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March 25, 2022

Propaganda Does Not Change The War - The Ukraine Is Still Losing - Updated

Updated below (17:30 UTC)
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This map of the situation in Ukraine on March 24 is provided by the French Ministry of Defense.


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It is likely the most realistic and neutral one available. It comes with short notes about the numbered theaters.

Here are my own takes:

  1. The Russian forces around Kiev are making no offensive moves but defend against minor unsuccessful counterattacks from the Ukrainian side (see below). I have seen no hint that Russian forces strives to get into Kiev. It would be too costly to do that and for little strategic gain.
    But the forces east and west of Kiev are binding a big part of the Ukrainian army and prevent it from sending reserves towards Donbas.
    Yesterday an air attack or missile strike destroyed the largest Ukrainian fuel depot left near Kiev. The Ukrainian army will soon lose its mobility (if it hasn't yet done so).
  2. Kharkiv is about to get encircled.
  3. Dnipro is a strategic target that the Russian forces will like to isolate or take by coming up from the south on both sides of the Dnieper river as well as from the north.
    Russian forces destroyed a railway station between Dnipro and Donbas from where resupplies were flowing to the Ukrainian forces fighting there.
  4. After large progress yesterday Mariupol is now in a mop-up situation. The Azov forces still there have no chance to survive.
  5. Russian passage through Mykolayiv towards Odessa has proven to be difficult. Artillery is now softening up the Ukrainian defense lines.
    There are unconfirmed reports of large Ukrainian losses in Mykolayiv (300+) due to a missile strike on their barracks.
The U.S. has tried to use yesterday's NATO and G-7 meeting to push the Europeans towards sanctioning Russian hydrocarbon exports. It also tried to attach China to Russia and to get the Europeans to sanction its biggest trading partner. Both attempts failed. There will be no additional sanctions on Russia. And while the NATO communique mentions China it only urges it to leave its neutral position. Everyone knows that that is not going to happen.

The only thing NATO agreed on is the release of a new load of fresh propaganda.

NATO: 7,000 to 15,000 Russian troops dead in Ukraine - AP

A senior NATO military official said the alliance’s estimate was based on information from Ukrainian authorities, what Russia has released — intentionally or not — and intelligence gathered from open sources. The official spoke on condition of anonymity under ground rules set by NATO.

Andrei Martyanov looks back at the casualties Soviet forces suffered in 1943 when they liberated Donbas from then still first class German Wehrmacht forces. Back then there were more than 1,000,000 Soviet soldiers involved against some 600,000 Germans. Some 1,600 Soviet soldiers were killed each day in fierce fighting. We are now supposed to believe that the much smaller operation against a less fierce and less capable enemy in the Ukraine is killing 550 Russian soldiers per day? That's obviously nonsense.

As one anonymous Pentagon officer said about the NATO number:

"We continue to have low confidence in those estimates"

For the record Russia's Defense Ministry just announced that as of today 1,351 Russian servicemen have been killed and 3,825 wounded. (The losses of the Lugansk and Donetsk militia are not included in those numbers.)

There is more propaganda bullshit out there like this from the New York Times:

Counteroffensive in Ukraine Shifts Dynamic of War

Sure, the headline gives that impression. But only to those who do not read down into the report:

The asserted gains in territory are hard to quantify, or verify. In at least one crucial battle in a suburb of Kyiv, where Russian troops had made their closest approach to the capital, brutal street fighting still raged on Thursday and it was not clear that Ukraine had regained any ground.

But even this muddied picture of Ukrainian progress is helpful for the country’s messaging to its citizens, and to the world — that it is taking the fight to a foe with superior numbers and weaponry, and not just hunkering down to play defense.
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In Makariv, another battleground town to the west of Kyiv that Ukrainian officials claimed to have recaptured this week, the fighting was also ongoing, Vadym Tokar, the mayor, said in a telephone interview.

“I don’t understand where this nonsense came from,” he said of reports his town had been liberated. “It is not true. We have shelling and we have Russian tanks shooting into the town right now.”

Here is more 'western' media nonsense:

The Ukrainian Army Has More Tanks Now Than When The War Began—Because It Keeps Capturing Them From Russia - Forbes

Ukraine has lost at least 74 tanks—destroyed or captured—since Russia widened its war on the country starting the night of Feb. 23.

But Ukraine has captured at least 117 Russian tanks, according to open-source-intelligence analysts who scrutinize photos and videos on social media.

In other words, the Ukrainian army might actually have more tanks now than a month ago—all without building a single brand-new tank or pulling some older vehicle out of storage.

The Dutch "open-source-intelligence analysts" who came up with those stupid numbers are the people who run the Oryx website and who were also the source for this Economist bullshit:


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Stijn Mitzer, an analyst in Amsterdam, and his colleagues at Oryx, a blog, track losses by surveying openly published photos and videos of the war. Nearly three weeks into Vladimir Putin’s reckless campaign, Ukraine has destroyed, damaged or captured at least 1,054 pieces of Russian equipment, about four times as many as it has lost to Russia.

Counting published photos from dubious sources in a war where both sides use the same equipment is as dumb as it gets. As even the Economist notes:

These figures are far from perfect. They are a lower bound, only counting losses confirmed by photographic or video evidence. Ukrainians are far more likely to capture such evidence and disseminate it than Russian soldiers who have probably had their phones confiscated and are, according to the Kremlin’s propaganda, on a peacekeeping mission. Nevertheless the figures provide a glimpse through the fog of war.

The figures and pictures do not provide "a glimpse through the fog of war". They ARE the fog of war.

Russian soldiers are prohibited from carrying cellphones and from taking pictures. (The Russian-Chechen militia currently cleaning up Mariupol is an exception). Ukrainian soldiers do carry cellphones and upload pictures of all kind. There are often several of each disabled vehicle from different perspectives which makes for a lot of double and triple counts. There is also the inconvenient fact that both sides use the same Soviet weapon systems which often makes it impossible to identify the side to which a vehicle belongs.

Last but not least the authors of Onyx are obviously taking sides in the conflict arguing to send more arms to the Ukraine as if that would change the inevitable outcome.

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Update - 17:30 UTC

About an hour ago the Russian Ministry of Defense published the text below.

Speech of the Head of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy

The speech sets a frame for the Russian operation in the Ukraine, explains the battle plan and the so far achieved results.

As the mil.ru site is blocked or difficult to reach from several countries I have uploaded the speech as a text file.

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@Figleaf23 | Mar 25 2022 17:43 utc | 87


If I was Russia, I would want an agreement that establishes the Ukraine as a loose federation of regions, each with the authority to secede if they desire.

I don't think Russia wants parts of Ukraine to break away and pass their own constitution that allows them join NATO. They want Ukraine to be a stable entity with a constitution that mandates neutrality.

Posted by: WhyCantWeJusGetAlong | Mar 25 2022 18:05 utc | 101

CNN continues to spread and smear its poison with the likes of Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper, Nick Robertson and today, even with Peter Bergen; the terrorist whisperer.

Is CNN embedded with the CIA, or is it the propaganda arm of the CIA? In 2003, CNN was in full overdrive pushing the fake narrative for war in Iraq. They beat those drums of war hard and fast into a frenzy of hysteria that gave oxygen to Bush's fake casus belli with the enthralled American public lapping it up. CNN was so wrapped up in Iraq with wall to wall, shock and awe coverage and embedded reporting with the crusading cavalry; like a yellowed rag wrapping itself around a rotting fish. It smelled so bad then and it smells even worse today with their coverage on Ukraine.

On Robertson/Bergen's Ukraine/ Afghanistan analogy today, I have this reply: the U.S. hated the Soviets, Russians now, so much that it lit the Afghan fight with arms and intelligence as it is doing presently with Ukraine's fighters, and created Al-Qaeda and its reign of terror that paved the way for U.S. war on Iraq and Afghanistan; both failed, extremely expensive military adventures that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of U.S. soldiers.

So you have to wonder: what evil force is the U.S. stirring and resurrecting in Ukraine today? Peter Bergen won't say, because just as he selectively regurgitates Russian/Soviet history, so too does he conveniently forget the most important lesson that should have been learned from WWI that led to WWII, and again the lesson from meddling in Afghanistan against the Soviets, purely for cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Yesterday, in the Q&A at the USNATO Summit press briefing, Biden stated that he ran for President to oppose the rising influence of Neonazism/ Nationalistic fervor that he claims Trump was engendering in the U.S.

Biden even unwittingly drew a clear, albeit unspoken, parallel between the attack on the U.S. Capitol and the Neonazi-inspired riots on the Maidan, in Kiev leading to the coup against the legitimate government of Ukraine back in 2014 that had his blessing.

What more proof is required to establish the staggering hypocrisy and continuing bad faith contained in U.S. policy on Ukraine to the detriment of Russia?

Peter Bergen won't touch that and so we regress with opportunistic revisionist interpretations of Russian and Ukraine history that fit the hate Putin and Russia narrative failing to apply the lessons of history that on more than one occasion led to the creation of pure evil.

Americans still have learned jack from history, but at least they learned to spell the names of a lot of capitals in foreign countries they mess with.

However this time is the exception. The U.S., the CIA and its media arm, CNN, have it finally right. This time they are really on the side of truth, justice and good for humanity with the wholesome American way leading the charge. So no evil will resurrect and blow back from this massive U.S. interloping, right? Great job, Uncle Sam with CNN megaphone--you all deserve a fucking medal!

I have a Bridge on the River Kwai to sell anyone who believes this time the outcome of perfected U.S. meddling will be different.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 25 2022 18:06 utc | 102

What's up with Dmitry Medvedev 'suddenly' (as it seems to me) expounding and being widely quoted on the conflict with the west?

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 25 2022 18:06 utc | 103

"Birth of the Peace Symbol"

"Its history begins in Britain, where it was designed by graphic artist Gerald Holtom in February 1958 to be used as a symbol against nuclear arms. The peace symbol debuted on April 4, 1958, Easter weekend that year, at a rally of the Direct Action Committee Against Nuclear War, which included a march from London to Aldermaston. The marchers carried 500 of Holtom's peace symbols on sticks, with half of the signs black on a white background and the other half white on a green background"

We have had one of these on now, our second garden shed, for a very long time.

We have recently had some very strong gales, and our peace sign fell to the concrete base, and broke into several different pieces.

She brought in the debris to the kitchen, and I said, I think I can fix that....except there is a piece missing.

She rummaged amongst the spring flowers, and found it.

So give peace a chance.

It's made of wood. Currently setting with Gorilla Wood Glue on a piece of cardboard on our Kitchen Table.

Hopefully it will be back on our shed tomorrow.

Tony

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 18:11 utc | 104

"In the beginning was the word", so hard to understand how something immaterial can be such a heavy load, more powerful than the most destructive weapon. Survival might depend on a simple word, like nationalists asking suspects to pronounce the word palyanitsya, some kind of Ukrainian bun mispronounced by Russian speakers since the phoneme ts -like Tsar- is always hard in Russian while it seems it can be palatalized in Ukrainian. So there you go, put an article or do not soften a fricative sound and your life is on the line. Now after many years I get to understand what John the apostle meant by defining the beginning of all things as the word. Someone I know thinks that the most dangerous people in the world are linguists, and they’re hard at work, their latest thing is to change all toponyms to Ukrainian and Belorussian, a suggestion from the State Department that all journos in the colonies are eager to follow.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 18:14 utc | 105

There is one easy way to tell Ukrainian vehicles from Russian. The Ukies use a blocky "pixel" camouflage, that nobody else in the conflict does. It is a dead giveaway, when you see a destroyed vehicle in this cammo, but with a Z hastily scrawled on the side and said to be "Russian wrecked equipment".

Posted by: JulianJ | Mar 25 2022 18:17 utc | 106

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 16:51 utc | 61

Suggest to your friend to read this book,

Victory: The Reagan Administration's Secret Strategy That Hastened the Collapse of the Soviet Union Paperback – April 1, 1996
by Peter Schweizer (Author)

It just might help her to realize that things are not as simple as she thinks.

After that suggest looking closely at this Polish citizen,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Retinger

He was a constant companion of Gen. Sikorski EXCEPT FOR ONE TRIP. The trip that ended in his death after the plane piloted by a Czech, ditched into the sea of Gibraltar resulting in all dying EXCEPT for the Czech pilot.

The British investigated the "strange" accident but officially found no problems. Things happen during war. However the report that the Brits had on this "accident" has been classified as Top Secret after the war. In 2008 Brits informed the curious that "all documents available" have been made public. Logic question is: "How many documents were destroyed or removed ?"

Retinger also has a very interesting connection with the uprising in Warsaw in 1944 where upwards of 100 thousand Poles died !!!!! This connection is expertly omitted when the subjection of this event is discussed. When Poles are confronted with this information in general simply have no clue how to digest the information. Sort of like one fool on this site who thinks WEF meeting in Davos are spent drinking coffee and eating Swiss chocolate. Move on, nothing here to see.

Now the pièce de résistance.

JÓZEF RETINGER
Józef Retinger was the founder of the European Movement and of the influential Bilderberg meetings. In 1996, the booklet celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the European League For Economic Co-Operation is dedicated to Retinger’s memory. In a foreword, Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands, the first president of the Bilderberg Group, writes fondly of Retinger:

http://bilderbergmeetings.co.uk/jozef-retinger/

Who is this man hiding behind the mask called "Polish" ?????

History is an onion and not a flat plane.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 25 2022 18:17 utc | 107

@99

Please understand that the population of Canada is ill represented by the current Federal Liberals (under Trudeau Jr). He found his way into power via his training as a part time high school drama teacher; and unto the big chair (as PM). The vote that brought him in was strategic voting to get rid of an even more malign PM- Stephen Harper.

For some reason, we just seem to go from bad to bad.

Canada is however, unequivocally not the 51 state. And I would posit that outside the Ukrainian diaspora, a great many Canadians understand, and sympathize with the Russian position. The Unctuous ingratiation to the Yanks is primarily from our Federal political quislings...

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Mar 25 2022 18:19 utc | 108

Any thoughts on Azerbaijan's violation of the ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh now?

Posted by: Adler | Mar 25 2022 18:27 utc | 109

https://tass.com/world/1411621
KIEV, February 26. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s proposal and is ready to negotiate peace and a ceasefire, Zelensky’s press secretary Sergey Nikiforov said on Saturday.

"I have to refute allegations that we have refused to have talks. Ukraine has always been and is ready to negotiate peace and a ceasefire. It is our permanent position. We have accepted the Russian president’s proposal," he wrote on his Facebook account.

??????

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 18:30 utc | 110

@ Paco | Mar 25 2022 18:14 utc | 104

Of course, St. John the Apostle (or whoever wrote that word salad that we're required to accept as the Fourth Gospel) came from the same culture and religion that genocided one of its own tribes, which was identified on the basis of its mispronounciation of the word "shibboleth," so I guess he knew what he was talking about when it comes to words.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2022 18:31 utc | 111

Henceforth, going forward and in permanent perpetuality please refer to my country as The Canada (tm).

Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 25 2022 17:53 utc | 92

When I was born, the full name was "The Dominion of Canada".

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 25 2022 18:32 utc | 112

re 109, I forgot which month it was.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 18:36 utc | 113

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 18:11 utc | 103

Anglosaxons are best known for copyrighting even the lousiest Hollywood movie, but they're certainly quick to adopt anything from any other culture since all other cultures do not enjoy the privilege of copyright. Ask any young fellow what Pandora is and he'll tell you it is something from some Hollywood movie

The peace sign was inspired by a painting by Francisco De Goya y Lucientes, and by the way relating to my previous post, Francisco would be a perfect shibboleth word to test for a native peninsular Spanish speaker.

Goya and the peace sign

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 18:36 utc | 114

What's up with Dmitry Medvedev 'suddenly' (as it seems to me) expounding and being widely quoted on the conflict with the west?

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 25 2022 18:06 utc | 102

That has been a topic in our household as well. We suspect that after his "demotion" a couple of years ago, he has been rehabilitated and again a potential successor to the throne.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 25 2022 18:38 utc | 115

Once Donbass and luhansk are secure and demilitization,denazification is complete Russia will Demand Important positions in Ukraine Govt Structure as part of Deal.
This will solve the legitimately of their presence and give them reassurance of Ukraine's Independence.Then completion of denazification could even continue after peace agreement reached,imo

Posted by: Kim | Mar 25 2022 18:38 utc | 116

The numbers given by Zelensky were the most ridiculous of all. He said a couple of times this month that a thousand Russian soldiers a day were being killed. On 2 March he said six thousand and on 5 March he said ten thousand. He said in the same video on 2 March that Russia bombed the Baba Yar holocaust memorial in Lviv.

And today Ukrainian officials have not just repeated the fantasy that Russia bombed a theatre in Mariupol where civilians were sheltering - they've doubled down on it by saying that 300 were killed there. Not surprisingly, many of the main western media organisations published this as a headline as if it were true.

Posted by: Brendan | Mar 25 2022 18:43 utc | 117

I have updated the above piece with the speech the Russian military command has made this afternoon about the operation in the Ukraine.

Posted by: b | Mar 25 2022 18:53 utc | 118

@Ronald | 72

I think Homer-Dixon is not listening and he misses the point.

I realize that many good thinking persons and decent journalists in the US have listening disabilities when it comes to foreign cultures. Most just read English translations of important texts and the translations may be incorrect even the ones coming from the UN. When covering events in foreign countries the journalists are bused to a number of sites and they rely on interpreters who may be ideologically biased. By contrast a much larger proportion of the people around the world can read English. So there is a big communication problem when it comes to US elites getting an accurate picture of international events; basically they can't. This is one weakness that comes with the status of Hegemon.

Posted by: Richard L | Mar 25 2022 19:06 utc | 119

Many thanks for making the Rudskov speech available. I think, as a rule, the losing side resorts to the types of information suppression that we see from the western media. That speaks volumes all by it's lonesome.

Again, thanks.

Posted by: rgl | Mar 25 2022 19:10 utc | 120

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 18:36 utc | 113

Thanks for the reply

"Anglosaxons are best known for copyrighting even the lousiest Hollywood movie"

Charlie Chaplin born in South London, where I am currently posting from, went to Hollywood and eventually did a Film with Sound "The Great Dictator: The film that dared to laugh at Hitler"

I searched for "Francisco De Goya y Lucientes Peace Sign", and found no peace sign, but a painting of people facing a firing squad. Whilst it may have been in Italy, the people doing the shooting wore furry hats. Only our idiot politicians do that to look very silly.

I also like Spanish and Italian people, but have never been to the USA.

My lad went there with the Scouts, when he was 12 years old, and came back in the year 2000, to tell me, they are all mad. They are preparing for war. There was no war in 2000.

We were all celebrating The New Millennium.

But the neocons from the Ukraine and their PNAC team had other ideas.

Tony

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 19:11 utc | 121

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Mar 25 2022 18:19 utc | 107

In Canada the Ukrainian anti-Russia lobby is to a lesser degree the equivalent of the Jewish pro-Israel lobby in the USA. They have infiltrated the Canadian government as the highest level with strong influence on the politic of the country.
Chrystia Freeland , Vice Prime Minister of Canada and Minister of Finance is Ukrainian with Nazi sympathizers parents. She is the discreet 'eminence grise" behind young Trudeau and is often perceived as a active US agent.

Posted by: virgile | Mar 25 2022 19:14 utc | 122

to Sternberg | Mar 25 2022 14:46 utc | 4
and to #1 Ghost of Kiev and other posters
"....in German you would say "the Ukraine" (die Ukraine). harmless mistake."


actually it's not a mistake, it's proper English (and for b, a literal translation from proper German) ....for English speakers, depends on the sentence:

there are long lines at gas stations these days in THE United Kingdom
there will be long lines at food stores soon in THE United States of America, or ...IN America
there is a military operation these days in THE Ukraine ......or in Ukraine. first sounds better to me

But you don't say there's long lines in The Belgium, in The Venezuela, in The Russia, etc etc
But yes, there are many factories in THE Philippines, not simply ...many factories in Philippines

Can some linguist tell us more and clear this up :):)

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 25 2022 19:29 utc | 123

Found on Zerohedge

And look what's coming down the pike:

https://southfront.org/russia-creates-new-economic-reality/

Poland’s proposal to deploy NATO military units in Ukraine was rejected. However, this does not exclude the possibility of Poland’s participation in the war in Ukraine outside the alliance. Warsaw intends to introduce its contingent in the western regions of Ukraine to support the “fraternal Ukrainian people” and not miss the opportunity to establish its own control over the historically disputed territories. Apparently, this will be the main topic of negotiations between Biden and Duda on March 25.

If Biden allows Poland to send troops to Ukraine, it will most likely push Belarus to enter into the conflict in order to take control of the regions of Polesie and Volyn.

The Kiev authorities have completely destroyed the sovereignty of the state, and in the new realities, Ukraine risks losing almost all its territories and ceasing to exist."

And what about Hungary? Romania? Slovakia?It also has “fraternal Ukrainian people” in the UE

Will PL be sanction? Will Hungary be sanctioned?

You will note that V.P. said this very thing a week or so ago. It has now been backed up by the RU Foreign dept. spokeswoman. You are seeing the dissolution of the UE in real time.

See this european animated map: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2400-years-of-european-history/

Posted by: bobert | Mar 25 2022 19:30 utc | 124

Ronald | Mar 25 2022 17:07 utc | 72

Quote: “The only exit ramp for the US is to get the fuck out of everybody's face and shut down its lying bullshit.”
In its simple eloquence and simplicity, the above statement is unquestionably the best advice the U.S has received since the invasion of Iraq.

It would be well-advised to heed it.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Mar 25 2022 19:31 utc | 125

Ghost of Kyiv | Mar 25 2022 14:32 utc | 1

Why does Barnard keep referring to Ukraine as "the Ukraine"? Is he some sort of East German Communist who regurgitates nonsense theories about Ukraine not being a real country?
Probably the same reason people refer to "The Bahamas", "The Maldives", "The Gambia", "The Netherlands" "The Democratic Republic of the Congo" and "The United States of America". It's the name of the country.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Mar 25 2022 15:07 utc | 17

Okay then right you are Ghost of Kiev.. so from now on when someone asks I'll tell them I live in The Canada.. thanks so much for setting it straight. You're a peach!

Posted by: RiNS | Mar 25 2022 19:38 utc | 126

Saker has a policy of not allowing any tedious, completely useless discussion of “The Ukraine”. I suggest it be adopted here as well.

Posted by: RootBier | Mar 25 2022 19:38 utc | 127

At least by the 60s, people in my area commonly said "the Ukraine" -- just as we also said "Peking." Of course, I lived in the PA Dutch country, and in German, they say die Ukraine. Don't know if we were influenced by local dialect but I doubt it. I don't know at what point that changed to the name without the article. I suspect this author is an older guy who still uses "the" Ukraine. There's nothing sinister about it at all.

Posted by: Lateinamerikaner | Mar 25 2022 19:39 utc | 128

Can some linguist tell us more and clear this up :):)
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 25 2022 19:29 utc | 122

Simple - when talking to a Ukraine nationalist type with a fictional history, always use 'The Ukraine' just to wind them up

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 19:42 utc | 129

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 19:11 utc | 120

I might've been a bit rude but if I go to Utube I can watch basically any Russian movie with no restriction, for free, but if I try to watch a Hollywood film I have to pay. Human knowledge is cumulative, if Bill Gates charges ad infinitum for his faulty software shouldn't he pay royalties to the Maya for inventing the zero? I can think of other instances of piracy by the pirates and lament the damage done to progress by restricting knowledge, I'm sure some of the bar patrons could analyze a lot better than me the injustices of the patents system so I'll leave it at that. Here from wikipedia, look carefully at Goya's painting, look at the arms of the shot guy on the floor and at the guy just about to be shot with his extended arms, that will do it.

The symbol is a super-imposition of the semaphore signals for the letters "N" and "D", taken to stand for "nuclear disarmament",[2] while simultaneously acting as a reference to Goya's The Third of May 1808 (1814) (aka "Peasant Before the Firing Squad").[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_symbols

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 19:43 utc | 130

tom_12

i just replied to you with a long message.. it is in the cue and will show up here later... i will however try one more time right now..

Tom_12 | Mar 25 2022 18:17 utc | 106

thanks tom... she is resistant to learning more.. most people appear to have a very thin understanding of history, or of the current crisis in the world today, manifest in part via what is happening in ukraine... it is unfortunate, but what i have noticed especially since the covid dynamic is how people automatically go along with the mainstream viewpoint for the most part.. it is only later that a segment that at first went along with the main theme as presented, start to really question the whole narrative... i had it explained to me there are 3 groups which can be broken down as such... the first group goes along with the narrative - they form the largest group.. a much smaller 2nd group is opposed to the main narrative... the 3rd group sit on the fence and wait until more information becomes available.... this 3rd group is interesting as they are more fluid and receptive to the idea that the narrative they are given, is not in fact the reality of the matter... often times they remain silent and don't try to persuade others of their new position or conclusions...

i think it is different here with this conflict... in the msm the narrative is russia = bad, ukraine = good, and zelensky = amazing courageous hero.... what is going to happen here is a lot of the narrative is going to break down, but it is going to take time... the bigger problem as i see it is this narrative on russia = bad, has been generated aggressively for the past 10 years, or maybe it could be argued for the past 100 or more years - is hard to alter.. think of a person like pat lang - the cold war era mindset is so entrenched, it is impossible for there to be any change! with my friend - the indoctrination has been instilled from an early age.. i don't imagine there is room for change... she has basically said she is not into the details, or taking a closer look at any of it... she has basically shot herself in the foot in terms of her position and thus her position is for the most part - completely irrelevant.. she will go along with whatever narrative is presented to her, like many people in fact! i don't see the point in trying to change a person who is set in their ways... it is pointless...

i go back to my main thought on all of this.... the war on the ground is the one that matters.. the propaganda war is irrelevant as i see it... the real war trumps the propaganda war on all levels as i see it... thanks for sharing all of what you shared... i think people will eventually come around to a different way of framing what is happening here now... it might take another generation for the perspective to shift... everyone needs to have a better grasp of history and so few do it seems... perhaps this is partly explained by some of the way history is presented as being more propaganda then history... some one made a comment earlier about how hollywood presents the winners of ww2... that might be an example that is not worth focusing on.. i guess i am rambling at this point... thanks for trying to help!

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 19:44 utc | 131

Paco @113--

Today's Cultural Workers Day in Russia and Putin gave a short speech denouncing Cancel Culture as no different from Nazism. I wrote a short intro in my republication of his remarks that precede meeting Russia's outstanding Cultural workers from the past year since many can't access the Kremlin's website. I know you'll enjoy what Putin has to say.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 19:44 utc | 132

Russian digital newspaper Vzglyad on Telegram: - what i find entertaining is the part about - 'does not comply with the concluded contracts" since when did these fuckers give a shit about contractual agreements?

Macron's statement following the EU summit:

🔹 The world grain market will be very unstable in the next year and a half.

🔹 France, Greece and Turkey want to carry out an operation to evacuate the residents remaining in Mariupol, Macron said. He intends to have a conversation with Putin in the coming hours to discuss this issue.

🔹 The requirement to pay for Russian gas in rubles does not comply with the concluded contracts.

🔹 The European Commission will receive a mandate to jointly purchase gas. “We have given the European Commission the power to regulate various instruments in the energy market, especially with regard to the price limit (for gas). For the first time, it was decided that the European Commission would receive a mandate to make general energy purchases.”

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 19:50 utc | 133

Paco @128--

Speaking of Microsoft, "Whistleblower exposes Microsoft’s massive foreign bribery network: Employee claims half the tech giant’s salespeople & managers were involved in $200mn annual kickback scheme."

I do hope this snares Bill Gates and destroys Microsoft.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 19:51 utc | 134

I see RT links are still being blocked, so I removed the link from my comment.

Paco @128--

Speaking of Microsoft, "Whistleblower exposes Microsoft’s massive foreign bribery network: Employee claims half the tech giant’s salespeople & managers were involved in $200mn annual kickback scheme."

I do hope this snares Bill Gates and destroys Microsoft.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 19:52 utc | 135

Gege #40

Right on. The only thing the Poles should get from free Ukraine is downstream sewage.

There will be no partition of THE Ukraine.

If there is to be partitioning then its Turkey first with the old Armenia in the east and the grey wolves in the West. After that Germany is an option ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2022 19:54 utc | 136

@ b.

Thanks for this Update.

Very interesting.

In addition, at the initiative of the Ukrainian leadership, the country has become a home to 6,595 foreign mercenaries and terrorists from 62 states.

They are not subject to the rules of war and will be ruthlessly destroyed.

Today, the number of foreign mercenaries is declining. This was facilitated by high-precision strikes on their bases and training camps. On March 13, more than 200 militants were killed and more than 400 wounded in Starichi and at the Yavorovskii training ground alone.

I note that not a single foreign mercenary has arrived in Ukraine in the last seven days. On the contrary, there has been an outflow. Within a week, 285 fighters escaped into Poland, Hungary and Romania, I hope without Stingers and Javelins.

(emphasis added)


So the yahoo mercs are fleeing back to their Mommsies, declining the collective greetings of Mr. Kinzhal and Mr. Kalibr.

OTOH.

“We receive a large number of appeals from Russian citizens wishing to take part in the special military operation to liberate Ukraine from Nazism.

In addition, more than 23,000 foreigners from 37 countries have expressed their willingness to fight on the side of the people's republics. We offered the leadership of the LPR and DPR to accept this assistance, but they said they would defend their land themselves.

They have enough power and resources.

Loud and clearly in high morale..

Anxious for news from Odessa and that residue Ukraine becomes landlocked.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 25 2022 19:58 utc | 137

ZH has an article "Russia Signals It Will Limit Scope To "Complete Liberation Of Donbas" - Says "No Progress" In Talks".


In what's looking like a hugely significant first sign that Russia could be pulling back on the scope of its Ukraine operations, Bloomberg reports Friday that the Kremlin may be limiting its key military objectives to taking full control over the Donbas region. This despite multiple parts of the county, including outside the capital of Kiev, still witnessing intense fighting and shelling.

are they misquoting mininterpreting a Russian general word?

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 25 2022 19:58 utc | 138

@Ghost of Kyiv | Mar 25 2022 14:32 utc | 1

Why does Barnard keep referring to Ukraine as "the Ukraine"? Is he some sort of East German Communist who regurgitates nonsense theories about Ukraine not being a real country?

@Sternberg | Mar 25 2022 14:46 utc | 4

in German you would say "the Ukraine" (die Ukraine). harmless mistake.

No mistake, just colloquial language, also in English sometimes.

It seems that this ghost of Kiew is deep in the ridne mova crusade of the ukrainian fascists, hunting incorrect wording. Fortunately no chance for pillory or flogging in the bar.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 25 2022 19:59 utc | 139

@131 james

"The European Commission will receive a mandate to jointly purchase gas"

Important item. Implies an intra-EU enforcement mechanism to prevent individual countries from making their own deals circumventing the joint purchase mechanism, and makes a centrally controlled distribution scheme, such as highest-bidder-first (but probably not quite so blunt). Still, will ultimately helps Germany buy its way to the front of the line for continental supply, in increasingly likely case of NS1 shutdown. Potentially harms southeast EU, who had preferential arrangements with Russia via Black Sea pipelines. EU countries taken to the edge of bankruptcy in the event of hard enforcement of the sanctions regime, would be kept in line, by cutting off their energy. Also might limit windfall to EU gas producers and transit countries, tho probably a side-pot to be played among the appropriate industry and lobbyists, however it works in Brussels.

Does open the door to EU-wide compromise on energy-sanctions/-currency/-payments, but also makes it easier for the dominant countries to survive an EU-wide escalation to overall energy starvation, by dumping the burden on the steerage.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 25 2022 20:11 utc | 140

@b thanks for the Russian MOD announcement.

My immediate response was that the precision of the numbers quoted not only had an air of truth about it but also demonstrated complete control of information from the Ukraine government side. Russian intel suggests an incredible grasp of what is really going on in Ukraine.

Secondly Russia’s stated intentions have been consistent right from the start and I see nothing in this announcement which varies from what Putin first announced. Surely this has to give all the Western “experts” cause for deep thought.

A head of state who says what he will do and then does it is a very rare commodity indeed.

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 25 2022 20:13 utc | 141

The Donbas-Kessel, announced being closed since two weeks by Mercouris and others, seems to be still open.

Posted by: njet | Mar 25 2022 14:41 utc | 3

Nope. The Uk army is isolated in bunkers. They will begin to miss ammunitions and oil. If they move away with vehicles, they will be easy targets, if the Russians decide to get rid of them. Likely they could retreat by foot. But they will not be able to carry anything heavy, like a javelin. And the distances are big.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 25 2022 20:13 utc | 142

#136

Floggings are messy and tend to trash the bar.

I have noticed an occasional pissing contest ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2022 20:14 utc | 143

@ Calgary Guy 135

ZH cites a Bloomberg article. I doubt Bloomberg has the RF's MOD privileged plan of operation. More of the same script from Jupiter.

Andrei Martyanov's latest..

Friday, March 25, 2022

Short Note On Russian (LDNR Too) Losses.

Russian MoD announced the number of losses by combined Russian-LDNR forces. KIAs: 1,351, Sanitary (Wounded etc.): 3,825 (in Russian). As you can see yourself a classic ration of roughly 1 KIA to 3 Sanitary is almost exact. This is exactly what I wrote about two days ago.

This shows, as is known now, that Anglo-American MSM are staffed with one-cell creatures who know nothing, as is true for their curators from "intel" who drip all kinds of BS for them, about real war and basic correlates, which do not require special education. How do I assess losses? Under existing conditions and considering a massive scale of operation--they are light.

Meanwhile VSU continues to annihilate Russian aviation, now the third time over, and is being victorious to the left and to the right. PJW has a video to prove it;)

Watch the videos !!!!
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 25 2022 20:15 utc | 144

From b above:

the authors of Onyx are obviously taking sides in the conflict arguing to send more arms to the Ukraine as if that would change the inevitable outcome.

The real motive for sending arms to Ukraine is given in the link in the update immediately after that, where Colonel General Rudskoy said:
This delays the conflict, increases the number of victims and will not be able to influence the outcome of the operation. The real purpose of such supplies is not to support Ukraine, but to drag it into a long-term military conflict "to the last Ukrainian."

Furthermore the purpose of all the propaganda that Russia is losing the war is to give the opposite impression - that the arms supplies to Ukraine will help drive out the Russian aggressors even sooner. Because of the fantasy that is promoted by the mass media, there is practically no opposition by the public to sending more and more weapons into the war zone. I saw last week that even the Catholic bishop of Berlin supports arming the Ukrainians - to defend themselves against Russian attacks on civilians, of course!

That's like what was supposed to happen in Syria, where the Western-backed moderate rebels were going to get rid of both Assad and the Islamic State. In reality, western intervention only delayed Assad's victory over the IS.

Posted by: Brendan | Mar 25 2022 20:16 utc | 145

They want Ukraine to be a stable entity with a constitution that mandates neutrality.

Posted by: WhyCantWeJusGetAlong | Mar 25 2022 18:05 utc | 100

It is always possible to change the constitution. Paper agreements are worth nothing especially when the USA are behind. Split the country like Yugoslavia was split, and the East run by Russians as East of the Dniepr it is a Russian country with Russian speaking people.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 25 2022 20:16 utc | 146

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 19:43 utc | 128

"I might've been a bit rude but if I go to Utube I can watch basically any Russian movie with no restriction, for free, but if I try to watch a Hollywood film I have to pay."

Paco, I don't know where you live, and rarely have a problem with people being rude to me, but apart from paying the connecting fees on the internet, you may need some advice, with regards to watching Youtube videos.

Do you actually pay to watch Youtube videos????

I don't know how to do that.

Do you actually send money to the people who run Youtube?

Send Bernhard Hoftsman a Tenner instead.

Much better value here.

Incidentally, I found 9th Company "Based on real events, 9th Company follows the ill-fated fortunes of a small group of young Soviet soldiers during the disastrous 1979-1989 Afghan war, from the trials of boot camp to their arrival in the heart of the war zone and the climactic, bloody battle that made them heroes.."

Far more real, than Apocalypse Now, (which the UK was not involved in)

"Charlie Chaplin - Final Speech from The Great Dictator"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7GY1Xg6X20

Tony

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 20:18 utc | 147

The only exit ramp for the US is to get the fuck out of everybody's face and shut down its lying bullshit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 17:54 utc | 93

Couldn't have said it better.

Posted by: Смерть_НАТО | Mar 25 2022 20:20 utc | 148

From the Saker Sitrep.

"In addition, at the initiative of the Ukrainian leadership, the country has become a home to 6,595 foreign mercenaries and terrorists from 62 states.

They are not subject to the rules of war and will be ruthlessly destroyed.

Today, the number of foreign mercenaries is declining. This was facilitated by high-precision strikes on their bases and training camps. On March 13, more than 200 militants were killed and more than 400 wounded in Starichi and at the Yavorovskii training ground alone.

I note that not a single foreign mercenary has arrived in Ukraine in the last seven days. On the contrary, there has been an outflow. Within a week, 285 fighters escaped into Poland, Hungary and Romania, I hope without Stingers and Javelins."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 25 2022 20:26 utc | 149

@ ptb | Mar 25 2022 20:11 utc | 137

thanks for isolating that and explaining it to me..

@ Brendan | Mar 25 2022 20:16 utc | 142

thanks.. many of us came to this same conclusion which is worth repeating.. chas freeman made a similar, but simpler comment about this..

"The real motive for sending arms to Ukraine is given in the link in the update immediately after that, where Colonel General Rudskoy said:
This delays the conflict, increases the number of victims and will not be able to influence the outcome of the operation. The real purpose of such supplies is not to support Ukraine, but to drag it into a long-term military conflict "to the last Ukrainian."

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 20:27 utc | 150

propaganda for today from cbc - i won't link to it.. - UP is DOWN and DOWN is UP!!! ps i liked the earlier comment - the canada~

headline - Russia appears to scale back war ambition to 'liberating' Donbas

subtitle - Moscow has met fierce resistance in Ukraine invasion

text under the top picture - A man recovers items from a burning shop following a Russian attack in Kharkiv, Ukraine on Friday. Russia signaled on Friday that it has limited its war goals and will focus on "the liberation" of one breakaway region in eastern Ukraine. (Felipe Dana/The Associated Press)


text - first 2 paragraphs - In a scaled-back formulation of its war goals, Russia said on Friday that the first phase of its military operation was mostly complete and it would focus on completely "liberating" Ukraine's breakaway eastern Donbas region.

The announcement appeared to indicate that Moscow may be switching to more limited objectives after running into fierce Ukrainian resistance in a month of war. Russian troops have failed to capture any major city and have been halted at the gates of the capital, Kyiv.

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 20:34 utc | 151

@ptb #86
I will simply note that the European natural gas futures in summer 2021 in no way resembled spot prices in December 2021, much less today.
As such, any faith in "the market" pricing next winter's natural gas in Europe accurately is...fraught with danger.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 25 2022 20:34 utc | 152

did cbc spell Kyiv the correct way?? jesus, they better not fuck up or the grammar nazis are going to get them!

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 20:35 utc | 153

@michaelj72 #122
There are already long lines at the food banks, but that was happening long before the upcoming food price spike.
So much winning...

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 25 2022 20:37 utc | 154

@James #149
Yes but are the grammar Nazis also in the Azov regiment?

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 25 2022 20:41 utc | 155

tony_0pmoc #103


Thank you for that fine story. Nice start for the day.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2022 20:50 utc | 156

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 20:18 utc | 144

Of course I do not pay to watch anything on the internet, a few lives would not be enough to process and assimilate all the books, movies and culture freely available, but it's the principle, my stuff is always for sale, your stuff is for me to use anytime I want, that's what bothers me.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 19:44 utc | 130

Thanks for the link, slow to load but it is working now, it was not for the last few days, so I read the introduction and now I'm listening while I was searching for a couple of photographs that came to my mind concerning Putin's speech, one is the "House of Culture" institution, even in the most remote village there is one, they fulfill the Community Centre function. The other one is about the composer Glinka, I was fortunate enough to visit his home in a place called Novospasskoe, I've posted both pictures in VK, I usually do not post anything on social media, but in this case I did as a courtesy to you personally.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 20:53 utc | 157

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 20:18 utc | 144

Just in case you could be interested, even that film has been criticized domestically for being too defeatist, and for distorting the historical truth in some points.

A quote from a Russian netizen critic 'Goblin':


Now we have the series “Penal Battalion” and the film “9th Company”, made by people who sincerely believe that they are “filming the truth”. But even worse is the fact that a whole generation of idiots has grown up in the country who firmly believe that we have lost everywhere and everywhere. That the warriors fighting for their country are all shell-shocked psychos. That “everything was in vain,” because “their country ceased to exist two years later”.

Posted by: CI | Mar 25 2022 20:54 utc | 158

Western MSM using the detailed Russia MoD speech to imply Russia is scaling back the focus of the operation...

How to turn a defeat into a victory? Exaggerate the objectives of your opponent, so that when their overwhelming victory becomes reality one can then juxtapose it to your ridiculous claims that were never based on reality.

LOL

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60882156

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ukraine-urges-halt-russias-assault-biden-heads-poland-2022-03-25/

Posted by: Et Tu | Mar 25 2022 20:56 utc | 159

First time listening to president Biden. Can someone...., Jen Psaki, anyone? please translate Biden's rambling address to US 82nd Airborne troops in Poland during his visit today.

Is it poor sound quality?

As per this website with Video at link,

He directly implied the 82nd airborne unit was going into Ukraine, and stated, “You are going to see when you are there.” Standing next to Biden while those statements were made, is U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin. No one attempted to stop Biden from publicly saying we were sending troops into Ukraine. WATCH (prompted):

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/25/joe-biden-just-implied-the-82nd-airborne-is-going-into-ukraine-you-are-going-to-see-when-you-are-there/

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 25 2022 20:59 utc | 160

@148 c1ue

Spot prices in Dec'21 had little relationship to actual prices paid in Dec'21. Actual prices paid were determined months or years ahead of time. That's why, Dec'21-futures quoted in, say, Jan'21, would be a better indication of what was actually paid in Dec'21. Same idea. Obviously certain events like complete cancellation of contracts due to sanctions and counter-sanctions blow this out of the water, but LNG is an internationally connected market (modulo transport costs), and those markets are still functioning just fine - only with a shortage for obvious reasons.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 25 2022 21:01 utc | 161

a higher resolution snapshot of map from RF MoD press-briefing

https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFOtjoKgX0AIYLbf.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig

Posted by: ptb | Mar 25 2022 21:02 utc | 162

Here’s a translation of the slide shown during Russia’s MoD’s briefing listing combined losses of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine and the National Guard of the Ukraine since the start of the Special Military Operation:

                            Feb 24  Losses
Troops 260,200 30,000 11% Killed - 14,000 5% Wounded - 16,000 6% Tanks and other armor 2,416 1,587 65% Artillery and mortars 1,509 636 41% Multiple Rocket Launchers 535 163 29% Planes 152 112 73% Helicopters 149 75 50% Bayraktar TB2 drones 36 35 97% Long- and mid-range SAMs 180 148 82% Radar stations 300 117 39%

Posted by: S | Mar 25 2022 21:03 utc | 163

Hey I know it is mostly PR etc re Ukraine victories, but what about the reported sinking of a russian landing ship in Berdansk. This is actually big news and if true a serious setback. If true then I expect that that area at least will be attacked fiercely

Posted by: watcher | Mar 25 2022 21:05 utc | 164

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 19:44 utc | 130

Thanks for that. I didn't read all of it, but Particularly liked this -

"For us, it is inseparable from the Motherland, from Russia, where there is no place for ethnic intolerance, where for centuries representatives of dozens of nationalities and ethnic groups live together, work, raise children, and cultural diversity is the pride of society, the strength and advantage of our state.

I think many people know, have seen how in Naples a street artist recently painted on the wall of a house a portrait of the now "canceled" in the West or "abolished" Russian writer Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky. This still gives hope that it is through the mutual sympathy of people, through the culture that connects and unites us all, the truth will certainly break its way through, that art, education, as they should be, will sow only the smart, good and eternal."

He also mentioned music and art from Cyprus where my wife and I have been several times.

Does President Putin like Rock Music too?

We are in the process of renewing our passports for another 10 years....

Tony

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 21:08 utc | 165

Whatever U.S. weapons get smuggled into Ukraine would be stored in Western Ukraine to prepare an arsenal; a so-called iron fist, for a later offensive. Plus I imagine they will try to sneak some in around Kiev and then close to Odessa or in the city proper.

I don't know how closely the Russian command are monitoring the transport of USNATO weapons, but I would think that tracking the massive replenishment of weaponry sent by the U.S. would be of utmost importance.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 25 2022 21:08 utc | 166

We know that The Russians acted rapidly to forstall an invasion of Donbass (and probably Crimea). ie The Ukes were ready for all out war but the Russians were not. They reacted rapidly but may have not had all the "intelligence" necessary for a correct appraisal of the situation they were facing.

I think the main underestimation was the infiltration and stationing of NATO "instructors", over an eight year period. Another was the training and deliberate infiltration of Azovs into the regular forces and life styles of the Ukrainians themselves. Reputedly NATO had trained forty one "brigades" of Azov. (I don't know how many men in a brigade so this is just an indication that there were "lots").

They had been "trained" by firing at live targets in Donbass for eight years. One present difficulty for the Russians is the concentration of Bunkers and trenches all along the Donbass "border" that they created.
***
So what went wrong.
**
Russian side; The Russians found themselves fighting against ertzatz Ukies but "NATO/US" trained troops, With a very complete series of Bunkers and prepositioned ammunition. The Russian descent on Kiev did not work, the Paratroopers towards Homel went a "road too far" and the heavy lifter planes could not land and resupply them, the famous convoy could not get to them as it was mainly supplies FOR the Paras. (Less combat troops). A Quick ending was therefore no longer possible.
*
The effect of someone ready to shoot you in the back (Azovs), has made any individual wish to surrender to the Russians and just go home, a moot point. (Bodies in Uke uniforms without identification have been found on the streets of Mariupol). Civilians have taken a horrendous death toll in Mariupol, in spite of this, theRussians state that about 62'000 people have got out. This has been talked up by Zelenkists as them being "kidnapped".
****
Without going into all the bits and pieces of the fighting.
***
Shotz has let slip that the "sanctions had been planned several months BEFORE the Russian action.. Obviously in the case of a Uke invasion of Donbass/Crimea they would be have been used to solidify the action. The coordinated use of sanctions was thus planned to stop Russia from interfering with the "takeover" of East Ukraine and the subsequent "joining" of Ukraine with NATO.
****
What went wrong for the US/EU.
**
The Russian acted first.
*
Sanctions have NOT been thought through. The blowback HAS caught them by surprise as the common assumption by the west was that the Azov/Uke forces would have been in a commanding position very rapidly. The West does not know what to do.

***
What happens next - ?
The cognitive extension that the war is now betweeen East and West, (or 20% of the wolds population against the 80% remaining, with Russian taking the lead), will move into the world of money or something approaching a means of exchange NO longer under US control.
*
It is also between "good" and "bad". Really we must not forget that this is a semi religious fight against evil.
*
Possibly on the 1st of April the new monetary system (Chinese/Russian) is supposed to be announced? But it may not be seen as a joke by some.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 25 2022 21:11 utc | 167

Is Gonzalo Lira OK ?

He was in Ukraine. His last video was about how some US rag had outed him to the Ukraine govt.

Is he OK ?

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 25 2022 21:17 utc | 168

One of the non-military propaganda points until recently is that sanctions on Russia are currently and will devastate Russia. Now Biden himself has added that sanctions will also hurt the West. Food SHORTAGES will hit the West along with gas prices for the family car. Not price inflation on plentiful stocks by itself but food stuffs not even available. Hey, wait, Russia can't demand payment for energy exports in its own national currency. The German leader asks where in the hell will I get roubles.

Let you kids go hungry and cold for Zlinsky the world's savior of democracy!!!

So for at least the totally propagandized West, will they come out of their stupor as their lives financially and materially crumble? Can Biden, Pelosi, and other leaders in the West be able to blame Putin for the miserable state of people's lives? And their citizens believing it? In some ways, I have my doubts as propaganda can turn masses of people into zombies.

Posted by: Erelis | Mar 25 2022 21:18 utc | 169

The announcement appeared to indicate that Moscow may be switching to more limited objectives after running into fierce Ukrainian resistance in a month of war. Russian troops have failed to capture any major city and have been halted at the gates of the capital, Kyiv.

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2022 20:34 utc | 147

Mama mia! You understand nothing. The Russians play time. The are destroying weapons, ammunitions and oil. After which, the Ukro Army will be naked. They control the roads. They do not want to kill civilians and they do not want to kill Ukro servicemen if they can do otherwise. They do not want to fight inside cities because the nazis are using civilians as hostages and shields. The Russians care about civilian lives. Of course yankees cannot understand this. Especially as all civilian casualties done by the nazis are said by the western propaganda to be done by the Russians. There is no valid resistance except inside static bunkers which can be targeted one by one if necessary and except inside cities. We have the example of Mariupole. A city can be taken if they want. This is a liberation war. See the referendum held on 17 March 1991.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 25 2022 21:24 utc | 170

@156
re: Biden's speech to troops / "you're gonna see when you're there"

The usual exceptionalist boilerplate. Brags about being there in 2014 when the "not truly democratic" government was overthrown. (Sullivan and Nuland were then, as now, in key roles making the relevant policy). Great bunch of guys they had put in.

Quick news search shows this was a warmup to an "important speech" in Warsaw tomorrow, so hey, maybe they'll have an R2P expedition, give refugees get a new safe place... outside the EU. Or he might just be out to lunch. No point even trying to guess.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 25 2022 21:27 utc | 171

Boy these woke professors are losing it. Putin making irrational moves? What a dumbass thing to say. Nato missile bases as next door neighbors, no response to Russia's concerns, what else could be done? Russia is a great power and just doing what others would do.

Posted by: morongobill | Mar 25 2022 21:30 utc | 172

Featherless | Mar 25 2022 21:17 utc | 164

https://twitter.com/realGonzaloLira

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2022 21:30 utc | 173

Fish and chips are off the menu in Brittain.

From metallicman link in a previous thread:

Britain

Britain banned the import of products, incl. food, from Russia. In addition to raising prices for communal and gasoline, the British can part with their national dish – fish and chips, in other words – potatoes with fish.

For British Prime Minister Johnson, it came as an unpleasant surprise that most of the fish eaten in Britain is Russian. Iceland and Norway will not be able to provide even half of the amount that Russia was selling.

Britain urgently needs to find new routes for the supply of fish, otherwise unrest cannot be avoided and this is not a joke. For the British , fish and chips is more than food, it is part of the culture, it is their genetic code.

The sanctions pigeon came home and crapped on Boris blonde head. Too good :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2022 21:30 utc | 174

Paco @153--

Thanks very much for the tribute to Culture! The Culture Home is ramshackle yet sturdy as one would expect. The composer's dacha predates the auto age yet is still modest compared with most. IMO, it's important to note that Putin keeps to his usual schedule and doesn't spend additional time dealing with the military operation, although currently most governance is attending to the attacks made previous and after its beginning.

Most here know that Putin very rarely back peddles on what he's previously stated, nor does he reiterate very often either. My point being there's no reason to endlessly speculate on what will occur next as it's already been laid out for all to see, although it's hilarious the West never sees that overtness since its own officials are never straight and constantly lie and obfuscate. After Ukraine comes rolling NATO back to 1997 with no NATO nations abutting Russia. Yes, there's the question How will that be accomplished, and IMO we ought to see the main method that will be used since it's straight from the Putin Doctrine. And the first parts to How are already in play.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 21:33 utc | 175

@Ghost of "Kyiv" (sic) 1.

You can call it Ukranazistan if you prefer.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 25 2022 21:36 utc | 176

Today the Russian MOD issued a statement about the progress of their intervention.

https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/03/25/8-years-of-war-versus-1-month-of-liberation/

Posted by: John Goss | Mar 25 2022 21:37 utc | 177

Xerxes Biden proposes an alternative to war:

Will USAians go along with this?

Every man, woman, other will soon have two options to consider as they trudge the path to their next election. Should be interesting.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2022 21:38 utc | 178

@166 "Mama mia! You understand nothing."

Relax. James was quoting CBC.

Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2022 21:41 utc | 179

"Relax. James was quoting CBC.

Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2022 21:41 utc | 175"

OK, thanks. Then cbc either understands nothing or its war propaganda. A stupid one. The problem is that people will believe it.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 25 2022 21:45 utc | 180

Among the unforeseen consequences of the NATO strategy of provoking Russia are two worth considering.

The first is the NATO New Green Deal under which fossil fuels become prohibitively expensive. Home heating consumption falls (poor people die of hypothermia); private automobile use declines; public transport expands; long distance trade costs rise- self sufficiency increases. Fertiliser costs rise quickly- organic agriculture, crop rotations and local marketing increase. etc etc.

The second is that, after examining the evidence carefully, we discover that the US and UK by arrogating to themselves the right to seize bank deposits, dishonour bond payments, nationalise stored bullion and stop debt payments, have effectively declared the long awaited Jubilee.
All debts are to be forgiven. There is no need to pay Russian creditors, so there is no need to pay any creditors.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2022 21:46 utc | 181

karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 21:33 utc | 171

"NATO nations abutting Russia. Yes, there's the question How will that be accomplished, and IMO we ought to see the main method that will be used since it's straight from the Putin Doctrine. And the first parts to How are already in play."

My bet is through money. The vast amounts spent on arms in the EU could be better spent on food and heating. So when people start to get cold feet and no fish to wrap up in the daily papers, and no oil to fry them in, they just might think about how much is spent on the US arms industry.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 25 2022 21:50 utc | 182

@176 CBC is just doing what it's told to do. They want people to think that Russia failed in its objective and is now leaving with its tail between its legs. Yes MOST people will believe it.

Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2022 21:51 utc | 183

My wife and I were born in Lancashire, our kids in London, and we took them flying boy 3 girl 1 year old, and they were so lovely on the plane, that hardly anyone on the flight knew they were, and no one complained.

So basically we spent most of our summer holidays in the Greek Islands, and Greece and Turkey. cos everyone was basically so nice to our kids. So we understand the culture and feel really comfortable there - even in The Black Sea, Bulgaria.

Not been to Russia yet, but have met loads of Russians on holiday, and sometimes in local pubs in London, and from everywhere else.....

Rarely if ever talk politics. It's more about trying to communicate, cos the rock bands are so loud, then we go out for a cigarette break, and we all drunk and can talk freely, about anything...no secrets here

So I thought about it, this week.

I do not want any US Dollars. Still got a few left from when we went to Cuba

I see rubles are really cheap.

I am pretty sure they will take rubles in cash in Cyprus.

We like it there

Tony

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Mar 25 2022 21:56 utc | 184

@tony_0pmoc #161:

Does President Putin like Rock Music too?

Almost 19 years ago, I was at Paul McCartney’s legendary concert in the Red Square. He played many Beatles hits, including “Back in the U.S.S.R.” At the supposed end of the concert, there was a pause and then some commotion near the scene. Turns out, Putin walked from the Kremlin on foot and took a seat in the front row. McCartney played “Back in the U.S.S.R.” again, and the concert ended. I take it that Putin wanted to hear that particular song.

Posted by: S | Mar 25 2022 21:57 utc | 185

tony_0pmoc @161--

Thanks for your reply! Yes, that's why I emphasized that passage--Russia IS what the Outlaw US Empire said it always wanted to become: A Melting pot of peoples and cultures that was to keep their distinctiveness while coming together as One People. The most ironic aspect when it comes to the production of cultural products, the only thing worthy of being called cultural is Jazz which is connected to Black Slave Culture and Poor White folk music--No person from the elite class within the Outlaw US Empire ever produced an original cultural product.

watcher @160--

That story was BS as you probably know. I think it was Martyanov who posted a picture of that ship when it came into port about a week later.

Stonebird @163--

On Russian intel, IMO they're not telling us about everything they knew prior to protect those sources that are presumably still operative. If NATO had struck first, IMO Russia has anticipated that might happen and was deployed to deal with it, although Donbass would have taken many casualties and would need to be recaptured. The superior, more humane methods Russia deployed in Syria it's utilized, which eventually will negate the Empire's media psyops. By and large, Russia isn't in any hurry as the Putin Doctrine needs time to work as its main aspect is to parry NATO's moves such that they boomerang and become own goals as we're now seeing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 22:01 utc | 186

Fish and chips are off the menu in Brittain.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2022 21:30 utc | 170

I thought Russia was no more than a gas station. Would never have suspected that Brits were eating white fish from Russia. Did a quick search and found this.

UK issues economic sanctions against Russia, fish included in new import tariffs

The United Kingdom is heavily reliant on imported whitefish to meet demand, sourcing 432,000 metric tons (MT) with a value of almost GBP 800 million (USD 1 billion, EUR 952.1 million) in 2020, according to according to U.K. public body Seafish, the United Kingdom imported 48,000 metric tons (MT) of whitefish directly from Russia in 2020. A considerable proportion of Chinese whitefish imports was also of Russian origin.

At the same time, Russia accounts for over 40 percent of the world’s whitefish production, including 60 percent of the Alaskan pollock, 30 percent of the Atlantic cod supply, and 25 percent of the haddock.

Direct imports to the U.K. market from Russia amounted to 48,000 MT in 2020, while a considerable portion of Chinese whitefish imports into the country (143,000 MT in 2020) was also of Russian origin. It is also likely that some Norwegian, Polish, and German imports into the U.K. market included Russian products, Seafish said in a press release.

The Brits may be eating fish and chips without the fish. And a lot of other countries if they embargo Russian fish imports.

Posted by: Erelis | Mar 25 2022 22:15 utc | 187

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Mar 25 2022 15:04 utc | 15

Mercouris and The Saker consider the cauldron closed because any Ukrainian attempt to break out through the open part subjects them to Russian artillery and air power. So the cauldron is "effectively closed by fire". The two pincers simply haven't met and hugged yet.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:19 utc | 188

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 22:01 utc | 182

Sorry Karlofi but I really do not know. Story only came out yesterday!!!! It seems that few know about it. It may well be fake but Defence Force Asia is still reporting it - yes i know that site is a little less honest than it was - too much UA propaganda swamping it now, but still it is reporting a landing boat was sunk!!!!!

Posted by: watcher | Mar 25 2022 22:20 utc | 189

Posted by: Boo | Mar 25 2022 15:34 utc | 34

These is the same document released a couple weeks ago. It does not, according to an English translation I've seen, prove anything of the sort. It is merely an operational order transferring one Ukrainian military unit to the front. There is no reference in the translation I saw - which is admittedly inadequate as it is improperly formatted - that references any "operation in March, 2022."

I'm not saying there wasn't one planned. I'm saying the document I've seen - or at least the English translation of it - does not reference any such explicitly. A real operational order for such an operation would either be one page or hundreds, not six pages.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 25 2022 22:24 utc | 190

Stonebird @178--

Yes, money essentially, although it's more about the free flow of commerce, what the Outlaw US Empire always said it was protecting--free trade. And at its essence, Freedom itself as I stated back on 9 February in this article that looked at the manifesto within the 4 February Joint Declaration of Xi and Putin where I postulated their intent is to finish the job left unfinished at WW2's end, which means establishing the war's aims as articulated by FDR--the Four Freedoms which the Outlaw US Empire never allowed to become reality. One of the reasons I was so jazzed by Escobar's last essay is its relationship to finally defeating Fascism/Naziism and bringing its sponsors to heel. The two nations sponsoring it are now exposed greater than ever since 1945, and it appears that the genuine international community has finally removed its blinders so that reality can now be seen. We shall see, of course. Putin's remarks today are the closest he's come to directly accusing the Outlaw US Empire of being fascist and the promoter of Naziism, although one could argue he did just that since he called Cancel Culture a Nazi product and that product being manufactured by the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 22:24 utc | 191

karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 22:01 utc | 182

I think we will see more and more "local" intelligence happening. Several hidden Oil tanks were hit (forgotten where!) and the mayor complained that it was the people in his town who signaled their presence to the Russians.

The more the size of the territory increases, the more local participation? Off hand I think that all cards are still on the table. Today's statement about concentrating "Just" on Donbass is a typical Putin "opening" for negotiations combined with a judo manoeuvre. The "empty" space into which the enemy can either try to place his forces, or try to find a solution. Peace or Khinsal?
****

"Russia isn't in any hurry as the Putin Doctrine needs time to work as its main aspect is to parry NATO's moves such that they boomerang and become own goals as we're now seeing."

Worth watching are the increasing tensions within members of the EU bloc. ie. Serbia -v- Kosovo. ie. The mutual buying of oil by the commission - which will impact defavourably those who have contracts (and generally seem more sympathetic to Russia). ie. The bloc has 40 days of diesel oil after that... so Spain, Portugal and France will be short first - others to follow.

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Side fights breaking out Azerbaijan-Armenia. (The latter is going on full mobilization)
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The war business comes to Europe.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 25 2022 22:25 utc | 192

watcher @ 160, karlov @182

Yes, that happened and it has been well reported. It was a cargo ship, not a landing craft. Ukies fired off another Tochka, no way to know what or if they were aiming it at. It was intercepted by air defenses but intercepted low and close to the ship. Tochka had a cluster munitions warhead, at least one sub-munition hit the deck of ship. Where it found both diesel fuel and ammunition. Ship was intentionally scuttled to put out the fire. Not believed to be badly damaged, it will be lifted and towed to Rostov or Sevastopol for repairs. No one killed, small number injured. Not a big deal.

Ukies have used up most of the Tochka they had by this point and others have become trophies. Only a few still unaccounted. Very hard to hit when fired from comparatively nearby. In a populated area even a good shootdown can cause mishaps.

Read the reports. There were at least half a dozen mentions of this in my feeds yesterday and this morning.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 25 2022 22:26 utc | 193

Posted by: Ghost of Kyiv | Mar 25 2022 14:32 utc | 1
"Why does Barnard keep referring to Ukraine as "the Ukraine"? Is he some sort of East German Communist who regurgitates nonsense theories about Ukraine not being a real country?"

I'm maybe a little late, but reading this as the first post in the thread?? A hate post??? I grew up in East Germany, under "soviet occupation". The first thing I have to tell you: if it wasn't for the Red Army to defeat the Wehrmacht and SS forces in the 1940ies, I, amongst millions of other children in Europe, and probably beyond, would have been forced to join the Hitlerjugend in the 1970ies or 1980ies and might as well have become your boss, or owner - if you would exist at all. Maybe my ancestors would have just killed all of your family, to give some of my compatriots a small piece of land - your family's - to extend the Reich. Not so, of course, if YOUR family would have been collaborateurs. In that case, your family would have been allowed to keep the land and work for the Reich and its glory. Or, if your family would have been exceptionally complicit and killed a lot of the enemies of the Fuehrer, maybe you would be the owner of some of YOUR compatriots, probably those of lower racial status and hygiene. I guess that sounds a lot more favourable to you.

In any case, I find your comment deeply offensive on several levels, and the grammar misunderstanding is not one of them.

Posted by: xototox | Mar 25 2022 22:27 utc | 194

xototox #190

Thank you, well said.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 25 2022 22:31 utc | 195

Can some linguist tell us more and clear this up :):)

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 25 2022 19:29 utc | 122

It is an English convention to use "The" in front of a name that represents a specific collection of something ie The United States, The United Kingdom, The Seychelles, We say Fiji and The Fijian Islands.

"The" word the is considered a definite article because it defines the meaning of a noun as one particular thing. It's an article that gives a noun a definite meaning: a definite article. Generally, definite articles are used to identify nouns that the audience already knows about.

So the use of "the" in front of nations or countries is not random, it's a descriptive of what is a culturally agreed upon meaning. In other words it makes the noun more specific. So it's not just any United States for example is THE United States. Does that make sense?

Either way it is the nature of language that it isn't fixed and changes with the culture. Changes can happen organically or they can be forced.

I don't know if that is helpful, I'm not a linguist but I am passionate about language and find it interesting to look into what is meant by something as apparently innocuous as a short descriptive word.


Posted by: K | Mar 25 2022 22:33 utc | 196

Funny how the US is backing exaggerated numbers from Ukraine sources of Russian casualties, but didn't bother counting Iraqi military deaths when they invaded Iraq.

No mention of Ukrainian casualty numbers either.

Posted by: George | Mar 25 2022 22:34 utc | 197

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 19:43 utc | 128

I resonate with your comments on western copyright and the tendency of the west to appropriate ancient or indigenous inventions, concepts, artwork, religious and spiritual symbols and claim them to be inventions. it really irks me.

The peace sign is also an exact copy of the ancient nordic Rune for life (upright) or death (upside down) Given the Viking influence in the UK its a no brainer that the Runes are quite familiar to many people.

I also found this interesting article linking it to Nazism that I did not expect. How fascinating that the "peace" symbol "invented" by the Brits ends up being a favoured Nazi symbol in Ukraine.
what are the odds?
https://reportingradicalism.org/en/hate-symbols/movements/nazi-symbols/death-rune

Posted by: K | Mar 25 2022 22:37 utc | 198

karlof1 | Mar 25 2022 22:24 utc | 187

I would put it more simply. Putin is fighting for "right" against "wrong". In the traditional meaning of that ideal. Not the new woke, broke, coked up, version put out by the US.

Which of course is his strength, as the whole world can recognise what is "fair and just" in a fundamental manner, (even if there are brutal variants by local overlords).
To which I may also add he is fighting for the poor, oppressed and the MAJORITY of the worlds population..... and they know it.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 25 2022 22:39 utc | 199

@192 I think UKrainian natioalists need to find another name for their country. Ukraine means The Borderland in Russian. The Borderland of what? Russia of course. Ukrainians are stuck with it.

Posted by: dh | Mar 25 2022 22:42 utc | 200

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