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Gonzalo Lira – A False Flag Is Coming
Below is a video of Gonzalo Lira who is currently in Kharkov, Ukraine.
I mostly agree with what he is saying. The Ukrainian army must by now be near a complete breakdown. The Azov Nazis will probably keep fighting to the end.
Here is another one by him posted today.
@c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:19 utc | 417
I’m starting to realize why so many people here refuse to respond to you.
Ok, so you believe all this is according to plan.
Lira apparently believes (from the posted video) that there is no plan. The oligarchs are there but they’re fighting each other.
This is also what I believe.
There is literally no evidence whatsoever that the US oligarchs are in opposition regarding foreign policy. The Pentagon was arming Ukraine under both Trump and Obama. US policy there steadily increased under both presidents, and of course EuroMaidan was entirely Obama’s doing along with the help of a lot of Neocons, “Barry Goldwater” Democrats (Pelosi, Clinton, etc), and enthusiastic Pentagon, Dept of State, and CIA support.
Where the US Oligarchs disagree is entirely in terms of domestic policy, and they largely use the same astro-turfing methods to force certain issues. The issues have been chosen with the express intent at dividing any and all political opposition that might arise with respect to their domestic policies. Any and all discussions about taxation are about easing taxes on the wealthy by increasing the burden of payments upon the poor and laboring-classes. Certain topics are religious object of worship for each side: anti-racism/”white privilege” on one, anti-abortion/”pro-life” on the other.
Meanwhile, anti-crime bills receive enthusiastic support from voters within both factions. Voting-reforms are a complete non-issue among all voters in every bloc. “Hollywood” is for the Democrats (not true at all), while “Nashville” is for the Republicans (also not true). Populism is bad, party politics is good. Socialism is evil, Communism is worse, and that’s why the US can’t have Medicare for All and also why Social Security is failing–even though it isn’t, really, because the Federal Government has borrowed so much money from that publicly-administered, privately-owned pension program that the interest payments alone would carry SS well into the next century.
The topics that are emphasized are all distractions, and the topics that are neglected are the ones the Oligarchs fear. “Economic Inequality” becomes a joke, in some circles; unstated mockery of people and political blocs because of the color of their skin or the languages they speak is acceptable practice.
Your view is classic conspiracy theory – some magical secret cabal knows all, controls all; the modern equivalent of Satan.
The Oligarchs control the message, and they maintain that control through the very real, very public, very easily studied mechanisms I clearly outlined for you, above. That’s not “conspiracy theory,” that’s conspiracy FACT, and you would do well to refrain from lobbing incendiary phrases like that at fellow posters in a place like this.
Personally, the moment someone like you starts putting hyperbolic words in my mouth which I would neither ever say nor even every think, the first thing that comes to mind is “That person must be either an emotionally immature US male (typically not yet out of his 20s), or a paid troll.”
So which is it? I’m betting “paid troll,” because of your next statement:
My personal view is based on direct personal interactions with the edges of the oligarch sphere.
So you’ve just outed yourself as some immature 20- or 30-something who has a vested interest in protecting the Oligarch classes you work for–good for you.
Oligarchs are not superhuman in any way – they are people imbued with superhuman financial or political (or both) resources.
Yes: and those resources allow them to manipulate the media at will (Gates Foundation; Bezos’ Washington Post; Fox News; CNN; MSNBC; Family Research Council; Heritage Foundation; Cato Institute; RAND Corporation; etc) so they can gin up “support” for otherwise unpopular policies which have been carefully developed and propagandized by high-paid experts working on how best to present them to the public in many of the foundations and think-tanks I presented above.
Additionally, there are top-level groups which are sworn to secrecy about their inner workings and (especially) their leadership who directly intervene, influence, and most important coordinate and enforce compliance with the policies our Oligarchs develop in those secret back-room sessions, whether domestic (FBI, DHS, CIA), foreign (CFR, CIA), or internationally (Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, WEF).
So let me explain it to you again, because you don’t seem to understand very clearly:
A) Yes, there is demonstrable proof that the most politically connected and wealthiest elites from “Western” (and other) countries get together for annual (or biannual, etc) meetings where they discuss what “initiatives” and “policies” (i.e.: laws, legal enforcement, military strategies, and social movements) will be implemented and promoted (with cold, hard cash) in their respective desmesnes.
B) Yes, while we are not allowed to transparently witness how these “initiatives” and “policies” are conceived (thus calling into serious questions the underlying motives), we are (currently, at least) blessed with transparent insight into how they are disseminated amongst the media and electorate, how “support” is created that can be translated into votes into the ballot-box, and what the specific techniques and methods used by these many organizations actually are.
C) Finally, we have ample evidence of the efficacy of these efforts by the ease with which corporate-controlled media outlets can suppress views which dissent from the Oligarchs, and further silence any individual or collective voices around which might start to coalesce a true opposition to Oligarch power and their ultimate strategic motives.
These aren’t “theories”–these are facts. If you’re a tenured academic, speaking out in the wrong way about Israel can get you fired, now. Try talking about what’s actually happening in the Gaza Strip in a Silicon Valley tech corporation and see how long you’re employed–or as an alternative, you could just bring up the idea that maybe the company should be hiring based on merit and skill, rather than sex and skin-color. Posting a picture of some Ukrainian guy wearing a Nazi uniform and flying a Nazi flag will get you banned from Social Media–while challenging people on what they actually know about Ukraine, and what’s going on over there, will get one a blank stare and accusations of sedition.
They fuck up too.
Yeah: they fucked up by provoking a war in Ukraine. Except it’s still going to benefit the US Oligarchs, while the rest of the non-Oligarch US will suffer the consequences.
What you don’t seem to understand is that if it doesn’t harm them, doesn’t erode their power, and doesn’t improve ordinary people’s relative economic standing and burden, then it’s not really a “fuck-up,” is it?
They are, if anything, more jealous and emotional than regular people because they have far fewer hard limits on their actions.
Spare me the pseudo-scientific pop-psychology bullshit, please.
So it isn’t the post-modern equivalent of Satan, more like the financial/social equivalents of Godzilla and Mothra duking it out in the ruins of Tokyo.
You’re sounding more and more like a teenager with each sentence.
But anyway, I know from experience that it is impossible to convince the dedicated conspiracy theorist of what reality is really like.
Just curiously: who shot Robert Kennedy? What do you know about that? Since you seem to be a rather precocious and arrogant child of about the age of 16, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess: nothing.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Mar 16 2022 15:55 utc | 433
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I’m starting to realize why so many people here refuse to respond to you.
I could give a shit what people refuse to respond to.
There is literally no evidence whatsoever that the US oligarchs are in opposition regarding foreign policy.
You say the foreign policy is united: that is false. Brzezinski and Kissingerian factions dueled for years whether to ally with China against Russia or ally with Russia against China; the outcome was to unite Russia and China against the United States.
Is this proof of intelligent design?
What about the multi-generational squandering of the enormous US economic advantage after World War 2?
While a reduction of the US percent of the world economy was certainly inevitable – the damaging of US credibility starting with the 1971 closing of the gold window and now extending through the last gasp of US hegemony via sanctions armageddon doesn’t bespeak an intelligent response either.
On domestic policy – it is even worse. Just how united and strong are Americans today?
You have lost sight of the forest for the trees.
The Oligarchs control the message, and they maintain that control through the very real, very public, very easily studied mechanisms I clearly outlined for you, above. That’s not “conspiracy theory,” that’s conspiracy FACT, and you would do well to refrain from lobbing incendiary phrases like that at fellow posters in a place like this.
The very fact that we are discussing this on MoA – which is a visibly popular site just below the mainstream media and one of thousands – shows that the mainstream media is but one message among many.
The ratings/circulation of MSM: Fox, CNN, MSDNC, NY Times, WaPo etc today further cements the reality that “control of the message” is nowhere remotely close to what you assert.
All of the mainstream news shows, put together, don’t have the viewing ratings of the worst rated single news show in the 1980s – when the US population was about 100 million smaller.
So you’ve just outed yourself as some immature 20- or 30-something who has a vested interest in protecting the Oligarch classes you work for–good for you.
I’ve outed nothing. My views are based on actually listening, seeing and analyzing what real world oligarchs and their lieutenants do. For example, I attended a talk on CBDCs at Stanford a couple weeks ago (and I am not a student) – which was followed 2 weeks later by a Biden announcement.
Where is your information coming from? Zerohedge?
Yes: and those resources allow them to manipulate the media at will (Gates Foundation; Bezos’ Washington Post; Fox News; CNN; MSNBC; Family Research Council; Heritage Foundation; Cato Institute; RAND Corporation; etc) so they can gin up “support” for otherwise unpopular policies which have been carefully developed and propagandized by high-paid experts working on how best to present them to the public in many of the foundations and think-tanks I presented above
Here, you build upon your already flawed base by then saying that the control of MSM can then push through “otherwise unpopular” policies. Yes and no. Let’s look at health care for example.
I would argue that it isn’t the mainstream media that caused the health care reform” that ended with Obamacare.
It was public anger over health care, transmitted to politicians, who in turn are funded through donations for campaign finance, who are also supported by lobbyists and corporate representatives, to morph legitimate a public issue into the ridiculous health industry subsidy that is Obamacare.
The American public has been angry over health care for a long time – remember Hilary’s attempt in the 1990s? Obamacare was that anger laundered through “Hope and Change” and lobbyists.
Here’s what the life of actual Congress-critters looks like. They spend 20+ hours a week dialing for money. They spend another 20+ hours listening to each other bloviate in session or in a restaurant or on PR/communications. There’s no time left for anything else.
The belief that a magical conspiracy is directing things is based on a fundamental ignorance on how politicians actually function, much as your view on oligarchs is equally based on a fundamental ignorance of how these people function.
Spare me the pseudo-scientific pop-psychology bullshit, please.
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You’re sounding more and more like a teenager with each sentence.
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Just curiously: who shot Robert Kennedy? What do you know about that? Since you seem to be a rather precocious and arrogant child of about the age of 16, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess: nothing.
As I said before, and I say again: the dedicated conspiracy theorist cannot be convinced any more than I can convince the religious fundamentalist (of which I have several as friends) that their apocalyptic interpretation of the Bible into a nuking of the US next month (for the last 5 years) is erroneous. No worries on my part.
As for RFK: I could care less about Robert Kennedy. The reality is that both Kennedy brothers were the more populist Trumps of their day: they used their daddy’s and granddaddy’s money to buy into the Presidency.
What actually matters: You have shown zero evidence of any firsthand understanding of any of the people or processes you have built this theory on.
Your historical analysis is also very short term and inaccurate.
In any case, my only objective to engage was to correct your wrong understanding of what Gonzalo Lira spoke to – you have done nothing to acknowledge that error except to further spout your grand conspiracy theory.
Your views are your own, but at least acknowledge when you have clearly misheard, misread or misinterpreted someone else’s view.
Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 17:29 utc | 436
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