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March 01, 2022

Disarming Ukraine - Day 6

Just a few points (which I may add to later on):

  • Russia's military operational security seems to work well as little is leaking out about the positions of its forces.
  • Mariupol in the south is now encircled. The Ukraine has lost all access to the sea of Azov.
  • After a warning that it would attack 'psychological operation' infrastructure in Kiev a Russian plane bombed the electricity substation that feeds the studios and media centers around the TV-tower of Kiev.
Denis Kazakiewicz @Den_2042 - 4:01 PM · Mar 1, 2022
You cannot make this stuff up.
At today's security council meeting, Lukashenka - while lying about “surgical operation” - showed what looks like an actual invasion map.

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Lukashenko has not been a quite successful president of Belarus for 26 years because he is dumb. If you believe that the picture shows the  actual plan you probably should go back to school.

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the predominant vibe here is "Realist" I'd say, too foreign policy specific to be put into the US political spectrum, though far too much foreign policy commentary is secondary to partisan opportunism. Those bought into that divide have a hard time seeing what's legitimate and what's simply hypocritical opportunism. As Michael Hudson's latest points out the 3 legs of influence in the US are finance, mining and the military industrial complex; those are generally favored by both parties, certainly the DNC and RNC; and any talk of "socialist" or "capitalist" are hopelessly lost debating a false dichotomy over pejoratives.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 19:33 utc | 101

Ides of March...

Watch out for these important dates (whether the clues will be given on the 2nd and 3rd we'll soon enough know, but for sure on the 16th):

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/2022-march.htm

Hardship ahead for the US and Western peoples: not the SOBs that helped create the mess (hopefully other countries will keep out such vermin, force them to face the music in their own countries).

Posted by: Seer | Mar 1 2022 19:34 utc | 102

war is war. I'm talking real war. crime has no place in the discussion.

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 19:34 utc | 103

re: Articles 5 & 42
Countries might offer "ironclad" and "unwavering" support . . .as the US is doing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 1 2022 19:34 utc | 104

Posted by: Circe | Mar 1 2022 18:23 utc | 35

I think the convoy indicates that the UA no longer poses any threat. I'm guessing most or all fighters left are in the city centres. But I'm certainly not an expert.

Posted by: macmuir | Mar 1 2022 19:35 utc | 105

Sushi @59--

What this really speaks to is the extremely tight interdependence of all production processes worldwide. In a response to another poster I remarked that the present circumstance represents the failure testing of a non-engineered complex system. It is not until you test this system, and watch as it breakdown, that you become aware of all of the intricate dependencies.

When the breakdown commences there exists no degree of resilience. This is a characteristic of human engineered complex systems. They break, fail to recover, and keep on breaking.

Roughly every year for as long as I've been commenting at MoA I've tried to get barflies to understand the way complex systems break down and are attempted to be repaired by even more complex systems that eventually become incapable of solving the problem, which is Jospeh Tainter's well proven thesis. Yet people persist.

William Gruff @51 provides an excellent example how a seemingly complex system can be easily disarmed by one that's simpler given the motivation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 1 2022 19:36 utc | 106

Circe @35
However, today, I was reminded of it, when a US general talking head pointed on the map of Ukraine to the kilometres-long Russian Convoy headed to Kiev. The general stated that if the US were involved militarily, that Convoy would already have been obliterated. He added that the Convoy is a Sitting Duck and should the Ukrainians still possess the drones Turkey supplied they can use them to take out strategic parts of the Convoy.

The US would rather take out the airpower and radar of the agressor nation first before attempting to destroy a convoy that size. If the US were involved militarity they would take far more losses that beating up on some third class military power.

It may still come to that; this whole episode may spiral out of control in the coming months and years. There are enough rabid faction in the US to make it happen

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 1 2022 19:37 utc | 107

malenkov 86,

nice comment.

if you're not self-taught or shepherded by someone who is, then it ain't happening at all.

that's the reality.

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 19:38 utc | 108

no, oil is too short, it'll get out; currency will convert, whatever it takes. Do you believe in the war on drugs too?

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 19:38 utc | 109

2 interesting developments. 1. Looks like EU will welcome Ukraine in their membership. 2. RT says Kyiv is considering a pre-emptive strike in Belarus. That would mean Belarus would enter the war. Ukraine, being a EU member and attacked by 2 countries. Would give lots of reason for EU to ask NATO to enter the theatre.

Posted by: comandante | Mar 1 2022 19:22 utc | 87

This case happening, I would bet that:

1 - EU would gleefully declare war on Russia,
2 - USA would decline the honor of leading the charge and let the German, French and other Poles do the fighting while remaining neutral - as well as the state of Israel btw!
3 - The Anglo Saxons would then send best wishes watch the show while crunching popcorn...

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 1 2022 19:40 utc | 110

malenkov @86--

Yes, I actually do agree with Martyanov; it's the tarring with the broad brush that turns me off as it attacks my credibility.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 1 2022 19:42 utc | 111

Sushi | 59

What this really speaks to is the extremely tight interdependence of all production processes worldwide.

We have a world in which a small minority lives high on the resources and labor of the rest. An elaborate system of nation states, capitalism, finance, etc. keeps the rest from getting together and turning off the taps. This event may destabilize the system.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 1 2022 19:43 utc | 112

Check out Col. Lang today. It seems that things aren't going so smoothly for Russia.

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Mar 1 2022 19:43 utc | 113

Posted by: GhostOfAdolf | Mar 1 2022 19:21 utc | 84

Never mind that people like John Mearsheimer - U of Chicago - an expert on the matters at hand, characterize the Putin = Hitler as "laughable in the extreme" or something to that effect. He meant really stupid. So congrats on presenting stupid information in such a clever manner. Bravo.

Posted by: macmuir | Mar 1 2022 19:45 utc | 114

Posted by: Boogity | Mar 1 2022 18:41 utc on the lionization of Zelensky now.
That will be fun to watch the propaganda do an immediate 180! I'm looking forward to it.
Rather like the Hero Of Afghanistan Freedom Fighters, Osama BinLaden, turning into the Most Evil Terrorist Ever.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 1 2022 19:46 utc | 115

@ reante | Mar 1 2022 19:38 utc | 107

Yes. As a former university professor myself (luckily retired while I could still keep my gorge down) I found that I could "teach" only about five percent of my students. Ninety percent were the kind who binge-purged information and retained nothing of consequence. Five percent learned something of significance from me. The remaining five percent -- the top five percent -- were passionate, self-motivated learners whom I could occasionally nudge in one direction or another by virtue of being a couple of steps higher on Parnassus, but who could have (and would have) succeeded entirely without me. I do miss that last five percent.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 1 2022 19:46 utc | 116

karlof1 105,

again, my accomplished brother, you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

if you are going to pay lip service to systems theory by referencing Tainter, then you don't get to keep your idealistic central thesis that the people of the East have such a bright future to look forward to because 'social capital.'

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 19:48 utc | 117

Malenkov 115

those steps are for your steps alone; If I knew the way, I would take you home

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 19:49 utc | 118

Scott 108, if the oil gets out then it's not an embargo now is it?

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 19:50 utc | 119

reante @90: "Saying that Russia can just use a different application than SWIFT and little will change in the global marketplace is like saying that Joe Rogan can just use a different platform than Spotify and little will change in the podcast marketplace."

True! Spotify would die, as will SWIFT in the not-too-distant future.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 1 2022 19:50 utc | 120

and if it's embargoed it's value will be even higher, so the effect in the embargoed country is nullified, hence you can't really blockade Russia with sanctions.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 19:52 utc | 121

Should anyone employed in the Canadian Federal Gov.be reading this, could you please find someone in the PMO or Foreign Affairs who looks somewhat competent and tell them, to tell whoever is pretending to make decisions in Ottawa to do the following:

CALM YOUR SHIT DOWN
STOP POURING GAS ON THE FIRE
DEMAND NATO SCREW ITS FUCKING HEAD ON AND AVOID THE DESTRUCTION OF CIVILIZATION BY SHUTTING THE FUCK UP AND BACKING UP SLOWLY

Sincerely,

Humans with Brains

P.S. Sorry about the yelling....

Posted by: macmuir | Mar 1 2022 19:53 utc | 122

BEAR TRAPS

There has been much talk about Putin falling into Biden's 'bear trap' of invading Ukraine, and to some extent, on the evidence of Russia's economy being nuked, it could be seen as true.

but..

Losing the battle to win the war...

Has the US fallen into Russia's (and China's) bear trap, as its National Bank's assets are now frozen and barred from SWIFT, much of the world must be taking notice and wondering if Russia's Gov't can be a victim of asset confiscation in a US controlled financial system, then everyone can. Not much of a confidence booster there..

is this the Critical Mass event to nuke SWIFT and the Petrodollar system, and put a nail in the US' imperial coffin?

It may not leave a mushroom cloud for us all to awe over, perhaps more of a slow burning plutonium laced death adder, but the effect could end up being just as deadly.

There is still the possibility of China backstabbing Russia, after all, now it has lost Europe and 20 years of savings, China is its only market now. and why would China, the largest exporter of goods worldwide, want its currency to suddenly skyrocket by becoming the new world reserve?

Posted by: Et Tu | Mar 1 2022 19:54 utc | 123

Peter AU1 | Mar 1 2022 19:31 utc | 97

I am not a military strategist, but I was a trained infantryman in US army '72-'75. Much training concerned how to move as a unit across all types of terrain, and ALL those movements involved scouts out to the flanks and in constant contact with the column. Training also in avoiding ambushes as well as preparing ambushes. That training of course wrt infantry on foot and in platoon or company sized formations; however, the same basic necessities and liabilities would still apply to large motorized convoys.

I have to believe that Russians have significant AA preparations and much scouting activity at the (very wide) flanks. It still is a gamble though if US/NATO decides to escalate, in which case, all bets are off. I do dislike discussing such stuff; having been a grunt does not make me an expert, and I never had to go into combat, something which I am thankful for almost every day of my life since I ETS'd.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Mar 1 2022 19:55 utc | 124

WJ @78: "This convoy is like an open jar of cookies the US will find very tempting. Has it been left out on the counter on purpose?"

Perhaps the Russians want to bag a couple F-35s. That would complicate the narrative spinning for the Mockingbird press.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 1 2022 19:55 utc | 125

NS2 Operator Company just declared bankrupcy, another handsome bill to be footed by European workers and companies. Gazprom too of course, but they might have recouped it already with gas prices. Yellow vests anybody? but not just in France.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 1 2022 19:56 utc | 126

Circe@35. So many twisted panties over a convoy stopped on the road. Obviously a major blunder because it distracted so many people, the Russians also, that the Nazi dip shits entrenched in Maripol escaped and are back in Kiev, after smashing their way in of course...and so the story goes. Shear utter desperation for any kind of an up lift, wouldn't surprise me to hear the convoy came under fire from the 82nd Geriatric Brigade. Two Aks can be mounted per walker. With the basket holding a full magazine, no word yet on the up armoured version.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 1 2022 19:56 utc | 127

This guy today is showing a breakout of Russian forces to the south, which I haven't heard discussed anywhere else. It looks as though the Russian might pivot west, above Odessa, and make for the Moldovan border (Moldova is generally pro-Russian), and effectively isolate Odessa. His maps in the past have been generally accurate.

Posted by: Apenultimate | Mar 1 2022 19:56 utc | 128

malenkov 115,

thank you.

if only that last five percent would just walk away from the system altogether. it's their hearts that need reaching first, before they've hardened for good by the age of 30.

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 19:57 utc | 129

@Circe | Mar 1 2022 18:23 utc | 35

I'm no expert into military affair, but I've read it somewhere else that miles long convoys actually suggest Russian air supremacy in the whole area. They are not afraid of being bombed by anyone from above. So in a way, this means the Russians are doing quite well in the war. And this check with what I have read from other Chinese media, about Russia achieving air supremacy in ukraine.

Posted by: Cindy6 | Mar 1 2022 19:58 utc | 130

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 19:48 utc | 116

karlof1 105,

again, my accomplished brother, you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

if you are going to pay lip service to systems theory by referencing Tainter, then you don't get to keep your idealistic central thesis that the people of the East have such a bright future to look forward to because 'social capital.'

Not taking sides here, but I'd like to point out that Lewis Mumford had quite a tell on such things in his series THE MYTH OF THE MACHINE. It's one reason why I won't be signing up to speak well of China (but I WILL note that they've been less brutal to "outsiders" than has the US/West). We might be shuffling the deck but make no mistake about it we're still playing with the same deck...

Posted by: Seer | Mar 1 2022 19:59 utc | 131

By the by, if you want to sort of see what he is saying (the link in my post 127), turn on CC in the Youtube video, click on the control gear icon, select Sub-titles, Auto Generate, and select your preferred language. It kind of works (you can get the general gist of what he is saying--not much else).

Posted by: Apenultimate | Mar 1 2022 20:00 utc | 132

William Gruff 119,

Right, which means the petrodollar dies, which means military coup -borne regime change in the West BEFORE that happens, because Western militaries depend on the petrodollar.

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 20:00 utc | 133

By the way, the use of „nazism“ in the MoA bubble[...]

Posted by: schkid | Mar 1 2022 17:20 utc | 1

Another member of the troll army. It is incredible how the Germans are ignorant of their nazi offsprings in Ukraine.

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 1 2022 20:00 utc | 134

wagelaborer | 114
At that time I saw an online news article referring to "Chechen freedom fighters". I checked back in a few hours and it was "Chechen terrorists".
I guess the writer of the original version was off-message and had to be slapped by an editor.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 1 2022 20:00 utc | 135

Short video of Lavrov
'It's unacceptable that US nuclear weapons are in Europe, it's time to bring them home' - Lavrov

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 1 2022 20:01 utc | 136

Posted by: macmuir | Mar 1 2022 19:45 utc | 113

it is laughable! i am far more charismatic than this russian. my concerts were sold out all over germany! also i didn't have nuclear weapons, damn those scientists. also our "legitimate grievances" were legit. at verssailles we were shafted, everyone knows this.

anyway, my leave of absence from hell is time limited. any more questions before i go back?

Posted by: GhostOfAdolf | Mar 1 2022 20:03 utc | 138

Scott 120,

there's no talking to you is there lol?

if it's truly embargoed by the West, meaning if China buys any then China would encounter a similar embargo (so China wouldn't buy any), then the value of the oil goes to zero.

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 20:04 utc | 139

@Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 1 2022 19:36 utc | 105

So true! And the Western neoliberal drive for "efficiency" and labor offshoring has removed much of the buffers in the global economy that provided some level of resilience. In many cases there are a very small number of critical producers that the whole system relies upon, strangely parallel to the Soviet penchant for such single points of failure which accelerated the economic collapse after the dissolution of the Soviet bloc and Soviet Union.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 1 2022 20:07 utc | 140

Russia is losing the public relations war. Predictably the US media is vilifying Russia and applauding the innocent, heroic Ukranians. Little to no mention of the geopolitical forces at play. And haven’t heard any mention that the US might actually have had a role in fostering this crisis.

Just curious what would happen if Joe Rogan got a real foreign policy expert on the show to sit and discuss the bigger picture w the masses for 3 hours. That would change control of the narrative, wouldn’t it.

Posted by: Joe | Mar 1 2022 20:07 utc | 141

Pantsir: "The weapon system can acquire and engage targets while on the move."

The Russian convoy would not be an easy target, even if the Ukraine still had aircraft to attack it with.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 1 2022 20:08 utc | 142

>>>>>: Jak Siemasz | Mar 1 2022 18:11 utc | 23

Putins (sic) and oligarchs
What oligarchs? Putin persuaded them they'd be better off as business men and emigrants. The only countries with oligarchs are Ukraine and United States.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 1 2022 20:08 utc | 143

"Harvard University, the home of the Holodomor hoax."

In yesterday's Counterpunch there was actually a column by one Cesar Chelala claiming that
"Russia’s continuous claims of brotherly relations with Ukraine dismiss the lasting trauma created by the Soviet Union during the Holodomor Great Famine that lasted from 1932 to 1933. According to a United Nations statement signed by 25 countries in 2003, 7-10 million people died during that famine."
That was not an earthquake in California yesterday it was Alex Cockburn turning in his grave.
"Signed by 25 countries" as evidence is a good one though.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 1 2022 20:08 utc | 144

Posted by: Apenultimate | Mar 1 2022 19:56 utc | 127

Thanks for that link, did not know that guy but there was a very interesting and important announcement in his video, the first prisoner exchange has taken place and not organized by governmental institutions but by the Ukrainian and Russian commanders themselves. I think it was Smoothie or maybe Orlov who mentioned that the officers facing each other went to the same academies, people that trained, worked, lived and drank together, that's the big hope, that they'll contain the huge damage done by external actors, politicians and the radical nazi battalions.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 1 2022 20:09 utc | 145

@ ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 19:49 utc | 117

Why am I suddenly reminded of this? --

»Hier konnte niemand sonst Einlaß erhalten, denn dieser Eingang war nur für dich bestimmt. Ich gehe jetzt und schließe ihn.«

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 1 2022 20:09 utc | 146

Ghost 137,

Yes. Just one question.

Were you, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, controlled opposition or not?

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 20:09 utc | 147

reante | Mar 1 2022 20:04 utc | 138
So, we end up with EU+5EYES boycotting the rest of the world. I'll be interested to see how that works out.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Mar 1 2022 20:13 utc | 148

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 20:09 utc | 146

excellent question! but regrettably i have signed and nda with satan and can not answer that.

Posted by: GhostOfAdolf | Mar 1 2022 20:14 utc | 149

@8 sushi
What is Cassad’s telegram channel

Posted by: Cresty | Mar 1 2022 20:16 utc | 150

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Mar 1 2022 18:51 utc | 54

Destroying the TV Station...

So I wonder if this was an actual military target and Russia is struggling with the handful of drones left in Ukraine's arsenal. Kiev is well located to be a comm hub.

No, it was not a military target and destroying may have violated the laws of war. But it is the result of the Western escalation of banning Russian TV and Internet. (Actually Ukraine has banned everything Russian for eight years. Europe has now become a party to the war.)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 1 2022 20:16 utc | 151

reante you are so pedantic; a ultimately sophist

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 20:17 utc | 152

vinnieoh | Mar 1 2022 19:55 utc | 123

A very large area to scout. Conventional artillery- say 20km plus range, Grad 45km, Tornado 90km. Park some of that stuff in a few warehouses or patch of forest or whatever and wheel it out when a worth while target is in range. I don't know if the Ukies have done anything like that but it is a danger or risk that is always there.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 1 2022 20:17 utc | 153

@ bevin | Mar 1 2022 20:08 utc | 143

Alexander Cockburn is spinning in his grave at least as twice as fast as you might think. Here's the headline of some pants-on-fire garbage his brother Patrick published in Counterpunch yesterday:

"Putin has Gambled Everything on His Snap-Invasion of Ukraine, Now His Political Survival in Russia is in Doubt"

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 1 2022 20:18 utc | 154

Thx to Sushi, Et Tu and others for taking the trouble. Besides scouting ahead and sideways for potential saboteurs, I was kind of wondering if the Russian military would be monitoring the air space on the convoy's route for incoming drones or aircraft? What about if black ops were introduced into Ukraine to conduct some operation there?

drshivago

Can’t understand the fascination with the convoy?

It's a 40-mile long train probably worth hundreds of millions of dollars that can make the operation or break it if sabotaged.

When you have a convoy 40-miles long that's an impressive whole lot of treasure in personnel and heavy weaponry, artillery, vehicles, supplies and refueling trucks etc. The whole operation could be lost if some bad actor were to sabotage that convoy.

You know that USNATO are dreaming out loud and salivating looking at that Russian convoy slowly snaking its way toward Kiev.

******
On another note, I'm glad to see that Ukrainian civilians are leaving and being well received and their needs met at their destinations. Hopefully, this encourages many more to do the same so they don't get caught in the crossfire. They can always return later when the operation is complete. All civilians should leave until this is over, Ukraine has been secured and demilitarized and it is safe.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 1 2022 20:18 utc | 155

Well, can anyone confirm that this crazy Finnish Prime Minister is really going to get in the middle? Is she crazy or is she a neo-Nazi in disguise? Put all your citizens at risk!

Posted by: Oisin | Mar 1 2022 20:18 utc | 156

Can anybody explain me why Russia left its reserves in western banks?
The only thing I don't understand.
Thank you.

Posted by: njet | Mar 1 2022 20:19 utc | 157

@ Joe 140
re: Russia is losing the public relations war.
In the West, yes, because of the media's monotonous same-ism.
But China, India and UAE did abstain in recent anti-Russia UNSC votes.
The Muslim world, for example, has been the victim of fatal US aggression and got no UN attention at all. The victims weren't "like us" as Ukrainians are.
And how about Africa and Latin America? Some of them are not big fans of the US and Europe.
We should know more out of the UN General Assembly Meeting now going on.
That too may be overplayed and slanted by the media also (not underplayed like all those UN findings against Israel).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 1 2022 20:21 utc | 158

https://cointelegraph.com/news/russia-houses-200b-worth-of-crypto-kremlin-estimates

Holy S**t ! That's a lot of crypto. I however wonder how it's distributed. Hopefully not totally in oligarch hands.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 1 2022 20:22 utc | 159

@ njet | Mar 1 2022 20:19 utc | 156

(1) Repatriating all of Russia's reserves would've been at least as good a sign of impending hostilities as amassing troops on the border.
(2) Russia can easily impound/confiscate the assets of hostile states in a tit-for-tat.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 1 2022 20:22 utc | 160

@Posted by: Apenultimate | Mar 1 2022 19:56 utc | 127

Thanks for the link, and the auto-generated English subtitles are not bad! If the Russians really have broken out in the south and on their way to the Moldovan border the Western narratives will all start to collapse. The breakout south of Kiev could join up with the southern breakout to completely sever the north east of Ukraine from the rest of the country.

I wouldn't be surprised if that happened that the stupid Polish would take Lviv and the surrounding area with all the problems that will give them. Possibly also Hungary and Romania take their bits too. Would make for a nice neat border for the new Ukraine.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 1 2022 20:24 utc | 161

Posted by: augusto | Mar 1 2022 18:28 utc | 40

Their (the western) imperialism is bad but your (the russian) imperialism just now is good? Is that what you wanted to say? That's a childish argument.
The russophiles in Germany who always wrote against NATO and pro Russia feel betrayed (I linked one article). Now the NATO-Honks won ("We did tell you the whole time the russians were as bad as you described the NATO and US. You didn't believe it then. Do you believe us now?").
In every german talk show about russia in the last decades there was at least one "Putinversteher". That is gone, there isn't anyone left.

Posted by: schkid | Mar 1 2022 20:24 utc | 162

@Jak Siemasz(23):
Have a lock where are the Putin's oligarchs flying around!
https://twitter.com/RUOligarchJets/with_replies
Have fun, live long and prosper!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1qa8N2ID0

Posted by: Wolle | Mar 1 2022 20:25 utc | 163

Krungle | Mar 1 2022 18:25 utc | 32

Russia and Ukraine lead the global production of metals such as nickel, copper and iron. They are also largely involved in the export and manufacture of other essential raw materials like neon, palladium and platinum.

Fears of sanctions on Russia have increased the price of these metals. With palladium, for example, the current trading price of almost US$2,700 per ounce, up more than 80% since mid-December.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/supply-chain-bottlenecks-to-worsen-as-russia-ukraine-conflict-spirals-12600522.htm

Ukraine is home to half of the world's neon gas, which is critical for manufacturing semiconductor chips | Wired |

Posted by: Oui | Mar 1 2022 20:25 utc | 164

Peter AU1 | Mar 1 2022 20:17 utc | 152

Yes, and all the AA in the world is no protection against lr artillery and rocket fire. As I said, a large gamble.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Mar 1 2022 20:27 utc | 165

njet, why do you assume they have all their reserves in our banks, we really don't know how much they had, certainly they anticipated this in their long preparation. As someone pointed out the estimates of what their reserves here are are dated; and of course as malenkov points out there are other leverages to bear

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 20:28 utc | 166

Russia has stated its aim isn't to occupy Ukraine but to alter it politically--denazify--and for that alteration to be made as permanent as possible. Putin also mentioned it would decommunist Ukraine which would entail altering Ukraine's territorial arrangement by decoupling those regions added by Stalin and Lenin from the historical core of Ukraine which would become the new Novorossiya. It differs very little from what NATO did to Yugoslavia, although the rationale is completely different. These twin alterations are a minor facet of the new Putin Doctrine, but they do form the foundation for Russia's new security arrangement it will enforce upon Europe.

A note to the few thinking that China will exploit Russia at this juncture. Russia and China are in this entire rearrangement together and announced that to the world on February 4th. You may choose to ignore that salient fact but is nonetheless reality. As for traps, the only one that I've seen was sprung at the Munich Security Conference where Zelensky, Scholtz, and crew trapped themselves by declaring the Budapest Declaration dead and laughing at the ethnic Russians being killed by the EU's support for the neo-Nazi Genocide in Donbass--they are all now in a very deep hole with a menacing bear looking down at them wondering which one it ought to digest first.

As most know, the Outlaw US Empire is terrible at chess but thinks it's good at poker. It's now proving that it sucks at both and will soon become a victim of its colossal hubris.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 1 2022 20:29 utc | 167

Sushi | Mar 1 2022 18:58 utc | 59

Already covered info about supply upheaval export neon gas and risk fabrication microchips. 🙏🏽

Krungle | Mar 1 2022 18:25 utc | 32

Posted by: Oui | Mar 1 2022 20:29 utc | 168

According to US polling firm Morning Consult, 34% of Americans who participated in their poll were able to locate Ukraine on a map.

"When asked to find Ukraine on a blank map of Europe, only about 1 in 3 voters correctly located the country, slightly more than the 28 percent who were able to identify Iran on a map roughly two years ago in the wake of a U.S. strike on the Islamic Republic’s most powerful commander."

They did however do better finding Russia.. Bigger I suppose.

https://morningconsult.com/2022/02/09/can-americans-find-ukraine-on-a-map/

Found that via a link contained in a link someone posted on the last thread.

Posted by: bubbles | Mar 1 2022 20:32 utc | 169

I feel like we're all refugees safe in here from the massive propaganda war out there that's trying to kill our spirit and annihilate independent thought.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 1 2022 20:34 utc | 170

@Posted by: Oisin | Mar 1 2022 20:18 utc | 155

"Well, can anyone confirm that this crazy Finnish Prime Minister is really going to get in the middle? Is she crazy or is she a neo-Nazi in disguise? Put all your citizens at risk!"

Sanna Marin is a woke neoliberal (even raised by her mum and her lesbian mother after the husband was kicked out, you can't make this stuff up), who was only 34 when she became PM with no experience but local politics (and Finnish politics is a small scale affair). Easily manipulated naive young thing, in 2020 became a WEF Young Global Leader. Also a millennia who writes tweets about "boomers".

A pretty young face for the Borg to hide behind. A female version of Trudeau.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 1 2022 20:37 utc | 171

njet @156--

That's been done for many years as it makes international transactions and commerce easier as much is facilitated by letter of credit.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 1 2022 20:37 utc | 172

njet | Mar 1 2022 20:19 utc | 156

Can only say that those reserves seem to be only frozen as opposed to being stolen. Nevertheless the Western powers have effectively telegraphed to the whole world that it cannot trust that their funds will be secure. If you wanted to demolish a whole lot of parasitical and not very liquid financial institutions by sowing the seeds of them distrusting each other Russia’s “concealed check” of leaving some of its funds lying around and ripe for the taking would be great way of doing it.

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Mar 1 2022 20:38 utc | 173

Damn autocorrect, I meant "lesbian lover"

Posted by: Roger | Mar 1 2022 20:38 utc | 174

Bubbles, years of Risk helps, but most of us likely expect it to connect to the North Sea, hold it and the Middle East and you control one part of the globe in the Hasbro game of Risk. The Breakup of Russia really messed up the relevance of the crude Risk map; but 1/3 of Americans can still find it on a map. "You sank my battleship"--I know, totally different game

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 20:39 utc | 175

Finding places on maps is over-rated. (I say that because I'd have trouble with. . .Nebraska, say.)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 1 2022 20:39 utc | 176

Scott

There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go, no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone

You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home


Posted by: downtownhaiku | Mar 1 2022 20:39 utc | 177

Posted by: Circe | Mar 1 2022 20:34 utc | 169

I fear we are all significantly underestimating the likelihood that this proves to be the final conflict on earth.

Posted by: WJ | Mar 1 2022 20:40 utc | 178

Ghost 148,

good answer! if you have an nda with satan that means you were a Plant.

thanks!

I've always wanted to know one way or the other. decoding current events is one thing but divining the Past is impossible because it's all hearsay.

Posted by: reante | Mar 1 2022 20:41 utc | 179

@bubbles | Mar 1 2022 20:32 utc | 168
Well, they more or less missed the Donbass, so I guess that is a plus.

Some suggesting the sea off Iceland.... hmmm, this might be the Liz Truss school of geography.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 1 2022 20:44 utc | 180

WJ | Mar 1 2022 19:16 utc | 78

A column too good to be true? There may be an element of "disinformation" as the real "action" is further south around Mariopol and south of the Dnieper river. This column, reinforcements etc. may well be waiting for the Kiev area to be stabilized before being used.
***

Following on from my own post on "yesterdays five a'days news", (Stonebird | Mar 1 2022 18:41 utc | 644) I reckon the Russians and the Chinese are doing a "bad cop - good cop" routine. The Russians face the "westies", while China is playing "stability" for the rest of the world. The BRI (which we seem to have forgotten) would be the avenue for much of the "second" world, to aleviate themselves from poverty and oppression. Which may explain much of their reticence to back the "westies" now.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 1 2022 20:49 utc | 181

And Chris Hedges is thrown off the air by Youtube. Because you know, Russia gave him a platform.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 1 2022 20:49 utc | 182

@ Posted by: Circe | Mar 1 2022 20:18 utc | 154

" What about if black ops were introduced into Ukraine to conduct some operation there?"

I am not sure how old you are or how many movies you have watched, but without wanting to be too condescending, here are some basic numbers and considerations:

"Black Ops"

How will they deploy in the Convoy AO? Chopper? please refer to my first comment.. ok, Private Vehicles, undercover, perhaps would be their best chance of surviving the trip let's say.

What weapons would they be using? ATGM's? Operational range 2-3 kms max, line of sight targeting, meaning not only would the Russian Army be guilty of unprofessional op sec, galactic levels of incompetence, since they would have constant recon and monitoring of their perimeter, including air cover with drones, choppers and jets, meaning those Spec Ops guys NATO spent years training will die after best case firing a few rounds.

Good luck finding such volunteers.

All you achieved, is you just gave Russia the best PR to expose either the ineffectiveness of the Javelins et al supplied by NATO, or a reason to threaten escalation should more of such weapons be found entering Ukraine.

Posted by: Rambo Mambo | Mar 1 2022 20:53 utc | 183

Rambo, they might actually achieve a non-propagandized perspective on the war; which is VERY scarce

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 1 2022 20:55 utc | 184

WJ | Mar 1 2022 20:40 utc | 177

We may get some additional clues tonight @ 9:00pm est. Can't decide whether to self-sedate beforehand so I don't throw stuff at the walls or be cold sober so as to fully comprehend the hidden messages. Probably will do just enough to keep from jumping out of my skin.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Mar 1 2022 20:57 utc | 185

Really? You thought you can kill people in the Donbass for 8 years and nothing is going to happen?

Posted by: Passer by | Mar 1 2022 18:50 utc | 53

That is just the occasion. You'll always will find one if you want a war.
If all this is to help the people in the two republics, why now? Strelkov demanded this 2015. I can tell you: the Zirkons and the other famous stuff weren't ready 2015. The people living in the two republics therefore had to endure the shelling till now. Bad luck!
The reason for this war is, I think, what Peter Zeihan wrote (first link): to close two gaps.

Posted by: schkid | Mar 1 2022 20:57 utc | 186

bevin | Mar 1 2022 20:08 utc | 143 ""Russia’s continuous claims of brotherly relations with Ukraine dismiss the lasting trauma created by the Soviet Union during the Holodomor Great Famine that lasted from 1932 to 1933."

That one is a great talking points for the Ukraine nazi's. Most of what is considered the bad soviet stuff occurred during the Stalin era. Stalin (born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili) was a co patriot of Saakashvili- a Georgian.
Propaganda goes a long way I guess.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 1 2022 20:58 utc | 187

This is the first time that I see M. K. Bhadrakumar write in this format:

"We’re Europeans, Christians, Whites!"
https://www.indianpunchline.com/were-europeans-christians-whites/

The hypocrisy of our woke western media, and of the sheep that uncritically follow them, is unbelievable.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Mar 1 2022 20:59 utc | 188

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 1 2022 19:25 utc | 92

Haha I'm an old frog who don't sleep much. So my nights are punctuated with waking periods when I'd check if the world hasn't been vaporised whilst I slept.

Yes I was very much woke by 2014 and could see the useless BBC pushing out lies of nazi victories whilst the truth of couldrons burning the scum were suppressed by global MSM, as is today.
You should know of Colonel Cassad, Donbass Insider from back then. South Front had their birth covering that war.
I'm reading the first 2 on their Telegram channels.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 1 2022 21:00 utc | 189

This Russian military Operation is going to be completed, and if USNATO were of good faith they'd do everything in their power to accommodate Putin's demands for the best outcome with the least casualties.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 1 2022 21:01 utc | 190

Posted by: WJ | Mar 1 2022 20:40 utc | 177

I fear we are all significantly underestimating the likelihood that this proves to be the final conflict on earth.

My dad was born in 1905 … two events left a great impression on him as a child … tale about the Krakatoa exploding in 1883 and the news about the sinking of the Titanic.

… and the band played on … fate.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 1 2022 21:03 utc | 191

@ reante #99

Depends on what you export. If what you have to sell is a matter of life and death for your buyers (think oil, gas, rare minerals) your buyers would need to be suicidal to sanction your exports. On the other hand, if you are a seller of bananas ... here you are right.

Posted by: In Passing | Mar 1 2022 21:07 utc | 192

. . .from Newsweek (and others)
Zelensky Receives Standing Ovation From EU Parliament in Emotional Scenes
President Biden is giving his first 'state of the union' speech tonight, "amid global crisis."
It's common practice to have some poor soul who's recently been in the news surprisingly sitting in the front row who will be publicly recognized by the Prez, to put listeners in a patriotic frame of mind... . . . Catch my drift?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 1 2022 21:07 utc | 193

No more secrecy about NATO's plan : French Finance Minister Bruno le Maire said on Tuesday that France will "wage an all-out economic and financial war on Russia" and will "cause the collapse of the Russian economy" in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. He warned the sanctions imposed on Moscow will hurt citizens as well as the direct targets, including government officials and oligarchs, but insisted the measures will stay in place until Russian President Vladimir Putin abandons his ambitions in Ukraine.
The same goofy conspirationnist later backpedaled and stated he had nothing against the Russian people. He still let the cat out of the bag: this is tantamount to a call for a Kinzhal strike on the Elysée Palace?

Posted by: chb | Mar 1 2022 21:07 utc | 194

Have the Javelin missiles in fact been a game changer - causing Russia to change its methods? Why are they so effective?

Can Russia realistically expect to prevent the delivery of more Javelins?

Posted by: jared | Mar 1 2022 21:08 utc | 195

Blatant orientalism in Western media coverage of Ukraine war | Opinion PressTV |

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/02/28/677694/Blatant-orientalism-in-Western-media-coverage-of-Ukraine-war

Posted by: Oui | Mar 1 2022 21:09 utc | 196

@ Greg Galloway | Mar 1 2022 19:40 utc | 109

I agree. All the USA and UK had to do was give the Europeans a little nudge and their centuries old cultural / ethnic hatred of "Asiatic" Russia would explode to the surface. This hatred goes back to the 9th century Byzantines vs. the Franks and 1054 Schism of the Catholic and Orthdox Churches.

My old man (RIP), who was a Missouri Ozark Redneck who fought in WW2 against Nazis, told me decades ago that if you scratch about any "civilized" European, be he German, French, Romanian, Italian, whatever, there's a savage Nazi underneath. He felt strongly that it was unfair that Germany alone bore the brunt of the punishment after WW2.

Anyone who knows the real history of WW2 knows that the Germans weren't acting alone, In fact, the Germans had numerous enthusiastic European allies from 10 - 15 counties during the course of war, many of whom are now NATO.

Posted by: Boogity | Mar 1 2022 21:11 utc | 197

Trolls are trolls and are to be expected. It amazing there are only so few of them, or maybe they're simply working overtime on twitter and facebook.

But come on, who takes Pat Lang seriously anymore (or ever at all)? Confusing The Telegraph for an credible source? Time for the psycho-geriatrical ward! BTW Pat is "amicable" with Hillary and Sidney. Got any more questions?

Here in the Netherlands, the propaganda is not a fog, not a blanket, it is a massive granitic formation. Anyone who deviates from the narrative is suspect and treasonous. Spoke to to my boomer parents, who are fully enthralled. When pointed out factual inconsistencies, they became confused, agitated and emotional. I (their child) had to be diplomatic and very careful. I could only just get away with pointing out the hypocrisy regarding Yemen. Metioning how "we" committed far worse crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan was almost a bridge too far. Oh memories of the Iraq war, when the sheeple wrapped up in the propaganda blanket were fed a continuous stream of glee about the victorious endeavours of our boys fighting against "terror".

Can it get more freakishly weird and absurd than this? If I had to bet on it, I would bet that it can. Brace yourselves.

Posted by: Lurk | Mar 1 2022 21:13 utc | 198

You and I are seeing this event completely different. I see it as Russia demanding national security in reciprocal fashion vis-a-vis NATO/EU, was denied and ridiculed, and took the actions that they said they would. You see this as Russia imposing Russian Imperialism upon Germany/Europe.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 1 2022 18:55 utc | 55

No, upon Ukraina.
a) The West is bullying the russians, because of fucking imperialism. That is what they always do. You are right. Our opinions are similar here.
b) The russians bully the ukrainians because of a) (your opinion)
b) The russians bully the ukrainians because of "We are militarily strong now. We can bully too." That is also fucking imperialism (my opinion). If it was about the two republics, the russians could have helped them 2015 as Strelkov demanded.

Posted by: schkid | Mar 1 2022 21:14 utc | 199

bubbles | Mar 1 2022 20:32 utc | 168

On the notorious ignorance of Americans when it comes to basic geography, years ago I was trying to send something from here in the States to Madrid via DHL. When I announced this to the DHL customer representative on the phone, he said, "Just one moment. I'll check the rates for Italy."

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Mar 1 2022 21:15 utc | 200

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