ukraine and Belarus and elsewhere.

As for whether the West will do what the idiot wants, that's laughable. The West is incapable of it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:42 utc | 201

watcher @185--

Here's the first report Martyanov made on the Vasily Bykov topic from March 14, although the attack supposedly occurred on the 7th. On the 16th, it was seen returning to Sevastopol as several reports confirmed. Here's the Wiki.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 22:45 utc | 202

@karlof1 #182:

That story was BS as you probably know.

The story is real. One of Russia’s landing ships, Saratov (launched in 1964), has completely burnt up in the port of Berdyansk. Two other landing ships managed to quickly escape the port, with one suffering a minor fire. Here’s the video. According to Vladimir Rogov, a member of the Main Council of Russia’s Military-Civilian Administration of Zaporozhye Oblast, a Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile was shot down by a Russian SAM, but its debris fell in the port and hit the ammo and fuel cargo of one of the landing ships.

Posted by: S | Mar 25 2022 22:46 utc | 203

The future of Ukraine.. it seems too late for Ukraine to keep it's sovereignty

"In what borders will Russia reunite with Ukraine?
Belarusian political scientist Aleksey Dzermant sees the future of Ukraine this way:

DPR and LPR stay within the boundaries of the regions as independent states with a short-term perspective of becoming part of Russia;
Novorossia is an independent state with the borderline from Bessarabia to the borders of the DPR and LPR with a medium-term perspective of becoming part of Russia or as part of the Federal Ukraine, allied Russia and Belarus;
Federative Ukraine, allied to Russia and Belarus, is the entire central part of the country with its capital in Kyiv and the western part, including Galicia and Transcarpathia;
If Federal Ukraine does not come out with a maximum in the west, then western Ukraine is separate, perhaps Volhynia and Podillya are under the joint control of Russia and Belarus, and separately only historical Galicia is neutral and demilitarized, the expert wrote in his Telegram channel.

See more at

Posted by: Virgile | Mar 25 2022 22:46 utc | 204

Posted by: Kim | Mar 25 2022 17:55 utc | 95

That is the same document issued a couple weeks ago. I've seen a bad English translation. Nothing in it says there was a Ukraine operation planned for March, 2022. Russia keeps making this claim, but the document does not prove it, unless the English translation I've seen is incorrect. The Saker was supposed to have translated and formatted that document - they never did. I've asked them again to do that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:48 utc | 205

WW3. This is a must WATCH Video. Incredible.

Mr. Shoigu and Mr. Putin says a big thanks.

UK's Defence Ben Wallace Big INTEL DUMP

Watch this Video which includes the conversation of the UK's Defence Secretary, Ben Wallace thinking he was speaking with Zelensky but these were pranksters.

Starts at 33 mins, Wallace spills the INTEL beans for NATO's plan for the next Phase of the Ukraine-Russia War...and that UK ministers are committed to war with Russia.

Wallace reveals the smuggling routes for weapons from Poland into Ukraine, UK/NATO planning provocations in the Black Sea and next fighting of NATO's involvement to include direct fighting against Russia and Zelensky should not recognize Crimea as Russia

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 25 2022 22:49 utc | 206

The western media reports on “scaled back” operations do not reflect the Russian MoD statement. RMoD simply stated what its decision making process was to explain how/why things have progressed as they have. Essentially to put a lid on the whole “can’t take Kiev so they’ve failed”.

But we must consider that from a Russian planning perspective, entering Ukraine could lead to a major NATO response. It hasn’t yet but it still could, and if that we’re to happen the last thing Russia needs is too much attention on Ukraine operations and the potential to not adequately respond to NATO. Second, we should take them at their word until proven otherwise. Initially there was a chance for recognition of DPR/LPR autonomy and neutrality which would have prompted calling back forces. That would be more difficult with a massive invasion. And third, the priority of minimizing civilian and infrastructure damage would also be more difficult with a larger scale invasion. (Though not impossible, just lead to a lot of military ability sitting around doing not much.)

Russia’s taking everything east of Kiev-Odessa. The next offer will be that it takes the far western oblasts. I remain convinced that Russia doesn’t want them, but will take them if needed.

On the subject of false flags, the time for them may have passed. Nobody except the US and NATO will believe it anymore and the whole point is to sway public opinion. NATO can just start fighting Russia whenever it wants. It doesn’t want, because it is no position to do so without taking a whipping. NATO knows that most of the Russian force is still not engaged and the continent has 20-40 days of diesel supplies. How do you fight Russia in Europe with a month of diesel?

Posted by: Lex | Mar 25 2022 22:51 utc | 207

St Clair Watch update:

Note this gem from "our Nazis are less Nazi then their Nazis," Jeffrey St Clair at Counterpunch:

"If there weren’t neo-Nazis in Mariupol before, there will be now. If a century of aerial bombardments has taught us anything, it’s that bombing radicalizes the bombed. They may go far left or far right, but they’re not going to forget or forgive and they’ll re-emerge wanting payback."

and this:

"Many people are wondering why Russia hasn’t conducted saturation bombing of major Ukrainian cities, as the US did in Iraq and Russia did in Syria. But unlike in Syria, where Russia hoped to get reconstruction contracts for what the buildings, streets and infrastructure their bombs and missiles leveled, the point of the invasion of Ukraine is to occupy it. If they succeed, Moscow would be on the hook for rebuilding what they’ve pulverized."

Russia's nefariousness is demonstrated by it not bombing Ukraine ENOUGH. NATO will try to change that, and St Clair can be happy that Vlad is as evil as the prejudices he cultivates with every breath he utters about Russia.

yeah, and i think the nature of the "campaign against ISIS" was revealed when Russia entered Syria. Who was it arming jihadis all over the place in Syria? Erdogan and Obama? Netanyahu and Mohammed bin KSA?

thanks to St Clair, I guess, for the comment from Sun Ra, who named Philly, not Moscow, as the most evil place on earth.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 25 2022 22:52 utc | 208

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 18:30 utc | 109

That's from February 25th.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:52 utc | 209

Posted by: S | Mar 25 2022 21:57 utc | 181

"Almost 19 years ago, I was at Paul McCartney’s legendary concert in the Red Square. He played many Beatles hits, including “Back in the U.S.S.R.” At the supposed end of the concert, "

Well, I never saw the Beatles. I was more into The Groundhogs, Hawkwind, Pink Floyd,Led Zeppelin and Neil Young at the time

I thought it was more recent than 19 years ago, I had seen Neil Young's legendary concert at the Hammersmith Odean (now Appolo) in London, and he was so good he got to Headline Hyde Park.

I gradually worked my way to the front.

Paul McCartney turns up to do the final encore.

I thought F'ck Me, That's Paul McCartney

I wasn't expecting that.

I wish I had met John Lennon.

My brother-in-law did.


Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 22:53 utc | 210

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 19:44 utc | 129
"i go back to my main thought on all of this.... the war on the ground is the one that matters.. the propaganda war is irrelevant as i see it... the real war trumps the propaganda war on all levels as i see it"

Correct. Nothing matters but facts on the ground. Whatever happens as a result of people's mistaken beliefs is on them. If the US or NATO does something stupid, they will soon realize their error on the ground.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:55 utc | 211

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 19:52 utc | 132
"I do hope this snares Bill Gates and destroys Microsoft."

AMEN! I hate both of them. Gates is an asshole and Windows is crap.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:57 utc | 212

c1ue | Mar 25 2022 20:41 utc | 151

oh definitely.. those azov folks are very good spellers, lol....

@ dh | Mar 25 2022 21:41 utc | 175

thanks dh for drawing olivers attention to that! you are exactly right.. cbc is just doing its job, being foot soldier, propaganda artist for usa-nato... nothing about informing people of what is going on.. that is apparently putin propaganda!

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:55 utc | 207

we see this exactly the same richard.. thanks....

thanks everyone for the informative posts.. i appreciate it....

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 22:59 utc | 213

24 March 2022 by Larry Johnson

Posted by: Virgile | Mar 25 2022 23:01 utc | 214

oldhippie @189--

Thanks for your input! I read about that event, the vessel caught fire and was scuttled lest its cargo explode. But that wasn't used for propaganda as Russia readily admitted the loss.

Stonebird @195, et al--

Agreed. The comment by xototox @190 speaks very well to the stakes involved then which are very similar to those now--Davos Reset, rules based order and quest for Full Spectrum Dominance. In a related development, today Xi took the unprecedented step of calling the new SK president elect for a discussion,

"during which [Xi] stressed China and South Korea's responsibility in defending regional peace and promoting international prosperity and said that China is willing to work with South Korea in building a fairer global governance system."

The vote was very close, and although the opposition candidate won, very little change in RoK/China relations is anticipated. And since RCEP just became operative, that's a very good omen for the Eurasian Bloc's viability.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 23:02 utc | 215

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 25 2022 19:58 utc | 135
"ZH has an article "Russia Signals It Will Limit Scope To "Complete Liberation Of Donbas" - Says "No Progress" In Talks".
"are they misquoting mininterpreting a Russian general word?"

Yes. Russia will not limit its operation to the Donbass and the southern coast. Russia will take all of Ukraine right to the Polish border. This operation is a "final solution" to "the Ukraine problem."

There was an article over at yesterday by someone who gave a history of Ukraine. Ukraine was once an "autonomous region" of Russia, i.e., as others have said here today, "the borderlands" - and that's what they are going to be again. There will be an "independent" Ukrainian government, but it will be pro-Russian, whatever the citizens say. There may be a collection of "autonomous" or "independent" oblasts, but there will be a central government and it will be pro-Russian. And it will include all of western Ukraine.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 23:03 utc | 216

S @199--

As I note in the previous comment, the event you relate was real, the other was false. Lots of smoke and fog drifting about.....

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 23:05 utc | 217

I hate to rain on people's hopes, but Canada in general is extremely anti-Russian (not just the Ukrainian population), especially in Toronto and Ottawa. Many of my co-workers and family have bought the Democrat's "Russia did it" narrative hook, line and sinker and insult Russian people (not just the state, but Russian people entirely). The pre-canned lines I hear the most are "Russians oppress gay people", "Russians brutally oppressed the Eastern European states" and of course, "the Russians hacked the election".

There is not one ounce of empathy for the Russian position in the general Canadian population, much less among Canadian politicians (a testament to the success of American propaganda). Thankfully, Canada is a pathetic forth-rate power, so there is nothing Canada can do with all that hate aside from stand behind America and shout encouragement while passing irrelevant sanctions. The best case scenario I can see for Canadian-Russo relations is if the US improves relations with Russia in say 10-20yrs, Canada will immediately embrace the new party line. Sadly, I'm pretty sure that the US is planning on a Cold war style conflict with Russia and China which will mean a 40-50yr conflict before things get remotely better (hard to believe that 2016 will be the high-point of West-East relations for the next 50yrs or so but that's where we're heading to).

Posted by: Kadath | Mar 25 2022 23:06 utc | 218

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 20:34 utc | 147

Nothing in the statement says the overall objective has changed. Russia has specified the objectives precisely: de-militarization and de-Nazification. Those cannot be achieved by limiting the operation to the Donbass.

People are simply misinterpreting the MoD statement. Until you hear otherwise from Putin, the two objectives remain. And there are real objectives beyond those, namely reorienting Ukraine and installing Russian missile bases.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 23:08 utc | 219

204. "If there weren’t neo-Nazis in Mariupol before, there will be now. If a century of aerial bombardments has taught us anything, it’s that bombing radicalizes the bombed. They may go far left or far right, but they’re not going to forget or forgive and they’ll re-emerge wanting payback."

Not true, wrong logic. Just look at the Germans, and the Japanese. They are as oblivious to their impending servitude to the US economic interests as lap dogs.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Mar 25 2022 23:13 utc | 220

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 25 2022 21:11 utc | 163
"So what went wrong."


"The Russians found themselves fighting against ertzatz Ukies but "NATO/US" trained troops"

You really think Russian intelligence is so bad they didn't know that? Seriously? Bullshit.

"With a very complete series of Bunkers and prepositioned ammunition."

Which are being ground down to nothing. Again, you seriously think Russian military intelligence didn't know this in advance? Are you high?

"The Russian descent on Kiev did not work, the Paratroopers towards Homel went a "road too far" and the heavy lifter planes could not land and resupply them"

Bullshit. What part of Kiev is 3/4ths surrounded don't you comprehend?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 23:13 utc | 221

@ptb #157
You are pointing to December 2022 prices now as if they are indicative of what prices will be in December 2022.

Yes, there are long term contracts, but obviously long term contracts aren't a major factor in actual supply since customers all over Europe are seeing enormous utility bill increases.

I actually was looking at natural gas futures in the summer of 2021 - that's why I pointed out that the prices for the December 2021 futures then bore zero resemblence to the actual spot and even December 2021 futures prices in November.

And this was well before the Ukraine "military police operation", but after it was obvious that natural gas supply to Europe was constrained.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 25 2022 23:20 utc | 222

Posted by: Virgile | Mar 25 2022 22:46 utc | 200

That looks reasonable to me. I think western Ukraine will be retained as part of Ukraine. It's even possible that the Novorossia and the Donbass will be reincorporated into Federated Ukraine as autonomous oblasts. But anything resembling that is probably fine with Russia. As long as there is a central government that Russia can negotiate with to get Russian missile bases inside Ukraine as far west as possible, that will be fine with Russia. Because that, along with de-NATOing and de-nazifying Ukraine is the goal.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 23:22 utc | 223

Posted by: Kadath | Mar 25 2022 23:06 utc | 214

Hint: Russia couldn't care less about Canada.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 23:26 utc | 224

Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2022 16:16 utc | 47

Ghost of Kyiv@1 Well Trolled.Of the first 42 comments after yours, 14 or a third, are replies to your idiotic and irrelevant question
Indeed, thanks bevin, and ghost, for teaching me :D. fell for the same shit i was trying to expose days ago after just reading one post. stupid emotions.

Posted by: xototox | Mar 25 2022 23:28 utc | 225

The Saker interviews Michael Hudson

Andrei: Russia has declared that she will only sell gas to “hostile countries” for Rubles. Which means that to non-hostile countries she will continue to sell in Dollars/Euros. Can these hostile countries still purchase gas from Russia but via third countries?

Michael Hudson: There seem to be two ways for hostile countries to buy Russian gas. One seems to be to use Russian banks that are not banned from SWIFT. The other way would indeed seem to be to go through what looks to develop as a formal or informal third-country bank or exchange. India and China would seem to be the best positioned for this role. U.S. diplomats will be pressing India to impose its own sanctions on Russia, and there is a strong pro-U.S. constituency there. But even Modi sees the obvious superior benefits of benefiting from India’s geopolitical position with Russia and China’s Belt and Road Initiative relative to whatever the U.S. has to

Back in the 1960s the West dealt with the Soviet Union using barter deals. Arranging this barter became a big banking business. Barter is the typical “final stage” of the deterioration of a credit economy into a money economy that breaks down. Over the medium term, a new international financial organization needs to be created as an alternative to the dollarized IMF to handle such intra-bloc transactions in today’s new multipolarizing world.

Andrei: These hostile nations would pay extra for that service, but they would not have to get Rubles. Is that even possible?

Michael Hudson: Presumably Russia would not absorb the added bank costs of avoiding U.S. sanctions. It would simply add them on to the price, after setting the price at which it hopes to end up with – preferably at the original “old” ruble/euro or ruble/dollar exchange rate, not the post-attack depreciated rate.

Andrei: Question: Do you believe that the EU will agree to pay Roubles or will they take the total loss of 40% of their energy?

Michael Hudson: They will pay – or be voted out of office. If they WERE to cut their energy imports from Russia, the distress-price of gas would soar and there would be drastic shortages disrupting the economy. Energy is productivity and GDP. For Russia, of course, this is an opportunity to make the break now instead of later – and leave NATO to take the blame for the interruption of supply. So if I were Russia, I would not be in a hurry to help solve the foreign-payment problem. The same goes for non-oil raw materials, from neon to palladium to titanium, nickel and aluminum.

Andrei: So far, this applies only to natural gas. Do you believe that Russia will extend this to petroleum, wheat and fertilizers and, if yes, what will the effect from this be for the world economy?

Michael Hudson: All Russian exports are affected by these currency controls, because all bank transfers are sanctioned in the way discussed above. Russia has no use for dollars or euros, because these can be grabbed. It needs to have complete control over whatever monetary assets it receives, now that past norms of international law and financial policy no longer apply.

There's a lot more - read the whole thing.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 23:31 utc | 226

@c1ue 218

Good timing, you caught me right as I'm turning this baby off for the evening.

"You are pointing to December 2022 prices now as if they are indicative of what prices will be in December 2022."

Almost. The price quoted today for a DEC'22 contract, will in fact be the amount paid, for anyone buying the contract now. That's the point.

More buyers will do that than buy from spot. Most will do something even further removed, going with long term contracts that are referenced either to oil or to gas futures with a time delay. Again, what you pay for delivery now, is a function of the strip prices at some point in the past.

Actual deliveries from the spot price, come December, is only used for small amounts to top off etc, bring physical supply and demand into balance, in case there's weather variation or a disruption.

EU is a little different than, say, Asia, because they have been trying to move everything into the futures market, but that's not the same as them insisting on buying from spot price. Few industrial/commercial buyers or sellers actually want the volatility and risk, that's something for the traders.

Cheers happy friday etc!

Posted by: ptb | Mar 25 2022 23:32 utc | 227

@209 You are welcome james. Quotation marks are so important.

CBC and BBC always seem to come up with the same spin somehow though BBC seems a little more subtle.

Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2022 23:33 utc | 228

Posted by: S | Mar 25 2022 21:57 utc | 181

19 years ago for you, in Moscow

13 yeas ago for me in Hyde Park, London

I had to ask my wife. I wouldn't trust her to drive a car. She walks everywhere, but she has got a great memory, especially if we were there.

"Neil Young & Paul McCartney-A Day In The Life(New Sound)Live From Hyde Park 27th June 2009"

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 23:46 utc | 229

Biden, speaking to the US military in Poland, hinted that US soldiers would go to fight in Ukraine

In a speech to members of the 82nd Airborne Division in Poland, Biden, referring to the Ukrainians, said: “You yourself [everything] will see when you get there. See their women… How young men stop a damn tank [with their hands].”

Whether this is another reservation by the President of the States, or whether we are talking about a full-fledged entry of the contingent, which the United States firmly promised not to send to Ukraine, one can only guess.


Posted by: Kim | Mar 25 2022 23:49 utc | 230

Global Times is making an effort to write a series of articles "and cartoons to unveil how the US, in its superpower status, has been creating trouble in the world one crisis after another." "This is the first installment". Here's the primary premise:

"In the eyes of President Vladimir Putin and other Russian political elites, the West has reneged on promises made before the Soviet Union's disintegration. Instead, it has, for the past three decades, been continually hemming in the strategic security space of Russia. This is not only an arrogant result of the US and NATO, but also a betrayal that Russia can never accept." [My Emphasis]

China accepts what Putin says without trying to make it conform to something else as the Outlaw US Empire has in its denials. Read that again--Russia can never accept. What is it that it will never accept? "[T]he eastward expansion of NATO." Too many barflies don't seem to understand that salient fact. Russia will not rest until NATO is rolled back to its 1997 status and a new security architecture is devised for Europe and the world that's based on the foundation of the UN Charter. Don't take my word for it; read what Putin, Lavrov and Xi have said about this issue. I have, which is why I write what I'm writing.

It's difficult to tell from this first installment how this series will progress. It's from China's POV, meaning the narrator will try to remain balanced, although s/he/they won't refrain from placing blame where it belongs as we read in this paragraph towards the end:

"Ukraine needs security guarantees, as does Russia, experts said. As the Ukraine crisis comes to a head, the US and NATO cannot and should not stand aside, standing on the proverbial moral high ground while lashing out at Russia without reflecting on their long-standing arrogance and prejudice."

What the publishing frequency of the series will be isn't provided. Hopefully, they'll be hyperlinked together for ease of navigation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 23:56 utc | 231

S | Mar 25 2022 22:46 utc | 199

Excellent video.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 26 2022 0:07 utc | 232

Yes, by all means read the Saker/Hudson interview; IT ROCKS!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 26 2022 0:09 utc | 233

The biggest news is that Izyum has finally been secured by Russian forces, and they have pushed a further 3 miles south along the M03 highway to the village of Kamenka.

That's a huge blow to the Ukrainians, as Izyum is a road hub, and one of the main highways leading out of Donbas goes through it.

The further down the M03 the Russians go the fewer options there are for the Ukrainian forces in Donbas to cut and run.

If they dropped all their heavy equipment and moved out now they might have a chance, depending on how disciplined they are.

Though I wouldn't wish that way out on a broke-dicked dog.

But if they stay in their bunkers then the alternative is even worse for them.

I agree with b: the moves around Kyiv are a feint. The airborne assault on Gostomel, the "40 mile convoy", the capture of Irpin, all of it was always intended to make the Ukrainian High Command fixate on the idea that the "Main effort" was going to be a Russian attempt to storm Kyiv.

And it was all a feint. The Russians never had any intention of doing that. Still don't.

There are more than 60,000 Ukrainian soldiers hunkered down in Donbas, and the "Main effort" of the Russians was always to point at Kyiv and shout "Look there! Look!", and then shove all those Ukrainian troops into a bag.

They might just pull it off.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 26 2022 0:14 utc | 234

@226 And how are the 82nd meant to get to Kiev when the other side has air superiority. They would be cut to shreds. Parachute in? And then what? Logistics, none.

Posted by: Oh | Mar 26 2022 0:20 utc | 235

Hudson’s final paragraph is pretty strong. Hard to see how far this will go or how the US will get there but there is very strong momentum.

“ Your questions are about specific problems and solutions. But the overall resolution needs to be system-wide, not patchwork. These specific problems cannot really be solved without a far-reaching institutional restructuring of the international financial system, world trade, a world court, and a UN without US veto power. And such an institutional reformation requires an economic doctrine to provide its basic principles. A New International Economic Order will be constructed on non-neoliberal principles – along the lines of what used to be called socialism, when that was what people expected industrial capitalism to be evolving into.”

Posted by: financial matters | Mar 26 2022 0:27 utc | 236

Why is it that nearly all of the shrieking, propaganda-laden voices in the West are Jewish, despite their trivial numbers as a proportion of the overall population? Blinken, Nuland, Ioffe, Gessen, Frum, Lévy, even Mitzer (associated with Oryx) in this article; these are but a few of the many I've seen in the last month, spread across the USA and its servile colonies. A rhetorical question, of course, as we all know the answer. This is not a war between Russia and the hijacked Ukraine; this is a civilisational war between Orthodox Christianity and Khazarian Talmudic Pharisaism. One either stands with God or bends for Satan.

Posted by: Ornos | Mar 26 2022 0:27 utc | 237

The Ghost of Kiev @1

Place and country names in english usage are well known; they do not change according to the whims or impositions of nationalist foreign or local cavemen, or illiterate journalists that run after every fad. When writing English, good usage is the established historic English usage, according to which the Lebanon, the Ukraine, sometimes also the Argentine, and a few other areas or countries take the definite article.

You are free to revert to barbarian usage, like Türkiye (with the umlaut but an Arabic term) for Turkey, Myanmar (historic, non-phonetic spelling in a foreign writing system, transliterated approximately for what essentially sounds close to "Burma" in the modern language) for Burma, and a host of other, ignorant spellings (including the many newfangled Ukrainian transliterations of old-established names), thereby proclaming an ignorance on a par with that of propaganda journalists.

And anyway, the Ukraine is obviously not a real country.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Mar 26 2022 0:32 utc | 238

financial matters @232--

I should have copied my comment as it centers on that paragraph too. The China/Russia February 4 Joint Declaration announced the coming of a new order aimed at bettering the lot of humanity, and the Putin Doctrine by exploding the old Imperial System has set the stage for the construction of a shared and prosperous future for all humanity. A rump of that system might remain, but overtime it will wither and die.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 26 2022 0:36 utc | 239

gottlieb 2 18 said;"

"Ukraine COULD have been a real country, if only it wasn't swallowed up by the Great Satan. Now like an old jalopy it will be sold off for its parts."

How completely true.

I gotta' start earlier, too many good posts to read.

Thanks all!!!

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 26 2022 0:40 utc | 240

@Ghost of Kyiv

Would you prefer to be called Twat or The Twat? I have no preference.

Posted by: Ghost of Mongo | Mar 26 2022 0:40 utc | 241

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 25 2022 22:26 utc | 189

Thanks old hippie

Posted by: watcher | Mar 26 2022 0:43 utc | 242

@231 Oh "And how are the 82nd meant to get to Kiev when the other side has air superiority."

No idea, but I'm pretty sure it will be Elon Musk who'll claim to have a solution.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 26 2022 0:46 utc | 243

The Ukrainian flag has become the ultimate symbol of Western, Nordicist White Supremacy (also known as "Western Values").

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Mar 26 2022 0:32 utc | 234

And anyway, the Ukraine is obviously not a real country.

Ukraine is not a nation. It is a racist theory about the inferiority of the Russian people.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 26 2022 0:57 utc | 244

Just spoke to a US friend. University degree, over 80 years old, that believes "Russians are killing children in Ukraine,"

I countered with the Pentagon's assertion that:" the Russians have been careful and slow in their advance so as to spare the civilian population."

He doesn't believe the Pentagon as being truthful in that aspect.

"They are giving Putin an exit ramp."

When I don't see a relation to Putin's position he gets mad at me and ends the conversation.

Demonization of Putin and Russia will lead, most probably, to a nuclear exchange. It becomes a psychological necessity for the populations so indoctrinated.

Posted by: CarlD | Mar 26 2022 1:03 utc | 245


"The figures and pictures do not provide "a glimpse through the fog of war". They ARE the fog of war."

One of your best.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 26 2022 1:04 utc | 246

I am impressed by the example of Ukraine where in a small number determine the path for the population. Most of the population of any country are like peaceful cattle, although they adapt to the evironment in which they find themselves.

Again I sense that facism (in practice) is becoming more widespread.

Posted by: jared | Mar 26 2022 1:09 utc | 247

karlof1 | Mar 26 2022 0:36 utc | 235

The massive change that has occurred in the world in the last month, various officials going to various country's - divide and conquer now seems a bygone era, many united by a common enemy, all set off by Russia giving the middle finger to US military power. And US having to suck it up. But that was preceded by Russia and China laying a lot of ground work. The changing of a era.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 1:15 utc | 248

Posted by: CarlD | Mar 26 2022 1:03 utc | 241

Demonization of Putin and Russia will lead, most probably, to a nuclear exchange. It becomes a psychological necessity for the populations so indoctrinated.

Yah, let the American population suffer like they never have under the sanctions regime. Biden declared food shortages...not higher prices but the lack of a food supply...and yes, Russia the demonized enemy will need to pay.

Posted by: Erelis | Mar 26 2022 1:17 utc | 249

"The only exit ramp for the US is to get the fuck out of everybody's face and shut down its lying bullshit."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 17:54 utc | 93

Statement I'd love to hear on MSM. LOL Peter....

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 26 2022 1:18 utc | 250

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 18:14 utc | 104
"In the beginning was the word"[...]

Sorry Paco, I don't think it's that easy. Your religion rather points to the moment in history of mankind where language evolved and distinguished itself from mere sounds of approval or disgust, therefore acknowledging a "before" and "after" of the appearance of language.

Only my point of view, yours may differ, of course. The thing you describe is man-made only: manipulation and weaponization of language. Best book about that I read in my youth: "LTI" - "Lingua Tertii Imperii" by Victor Klemperer - it's about nazi propaganda in the third reich from the viewpoint of a jewish german citzen at the time who survived. Probably the first (critical) book about modern propaganda, hard to read even in german (antiquated language), but he got most of the points i think.

And just a general observation at this point: ALL we discuss here above the operational level has been discussed countless times before. There are thousands of books about how WW1 and WW2 have been set into motion. And there have certainly been a lot of people before, during, and after those wars describing and analyzing it. None of them prevented it, and none of them could explain it absolutely conclusively later on. Just saying: the only purpose our discussion has here might be the protocolling for later generations of what the fuck happened. Might be a good idea to print it out too.

Posted by: xototox | Mar 26 2022 1:21 utc | 251

jared | Mar 26 2022 1:09 utc | 243
All you have to do is read the Goering quotes to understand human nature. The majority are simplistic primates.
the only prerequisite for an education in the so called west is to be a trained primate rather than a thinker.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 1:24 utc | 252

Anybody wondering what happened to the thousands of Azov fighters who were supposed to be in Mariupol? That's a lot of bodies/prisoners.
Could most of them have slipped quietly away?

From the photos I've seen..... they are dead.....

That was the plan.... in case you forgot.....

The Russians are on a roll..... "Kill them all"... in case you didn't notice....


Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Mar 26 2022 1:30 utc | 253

CarlD | Mar 26 2022 1:03 utc | 231

At high school age I lived through the early years of the Vietnam War in the US. Everyday the the MSM, jungle warfare and body count on TV, the big three networks. It became clear to me Gen Westmoreland and Def Secr. Robert McNamara were lying about the offensives and winning hearts and minds.

I tried to reason and argue to no avail ... lost all my “friends”. After the TET offensive of the Viet Cong in Feb. 1968, the reporters couldn’t hide the truth and student protests started, also due to the draft of large numbers of young men. The body bags started to make a difference. For every US soldier the enemy lost a tenfold ... simple multiplication and never mentioned the large number of civilian deaths in hamlets and mountainous areas.

I have searched for pandemics in history and mass hysteria ... plenty of research and Reports are available. Same as indoctrination and the rise of fascism ... the masses are scary. I

The nuclear risk is high due to lack of diplomacy and basic communication. Dehumanizing an adversary leads to a new genocide.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 26 2022 1:30 utc | 254

Patrick Lancaster's latest video includes interviews with civilians in a suburb of Mariupol. Their descriptions essentially corroborate accusations that Ukraine forces have been taking hostages and using human shields, as well as infighting between Azov and the regular Ukraine army members.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 26 2022 1:34 utc | 255

More on the definite article.

Australia, officially the Commonwealth of Australia, is a sovereign transcontinental country comprising the mainland of the Australian continent, the island of Tasmania, and numerous smaller islands

The Dominion of New Zealand was the historical successor to the Colony of New Zealand. It was a constitutional monarchy with a high level of self-government within the British Empire.

New Zealand became a separate British Crown colony in 1841 and received responsible government with the Constitution Act in 1852. New Zealand chose not to take part in the Federation of Australia and became the Dominion of New Zealand on 26 September 1907, Dominion Day, by proclamation of King Edward VII. Dominion status was a public mark of the political independence that had evolved over half a century through responsible government.

Posted by: Paul | Mar 26 2022 1:35 utc | 256

I quite agree about LTI. I read it in the Oxford University library after having been stationed with the U.S. Air Force in Berlin for two years (so my German was okay). That book didn't circulate, so I had to read it all sitting in that library, which took a while, as I couldn't -- and still can't -- read German nearly as quickly as English. But I still vividly remember that book. It had -- as it still has -- a deep effect on my thinking.

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 26 2022 1:37 utc | 257

I love it
Lugansk People's Republic putting up billboards in the newly-acquired territories: "Don't be afraid, speak Russian!"

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 26 2022 1:39 utc | 258

It is not too late to form your own local communities, which in my experience is going down the local pub, almost always cos there is a live band on, and talking to people, and asking if they know anyone can do a job, that needs an extension or a new toilet and bathroom.

None of us in my experience have got loadsamoney

The best tradesmen - a name completely castigated by the left wing intellectual liberal elite - have never lived in the real world - almost all rich from mummy and daddy, and their connected "art" grants.

Do not have to advertise. They get round to your job (take as long as you like mate) and charge a fair price...

What do you Reckon Love?

"Give him a BIG Tip - Cash"

That's how the real world works.

Its through word of mouth.


Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 26 2022 1:43 utc | 259

xototox | Mar 26 2022 1:21 utc | 247 "ALL we discuss here above the operational level has been discussed countless times before."

The future though is open to speculation. I much appreciate your input here xototox along with many others. Man is unchanged throughout history but the nuclear age has changed history. Perhaps put better as a turning point in history. The history of civilization is the history of war and vice versa. We see that turning point now in the not US emerging world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 1:45 utc | 260

re "Lingua Tertii Imperii" by Victor Klemperer:

For those of you whose German isn't quite up to snuff, do note that there's an English translation ("The Language of the Third Reich"), and it's even in print.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 26 2022 1:48 utc | 261

The "Ukraine is winning propaganda" in western media is in complete cognitive dissonance, now the Pentagon is claiming the russians have lost control over Kherson city. Ukranians, Russians and inhabitants of Kherson are saying that this is not the case.

While the laughable western MSM is on the one hand claiming the Russians are being driven out of Ukraine they are at the same time voicing a desperate plea from the Ukrainian prime minister reading : "more weapons now or there will be military conflict in west with Russia"

It is really cognitive dissonance at it's best and the general public is just eating it all up, they believe the Russians are being kicked back to the east and while that's is happening , they have to provide more weapons to Ukraine in order to prevent the Russians from coming to the west, you can't make this stuff up.

These journalists much really be loathing their own audience in order to sell the BS they selling to them, but I guess there already is an understanding that they are not journalists anymore, but information warfare combatants and in fact unlawful combatants, since they are not marked as being combatants.

You think they realize that IF ,maybe as a result of their handy work, a war between Russia and NATO would break out, what the legal status of unlawful combatants is in a war lol.

Posted by: Jimmy | Mar 26 2022 1:48 utc | 262

@249 Thank you. I wasn't really expecting an answer. I've seen a few pictures of dead bodies on Intelslava. Those Chechens are merciless apparently.

But it's hard to tell if it was thousands or just a few hundred. I hear figures of 10,000 Azov were in Mariupol.

Posted by: dh | Mar 26 2022 1:52 utc | 263

@ Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 23:08 utc | 215

that was a quote from cbc... not me!

as @ dh | Mar 25 2022 23:33 utc | 224, mentioned, although i put this info at the very beginning of my comment, i forgot to put quotation marks around it... for those who skipped over the beginning of my post - they would have missed this and thought it was me talking... reference post @ 147..

Posted by: james | Mar 26 2022 1:54 utc | 264

I think the point that is made (and I think Putin also noted) that "the west" promised not to absorb the satelite states into NATO is a bit off key - makes the claim seem rather naive (juvenile) as promises are made to be broken as necessary (that what it means to be sovreign).

The real underlying point is that "the west" seemed to understand and acknowledged such that Russia had this grave concern which would create conflict if not respected. Now Putin is reminding them that they seemed to understand this issue and the point still remains - harkening back to a time when there was "somebody home" in the US diplomatic system. So he is saying "refer to your notes. there is danger where you are treading. it is not a situation that I am conjuring because I am evil. I am bound to act if you do not reverse course." But the west is not listening. They feel safety in numbers and have big brother behind them. Its all about taking down Russia. I feel like Putin does not recognize that and he expects that they will "come to thier senses". Russia/Khazakstan is the last available readily developable resource rich region for the neoliberal machine to exploit - after that its off to mars. Russias got something and they want it. They are not easily resisted. It seems he sees that he does not have the capacity to resist if they take it to the next level - he should at least be warming-up the draft. Maybe it will even boost the economy. If he does not prepare for conventional war he will be left with unpleasant options.

Perhaps the matter of "the" Ukraine is important to some because it is treating "Ukraine" as a generic term since I guess it is or was so it seems proper usage would nominally be "the ukraine" or "Ukraine". It seems a name change would resolve the issue - Banderland seems to fit.

Posted by: jared | Mar 26 2022 1:57 utc | 265

Response to: Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 25 2022 15:14 utc | 20
The only thing that I see might be reignited again is the break up of Syria to allow for the Qatari gas pipiline to come through eastern Syria and through Turkey to Western Europe. This would replace Russian gas supply and also the costly US gas export (technically, they own the ME oil and Gas resources). I would keep a close eye on the situation in Syria and Iraq and the resurrgence of ISIS again.

Posted by: Tarduced | Mar 26 2022 2:00 utc | 266

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 1:24 utc | 248

Peter, its not east or west.
As you suggest, it is human nature to go with the herd.
And it only takes a few dogs to turn the herd.
Have you seen what happens to living creaters that dont move with the heard?
So it is "human nature" based on self preservation.
One finds oneself caught up in things, I imagine.
Facism is fiendishly hard to resist I believe.
To fight your enemy, it helps to understand your enemy - to defeat your enemy, you must become your enemy (Sun Tsu, neglected to mention).

Posted by: jared | Mar 26 2022 2:10 utc | 267

Tarduced | Mar 26 2022 2:00 utc | 262

Russia is in Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:14 utc | 268

the level of incompetence is incredible! this is a full version of the UK defence secretary prank call:

rumble dot com/vyc3hz-prank-call-with-uk-defense-secretary-on-ukraine.-see-description.html

he doesn't realise it isn't zelensky... he talks about top secret shit over facetime... he even gives away his poker tells (watch closely when he talks about the missiles definitely working)

apparently the pranksters themselves even cut part of the video because it would have drastically affected the national security of the UK

Posted by: Rae | Mar 26 2022 2:14 utc | 269

In the UK, the vast majority of us pay our taxes even me, as honestly as we can...

but now we have idiots like Boris Johnson and his embarrassing side kick - even worse than Liz Truss and the rest of the largely Indian People in control (who bring a liitle bit of relative sanity)

BoJo - We are going to send you, another 10 Billion quids worth of missiles.

And who TF is Ben Wallace?? You want Nukes??

I will have to talk to the Prime Minister First

The UK's Worst PR ever. Even worse than David Cameron and Tony Blair

Though I suspect, they are taking the piss or off their heads on the CIA's latest version of LSD laced with cocaine heroin, brainwashing and MRNA jabs

How can anyone can take these morons seriously??

Can't Carrie have a Word with him?


Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Mar 26 2022 2:14 utc | 270

The Ukronazis have been busy suborning the USA for years. Ukrainian Fascist Leader Speaks in US Congress, While Nazis Launch Racist Attacks

The Real News Network July 2018.

Shame on the USA Congress, the tools of fascism, disgrace. These congressional cowards are the enablers of the 2022 holocaust given half a chance. Cowards.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 26 2022 2:18 utc | 271

dh | Mar 26 2022 1:52 utc | 259
I watched a short bit of video the other day. A couple of Chechen's in full on fighting. They were happy as pigs in shit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:19 utc | 272

Will Russia still be selling their oil and gas products to Europe if NATO attacks?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Mar 26 2022 2:23 utc | 273

@268 Yeah ....odd bunch. Can't figure them out at all. Not so long ago they were fighting Russians. Now Mariupol looks like Grozny did.

Posted by: dh | Mar 26 2022 2:25 utc | 274

Tony_0pmoc | Mar 26 2022 2:14 utc | 266
Our fuckwit PM has several times threatened to sanction China. Pissant oz - 25 million threatening to sanction China of 1.4 billion people- the country that carried us through the 2008 financial crises... We have have a fascist, US tit sucking government no different to Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:26 utc | 275

ooops the system swallowed my post and link....

This is how the ukronazis suborned the USA Congress

or the real url broken watch?v=mlh6gJmmlN8

Or search utoob for "Ukrainian Fascist Leader Speaks in US Congress, While Nazis Launch Racist Attacks"

These Congress Members are the facilitators of the 2022 Holocaust against Slavic peoples. Disgrace.

Shame on the USA Congress and Senate - cowards all.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 26 2022 2:26 utc | 276

Posted by: Rae | Mar 26 2022 2:14 utc | 265
Also Tony

Much as i want to laugh I also find it very, very scary. Thing is is the government is run by people with intelligence and competence then there is a degree of safety- they will pull back before the precipice.

I am frankly shocked and appalled by the sheer stupidity of the UK leadership. I thought Boris was a joke, but when you add the incompetent, lazy and stupid Truss and this thick headed moron Wallace, it is clear that at least one nuclear power is controlled by the fundamentally stupid. Now we know the USA often has thick headed puppets as POTUS, but until recently there seemed to be a vaguely sane controlling arm, behind the puppets. it is less clear in the UK. Now is the time to be really scared. Nukes MUST be removed from the UK. They are more dangerous than Kim in NK.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 26 2022 2:26 utc | 277

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:26 utc | 271

I am sorry to say that anti Chinese sentiment is very, very, very strong. i have no idea how to counter it. It is deep within my friends and acquaintances, including many normally I would place on the left. It is disturbing.

Keep an eye on the Solomon Islands thing.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 26 2022 2:31 utc | 278

I wrote this for myself, but maybe it is useful for anyone who has an even slightly nuanced opinion about Ukraine. If someone screeches "Putinist troll!" at you, consider these points.

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Mar 26 2022 2:32 utc | 279

jared | Mar 26 2022 2:10 utc | 263

I don't agree with all of that although human mentality is 80-90% herd mentality. One thought something I have thought for some time is that higher education in the so called west reinforces herd mentality. so many I have dealt with that specialize in a certain area are incapable of thinking outside the box of what they have been taught. media and US bullshit further drums that into them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:33 utc | 280

Putin once commented on how dangerous it was for Obama in his address to the nation to tell Americans they were the exceptional nation.
Nazi Germany thought they were the exceptional nation. All the clowns that get drawn into the AQ ISIS stuff think they are the exceptional religion.

No difference between national exceptionalism and religious or ideological extremism. All terrorists, all extremists - five hundred thousand babies was worth it. A nuclear armed terrorist that a few pissants including my country are clinging to.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:45 utc | 281

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 19:44 utc | 129
"[...]the cold war era mindset is so entrenched, it is impossible for there to be any change! with my friend - the indoctrination has been instilled from an early age[...]

james this is sadly very true. I can only judge it from the perspective of someone brought up in socialist ("communist") east germany seeing and hearing people brought up in west germany. The difference concerning russia is just mind blowing, especially of course with people born way before 1989, but their children often carry the same views, not surprisingly. for almost all of western germans russia was the personified evil before, while and after ww2. the anti-russian propaganda was just not ethnic, but political back then - they were and are convinced the fucking commies/russians want to take away anything they own and work so hard for and give it just away, even to poor people! the whole anti-communism propaganda of the 1950ies just carried over. propagandists of today really have it easy, the narrative was only interrupted in the 1990ies when muslims became the new enemy. i myself consider i might have been tainted by too much pro-russian propaganda in my childhood and try to take a step back once in a while, but mostly i don't see the point, because i'm also a very rational person, and to me most pro-russian arguments make sense.

so i can't really be objective. but just a few weeks ago, before all this shit happened, i had a few conversations with a quite critical mind, a few years older and brought up where france and germany and the benelux meet. We agreed on almost all political and social views - i really didn't expect that - but as soon as i explained my view on russia and china he shut down completely and said, rather condescending "why, this is putin's and rt propaganda speaking". he accused me of having been fallen to russian propaganda immediately when i explained my view on the ukraine conflict, and that was 2 months BEFORE the *cough* military operation! last summer i had a very short conversation with a female superior, i mentioned that if i had to get vaccinated i would want to have a choice including the sputnik vac, not only the mrna stuff - her response was only "i don't trust putin"! As if putin himself developed and of course poisoned the vaccines!

i just told that to illustrate how deeply imprinted those views are in people which are otherwise either very critical or very rational and sharp in their field. It really is impossible to penetrate that barrier, argueing with them is a waste of time and mental energy. Only facts will convince them, but that will take a while too - because of cognitive dissonance and propaganda. and many still won't let go, even if presented overwhelming facts. This is just another reason why this conflict is so dangerous - it will deepen those imprints for years and decades to come, no matter the outcome. Whatever happens, the russians will be the guilty party the conditioned people will always blame.

Posted by: xototox | Mar 26 2022 2:49 utc | 282

Just spoke to a US friend. University degree, over 80 years old, that believes "Russians are killing children in Ukraine,"

I countered ...

Posted by: CarlD | Mar 26 2022 1:03 utc | 241

A possible counter not relying on Pentagon: "Yes, but only when it is worth it." This would commemorate the deeds and words of a notable American who became one of blessed memory this week, Madeleine Albright. For better or worse, USA is the dominant power, and the practices of a dominant power are copied whenever possible.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 26 2022 2:51 utc | 283

Keep an eye on the Solomon Islands thing.
Posted by: watcher | Mar 26 2022 2:31 utc | 274

I noticed that. Has been ongoing for a bit - I would guess their communications computers got hacked though it could have been a mole that 'leaked' stuff. The Abbott Morrison government have declared us as part of the empire, the wannabe rulers of the world rather than part of the Asia pacific. Now we have this media bullshit wondering why the small pacific nations are turning to China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:52 utc | 284

When Jay Leno used to host The Tonight Show before the dum-dum who hosts it now, he had a segment called Jaywalking where he questioned ordinary Americans on politics and current events, and for me this was a barometer on the IQ of the average American. Let me tell you, it was embarrassing to see how dumb most Americans are. So consider the number the cable news networks are pulling 24/7 on these unsuspecting victims who have absolutely no capacity for critical thinking and no idea where Ukraine and Russia are on the map. How do you even begin to fight the level of mental exploitation those outfits are inflicting?

Even if you know better, and you exercise your mental faculties, and are discerning of what is real and what is fake, they still manage to implant that tiny kernel of doubt.

Ever since Col. Rudskoy delivered his briefing today, the MSM is going batshit crazy claiming: Putin is scaling down because he's losing in Ukraine; too many Russian soldiers killed; things are going badly so he's limiting the operation to the Donbass to save face.

Ugh. These psyops are a total morale buster.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 26 2022 3:02 utc | 285

A looser claims moral victory and tries to win propaganda war.
Perhaps it was happening for millions of years.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 26 2022 3:08 utc | 286

Circe | Mar 26 2022 3:02 utc | 281

Your comment earlier on the ship. I'm not sure if anyone answered you. The port was hit and there was a fire and a large explosion. Although there was munitions stored in a warehouse, it did seem to me from the long range video that the explosion occurred from the fire on the ship.
There has been nothing to confirm it though, as in photographs of the ship sunk at its shallow moorings but I take it that did occur. A helicopter base in the Kherson area was also hit with MLRS sometime before that - Helicopters and other equipment destroyed. Shit happens in war and I would guess the officers that let that shit happen are now cleaning shitters similar to whoever used conscripts in the logistics within Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 3:16 utc | 287

@Tony_opmoc, #266; @Peter AU1, #271; @watcher, #273:

Relax guys, these people are neither as nuts as they seem to appear, nor as hateful of China/Russia as their rhetoric would suggest. They are just role playing, clumsily yes, but basically targeting the brainwashed western public and in particular the Americans. They may not win anything, but they hope to score some cookie points that would translate into $$$ later when they step off stage. The main issue is that doing what they are doing would cost them nothing. It may cost their respective nations down the road, but WTF do they care about that. Their whole careers have demonstrated the type of people they are. I just feel sorry for the nations that they represent.

There are many global politicians of the same genre. Bolsanaro of Brazil (now seem to be changing a bit :-), Abe of Japan, Lee Mon Bak of S Korea, the big mouths in Lithuania, and most of the Scandinavian head of states in the past 2 decades, just to name a few examples. They generated lots of anti-China rhetoric and western MSM publicities but caused hardly any damages.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 26 2022 3:21 utc | 288

Piotr Berman | Mar 26 2022 3:08 utc | 282

I think the loser was crying for indignation and sympathy. I think the loser accurately forecast our fuckwit government which has put all its eggs in a falling basket.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 3:31 utc | 289

Posted by: james | Mar 26 2022 1:54 utc | 260

Gotcha. No worries. I saw that further down when I got to it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 26 2022 3:32 utc | 290

Posted by: watcher | Mar 26 2022 2:26 utc | 273

Someone should inform them that the Russians can send a Zircon through the front door of No. 10, no problem. Probably one minute before No. 10 gives an order to launch.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 26 2022 3:37 utc | 291

I have been feeling that the current propaganda about Ukies winning is due to two reasons:
1) may help explain any future Western false flag and
2) these narratives of winning is what was prepared in advance for when their Uki Nazis attack Donbas and Luhansk and overwhelm the Russians.

Putin’s approach here is what he always said - if you know that you will have a fight which cannot be avoided then strike first. It does not matter that the Western propaganda is using this against you. If their Uki proxies attacked Donbas first, the propaganda narrative would still be the same. The voting in UN would still be the same. If the West could erase the bombing of Donbas for 8 years from the Western population (I did not find even one Westerner who was aware of this) then they could declare Russia the aggressor when coming to help.

Imagne how much weaker the Russian military situation in Ukraine would be now if Ukies & their Nazis attacked first.

Posted by: Kiza | Mar 26 2022 3:40 utc | 292

@ Ghost of Kyiv | Mar 25 2022 14:32 utc | 1

This debate over the use of "the Ukraine" is really silly. Several countries may be named in English either with or without "the," including, in addition to "the Ukraine," the Lebanon, the Yemen, the Sudan, and the Gambia, the latter insisting on the Gambia as its official name. There is no pejorative or belittling intent at all, and it certainly doesn't mean that any of these are not countries. As has been observed, many languages use definite articles to refer to countries, including French and Arabic. Also, how about in English: the United States of America, the Soviet Union/the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom, etc. Are we to understand that all of those are not countries too because the definite article is necessarily affixed to their names?

Posted by: Cabe | Mar 26 2022 3:44 utc | 293

Pete Jones said;
"I think this site is anti-imperialist, but not pro-Russian. US imperialism is the dominant power and most reactionary and warmongering force in the world. I don't think many bar flies would support the sort of society that Russia is, but its role at the moment is asserting independence from US hegemony, and if it succeeds then other countries will be more willing to try the same. That's why, in my view, the reaction against Russia has been so overwhelming."

Just nailed it Pete....

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 26 2022 3:51 utc | 294

@ Peter AU1
Have to fully agree with you here, the current temporary Australian government is an utmost disaster, totally incompetent and servile. Sending $100M of tax payers money in weapons to Uki Nazis instead of only humanitarian aid.. Unfortunately, in May it will be replaced by an even more incompetent and servile Labour government of the Australian Uniparty.

For a relatively small country Australia is $1.2 trillion in debt and rising fast. I would expect at least 30% reduction in the living standard over the next 10 years, supported by continuing covid-like government oppression.

Posted by: Kiza | Mar 26 2022 3:52 utc | 295

@ xototox | Mar 26 2022 2:49 utc | 278

thanks for the confirmation... it really is unfortunate.. ''educated'' people are as easily duped as ''uneducated''.. it doesn't matter... i am surprised at the lack of curiousity in people and their unwillingness or inability to question things... in just the last 8 years we have had a non stop onslaught of negativity expressed towards russia.. from 2014 and the mh 17 being shot down - russia to blame, to the dynamic in donbass - russia to blame, to the war in syria - russia to blame, to the skripal case - russia to blame, to this - russia to blame... the propaganda blitz and one sidedness of it all is only apparent to someone who is curious or willing to ask questions.. unfortunately we live in a time where people lack curiousity, or the ability ask questions.... instead people seem very willing to accept 1 sided stories - narratives, and if you have a different story to tell - you are a putin bot, or pushing putins propaganda and etc. etc... the ignorance and hate is so thick, you would need a nuclear bomb to cut thru it..

but even before these past 8 years, if one studies history, they quickly pick up on how russia is always be treated in some suspicious and negative manner... the boshlovik movement seemed to freak out the western powers after ww 1.... they signed the treaty of versaillas and made sure to keep russia locked out of it, in spite of russias role in ww1... same deal ww2 - no acknowledgement of the huge price and work that russia made in it, but instead - usa won the war... the bullshit is so intense and it is impossible to have a conversation about any of this, except perhaps with a very open minded person who hasn't been brainwashed, or accepted everything at face value.. like with my friend - i don't even try or bother.... we talk about other things, which is typical... on the other hand i have some close friends who see it partially like myself and are open to these different views on what is happening here... thanks for sharing xototox!


patrick lancaster put out a video today interviewing some people in the mariupol area which some might enjoy watching..

Church & School Targeted By Militants in Russia - Ukraine War

Posted by: james | Mar 26 2022 3:53 utc | 296

@ Posted by: Circe | Mar 26 2022 3:02 utc | 281

Yes, I felt the same.
It would be demoralizing for Russia to change course mid-stream.

Mercouris covers this thoroughly, somewhat humorously and easily. You will be heartened if you watch.

Posted by: jared | Mar 26 2022 4:03 utc | 297

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 26 2022 2:33 utc | 276

A lot of US education is increasingly (I forget the term so I use) pragmatic - essentially learning a trade. Because that is what industry wants (so they believe). Its progressed to the point of right-thinking in fact they increasingly dont bother explaining the derivation of concepts. There is no time for alternative views. My son found it quite unhelpful when I would tell him his teacher was wrong or at least teaching incorrectly (I did not get into the matter of lazy and incompetent).

Posted by: jared | Mar 26 2022 4:19 utc | 298

@1 and 4:

It was standard to refer to "the Ukraine" in English until relatively recently. My own preference as a native English speaker is still for "the Ukraine", because that was standard when I was growing up.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Mar 26 2022 4:30 utc | 299

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 19:44 utc | 129

This was a heartmoving post, james. Thank you so much. When it comes to painful separations between friends and family on this issue, as for understandings about covid, or further back about politics in general, I'm reminded of the biblical story of Lazarus - not the risen from the grave Lazarus, but the sitting at the gate of the rich man Lazarus. And not specific details of the story, but just the image of the chasm between him and the rich man -- and the final request to please go and tell family ... being answered that even if someone could rise from the dead, he would not be believed... that chasm and the impossibility of passing on what one sees is happening -- your post conveys that well.

It is a chasm.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 26 2022 5:13 utc | 300

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