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March 11, 2022
Challenge-Response – How Russia Is Countering ‘Western’ Moves Against It

Challenge:

March 3: Zelensky says 16,000 foreigners have volunteered to fight for Ukraine against Russian invasion

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday said that 16,000 foreigners have volunteered to fight for Ukraine against the Russian invasion.

In an emotional video posted to his Telegram channel, Zelensky referred to the “international legion” of 16,000 foreign volunteers he has sought to “join the defense of Ukraine, Europe and the world.” The country earlier this week temporarily lifted visa requirements for foreign volunteers who wish to enter the country and join the fight against Russian forces.

March 8: 450 Arab and foreign extremists from Idlib arrive in Ukraine

Close to 450 extremist Arab and foreign nationals have arrived in Ukraine from Idlib to fight against Russia's forces, less than only three days after they left Syria, passing through Turkey.

Relatives of extremists that have arrived in Ukraine told Sputnik that senior fighters from terrorist group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (the rebranded version of Jabhat Al-Nusra, i.e Al-Qaeda) have held a number of meetings with senior leaders in the Turkistan Islamic Party group and Ansar Al-Tawhid and Hurras al-Din groups, and agreed on allowing a number of all their fighters to enter Ukraine through Turkish soil.

Response:

March 11: President of Russia: Meeting with permanent members of Security Council

Sergei Shoigu: We are receiving a huge number of requests from all manner of volunteers from different countries, who would like to come to the Lugansk and Donetsk people’s republics to take part in the liberation movement, as they say. The largest number of requests, over 16,000, has come from the Middle East. We believe that we should grant these requests, especially since the matter does not concern money but a genuine desire of these people. We know many of them; they helped us fight ISIS in the most difficult period, during the past 10 years.

Vladimir Putin: All right, thank you very much.

Regarding the mobilisation of mercenaries from all over the world and sending them to Ukraine. We can see that Ukraine’s Western sponsors and the Ukrainian regime are not concealing this fact. They are doing this openly and neglecting norms of international law. So, if you see that some volunteers would like to come and help the people in Donbass, especially without pay, then we should meet them halfway and help them relocate to the war zone.

I am sure that the fighters from Syria and elsewhere who will fight on Russia's side will get some pay from this or that sponsor, most likely Iran. Some Russian billionaire may also be willing to chip in. But it is important for Putin to show that these are not mercenaries like those on the other side – thus no official pay.

There was an additional challenge-response pair with regards to Ukraine.

Shoigu also mentioned all the foreign weapon deliveries the Ukraine has received. He told Putin that the Russian forces had captured large amounts of heavy and light weapons including U.S. derived Javelin and Stinger missiles. He proposed to give those to the militia of the Donbas republics.

Putin agreed with that.

A third challenge-response is the immense number of forces NATO currently mobilizes and moves towards its eastern border. Shoigu thinks that NATO plans for those troops to stay there forever. He will soon propose a new arrangement of Russian forces to potentially counter them.

Putin said that he would decide that separately. A few hours later he had a meeting with President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko. The two likely discussed the stationing of Russian troops and weapons like air defense and missile artillery systems in Belarus. That would make any potential NATO move more complicate.

In the above challenge-response pairs the Russian response is symmetric to the challenge. Foreign fighters versus foreign fighters, weapon deliveries versus weapon deliveries, and troops movements versus troop movements.

The challenges Russia has not yet responded too are the myriad sanctions the 'west' has enacted against it. There the responses can only be asymmetric.

I wonder why Putin is waiting to make them public. Does he want to keep them in reserve?

Comments

@Unnamed 318
yes you are right to make that distinction. western finance making money shorting the ruble is not the same thing.
the latter looms large in my mind because Russia cannot access its foreign reserves to defend its currency — such an unusual situation.

Posted by: mastameta | Mar 12 2022 15:51 utc | 401

The neocons, renegade trotskyites, are even more shallow. I doubt that Kagen or Nuland ever read Strauss, if they read books at all.”
One of the things that struck me watching Ms Nuland with Rubio is that she doesn’t seem that bright or articulate. Not quick on her feet mentally. So yeah. Why is she up there? Is she really the best we can do?
But clearly we stopped worrying about competence long ago.
What little of the Straussians I have l00ked into was not impressive, as writing or as thinking.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 12 2022 15:57 utc | 402

@377 Eighthman
Nice article, but one swallow does not summer make, especially when Zelensky keeps talking out of both sides of his mouth to curb Russia’s operational momentum in Ukraine, and refuses to face reality.
However, the obvious needs to be emphasized: Crimea’s Russian status, and the independence of Donbass are a fait accompli and irreversible facts on the ground, therefore, Ukraine’s neutrality is but a stone’s throw away from peace.
It’s all a question of the West accepting reality or embracing the nuclear option.
Why is it that no one believes that the majority of Israel’s settlements will be returned to Palestine in any peace deal?
Because the facts on the ground have become so irreversible; they have their own seat at the table. That’s why a one-state solution is realistically the only viable outcome.
It’s so futile to fight the inevitable.
Sooner or later; reality will prevail.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 12 2022 15:57 utc | 403

The CIA set up, funded, armed, and protected ISIS from the beginning
You think so ????? It was formed in Camp Bucha in Iraq where US Army stupidly put Jihadis together with Saddam’s officers in a prison and allowed them to produce a fusion grouping.
I am not sure it was planned but once the US had let Shias take over Iraq Saudi and its Sunni brethren wanted a re-balancing away from Iran towards the nice Sunni dictatorship Saddam had provided……..so the USA needed a Sunni terror group to counter the Shia crescent Rumsfeld created from Iran to Lebanon via Syria.
Since Sunnis are the real lunatics especially when infused with Wahhabism out of Saudi – and Saudi provided the fanatical clerics to make ISIS truly barbaric – no other Islamic state has generated anything as primitive and barbaric as Saudi Arabia – and Saudi owns CIA and Pentagoons……..
It was correcting the disastrous invasion and toppling Iraq that caused the birth of ISIS.
USA I so stupid it failed to understand the balance. – Saddam was a Sunni minority ruling Shia majority so ran a secular Baathist regime and promoted Christians………….
Assad is a minority Alawite running Sunnis in Syria as a secular Baathist promoting Christians.
USA aligned with Wahhabi Saudi Arabia to destroy any secular Arab state just as it destroyed Pakistan by letting Saudi fund Taliban – another Sunni Fundamentalist ideology grafted onto Pashtun primitivism
USA weaponises Extremism to destroy stability

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 12 2022 15:58 utc | 404

Seems to me, that the only thing saving the Ukraine at the moment, is the reserve the Russians are showing in their defensive war. Unlike the empire’s wars, which are total, Russia’s engagement with Ukraine is limited, so it’ll take more time.
Russia must stay committed, the new multi-polar alignment depends on it. Throwing off the empire’s shackles won’t happen overnight, nor be pretty, but, necessary.
Just my opinion..
P.S. Had the empire/NATO been receptive to Putin’s initial security requests, this war might not have happened. IMO, it’s all on the U$A/NATO’s snubbing of Putin’s request.

Posted by: vetinLA | Mar 12 2022 16:02 utc | 405

China Plans To Take Advantage Of The Big Oil Exodus From Russia
By Irina Slav
The exodus of Western companies from Russia in the wake of its invasion of Ukraine has left a business vacuum that China is very interested in filling.
Notably, China is interested in taking advantage of the oil, gas, and metals projects that have been left behind by various companies boycotting Russia.
It seems that sanctions and boycotts on Russia may have the unintended consequence of strengthening China’s efforts to internationalize the yuan.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/China-Plans-To-Take-Advantage-Of-The-Big-Oil-Exodus-From-Russia.html
The consequence is certainly unintended, but not difficult to foresee, is it?
What kind of idiots are ruling in the West?

Posted by: mk | Mar 12 2022 16:23 utc | 406

@ Eighthman 383
a well thought out, moderate response on ending the war on National Interest. . .”Zelenskyy has suggested that Ukraine might be willing to agree to full military neutrality and negotiate a compromise with Russia . . .”
Actually Zerensky lacks authority to do anything as he is a pawn of the neo-Nazis locally and the US broadly. Russia is working on the first and then it would be Ze vs. US, still uneven but possible if the US throws in the towel.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 12 2022 16:30 utc | 407

Holy Cow ! I am shocked to read a well thought out, moderate response on ending the war on National Interest ! Is reason about to make a comeback?
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 12 2022 14:58 utc | 377
it is a peculiar situation in the US that the only voice resembling an anti war position today comes, not from the self proclaimed left, but from among nationalists and conservatives. I touched on this earlier when I said the problem with liberals is they are not nationalists.they do not think of their homeland but only of a vague ‘humanity’.
nationalists understand that war is paid for in blood and sweat — in mortal sacrifice and the taxes extracted from them — and rightfully ask how it is justified. it is the blood and sweat of their homeland instead of the abstraction of ‘humanitarian’ reasons with which liberals justify their military interventions.
in the global south, we expect anti colonial resistance to come from nationalists. to my surprise, in the empire itself, the anti imperialist voice also comes from nationalists. one might characterize this as just a permutation of American isolationism, and in that sense it’s nothing new, but in such times I think isolationism is the best and most realistic preparation for what’s in store: the fitful process in which America relinquishes its exceptionalism and hegemony.

Posted by: mastameta | Mar 12 2022 16:34 utc | 408

“Zelensky says 16,000 foreigners have volunteered to fight for Ukraine against Russian invasion”
A significant proportion will be takfiris from Idlib. Erdogan would just love to have them transferred somewhere to be eliminated by the Russians. It removes a local headache for him. As for Europe, real takfiris in your midst is a price worth paying … for something.

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Mar 12 2022 16:52 utc | 409

seer 281; I’ve heard this from the Saudis using their Al Qaeda affiliates to purge Saudi Arabia of dissent. I’ve been saying for days, the “calling all Nazi’s and terrorists!” is a great way to “Mow the Lawn” as the Israelis say. Let it fester, dead mercenaries, particularly ideological ones are dangerous; let em get chewed up in the meat-grinder; fewer secrets get out that way. I don’t think Putin really minds if a few more Azov, a few more fellow travelers get ground up; we know NATO leaders don’t care; and are threatened by those forces. (course many may be sympathetic to Russia thanks to Trump and DNC/Hillary’s Russiagate. I’m surprised the GOP hasn’t dug and scratched more; but we’re of course not gonna get much real light, but a narrow focus on Hunter; while even other DNC children are overlooked. Like Benghazi which should have exposed the weapons and terrorists smuggling, was used in the narrowest, most politically opportunistic degree, without any light or attempt to wrangle with the serious implications of CIA meddling; it’s corruption of our State Dept and the like. We here end up sifting through the crap to find the flecks into the deep state’s machinations. Once again, “nothing is revealed”

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 12 2022 17:00 utc | 410

most cryptic post on this thread???
dersu-uzala | Mar 12 2022 11:20 utc | 335…
to the poster who used dersu uzalas name…. i have seen the movie.. it is a fantastic film by the japanese film maker – kurosawa…. highly recommended!
but, i think you really lost people by being as opaque as you possibly could in your posts!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersu_Uzala
for anyone who has the time – an excellent movie i highly recommend..
@ juliania… thanks so much for sharing your wisdom and insights at moa… it is very much appreciated!!

Posted by: james | Mar 12 2022 17:05 utc | 411

Poland will to some extent be position of giving refuge to people supportive of Nazi-ism. I wonder if that causes concern.

Posted by: jared | Mar 12 2022 17:07 utc | 412

If a larger war does not happen, i Believe France is positioning herself to be top dog in a diminished Europe. Macron put a lot of effort in to keeping talks going with Russia, at in one of there talks before the Russian incursion, Putin and Macron talked about Russia assisting in renovating France;s nuke plants… this coupled with France keeping many of their businesses in Russia, while others have pulled out, puts them on better terms with Russia and better emery position than Germany.

Posted by: do | Mar 12 2022 17:08 utc | 413

@ do… thanks for sharing that perspective.. it sounds positive…

Posted by: james | Mar 12 2022 17:18 utc | 414

I fully expect Germans to pay far more for their energy once this occurs.
“German Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck says his nation’s heavy dependence on Russia’s energy supplies will be eliminated by the end of the current year.
The country will achieve independence from Russian coal by autumn, according to Habeck, who also serves as the country’s economy and climate minister. The top official added that Germany’s reliance on Russian crude is expected to be almost eradicated.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 12 2022 17:20 utc | 415

Posted by: Dadda | Mar 12 2022 4:15 utc | 269
Thanks for the reply and the information on the Wake brothers from Katanning which from memory is in the wheat belt.
Your story demonstrates the need for affordable patents. There is always someone or some company ready to steal a good idea and there is always a hidebound government who are incapable of seeing a good idea when it is operating in front of them.
I have invented something special but I am keeping it to myself because I am sick of being ripped off by others.

Posted by: Paul | Mar 12 2022 18:25 utc | 416

pretzelattack | Mar 12 2022 12:24 utc | (350)

does anybody know how Charles DeGaulle is currently regarded in France? cause damn he was right to withdraw from NATO, right about the privilege of the US dollar, and right about opposing the US in Vietnam.

Oublié, méprisé, dénigré.
Frères humains qui après nous vivez,
n’ayez les coeurs contre nous endurcis,
car, si vous avez pitié des pauvres de nous,
Le Grand Charles en aura d’autant plus pitié de vous.
Merde !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 12 2022 18:57 utc | 417

Oublié !
I mean ‘forgotten’ in the sense of being thrown away, “oublietté” but thzt was clumsy I thought, although maybe it would have been clearer.
Oh well . . .

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 12 2022 19:06 utc | 418

michaelj72 @305 and all concerned barflies–
The Archive and its Way Back Machine are the best you’re likely to find, and you can use their machine to archive things they haven’t yet. Click the link and see for yourself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2022 19:44 utc | 419

aquadraht @400–
Thanks for your input on that topic. I read Bloom’s The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today’s Students when I was in college in 1997 and found some of his points valid. I’ve found Spengler to be all over the place, so I don’t read him very often. I do think the hypothesis that Putin directed his words at a segment of those behind the scenes has merit, and Xi and Putin have explicitly spoken about the global dysfunction they cause and vowed to abolish.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2022 19:57 utc | 420

@juliania | Mar 12 2022 4:52 utc | 276
We also need more of Sergei Shoigu and Valeri Gerasimov

Posted by: cirsium | Mar 12 2022 20:23 utc | 421

Dersu Uzala versu Dersu the Trapper
This was a real person, a member of the Gold’ people, that was an acquaintance of Arseniev. The action takes place in the Amur region. Besides Russians there are also Chinese and Koreans in the account.
In Kurasawa’s interpretation of the book, he chooses the animist-spiritualist theme. It is a beautiful film, but I am sure that Dersu himself would have laughed at it.
The real Dersu was remarkable for his “woods smarts”, a kind of intelligence that allowed him to survive as a solitary hunter (of tigers!) in the thick forest, while avoiding all the human dangers around him. This is a remarkable intelligence that has disappeared from the human race to be replaced by mechanical group-think. He relied on his wits as well as his full array of senses. He was dead shortly after his eyesight started fading.

Posted by: Platero | Mar 12 2022 20:44 utc | 422

Posted by: K | Mar 12 2022 6:27 utc | 290
Thank you, K: words of wisdom! I’m one of those old fogies born at the beginning of WW2, and my childhood memories before the age of six were no media at all save for plaintive antiYwar songs (mostly Scottish) on my grandmother’s giant freestanding radio, Aunt Daisy at my uncles’ sheep and dairy farms — that was it. They say your memory of early childhood grows sharper as the years pile up. Mine were always sharp as they were such a contrast to what came later. You store such memories inside; such a different time. I think Putin has memories like that, although he is quite a bit younger.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 12 2022 20:47 utc | 423

Posted by: do | Mar 12 2022 17:08 utc | 413
Yes France is interesting. It may seem small bikkies to many in the USA, but the Anglos really, really, really upset France with the AUKUS deal and the submarines cancellation. It was very insulting to France and very costly too.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 12 2022 21:00 utc | 424

(Characteristically, the propaganda is far more virulent within the US poodles of Europe and Canada than within the US itself.)
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 12 2022 9:35 utc | 308
It is extremely virulent in New Zealand. I’d say even more so than here in the US. That would be why NZ has gone from being an outlier to being an outcast in Putin’s book. I would suspect, the media being in cahoots with big corp and the outed party, all systems are go for propaganda bigtime down there. They may at present be even more stuck in the tar than Australia, from the sounds of things posters here are saying.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 12 2022 21:07 utc | 425

So Russia now claims it will impede weapons supply.
How will that supply pass – by roads from what country. Will they have to confuse that with humanitarian traffic inbound/outbound. And similarly how do volunteers enter – are the roadways unchecked?

Posted by: jared | Mar 12 2022 21:23 utc | 426

“And similarly how do volunteers enter”
Across the Romanian border, after passing through the Nato countries Bulgaria and Turkey.

Posted by: Platero | Mar 12 2022 21:39 utc | 427

It is also a very nice trolling of NATO.
1) Donetsk? Boy, we are going to have to arm them to the teeth once this is over. Gonna cost. Gonna cost big.
2) Nah, actually, it isn’t. NATO is going to supply all the weapons for free. We’ll just be the delivery boy.
Thanks, Jens, Anthony, Joe.
Who knew bankers and lawyers could be so generous?
And they are working pro-bono? Man, that is sweeeeeet.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 13 2022 2:25 utc | 428

@100 Orah, pretty sure the operation isn’t going to end until every soldier in the Azov Battalion is lying dead in a Mariupol ditch.
After all, “de-nazification” is going to be a whole lot easier if the nazi “muscle” is gone.
Might not even need any more effort from the Russians: there must be a lot of Ukrainians with scores to settle with the nazi’s, and they’ll still have their power base while the nazis, well, the nazis not so much: their power base with be lying in unmarked graves.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 13 2022 2:30 utc | 429

My thought is War Kabuki. Something went awry when Clinton failed as capstone and Trump was slotted in. The people making the most money from Russia and China blamed Russia for selecting Trump. Then out of China comes non-existent Covid-19. Then a massive shift to totalitarianism with lockdowns, masking, quarantines, vaccination globally. Now sufficient evidence exists for a criminal conspiracy to make profits by injecting experimental biological warfare weapons under color of fraud.
Russia is geo-politicially the convenient whipping boy. This plays well with Western and Westernizing audiences. The Russian restructuring of at least the Eastern Ukraine goes forward for Kremlin interests and the WEF. This does not play well with Western audiences.

Posted by: Stegiel | Mar 13 2022 21:21 utc | 430

I think the enthusiasm for volunteering to fight for Ukraine when those volunteers learn that they’ll be on the receiving end of air strike rather than the ones calling them in. There’s no medivac taking them to a nice clean hospital in Germany if the get wounded. They’ll be living off the land competing with civilians for food. I doubt even among experience SOF they’ve never experienced conditions they will fighting the Russians in Ukraine.

Posted by: grumpygus | Mar 14 2022 16:35 utc | 431