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March 25, 2022

Propaganda Does Not Change The War - The Ukraine Is Still Losing - Updated

Updated below (17:30 UTC)
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This map of the situation in Ukraine on March 24 is provided by the French Ministry of Defense.


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It is likely the most realistic and neutral one available. It comes with short notes about the numbered theaters.

Here are my own takes:

  1. The Russian forces around Kiev are making no offensive moves but defend against minor unsuccessful counterattacks from the Ukrainian side (see below). I have seen no hint that Russian forces strives to get into Kiev. It would be too costly to do that and for little strategic gain.
    But the forces east and west of Kiev are binding a big part of the Ukrainian army and prevent it from sending reserves towards Donbas.
    Yesterday an air attack or missile strike destroyed the largest Ukrainian fuel depot left near Kiev. The Ukrainian army will soon lose its mobility (if it hasn't yet done so).
  2. Kharkiv is about to get encircled.
  3. Dnipro is a strategic target that the Russian forces will like to isolate or take by coming up from the south on both sides of the Dnieper river as well as from the north.
    Russian forces destroyed a railway station between Dnipro and Donbas from where resupplies were flowing to the Ukrainian forces fighting there.
  4. After large progress yesterday Mariupol is now in a mop-up situation. The Azov forces still there have no chance to survive.
  5. Russian passage through Mykolayiv towards Odessa has proven to be difficult. Artillery is now softening up the Ukrainian defense lines.
    There are unconfirmed reports of large Ukrainian losses in Mykolayiv (300+) due to a missile strike on their barracks.
The U.S. has tried to use yesterday's NATO and G-7 meeting to push the Europeans towards sanctioning Russian hydrocarbon exports. It also tried to attach China to Russia and to get the Europeans to sanction its biggest trading partner. Both attempts failed. There will be no additional sanctions on Russia. And while the NATO communique mentions China it only urges it to leave its neutral position. Everyone knows that that is not going to happen.

The only thing NATO agreed on is the release of a new load of fresh propaganda.

NATO: 7,000 to 15,000 Russian troops dead in Ukraine - AP

A senior NATO military official said the alliance’s estimate was based on information from Ukrainian authorities, what Russia has released — intentionally or not — and intelligence gathered from open sources. The official spoke on condition of anonymity under ground rules set by NATO.

Andrei Martyanov looks back at the casualties Soviet forces suffered in 1943 when they liberated Donbas from then still first class German Wehrmacht forces. Back then there were more than 1,000,000 Soviet soldiers involved against some 600,000 Germans. Some 1,600 Soviet soldiers were killed each day in fierce fighting. We are now supposed to believe that the much smaller operation against a less fierce and less capable enemy in the Ukraine is killing 550 Russian soldiers per day? That's obviously nonsense.

As one anonymous Pentagon officer said about the NATO number:

"We continue to have low confidence in those estimates"

For the record Russia's Defense Ministry just announced that as of today 1,351 Russian servicemen have been killed and 3,825 wounded. (The losses of the Lugansk and Donetsk militia are not included in those numbers.)

There is more propaganda bullshit out there like this from the New York Times:

Counteroffensive in Ukraine Shifts Dynamic of War

Sure, the headline gives that impression. But only to those who do not read down into the report:

The asserted gains in territory are hard to quantify, or verify. In at least one crucial battle in a suburb of Kyiv, where Russian troops had made their closest approach to the capital, brutal street fighting still raged on Thursday and it was not clear that Ukraine had regained any ground.

But even this muddied picture of Ukrainian progress is helpful for the country’s messaging to its citizens, and to the world — that it is taking the fight to a foe with superior numbers and weaponry, and not just hunkering down to play defense.
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In Makariv, another battleground town to the west of Kyiv that Ukrainian officials claimed to have recaptured this week, the fighting was also ongoing, Vadym Tokar, the mayor, said in a telephone interview.

“I don’t understand where this nonsense came from,” he said of reports his town had been liberated. “It is not true. We have shelling and we have Russian tanks shooting into the town right now.”

Here is more 'western' media nonsense:

The Ukrainian Army Has More Tanks Now Than When The War Began—Because It Keeps Capturing Them From Russia - Forbes

Ukraine has lost at least 74 tanks—destroyed or captured—since Russia widened its war on the country starting the night of Feb. 23.

But Ukraine has captured at least 117 Russian tanks, according to open-source-intelligence analysts who scrutinize photos and videos on social media.

In other words, the Ukrainian army might actually have more tanks now than a month ago—all without building a single brand-new tank or pulling some older vehicle out of storage.

The Dutch "open-source-intelligence analysts" who came up with those stupid numbers are the people who run the Oryx website and who were also the source for this Economist bullshit:


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Stijn Mitzer, an analyst in Amsterdam, and his colleagues at Oryx, a blog, track losses by surveying openly published photos and videos of the war. Nearly three weeks into Vladimir Putin’s reckless campaign, Ukraine has destroyed, damaged or captured at least 1,054 pieces of Russian equipment, about four times as many as it has lost to Russia.

Counting published photos from dubious sources in a war where both sides use the same equipment is as dumb as it gets. As even the Economist notes:

These figures are far from perfect. They are a lower bound, only counting losses confirmed by photographic or video evidence. Ukrainians are far more likely to capture such evidence and disseminate it than Russian soldiers who have probably had their phones confiscated and are, according to the Kremlin’s propaganda, on a peacekeeping mission. Nevertheless the figures provide a glimpse through the fog of war.

The figures and pictures do not provide "a glimpse through the fog of war". They ARE the fog of war.

Russian soldiers are prohibited from carrying cellphones and from taking pictures. (The Russian-Chechen militia currently cleaning up Mariupol is an exception). Ukrainian soldiers do carry cellphones and upload pictures of all kind. There are often several of each disabled vehicle from different perspectives which makes for a lot of double and triple counts. There is also the inconvenient fact that both sides use the same Soviet weapon systems which often makes it impossible to identify the side to which a vehicle belongs.

Last but not least the authors of Onyx are obviously taking sides in the conflict arguing to send more arms to the Ukraine as if that would change the inevitable outcome.

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Update - 17:30 UTC

About an hour ago the Russian Ministry of Defense published the text below.

Speech of the Head of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy

The speech sets a frame for the Russian operation in the Ukraine, explains the battle plan and the so far achieved results.

As the mil.ru site is blocked or difficult to reach from several countries I have uploaded the speech as a text file.

Posted by b on March 25, 2022 at 14:27 UTC | Permalink

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More signals being indirectly sent to NATO/Poland.
Hope they can read these smoke signals. If not, perhaps the Americans can send some Indians over to help out.

Russian cruise missiles have reportedly struck Lviv fuel depot.

Link

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 26 2022 15:29 utc | 401

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 26 2022 12:37 utc | 361

I could not find the original tweet by Richard Medhurst with the image. Maybe Twitter has censored it. IT sometimes happens that when a tweet is removed, the images still stay online on the Twitter server. It may be possible to retrieve them if you find a cached version of the tweet.

Back to the British MoD letter:

Russian disinformation presented in the video creates a substantial risk to UK national security...

How can lies and untruths create a risk to national security? Unless the document uses the modern Western definition of "disinformation:" facts we do not want to see published.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 26 2022 15:30 utc | 402

"what’s going on here is that an aggressive minority⁠—Galicians backed by the Western powers-that-be⁠—is using lies and violence to erase the Russian language, Russian culture, Russian history in Ukraine."
-- What was the name of a ringleader who had run a regime change in Kiev in 2014, in collaboration with self-proclaimed Nazis?
What are the names of the most influential decision-makers in the Biden administration? - Sullivan, Blinken, Nuland-Kagan, Kagans' clan, Price, and before that, there was a famous bloodletter and regime-changer Carl Gerschman.
When will the Jewish community of the US recognize the obvious fact of the Ziocons' collaboration with Ukrainian Nazis? That the Nazification of Ukraine was accomplished by the joint efforts of Ukrainian Nazis and American Ziocons?

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 26 2022 15:32 utc | 403

"Up to about 1830 the kingdom of the Netherlands used to include current-day Belgium and Luxemburg."
Passerby@377
From 1815 until 1830 Belgium was united with The Netherlands. Not Before or since.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 26 2022 15:37 utc | 404

Japan still bitchin, after Russia applied counter sanctions.

"Japanese PM Fumio Kishida has claimed the risk of Russia using nuclear weapons is “increasingly real,” delivering these remarks on Saturday in Hiroshima during a visit from a US delegation.

China warns of ‘unimaginable consequences’ if nuclear power is forced into a corner
Read more China warns of ‘unimaginable consequences’ if nuclear power is forced into a corner
The war in Ukraine shows the difficulties of creating a world without nuclear weapons, Kishida said, arguing that Russia’s “aggression” has threatened the international order and peace. He was joined at the Hiroshima peace memorial and museum by US envoy to Japan Rahm Emanuel, the former White House chief of staff"

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 26 2022 15:40 utc | 405

Somehow I was unaware of this fact until today. Oh well, one can't know everything.
..from RFE

Ukraine President Signs Constitutional Amendment On NATO, EU Membership
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has signed a constitutional amendment committing the country to becoming a member of NATO and the European Union. Addressing parliament on February 19, Poroshenko said he saw securing Ukraine's membership in NATO and the EU as his "strategic mission." Ukraine should "submit a request for EU membership and receive a NATO membership action plan no later than 2023," the president told the Verkhovna Rada. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 26 2022 15:44 utc | 406

@ptb 140
re: EU joint gas purchase mechanism

Previously concluded that it "Implies an intra-EU enforcement mechanism to prevent individual countries from making their own deals circumventing the joint purchase mechanism"

Looking at reports more, while still unclear, looks like this conclusion was premature, and the joint purchase mechanism would be voluntary, at least in theory. It would still leave leverage over any countries opting out of it, in that EU could in the future choose to tighten sanctions enforcement, but shelter the countries using the joint mechanism from this enforcement.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-25/eu-leaders-endorse-joint-purchases-to-replace-russian-gas-supply

Posted by: ptb | Mar 26 2022 15:52 utc | 407

Kalibr missiles flying over Lvov in daylight hours captured on cellphone video. Flying towards the Polish border. Blew up fuel depots near the border. At same moment President Biden is visiting refugees at the border. The Emperor has no clothes.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 26 2022 15:54 utc | 408

Neon - it's a gas!

"Russia’s war in Ukraine could see the production of neon, a critical gas in advanced semiconductor manufacturing, fall to worryingly low levels at a time when the world is already grappling with a chip shortage.

Neon is required for the lasers that are used in a chip production process known as lithography, where machines carve patterns onto tiny pieces of silicon made by the likes of Samsung, Intel and TSMC.

More than half of the world’s neon is produced by a handful of companies in Ukraine, according to Peter Hanbury, a semiconductor analyst at research firm Bain & Co.

Those companies include Mariupol-based Ingas, as well as Cryoin and Iceblick, which are based in Odesa.

The firms did not immediately reply to a CNBC request for comment, but Ingas and Cryoin have both ceased operations in recent weeks amid attacks from Russian forces, according to Reuters.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/25/russia-ukraine-war-laser-neon-shortage-threatens-semiconductor-industry.html

****Now for the kicker:****


From Wikipedia (you can't make this up):

Global neon prices jumped by about 600% after the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea, spurring some chip manufacturers to start shifting away from Russian and Ukrainian suppliers and toward suppliers in China. The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine also shut down two companies in Ukraine that produce about half of the global supply, and is likely to exacerbate the COVID-19 chip shortage, which may further shift neon production to China.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Mar 26 2022 15:57 utc | 409

As to Biden, you're missing something, the Deep State/DNC division picked Biden, Hunter embroiled in Ukraine was the perfect mechanism/dirt to control him with. But, before the No.Car. primary all but Sanders dropped out of the primary; it was inexplicable at the time. Anyway, as some commentator pointed out, Biden wants nothing to do with Ukraine, would love to be focused on Asia or domestic agenda (though with inflation going as it was, that was a fraught discussion) I'm not sure what Biden knows, but our deep state DOES, and knew they were forcing Putin's hand. So, this seems to all tie back to the election, Kamala, Pete and whomever will get to blame everything on Trump/Joe/Putin and NOW, NOW we can move forward with, and they'll probably pick "great reset" just to pick a fight (that the Dems may not even get, but the Deep St does; they'll keep us divided and thus no elected force can challenge them)

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 26 2022 15:59 utc | 410

The NATO-unity thing isn't helping Biden in the polls. He's still at 41% approval. .here
..TheHill

President Biden is astride the world stage, charting a steady course on the Ukraine crisis — but it’s not doing him much good at home. Biden has largely done what he said he would regarding Ukraine, maintaining a high degree of Western unity against Russian President Vladimir Putin while avoiding tactics that would cause the conflict to escalate. His approval ratings have barely budged. . .here

Not mentioned is Biden's "democracy in danger' that he recently bothered the US troops with in Poland.
...We’re in the midst of — and I don’t want to sound too philosophic here — but you’re in the midst of a fight between democracies and oligarchs. Xi Jinping — who I’ve spent more time with, they tell me, than any other world leader — points out to me that he believes, in China, that democracies can’t succeed in the 21st century.[really, Xi said that?]
...what’s at stake is: What’s — what’s — what are your kids and grandkids going to look like in terms of their — their freedom? What’s happening? The last 10 years, there have been fewer democracies that have been formed than we’ve lost in the world.
...So the question is: Who is going to prevail? Are democracies going to prevail on the — and the values we share? Or are autocracies going to prevail? And that’s really what’s at stake. So what you’re doing is consequential — really consequential. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 26 2022 16:07 utc | 411

@ ptb 407
re: EU joint gas purchase mechanism . .shelter the countries using the joint mechanism from this enforcement.
That would entail new contracts, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 26 2022 16:17 utc | 412

juliania | Mar 26 2022 6:07 utc | 303

"I'm sure that your thoughts have resonance. Though for John, (who is called The Theologian,) who links that word to the personhood of Christ, the word is sacred, God speaking to cause things to come to be. (And you know, for those who think that the Trinity comes later, there it is in those first verses of Genesis - Creator, Word, then Spirit.)"

Beautifully expressed, Juliania.

Body, Speech, and Mind in Harmony, as Shakyamuni encourages us.

Posted by: donten | Mar 26 2022 16:18 utc | 413

@ juliania | Mar 26 2022 5:13 utc | 300

thanks juliania..i don't know the other lazarus you mention, but regarding the one that was risen from the dead - yes - who would believe that in todays world? it doesn't matter what the truth is in a world of propaganda... people who can see this have stay detached and seek the truth.. propaganda is readily available and easy to grab onto... truth - not so much..

Posted by: james | Mar 26 2022 16:20 utc | 414

@98 I installed unbound on my Linux box and it's running. How do you use it then ?

Posted by: Stephane | Mar 26 2022 16:20 utc | 415

@Manage without me(381)
The south of East Prussia is now:
Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warmian-Masurian_Voivodeship
Some Polish politicians goes crazy now like in the 20th an 30th last century!

Posted by: Wolle | Mar 26 2022 16:23 utc | 416

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 26 2022 14:15 utc | 378

no no St Biden laid his hands upon the single pizza, and, lo! the pizza became a multitude of pizzas, enough to feed all the soldiers. or so said MSNBC, and 2 anonymous intel officials so told the New York Times.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 26 2022 16:29 utc | 417

"The US is an Exceptionalist Nation" is creedo on Right wing radio; and has long been the motto back to Manifest Destiny, through Reagan and certainly since the fall of the Soviet Union. It it the justification for NATO; it is an extension of the White Man's burden, that Teutonic Gene that we Whites were infected with, making US uniquely capable of self rule; sorry for the "darkies."

That is an expression that has long bothered me, helped us to not bother scrutinizing our foreign policy; that lets us think Iraq's oil is something we're entitled to; it justifies our hypocrisy, our hypocrisy isn't a problem; we're the exceptional ones, not you; Don't you see?

It's supremacy, supremacy that is cancer, be it religious (Christians and Muslims pervert their teachings to justify their supremacy; and the idea that the God of all has "chosen people" is obviously self-serving crap) Nationalism, racism, they're all cancerous.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 26 2022 16:37 utc | 418

@412 Don Bacon

Maybe. We're in uncharted territory now.

Gazprom's contract types varied from customer to customer. Customers with fixed-price contracts obv.
want to preserve the pricing, but still need to establish security of not getting locked out of their payment channels. Customers on a price formula that follows oil/gas strip prices (with a time lag) might be more willing to think about some kind of mega-negotiation. If the latter group has more political leverage, possibility of pressuring the former group by threatening to break the gas trade using the excuse of sanctions / counter-sanctions?

Can't imagine this getting resolved quickly

Posted by: ptb | Mar 26 2022 16:41 utc | 419

Neon is required for the lasers that are used in a chip production process known as lithography

daffyDuct | Mar 26 2022 15:57 utc | 409

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This neon for lasers story is just lazy repetitive incorrect reporting. The correct explanation for neon consumption is focused ion beam etching.

https://www.google.com/search?q=FIB+etching+neon

Posted by: too scents | Mar 26 2022 16:50 utc | 420

Neon is used for excimer laser operating gas. The gas gets contaminated quickly in use and has to be replaced.

Posted by: Billb | Mar 26 2022 16:57 utc | 421

This discussion about "the" is ridiculous. Nobody denies any Ukrainian to call their country Ukraina, Ukrajina, Україна, or whatever. No Chinese is offended when we speak about "the People's Republic of China", just China, or whatever, and do not get crazy when we don't call it Zhongguo Renmin Gongheguo. That "ghost of kjiv" is just a troll.

Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 26 2022 16:57 utc | 422

Invitation to a concert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z9I1qCVpnk

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 26 2022 16:59 utc | 423

z419 ptb

According to an article by Kommersant from 2019, many contracts already provide for payment in rubles……

“Although most of Gazprom's contracts with European companies provide for the possibility of paying in rubles, no one uses it, primarily because of the transaction costs associated……”

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3906936

Posted by: FZappa | Mar 26 2022 17:03 utc | 424

@424 FZappa
Thanks! Did this option become more common after the previous sanctions post 2015 or so?

Posted by: ptb | Mar 26 2022 17:11 utc | 425

Aleph_Null @399--

Nice to see you commenting again! Hope you're well!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 26 2022 17:14 utc | 426

@425ptb
I didn't find anything else on Kommersant
There is the price of the new contracts with China but the currency is not clear, they look like rubles
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4858093?from=doc_vrez
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5204158

Posted by: FZappa | Mar 26 2022 17:40 utc | 427

Posted by: too scents | Mar 26 2022 16:50 utc | 420
Posted by: Billb | Mar 26 2022 16:57 utc | 421

Granted I didn't write the CNBC article nor vet it. That said, neon apparently IS needed for semiconductor mfg. You missed the main point of my post, which is that semi companies have diversified - to China.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Mar 26 2022 17:59 utc | 428

The effect of constant pervasive propaganda is really taking it's toll on the sanity of people here in the west, just had a talk with a neighbor , who pointed out a newspaper article to me of some dutch ex military guy who said that, we, the west should made clear to the Russians that we will make life hell for them as a consequence of invading Ukraine.

So I just read the article an listened to him, now I know the guy very well and he basically does not give a shit about anyone but himself, so I asked him, you think we should fight and die for Ukrainians ? and he goes "Yes"

So I asked him, you wanna fight and die for people you don't know ? you have no connection with ? You wanna fight and die for the people in your village or in the next town ? he goes "NO", I don't care about them ? So I asked him how come you wanna fight and die for people 2000 miles from here while your not even willing to fight and die for the people around you that you do know personally?

No answer, so I told him you better turn off your TV an stop reading the newspaper because you just told me you wanna fight for people you don't know while you don't wanna fight for people that you do know, that's what all that propaganda is doing to your mind, making you go crazy, making you wanna act contrary to your own sell preservation, the only thing you really care about, then was just dumbfounded.

Posted by: jimmy | Mar 26 2022 18:09 utc | 429

Posted by: daffyDuct | Mar 26 2022 15:57 utc | 409

Funny how they blatantly swap cause and effect.

They turned away form Russian and Ukrainian towards Chinese producs, and THAT raised pricees by 600%, not the other way around they spelled.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 26 2022 18:23 utc | 430

@jimmy | Mar 26 2022 18:09 utc | 429

"constant pervasive propaganda is really taking it's toll on the sanity of people here in the west"

This, exactly. I used to have many intelligent friends and acquaintances with whom I could happily discuss philosophy, history, science, culture, current events. Now it's like a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 26 2022 18:37 utc | 431

Richard, you keep putting the "hack" in your name when you continue to groundlessly insist Russia intends to go to the Polish border. Again, pull it back, you're not a soothsayer, you're not reading tea leaves; you're guessing GROUNDLESSLY. We know they intend to wrap up the Donbass, after that Kiev sits there like a plum, Odessa another. We don't know if Russia will take them, we don't know if they will. We don't know what negotiations/surrender will be entrusted to deliver. Guessing about future events we have no data about is nothing but rank speculation. You should try to refrain from that, it's not good for your credibility
Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 26 2022 15:21 utc | 398

I’d be very careful with what I say if I were you, ScottinDallas. hack has threatened barflies with death if they crossed his path. He refuses to apologize for that. You know, kind of like, water under the bridge, bygones be bygones, old news. Barfly Norwegian could tell you more about it.
I’ve known him through here and elsewhere for over a decade. He considers himself all-knowing, omnipotent, sooth-sayer, seer, transhuman. He tries to overtake threads and reduce the noise-to-signal ratio by cuting-and-pasting copious amount of text, sometimes passing it for his own thoughts.
He has been predicting/advocating the ‘war on Iran’ for multiple decades. First it was by the end of the 2000s. Then by the end of 2010s. I wonder if he has updated it for by-the-end-of, you guessed it, 2020s? Says, there can’t be this much enmity, and no war. Doesn’t realize that in a hot war, the empire will have it’s arse handed to it, and that’s why war by other means is fought against Iran (read: sanction, regime change wet dreams, cultural, everyday vitriol, demonization, etc., etc.)
He’ll of course call me a troll, and ask barflies to ignore me, as I seem to get in his craw, when I call him out.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 26 2022 18:48 utc | 432

@ jimmy | Mar 26 2022 18:09 utc | 429

good story jimmy.. thanks... the fact is people are like sheep and can be herded... your neighbour is a good example of this principle at work..

Posted by: james | Mar 26 2022 18:50 utc | 433

Sakineh Bagoom 432

"He has been predicting/advocating the ‘war on Iran’ for multiple decades. "

We used to hear RSH wolf cries over at Going to Tehran ages ago!!!.. Those "real" man are yet to be born in washington, if ever...

good to see some of those informed voices here from time to time.. (kooshy, SB,,)

Posted by: Rd | Mar 26 2022 20:10 utc | 434

ScottinDallas | Mar 26 2022 15:08 utc | 394

30 more years...

Posted by: donten | Mar 26 2022 20:46 utc | 435

Yes, you are not supposed to say "the Ukraine." This apparently denies its existence as a nation. Ukraine means "plain" in Russian

Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Mar 26 2022 7:47 utc | 319

Ignoramuses, ignoramuses everywhere...

Fake people with fake concerns, bossing everyone to betray their interests in the name of allegedly improtant things those preachers don't care a sligthest.


> This [the] apparently denies its existence

No it does not. Not any more than the United States or the Netherlands.

And even if that would be true, Ukrainians should mind their own businss and stop acting like hegemons, who can order people how they should speak THEIR languages.

English language was not created to "not to piss these Ukies off anymore", it was created for allowing English-speaking people to communicate easily and efficiently.


> Ukraine means "plain" in Russian

1) Ukraine does not mean a thing in modern Language
2) Ukraine as a word first appeared in Polish maps, later in Russian maps
3) Ukraine's stem is "край", which means "edge" or "remote land". In Ukrainian "country" still is "крайина" - "krayinah".
4) Of Russian words Ukraine is similar to окраина, which means "frontier, province". It is argued, that the "frontier" was original meaning when it appeared in old Polish maps. It is argued, that in those ages maps of Poland and Russia had many ukraine's - all remote, newly won but not totally assimilated lands were called so. I did not checkedin depth if that is true or not, but sounds plausible.
5) if people of the Ukraine have problems with the history of thei land name - they can just change it. People of "elephant bones coast" just did this, instead of endless whining. You don't like your hair colour? paint it. You don't like your name? change it. Stop making it everyone's else problem.

> not to piss these Ukies off anymore

And this was just brilliant.

The normative term is "Ukrainian". "Ukie" is a derogatory term by people who believe "nationally-aware" Ukrainians are not a sustainable healthy nation. Even i usually think twice before using it. And only when i was to stress my despising of some people.

So this virtue-signalling paladine from his high ground demands English-speaking people to mutilate their native language and to burden themselves with self-censorship for the sake of morbid overgrown respect to people that Robert Lindsay himself despises and whom he cares so little about he can not even memorize what "Ukraine" word could mean. He does not give a flying F about Ukraineand Ukrainians, but he feels it very important to boss everyone around and lecture what they are and are not allowed to say about Ukraine.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 26 2022 21:13 utc | 436

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 26 2022 15:21 utc | 398

I'm not predicting anything. I'm saying this is the only logical thing Russia can do if they want to achieve their stated objectives. Of course, it's possible that I'm completely wrong. So are all the people saying, "It's only about the Donbass and maybe up to the Dnieper".

And I'm not pulling anything back. If people don't understand what Russia's stated objectives are, they're going to be real surprised if it happens. I'll only be butthurt if it doesn't.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 26 2022 22:57 utc | 437

Paul, if Ukrainian farmers are using Bayer/Monsanto seed, they have no supply, they're not allowed to save their seed stock; that's a violation. That's conventional farming. Now, perhaps they can use the seeds of their Monsanto/Bayer crops, but such hybrids seldom come true through seed. That IS The real threat of GMO, (it probably isn't a big deal to eat it) the real threat is it hybrids into other conventional crops strains narrowing our genomic diversity, rather than widening that. It was reliance on a single strain that lead to the potato famine and many other crop blights throughout history.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 26 2022 15:12 utc | 397

Probably too late for this thread but anyway .....

Am i right in recalling that you are an organic gardener/farmer or am i getting you confused with another poster?

Agreed on your post except for one thing:

Organic growers know that the one two punch of GMO's is not just the seed it's the Glyphosate that's sprayed on to it, whihc is a carcinogen and lord knows what else. I believe it may also be a nerve agent. No proof as yet. GMO seeds are really frankin seeds whch have different genetics to the original. Problem is that it is the original plants are what humans have adapted to over hundreds and thousands of years. So out gut is confused and or damaged.

Posted by: k | Mar 26 2022 23:10 utc | 438

Posted by: james | Mar 26 2022 3:53 utc | 296

I share your frustration about penetrating the closed minds of so many friends.

Once in a while I will try this on . . .

"when was the last time that you heard NPR cover both sides of any issue?"

Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 26 2022 23:28 utc | 439

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 26 2022 15:08 utc | 394

“Juliana, no, that's no argument for the trinity, the Trinity is direct violation of the 1st Commandment; The Holy Ghost appears at the baptism of Jesus; of course Jesus himself denies the Trinity; it's extra-Biblical heresy. “

Agreed

“It's the heresy that divides the Hebrews from the Christians from the Muslims.”

The current Rabbinical sect that emerged out of Phariseeism became mainstream after the destruction of the 2nd temple but was never mainstream among the Hebrews. Their heresy consists in having adopted Persian Unitarianism (originally formulated by Zarathustra) after the Babylonian exile. The Bible is Binitarian not Unitarian and definitely not Trinitarian. Elohim is plural not singular. Jesus reaffirms the Binitarian doctrine in John 10:30; John affirms it in John 1:1; Paul affirms it in 1 Cor 8:6; Daniel affirms it in Dan 7:13. The writings at Qumran reveal the split between Binitarians and Unitarians. The Qumran community had abandoned the Temple service and were preparing for an apocalyptic battle between the sons of Light and the wicked priest at the Temple. Those in the community were waiting for Malki Tzadik (Melchizedek) coming in the clouds of heaven which is what Jesus said to the fake high priest of the Sadducee and that confession sealed His fate. Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 14:62  And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

The Shema Yisrael of Deut 6:4 repeats the sacred name twice (2x) let that sink in, Eloheinu is our Gods (plural) and the “echad” word does not mean singular one but united. It is a union of two who share the same name, YHWH or יהוה and the same Spirit. But the Spirit is not a third person but belongs to the Father. The Spirit covers the virgin Miriam but Yeshua (Jesus) is never called the Son of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus calls the Pharisees and Scribes “Impostors” 7 times in the Peshitta. Their synagogue of Satan is condemned twice in Revelation.

Muslims borrowed from rabbinical and apocryphal sources and also adopted Unitarianism. Muslims, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Rabbinical cultists, Trinitarian Christians are all heretical.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Mar 27 2022 0:19 utc | 440

obliquely, with regard to THE Ukraine discussion - "future all speak chinese syntax, ok?"

re: Sun Tzu | Mar 27 2022 0:19 utc| 440, Juliana etc

there is also the trinity of jingqishen .
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Jing_Qi_Shen

Posted by: tucenz | Mar 27 2022 2:18 utc | 441

@376 Circe "It's all very cute and funny, but what are you really implying?"

That the rush to the outskirts of Kiev was always a feint.

"So are you saying that Putin didn't take the prize, Kiev, even though he sent an impressive column there that was 40+ kilometers long, so he could instead bang away at Mariupol for weeks on end?"

No, I'm not saying he "didn't" take the prize. I'm saying that Putin knew he "couldn't" take that prize.

No, not Mariupol, I'm saying he is aiming for the entire Donbas and the 60,000+ Ukrainian force that's there.

(though splitting the Azov Battalion away from the rest of the Ukrainians was veerrrry deft).

"That’s low."

No, it is commonsense.

Russian forces reached the outskirts of Kiev in THREE DAYS, and then.... did not attack the city.

A nibble here. A probe there. Some raids around the edges. But no attempt to storm the city.

How odd. It's almost as if Putin's heart wasn't in it. Inconceivable!

But if you take the blinkers off and consider that the dash towards Kiev as a feint then it all makes sense.

Kiev is a city of 3 MILLION people. Putin knew he didn't have enough troops to take a city that size without using massive firepower to level the damn thing. That is indisputably true.

But he also knew that if he was bold enough to seize Gostomel from the air then they could be on the outskirts of Kiev in three days, which would make the Ukrainians think he DID intend to storm the city.

That's useful.

Heck, it's more than useful because he can use the THREAT of an assault to keep massive numbers of Ukrainian forces fixed in that spot.

And, meanwhile, over to the east there are Russian forces moving south down the M03 highway, and there are 60,000+ Ukrainian soldiers who are dug in on the wrong side of that road.

I'm right, Circe. I'm certain of it.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 27 2022 3:30 utc | 442

Posted by: Paco | Mar 25 2022 18:14 utc | 105

"In the beginning was the word", so hard to understand how something immaterial can be such a heavy load, more powerful than the most destructive weapon. Now after many years I get to understand what John the apostle meant by defining the beginning of all things as the word. “

And there is your error of understanding because of John’s hebraism. The Word that John referred to is not immaterial nor impersonal. Let me explain, the Greek word transliterated as Word is not an IT (gender neutral) but a HE (gender masculine) according to the Greek -English Interlineal.

λογος
 G3056 
 N-NSM 
λόγος
something saidκαι

N-NSM
Part of Speech: Noun
Case: Nominative (subject; predicate nominative)
Number: Singular
>>>>>Gender: Masculine. <<<<<

The Word is a personal noun in John’s writing that refers to He who appeared to Abram in Genesis 15 who is called in Hebrew דבר-יהוה transliterated DBR-YHWH or Dabar-YHWH. It means “Word of Yahweh”, or if you prefer THE SPOKESMAN OF YAHWEH whom John says also that He is also Yahweh and was with Yahweh in the very beginning. There is much more to this beginning because it is more ancient than the Genesis’ beginning. The Genesis beginning should be translated: “In One of The Beginnings” because it lacks the corresponding Hebrew definitive article “THE” which is a prefix letter hey ה included in the (2) noun as follows:

(1) B’reshit = in A beginning
(2) B’hreshit = in THE beginning

So, we see that the beginning in Genesis is not THE beginning but A beginning when the earth was תהו ובהו transliterated “tohu vbhu” without form and void. But in Isaiah 45:18 we read that Elohim did not form the earth to be “tohu”. Thus, something catastrophic and chaotic happened between the Creation in THE beginning and A beginning retold in Genesis 1 confirming that John 1:1 is at THE very beginning while Genesis 1:1 is only in One of the beginnings.

Posted by: tucenz | Mar 27 2022 2:18 utc | 441
“re: Sun Tzu | Mar 27 2022 0:19 utc| 440, Juliana etc

there is also the trinity of jingqishen “

I can only speak for what I know of the Bible and can witness that there is no Trinity in it. The often referred to in Matthew 28:19 aka Great Commission is a known forgery because this form of bautism was never implemented in Acts of the Apostles. The other forgery (1 John 5:7) which is used to justify the teaching of the Trinity is found in some Greek manuscripts but not in all Greek manuscripts and certainly not in the Peshitta.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Mar 27 2022 7:10 utc | 443

@Tom_12 #
Many, but certainly not all, Jewish names that are "Russified" end with -ski.
Rokossofsky may be a Polish descent Jew as opposed to a "real" Pole.

Wiki says "Polish nobility" but his being born in Warsaw says Jew (Warsaw had an enormous Jewish ghetto prior to WW2). Certainly szachtla in Warsaw is an oxymoron - these were the country squires in Poland much like the dehgans in Rome-era Persia; the lowest level of nobility to my understanding that were the bulk of the Polish military via contributing armed and armored cavalry in lieu of taxes.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 27 2022 7:23 utc | 444

@Cabe | Mar 27 2022 2:17 utc | 193

I can't resist saying how much I enjoyed Norway voting down EU membership not once but twice, in 1972 and 1994. The EU has always provided a model for completely undemocratic, unelected, authoritarian rule not subject to any accountability, a perfect way for the ruling elite to remove any opposition to their desires.

Thank you for your very true and kind words! Yes, we voted it down twice. In 1972 is was called EF (Europeisk Felleskap,'EEC' in english) and it was opposed by all areas outside the main cities. As this image from the TV broadcast at the night of the referendum shows, the countryside opposition was huge. In the second referendum in 1994 (there is always a second referendum when the first does not provide the outcome desired by the 'elite') it was clear we were no linger talking about an 'economic community', but a centralized union. Given the very bad sound of the word 'union' in Norway after the '400-year night' in union with Denmark followed by almost 100 years in union with Sweden, it should be no surprise that the opposition to EU was even stronger in 1994 . I was too young to vote in 1972, but I did vote no in 1994.

I hope the result of the current crisis will be that NATO is recognized as the aggressive tool that it is and that it is in no way providing any security in Europe. Similarly, I hope that the EU is recognized by all peoples of Europe as a non-democratic tool of oppression and exploitation and that Europe will return to a continent of truly independent nation states that serve their citizens instead of some unelected overlord in Brussels or their puppet masters across the Atlantic.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 27 2022 8:15 utc | 445

Let us widen this discourse. Did you know vibrations disrupt cells and molecules and the smallest things are defined by their frequencies? I generalise a little to keep Pure Physics understandable here.

No one has mentioned it on the thread yet so I will gently put it down here on this Sunday morning as the clocks have leapt forward and we are allowed an hours extra daylight in the evening by these who believe - KNOW - that we, the rest of us, are born as their slaves to do with as they wish.

https://www.approachguides.com/wp-content/uploads/AUM-parts.png

In the beginning until the end there is a - a SOUND - that creates, sustains and ends all of existence it is not a ‘word’ that means anything in any language but is only known as a symbol - which is interpreted and transcribed and is only understood by uttering it.

The great mythologist explains the deep symbolism of AUM (Om), a fundamental mantra in the Hindu, Buddhist and Jain faiths. Runtime: 6 min.

https://youtu.be/5nX1AvKipqg

“ The "amen" in Christianity and the "ameen" in Islam and "aum" may show a common linguistic ancestry within the Indo-European language group and it is conjectured that the Aum mantra may have travelled from the East to Europe changing its form and context. Judaism contains the first recorded use of "amen" in the context of a response by the congregation to the priest's prayer. Judaism defines the Semitic verb "amen" as meaning "to be trusted".”
https://www.symbols.com/symbol/aum-or-om-symbol

Sermon over , peace on Earth upon us soon , may whatever your god (or not )go with you.

Amen.

Posted by: Dungroanin | Mar 27 2022 10:52 utc | 446

Latest news from the Donbas front is that the Russians have seized Kamenka, which is a small village south of Izyum on the M03 Highway.

That opens up the M03 and allows the Russians to strike out towards Slavyansk.
There is nothing between Kamenka and Slavyansk except open ground and a big highway.

Put it in your diary: if the Russians take Slavyansk then the cauldron is completely closed, and 60,000 Ukrainian troops are trapped inside it.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 27 2022 11:37 utc | 447

447 - Ukraine is a big place, larger than France (yeah, I've been in Ukraine) so expectations of a Russian win in three days or so were never realistic. a lot of it is quite empty, though.

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 27 2022 12:41 utc | 448

Posted by: Dungroanin | Mar 27 2022 10:52 utc | 446

“ The "amen" in Christianity and the "ameen" in Islam and "aum" may show a common linguistic ancestry within the Indo-European language group and it is conjectured that the Aum mantra may have travelled from the East to Europe changing its form and context. Judaism contains the first recorded use of "amen" in the context of a response by the congregation to the priest's prayer. Judaism defines the Semitic verb "amen" as meaning "to be trusted".”


i will only attempt to cover this from Bible perspective. Amen in Christianity has un doubtfully biblical origins.

Firstly, it is not a verb but an adverb. Its 3 letter root Alef + Mem + Nun (amn) represents: the Bull’s head (constellation Taurus) + Waters + Seed. It shares letters with the hebrew words for TRUTH (Emet) and FAITH (Emunah). It means something / someone truthful and firm.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Mar 27 2022 14:51 utc | 449

Posted by: Kim | Mar 25 2022 16:58 utc | 69

Looks similar to what Gonzalo Lira was talking about, with Americans acting as intel working on psyops, suggesting they were using hulks of Ukrainian tanks as Russian ones, saying they had knocked them out.

Posted by: colin786 | Mar 27 2022 16:22 utc | 450

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Mar 27 2022 14:51 utc | 449

I was told "Amen" means "So be it", in the subjunctive.

Posted by: colin786 | Mar 27 2022 16:47 utc | 451

Posted by: colin786 | Mar 27 2022 16:47 utc | 451

“I was told "Amen" means "So be it", in the subjunctive.”

And that concept is entirely consistent with what I reviewed above, except that “So BE it” is a conjugated verb but Amen is an adverb like: truly, verily, certainly

From BDB Lexicon

H543 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)
אמן
'âmên
BDB Definition:
1) verily, truly, amen, so be it
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H539

Hebrew is a verb oriented language so the action of verbs is either fulfilled and completed (sort of the past tense) or unfulfilled and uncompleted (sort of the future tense). Amen utterances calls for the fulfillment of promises but it is not a verb. You can’t amen something into existence and cause it to be by “amen-ing” it but you can express your confidence, trust and faith that it will come to pass. Hope this helps.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Mar 27 2022 17:18 utc | 452

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