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March 10, 2022
Disarming Ukraine Day 15: A Curious Hospital Bombing And ‘No-Fly Zone’ Pressure

This allegedly happened on March 9 at about 17:30 local time (15:30 UTC) in Mariupol, Ukraine:

Russian forces bombed a maternity and children's hospital in southern Ukraine, authorities there said Wednesday, an attack described by the country's President Volodymyr Zelensky as an "atrocity."

Mariupol city council posted a video of the devastated hospital in the city and accused Russian forces of dropping several bombs on it from the air.

Police in the Donetsk region said that according to preliminary information at least 17 people were injured, including mothers and staff, as a result of the attack.

Zelensky repeated his call for the NATO military alliance to declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine, as he expressed his outrage at the attack.

This is curious. The three story building is quite large with more than a hundred rooms.


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Pictures show that all windows have been destroyed by a huge pressure wave. If there had been people in the building many would be dead and all would likely have cuts from glass and other debris flying around.

How come that there were allegedly only 17 people injured?

The video taken shortly after the incident (still in daylight) and published by CNN shortly thereafter shows the completely destroyed interior of the hospital but no casualties and no traces of blood on the floors. The still pictures published with the CNN report show only one man in uniform who has some blood on his face. Other persons in the pictures have no visible signs of wounds.

A day before a news piece in the Russian magazine Lenta.ru published on March 8 at 00:01 local time (March 7 21:01 UTC) had mentioned the hospital. (The piece was fetched by archive.org on March 7 22:09 UTC.) It is a report from a Lenta.ru reporter in Donbas who interviewed refugees arriving from Mariupol. Here is a machine translated excerpt:

“They can’t hold out for more than a week” Residents of Mariupol talk about the humanitarian catastrophe that is unfolding before their eyes

The correspondent of Lenta.ru visited the village of Bezymennoye in the south of the DPR, where residents of Mariupol fleeing the hostilities arrive, and talked with those who managed to leave the city.

Some of the residents of the villages adjacent to Mariupol managed to get to the territory controlled by the DPR without any problems. But not everyone is so lucky, and everyone has their own story.

During the first day of the humanitarian corridor's operation, only 52 people left Mariupol (and about 200,000 were expected). There are always human tragedies behind the numbers.

A man walks by the tents where refugees are taken. He is on edge and does not let go of the phone, his face shows that he has not been without sleep for several days. His name is Igor, he spent about a day on the road to get to Bezymennoye from the Crimea. He constantly approaches the military, employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, asking to see the lists to find out if his elderly parents were able to evacuate from Mariupol. He is trying to go along with the soldiers towards the front line, closer to the city.

Igor said that in the last days of February, people in uniform came to the maternity hospital where his mother works. He does not know whether they were fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the nationalist battalion "Azov" (banned in the Russian Federation). The military knocked down all the locks, dispersed the staff of the maternity hospital, and set up firing points in the building in order, as they explained to the doctors, to prepare the “fortress of Mariupol” for defense. The reaction of the military to objections is standard: blows with rifle butts, shooting into the air.

On March 7 (UTC-5) the permanent mission of the Russian Federation to the UN published a statement by its Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia had made at a UNSC briefing on the humanitarian situation in Ukraine. The briefing had been scheduled for March 7 3:00 pm local time (March 7 20:00 UTC). (The statement was fetched by archive.org on March 8 at 2:12 UTC.)

The statement says among other things:

By our records, 200 thousand civilians are trapped in Mariupol alone and held at gunpoint by the Azov battalion. The humanitarian situation in cities deteriorates rapidly. As for humanitarians who are ready to help, they cannot get in there and prevent the unfolding disaster. People in other regions of Ukraine that have been blocked by nationalist battalions find themselves in the same desperate situation.

Ukrainian radicals show their true face more distinctly by the day. Locals reports that Ukraine’s Armed Forces kicked out personnel of natal hospital #1 of the city of Mariupol and set up a firing site within the facility. Besides, they fully destroyed one of the city’s kindergartens.

We have these records:

  • On March 7 some time after 20:00 UTC the maternity hospital #1 in Mariupol was mention at a UNSC meeting as being occupied by the Ukrainian military.
  • On March 7 21:01 UTC Lenta.ru published a report from a reporter in Donbas who had interviewed someone who said that the hospital was occupied by possibly Azov or other military forces.
  • On March 9 about 15:30 UTC the hospital gets bombed and completely destroyed but with astonishing few alleged casualties none of which are documented despite video records taken on the scene shortly after the incident.
  • Shortly thereafter President Zelensky uses the bombing to publicly press for a 'western' enforced 'no-fly zone' over Ukraine. (There is currently a Russian enforced no-fly zone over Ukraine.)

I leave it for readers to decide what really has happened here.

Comments

The severe mental trauma being instilled in the minds of the British peoples is designed to make us punch ourselves into brian damage in our version of Fight Club.
The Scots are supposed to stop thinking of Independence for ever.
The Welsh have are being regressed from their tiny bit of devolution.
A means of keeping a Union together while the City goes all ‘independent’ as a Freeport.
Wales , probably not much different in size to the Ukrainian breakaway regions & having their own language , TV stations, newspapers and culture and history that predates ‘England’ – DON’T SEE themselves as more like these Russian speakers who want autonomy from the Master Race in Kiev and its US/U.K. garrisons and have been under constant attack for 8 years!
They should know that what happened there in 2014 onwards is what they would feel had England cut them off from their Bridge and insisted that all welsh place names and daily life would only take place in English. Their heritage and eistedfford would be cancelled and schools would teach the forever respect and worship of only all things English!
But being thick as shit sheep worrying stereotypes the yakkydas can’t see that their daffodil worshiping, leek eating ways are so shite they have not stopped at hating just Putin and Oligarchs but buy into Russophobia and Racism and now hate all things Russian – including centuries dead composers, authors, cats and alcohol! Dumb. Yes they have made themselves into the caricature laughing stock they were nearly grown out of! My weepy friends have been informed of my view and they are not happy!
The six nations rugby which usually highlights these ancient fault lines is now turned into a pointless exercise in jingoism and virtue signalling.
The juinior nations are more into supporting the Union they had damned nearly escaped, just to rush back to the English Master, blowing his dog whistle.
The Scots by the way are even dumber, having bought into the conspiracy of the goby women working as Crown agents to reverse the Indy mood which demands that independence be taken, if not given! Why even consider yourself part of an unequal Union?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 11 2022 11:11 utc | 301

Posted by: Tim Rourke | Mar 11 2022 2:31 utc | 239
Sure, you can use my arguments. I did research on that, because I wanted to know what mechanism is behind that we as humans fall for propaganda so easily. However, I am not a specialist in that field, just a common man with questions. So you should do your own research on the illusion of truth effect to understand it better.
This video helps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebFWOlx848
Another paper: https://cognitiveresearchjournal.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41235-021-00301-5
Another paper: https://www.journalofcognition.org/articles/10.5334/joc.161/
A piece from the BBC about the effect: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 11 2022 11:14 utc | 302

@jared | Mar 11 2022 1:44 utc | 234
“Is all off this just to win an election?”
And keep Hillary Clinton out of the courts and off the front page.

Posted by: imo | Mar 11 2022 11:20 utc | 303

More suspicions that there might be secret military biological laboratories in Ukraine:
“WHO recommended that Ukraine destroy the existing especially dangerous pathogens in order to avoid leaks that could lead to the spread of the disease among the population.”
But still no proof.
[sarcasm off/]

Posted by: Olivier | Mar 11 2022 11:22 utc | 304

Ukraine, having been a Western encampment of political shonks and agencies for years, has some powerful PR spinners.
Posted by: PaulH | Mar 11 2022 11:09 utc | 300

One of the most prominent media organizations being amplified, The Kyiv Indpendant, is little more than a Western intelligence cutout.

Throughout this war, one of the most prolific voices has been the Kyiv Independent. Through both their website and their twitter account they have been posting a nearly endless stream of unconfirmed and often fantastical pro-Ukrainian propaganda. However, despite never offering even a scrap of evidence, they exploded from a few thousand followers before the war to several million now, with millions more following their individual reporters. Their war “reporter” Illia Ponomarenko has even been on Fox News

I’ll get back to Illia in a moment, but for now we must turn an eye to the paper he works for, the Kyiv Independent. While it is normal on the surface, when you examine the “journalists” they employ, a certain pattern emerges.

https://ironfelix1.medium.com/e45440517f6f

Posted by: too scents | Mar 11 2022 11:31 utc | 305

https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1078219
Mishustin (Russia’s minister of economy): Unfriendly actions by USA and their allies created the situation having no precedents. The fundamental rules of international trade are all but disposed of.
So much of “rules-based world order”

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 11:34 utc | 306

having no precedents.
Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 11:34 utc | 307

Nationalizing necessary industry has a long history of precedent, and sore losers.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 11 2022 11:41 utc | 307

The smoke comes from the tanks starting their engines and firing their guns.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 11 2022 1:02 utc | 229
I also want to add, that for diesel-powered tanks (that is, mostly all of modern tanks with few exceptions) the simplest and cheapest method to create a visible smoke screen is just inject pulverized fuel into engine exhaust pipes. That would probably not blind IR auto-guided missiles, but human eyes would be handicapped. I don’t know if modern Russian tanks use that method (but why not?), older Soviet tanks surely did.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 11:42 utc | 308

One of the most prominent media organizations being amplified, The Kyiv Indpendant,
Posted by: too scents | Mar 11 2022 11:31 utc | 306
Well, if someone has a tooth for Ukrainian non-western media, then perhaps one can look into https://versii.com/
It is in Russian and one of core writers there is perhaps more of satire than of journalism, so reading him for non Russian-speakers would be hard.
But that was the media i was reading 2012-2015, when Ukraine became more and more noisy ( i did not had any interest in Ukraine before 2012 ).

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 11:49 utc | 309

The US still has plenty of time to get rid of its biochemical weapons:
Posted by: digital dinosaur | Mar 11 2022 4:46 utc | 261
Hmmm… thinking about GitMo and CIA secret torture center in Poland…
May it be that USA is very very wanting “to get rid of its biochemical weapons” yet at the same time to retain them?
If so, keeping USA chem-WMD in other nations depots could be their way to achieve both, seemingly mutually exclusive, goals.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 12:00 utc | 310

Just accept what I told you, dummy.
Posted by: d dan | Mar 10 2022 17:54 utc | 120
The masses have completely it seems.

Posted by: Jpc | Mar 11 2022 12:02 utc | 311

23 years ago NATO bombs hit the “Dragiša Mišović” hospital in central Belgrade
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bqtfl8/on_this_day_20_years_ago_nato_bombs_hit_the/

Posted by: Zanon | Mar 11 2022 12:10 utc | 312

Someone talking on this thread about a new International brigades to fight (yank, EU, Ukrainian) fascism.
According to Pepe, 16000 volunteers have approached Russia with a view to fighting the ISIS/Al Quaeda/Nazi/Israeli/US/EU/Nato alliance.
https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1502252798968221703?cxt=HHwWjsCy1cO9idkpAAAA

Posted by: Hidari | Mar 11 2022 12:25 utc | 313

Thanks. For the impending economic/debt crisis, we can be sure that the narrative for a patriotic bankster bailout is already under construction. Viva Ukraine! Viva crony capitalism!
Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 11 2022 3:06 utc | 249
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Good point.
The US has used its funds to boost real estate and stocks not for general welfare and real production.
It has used its military and the weaponized dollar to extract the resources and production of others. The brutality of this extraction is being exposed as well as being destroyed.

Posted by: financial matters | Mar 11 2022 12:53 utc | 314

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 9:13 utc | 284
Demyanenko wasn’t too smart. Being on that level of SBU he should have been driving with a vehicle that had at minimum bullet proof windows, minimum.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 11 2022 13:32 utc | 315

https://ria.ru/20220311/rezervy-1777685229.html
Ukraine is “working with EU colleagues” on measures to arrest Russia’s assets. Ukraine is sure they would soon found the methos to spend those confiscated assets “on further recovery of Ukrainian economy”
….they still pretend EU is about feeding colonies, not about ripping them

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 13:34 utc | 316

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 11 2022 13:32 utc | 316
Would had given him few minutes of agonizing fear more, with the same result.
At this level you should somehow predict anyone attacking you and preempt them or evade.
He should had fled Ukraine or maybe killed Avakov first.
…BTW, what if recent and wrong rumours of Avakov assassination had substantiation?

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 13:36 utc | 317

What is the status of the propaganda?
(hmm…or would that be, The State of Propaganda)
It is circular. The State of Propaganda (SOP) is pouring it on thick and heavy as never before.
If the SOP is to be believed (!)
it says that the propaganda is working, people are supporting the Nazis and NATO.
People are sheeple. If they believe that everyone else is supporting the Nazis and NATO
like the SOP tells us
then they will follow like dutiful sheep and actually support the NATO Nazis.
*********(Anagram alert! It has been revealed that NATO Nazis anagrams to Zion Satan! Holy Hannah!)**********

Posted by: librul | Mar 11 2022 13:57 utc | 318

I think that likely Russia will carefully gain control of eastern Ukraine then sit tight – allowing western Ukraine to fester as rump state. US will attempt to relocate the government to western Ukraine. Sadly that partitioning becomes a long time wound. Ukraine army would have to decide to re-unite the halves.

Posted by: jared | Mar 11 2022 14:07 utc | 319

Would had given him few minutes of agonizing fear more, with the same result.
Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 13:36 utc | 318

The crossfire in the assassination video is amazing. A real life circular firing squad.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 11 2022 14:07 utc | 320

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 13:36 utc | 318
You’re right. He had little chance once they went after him.
What’s the word on the street regarding where Zelensky is hiding ?
Seeing that Freeland, Trudeau and Kamala journeyed all the way to Poland hints that perhaps they were visiting him. Trudeau is a wanker looking to make himself look brave, so perhaps his trip was for PR needs. Freeland-Chomiak has more obvious pro-Ukraine reasons to be there. Kamala, who knows as this women is brainless, so I speculate it’s PR.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 11 2022 14:13 utc | 321

If that turns-out to be true then Russia has essentially won the war and what remains is consolidation – looking ahead a bit.
The sanctions can/will not be reversed. Russia is forced to adapt which will take a decade or two. In mean time, west will continue collapse. This will bring pain to China, as Chila is more reliant on west.
I would think that the big fear would be Russia gaining access to technology from China.

Posted by: jared | Mar 11 2022 14:14 utc | 322

Posted by: jared | Mar 11 2022 14:14 utc | 323
What technology?
$4000 fruit juice press?
10 year olds in China are building and programming SoC and systems for fun.
Yes they’re a bit behind on material and life sciences, which are the reasons for the lag in silicon and jet engines for example. Take a peek in the western research labs, it’s full of Chinese and Indians. The brain drain over the last 50 years is changing, fast.
Go on, more sanctions please.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 11 2022 14:24 utc | 323

Lol the west is entirely A-OK with banderastanis killing each other for whatever reason…

Posted by: Misotheist | Mar 11 2022 14:24 utc | 324

The 40-mile Russian convoy has been largely dispersed here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 11 2022 14:58 utc | 325

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 11 2022 14:24 utc | 324
At the moment West really holds lot of technology, be it ARM processors design, TSMC and Samsung factories, smart cards (bank cards with chips, SIM cards for mobile phones, etc).
It can be catched up, for example RISC-V initiative might offset ARM domination in few years. It is interesting, that “open source chip design” attempts were made years ago, time and again, but never got enough of participants to become self-sufficient. This time RISC-V seems (maybe only seems) to have backing from many participants afraid of western trade wars.
Russia reportedly gambled deciding just to ignore western patents. Basically, that is what USSR did for a while. It is a short-term great doping but with bad long-term effects. For example, if nor only West but other markets too (China, LAmerica, etc) would decide to ignore Russian goods made with use of Western ignored patents, then Russia is “walled” into autarky, which will slow down Russian development, just because having as few as 150M population. Meanwhile West – having huge global market – can afford much faster development and would break away.
…or that is what West did many times, against USSR, against China (opium war), against Japan (black sails), etc.
The other gamble is (after access to non-Western global markets) whether the West can keep developments on its own. Russia would be slowed, ok, but would West break away, or would West for internal degradation be slowed yet worse?
If Russia wins on both gambles, then this can be a boosted launch for her engineering.
If not – that would be a doping, short term boosting then badly exhausting.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 15:05 utc | 326

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 15:05 utc | 327
Meanwhile West – having huge global market – can afford much faster development and would break away.
Don’t forget, West is currently in “Reset Mode”, which means kill off as many people as possible. Cov-19 Operation is still running, lest people forget that side effects of those vaxx-shots have already made themselves very visible while other effects will evolve with time. West is not interested anymore in a huge market. 500 million is their desired (so it is rumored) population level. If the shots don’t get people then poverty/economic stress will.
Forcing Russia to make its move I suspect was synchronized with the desire to turn the attention away from the obvious agenda of the Cov-19 Operation and its effects on people. The head fake worked, most people see nothing strange in their neighbor at age 28 suddenly dying from a heart attack even though he was in excellent condition, or athletes suddenly dying on playing fields.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 11 2022 15:31 utc | 327

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 11 2022 15:05 utc | 327
Ignoring Western patents was how China caught up so quickly. China has always forced joint ventures on any foreign company that wanted to invest and build factories in China: 50% foreign company, 50% Chinese company. This way, the Chinese company gained knowledge and could use it as a starting point for its own production.
I remember reading in the SPIEGEL magazin back in the early 2000 that a Germany company that was forced in this kind of joint venture complained about the fact that the Chinese co-owner built its own factory close by and tried to copy anything that came from the German company. German companies endured this, because they wanted to gain access to the Chinese market and lower their own costs for producing goods that they could then sell back in Europe for a high margin.
In this way, the greed of Western companies is responsible that they fell behind Chinese companies pretty quickly. Western vcompanies would now simply collapse without Chinese production, the knowhow is now in Chinese hands.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 11 2022 15:36 utc | 328

@Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 11 2022 15:36 utc | 329
Call it what you like, it is the way of the world, we are but a blink in history.
If the Chinese had patents on silk, china, pasta and gun powder would the west have respected those?
We can argue till the cows come home but my point is sanctions only works when it’s a built against a minnow country. It will never yield anything good long term.
American rocketry? Would you have preferred if tech was gained that way?

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 11 2022 15:49 utc | 329

It should read:
We can argue till the cows come home but my point is sanctions only works when it’s a bully against a minnow country. It will never yield anything good long term.

Posted by: A.L. | Mar 11 2022 15:50 utc | 330

Are all international organizations co-opted or corrupted by Washington’s influence. International Olympic Committee, WHO are sounding pretty compromised these days as well. If I’m being naive – something I no longer thought possible – I guess I haven’t been watching closely enough.
Fascinating times to be living in.

Posted by: Macmuir | Mar 11 2022 15:55 utc | 331

waynorinorway @295–
Thanks for the reply, but it doesn’t quite top what G-man @280 noted, which all of us missed. I guess he gets to buy the bar a round!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 11 2022 16:08 utc | 332

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 11 2022 15:36 utc | 329
„In this way, the greed of Western companies is responsible that they fell behind Chinese companies pretty quickly. Western vcompanies would now simply collapse without Chinese production, the knowhow is now in Chinese hands.“
In my opinion you are wrong. Both can continue. In case the Chinese firm has cheaper production costs the only limitation for the German firm is that it cannot compete with said Chinese product on the same external market. – But this is not the whole truth. If we speak of machines made from metal the local skills, including the traditional know-how in working with metal, is very important. This kind of know-how one cannot get by copy. I remember one case where a German machine product was copied outside of Germany, based on a license and original constructions plans. Started well. But 2 years later on the market for second-hand machines there was a very big price difference between the original German machines and the externally copied ones.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 11 2022 16:11 utc | 333

American rocketry? Would you have preferred if tech was gained that way?
Posted by: A.L. | Mar 11 2022 15:49 utc | 330
I agree. US and USSR transferred Nazi knowhow for their own rocket engines after WW2. They used German engineers who built the V2 rockets on the back of slave labours coming from Eastern Europe. The US govt took as much Nazi knowhow as they could with Operation Paperclip. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 11 2022 16:16 utc | 334

Russia sending a message ?
I’d say hell YES.

In a likely ‘message’ and warning to NATO, Russia’s air force is attacking locations in the far west of Ukraine – some of them for the first time since the invasion began on Feb.24.
Ukraine’s government on Friday is saying that explosions rocked Lutsk, near the Polish border, as well as a military airfield at Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine, which was struck by multiple missiles. Fox News’ Lucas Tomlinson described it a “possible message to NATO” as calls from Western officials to impose a no-fly zone, including among hawks in Congress, grow louder.

Link

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 11 2022 16:20 utc | 335

Russia bombing close to Polish border.

In a likely ‘message’ and warning to NATO, Russia’s air force is attacking locations in the far west of Ukraine – some of them for the first time since the invasion began on Feb.24.
Ukraine’s government on Friday is saying that explosions rocked Lutsk, near the Polish border, as well as a military airfield at Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine, which was struck by multiple missiles. Fox News’ Lucas Tomlinson described it a “possible message to NATO” as calls from Western officials to impose a no-fly zone, including among hawks in Congress, grow louder.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 11 2022 16:23 utc | 336

The Empire of Lies
c/o Brandon
keeps saying that they don’t want to join the fight in Urk
as it will start WWIII.
But, it is The Empire of Lies.
Thus, every time I hear them repeat that
the more nervous I become.

Posted by: librul | Mar 11 2022 17:06 utc | 337

This is interesting reading BTL. The issue of the bio weapons find is indeed very very serious and we are now seeing the desperation of the USA/West having been caught out. Also interesting is the Facebook comments of the previous Cabinet official in the UK Government about these Labs and Yanukovitch not signing the agreements not long after which of course, the Maidan happened. All this when the USA dismissed Russia’s claim of these labs as ‘disinformation’ and lies and were then forced to admit their existence. I have always said that China’s reaction to the alleged ‘Covid’ outbreak was actually not one that a nation would take in response to a SARs virus as in the tiger economies, they are used to such viruses. I said, from the outset, that the action taken was more in keeping with a response to containing a bioweapon rather than a virus. Well, it looks like here’s the smoking gun as a group of Taiwanese and Japanese scientists apparently traced the ‘virus’ to a USA Lab (at the time their article was published in The Saker). Now these 2 countries are not know to be Chinaphiles. The USA and West are reeling from the discovery of these labs. No wonder WHO, Bill Gates and the WEF are confidently talking about the ‘next’ virus and new vaccines will be ready for them. They know what the Plan is but have been stopped in their tracks now. For the good of the world, its citizens and humanity, Putin must (and will I think) win this. I have an ever growing sense that he is saving the world if you like. TPTB and the WEF’s One Global Power is falling apart at the moment. I believe that’s why the response of the West has been so fierce.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Mar 11 2022 18:54 utc | 338

Telegram channel SIGNAL on the Mariupol maternity ward staged photo-op (in Russian):

SIGNAL has asked several military experts and a photographer to comment on footage from the hospital. Everyone agreed that the photos were staged. Here are the arguments:
1. No steam/smoke rising from the soil in places of alleged ammunition explosions.
2. There is no dust suspension on the street and in the building from the destruction of plasterboard walls and ceilings, as well as from the destroyed ventilated facade of the building (the inner lining of which is made of glass wool).
3. Absent in the photos are women with newborns, maternity hospital staff, emergency medical personnel and rescuers. Only representatives of Ukrainian Armed Forces and “photo models”.
4. There is a huge amount of broken glass in the corridors and premises of the institution. That is, the explosions were outside the building and the glass flew into the premises because of the shock wave. With such destruction, there would have been a huge number of injured with characteristic wounds: faces and hands cut by glass shards. In the photos, none of the (two!) “models” have such wounds. Everybody’s hands, without exception, are without any wounds or traces of blood. Neither there are injured or dead in the corridors and premises of the maternity hospital.
5. Faces, hair, outerwear and blankets of the “injured” are without traces of blood, dirt, dust or soot.
6. The poses of the models are static, there are no dynamics or rush in the photos, except for the photo with a stretcher.
7. Group shot + model with a blanket. On the left side of the frame there are representatives of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who are heating something in pots over a fire.
9. A close-up portrait of a masked girl. Same thing… no wounds, no dust, no dirt on the hair, face or hands. Fresh manicure on the nails. The mask is also obviously new, worn so that her face can’t be recognized.
10. Traces of gore on the faces are also strangely shaped. That is, it looks like small local bleeding when the person is lying and the blood has time to clot. There are no streaks across the entire face, like a vertically standing person would have. No blood drops on clothing. Besides, even when a person’s nose bleeds, he/she instinctively wipes it off. That is, if a person was injured, the victim would try at least once to wipe the blood or check if he/she was really injured.
11. File numbering and erased EXIF ​​data. All photos were taken with a professional camera, not smartphones. There is not a single photo from civil services or casual eyewitnesses.

Posted by: S | Mar 11 2022 19:19 utc | 339

I re-checked the hospital video and noticed some strange things. At 1:12 the footage slips past what looks like a small office where numerous n numerous boxes are stored. One of the boxes, stacked in the far right corner near the window, has a massive ‘UNICEF’ stamp on it. As the camera enters the room, in bottom left hand corner, a fleeting glimpse of a labelled box with several hand written words can be seen. I can’t read Ukranian, but one word written in pen seems to read ‘Ariev’. I looked up ‘Ariev’…Volodymyr Ariev??
Another anomaly appears at 1.03 when the camera enters what looks like a bathroom – a rubbish bin half full of paper, and a bucket of bloodied water. Starting to smell a rat.

Posted by: Annie | Mar 11 2022 19:57 utc | 340

I am reposting and translating a post from the Russian language “War on Fakes” Telegram channel. Check the original post for some 15 source links.
I tried to estimate the time the photos and videos were taken. I did not find any clues in the photos. (I need to find the original Exif data.) The video posted on Twitter by Zelensky on Twitter was taken around 5 pm based on the sun position.

Fake: Russian aircraft attacked a maternity hospital in Mariupol. President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky called it an “atrocity”: according to him, women and children were left under the rubble.
Truth : Despite the fact that the information about the impact appeared yesterday in the middle of the day (not a single patient was visible on numerous videos and photos), the footage of pregnant women appeared in the information space much later – on the evening of March 9th. However, they immediately flew around all news agencies and publics, began to spread in various popular communities and among bloggers, which may be the result of a planned campaign. And this despite the fact that the locals themselves claim that there were no women in labor or staff in the maternity hospital.
The story raises many questions: it is logical to assume that if there really were women in labor, the rescue workers and eyewitnesses who arrived at the scene first would immediately take a photo from the scene of the emergency on their phones, without waiting for a famous reportage photographer. However, it so happened that the well-known Ukrainian propagandist Evgeniy Maloletka was the first to prepare and publish the photographs . Having started his career at UNIAN, he is now collaborating with such media players who have been waging an anti-Russian campaign for years, such as the Guardian, The Times, The NYT. Even Barack Obama’s personal photographer is signed to him, and in 2015, Youngster even completed an internship at the prestigious Eddie Adams Workshop in New York. It is curious that this photographer has been talking about “Russian war crimes” since 2014.
Today, we have received indisputable confirmation of the production of “shots with pregnant women”, for which Ukrainian propagandists and their Polish media instructors, whom we wrote about earlier , are responsible . The Ukrainians used the model Marianna from Mariupol for the loudest shots (there are three in total). It is curious that she plays two different pregnant women at once: she even had to change clothes and repaint, which, however, is not surprising: in fact, Marianna is a well-known beauty blogger in the region. We would like to note that the girl is really pregnant, but she just couldn’t be in the maternity hospital: the institution has been used by the Azov militants for several days as a fortified facility that does not function as a medical facility. Slava has already found the heroine of this production: on her Instagram under the last post there are already more than 500 comments from real users condemning the girl for participating in dirty information stuffing.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 12 2022 1:12 utc | 341

I wonder what “laws of war” say about converting civilian structures into military. By itself it does not look like a criminal act. It should depend on to what extent you still present it as a civilian location , and to what extent you keep the civilians around.
Maybe it could be separated from the likely staged operation afterwards which parades wounded people and claims the hospital was in use.
It seems like a low budget operation which could have been thought up on the spur of the moment. Also maybe some remaining patients were actually not far away, did the military take over the whole hospital or only part of it?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 12 2022 21:35 utc | 342

also on the subject of false flag operations and staging, and variants thereof. I have seen several videos of ukranian military setting up their gear near very vulnerable places like kindergartens.
This is not necessarily with deliberate intent. Maybe some of them are simply looking for a place to put their stuff in an urban environment, they figure things out as they go along and it is very annoying if everyone keeps complaining about NIMBY, they already moved once before and now they will stay put and people should just shut up.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 12 2022 21:42 utc | 343

To add, in the above I try to avoid the trap of poor categorization: if you are sorting balls and only have a black box and a white box then all the balls will still be sorted in the boxes.
As for overall patterns that is different: take this intervie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh4ClXnv9w8 with Scott Ritter: there he describes the general strategy the Russians have been using *until now* of ‘going in soft’, at great cost of its own troops. This contrasts with Ukranian overall practices which are more dangerous to their own population

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 12 2022 22:15 utc | 344

And here is a source provided by Carmen Renieri : https://www.0629.com.ua/news/3218585/pocti-zakryli-v-mariupole-zenskaa-konsultacia-bolse-ne-prinimaet-pacientok
The hospital in the primorski district of Mariupol was running out of funds end september and no longer accepted new patients.
So is this the primorski district?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 13 2022 9:18 utc | 345