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March 10, 2022

Open Thread 2022-23 (Not Ukraine)

News and views NOT related to Ukraine ...

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@Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 12 2022 18:26 utc | 197
Ukraine may or may not settle down some time soon

That is the million dollar question. If it doesn't settle down
then "getting used to the new" could be anything. And doesn't exclude
learning the best way to fight dog packs for bones.

There is one thing that keeps nagging at me.
The Empire of Lies keeps saying that they (we, the US) are not
going to put US forces into this conflict.

If they are liars -- and they **are** liars -- then
they are trying to lull the Russians with lies before they strike.
And that strike could be something none of us will live through
or would want to.

The US saw this coming years and decades ago. Like an iceberg
in the distance with disaster written all over it. We knew years
and decades ago we were heading for just this moment and we
didn't change course. Several times in this journey there were
decisions to be made and each time we stayed the same course.
Even at the last minute we could have avoided this escalating disaster
but chose not to.

Will we make a good choice now?
History says, ... (wait for it) ....

Posted by: librul | Mar 12 2022 18:43 utc | 201

uncle tungsten,

if you're looking for a national socialism sure to keep the corporations on a very short leash, that would be Strasserism or one of its close relations. Under such an ideology it would be impossible for private corporations to overstep their bounds; since national socialism is a non-democratic form of government, corporate lobbying can't exist to whittle away at the ideology by purchasing the souls of well-connected individuals.

The purist Strasser brothers fell out with Hitler because they didn't believe that the means justified the ends when it came to Hitler's making full use of the existing behemoths of German industry. Of course the Strasser brothers couldn't see the future like Hitler could.

Posted by: reante | Mar 12 2022 18:49 utc | 202

Will we make a good choice now?
History says, ... (wait for it) ....
Posted by: librul | Mar 12 2022 18:43 utc | 201

Thank you for your comment.

I think the Russians pre-empted our planned strike, which is why "Biden" got so annoyed about it. Now they are trying to find some way to "hit back". It is all very personal with our western bigshots.

My point was just that you are better off having an open mind, than thinking you know things that are not so. The past is all being thrown into the dumpster now. "All that is solid melts into air".

Making your own reality tends to finish up like that, when real reality reasserts itself.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 12 2022 18:56 utc | 203

@reante - all
Take heart, we’re not in the twin cities, but just across the Mississippi River, in River Falls, WI.
Although, there is a University of Wisconsin lab farm nearby, and I am certain that there are pesticides and herbicides all over the place.
And, aircraft constantly traverse the skies above us, coming and going from the MS/SP airport.
I use an iPhone 6s.
I purchased an iPhone 12 last year, for Fishbone (Cheri), last year.
But, it’s extremely low mileage.
But, I hear what you are saying about 5G.
I’m an OG.
But, that’s a plus.
Zach Bush really is an impressive human being.
What a mind, and heart to match.
You’re no slouch, either.
I am trying to incorporate as much of the dietary suggestions, that have been shared with me, as I possibly can.
Gets a bit overwhelming.
Information overload at times.
Fishbone is taking blood pressure meds, but we discussed discontinuing them this morning.
I sincerely hope that the concern, and empathy, and kindness that you extend, is returned to you a thousandfold, or more if necessary.
There are no toxins allowed at our place.
And the abundance of birds, and squirrels, and rabbits, and insects, including honeybees that congregate here, tells me that we must be doing something right.
Of course, I planted a small apple and pear orchard here about twenty five years ago (never sprayed with poison), so that may account for the abundance of friendly critters who hand out with us, all year round.
I wish you well.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 12 2022 20:23 utc | 205

Posted by: reante | Mar 12 2022 18:49 utc | 202

"Under such an ideology it would be impossible for private corporations to overstep their bounds; since national socialism is a non-democratic form of government, corporate lobbying can't exist to whittle away at the ideology by purchasing the souls of well-connected individuals.

Your argument does not follow.

Corporate influence doesn't need a parliamentary system or formal lobbying to take place, bribery suffices.

Therefore your alleged guarantee of corporations being unable to "overstep their bounds" under strasserism is a naive fantasy; not to speak of legal boundaries being notoriously arbitrary and selective under any form of fascism.

Strasserism is virtually a meme ideology; judged from the malthusian values that nazism espouses, it is an abject failure.

The peak utility of strasserism lies in being used by nazi entryists to whitewash fascism, just like you are doing here since your first thread.

Strasserism is to nazism what trotskyism is to marxism-leninism: a haphazard minority fraction fetishized by liberals because idealists cannot help but overvalue lost and hopeless causes.

Idealists consistently choose potentiality over actuality; abortive ideological projects have a very high potentiality/actuality ratio, in other words: a lot of mental masturbation for very little accomplishments.

This is the chief mechanism behind the lionization of political dead-ends by liberals and other idealists.

Of course what constitutes a "political dead-end" is hardly set in stone, but it helps explain the romanticization of certain fringe, relatively impotent ideological tendencies.

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 12 2022 21:50 utc | 206

Iran nuclear talks on hold as US gets cold feet

Seizure of two Iranian ships' oil cargo put spanner in works of negotiations as US delegation comes under increasing domestic pressure


Talks in Vienna aimed at restoring the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran have been put on hold after the US announced it had seized the oil cargo of two Iranian ships which it claimed were breaking sanctions.

A pause in the talks is needed, EU representative at the negotiations Josep Borrell Fontelles said, citing “external factors”. “A final text is essentially ready and on the table,” he said.

The Iranian delegation repeatedly warned Washington in indirect talks in the Austrian capital not to seize the cargos of the two Greek-managed ships in Houston and the Bahamas, just as the negotiations on removing most of the sanctions were coming to fruition.

Iran nuclear deal: Russia's sanctions demand leaves Iranians fretting
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Late on Thursday, however, the US released details of the seizure, whose cargo was worth $38m, which were contained in a federal case unsealed last month.

The cargo seizure is not the only obstacle remaining at the talks, which have now dragged on for 11 months.

In its latest reply to Iran, the US made new unspecified demands that surprised and angered the Iranian side.

The US is refusing to lift the designation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a foreign terrorist organisation; an issue between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) on the “possible military dimensions” of Iran’s activities has still to be resolved; and there remains the issue of removal from the sanctions list of other companies, businesses and individuals.

Last Friday, the Russian delegation to the talks demanded a sanctions waiver from the US if it were to continue to participate in the deal to resuscitate the 2015 JCPOA agreement.

About Middle East Eye

Posted by: pogohere | Mar 12 2022 22:39 utc | 207

Well, Miso, at least you're using boilerplate reasoning here, as opposed to your usual refusal of reason altogether in favor of ad hominem.

Firstly you persist in conflating (national, in this case) socialism with fascism. Fascism, in and of itself, again, is the collusion of for-profit corporations and the state, whether it be populist worker-owned syndicalism (Mussolini) or elitist profiteering (Old Testament Capitalism).

Socialism, in and of itself, again, seeks to more or less minimize economic inequality, whether by regulation of for-profit corporations, or by requiring worker-owned for-profit corporate structures (syndicalism), or by nationalizing corporations and setting wage scales, or by limiting market shares of corporations, other means, or by some combination of such regulations. So there's some potential overlap between national socialism and fascism but conflating the two isn't useful.

To your facile point that corporations can pillage non-democratic socialist systems just like they can democratic ones: if they can then they're not really socialist systems are they?

I think what you're getting at is corruption. Yes all political systems are subject to corruption because Dunbar's Number has long-since been exceeded and smoke-filled backrooms exist. BUT, some systems are inherently more corruptible than others in the same way that Alan Watts once, when asked if something or other heinous thing wasn't natural, too, famously and rightly quipped, "Well, some things are more natural than others."

And I dare say that the very foundation of OT Capitalism is overtly corrupt: lend to gentiles at interest but not to each other; institutionalize usury. And so we're not mistaken, the overnight lending facilities at the Fed are the prime public example of not lending to each other at interest. And only god knows what goes on behind closed doors.

And lo, it's like Nicole Foss once said about this globalist system, "It's not so much that the system is corrupt as it is that corruption IS the system."

In a bonafide Strasserian national socialist country, I'm pretty sure there'd be some prison sentences if the heads of nationalized companies were building mansions and driving a different car every day of the week. Bribes are one thing in a socialist economy and an economic elite is another altogether. The latter can't exist and still be plausibly marketed as socialist; that's looney Bernie Sanders neoliberal fake democratic socialism lol.

Posted by: reante | Mar 12 2022 23:50 utc | 208


That's all great news. While there's no true accounting for a serious disease that seemingly comes out of nowhere, it does seem that sometimes even when you're living well skeletons in the family closet can emerge. Industrialism has subjected at least a couple generations of our ancestors to some pretty heavy duty pollution, and those injuries get passed on as unseen weaknesses that catch up with us even though they're not ours. And when our health slips from some trauma that weakness emerges. Sometimes shit just happens and then you die. The key is to go out fighting til fighting's all gone and acceptance takes it's place right?

I speak from experience regarding the GAPS diet. While I never did a strict version of the diet because I didn't feel like I needed to, I followed it's guidelines and after doing so for several years my hypothyroidism, which everyone in my immediate family has, healed. Which allopathic medicine says we're not supposed to be able to heal from.

One of the general windows for becoming hypothyroid is in your 20s, and I became so at 26 after being vegan for five years, and I believe it was from chronic malnutrition.

All disease is either from chronic malnutrition and/or toxic/traumatic exposures, or a combination of the two. Or just one thing, really, since malnutrition is an exposure to traumatic scarcity.

I guess Zach or his friend you mentioned may have clinical experience with ending the blood pressure pills in a situation such as Cheri's. My understanding was that you can go cold turkey on statins but I dunno about BP pills. If she's in a real bad way maybe you can't go cold turkey on anything. Filtering out the synthetic chemicals in them alone, though, are a drag on the system.

Been really nice conversing with you.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 0:16 utc | 209

Posted by: Jen | Mar 11 2022 2:53 utc | 78

Thanks for the reply. I met Ros a couple of times in Sydney and at Upper Wilsons Creek [near Mullumbimbi via Huonbrook] that was after the AFP arrested the others, who mysteriously died in the fire at the Melbourne Women's Jail later. I could tell you some stories....

Posted by: Paul | Mar 13 2022 1:08 utc | 210

This here is even stranger than having a bunch Trots arguing about the ins and outs of Stalin, Communism and the USSR.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 13 2022 1:12 utc | 211

Posted by: pogohere | Mar 12 2022 22:39 utc | 207

Iran & JCPOA:

Thanks for that, explains it better. I think "Biden" doesn't want to give Iran "everything", and so is likely will get nothing.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 13 2022 1:16 utc | 212

1:30 am local time on March 13, 2022:

Iran fires a dozen long-range Fateh 110 ballistic missiles at the US base and consulate in Erbil in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Videos on this Telegram channel:

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 13 2022 1:32 utc | 213

Bemildred 211

Just trying to help people see behind the political event horizon, before they themselves are behind the event horizon, when national socialism comes to power pretty soon here.

The people here going around shouting nazi this and nazi that are closet national socialists. So deep in the closet it takes my gaydar to tell them. Yet that makes me, an animist, the 'nazi.' Up is down.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 2:17 utc | 214

Bemildred 211

Just trying to help people see behind the political event horizon, before they themselves are behind the event horizon, when national socialism comes to power pretty soon here.

The people here going around shouting nazi this and nazi that are closet national socialists. So deep in the closet it takes my gaydar to tell them. Yet that makes me, an animist, the 'nazi.' Up is down.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 2:17 utc | 214

Thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 13 2022 2:29 utc | 215

reante #202

Thank you and you might appreciate the historical events and currents that led to fascism in Germany right up to today.

A moving read:

Here by Cynthia Chung.

I posted this at the Ukraine thread as well as it is entirely relevant there too.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 13 2022 3:12 utc | 216

Dear $outhpaw & Fishbone;
Yet another thing to research is a similar vein to what has been suggested and that is cutting carbs (carbs are processed into sugars by the body) and going into ketosis.

There is an old theory that cancer is a metabolic disease. (Not all but most). The idea is this: They scan for cancer by glucose uptake; they grow samples in the lab with sugar and insulin. So don't feed it what it wants. Some cancers are ambivalent about the energy they consume (sugars or ketones) but some are not (sugar only.) Plus it helps the body deal with chemo.

But this is my hand waving. Please research for your particular situation. Be careful with this if other issues, especially if diabetic. Deep into keto can become ketoacidocis which is deadly. That said, for millions of years, our ancestors didn't grow food. We hunted it and had the odd fibrous roots and some berries to fatten us up for winter. We didn't have super sweet fruits or even carrots.

I don't claim it is a cure all like some, but an adjunct thing. It might help along with treatment.

Best wishes, luck and above all, recovery.

Posted by: bobzibub | Mar 13 2022 6:00 utc | 217

@bobzibub #217
I agree with your opinion.
In prison, a cheap carbohydrate diet was the order of the day.
Between that, and being locked down 23 hours a day, my health deteriorated precipitously.
I went in at 160#s.
Came out at 255#s.
Got up to 285#s, after my release.
(Ate everything that I had been denied for all of those years)
Then I said enough.
Bought two e-trikes for Fishbone and me, started fasting, later eating good food, only when I was hungry, not on cue at a prearranged time.
Presto changeo, I was back to myself (150# range) in several months.
I could have probably exploited my weight loss, by selling my story to one of those miracle diet companies, for a few dollars, but f*ck that.
People congratulate me, and rave about my weight loss.
But, I tell them that it really wasn’t that difficult, because it really wasn’t difficult at all, for me.
Fishbone to has not ridden her trike, YET.
Too sick, feels defeated, and lacks self confidence.
But, the snow is disappearing, (I ride year round myself) so I am hoping that this year will be different.
Thank you for sharing of your time and knowledge.
There are a lot of snarky a$$holes on the internet.
But, this experience, here at b’s bar has been wonderful.
I wish you well.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 13 2022 9:57 utc | 218

@reante #209
A little family history.
Cancer has claimed both of my parents, Fishbone’s mother , and brother, and our oldest daughter, Becki.
Now it’s after her.
I was the primary caregiver for most of these folks, so I have seen the ravages of this malady, up close and personal.
Until now it has always been the same old same old.
Chemotherapy, radiation therapy, clinical trials, suffering, and death.
This time, thanks to a whole bunch of intelligent, caring people, we have alternatives to the same old same old.
I have enjoyed getting to know you just a little bit.
You should be proud of yourself for your efforts in doing for others.
I will let you know how this turns out.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 13 2022 10:09 utc | 219

The people here going around shouting nazi this and nazi that are closet national socialists. So deep in the closet it takes my gaydar to tell them. Yet that makes me, an animist, the 'nazi.' Up is down.

Posted by: reante | Mar 13 2022 2:17 utc | 214

I wanted to add, that those people who are shouting about Nazis now don't look to be all that much into the closet to me. There are people who like to order other people around and people who want to be ordered around. I don't want anything to do with any of that. I'm not taking orders and I'm not interested in giving them out. I don't like herds. I like people in small numbers, a handful tops.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 13 2022 12:06 utc | 220


Thanks for sharing. You've had a do have quite a life of real caregiving. That's an honor. I never wanted anything to do with the career track and became a paid caregiver for mentally retarded adults for 13 years, same house, same 5 people until one died and we got a replacement. They were almost like family to me. What was better was that I was like family to them - until I finally moved on. That was hard for them. People don't stay long in those jobs. After we moved to the countryside I would ride my bike 11mi and take two trains back to work 85 miles away. Did that for two years. Now I'm a school janitor.

Natasha Campbell-Mcbride has a devastating insight. May not want to share this with Cheri I dunno. She talks about how female mammals also use childbirth as a major detox function. MAJOR detox function. It's a deep evolutionary reproductive syrategy to ensure that the female's reproductive cycle can maximize the overall fitness of offspring throughout it's 25-30 years. The mother, in late pregnancy, starts transferring to her uterus her accumulated toxins that she hasn't been able to filter out during her daily detox cycle or periodic illnesses. There are many studies showing highly elevated levels of toxic exposures to babies in utero compared to maternal levels.

The most dreadful disease-related positive feedback loops of industrial pollution -- which is the devastating insight Natasha shares with us -- is that the industrial firstborn bears, by far, the biggest brunt of this major maternal detox function. The mother has probably been accumulating toxins her whole life because we can only process them so fast if we are eating the standard diet, and the delicate firstborn gets a very high, often debilitating exposure. The subsequent children only receive an exposure built up over the intervening period between birth. It's almost like the firstborn is now the sacrificial lamb.

When I take a mental survey of the firstborns I know compared to their younger siblings there is no doubt that the firstborns are less robust as adults in almost all cases. My older brother has GAPS without a shadow of a doubt, and it has a huge effect on who he is. Regarding cancer, there are studies showing that these placental toxin dumps that get flushed from the mother at birth can cause mitochondrial disease in the baby, which we now know is the main driver of cancer. Health is a continuum with inflection gradients. We know both what it is to go through a loading phase in search of physical fitness and then finding it, finding that next level of momentum, flow, that requires more maintenance than did the lower level of fitness but longer requires the loading. You know the gradient change when you feel it, just like love, because it is love. Declining fitness is the inverse dynamic.

Natasha used to be a neurosurgeon in Russia but now is a Russian living in England. She was married to an Englishman raw milk activist until he unexpectedly died of family patterned disease. She continues to walk the talk, holistically farming 27 acres with the help of WWOOF volunteers. She grew up partly with her grandparents who were Russian mountain peasants and she learned from their traditional ways. Traditional societies formally prepared their young adults for parenthood by particularly focusing on a nutrient dense diet, both male and female. Young people need to know this so that we can stop the bleeding. 1 in 2 children now has chronic disease in the West.

Please do let us know.

Posted by: reante | Mar 14 2022 15:02 utc | 221

@reante #221
The world seems to be getting smaller with each successive post.
I spent five years as a client supervisor for developmentally disabled adults, early in my relationship with Cheri.
In fact, we invited all of the clients, their family members, and the staff at the facility to our three day celebration of our marriage.
Some, but not all, of the “normal” people were dismayed at the presence of our “special” friends.
The parents, and the family members of said friends, were ecstatic at being included in the massive party.
One of the attendees, Billy Prather, and I, were born on the same day, at the same hospital.
As they say, there but for the grace of god ( I’m an atheist) go I.
Billy passed several years ago, but we remained friends throughout our lives.
That group of wonderful individuals did more for me, than I ever did for them.
With regards to the subject of pregnancy, and childbirth, I think it would be prudent to withhold this information from Cheri, as I can see no useful purpose in burdening her with this.
You are a thoughtful, kind, person.
I am grateful to have made your acquaintance.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 14 2022 23:32 utc | 222


Awesome. Beautiful. You guys are those people. Those exceptionally loving hearted people everyone else looks up to.

Thanks for not minding me bringing it up with you. No, not for a mother who's lost a child. Thing is, of course, it's absolutely nobody's fault. It's just where we find ourselves. Wanted to bring it up all the same, though, since it was topical to the conversation and, moreover, is a profoundly important truth that, maybe on the offchance, a future child may benefit one day from the sharing of it here.

Thanks $.

Posted by: reante | Mar 15 2022 5:44 utc | 223

@ reante

Thanks for the memories.
I’m recalling the man named Noble, who was dressed in his finest Johnny Cash attire, including guitar, air jamming with the polka band on Friday night, and my band on Saturday.
And, Curt, dressed in his favorite women’s clothing (no dress) beaming, as he was discouraged from doing so by staff at
“the center”.
Or Russell, dancing and hugging all over the place.
His parents shedding tears of joy, as they watched their son, who they had been accustomed to keeping hidden, walking on air, and being warmly welcomed.
I remember walking down the midway at the country fair with Cheri, and being stampeded by a herd of these beautiful people, and surrounded.
Everyone talking at once, telling us the latest and greatest.
I also remember being mocked about my “retard” buddies, by many so called normal people.
Even a minister, who I held in high regard, was often impatient with the exuberance of these curious, isolated, and frequently shunned human beings.
At the sheltered workshop, where I met most of these folks, a higher up got the idea to pay them piece rate for their work, in an effort to reduce costs, as opposed to minimum wage.
That effort backfired, as WE busted a$$, and they earned more wages than they would have normally.
One man, John, had always said, “I want juan ohh ohh.”
I couldn’t decipher what he was trying to say to me, until another “client” informed me that John wanted a $100 paycheck.
By hook or crook, WE got John his $100 check, under the piece rate regime.
When my boss saw how much money his brilliant idea was costing him, he tried to go back on his idea, and cheat my friends out of the money that they had earned.
It was at that point that I threatened to go to the media with his conduct.
My position was not funded the next year.
I ultimately became an auditor/accountant, with greater income.
But, that job was a labor of love, that I looked forward to going to almost every day.
I quit the accounting gig, to found a 501(c)3 nonprofit.
A lot less money.
But no regrets.
As a school janitor, one has the opportunity to impact lives by being an example.
Dignity is not so much found in the work, as it is in the worker.
Try to find a way to laugh a little bit today.
Your chuckles are good for you, and everyone that hears them.
I’m trying to begin reading A Confederacy of Dunces.
I’m told that this satire will lighten my burden.
Give it a try, if you are so inclined.
These nuts who are running the show in the USA, could use some Carlin, or Lenny Bruce, or some humor and satire.
Might help this situation.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 15 2022 10:11 utc | 224

It just dawned on me that I was my mother’s first born.
Mom survived tuberculosis, breast cancer, and colon cancer, before succumbing to lung cancer.
I wonder what will be the cause of my death?
I since I live in the US, odds are it will be a bullet.
Probably distributed by law enforcement.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 16 2022 10:13 utc | 225

The last best friend that I had, besides Cheri that is, was a beautiful, gifted drummer named Adam Segan.
Circle To Circle was one of the bands that he toured Europe with, as an opening act for the Scorpions.
Adan succumbed to cancer, while I was in prison.
Your attention is a lifeline, in a lonely, cold world.
That’s all.
Today is the anniversary of the killing of a courageous woman, run over by an Israeli bulldozer.
Lost her name at this moment.
I display my ten foot Palestinian flag in her honor, today.
I display it every other day of the year to feel solidarity.
Tomorrow is St. Patrick’s Day.
My name is Kelly.
I hope that I do something worthwhile in this personal heritage day.
I will finally eulogize my departed friend, Adam.
Who I never got to say goodbye to.
He came a long way to comfort my dying daughter, Becki.
I hope that you can do something to feel worthwhile tomorrow, also.
And, many, many more days subsequent to tomorrow.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me and us.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 16 2022 22:57 utc | 226

From memory.
Didn’t look her up.
-Rachel Corrie.
She humbles me.
She humbles most of us.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Mar 16 2022 23:16 utc | 227

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