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March 15, 2022
Gonzalo Lira – A False Flag Is Coming

Below is a video of Gonzalo Lira who is currently in Kharkov, Ukraine.

 

I mostly agree with what he is saying. The Ukrainian army must by now be near a complete breakdown. The Azov Nazis will probably keep fighting to the end.

Here is another one by him posted today.

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A militant of the Azov Nazi regiment has just fled and defected to our side. He requested anonymity and we guaranteed it for him, as his family is in the Ukrainian-controlled territory and he fears that other Ukrainian Nazis may slice them in pieces to settle accounts with him.
He has revealed to us a whole lot of exciting information of operational importance, including details of the atrocities committed by the Ukrainian Nazis in Mariupol. But the most important benefit is the location of the Ukrainian militants’ headquarters in the basement of the Mariupol Drama Theatre, while the theatre lobby is fully packed with civilians watched over by 12 Azov fighters preventing them from escaping.

Posted by: nona | Mar 16 2022 13:19 utc | 401

@331 RSH
I agree that a lot of planning was involved, but even in choosing one strategy over several, the buck must stop with Putin. First to even conceive such a massive undertaking, then to voice it, request military strategies and finally to take that giant leap of faith. He has the ultimate authority. It’s all him and the burden is his to bear.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 16 2022 6:19 utc | 326

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is connected to China, Syria, Iran and the rest of the sane world. For you to characterize Russia or Putin’s Ukraine actions in isolation of the larger world in which it is happening speaks poorly of you and I will go back to mostly ignoring your screed.

Screed? Ouch. That’s harsh. What about the rest of my comment? You hated everything?
Just as Putin didn’t confront Israel to defend Iranian and Syrian military assets, this decision was based primarily in defense of Russia’s security interests. Although, I’m sure geopolitical considerations and consequences figured into his thinking in some form. I never denied that. Hence the mutual cooperation agreement with China just before the Olympics opposing NATO expansionism.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 16 2022 13:27 utc | 402

Posted by: Julian | Mar 16 2022 8:13 utc | 345
You bring up the interesting aspect of Germany’s for now remaining nuclear power plants. Fortunately, I think there are strictly technical obstacles (that is, beyond the political resistance from anti-nuclear groups) to extending the life of the reactors for much longer. When a definitive end of life date has been set for a nuclear reactor, this has implications for the maintenance and fuel cycle.
Basically, the operator will minimize maintenance and maximize the exploitation of (and by extension, the wear on) the reactor, so as to recoup as much as possible of the capital cost before it’s gone. It’s very likely that this will prevent Germany from reversing its nuclear phase-out, and thereby helping to reverse the terminal decline of its industry and living standards (which from now on are weaponized against Eurasia, and should therefore be reduced to zero).

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 16 2022 13:30 utc | 403

Let’s hope they do not initiate a false-flag – though nothing would surprise me.
One of the AZOV leaders has allegedly been killed. Residential areas of Donetsk and Lugansk are bombarded daily. The battle for Mariupol continues.
https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/03/16/mariupol-the-battle-goes-on/

Posted by: John Goss | Mar 16 2022 13:32 utc | 404

WJ, THE PENTAGON IS KEEPING US FROM FIGHTING, NOT BIDEN; Your rush to conclusions has you predicting nuclear war every day; STOP; you’re wrong, been wrong, always wrong. Time doesn’t stop, but in your logic world, it’s 11:59 and there’s no tomorrow.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 16 2022 13:32 utc | 405

Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 16 2022 13:30 utc | 392
Germany’s highly trained labor force is free to emigrate. Historically that is what happens when the grass is greener elsewhere.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 16 2022 13:34 utc | 406

Just watched Zelenskyy’s address to US Congress. Now I wonder who put that video together?

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Mar 16 2022 13:35 utc | 407

The Polish proposal of a peace keeping force might be a good off ramp. It’s obviously unworkable for areas already under Russian control, and that area is likely to expand quite a bit over the next few days. So consider Russian control east of the Dnieper and an international/NATO peacekeeping force west of it. It’s most likely that the Russian side is given the Yugoslavia treatment and turned into 3-4 small nations that will likely form a confederation of sorts. The problematic west and limited economic base becomes an EU/NATO. It does leave a relatively long border for NATO to try and cause trouble over, but it’s also a defensible border with a minimum of Russian forces necessary for direct border control. (Actual defense can be provided by the new republics that NATO has been helpfully arming for the last three weeks.) In the best case “Ukraine” is forced to be neutral and the peacekeeping mission is an actual peace keeping mission. Let the Europeans and Americans deal the various ethnic populations that will want out either as independent nations or reattached to Hungary, Romania, Poland, etc. Even if it isn’t neutral, it won’t do NATO much good and the ethnic divisions will be problematic. That likely leads to the neighbors taking what they claim to be historically theirs and leaves “Ukraine” as the historical Galicia, which should suit all those “real Ukrainians” just fine. They’ll come to hate the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Germans and everyone else as much as they currently hate the Russians. And if history is any guide, the rest of Europe will tire of those “real Ukrainians” pretty quickly.
There’s historical precedent. An East-West split “Ukraine” was the reality on the ground during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the varieties of Austrian / Austrian-Hapsbourg territories and even the division after the Polish-Soviet War. I don’t remember whether portions of Ukraine were included in 1939’s “partition of Poland” that mostly returned the western portion of Belarus the soviet’s lost in 1919.

Posted by: LEx | Mar 16 2022 13:39 utc | 408

Western Intelligence Reports battle for Mariupol to end in 2-3 days
From Colonel Cassad:

US intelligence warned the General Staff that Russia could transfer part of the military from Nikolaev and Kherson to the eastern front in order to speed up the encirclement of Ukrainian troops. According to Western intelligence, the battles for Mariupol will last another 2-3 days, and after that, an operation will begin to encircle the eastern front, which now has 37-45 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This supports my estimate posted upthread. If the reports are correct Mariupol will fall to RF by the weekend and the bulk of the RF forces will be reassigned to closing the kessel to the north.
RF landing craft delivered supplies in the port of Berdyans’k. I expect this included military forces now moving north to reinforce the kessel.
If the above is correct, then NATO will face a RF “mission accomplished” on the date of the March 24th Brussels meeting. NATO may undertake an increased deployment of force on the borders of Ukraine but I doubt they will entertain crossing the border into Ukraine as that would expose them to attack. An article in the NATO agreement refuses membership to states engaged in a border dispute. The US may seek to bend the NATO rules but I cannot see the EU NATO members being so disengaged from reality that they agree with NATO entry into the conflict.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 16 2022 13:40 utc | 409

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 16 2022 13:32 utc | 394
I hope you’re right, ScottinDallas. My own view is that there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that the path of deescalation has not yet been chosen by the US. And so long as the US remains on the path of escalation–even if *intended* to remain purely rhetorical–the threat of WWIII and what that means remains very much a possibility.
I do not share the sanguine belief that, because it would be irrational for the US to engage directly with Russia, if follows that we would never do so. One of the great dangers of the reality-denying hysteria-inducing narrative that pervades all Western media at present is that it creates a condition in which people no longer are acting on the basis of reason at all, but out of sheer emotional lashing out. There is no guarantee that those who propound this narrative intentionally will remain immune to its effects–indeed, if what we read about the science of propaganda is correct, there is good reason to believe they, too, will eventually come to believe the narrative they are spinning for the masses, and what then?
We very much remain at 11:59pm on the nuclear clock; time will only reverse for us on this clock when the process of deescalation is well under way. As long as escalation continues, we really do advance toward 12:00am.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 16 2022 13:46 utc | 410

Posted by: LEx | Mar 16 2022 13:39 utc | 397
https://t.me/intelslava/22508
Germany reacted sharply to the idea of Polish Deputy Prime Minister Kaczynski to send an armed NATO peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.
The German government is against sending any NATO military to Ukraine. For Berlin, this is a “red line”.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 16 2022 13:48 utc | 411

@Sushi #253
Agreed – there is zero possibility of the US replacing 7M barrels/day of Russian oil+petroleum product exports.
But that wasn’t the Mercouris comment. Mercouris stated that there is no evidence of the UAE or Saudis actually pumping more oil so far.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:07 utc | 412

@oldhippie
You have now stated, twice, very specific comments on geneology – of AOC and of Gonzalo Lira.
I am curious where you are getting this information from.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:09 utc | 413

@397 Lex
That is an interesting theory. It would make for a stable end-state, but a difficult “road from here to there”. Any NATO forces, even if truly and genuinely in the role of peacekeepers, would also instantly become human shields for UA ultra-nationalist operations. Only without the benefit of being civilian.
@400 Boo
Good sense on the part of Germany. Hope it holds up. There’s now a risk that some of the extremists to whom NATO has been handing out anti-aircraft missiles, decides to make a field trip to the west to provoke further reactions.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 16 2022 14:09 utc | 414

@psychohistorian #256
To be clear, the term “Doom Loop” is typical ZH nonsense.
Poszar made no such reference – in fact, described 2 plausible (to him) scenarios by which the situation is resolved.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:12 utc | 415

@Pacifica Advocate #315
Ok, so you believe all this is according to plan.
Lira apparently believes (from the posted video) that there is no plan. The oligarchs are there but they’re fighting each other.
This is also what I believe.
Your view is classic conspiracy theory – some magical secret cabal knows all, controls all; the modern equivalent of Satan.
My personal view is based on direct personal interactions with the edges of the oligarch sphere.
Oligarchs are not superhuman in any way – they are people imbued with superhuman financial or political (or both) resources.
They fuck up too.
They are, if anything, more jealous and emotional than regular people because they have far fewer hard limits on their actions.
So it isn’t the post-modern equivalent of Satan, more like the financial/social equivalents of Godzilla and Mothra duking it out in the ruins of Tokyo.
But anyway, I know from experience that it is impossible to convince the dedicated conspiracy theorist of what reality is really like.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:19 utc | 416

@Circe #321
Cheers for the first coherent, consistent and intelligent comment I have ever read from you.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:21 utc | 417

@Julian #259
I have very low belief that the Ukraine Armed Forces will be permitted to acknowledge military reality by either Zelensky (because of this Western golden parachute) or by the Azov political officer types amongst them.
But I do see the brigades caught in Donetsk start to surrender in under a week. Modern warfare is so heavily materials dependent that it is impossible to survive, much less fight, if supply is cut off for any significant duration.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:25 utc | 418

Arioch, it’s chemical castration, puberty disruptors.
Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 16 2022 12:12 utc | 381
…and it is a first step towards surgery.
And this surgery is to be done on mentally unstable kids, or on kids given to mentally unstable parent after divorce.
I was trackign, by e-mails from a mate, a story of one unstable girl about 13yo. She threatened suicide if she was allowed to convert to boy. At the very same time she planned to elope to runaway with an abusive boy she was in love with and who only valued her when being obedient whore.
Reportedly, some years before that she was raped by a family friend. Reportedly it was medically confirmed by body review (she was allegedly started seing things at time, or she told so. Allegedly that event triggered it and it was not so before, abut that can not be ensured).
So, she found guardians who sued her family, extracted her, and were preparing the transition.
It almost happenned, papers done, her on meds, those puberty delayers reportedly, like half a year of therapy and heppy date with knife.
Then she pulled something, i don’t remember what, but steady preparing for transition was interrupted, and she started fleeing to her family now complaining them about her guards being strict and abusive, like reversing what was two years before.
Two years later – she is screwing all boys in the hood and f..s like pig whenever guards looked away.
Then she fled back to parents. Few months before her 16yo. Guardians just sighed with relief and counted days until their guardianship would legally expire.
So, basically i don’t know what is going on with her now, heard after emancipation she found some job (at least some good development), probably touring around new hood and enjoying all the aspects of life without all those annoying “you should not”… from some other legally adult person.
However, what would had happen would he not suddenly do that twist? Again, it was like half year more that she would undergo that fashionable surgery and be very advanced modern trendy dick-girl. And then another half-year later she discovers in her an equally pationate urge to f-k all the boys in the hood… but now she lacks vagina to do it.
Okay, you might argue that SO unstable persons better not have kids anyway, and castration by transition is perfect tool to manage their count.
But i think it would still be better to wait for them to at least emancipate and be out of puberty and hormones storms. And if after all that they still sure to switch, then there perhaps would be some more chances the irreversible change it makes would not be regretted in few years and now forever.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 16 2022 14:25 utc | 419

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 16 2022 14:25 utc | 408
…like half a year of therapy LEFT BEFORE HER happy date with knife.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 16 2022 14:27 utc | 420

@imo #332
Sorry but that’s idiotic.
Among other things, McConnell detests Trump – the line of succession goes through the Senate first.
Secondly, not all of the Republicans in the House now, nor going to be in the House post November, are pro-Trump. If anything, the scale of the Red Wave is such that the most lame, dinosaurian Republican candidates have a real chance to win. They don’t absolutely need to tap into Trump’s base.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:28 utc | 421

The oligarchs are there but they’re fighting each other.
Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:19 utc | 405
Who do the owners of Mariupol’s steel mills have on speed dial?

Posted by: too scents | Mar 16 2022 14:31 utc | 422

@too scents #411
It doesn’t matter.
Have you noticed that China has its hooks into the Biden family too?
Israel created the game, Ukraine is following it but China has perfected the practice of deploying money to direct/distract/neutralize US politics.
The same can be said for Hollywood blockbuster movies: there is always at least 1 Chinese company that is a listed funder (starting credit list) – this presence is why you almost never see Chinese “bad guys”, only the occasional Triad mobster whereas Russian spies/gangsters/whatever are ubiquitous.
And yet again – this illustrates the chaotic nature of influence…

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:39 utc | 423

Paco, I don’t think so, my local Fox affiliate bailed pretty quickly, Zelensky is just an actor, not a speech writer; his writer here wasn’t good enough to compel coverage locally. We’re hearing the replay about the Texas Baptist Men running off to Poland to help refugees and a couple of Police stories, one white dude emptied his revolver at cops from his car, ran was tased and arrested; another cops came with an APC and deployed tear gas, destroying the home, and shot the dude when he came out firing. He had a come and take it flag; fucking moron 2nd Amendment clown thought his AZ would fight the power; lol.
Is there any info on these killed/injured journalists, I saw the bit about the guy near the checkpoint 2km from the front; but what about the Kiev incident, was that Russian shelling, or what, I haven’t even heard what hit him, shrapnel or a bullet, or whatever?

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 16 2022 14:45 utc | 424

Julian | Mar 16 2022 8:13 utc | 345
NS2 was the proximate cause; Keeping that in mind resolves the question of why now?
Of course the wider objective of the US can be generalized as “The Wolfowitz Doctrine” but the importance of killing NS2 and promoting US LNG to Europe should not be minimized nor forgotten. At the risk of sounding apocalyptic, it is obvious that the US has its busy fingers involved all over the globe and plenty enough sycophants and true believers to keep that up for some time. The outcome – what the near future will look like or be – will be as much a product of how the rest of the world responds to the “battle lines being drawn” as to those busy meddlesome fingers.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Mar 16 2022 14:47 utc | 425

EU Natural gas futures.
Looking for some positive news, though pretty minimal.
TTF Dec2022 (ICE data), which I take as easily accessible representation of marginal prices for supply to be delivered prior to winter 2022-2023, fell below 100 Euros/MW for the first time in recent weeks. There is a weather component to this also, to be fair.
Same source but looking at the following winter (’23-’24) shows marginal decrease to 50-55 EU/MW. Reminder that people far better informed than me have said that 2-years-out price might be more meaningful indicator of what is paid by buyers not in long term contracts. It is still at an unsustainable level for global buyers in industry/agriculture/etc, but very very slowly easing.
Years beyond that (ie ’24-’25) will likely see relief for energy prices as the industry overcorrects and capacity development in places like Qatar and others, which was planned long before the current crisis, comes online. That would in theory be the time when US will find it easy to convince EU based multinationals to cut off tech support for Russian oil/gas industry, although this will no doubt be attempted sooner. Even further ahead into the late 2020’s we will see lots of Eurasian pipeline integration, but whether or not those projects are rushed (ie mid-2020s vs late-2020s) probably depends on how hard US pushes against China.

Posted by: ptb | Mar 16 2022 14:48 utc | 426

Lira is a weirdo libertarian creepoid incel who’s in Ukraine to get poverty puss.

Posted by: HawHaw | Mar 16 2022 14:56 utc | 427

c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:28 utc | 422
Probably depends on the locale/region. Right across the river in the WVa northern panhandle there is a primary battle going on between one of those “lame, dinosaurian Republican” candidates (the incumbent – William McKinley – first elected in the astroturf “tea party” wave) and a supposedly ultra-loyalist Trump supporter (who apparently lost his US Rep seat in Maryland) and is trying to replace McKinley. Both of these jerks must be funded by very deep pockets because the TV advertising war has been going on for several months now, and EVERY commercial break ads for both run. Both men claim to be the more pure of the Trump loyalist supporter. The very sad part is, the one that is perceived to be the truer Trump loyalist will win. You’d have to live here to really “appreciate” it. After a year, the neighbor across the street finally took down his Trump flag and quit flying the stars and stripes upside down.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Mar 16 2022 15:06 utc | 428

WJ, it wouldn’t be brinksmanship if they were taking off-ramps; but it’s clear the Pentagon ain’t playing, the Germans appropriately killed the Polish notion of a peacekeeping force. You confuse the sales pitch with the product; the threats of the clown who’s friends are the only think keeping him from kicking your ass. And again, there’s a tomorrow; until you realize that, all your musings will be crippled by your insistence on pathetic and teleological fallacies.
C1ue, no, it’s VP (Presides over Senate, but not a Senator), Speaker of HOUSE, then through the cabinet. Also, though it’s not possible to simply pump more without significant limits and caveats; it IS possible to sell off stored reserves. OPEC has always had issues ons with absolute compliance, particularly in times of high prices. I’m not saying this will fully off-set “lost” Russian petrol, but again, we should see slackened demand from China. We’re not that far removed from full tankers drifting at sea looking for a port; and we’ve seen (to my surprise) commodities prices moderate. We haven’t seen EU cut off all these trades with Russia, yet; as predicted the sanctions would be riddled with exceptions and loopholes. More lip service and posturing than real action.
Arioch, dude, if you’re under 18 you can’t get a tattoo; they’re not lopping off tallywackers of high school kids; so you’re fighting a strawman, like one, it’s not a trend, it’s not a problem, it’s not widespread, it’s not really the gov’ts business.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 16 2022 15:11 utc | 429

Plan A: Fund bio-research in Wuhan and blame the Chinese for the leak.
Plan B: Fund bio-research in Ukraine and blame the Russians for the leak.

Posted by: Matteo | Mar 16 2022 15:12 utc | 430

Someone mentioned the Second World War DDay related battle in the Normandy countryside of the FALAISE GAP CLOSING which saw the annihilation of the German forces there. Sorry there are many comments and I can’t track who made it.
I’ve been to Mont Ormel many times. The monument to these who ‘closed the gap’ was not celebrated till long after and is now a fine little attraction along the ‘Denoument’ trail that some retards dress up as soldiers and drive around in jeeps during June who should be best avoided otherwise you may end up making them cry by point g and laughing at them.
ANYWAY – the truth of that battle is not fully acknowledged.
It was a random company of Poles numbered in just hundreds who held the little hill that the only road that could carry tanks and weapons back towards Paris or infact to Berlin to perhaps hold the Red Army back that might have allowed the Allies to not stick with the Yalta agreement with Stalin.
The allies could have obliterated the retreating Germans at many points and over these summer weeks. But they didn’t. They wanted them to go to the Eastern front.
It seems the Polish brigade hadn’t been told of this. But fearlessly they proceeded to plug the gap. The were NOT reinforced or given artillery or plane cover but the Germans could not get control of the hillock and pass they occupied. Being narrow meant the greater numbers couldn’t make a difference. A bottle neck.
Most German units were still using horses. The panzers had no chance to get to the hill and thus the pocket formed – eventually given the rate of progress of the Red Army it became too late for the Germans. The ‘allies’ overlooking the plain with canons finally had no choice but to go to the ‘rescue’ of the Poles, let rip and left a cloud of flies over the few square miles for the next few years with the awful stench of death – many horses and men – the vast orchards destroyed.
The area has returned to its bucolic charm , cider and calvados made and the little village of Camembert not far away giving its name to the fine cheeses of the dairy industry there.
The Poles? Ha, they didn’t get Poland returned to them. They were fooled then and they are fools now.
They still expect the black soil of Ukraine as promised by the western masters when they decided that state would be parcelled out. They expected Russian Ukrainian eastern peoples would have returned to Russia and the peace would leav them with vast swathes of land with a rump Ukraine cleared of the peasants who OWN the land cleared out and their legally being able to own it. Currently foreigners can’t.
The Russians advance has made them realise that these plans are in doubt and the only way they will get their hands on the lands and resources now is if they make an official agreement before Zalensky has no government or country left to grant it to them!
3 Wise Men? 3 Blind Mice. And one of them is the dumb Pole who still doesn’t understand that their Empire is one of many European nations new that are never going to rise French m the ashes again to covet these further Easter lands – Russia.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 16 2022 15:21 utc | 431

Posted by: LEx | Mar 16 2022 13:39 utc | 409
This is actual NATO wishful thinking (or wet dream).
“Too little too late” is a moderate way to dismiss it.
Any NATO aircraft trying to implement NFZ over western Ukraine will bite the dust as soon as it crosses the border – which it won’t do because it will be illuminated by Russian air defense still while over NATO countries.
NATO wont dare fire at Russian Air defense in Russia or Belarus because it would trigger full Russia retaliation including strikes to NATO assets over the whole of Europe and North America (+ sinking of all NATO fleets and Nuclear submarines in the Baltic and Mediterranean seas and then some more in the Atlantic). None of this will then happen as long as there is a living US admiral or general in the Pentagon, no matter what could seek the (((Band Of Clowns))) in the State Department in DC.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 16 2022 15:31 utc | 432

@c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:19 utc | 417
I’m starting to realize why so many people here refuse to respond to you.

Ok, so you believe all this is according to plan.
Lira apparently believes (from the posted video) that there is no plan. The oligarchs are there but they’re fighting each other.
This is also what I believe.

There is literally no evidence whatsoever that the US oligarchs are in opposition regarding foreign policy. The Pentagon was arming Ukraine under both Trump and Obama. US policy there steadily increased under both presidents, and of course EuroMaidan was entirely Obama’s doing along with the help of a lot of Neocons, “Barry Goldwater” Democrats (Pelosi, Clinton, etc), and enthusiastic Pentagon, Dept of State, and CIA support.
Where the US Oligarchs disagree is entirely in terms of domestic policy, and they largely use the same astro-turfing methods to force certain issues. The issues have been chosen with the express intent at dividing any and all political opposition that might arise with respect to their domestic policies. Any and all discussions about taxation are about easing taxes on the wealthy by increasing the burden of payments upon the poor and laboring-classes. Certain topics are religious object of worship for each side: anti-racism/”white privilege” on one, anti-abortion/”pro-life” on the other.
Meanwhile, anti-crime bills receive enthusiastic support from voters within both factions. Voting-reforms are a complete non-issue among all voters in every bloc. “Hollywood” is for the Democrats (not true at all), while “Nashville” is for the Republicans (also not true). Populism is bad, party politics is good. Socialism is evil, Communism is worse, and that’s why the US can’t have Medicare for All and also why Social Security is failing–even though it isn’t, really, because the Federal Government has borrowed so much money from that publicly-administered, privately-owned pension program that the interest payments alone would carry SS well into the next century.
The topics that are emphasized are all distractions, and the topics that are neglected are the ones the Oligarchs fear. “Economic Inequality” becomes a joke, in some circles; unstated mockery of people and political blocs because of the color of their skin or the languages they speak is acceptable practice.

Your view is classic conspiracy theory – some magical secret cabal knows all, controls all; the modern equivalent of Satan.

The Oligarchs control the message, and they maintain that control through the very real, very public, very easily studied mechanisms I clearly outlined for you, above. That’s not “conspiracy theory,” that’s conspiracy FACT, and you would do well to refrain from lobbing incendiary phrases like that at fellow posters in a place like this.
Personally, the moment someone like you starts putting hyperbolic words in my mouth which I would neither ever say nor even every think, the first thing that comes to mind is “That person must be either an emotionally immature US male (typically not yet out of his 20s), or a paid troll.”
So which is it? I’m betting “paid troll,” because of your next statement:

My personal view is based on direct personal interactions with the edges of the oligarch sphere.

So you’ve just outed yourself as some immature 20- or 30-something who has a vested interest in protecting the Oligarch classes you work for–good for you.

Oligarchs are not superhuman in any way – they are people imbued with superhuman financial or political (or both) resources.

Yes: and those resources allow them to manipulate the media at will (Gates Foundation; Bezos’ Washington Post; Fox News; CNN; MSNBC; Family Research Council; Heritage Foundation; Cato Institute; RAND Corporation; etc) so they can gin up “support” for otherwise unpopular policies which have been carefully developed and propagandized by high-paid experts working on how best to present them to the public in many of the foundations and think-tanks I presented above.
Additionally, there are top-level groups which are sworn to secrecy about their inner workings and (especially) their leadership who directly intervene, influence, and most important coordinate and enforce compliance with the policies our Oligarchs develop in those secret back-room sessions, whether domestic (FBI, DHS, CIA), foreign (CFR, CIA), or internationally (Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, WEF).
So let me explain it to you again, because you don’t seem to understand very clearly:
A) Yes, there is demonstrable proof that the most politically connected and wealthiest elites from “Western” (and other) countries get together for annual (or biannual, etc) meetings where they discuss what “initiatives” and “policies” (i.e.: laws, legal enforcement, military strategies, and social movements) will be implemented and promoted (with cold, hard cash) in their respective desmesnes.
B) Yes, while we are not allowed to transparently witness how these “initiatives” and “policies” are conceived (thus calling into serious questions the underlying motives), we are (currently, at least) blessed with transparent insight into how they are disseminated amongst the media and electorate, how “support” is created that can be translated into votes into the ballot-box, and what the specific techniques and methods used by these many organizations actually are.
C) Finally, we have ample evidence of the efficacy of these efforts by the ease with which corporate-controlled media outlets can suppress views which dissent from the Oligarchs, and further silence any individual or collective voices around which might start to coalesce a true opposition to Oligarch power and their ultimate strategic motives.
These aren’t “theories”–these are facts. If you’re a tenured academic, speaking out in the wrong way about Israel can get you fired, now. Try talking about what’s actually happening in the Gaza Strip in a Silicon Valley tech corporation and see how long you’re employed–or as an alternative, you could just bring up the idea that maybe the company should be hiring based on merit and skill, rather than sex and skin-color. Posting a picture of some Ukrainian guy wearing a Nazi uniform and flying a Nazi flag will get you banned from Social Media–while challenging people on what they actually know about Ukraine, and what’s going on over there, will get one a blank stare and accusations of sedition.

They fuck up too.

Yeah: they fucked up by provoking a war in Ukraine. Except it’s still going to benefit the US Oligarchs, while the rest of the non-Oligarch US will suffer the consequences.
What you don’t seem to understand is that if it doesn’t harm them, doesn’t erode their power, and doesn’t improve ordinary people’s relative economic standing and burden, then it’s not really a “fuck-up,” is it?

They are, if anything, more jealous and emotional than regular people because they have far fewer hard limits on their actions.

Spare me the pseudo-scientific pop-psychology bullshit, please.

So it isn’t the post-modern equivalent of Satan, more like the financial/social equivalents of Godzilla and Mothra duking it out in the ruins of Tokyo.

You’re sounding more and more like a teenager with each sentence.

But anyway, I know from experience that it is impossible to convince the dedicated conspiracy theorist of what reality is really like.

Just curiously: who shot Robert Kennedy? What do you know about that? Since you seem to be a rather precocious and arrogant child of about the age of 16, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess: nothing.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Mar 16 2022 15:55 utc | 433

@c1ue | Mar 16 2022 14:09 utc | 414

@oldhippie
You have now stated, twice, very specific comments on geneology – of AOC and of Gonzalo Lira.
I am curious where you are getting this information from.

Try doing a websearch, child.
Took me all of three minutes–and no, I’m not going to do you the favor of posting the link.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Mar 16 2022 16:03 utc | 434

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 16 2022 15:21 utc | 432
I tend to agree with your interesting insight about Mont-Ormel battle and the lonely unaware Poles … The fight took place on august 20 and 21st 1944 proved to be decisive in closing the Falaise pocket and trapping German troops in it.
The interesting facts leading to its importance are several:
1/ Success of the Soviet Belarus offensive from June 22nd to July 1944, which brought about the destruction of the German Center Army group – a loss of 600,000 men. Collapse of Ost Front and Stalin quick victory became then a given to every observer.
2/ Unsuccessful July 20th, 1944, attempt against Hitler’s life in Rastenburg by Colonel Von Stauffenberg and subsequent failed coup d’état in Berlin by his conjurates.
3/ Success of the US Army breakthrough in “Operation Cobra”, on Tuesday, July 25, 1944 which allowed Patton to put an end to the seven week long stalemate in Normandy bocage. In my personal view only made possible by mismanagement of German resistance by Count Von Choltitz (many attested unsound and contradictories orders given from his HQ to his embattled German paratroopers) opposing US General Collins 7th Corps and then more importantly the sabotage of the German counter-offensive in Mortain (Unternehmen Lüttich – august 7th, 1944) by General Feld Marschall Von Klüge. Disobeying direct Hitler’s orders, Von Klüge launched the attack without waiting for Luftwaffe support, however specially gathered for the occasion, so forfeiting every chance of success for Operation Lüttich. This happened after his one day disappearance (August 14th, 1944), widely rumored arranged to allow for some clandestine meeting with US General Dwight Eisenhower… The whole thing being followed by Von Kluge suicide on August 19th, 1944. Hitler’s always believed in his treasonous behavior after that.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=-EpVEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT75&lpg=PT75&dq=von+kluge+one+day+disappearance&source=bl&ots=bwQVDaBg8B&sig=ACfU3U23ew6eI61nbg1HpglsylhchGNOwg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir2dzOjMv2AhWVHTQIHcx0Cz0Q6AF6BAg0EAM#v=onepage&q=von%20kluge%20one%20day%20disappearance&f=false

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 16 2022 17:03 utc | 435

@Pacifica Advocate #434
You said

I’m starting to realize why so many people here refuse to respond to you.

I could give a shit what people refuse to respond to.

There is literally no evidence whatsoever that the US oligarchs are in opposition regarding foreign policy.

You say the foreign policy is united: that is false. Brzezinski and Kissingerian factions dueled for years whether to ally with China against Russia or ally with Russia against China; the outcome was to unite Russia and China against the United States.
Is this proof of intelligent design?
What about the multi-generational squandering of the enormous US economic advantage after World War 2?
While a reduction of the US percent of the world economy was certainly inevitable – the damaging of US credibility starting with the 1971 closing of the gold window and now extending through the last gasp of US hegemony via sanctions armageddon doesn’t bespeak an intelligent response either.
On domestic policy – it is even worse. Just how united and strong are Americans today?
You have lost sight of the forest for the trees.

The Oligarchs control the message, and they maintain that control through the very real, very public, very easily studied mechanisms I clearly outlined for you, above. That’s not “conspiracy theory,” that’s conspiracy FACT, and you would do well to refrain from lobbing incendiary phrases like that at fellow posters in a place like this.

The very fact that we are discussing this on MoA – which is a visibly popular site just below the mainstream media and one of thousands – shows that the mainstream media is but one message among many.
The ratings/circulation of MSM: Fox, CNN, MSDNC, NY Times, WaPo etc today further cements the reality that “control of the message” is nowhere remotely close to what you assert.
All of the mainstream news shows, put together, don’t have the viewing ratings of the worst rated single news show in the 1980s – when the US population was about 100 million smaller.

So you’ve just outed yourself as some immature 20- or 30-something who has a vested interest in protecting the Oligarch classes you work for–good for you.

I’ve outed nothing. My views are based on actually listening, seeing and analyzing what real world oligarchs and their lieutenants do. For example, I attended a talk on CBDCs at Stanford a couple weeks ago (and I am not a student) – which was followed 2 weeks later by a Biden announcement.
Where is your information coming from? Zerohedge?

Yes: and those resources allow them to manipulate the media at will (Gates Foundation; Bezos’ Washington Post; Fox News; CNN; MSNBC; Family Research Council; Heritage Foundation; Cato Institute; RAND Corporation; etc) so they can gin up “support” for otherwise unpopular policies which have been carefully developed and propagandized by high-paid experts working on how best to present them to the public in many of the foundations and think-tanks I presented above

Here, you build upon your already flawed base by then saying that the control of MSM can then push through “otherwise unpopular” policies. Yes and no. Let’s look at health care for example.
I would argue that it isn’t the mainstream media that caused the health care reform” that ended with Obamacare.
It was public anger over health care, transmitted to politicians, who in turn are funded through donations for campaign finance, who are also supported by lobbyists and corporate representatives, to morph legitimate a public issue into the ridiculous health industry subsidy that is Obamacare.
The American public has been angry over health care for a long time – remember Hilary’s attempt in the 1990s? Obamacare was that anger laundered through “Hope and Change” and lobbyists.
Here’s what the life of actual Congress-critters looks like. They spend 20+ hours a week dialing for money. They spend another 20+ hours listening to each other bloviate in session or in a restaurant or on PR/communications. There’s no time left for anything else.
The belief that a magical conspiracy is directing things is based on a fundamental ignorance on how politicians actually function, much as your view on oligarchs is equally based on a fundamental ignorance of how these people function.

Spare me the pseudo-scientific pop-psychology bullshit, please.

You’re sounding more and more like a teenager with each sentence.

Just curiously: who shot Robert Kennedy? What do you know about that? Since you seem to be a rather precocious and arrogant child of about the age of 16, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess: nothing.

As I said before, and I say again: the dedicated conspiracy theorist cannot be convinced any more than I can convince the religious fundamentalist (of which I have several as friends) that their apocalyptic interpretation of the Bible into a nuking of the US next month (for the last 5 years) is erroneous. No worries on my part.
As for RFK: I could care less about Robert Kennedy. The reality is that both Kennedy brothers were the more populist Trumps of their day: they used their daddy’s and granddaddy’s money to buy into the Presidency.
What actually matters: You have shown zero evidence of any firsthand understanding of any of the people or processes you have built this theory on.
Your historical analysis is also very short term and inaccurate.
In any case, my only objective to engage was to correct your wrong understanding of what Gonzalo Lira spoke to – you have done nothing to acknowledge that error except to further spout your grand conspiracy theory.
Your views are your own, but at least acknowledge when you have clearly misheard, misread or misinterpreted someone else’s view.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 17:29 utc | 436

@Pacifica Advocate #435
I could be insulted if you weren’t so very, very stupid.
I don’t get insulted by conspiracy theorist wackos.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 16 2022 17:31 utc | 437

@418 c1ue
LOL!…you could have knocked me over with a feather! Ha-ha-ha! Bet you had to use one hand to force the other to write that.
I’ll wear it like a badge of honor; even though you missed a few, ’cause lately I’ve been working really hard to get on your good side. Just don’t let it go to your head too much.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 16 2022 20:33 utc | 438

So, if the US is planning a false flag to justify entry into the war, what is the endgame? Global thermonuclear war?

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas | Mar 16 2022 22:37 utc | 439

@c1ue | Mar 16 2022 17:31 utc | 437

I could be insulted if I weren’t so very, very stupid.

Fixed that for ya.

I don’t get insulted by conspiracy theorist wackos.

Answer my question about Robert Kennedy, coward.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Mar 17 2022 1:07 utc | 440

I believe it was Freud who said that: “America is a mistake, a gigantic mistake it is true, but none the less a mistake.”
The question is: How should this monstrous mistake of America be dealt with in a way that does not literally blow up the entire planet?
This is the fundamental question of the era.
Reason, argument, logic, truth, and certainly diplomacy do not work. And most importantly, appeasing America sure as hell don’t work.
Turning up the pain dial on America is likely the only language the Americans will understand.

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 17 2022 5:16 utc | 441

Most ppl don’t realise that there’s a LOT of Ashkenazi Jews in western Ukraine. They are the same ppl as the Rothschilds & most of the other so-called elites. These ppl control mainstream media, the banks, Hollywood, most politicians & professors at universities worldwide. That’s why they’re going all out to distort the truth & get everyone to sympathise with Ukraine.

Posted by: Saleem | Mar 17 2022 7:19 utc | 442

@Circe #439
I am always happy to give credit, where credit is due.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 17 2022 14:36 utc | 443

@Pacifica Advocate #441
Will you start crying “neener, neener” now?
Because you are too stupid to actually put forth anything of substance, even as an insult?
Conspiracy whacko who can’t even put together a decent retort.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 17 2022 14:38 utc | 444

Gonzalo is a creepoid right wing libertarian lunatic. He may be right about Ukraine/Russia, but he’s such a loon on every other topic.

Posted by: HawHaw | Mar 18 2022 4:03 utc | 445

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2022 20:48 utc | 173
Hi Peter.
I’m not sure of the structure of those three nations political system, or landscape, but it did occur to me that if they are anything like the system we have here in Oz, then there may likely be political-factional infighting within ruling parties.
I wondered if there were conniving ass-hats trying to go with the internal party coup, as happens with alarming regularity here in Australia.
I hope for their sakes they don’t have a bunch of Peter Duttons jockeying for the position of chief fluffer to the oligarchy, or these three are as good as dead.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Mar 18 2022 5:05 utc | 446