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March 21, 2022
Bits Of Interest From The War In Ukraine

Below are various bits of interest from the war in Ukraine.

  • Zelensky says 'western' leaders said no to Ukrainian NATO membership, but rejected to do so publicly.
  • U.S. supported 'activist' commits publicly to war crimes.
  • CNN promotes leader of neo-Nazi Azov Battalion.
  • Arch Zionists are pissed off by Zelensky's holocaust revisionism.
  • Destroyed Kiev shopping mall was used as weapon and ammunition depot.
  • Despite a hopeless situation the government in Kiev rejects to end war in Mariupol.
  • Unconfirmed: Zelensky rejects Ukrainian military request for retreat from the Donbas front.

In two draft treaties, which Russia had sent to the U.S. and EU in December, it demanded written declarations that the Ukraine would never join NATO. The U.S. and the EU publicly rejected that demand. It was a major reason for Russia to start its intervention.

Consider the above in light of this interview Zelensky gave yesterday to CNN. He said:

I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five. Just say it directly and clearly or just say no, and the response was very clear, you are not going to be a NATO or E.U. member, but publicly the doors will remain open.

The cowards just didn't want to say it publicly, even as it could have avoided a war.

White Swan @SDyorin – 10:32 UTC · Mar 21, 2022

Head of #Ukrainian "1st volunteer mobile hospital" operating in #Donbass, political activist Gennady Druzenko claimed on '#Ukraine 24' channel that he 'ordered to 𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒆 captive #Russian soldiers, because they are cockroaches, not humans'. #neonazis – Video

Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 – 9:21 UTC · Mar 20, 2022

Druzenko is closely tied to the US government. He's had stints at USAID/Chemonics and the Wilson Center. – Image

Mark Ames @MarkAmesExiled – 12:47 UTC · Mar 21, 2022

Incredible. neo-Nazi Azov promoting Azov Regiment commander Denis Prokopenko’s appearance on @CNN. Everything is upside-down. – Video

Oleksiy Kuzmenko @kooleksiy – 21:24 UTC · Mar 18, 2020

Azov Regiment never de-politicized. The current commander Denys "Redis" Prokopenko, has been with Azov since 2014, came, per "Redis" himself, from the milieu of Dynamo Kyiv soccer hooligans. The photos are from a 2014 rally. The cover is of Azov's own zine "The Black Sun". – Images

Israeli lawmakers tear into Zelensky for Holocaust comparisons in Knesset speechTimes of Israel

Caroline Glick @CarolineGlick – 15:37 UTC · Mar 20, 2022

Zelensky's claim that the Ukrainians were righteous gentiles who saved Jews in the Holocaust is sick historical revisionism. The Ukrainians were active, enthusiastic Nazis. Ukrainian Jewry wasn't annihilated in Poland, but in Ukraine, by their neighbors

Large explosion partially destroys Kyiv shopping mall, killing at least 8, officials sayWashington Post

> Early Monday, photographers documented several bodies laid outside an entrance to the mall. A Washington Post reporter who visited the site after the bodies were removed saw puddles of blood and olive green blood-soaked jackets on the ground. Abandoned surgical gloves were scattered about — apparently left over from medics who tried to save the victims. <

Aladin @aldin_ww – 9:41 UTC · Mar 21, 2022

Now that all is done and there is more light on that situation I will say that strike on Retroville Mall in Kyiv was not just a strike on a shopping mall.

New images have been posted online showing military vehicles parked at the shopping mall. – Image

I don't like to do this stuff, I have promised to be as objective as possible and there it is.

Harry Boone @Harry_Boone – 11:54 UTC · Mar 21, 2022

looks like "Retroville" shopping center was used as military storage – Image

Secondary explosion after Russian missile strike on Kyiv's "Retroville" shopping center
… Ammo storage ? – Video

Yuri Lyamin @imp_navigator – 14:45 UTC · 21 Mar 2022

Fottages from Russian recc UAV (looks like Orlan-10) that tracked postion of the Ukrainian "Grad" MLRS that covered in parking of the Retroville Mall in Kiev. After that, a missile strike was carried out, that was also filmed from recc UAV. – Video

Bill Roggio @billroggio – 11:53 UTC · Mar 21, 2022

1) This map, from @BBC, dated March 20, shows the situation in Mariupol. Ukrainian forces, led by the Azov Battalion, are bottled up in an area approximately 6 square miles. There is no relief. – Map

2) A Russian general called for Ukrainian troops to surrender.
"There can be no question of any surrender, laying down of arms" in the city, Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk responded.
Reuters: Ukraine defies Russian demand to lay down arms in Mariupol

3) The neo-Nazi Azov Battalion is unlikely to lay down its arms, so the fight for Mariupol will only get bloodier.

Gleb Bazov @gbazov – 12:34 UTC · Mar 21, 2022

Command of #UA Joint Forces Operation in #Donbass has urgently requested a full-scale withdrawal from around #Donetsk to escape a forming cauldron. JFO command has asked to retreat from positions at #Kurakhovo, #Dachnoye, #Avdeedvka. 1/4 – Map

#Russia|n forces have already reached the rear of #Ukrainian forces in this area, west of #Donetsk. The complete elimination of #UA units here is a matter of several days according to #JFO command. 2/4 – Map

According to #UA #JFO command, withdrawal from these positions could enable #Ukraine|ian troops to salvage the desperate situation and continue defensive operations in the area of #Dzerzhinsk and #Kramatorsk. 3/4

#Zelensky is refusing to allow the retreat for fear that it would be used by #Russia as a weapon in the information war against #Ukraine, as it would mean deblockading #Donetsk and abandoning defensive fortifications. 4/4

Comments

Article linking historic Outlaw US Empire illegalities with bioweapons and the Ukraine labs contains some references I’ve yet to see that I’m sure other barflies interested in this topic will want to read. For example, Factories of Death: Japanese Biological Warfare, 1932-1945, and the American Cover-up, by Sheldon H. Harris is one that was published in 1994 and updated according to this blurb in 2002. We learn of another paper from this excerpt that if followed to its sources reveals much more:
“However, the US played an equally key role in concealing information about biological warfare experiments by Japan and secured immunity from prosecution for the perpetrators. Along with the data from Unit 731 and experiments inside Fort Detrick, Howard Brody, director at the Institute for the Medical Humanities, University of Texas Medical Branch, shared in an article released in 2014 details of the shady deal, titled United States Responses to Japanese Wartime Inhuman Experimentation after World War II: National Security and Wartime Exigency.”
A search for that paper brings up this URL as the first hit, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24534743/ Note the publisher. From there you can dig deeper, and the search gives other promising leads. Lots of crimes are associated with all that detailing the Fascist road the Outlaw US Empire took even before WW2 ended and continues along today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 16:38 utc | 301

Russia needs to eliminate these the minute they hit Ukraine, unless the Polish feel brave enough to fire them from Poland, on the subject, I wouldn’t put it past the US, via proxy forces to fire them from Poland to drag it into the war.
“The US is planning to deliver to Ukraine medium anti-aircraft systems taken from its own stockpile of Soviet military hardware, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, citing unnamed US officials.
The anti-aircraft systems were obtained through a clandestine program to study them and teach American troops how to counter them. Ukrainian forces are trained in the use of these systems, which they have operated for decades.
At least some of the supplies will be withdrawn from the Redstone Arsenal in Alabama, officials told the newspaper, adding that C-17 Globemaster cargo planes recently flew to a nearby airfield in Huntsville.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 22 2022 16:39 utc | 302

James (298).
Okay I get it.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 22 2022 16:40 utc | 303

The Nazi’s dish out their own kind of punishment to the Roma people in Ukraine who were so hungry they stole some food. To see the photos I need to publish the RT link.
https://www.rt.com/news/552452-ukraine-lviv-gypsies-persecution/
“Photos of people in Ukraine being tied to lamp posts and sprayed with green antiseptic dye appeared on social media on Monday. According to reports, they were taken in the western city of Lviv. The victims are reportedly Roma (also known as Gypsies).
Several people, including teenagers and families with women and children, were reportedly tied to lamp posts with duct tape, their faces sprayed with antiseptic dye known as ‘zelyonka’ in former Soviet countries. The green-colored substance is very difficult to wash away and can cause chemical burns to the eyes.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 22 2022 16:44 utc | 304

Canada must help Europe reduce its Russian oil dependence, says ultra-Anglo insider and former deputy PM, John Manley
http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/canada-has-an-obligation-help-europe-reduce-its-russian-oil-dependence-former-deputy-prime-minister~2396581
CP Rail’s gone back to work. The Teamsters have come to an agreement with the corporation.
http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/workers-back-on-the-job-at-noon-after-cp-rail-union-agree-to-final-arbitration-1.1741054
Some of the nitty-gritty of the new Trudeau Liberal – Singh NDP agreement (Team Trudeau through ‘til 2025)
http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-liberal-ndp-support-plan-1.1741223
Outspoken would-be Conservative party leader, MP Pierre Poilievre calls it a “socialist coalition power pact”
https://youtu.be/CpihBr1_OtQ

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 22 2022 16:45 utc | 305

gipsies in Lvov city
https://t.me/a_vyshinskiy/3778
“No nazism in Ukraine”

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 22 2022 16:49 utc | 306

Canada has so many monuments to the Nazis, that when one was graffitied it was classed as a hate crime.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/canada-nazi-monuments-antisemitism/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 22 2022 16:49 utc | 307

The EU and its allies have set up a task force to hunt down Russian assets and seize them.
“EU sanctions against Russia over its conflict with Ukraine have targeted more than 500 Russian individuals or entities, whose assets and financial resources are subject to seizures as EU countries locate them and trace them to their owners. The EU, together with its allies the US, Canada, Japan, Australia, and the UK, established a task force specifically for that purpose.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 22 2022 17:02 utc | 308

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 16:38 utc | 301
Jinx has already made the link:
https://twitter.com/crackconnoisser/status/1503172436354867203

Posted by: WJ | Mar 22 2022 17:02 utc | 309

Calgary Guy@294
Yves Engler is very good. So are these guys https://www.thecanadafiles.com/home. And, of course The New Cold War https://newcoldwar.org/
You probably know them but no hard done by posting the links.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2022 17:04 utc | 310

Lavrov again reviews the contemporary history of the current conflict and adds bits not previously detailed. An example:
“To my great regret and shame, President Zelensky has been asking how he could be a Nazi if he has Jewish roots. He said this on the exact day when Ukraine demonstratively withdrew from the Agreement on Perpetuating the Memory of the Courage and Heroism of the Peoples of the CIS Countries During the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. When he personally patronises the tendencies I have mentioned, it is difficult to take the policy of the Ukrainian leadership seriously. Just as in the early stages of his presidency, and even earlier, when he was a stage and soap opera star, he assured me in every possible way that it was unthinkable for him that the Russian language could be infringed upon. So here we are: life demonstrates what a person’s word is worth.” [My Emphasis]
The talk is being given to a select group of older students, finalists of the International Track as part of the Leaders of Russia management competition, who ask very good questions which I hope barflies will read along with Lavrov’s answers. I’ll leave you with one final excerpt:
“This [conflict] was not our choice. We saw how the West’s attitude was communicating one simple truth – if you were a Russophobe; if you were set on eradicating Katsaps and Moskals (a quote from statements made by Ukrainian politicians); if you were to say that anyone who considers themselves Russian and is a citizen of Ukraine should get out for the sake of their future and their children, (as President Vladimir Zelensky said in September 2021); if you obediently fulfill Western bidding so as to constantly irritate, unnerve and unbalance Russia, then you have the universal green light to do anything.
“The unprecedentedly hysterical reaction in the West to our military operation, the way they are encouraging and indulging everything anti-Russia and anti-Russian is sad news indeed. I regularly read about the ill treatment that Russian people face in other countries, including citizens of those countries who are of Russian origin. It appears anyone can demand that these people be persecuted in the West now, even on social media. I cannot wrap my mind around this.
“But this all proves one thing: the anti-Russia project has failed. President Vladimir Putin has listed the goals of the operation, and the first on the list is to ensure the safety of people in Donbass, and the second one, to eliminate the growing threats to the Russian Federation from the militarisation and Nazification of Ukraine. When they realised that our policy line had helped to thwart their plans, they literally went ballistic.” [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 17:11 utc | 311

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2022 17:04 utc | 310
Thanks for the link, I didn’t know those.

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 22 2022 17:20 utc | 312

WJ @309–
Thanks for your reply. It’s one thing to produce a sound-bite type video that introduces the topic and extensively knowing the topic and its connections to the conduct of government, or criminally gross misconduct in this case, while also learning that this wasn’t just one isolated case but policy or as Chomsky wrote, “For Reasons of State,” that aren’t supposed to be questioned, which is Fascist ideology. I’m rather surprised Twitter allowed that video to live.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 17:22 utc | 313

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2022 22:58 utc | 106, and related posts
After much thought I decided to comment on the Crooke article and its presentation and recepiton here:
1) It is a basic requirement of understanding anything to have curitosity about it and to acquire knowledge about it. Hence, to understand Russia, or the US, or any human group, you need to KNOW about it. There is generally ZERO curiosity, interest and knwoledge in the West about Russia.
2) That also enables distorted or questionable presentations of Russia and the Russian people by those who have more knowledge and are interested.Simply because they themselves don’t know enough or don’t understand enough.
3) I would be very careful in accepting any claims about how the “Russian people” or the majority “of Russians” see this war. We don’t know. The polls are some indication, by no means realiable or truly representative.
4) Presenting the majority Russian sentiment as being of a “holy war”, or a final war for the defence of the Orthodox world, religion and way of life, is exactly the same as the US propaganda that the “Muslims/terrorist” are after us because they don’t like our way of life. That, of course, has nothing to do with the real forces, interests, goals and ideologies driving wars. The easiest way to deflect from the real interests and goals is to cloak a war in religious or racial language. Never fails.
5) Both N. Mikhalkov, a good film director, and the Serbian writer Vladušić, quoted by Crooke, are conservatives, traditionalists and nationalists in the standard meaning of those terms. The quotes are totally typical of such a world view. I can say with certainty, because I checked, that Vladušić has no understanding of his own country’s most recent bloody history, nor has he any intention of getting to know it. No credible basis is presented by Crooke that Mikhalkov and Vladušić are in fact representative of the views of the majority of Russian or Serbs.
6) By quoting them Crooke is actually saying that the majority of Russians and Serbs are conservative, religous tradisionalists thinking of the contemporary world as a place where holy wars are waged to protect “our way of life”. So, they are not capable of critical analysis and understanding of the world we all share! They do not think like “us”, meaning they don’t have the capacity to penetrate the deeper processes and see their countries and the world realistically.
Beware of such an attitude. I reject it because it is misleading and condescending.

Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2022 17:24 utc | 314

Ritter…
“An unpopular take: when the dust settles, Russia will be found to have conducted a military campaign where assiduous compliance with the law of war was the norm. Ukraine, on the other hand, will be the subject of numerous war crimes investigations.”
Bhadrakumar linked this article in his twitter acc.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1256525.shtml

Since the Trump administration, China has been under great strategic pressure of the US. The Chinese people had not anticipated that Russia, which was pushed to a strategic corner by NATO’s eastward expansion, decided to no longer hold back its temper and completely turn the European geopolitics around. The move unexpectedly took away a large part of US strategic pressure toward China. For quite some time in the future, the confrontation between Russia and the US will be fierce. China has been at the forefront of confrontation against US hegemony since the trade war. But now, Russia stands at the forefront. This is a time for China to accumulate its strength. For the moment, China and Russia are taking turns in bearing the heaviest weight in terms of resisting US hegemony. This is a completely different geopolitical situation than when China was confronting the US alone.

………………
Martyanov’s most recent talking head video compared Hitler in his bunker to current western/anglo mindset. To me the anglo elite will fight to the last for anglo world dominance.
No soft landing for the so called west. Russian 90’s is perhaps the best we can hope for.
Few seem to understand the amount of control the US propaganda machine has over western media.
It is going to be a messed up ‘west’ when yank ‘full spectrum dominance’ collapses in the face of Russian weapons systems and Chinese economy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 22 2022 17:31 utc | 315

Looks like this Hunter Biden laptop sorry is about to blow up. Apparently he has home made child porn on it. I dont think MSM will be able to shut this down. Something huge is brewing that will make last month look like a boring few weeks.
Also lots of Ukraine related stuff on that laptop. Smoking guns on the corruption.

Posted by: comandante | Mar 22 2022 17:32 utc | 316

50 shades of yellow-blau
https://t.me/swodki/48228
slightly NSFW
“Ukraine is Europe”
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twitter info-wars….
https://t.me/vityzeva81/718870
“Russian soldiers get frostbites because of bad wintergear.
Winter, in Ukraine, in 2nd half of March… idiots.

US ambassador McFaul: Russia should continue supplyign oil and gas to democratic coutnries, but democratics countries should pospone paying until Russia stops the war.
Good plan, creative…

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 22 2022 17:32 utc | 317

@310 No Harm!!!

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2022 17:52 utc | 318

“No soft landing for the so called west. Russian 90’s is perhaps the best we can hope for.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 22 2022 17:31 utc | 315
One the one hand I’m overjoyed to see the US Empire taken down. On the other, not looking forward to what it means for my ‘retirement’ years. I can already hear the Neoliberals quoting Scrooge at us all as the dollar goes belly-up: ‘Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses? All the better to decrease the surplus population!’
Continuing from 315:
“Few seem to understand the amount of control the US propaganda machine has over western media. It is going to be a messed up ‘west’ when yank ‘full spectrum dominance’ collapses in the face of Russian weapons systems and Chinese economy.”
The world will be treated to history’s most powerful propaganda machine going full crybaby at its foiled plans and lost [exorbitant] privilege.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Mar 22 2022 18:01 utc | 319

There is generally ZERO curiosity, interest and knowledge in the West about Russia.
. . .which is odd (but probably true)
..from PewResearch
“From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century
. . .In 1910, Germany was the top country of birth among U.S. immigrants, accounting for 19% of all immigrants (or 2.5 million) in the United States. Germans made up the biggest immigrant group in 18 states and the District of Columbia, while Mexico accounted for the most immigrants in just three states (Arizona, New Mexico and Texas). After Germany, the largest share of immigrants in the U.S. came from Russia and the countries that would become the USSR (11%, or 1.5 million).” . .here
. . .and it gets complicated, people being people
. . .from Kansas Historical Society
“ONE HUNDRED years ago several thousand German-speaking people from Russia settled on lands in Kansas and left a considerable impact upon the history of the state.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 18:02 utc | 320

US ambassador McFaul: Russia should continue supplyign oil and gas to democratic coutnries, but democratics countries should pospone paying until Russia stops the war.
Good plan, creative…
Posted by: Arioch | Mar 22 2022 17:32 utc | 31
It’s embarassing to watch. The sort of thing one used to amuse oneself watching Russians doing 20-30 years ago, if one was liked that sort of amusement. They have no self-respect at all. It is one thing for some abused prisoner to grovel like that, but a so-called diplomat, a statesman? A shoe salesman playing at international affairs.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 22 2022 18:08 utc | 321

The EU, under High Representative Josep Borrell, is feeling its oats at a time when NATO is ineffective. Now we have the “EU Strategic Compass” . .”In order to be able to act rapidly and robustly whenever a crisis erupts, with partners if possible and alone when necessary, the EU will: . . .- establish a strong EU Rapid Deployment Capacity of up to 5000 troops for different types of crises. . “. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 18:16 utc | 322

There were a couple of interesting items from the Duran yesterday I hadn’t seen elsewhere, in a long discussion between Alex Christoforou, Alexander Mercouris, and Gonzalo Lira. [My apologies if already covered here: way, way too many comments to plow through looking for them.]:
At one point Mercouris mentioned he’d heard, from several reliable Russian sources he trusted, that a striking force was being built up in the southwestern extremity of Belarus’, across the frontier from the Ukraine. He said if necessary if could used to separate Lvov (Lviv, Lwow, Lemberg) from the Polish frontier — giving no particulars otherwise. This seems congruent with Mr. Lavrov’s mention, in a long address translated in the Saker today, that the Poles are making plans to intervene military in the Ukraine if it seemed opportune (Lavrov suggested to re-acquire the western Ukraine de facto). The striking force in Belarus (Russian presumably) could then be used to prevent a Polish intervention, or to contain one if necessary.
At another point in the conversation. Lira mentioned that the center of Kharkov, where he lives, was almost depopulated, he estimated 90%, whereas previously it was heavily populated, like most European cities. He said the same was true in Kiev when he was stuck there at the beginning of the war, before he could get back to Kharkov. The Mayor, Vasilii Klitscho, had said 50% of the people had left; but based on what Lira saw, and heard afterward from friends there, Kiev was more like 75% empty. [If nothing else, these cities should be easier for the Russians to take, if they won’t ultimately surrender.}

Posted by: Seward | Mar 22 2022 18:19 utc | 323

JB @314–
Thanks for your reply. Crooke also cites the Liberal sociologist Dr Mariya Matskevich who is the one that provided the ““a holy struggle” and “a war of Russia with the entire rest of the world” quotes Crooke employs, and the publication her articles are published in is not Pro-Putin but Anti-Putin, and her remarks are not meant to be complementary, although they’re rather revealing.
Historically, Russia is a Conservative nation, which was one aspect of Russia Lenin abhorred that Crooke mentions in the podcast version of the essay. If you’re curious, I highly suggest Diesen’s Russian Conservatism: Managing Change under Permanent Revolution, which you can freely preview at the link, or read a chapter-by-chapter synopsis here. The book jacket blub at the first link is instructive:
“Russian conservatism is making a forceful return after a century of experimenting with socialism and liberalism. Conservatism is about managing change by ensuring that modernization evolves organically by building on the past. Conservatism has a natural attraction for Russia as its thousand-year long history is largely characterized by revolutionary change – the destructive process of uprooting the past to give way to modernity.” [My Emphasis]
The bolded portion is the key facet in the Putin Doctrine, described by its originator as “creative destruction.” Putin, more than any politician in my lifetime, has communicated with his polity to explain in minute detail what is being done and why, the historic March 16th speech being the most recent detailed communication followed by his short speech in Crimea. And in a similar manner, if you want insight, you must also follow Lavrov, particularly when he speaks to student organizations like the one I linked to above. The questions asked and answers given are very informative. It also helps to read Russian language media and watch their political talk shows, which Crooke also does because he cites those sources.
Yes, I agree all sources must be read/listened to with a critical eye/ear. In June 2019, Putin had an interview with Financial Times where he announced to the dismay of his hosts that “the liberal idea has become obsolete. It has come into conflict with the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population.” Those words were met with lots of praise in Russia and are something to remember when looking at Russia’s actions today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 18:22 utc | 324

YAhoo reports that Nukes Light, not the heavy nukes used on Hiroshima, but Lite Nukes are a consideration.
Also Zelenski plays guitar and sings. He’s very smart, cunning and calculating.
I had to listen to this today, so I share with the bar.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Mar 22 2022 18:35 utc | 325

@ 301 re: bio-weapons
Jeffrey Kaye, who was quoted to the Global Times article, has promised he’ll come up with some evidence of bio-weapons in Ukraine biolabs. He has pointed out: When Sen. Rubio asked Victoria Nuland point blank if Ukraine had chemical or biological weapons (which are illegal), she did not deny it! She gave the cover story: they have “biological research materials”
And we have: Reuters, Mar 11, EXCLUSIVE: WHO says it advised Ukraine to destroy pathogens in health labs to prevent disease spread . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 18:53 utc | 326

Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 18:53 utc | 326
With a close look this is no evidence. The statement of the WHO as well. It is not forbidden to have pathogens. It is forbidden to create bio-weapons from them. To catch one with a smoking gun remains difficult. May be one can compare it with the known problem of children porn on any PC. No proof at all, anybody may have place it there somehow. Even the time stamps can be cheated.
– Until now the main bad smelling thing is the fact that these labs were paid by the Pentagon.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 22 2022 19:15 utc | 327

Sushi | Mar 22 2022 15:09 utc | 282
According to Larry Johnson, NATO participation began years ago. Now it gets kinetic:
RUSSIA IS SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROYING NATO SITES IN THE UKRAINE
20 March 2022

I will admit up front that I had no idea how extensive NATO’s presence in the Ukraine was until this week. I just had not paid attention. But Russia’s blistering attacks on Yavoriv, Delyatyn, Mykolaiv and Zhytomyr have caught my eye. If you are not paying attention you should.
My most recent article, Russia Exploits Ukraine’s Western Flank, should have been titled, Russia Exposes NATO’s Impotence. That piece addressed the attacks on Yavoriv and Delyatyn. My curiosity is fully piqued and I am now searching the internet for U.S. and NATO documents describing their activities at those sights.
Have you heard about Zhytomyr? Did you know that NATO carried out cybersecurity training for Ukraine at Zhytomyr in September 2018 and described Ukraine as a “NATO PARTNER.”

Posted by: pogohere | Mar 22 2022 19:42 utc | 328

@ Hausmeister 327
With a close look this is no evidence. The statement of the WHO as well. It is not forbidden to have pathogens. It is forbidden to create bio-weapons from them.
…from the web…
Biological weapons include infectious agents (pathogens) and toxins. The most devastating bioterrorism scenario would be the airborne dispersal of pathogens over a concentrated population area.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 20:02 utc | 329

@ 328
On 12 June 2020, Ukraine joined NATO’s enhanced opportunity partner interoperability program. According to an official NATO statement, the new status “does not prejudge any decisions on NATO membership.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 20:05 utc | 330

Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 20:02 utc | 329
Yes, indeed. But to prove that they were trying to produce such things is extreme difficult. Until one finds some witnesses who give a factual statement. To hide such things in the own protocols should be manageable. – I am personally convinced that they tried such things. Otherwise the whole thing, organized by the Pentagon, encircling Russia, would have made no sense. But this interpretation is not a proof.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 22 2022 20:10 utc | 331

thanks to b and all the commenters here who provide good evidence based links. it’s f/n exhausting trying to wade through the sea of bullshit toward the shore of truth.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2022 20:12 utc | 332

@ my 330
–The ‘Greater NATO’ . . .
In the Euro-Atlantic area, the 30 Allies engage in relations with 20 partner countries through the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council and the Partnership for Peace – a major programme of bilateral cooperation with individual Euro-Atlantic partners. Among these partners, NATO has developed specific structures for its relationships with Russia*, Ukraine and Georgia.
*In April 2014, NATO foreign ministers decided to suspend all practical civilian and military cooperation with Russia but to maintain political contacts at the level of ambassadors and above.
NATO is developing relations with the seven countries on the southern Mediterranean rim through the Mediterranean Dialogue, as well as with four countries from the Gulf region through the Istanbul Cooperation Initiative.
NATO also cooperates with a range of countries which are not part of these regional partnership frameworks. Referred to as “partners across the globe”, they include Afghanistan, Australia, Colombia, Iraq, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mongolia, New Zealand and Pakistan.
NATO has also developed flexible means of cooperation with partners, across different regions. NATO can work with so-called “30+n” groups of partners, where partners are chosen based on a common interest or theme. At the 2014 Wales Summit, NATO introduced the possibility of “enhanced opportunities” for certain partners to build a deeper, more tailor-made bilateral relationship with NATO. At the same time, Allied leaders launched the “Interoperability Platform”, a permanent format for cooperation with partners on the interoperability needed for future crisis management and operations. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 20:16 utc | 333

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 20:16 utc | 333
Thx. Interesting. It seems like Ukraine was a quasi NATO member. NATO membership is not necessary if, everything else is put in place against Russia. This sheds new light on why Russia attacked. Some NATO freaks deliberately played with fire and got burned.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Mar 22 2022 20:25 utc | 334

@ my 333
The US is promoting the word-wide NATO thing as a replacement for the UN which it can’t command much longer, with China and Russia stepping up with their votes (and now their actions) to curtail US world hegemony.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 20:31 utc | 335

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/?m=1
https://www.thefivecoatconsultinggroup.com/
Websites with Russian losses
b, thoughts?

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Mar 22 2022 21:00 utc | 336

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 18:22 utc | 324
do you know what relationship Solzhenitsyn had with Russian convervatism? I don’t know much about him, but he was certainly disenchanted with the U.S.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2022 21:02 utc | 337

Hausmeister; the other problem is these labs weren’t on the radar of WHO or other UN agencies; they’re supposed to be declared; they weren’t. That detail is in the early reporting, haven’t seen any global health orgs saying they knew. Rather, we see it flushed down the memory hole; modus tells the truth.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Mar 22 2022 21:16 utc | 338

Don Bacon–Thanks for your additional commentary!
Arne Hartmann @334–
This entire ordeal is the result of CIA/Neocon actions, the most recent those of Obama, who is CIA and a Neocon in his soul. The Clintons are the same. Biden is part of the team. The attributes for Blinken and Sullivan’s placement into high positions is the same as Pompeo–CIA & Neocon. They are the NATO Pukes responsible for the current mess and deaths. And because the Outlaw US Empire has nukes, they have a degree of impunity/immunity to being brought to justice, which is very unfortunate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 21:50 utc | 339

pretzelattack @337–
Sorry, but I don’t have enough info on him to provide an extensive answer. However, I do know he was very disgusted with USSR’s system and what it presented as a philosophy that was easily contradicted by reality, and he became just as disgusted with Western Liberalism as it also doesn’t conform with reality.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 21:57 utc | 340

This event will cause a further reduction in global oil exports as shipments get rerouted to make up for the damaged facility that will take months to properly repair.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 22:03 utc | 341

341 Cont’d–
This item reports the loss will be @1Mbbls/day to overall global supply.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 22:06 utc | 342

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 22 2022 8:42 utc | 236
“Dare I suggest that the kiwis have descended so far into the pit of western sadness that they cant even hold a match to the Russians;}”
Uncle tungsten: first Australia went to the dogs now it is the turn of NZ. Monkey see the pit , monkey jump into the pit.
Both countries are smothered and obstructed by a tsunami of bureaucratic compliance, regulation and paperwork.
I noticed Russia abolished this obstruction for small and medium business recently.

Posted by: Paul | Mar 22 2022 22:09 utc | 343

Russian TOS-1 landing in Azovstal plant in Mariupol. No need to look for any neo-Nazi survivors.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 22 2022 23:33 utc | 344

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 22 2022 15:44 utc | 287
1) Russia doesn’t need West Ukraine.
I never suggested otherwise. The geography of west Ukraine is highly suitable for an insurgency. The political leanings of the population are likely heavily pro-Azov and antagonistic toward RF.
As for # 2 and # 3 and your suggestions: 1) that NATO cannot participate as “they don’t have the means or will to do so” and 2) “the general scenario is not very credible simply because it accomplishes nothing for the US, EU or Ukraine” are all refuted by the facts on the ground.
The RF has captured a NATO laptop, a device which hosts a smartcard permitting authentication and access to NATO intelligence. The exact degree of access is unknown but likely includes collection via air, ground, and satellite assets across a range of spectra. It is well reported that NATO members US, UK and Canada conducted training missions in Ukraine and provided military advice. The RF has asserted the discovery of UA planning for an attack in the Donbass, an attack that could not have been unknown to the members of the “defensive” NATO alliance on the ground in the LOC.
It is also well reported that NATO members have delivered, or promised the delivery of, a range of lethal weaponry, including MANPADs which are likely to be used against commercial aircraft at some future date. I can perceive no national security interest for the US, UK and Canada in any region of Ukraine. These states, and NATO generally, have been totally dismissive of multiple RF attempts to gain acknowledgement of the basic principle of interdependent security and the existential threat this lack of recognition posed to RF.
You have been following the debates on MoA and are therefore as well informed on the above issues as I. I fail to see how you can participate here and find any support for your assertions.
There is much evidence to support the assertion the root cause of the present conflict lies in the western (principally US and UK) desire to destabilize RF. The vehicle for achieving this aim is present day Ukraine with support from the cocaine comedian, the MSM, and the Azov death wish. In pursuit of destabilization of RF the West has demonstrated a gleeful wilfulness to place an economic shotgun to its own forehead and trigger the discharge of both barrels.
If we survive the present for sufficient time to write even a brief history, I suspect the historical consensus will be that the insanity of August 1914 was but a pleasant walk in the park compared to the present state of delusion.
With this degree of demonstrated psychopathy, malevolence, and self-interest, I would not rule out any insane scheme to be hatched by the Brandon sycophants. How are you going to stop them? By posting about “reality” on MoA? By voting? Get a clue.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 0:17 utc | 345

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 0:17 utc | 345
I think I lean a little to C1ue’s way of thinking. Giving western Ukraine to Poland, could be a face saver for Russia at least for the Crimea situation. ie a bit of an off-ramp. It removes from the Ukraine the most anti Russian elements and might even lead to a neutral Ukraine. A federation similar to the Minsk 2 protocols could even be possible and without the hostile 4 oblasts, just might work.
1. Ukraine (what is left of it) becomes a neutral state supervised by internationals (not including anyone from a NATO/EU state)
2. The world accepts Crimea is part of Russia, the 4 oblasts part of Poland.
3. Genuine referenda in EACH remaining oblast to decide on options – which would be a) full independence, b)part of a Ukrainian federation with the Kiev oblast as centre/capital c) part of Russia d)reluctantly but let us be fair part of Poland e) joint with Hungary of Romania or Transnistra or Belarus. To avoid many votes, Australian style preferential voting (ranked preferences) could be used.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 23 2022 0:35 utc | 346

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2022 17:04 utc | 310
Thanks for the link, I didn’t know those.
Posted by: Calgary Guy | Mar 22 2022 17:20 utc | 312

Ditto. Thank you.
Also Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2022 16:38 utc | 301
Thanks for this karl. Very revealing wrt to both medical ethics and COVID. There is also considerable evidence of US deploying biologic weapons in the Korean War. I believe the Needham report is the authoritative document.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 0:35 utc | 347

Bad Smells Getting Wurst
Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 22 2022 19:15 utc | 327

– Until now the main bad smelling thing is the fact that these labs were paid by the Pentagon.

The second olfactory clue comes from the fact all of the Ukraine biolabs were under the direct control of the Security Service of Ukraine, not the countries health ministry. Why do sturmbannführer need to muck about with test tubes?
The third stinky fact is that Canada, ostensibly a rich country, has but one biolab. Ukraine, acknowledged to be the poorest country in Europe (but hosting the richest oligarchs), has over 30 such biolabs.
What is really putrid is the evidence that Ukraine assisted the US with the collection of Slavic specimen DNA.
I am interested in any rational explanation for the reason a country with the avowed intent to destroy Russia (no need to resort to euphemisms) would seek to collect Russian DNA at the same time it is also known to be actively researching bioweapons that target a specific human genotype (i.e. a Slavic genotype) and be harmless to all other human genotypes.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 1:06 utc | 348

Airborne Dispersal of Pathogens
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2022 20:02 utc | 329

Biological weapons include infectious agents (pathogens) and toxins. The most devastating bio-terrorism scenario would be the airborne dispersal of pathogens over a concentrated population area.

Immediately prior to the launch of the Special Operation there were reports that UA was in the process of obtaining Turkish drones specifically fitted with the means to disperse airborne aerosols.
I lack the source link (believed to have been posted to MoA) but such a capacity would have been of concern to the RF. The UA had asserted an intent toward genocide, had spent 8 years working to eliminate the “cockroaches” of the Donbass. That it now sought Turkish drones with the capacity to disperse pathogens raised the prospect of a low cost aerial Auschwitz.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 1:16 utc | 349

I am interested in any rational explanation for the reason a country with the avowed intent to destroy Russia (no need to resort to euphemisms) would seek to collect Russian DNA at the same time it is also known to be actively researching bioweapons that target a specific human genotype (i.e. a Slavic genotype) and be harmless to all other human genotypes.
Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 1:06 utc | 348
Well, obviously, they are looking for a biological super-weapon to take out the Russians. Drones are not effective enough, lots of people have the bomb, and chemical weapons leave traces, but germs can go exponential, and germs happen naturally too, hard to pin down where they came from. Still, that many biolabs seems excessive, not very sensitive about how things look. You have to wonder if some sort of grift was attached to them too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 23 2022 1:20 utc | 350

One of Us is Confused
Posted by: watcher | Mar 23 2022 0:35 utc | 346
I fail to understand your post.
I posted to the effect there appear to be plans afoot for Poland to enter the conflict, possibly accept Western Ukraine as part of Poland and thereby obtain NATO protections for Western Ukraine.
C1ue disagreed with this and cited reasons Poland would not enter the conflict.
You now state you agree with C1ue’s position but all of your points are in support of my original conjecture with regard to a rapprochement between Poland and Ukraine that would deliver NATO protections to Western Ukraine.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 1:33 utc | 351

b
Thank you from my heart. I deeply appreciate your work, your insight and willingness to share with others/us for very little in return. As you are predicting, I imagine Germany– your people– will suffer severely before we in the more remote (US/Canada) regions of the West experience the pain of near total societal disintegration. Your efforts continue to resonate and multiply throughout the world.

Posted by: migueljose | Mar 23 2022 1:53 utc | 352

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 23 2022 1:33 utc | 351
Sushi
I actually did not address the NATO protection issue at all. I was only thinking about Ukraine as such. The issue of NATO in Poland is a quite different one which I suspect will be addressed at a much later date.
Basically all I am saying is that it is possible (and I mean just possible) that Poland taking West Ukraine could be an off ramp face saver and allow a resolution of at least the Ukrainian part of the problem.
Russia will still need to address the issues of Poland, Romania,Bulgaria and the Baltics, but it will be one headache less and allow the removal of sanctions. This is perhaps a hope rather than a prediction.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 23 2022 2:21 utc | 353

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Mar 22 2022 21:00 utc | 336
The second link claims (without any prooflink) that Komsomolskaya Pravda acknowledged 9k+ Russian casualties on 21 March. But there is nothing like that on their official site — at most, a Russian MoD statement that Podolyak’s (Zelenskyy’s adviser) numbers on “Russian casualties” are mere propaganda, unfettered from chains of reality.
Googling a bit more we can find out the official KP note on that claim:

On March 21, access to the administrator interface was hacked on the Komsomolskaya Pravda website and a fake paragraph was inserted in this publication regarding the situation around the special operation in Ukraine.
Inaccurate information was immediately removed.

There is also a thing about losses secrecy in peacetime, so, whether this was a really (moslty implausible) MoD leak to KP — since there are no mentions of that anywhere else beyond references to the aforementioned publications — an inner protest of the KP staff or a verily hacker attack, remains obscured by the metaphorical fog.

Posted by: CI | Mar 23 2022 2:52 utc | 354

This video implies that the shopping center in Kiev was hit by a Kinzhal hypesonic missile.

The Russian hypersonic aviation missile system “Kinzhal” hits the targets of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For the NATO commanders who do not understand , we explain : your military facilities are not only in the zone of destruction of strategic high-precision weapons, but are absolutely not protected from their destructive impact.
“>https://t.me/boris_rozhin/35109

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 23 2022 8:40 utc | 355

There is video from the near vertical impact of the missile on the Kiev shopping center. Maybe it is possible to deduce the speed from that to confirm that it was hypersonic.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 23 2022 11:05 utc | 356

Has the world forgotten ex-US Secretary of State Madellane Albright’s famous answer? After the 1st gulf war and in an interview she was asked this: “do you think the loss if 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it? After a few seconds delay she said, YES!
So much for collateral damage.

Posted by: the grand wazoo | Mar 23 2022 16:34 utc | 357

By quoting them Crooke is actually saying that the majority of Russians and Serbs are conservative, religious traditionalists thinking of the contemporary world as a place where holy wars are waged to protect “our way of life”. So, they are not capable of critical analysis and understanding of the world we all share! They do not think like “us”, meaning they don’t have the capacity to penetrate the deeper processes and see their countries and the world realistically.
Beware of such an attitude. I reject it because it is misleading and condescending.
Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2022 17:24 utc | 314
There is a subtle non-sequitur here. The acceptance of same sex marriage, to consider an example, is quite novel in the Western counties, and far from universal. Does it mean that in the prior years, Westerners were not capable of critical analysis etc.? And they are much better in that respect since then? Perhaps one may argue that Westerners became more open minded, which is a mark of critical thinking etc. But it could be that the need for tribal rejection of the “others” persists as much as before, with shifting the content of the box “others”. Ponder Russiagate in which liberals who conceptualize themselves as “critical thinkers” indulged with hardly any critical analysis.
And there is a galore of other examples as well.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 24 2022 2:19 utc | 358

@ B There is no mention of the olive green jackets in the Washington Post article now. I assume they removed the reference. Was it here?

On one side, the building had been reduced to a pile of debris. On the other lay remnants left by several victims — including their clothes. Used surgical gloves were scattered on the ground nearby.

Posted by: BM | Mar 24 2022 5:23 utc | 359

Growing up in working class southern Ontario in the 60’s, Ukrainians were from Ukrainia. Was this just an anglo-Canadian invention? or even just my neighbourhood? When I did hear of The Ukraine I recall thinking that name sounded much more distinctive and sophisticated.

Posted by: TdeL | Mar 26 2022 16:36 utc | 360