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March 17, 2022

Neo-Nazis In Ukraine Fake Incidents To Gain More 'Western' Support - Updated

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Shashank Joshi writes for The Economist.

Shashank Joshi @shashj - 20:01 UTC · Mar 16, 2022

Striking satellite imagery taken on Monday of the Mariupol Drama Theatre—hit by an air strike today. 1,200 civilians were sheltering in it. The image shows that the word “children” is written in Russian in large white letters in front of & behind the theatre.
(📸: @Maxar)


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The Ukraine claims that such an attack took place. Russia says that the Azov battalion blew up the building.

Evidence for 'hit by an air strike today' and for '1,200 civilians sheltering in it'?

  • Two pictures of some blown up building allegedly from Mariupol (which is currently said to have no electricity or phone service). Note that there are zero people or ambulances in those pictures.

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Evidence missing to support such a claim?

  • Any factual information that an air strike indeed happened
  • Any factual information of casualties of the alleged strike

Evidence that possibly counters those claims?


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Google translation of the above:

News aggregator LNR DNR

See what readers sent from Mariupol. If the message corresponds to the facts, it should be highlighted.

"Zelensky prepares two provocations in Mariupol !!!

- one provocation against the citizens of Turkey, who hid in the mosque built by Akhmetov, and this provocation begins, by chateled by the Ukrainian artilleryrs of the mosque, from the standpoint in the beam on the bottom Kirovka, Zelensky, could not Tighten the EU, USA and Great Britain in the war against the Russian Federation. Now the evil dwarf Zelensky is trying to draw Turkey in the war, in the hope of the eastern explosive emotionality and the love of believers to their shrines.

- The second provocation Zelensky is preparing for pictures in Western media, after unsuccessful provocation with Maternity hospital, UKRAINIAN fighters, TOGETHER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE DRAMA THEATER, GOT MARIUPOL WOMEN, CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE INTO THE DRAMTETRA BUILDING IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE AND SHOW TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT THIS IS THE AVIATION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE URGENT NEED TO CLOSE THE UK. P. DON'T BE SILENT! WE NEED TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS!

https://t.me/novostldnr/2145 - 29.3K views - Mar 12 at 21:27

Confirming the Telegram time stamp is the redistribution of the above by several people:

Elena Evdokimova @elenaevdokimov7 - 5:12 UTC · Mar 13, 2022

Information allegedly came from Mariupol locals ( reminder - they are mostly ethnic Russian) that neo-Nazi from Azov gathered Mariupol women, children & elderly into the building of Mariupol drama theatre and are going to blow it up, blaming the victims on "Russian shelling"

This then seems to be another fake incident just like the curious maternity hospital incident a few days ago where the destruction of a 100+ rooms building resulted in allegations of just 17 wounded people none of which were documented by the immediately available photographers on the scene.

And for those who think that claims of 'neo-Nazi from Azov are ruling Mariupol' are just slandering "Russian" exaggeration I offer this item published yesterday by DW, the German government financed and directed news service:

The Azov Battalion: Extremists defending Mariupol

The notorious Azov Battalion, also known as the Azov Regiment, posted this video earlier this week on its Telegram channel. It announced that it had destroyed three Russian armored vehicles and four infantry fighting vehicles, and killed "many infantry." Then it released a picture of a dead man in uniform, purported to be a Russian general whom it had killed. It is difficult to verify these claims.

The city of Mariupol, which has a population of 500,000, is primarily being defended by the Azov Battalion.
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Mariupol is also where the Azov Battalion, which is part of the Ukrainian National Guard and thus subordinate to the Interior Ministry, has set up its headquarters. Its fighters are well trained, but the unit is composed of nationalists and far-right radicals. Its very existence is one of the pretexts Russia has used for its war against Ukraine.

Initially, Azov was a volunteer militia that formed in the city of Berdyansk to support the Ukrainian army in its fight against pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine. Some of its fighters came from the small but active far-right group Pravyi sektor (Right Sector), whose core members were from eastern Ukraine and spoke Russian. Originally, they had even advocated the unity of East Slavic peoples: Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. Some were soccer ultras, others were active in nationalist circles. Such associations would be described as "free comradeships," or organized neo-Nazi groups, in Germany, Andreas Umland from the Stockholm Center for Eastern European Studies, told DW.

The Center for International Security and Cooperation (CISAC) at Stanford University has collected quite a bit of information on the Azov battalion:

The Azov Battalion is an extreme-right nationalist paramilitary organization based in Ukraine. Founded in 2014, the group promotes Ukrainian nationalism and neo-Nazism through its National Militia paramilitary organization and National Corps political wing. It is notable for its recruitment of far-right foreign fighters from the U.S. and Europe as well as its extensive transnational ties with other far-right organizations. In 2022, the group came to prominence again for fighting against Russian forces in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Mariupol.

In 2014 Newsweek and others documented that Azov is indeed a fascist organization:

Norwegian channel TV2 presented footage yesterday of the Azov battalion flying flags with the symbols of Ukraine's neo-Nazi party - Patriot of Ukraine.

In 2016 Amnesty International accused the Azov battalion of "Enforced Disappearances, Arbitrary Detentions, and Torture".

Since at least 2015 Ukrainian fascists, like members of the Azov battalion, have been trained by the CIA:

As the battle lines hardened in Donbas, a small, select group of veteran CIA paramilitaries made their first secret trips to the frontlines to meet with Ukrainian counterparts there, according to former U.S. officials.
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Until now, however, the details of the CIA’s paramilitary training program on Ukraine’s eastern frontlines have never been revealed. This initiative, say former agency officials, has helped battle-hardened Ukrainian special operations forces for the current Russian assault, which has plunged Europe into its worst conflict in decades.

The Nation in 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine:

Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.

Al Jazeera in 2022: Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment?

These forces were privately funded by oligarchs – the most known being Igor Kolomoisky, an energy magnate billionaire and then-governor of the Dnipropetrovska region.
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In January 2018, Azov rolled out its street patrol unit called National Druzhyna to “restore” order in the capital, Kyiv. Instead, the unit carried out pogroms against the Roma community and attacked members of the LGBTQ community.
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While the group officially denies any neo-Nazi connections, Azov’s nature has been confirmed by multiple Western outlets: The New York Times called the battalion “openly neo-Nazi,” while USA Today, The Daily Beast, The Telegraph, and Haaretz documented group members’ proclivity for swastikas, salutes, and other Nazi symbols, and individual fighters have also acknowledged being neo-Nazis.

One of the aims of the Russian special military operation in Ukraine is to de-Nazify the country. The elimination of the Azov battalion in Mariupol and similar groups elsewhere in Ukraine is certainly on their agenda.

It is no wonder then that Azov is faking incidents like at the maternity hospital and the Drama theater to gain more 'western' support for its side.

The U.S. is promising to deliver more weapons to the Ukraine.

These weapons will make it more difficult for Russian troops to achieve their tasks. They will have to use more artillery and bombing to suppress Ukrainian formations using those weapons. This will lead to much more damage and casualties among Ukrainian troops and civilians. It will however not effect the larger outcome of the operation.

The U.S. is in fact willing to fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian fascist.

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Update 18:00 UTC

AP has just published a funny story on the search for casualties of the 'airstrike'. The funny thing? There ain't any:

Rescuers searched for survivors Thursday in the ruins of a theater blown apart by a Russian airstrike in the besieged city of Mariupol, while scores of Ukrainians across the country were killed in ferocious urban attacks on a school, a hostel and other sites.

Hundreds of civilians had been taking shelter in the grand, columned theater in central Mariupol after their homes were destroyed in three weeks of fighting in the southern port city of 430,000.

More than a day after the airstrike, there were no reports of deaths. With communications disrupted across the city, there were also conflicting reports on whether anyone had emerged from the rubble.

“We hope and we think that some people who stayed in the shelter under the theater could survive,” Petro Andrushchenko, an official with the mayor’s office, told The Associated Press. He said the building had a relatively modern basement bomb shelter designed to withstand airstrikes.
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Other officials had said earlier that some people had gotten out. Ukraine’s ombudswoman, Ludmyla Denisova, said on the Telegram messaging app that the shelter had held up.

Meanwhile refugees who escaped from Mariupol to the Russian side tell journalists that they were held back from getting out earlier by the Ukrainian militia and that it were the Azov Nazis who blew up the theater.

Russian Embassy, UK @RussianEmbassy - 17:28 UTC · Mar 17, 2022

Refugee from #Mariupol says militants from Azov nationalist battalion, while retreating, blew up the city drama theatre, where there were civilians, whom they used as human shield. Militants also deployed military equipment near bomb shelters and residential buildings.@mfa_russia
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There is something special about propaganda designed for the innumerate.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 17 2022 7:56 utc | 1

@ Mr Green Jeans | Mar 17 2022 7:35 utc | #1

#1 is another example of the neoliberal tossage this site continues to be smeared with. We all know that there is evidence the current Ukraine has been overwhelmed by nasty genocidal Nazis, but trying to lump that in with crass & derogatory statements about humans who enjoy playing with different pink bits than 'mister green jeans' claims to prefer, is just a nonsense attempt by a biden lover to smear those of us who see through dems warmongering by tipping a container of homophobic dung over us all.

The same goes for the other dem party operative even if he is an englander who persists in goin off racist about all jews instead of targeting his wrath at zionists, Jew & Xtian.

It is no coincidence that these scumbags have returned at exactly the same time as the primary paid employee of the dems.

Can't leave all this up to b we all need to call out this underhanded nonsense whenever we see it.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 17 2022 8:03 utc | 2

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 17 2022 8:03 utc | 3

Sometimes those are sincere but unstable persons.

But often they are planted, they enforce "tinfoil hat conspirology" myth by feigning sympathy while throwing in spectacularly moronic ideas, which would later by cherry-picked by MSM and misrepresented as our not their ideas

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 17 2022 8:11 utc | 3

These ultra violent nationalists have ironically helped end centuries of western global domination as the multipolar world now emerges. So fitting that the US repeated use of such lowlifes has brought about their downfall. Kia kaha Russia.

Posted by: TEP | Mar 17 2022 8:12 utc | 4

Is there currently any reliable information as to whether there are real victims? Is it a real false flag or a fake one? Using real victims is certainly not beyond these scum. On the other hand maybe the nazis in Mariupol are currently too pinned down by the Chechen forces to manage any real atrocity?

An important background question - is the theatre in question actually in the centre of the city, which apparently is where the nazis have been forced to retreat to?

Posted by: BM | Mar 17 2022 8:27 utc | 5

We do not need lectures from violators of international law - China's mission to the EU responded to NATO

Spokesperson for Chinese mission to the EU answers a question about NATO leader's remarks about China

Q: According to reports, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said yesterday that any Russian support, military support or any other support, will actually help Russia wage a brutal war against an independent sovereign state, Ukraine, and help them continue to wage a war that brings death. , suffering and great destruction. He also stated that China, as a member of the UN Security Council, has an obligation to actually uphold and abide by international law and join the rest of the world in condemning the Russian invasion. What is your comment?

Answer: We have taken note of the relevant comments. The Chinese can fully understand the pain and suffering of other countries because we will never forget who blew up our embassy in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. We don't need lectures on justice from a violator of international law. As a remnant of the Cold War and the world's largest military alliance, NATO continues to expand its geography and range of operations. What role has it played in bringing peace and stability to the world? NATO needs to think carefully.

Posted by: Kim | Mar 17 2022 8:27 utc | 6

Besides the question of which sides has the preponderance of evidences, which b has covered, there is also the question of MOTIVE. What motive do Russians have to bomb a place if they knew the building was occupied by children? I can't think of any.

On the other hand, I can think of plenty of motives for the neo-Nazis to do that.

Posted by: d dan | Mar 17 2022 8:30 utc | 7

Ah, I wanted to point that out too: is it even sure there are civilian casualties? I mean one can suspect Azov of being willing to just kill masses of Russian speaking civilians in order to get a major propaganda benefit but in the case of the hospital (a case which could still be fleshed out more) Azov certainly did not go that far. The policy of Russia has been to go softly on civilians though this can change
so my current differential diagnosis would include, from plausible to hardly credible:
- Fake incident with mere material damage
- staged incident with lots of civilian damage
- hostage situation where Azov protected key assets with civilians and Russia decided not to negotiate (moscow theatre hostage case)
- a mistake happened, bad internal communication
- Russia was lured into bombing the theatre

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 8:32 utc | 8

Early news, hopefully true.

https://t.me/opersvodki/1833

Basically, the bomb shelter survived the blast from Azov battalion. People still trapped inside.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 17 2022 8:33 utc | 9

I love those recent chinese answers.

Posted by: Tapio | Mar 17 2022 8:37 utc | 10

I just got the same news on Geroman's twitter. It shows that however hard you try to get your differential diagnosis complete reality will still show up to behave differently

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 8:39 utc | 11

"Two pictures of some blown up building allegedly from Mariupol"


It is definitely the Mariupol Drama Theatre - a quick Google Street View shows those distinctive fences on the sidewalk.

Doesn't mean it was an air strike, of course.

I did read the day before that an Azov Battalion defector told the Russians that the Azov HQ was in the basement of that building, which is awwwwwwfully coincidental. The story I read was that the civilians were herded into the building and kept there at gunpoint by 12 Azov gun-toters (again, an odd detail. Exactly 12. Not 11. Not 13. Exactly 12).

Perhaps they were trying to trick the Russians into bombing it. Perhaps they succeeded. Perhaps they failed and went to Plan B.

But, really, it does smell of a setup.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 17 2022 8:43 utc | 12

Quick check of flemish papers and state news show fast backtracking. They do suffer terminally from working on reputation : ukrainian claims are true until proven otherwise, Russian claims false until proven otherwise. Ukrainian intentions are good, russian's are bad, U reasons are legit, R reasons are pretexts, and so on. But in this case at least they adapt the story from fact to contested and unclear.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 8:51 utc | 13

I am currently reading a stunning article here translated from Russian intelligence archives of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. The 3-way - or indeed 4-way - comparison of Iraq vs Ukraine and reality (as per plausibile Russian claims plus other sources) vs Western BS is absolutely stunning.

The popular claims of a turkey-shoot were far from the reality. In numerous incidents according to Russian intercepts of US/UK meetings their strategic aims completely failed - including even the attempt to destroy air defences, command posts and communications before the ground offensive started - because of massive use of dummy targets, a secret new communication network etc.

The whole invasion was a severe fiasco. After 12 days they had not secured a single major town, even a tiny strategic village on the border was only precariously held, and the main forces were in danger of being cut off amd isolated from supplies.

At that point (I am still reading) they started using blitzkrieg techniques and illegal weapons and targets.

It is long, but highly recommended.

Posted by: BM | Mar 17 2022 8:55 utc | 14

@BM it is a long time ago but i recall there was a site then which published daily sitreps based on russian intercepts. They had to close down after a while.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 9:02 utc | 15

Yes indeed, it was Iraqwar.ru !

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 9:06 utc | 16

/cont

All the fake criticisms the US makes of the Russian forces were in fact true in the first segment of the US invasion of Iraq - demoralised, pinned down, unable to advance, targeting civilians, huge losses, severe counterattacks, etc - even the failure to win the information war!!

Posted by: BM | Mar 17 2022 9:07 utc | 17

The West should be very careful with the Azov Battalion. Given their apparently vicious nature, when Ukraine loses this war as it soon will, they are going to blame NATO for failing to save them by intervening. With all the MANPADS and ATGMs they've received from principally US and UK, and also NATO, the possibility of blowback should be taken very seriously. The US will get GWOT II and be happy, while Europeans will die in terrorist incidents that will be blamed on the Russia.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 17 2022 9:07 utc | 18

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 9:02 utc | 16

That sounds like the one. It apparently closed down after the Russian Embassy evacuated to Syria. I had no such sources at the time.

Posted by: BM | Mar 17 2022 9:11 utc | 19

>>>>y: BM | Mar 17 2022 9:07 utc | 18

Your link doesn't work as it points back to MoA, this one does.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 17 2022 9:12 utc | 20

Posted by: BM | Mar 17 2022 8:55 utc | 15

Thanks, but the link doesn’t work. Please check it.

Posted by: njet | Mar 17 2022 9:16 utc | 21

@BM one conclusion I recall from that is a bit opposite to the article: If you would have relied solely on iraqwar.ru for info the invasion gave the appearance of going terrible and of being a failure. But then suddenly the invasion was completed. So it is easy to lose sight of the complete picture.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 9:17 utc | 22

> Russia decided not to negotiate (moscow theatre hostage case)

Almost impossible: those examples just do not fit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

Nord-Ost: Russian paramilitary controlled all ins and outs and could choose time and plan of the storming
Mariupol: Russian/LDPR forces were far away and could not even make it to the building, less so approaching it at the moment and from directions of their choice.

Nord-Ost: Utilizing control of the outside, Russian spec-ops injected sleeping gas into the building.
Mariupol: Russians could not use substance or any other non-weapon means in the situation.

Nord-Ost: the blast was prevented
Mariupol: the blast happenned

Nord-Ost: medical emergency cars were far away. Claims are, that organization was very bad, medic cars were held very far place, medics were not informed how to treat sleeping gas poisoning, when they finally were - almost no medic cars had needed controlled substances (only few, by sheer chance). Most of the victims are attributed to this post-crisis mess.
Mariupol: there is no medical services seen on scene. All casualties would be due to the very blast, the crisis itself, not to poor after-crisis management.

I don't see how those cases could be compared.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 17 2022 9:18 utc | 23

As US Senator Lindsay Graham once again calls for the death of Putin, almost a third of Americans would be okay with a nuclear war.


"A Pew research poll published on Tuesday found that while only around half of Americans consider the conflict in Ukraine a threat to US interests, more than a third would support American intervention, even if it risked full-on nuclear war with Russia. Democrats and Republicans were equally likely to consider the risk worthwhile."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 17 2022 9:29 utc | 24

On the other hand, I can think of plenty of motives for the neo-Nazis to do that.

Posted by: d dan | Mar 17 2022 8:30 utc | 8

1. Revenge in advance. "Taking enemy with you".

2. Order from DC, "the offer they could not refuse"

If Taruta's claim (linked by Posted by: Boo | Mar 17 2022 8:33 utc | 10) is true, then it seem to reinforce #2 option: neo-nazi gave to their DC masters the false flags they needed, yet might escape "take no prisoners" attiude.

Yet we can still get a tandem warhead here. An emotional roller-coaster.
Don't forget, Russians did not yet do their loooong advertised "chemical attack".
So, imagine "brave ukrainians" remove the debirs... ....and find the bodies not destoryed by "bombing" yet dead of poisoning.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 17 2022 9:30 utc | 25

Alleged Kiev meeting debunked

Posted by: NotEinstein | Mar 17 2022 9:37 utc | 26

The reason as to why there is a lack of activity and no obvious rescue attempt in the photos may be quite simple.

Azov is still in the area and they can't afford survivors.

Posted by: S.O. | Mar 17 2022 10:13 utc | 27

@ NotEinstein 27

johnhelmer seems to be under heavy attack at the moment

Posted by: BelleDelphine | Mar 17 2022 10:17 utc | 28

BelleDelphine | Mar 17 2022 10:17 utc | 29:

OK for me, but I'm in Thailand.

Posted by: NotEinstein | Mar 17 2022 10:27 utc | 29

RT, however, is a problem here for 2 days now with any browser:

Did Not Connect: Potential Security Issue

Firefox detected a potential security threat and did not continue to www.rt.com because this website requires a secure connection.

www.rt.com has a security policy called HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS), which means that Firefox can only connect to it securely. You can’t add an exception to visit this site.

Posted by: NotEinstein | Mar 17 2022 10:31 utc | 30

Supplementing your text is an article in Russia Today

https://www.rt.com/russia/551975-nazi-influence-ukrainian-politics/

RT 15 Mar, 2022 13:54
Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine

Only the odd word is rhetorical (persuasive), and its literal propositions seem plausible and scholastically sound.

and:
“… a ballistic missile strike on the center of Donetsk that occurred on Monday [14 March 2022 ?]… killed at least 20 civilians.
“The European and American press did not even notice this tragedy in Donetsk, as if nothing happened,” Putin said.”

Is there independent confirmation of this?

Canada has banned RT. Perhaps these are the communications it wishes people not to receive.

Reality gaps in the dead Russian General story: assassinated without destroying his uniform or killing or wounding any of the troops he lead. There should be pictures of the assassination site from which they abstracted the body. and so on.

Posted by: Bob Marsden | Mar 17 2022 10:46 utc | 31

Ze seems to be incapable of making decisions, communicating them and sticking to them. He says one thing and one day later the exact opposite. Ukraine, as a partner in a bargain, with this man in charge is completely unreliable. This doesnt bode well for a possible peaceful resolution, because with all his flip-flopping, the Russians wont trust anything that comes out of Ze's mouth.

Since the Ukrainian leadership is incapable of making agreements and sticking to them, Russia will move up to a pre-planned, and then fortify her positions and organize her occupied part of Ukraine without annexing it. The rest of Ukraine will be left for Ze to govern with the help of the EU and US. Since this part of Ukraine has no economic power, it will be a wasteland with ppl trying to move into the EU or now as refugees settle there permanently.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 17 2022 10:52 utc | 32

https://t.me/dolgarevaanna/574

Another, this time Russian, source seems to confirm that ppl are coming out of the bomb shelter under the blown up by the Azovs theater.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 17 2022 10:55 utc | 33

Thank you b for an excellent analysis. I really appreciate your intrepid energy.
Stay well and happy.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 17 2022 11:01 utc | 34

Hmm, the journalist who is posting on this channel just deleted the message...

Posted by: Boo | Mar 17 2022 11:03 utc | 35

Jake S. did warn the Russians for false flag attacks ... reading from the Pentagon playbook. List of actors in Kyiv, Lviv and Mariupol ... 🤡

Posted by: Oui | Mar 17 2022 11:08 utc | 36

Posted by: BelleDelphine | Mar 17 2022 10:17 utc | 29

Try to replace johnhelmer.net with jonhelmer.org in the links. Currently works for me (Germany), ymmv.

Posted by: TomD | Mar 17 2022 11:19 utc | 37

@3 Debsisdead

I am not sure that there is any point responding to those kinds of trolling poster. You used more words than s/he did. I think perhaps that stoney silence is the best approach. There was a lovely example in an earlier thread where all the adults could obviously see the puerile comments but said absolutely nothing.

I do understand your motives tho.

Posted by: echelon | Mar 17 2022 11:24 utc | 38

P.S.

Happy St Paddy’s Day!

Posted by: echelon | Mar 17 2022 11:26 utc | 39

On western media... There is Figaro, promoting yet another "anonymous" namefags from Twitter, claiming Russian Army in the fake of loosing the war is going to cut and sell all Ukrainian forests.

lefigaro .fr/international/anonymous-dit-avoir-pirate-les-serveurs-du-fsb-les-services-secrets-russes-20220317

twitter .com/YourAnonNews/status/1503714873791979522/photo/1

That's again incoherent trash, written in poor Russian - they tried to proof-read but failed, they of course could check every word against a vocabulary, to avoid spelling mistakes (at least they now have some diligence), but still combine words that do not make sense together.

So basically, the poor-qualit "scan of secret document" makes no sense itself.
Then even that text is mis-represented on the twitter.
Then Figaro mis-represented even twitterian "account".

Onion-like BS.

Too lazy to elaborate, if if anyone cares, then briefly an in Russian here:
https://aftershock.news/?q=comment/12070295#comment-12070295

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 17 2022 11:35 utc | 40

@MoA

BBC reporting now 4 Russian generals shot dead. Anyone keen to debunk it or confirm it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60767664

Posted by: Et Tu | Mar 17 2022 11:35 utc | 41

Unfortunately for these lands, the horror from almost 80 years ago in WW2 is repeating, with same players. I hope this will be last time.

There is a huge legal persecution of western stooges and politicians for war crime in Ukraine coming. Of course not in fake Hague. Mirror institutions will be created in eastern/southern sphere of this planet, and Russia will make sure all accountable for what is happening here will pay dear price.

Not nazis that are getting killed now, most of them will not live to see the trial. It is their masters, sponsors, supporters, all those people chatting, talking and mailing via telcom infrastructure Russia left standing and is snooping.

If Chechen war was indicator of anything, it is that if Russia can't put you to jail for killing children, then it will kill you where ever you are.

Posted by: Abe | Mar 17 2022 11:37 utc | 42

Re the Mariupol Drama Theatre queries (comments from BM #6 and d dan #8)

On the SF site, their War in Ukraine Day 21 page mentions the incident. They say Azov had set up an HQ in the theatre's basement and were holding civilians in the theetre,guarded by 12 Azov soldiers. There is a video allegedly showing the scene, which is quite calm, with a crowd of (mainly) women and children and several armed men in uniforms.

SF has also posted a video (screen logo: Anna) of 'a woman who evacuated from Mariupol with her children', apparently being interviewed by journalists. I think they're speaking Russian rather than Ukrainian, but I'm no expert. According to SF's summary, the woman says Azov evacuated their theatre HQ on the afternoon of March 16, and blew up the building. There were people injured by shrapnel, but the summary doesn't say whether there were still civilians actually in the theatre or not. Maybe no one knows. SF doubts there was a Russian airstrike, as there was street fighting in the area and aerial bombing would have been too risky (although several commenters here say RF and DPR troops were not in the vicinity, but who knows?). The presence of the Azov HQ would certainly be a reason to bomb the building, but the 'children' markings on the ground outside the theatre would have made Russian commanders think twice, and the Azov sabotage explanation seems more logical. In any case, the incident is being milked for all it's worth by French MSM propaganda - as well as the idea that Russia, because its miltary operation is 'failing', will soon carry out a chemical weapons attack. I suppose public opinion is being whipped up into even more of a frenzy in order to justify a NATO intervention. That's what's worrying.

it would be interesting to have a translation of the Mariupol evacuee's testimony.

Posted by: B. Wildered | Mar 17 2022 11:39 utc | 43

I think perhaps that stoney silence is the best approach.

Posted by: echelon | Mar 17 2022 11:24 utc | 37

No. Then they would selectively quote that nonsense as what we all believe in. Since none of us voiced any confusion or disagreement, then we are all agree with that idiotic BS, then we are idiots ourselves.

That's the tactic. 9/11 "truthseekers" are idiots who don't know at which temperature steel liquifies, right? There should obly be two stories about any problem: official and patently idiotic alternative.

And while we can not prevent selective quoting in pro-Nazi media, we can at least make sure that anyone curios to read more and landing here would eaisly see it was not so and we called out BS

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 17 2022 11:40 utc | 44

Russia shelling panamesian vessels. One sunk.
Says german msm. Can’t find any further support:
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2022-03/schwarzes-meer-panama-schiffe-russland

Posted by: njet | Mar 17 2022 11:41 utc | 45

Yalensis is russian and lives in NYC.
He translates russian sources an gives a daily overview.
Today:
It’s not only about denazi and demilitarization, but also about nationalisation of ukrainian industry. Bitter insight also into the fight for Kharkow:
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/

Posted by: njet | Mar 17 2022 11:55 utc | 46

The West's seeming plan is to stretch out this war forever.
The Corporate Media's psy-op is that this is somehow the "humanitarian" response. This needs to be countered heavily within the West, for the sake of Ukrainian people, the Russian people, and the people of the West.
The longer it's dragged out, the more Ukrainian citizens die. The more Russian soldiers die. The more Russia's and the West's economies go to hell. Nobody profits except those literally profiting from arms sales.
My latest post is a "letter" specifically addressed to people who only consume corporate media.
Check it out. Forward it to your friends and family.
https://cluelesshonky.blogspot.com/2022/03/one-big-backstory-behind-everything.html
Write your own. Forward it to friends and family.

Posted by: Clueless Honky | Mar 17 2022 11:59 utc | 47

Arioch@43

Well said. Also it's quite telling that the troll was on high alert to post his garbage as #1 comment only 2 minutes after b's publication.

Posted by: rudi | Mar 17 2022 12:03 utc | 48

Most of us here can easily ignore the dumb #1 comment, and instead focus on the excellent analysis of the main article. The problem is for those around us who are influenced by MSM (the vast majority) and read that first post, and also narrative managers who want to discount MoA with the usual smears (they do it because it works) with the usual racist/anti-semitic/(in this case)homophobic claims to discount the larger truth.

I'm not one for censorship and support a free exchange of ideas, but moderators are there for a reason and have been employed even here at MoA when it is decided for the greater good. I would consider it here.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Mar 17 2022 12:10 utc | 49

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 17 2022 11:40 utc | 43

I absolutely agree!
The rejection of trolling propaganda is essential for the soberness, rationality and reputation of this blog!

Was nichts daran ändert, dass wir inzwischen die Situation haben, dass jede Quelle nur noch nach ihrer Geschichte beurteilt wird. Als alter Linker macht es mir Kummer, soviele wichtige und gute Beiträge von Autoren zu lesen, deren konservative Haltung ich nicht teile.

Posted by: njet | Mar 17 2022 12:13 utc | 50

It has long been said that the AZOV forces were holding hostages as a shield. The Russian and Separatist forces appear to be taking every precaution to prevent civilian casualties. Now AZOV soldiers know the game in Mariupol is nearly up this demolition is probably a last desperate act - because if any are captured the war-crimes already committed will become a factor in their future.

False-flag also springs to mind.

For the liberated people of the Donbas there is another stark reality facing them. Once the fighting ends the virus nonsense will take over.

https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/03/17/after-the-war-the-future-looks-bleak-in-donbas/

Posted by: John Goss | Mar 17 2022 12:24 utc | 51

Ramin Mazaheri's latest piece at the Saker is an interesting perspective as to why westerners keep their blinders on with regards to the Azov Battallion and the truth of Nazi influences in Ukraine
https://thesaker.is/the-russian-denazification-pr-disaster-how-why-and-what-to-do/

Posted by: Kabobyak | Mar 17 2022 12:32 utc | 52

Yes i saw that telegram report about upcoming ukronazi provocation. This news came as no surprise. They have repeatedly blown up, shelled, destroyed civilian infrastructure, passing it off as "Russian atrocities". I can only repeat that everything that comes from Ukraine is based on lies.

Here's another interesting telegram report (translated):


Important!
Some refugees from Mariupol have already been placed, including in Crimea. A relative of my close friend, who was yesterday at the Drama Theater of Mariupol, has already written from Simferopol. He said that there were more than a thousand civilians in the theater. The Azov militants installed explosives on the roof and under the roof. Before the explosion, Ukrainian militants of the Azov regiment allowed all civilians to leave the theater building.

Posted by: alaff | Mar 17 2022 12:35 utc | 53

Recommending the Interview from Eva Bartlett with Russian Military expert Andrei Martyanov on Russia's denazification operation in the Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxZMhCtYN2k

Posted by: maningi | Mar 17 2022 12:38 utc | 54

Regarding AZOV Battalion: when you look at the edit history of the wikipedia page, you can clearly see that some group is trying to re-frame all this and trying to eradicate any right-wing information contained in there.

Posted by: zet | Mar 17 2022 12:43 utc | 55

b.: "This will lead to much more damage and casualties among Ukrainian troops and civilians."

Of course the yankees will fight until the last ukronazi.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 17 2022 12:45 utc | 56

@55 The Yankees will fight until we are all dead. Even hopeless bourgeois liberal Jeet Heer states in Twitter today that the odds of a nuclear holocaust are about 3 in 10 and in reality they are much higher than that. I would say the odds of the human race surviving till Christmas are about 1 in 3, maybe less.

Posted by: Hidari | Mar 17 2022 12:49 utc | 57

Today there was a report coming from an eye witness that before blowing up the theater Azov fighters allowed civilians (approx 1k people) to leave the building. So it was a false flag alright but, at least, it wasn't as bloody as it could have been.

Posted by: AmigoS | Mar 17 2022 12:54 utc | 58

B. Wildered @42

Can we have a link please.
Stay safe everyone, love from France

Posted by: exttremebuilder | Mar 17 2022 12:59 utc | 59

This is the horror of war. This could have been avoided if the US opened her mind to talks with Russia before the war went hot. Washington is waging a proxy war in Ukraine and the casualties as usual are the civilians. Civil casualties are the expected outcome of US resort to covert and mentally ill types of operatives.

It is sad the US will provide additional dollars to Zelenskyy to keep those kind of atrocities going on. But with 30 biolabs experimenting with WMD's in the Ukraine territory the future US led attacks on Russian civilians might have been worse in the years to come as the US targets bioweapons on Asian people.

People start to hope that Washington will be vaporized soon.

Posted by: Richard L | Mar 17 2022 13:00 utc | 60

In response to B. Wildered@42,

The woman is speaking in Russian, although not at the level of a native speaker imo -- that is, she makes numerous uncharacteristic mistakes which I'll include. I'll attempt a translation, although some words are inaudible, particularly names and places, and will be marked with a (?). W=Woman I=Interviewer M=Man etc.

W: Don't know what to say. (?)
I: (Behind camera) You'll be asking the questions? Ok ok.
I: You made it out of Mariupol today? Is that correct?
W: Yes, yes.
I: How did it happen? Who helped you get out? Who gave you the information...
W: We came to a realization (literally, we opened our eyes) sitting in the basement of Tirasport (?). Us were told that Russian soldiers had moved in and were cleaning up the town, that we needed to get out. To go to Portcity (?).
Those who could went by car, but we went on foot -- with small children -- empty cars wouldn't pick anyone up, because everyone's afraid to stop. On the way there's nothing, no houses, everything on fire. Everything is on fire, dead bodies laying about -- people, soldiers. Kids are screaming, crying -- we went under fire (literally under bullets).
Barely made it to the buses. On the way soldiers, yours, Russian as it turns out, gave kids sweets and food. Don't know what else to say. *shrug*
Under fire, everything is aflame. No roads, no houses, no nothing. And all this time, Azov were simply taking cover (hiding) behind us. We were a living wall for them, that's all.
I: On the topic of kindergartens... (?) (I think I hear the word "hiding" so something like, hiding in kindergartens)
W: Yes, everything. Destroying everything in our wake. Everything around us, they simply wouldn't let us out. We sat in the basement for 15 days. With children. We didn't have water. Kids were all screaming. They wouldn't give us water, wouldn't give us anything. There aren't any stores there, there was nothing.
I: Did you turn to...
W: And we didn't see them. They'd come and go in their tanks, park their tanks, wouldn't let us leave. And we had to hide not to get shot, and that's all.
I: Could you be specific, where did they park their tanks?
W: In front of "ter" (?), that is in front of the shelters. And on retreat, they bomb/destroy the shelters just for the hell of it. They brought people to us with shrapnel wounds, that's it.
I: Did they provide any humanitarian supplies? Medical supplies?
W: No, we... by ourselves, our guys, together with police, had to break into (literally open) stores to get the kids something to eat, I admit it. (I'm assuming she's embarrassed about having to loot to survive) Took groceries and brought to us so that we had something to eat, no humanitarian supplies made it to us.
I: During these 3 weeks, there were negotiations between Ukr & RF regarding humanitarian (green) corridors. Mariupol, Volnovaha...
W: There were no green corridors. Ours tried to get through to Zaporozhie, they never made it back, presumably shot.
I: They returned shot?
W: Didn't return. Were shot.
I: The ones that went?
W: Yes. One went by bus (?), someone on their own by car (?).
I: And what about the direction of Donetsk?
W: Not realistic.
W2: They wouldn't let us.
W: They've blown up the bridges. I don't know zapasmost (reserve bridge maybe ?). Left side of the river from where us is... Nothing. There are only ruins. They just corralled us like a herd, piled us up in one place, and that's it.
W2: (inaudible)
W:People are left only in a circle and that's it.
M: (behind camera inaudible, something like shot from all sides, shooting over head etc)
W: Yes. Only today we got a green corridor.
I: Your relation with... you met soldiers. That is, did somebody, for example, help you with something or just...
W2: Russia, yes.
W3: We got chocolate. (or something)
W: (pissed off) I don't give a fuck about chocolate. Don't talk about chocolate. If you're so smart, come here and give the interview. Like, wtf, when your kids are sitting in basements everything is fine? When your own soldiers, Ukrainian soldiers are killing you, that's perfectly fine? You're standing in line and they're running around with automatic weapons -- make way. I'm sorry, but my nerves can't take any more. I'm coming unhinged.
I2: (inaudible something help)
I: We're not asking about chocolates, but about interaction with the soldiers.
W: Normal interaction, but it's scary. It was said they would shoot people, it's scary. Kids were walking, everyone is hysterical, everyone crying. They see a soldier (inaudible, someone shouting in the background) ours, Ukrainians, you go into a store, stand in line, they come in drunk off their ass, armed to the teeth, push you out, that's it (inaudible) that's how it was for us. That's it. X3
I: (question cut off)

There isn't a whole lot of information, or at least new information. Pretty much the way Ukrainian forces were reported to behave in occupied DNR territory even before this Russian operation. Nothing about the Theater.

Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 17 2022 13:01 utc | 61

Also, listening to the Ukrainian officials as well as the western media, this russophobic hysteria reminds me of the very, very dark times here in Germany, just on a global scale:

- the ukrainian foreign minister calls for a complete eradication of russian culture
- the french economic minister calls for a "total war" against russia
- german clinics refuse to treat russian patients
- numerous hotels reject russian customers around the globe
- russian shops, restaurants, schools, churches get attacked worldwide
- Facebook allows calls for violence against russians
- Twitter de-ranks russian accounts

Plus countless other anti-russian incidents / actions / sanctions targeting ordinary russian people – you can find a documentation here: https://t.me/Russophobia_Watch

All this is more than just troubling.

Posted by: zet | Mar 17 2022 13:02 utc | 62

@all - I have deleted a troll comment at the top of the thread.

Posted by: b | Mar 17 2022 13:05 utc | 63

@ Tuyzentfloot....I still wonder what ever happened to RPG Man....Iraqwar.ru did give a better picture than the shit being floated by the MSM at the time. A prototype of what the MoA or Saker are today perhaps?

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 17 2022 13:07 utc | 64

"The U.S. is promising to deliver more weapons to the Ukraine." to be read as "Biden is promising another windfall to the US Military Industrial Complex"

Posted by: deltasquared | Mar 17 2022 13:39 utc | 65

Quick check of flemish papers and state news show fast backtracking. They do suffer terminally from working on reputation : ukrainian claims are true until proven otherwise, Russian claims false until proven otherwise. Ukrainian intentions are good, russian's are bad, U reasons are legit, R reasons are pretexts, and so on. But in this case at least they adapt the story from fact to contested and unclear.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 17 2022 8:51 utc | 13

Canadian news last night was unequivocal, it was a deliberate Russian airstrike. But then we have the largest Ukrainian diaspora in the world and pandering for audience share is part of their business model.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 17 2022 13:45 utc | 66

Some 10+ Russian military VIP jets have left Moscow at around 8:00 UTC today flying to various cities behind the Ural mountains.

Potential distribution of government in preparation of a nuclear attack.

Posted by: b | Mar 17 2022 13:48 utc | 67

@66 b

possible practice run?

https://twitter.com/vcdgf555/status/1504449209654644736

Posted by: ptb | Mar 17 2022 13:54 utc | 68

War on Fakes has issued an official MoD denial

https://waronfakes.com/mo-rf/fake-the-russian-army-struck-the-mariupol-drama-theater-by-a-heavy-duty-bomb/

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Mar 17 2022 13:56 utc | 69

In addition to my post@61,

I listened and read a few transcripts of the interview, for accuracy, and viewed the interview a few more times to try and catch more. I can confirm that, at least in regards to the Drama Theater, yes, she does in fact mention it. She says "dramteatr" very quickly, which I at first interpreted as "dramdyat" or "drambyat" which I just took for a word approximating "destroy." But SF has it right, she does say:

"On retreat, they destroyed the bomb shelter, Drama Theater, just like that. People were brought to us with shrapnel wounds and that's it."

There's a bit at the end quoted by Ukrainian blogger Mikhail Anufrienko, in one of his sitreps for today.

After listening to the interview again, I have to admit that his quote is accurate. Where I wrote "they see a soldier" (inaudible) it should be,

"They saw your soldiers and cried, because they had become accustomed to the behavior of ours, Ukrainians."

Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 17 2022 13:57 utc | 70

"Fighting down to the last ukranian fascist"

And they're stupid enough to commit suicide for the US political goals. That'll work out well with Russian goals since many of the newly arrived fascists and tons of equipment will be incinerated as soon as they cross the border. Another goal, since Russia has begun paying out pensions and social benefits in liberated areas along Novorossiya seems to be to in some shape or form keep south of the Dnepr under its wings. That's exactly what these people wants. For Russia to stay this time.

Posted by: mikhas | Mar 17 2022 14:03 utc | 71

"This is how the world ends"
"...the Russian Federation likely has First Strike Capability, meaning that it can launch a nuclear attack first, destroy nearly all of America’s arsenals and most important population centers, disorganize or frustrate any counter attack, and rely on its well developed anti-ballistic missile defenses to ward off any of the residual U.S. capability. That was the clear objective of Putin back in 2007 when Russia was humiliated and impotent before the American hegemon. He reached that objective in 2018." https://gilbertdoctorow.com/

An important column by Doctorow today, in which the increasingly real possibility of nuclear war is discussed.
He also remarks on the utter folly and idiotic calls for the assassination of Putin, including Biden-who is taking a big lead in the "Stupidest President ever" race- adding 'war criminal' to his previous pronouncements of 'thug' and 'killer.'

I note that Google is now including an appeal for funds to be sent to Ukraine with a matching donation pledge.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 17 2022 14:04 utc | 72

"Some 10+ Russian military VIP jets have left Moscow at around 8:00 UTC today flying to various cities behind the Ural mountains.

Potential distribution of government in preparation of a nuclear attack."
Bernhard.

This traffic has been going on for days according to flightradar24...

Posted by: mikhas | Mar 17 2022 14:06 utc | 73

This comment was posted on your site on March 2 by "alaff":

<"Emergency statement of the official representative of the People's Militia of the DPR at 15.30 02.03.2022

According to operational information received in the city of Mariupol, on the territory of the Azov-Stal plant, the commander of a separate special forces detachment "Azov" of 12 armored units of the National Guard of Ukraine is preparing for a mass provocation with the death of civilians. For this purpose, the civilian population is brought into the territory of the Azov-Steel plant, which is placed in mined workshops and office premises. Military equipment is placed in the courtyard of the enterprise. In the event of a breakthrough in the defense of the city of Mariupol by units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the nationalists plan to blow up the plant's buildings, with further accusation of the Russian side of destroying civilians and civilian infrastructure with artillery fire.

In the basement and premises of school No. 34 on 17 Gastelo Street, more than 60 civilians are forcibly detained, of which more than half are women and children. All civilians who tried to leave the city through the provided humanitarian corridors are forcibly brought to the school. According to information from the teachers of the Priazov State Technical University, located along Universitetskaya Street, 7, militants from the Azov unit began to mine the building, as well as the approaches to it with controlled explosive devices.">

I presume they became more ambitious and decided to use a larger venue for their false flag. Unless they ALSO plan to do this with a school.

Posted by: Mark McCarty | Mar 17 2022 14:19 utc | 74

Like the hospital bombing, there does not seem to have been anyone inside the theater when it was destroyed. perhaps some of the azov boys are hoping to get out of this alive. No more pics on twitter. MI6 is getting a bit negligent.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 17 2022 14:20 utc | 75

This is kind of a funny video of the dumb mercs who did not get blown up at the staging base 10 miles from Poland. Many of them are whining like little Instagram bi*t*ches. The guy at 12:40 is pretty interesting. Some American dude. He said they were only giving them 10 rounds and maybe 1 magazine at most and wanted to send them to Kyiv. He said the foreign volunteers said no. The Ukies said leave or we will shoot you in the back. They hid to escape. This American dude quickly found out the people he came to fight for, not the average Ukrianian people, were Azov/nazi scum. These are the people who have been terrorizing and robbing the Ukrainan people.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0RQ1EGEebajA/

This sounds like the usual sh**i*t that the Azov thugs and other nazis pull in Ukraine. During the last war with DPR and LNR about 5 years ago or more, the Ukie conscripts were pushed to the front to die. Behind them were the Azov scum with their guns pointed at hapless Ukie conscripts. They gave the conscripts no weapons, very little food, clothing or supplies.

Posted by: Edvard | Mar 17 2022 14:25 utc | 76

I now have zero doubt that it was Azov that shot down MH17 as a false flag:

https://caucus99percent.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-now-obvious-nose-your-face-mh17-shootdown-was-false-flag-executed-elements-ukrainian

Posted by: Mark McCarty | Mar 17 2022 14:25 utc | 77

@Bob Marsden #31

In Canada try using Brave browser, I switched from Firefox/Adblock combo and can see RT, Sputnik, The Saker and Southfront no problem.

Posted by: Old canadian | Mar 17 2022 14:35 utc | 78

Mark McCarty | Mar 17 2022 14:25 utc | 76

Kolomoyskyi was involved and he funds some of these nazi militias though at the time I thought the gang he funded was Dnieper. the interior minister at that time was also involved. he produced some of the earliest propaganda pics. azov is I think now intertwined with the interior ministry.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 17 2022 14:38 utc | 79


Russian ship turned away
https://whdh.com/news/russian-ship-turned-away-from-maine-port/?fbclid=IwAR1IBtfKfzWCB-0kwOSjtHhdUOWwtU5aYKo-UUy2IaNSNdt_BXvVFonSfDI

The Fesco Ulis, which is classified as a general cargo ship, was operating under the Russian flag and was carrying 8, 000 tons of petroleum product called solid pitch, which is used in manufacturing.

Ahead on the jobs front more layoffs due lack of materials, parts, ingredients.
= = = = = = =

The Biden/Obama III administration and vassals know not what they are weaving...dollar will no longer be a trusted asset.

Gold at $10,000?........

What’s next for the global financial system after Russia’s central bank gets cancelled.

The shockwaves are still being felt by the incredible Western sanctions that have rendered the $630 billion in reserves the Russian central bank accumulated virtually unusable. Can the current dollar-centered global financial system last if money can be summarily cancelled?

Arthur Hayes, a former emerging markets trader and co-founder of the BitMEX trading platform, argues central banks will choose, instead of dollars, to load up on either gold, storable grains like wheat, or storable commodities like oil and copper. “In essence, the largest surplus countries’ fiat currencies will implicitly grow their gold or commodity backing,” he writes, saying gold could rise beyond $10,000 per ounce. 

Luke Gromen, publisher of Forest For The Trees and a long-time dollar bear, said that shift had been happening even before the sanctions. In a podcast with Grant Williams, Gromen said that over the last eight years, global central banks have bought about $260 billion worth of gold, compared to $60 billion in Treasurys. “So there’s been this very slow, but steady and recently accelerating move toward the away from this dollar system that broke in 2005, through 2008 to this system that looks a lot like what was proposed by [John Maynard] Keynes 80 years  ago.”[.]

Gromen, like Hayes, expects more gold accumulation. “So every central bank in the world is now looking at this thinking, okay, we need to not be in a position where that can happen to us. Because who knows what might happen in the future and what might get us deemed a bad actor. So presumably they are going to be looking to accumulate a lot more gold,” he said.

(It should be noted that gold has its perils for foreign central banks. In Russia’s case in particular, the central bank won’t be able to sell to any western entity directly, and bipartisan legislation introduced in the U.S. Senate would impose secondary sanctions to any American entities knowingly transacting with or transporting gold from Russia.)
 
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-at-10-000-death-of-the-40-year-bull-market-in-bonds-whats-next-for-the-global-financial-system-after-russias-central-bank-gets-cancelled-11647512679


Note to author. Except There is the Shanghai Gold Exchange. And once the ore is refined? Btw. Swissy also is on board with sanctions on Russia. Considering Russia is the 2nd largest gold producer after China, Swissy gold refiners will face shortages.

= = = = =

Yesterday, , WH spox Jen Psaki was asked to explain why Biden called Mr. Putin “a war criminal” she replied “he spoke from his heart.” WOW

Guess he projected much:

Resurfaced Video Shows Biden Confessing He Proposed Bombing of Belgrade in NATO Op in Yugoslavia

https://sputniknews.com/20220317/resurfaced-video-shows-biden-confessing-he-proposed-bombing-of-belgrade-in-nato-op-in-yugoslavia-1093953765.html

The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, reposted the footage on his social media account, reminding the current US President of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia that is estimated to have killed about 2,500 people, including 89 children.

“Can Biden be reminded who the war criminal is?" queried Rogozin, adding:
"On the edge of his grave, this bloody old man must remember his atrocities, the thousands of civilians he killed."[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 17 2022 14:48 utc | 80

@Mark McCarty | Mar 17 2022 14:25 utc | 76

I now have zero doubt that it was Azov that shot down MH17 as a false flag:

The truth of that story needs to get out, whatever it is.

It has been clear since 2014 that western politicians (John Kerry and more) lied about it publically.

John Kerry August 12, 2014: “This type of weapon, all the evidence of it was seen on our imagery. We saw the take-off. We saw the trajectory, we saw the hit. We saw this aeroplane disappear from the radar screens. So there is really no mystery about where it came from and where these weapons have come from.”

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 17 2022 14:50 utc | 81

..more on CIA training program in a January Yahoo News article
CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades

. . .While the covert program, run by paramilitaries working for the CIA’s Ground Branch — now officially known as Ground Department — was established by the Obama administration after Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014, and expanded under the Trump administration, the Biden administration has further augmented it, said a former senior intelligence official in touch with colleagues in government.
By 2015, as part of this expanded anti-Russia effort, CIA Ground Branch paramilitaries also started traveling to the front in eastern Ukraine to advise their counterparts there, according to a half-dozen former officials.
The multiweek, U.S.-based CIA program has included training in firearms, camouflage techniques, land navigation, tactics like “cover and move,” intelligence and other areas, according to former officials.
How to characterize the program is a matter of dispute. The U.S. over three presidents has debated whether to provide military assistance to Ukraine, and how much, with discussions often focusing on whether that help is offensive or defensive in character.
U.S. officials deny that the CIA training program is, or was ever, offensively oriented. “The purpose of the training, and the training that was delivered, was to assist in the collection of intelligence,” said a current senior intelligence official. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 17 2022 15:03 utc | 82

Italian newspaper gets caught out on trying to mislead readers on a Nazi strike using cluster bombs in Dontesk that killed civilians.


"The Italian newspaper La Stampa said on Thursday it didn’t do anything wrong when it printed a frontpage image showing the aftermath of a ballistic missile strike on Donetsk, the capital of a breakaway republic in eastern Ukraine, while promising readers coverage of Russian attacks in Kiev and Lvov.

The photo was meant to demonstrate the “clear horror of the war” and not to assign blame to any particular party, editor-in-chief Massimo Giannini said in an interview with La7 TV channel, responding to criticism of his editorial choices. He said his newspaper didn’t try to mislead readers"

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 17 2022 15:08 utc | 83

Likklemore (78).

The video isn't available at your link, but it is here.


https://www.mideastdiscourse.com/2022/03/17/resurfaced-video-shows-biden-confessing-he-proposed-bombing-of-belgrade-in-nato-op-in-yugoslavia/


Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 17 2022 15:13 utc | 84

war crimes
..from the guy who caused the war. . .in a country that has killed more civilians in war than any other. . .

President Biden on Wednesday called Russian President Vladimir Putin a war criminal for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
“I think he is a war criminal,” Biden told reporters at an event at the White House.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki, questioned about Biden's labeling of Putin, said his comment speaks for itself.
“The president’s remarks speak for themselves. He was speaking from his heart and speaking from what he’s seen on television, which is barbaric actions by a brutal dictator through an invasion of a foreign country,” she said.
She noted there is a legal process underway at the State Department about designating Putin a war criminal.
Vice President Harris, while in Romania on Friday, said intentional attacks against civilians are war crimes. In Poland on Thursday, she voiced support for a war crimes investigation into Russia over its strikes on civilian areas.
“We have been clear that any intentional attack or targeting of civilians is a war crime. Period,” she said on Friday.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in an interview aired on Wednesday that the U.S. is looking into whether Russia is intentionally targeting civilians and journalists, saying it would constitute a “war crime” if Russia was doing so. Blinken’s comments come as journalists in Ukraine have been killed and hospitalized this week while covering the Russian invasion. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 17 2022 15:18 utc | 85

The UK upping the ante, all it takes is a stray missile and boom, all hell will break loose.


"UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace has announced that London will deploy Sky Sabre air defense missile systems in Poland in response to Russia’s attack on Ukraine.

“We are going to deploy the Sky Sabre medium-range, anti-air missile system to Poland with about 100 personnel,” Wallace said on Thursday, during a news conference with his Polish counterpart, Mariusz Blaszczak, in Warsaw."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 17 2022 15:18 utc | 86

Here is a link to the actual Stanford Azov report. It was not searchable on their website...
Azov Battalion AT A GLANCE

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 17 2022 15:20 utc | 87

Canada has jumped off the deep end since the Russian intervention in Ukraine, people are going door to door collecting funds to buy "tactical supplies" for the Ukraine military and we've thrown our doors open to Ukrainian refugees. Canada has enough Ukrainian Nazis already, Nazi war monument>, do we really need more of them? I'm becoming more and more concerned that this insane logic and only lead to a war between the West and Russia, a war that the US and its vassals are completely unprepared for.

Posted by: Kadath | Mar 17 2022 15:25 utc | 88

Russia avoids public debt default
Russia
Russia made a coupon payment on Eurobonds worth $117.2 million, avoiding a default on the public debt.

Russia avoids public debt default
“The Ministry of Finance of Russia informs that the payment order for the payment of coupon income on bonds of external bonded loans of the Russian Federation maturing in 2023 (ISIN XS0971721450 / US78307ADG58) and 2043 (ISIN XS0971721963 / US78307ADH32) in the total amount of USD 117.2 million dated March 15, 2022, sent to a foreign correspondent bank on March 14, 2022, has been executed," a message posted on the website of the Finance Ministry said.

Earlier, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said that the department sent a payment order to the bank, and now the ball is on the side of the US authorities, which should allow payments from the frozen reserves of the Central Bank. In turn, the United States Department of the Treasury said that servicing the Russian government debt was subject to a license that allows operations until May 25.

The possibility of default on Russian Eurobonds was discussed against the background of the move to freeze gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Central Bank denominated in dollars, euros, pounds and yen, and the ban on Russian Central Bank operations. The Ministry of Finance approved a temporary procedure for servicing Eurobonds, which involves making payments in rubles at the market rate in case it is impossible to make foreign currency payments.

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Posted by: Virgile | Mar 17 2022 15:37 utc | 89

More on sinking of Panamanian vessels...

https://newsroompanama.com/news/panama-flagged-ship-sunk-by-russian-navy-two-more-hit

Posted by: dh | Mar 17 2022 15:40 utc | 90

@Kadath86...best to tell anyone begging for money, regardless of cause, "sorry, can't run the risk of the government freezing my bank account".

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 17 2022 15:43 utc | 91

http://johnhelmer.net/
THE ZELENSKY SUMMIT MEETING IN KIEV ON MARCH 15 WITH POLISH, CZECH AND SLOVENIAN PRIME MINISTERS WAS A FAKE DEVISED IN WARSAW – THE MEETING WAS AT PRZEMYSL, POLAND; ZELENSKY ALSO..

"The summit meeting of East European leaders, hosted in Kiev by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky on March 15 was fabricated by the Polish government, with Polish secret service agents playing the part of journalists, and fake photographs of the meeting, press briefing, and train journey prepared by Zelensky’s press office."

Posted by: bevin | Mar 17 2022 15:44 utc | 92

Latest Scott Ritter on Regis Tremblay show - Youtube

Key points:

1) [the first wave of Ukrainian refugees are taking advantage of the open border] thousands to millions of neo-Nazi sympathizers will flood into Europe if Russia wins

2) Russia is working to its own timetable. The Ukraine operation isn't just about neutralizing Ukraine but is also about neutralizing NATO

3) The US has flipped the Russian reluctance to partner with China (for fear of being overwhelmed economically) into willingness via its continuous provocations. Evidence includes Rand studies showing Ukraine as "the Best way to destabilize Russia" and constant attempts at regime change in Russia (take out Putin).

4) Nuclear war: no indication that either Biden or Putin have any interest in nuclear war. These 2 are the people who really make the decision, not the talking head politicians. But there is definitely danger because of the reduction of buffer zones/time/relationships.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 17 2022 15:46 utc | 93

Posted by: bevin | Mar 17 2022 15:44 utc | 89

Beat me;-)

Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 17 2022 15:47 utc | 95

"We don't need lectures on justice from a violator of international law. As a remnant of the Cold War and the world's largest military alliance, NATO continues to expand its geography and range of operations. What role has it played in bringing peace and stability to the world? NATO needs to think carefully."

Posted by: Kim | Mar 17 2022 8:27 utc | 6
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Thanks. A devastating riposte.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 17 2022 15:48 utc | 96

Tucker Carlson interview of Maria Salazar - youtube

This is a fine example of dinosaurian Republican party.
I am sad that this is the best Miami district 27 has to offer as its House of Representative.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 17 2022 15:50 utc | 97

Is the Empire of Lies preparing for an offensive against Russia.

"NATO has deployed 30 thousand troops, 50 vessels, and 200 aircraft from 27 member-states in Norway to conduct the long-planned military exercise "Cold Response" that started on Monday and will last till April.

“The exercise will ensure that Norwegian and allied forces are capable in carrying out complex joint operations in a demanding climate and under challenging high-intensity situations,” explains the Norwegian Armed Forces’ website."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 17 2022 15:52 utc | 98

Great analysis, and I'm sharing it to my own blog.

As an industry “expert” in the world of information warfare, I’m going to weigh in on the Mariupol theater bombing that took place in Ukraine yesterday

First off, the Russians did not do it, like the western corporate media is claiming. Whenever something happens in a war, or a conflict in any context, one of the first questions we need to ask is “who benefits?” So let’s ask that question now.

What did the Russians gain from blowing up a theater in Mariupol?

-Nothing

What did the nazis gain from blowing up a theater in Mariupol?

-Universal praise from the media

-Widespread public outcry in the West

-More money and weapons

-More American sanctions against Russia

-Exactly lined up with Zelensky’s speech to US legislators

Oh gee, I wonder who could have been behind this!
https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/17/nazi-militants-blow-up-mariupol-theater

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Mar 17 2022 15:54 utc | 99

It is war propaganda. Facts do not matter. Details and complex stories do not matter.

https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2022/03/10/npc/

For those who have not seen that one yet it is a cartoon you can click on and be done with in less time than it takes to read this sentence. And it is accurate.

Anyone I talk to in the blue vortex where I live has a nephew/grandson/cousin/coworker who has gone to fight in Ukraine. Or so they say. Every church or synagogue has sent a platoon. The nearby Quaker meetinghouse- all of them pacifists - has sent a battalion. There are literally millions of young Americans clamoring to get into Ukraine to kick some Russian butt.

Not one of the well educated prosperous adults mouthing this BS has any response to the word Yaroviv. They never heard that story. Granular detail about a theater? That is not what war propaganda is about.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 17 2022 15:56 utc | 100

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