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Bits Of Interest From The War In Ukraine
Below are various bits of interest from the war in Ukraine.
- Zelensky says 'western' leaders said no to Ukrainian NATO membership, but rejected to do so publicly.
- U.S. supported 'activist' commits publicly to war crimes.
- CNN promotes leader of neo-Nazi Azov Battalion.
- Arch Zionists are pissed off by Zelensky's holocaust revisionism.
- Destroyed Kiev shopping mall was used as weapon and ammunition depot.
- Despite a hopeless situation the government in Kiev rejects to end war in Mariupol.
- Unconfirmed: Zelensky rejects Ukrainian military request for retreat from the Donbas front.
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In two draft treaties, which Russia had sent to the U.S. and EU in December, it demanded written declarations that the Ukraine would never join NATO. The U.S. and the EU publicly rejected that demand. It was a major reason for Russia to start its intervention.
Consider the above in light of this interview Zelensky gave yesterday to CNN. He said:
I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five. Just say it directly and clearly or just say no, and the response was very clear, you are not going to be a NATO or E.U. member, but publicly the doors will remain open.
The cowards just didn't want to say it publicly, even as it could have avoided a war.
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White Swan @SDyorin – 10:32 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Head of #Ukrainian "1st volunteer mobile hospital" operating in #Donbass, political activist Gennady Druzenko claimed on '#Ukraine 24' channel that he 'ordered to 𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒆 captive #Russian soldiers, because they are cockroaches, not humans'. #neonazis – Video
Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 – 9:21 UTC · Mar 20, 2022
Druzenko is closely tied to the US government. He's had stints at USAID/Chemonics and the Wilson Center. – Image
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Mark Ames @MarkAmesExiled – 12:47 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Incredible. neo-Nazi Azov promoting Azov Regiment commander Denis Prokopenko’s appearance on @CNN. Everything is upside-down. – Video
Oleksiy Kuzmenko @kooleksiy – 21:24 UTC · Mar 18, 2020
Azov Regiment never de-politicized. The current commander Denys "Redis" Prokopenko, has been with Azov since 2014, came, per "Redis" himself, from the milieu of Dynamo Kyiv soccer hooligans. The photos are from a 2014 rally. The cover is of Azov's own zine "The Black Sun". – Images
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Israeli lawmakers tear into Zelensky for Holocaust comparisons in Knesset speech – Times of Israel
Caroline Glick @CarolineGlick – 15:37 UTC · Mar 20, 2022
Zelensky's claim that the Ukrainians were righteous gentiles who saved Jews in the Holocaust is sick historical revisionism. The Ukrainians were active, enthusiastic Nazis. Ukrainian Jewry wasn't annihilated in Poland, but in Ukraine, by their neighbors
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Large explosion partially destroys Kyiv shopping mall, killing at least 8, officials say – Washington Post
> Early Monday, photographers documented several bodies laid outside an entrance to the mall. A Washington Post reporter who visited the site after the bodies were removed saw puddles of blood and olive green blood-soaked jackets on the ground. Abandoned surgical gloves were scattered about — apparently left over from medics who tried to save the victims. <
Aladin @aldin_ww – 9:41 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Now that all is done and there is more light on that situation I will say that strike on Retroville Mall in Kyiv was not just a strike on a shopping mall.
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New images have been posted online showing military vehicles parked at the shopping mall. – Image
I don't like to do this stuff, I have promised to be as objective as possible and there it is.
Harry Boone @Harry_Boone – 11:54 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
looks like "Retroville" shopping center was used as military storage – Image
Secondary explosion after Russian missile strike on Kyiv's "Retroville" shopping center
… Ammo storage ? – Video
Yuri Lyamin @imp_navigator – 14:45 UTC · 21 Mar 2022
Fottages from Russian recc UAV (looks like Orlan-10) that tracked postion of the Ukrainian "Grad" MLRS that covered in parking of the Retroville Mall in Kiev. After that, a missile strike was carried out, that was also filmed from recc UAV. – Video
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Bill Roggio @billroggio – 11:53 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
1) This map, from @BBC, dated March 20, shows the situation in Mariupol. Ukrainian forces, led by the Azov Battalion, are bottled up in an area approximately 6 square miles. There is no relief. – Map
2) A Russian general called for Ukrainian troops to surrender.
"There can be no question of any surrender, laying down of arms" in the city, Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk responded.
Reuters: Ukraine defies Russian demand to lay down arms in Mariupol
3) The neo-Nazi Azov Battalion is unlikely to lay down its arms, so the fight for Mariupol will only get bloodier.
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Gleb Bazov @gbazov – 12:34 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Command of #UA Joint Forces Operation in #Donbass has urgently requested a full-scale withdrawal from around #Donetsk to escape a forming cauldron. JFO command has asked to retreat from positions at #Kurakhovo, #Dachnoye, #Avdeedvka. 1/4 – Map
#Russia|n forces have already reached the rear of #Ukrainian forces in this area, west of #Donetsk. The complete elimination of #UA units here is a matter of several days according to #JFO command. 2/4 – Map
According to #UA #JFO command, withdrawal from these positions could enable #Ukraine|ian troops to salvage the desperate situation and continue defensive operations in the area of #Dzerzhinsk and #Kramatorsk. 3/4
#Zelensky is refusing to allow the retreat for fear that it would be used by #Russia as a weapon in the information war against #Ukraine, as it would mean deblockading #Donetsk and abandoning defensive fortifications. 4/4
@ K | Mar 21 2022 21:38 utc | 72
I hear ya! Heck, as a gay-married male myself, how could I not? But . . . maybe it’s just the crankiness of old age, but I don’t get bent out of shape about it. On the left – the real left, not what passes for “liberals” in the USA – tolerance of homosexuality, such as it ever was, more or less died with Lenin. Stalin may or may not have been a raging homophobe, but he certainly needed the babies, so he recriminalized sodomy, and ever since the whole spectrum of leftists, whether Stalinists, Trotzkyists, or other assorted Marxists, even once they’ve added LGBT rights to the platforms of their billions of political microparties, have been at best patronizing on the matter of homosexuality in the abstract as long as they’re not personally confronted with evidence of its actual existence (e.g., leave your partner and your wedding ring at home if you’re going to participate in the next march). There are few exceptions. So I actually prefer the distaste and even hatred of those on the social right; they’re at least honest, and sometimes they’re otherwise good people. As Weinheber wrote in a bitter little sonnet:
Besser als der Rattenschwanz der lauen
Freunde taugt ein einz’ger Feind von Ehre.
(More valuable than the daisy chain of lukewarm
Friends is just one single honorable foe.)
And when someone on the moral right really accepts you, you know it’s honest, because they’re going against the precepts of their own culture.
So I’m not even interested to find out whether karlof1 meant “from same-sex marriages to the legalization of fascism” as a sort of lesser- to greater-evil progression, or whether he just meant to cite them as two equally depraved phenomena. I’ll tolerate him (even if there’s no reciprocation) because he’s on the side of the angels in most matters, and I’m not a one-issue kind of guy. Yes, the situation of gays and lesbians in Kiev might be slightly less bad than in Donetsk, but 14,000 civilians murdered by a regime suffering from a dangerous Nazi infestation certainly counts for something. Who knows, there might have even been some gays among those 14,000. It’s the same issue (if with different intensity) we’ve been propagandized with regarding the Taliban in Afghanistan: “Won’t somebody think of the women!” Well, yes, I thought about them, and concluded that most women were better off repressed than blown to bits, and the fact that so many of them are starving now isn’t the Taliban’s fault.
Now as for Russia, I haven’t had President Chimpie McFlightsuit’s good fortune to be able to stare int Pooty-Poot’s baby blues, but I suspect that at least most of the time he (Putin, that is) means pretty much what he says. And in this case: Nothing against gays; let them live in peace; but we’ve got our traditions, so don’t teach the children about it, and marriage is out of the question. Now obviously I’m not going to endorse his marriage position, and one can have a nice lively discussion as to what constitutes “indoctrinating the kids,” but this isn’t the worst of positions and certainly an improvement over post-1920s USSR. Other countries do much worse, of course, and some keep their anti-sodomy laws on the books “for the sake of tradition” (hello, Malaysia! hello, Singapore!) even if they don’t seem terribly interested in enforcing them. And certainly the Russian Federation could do better with regard to enforcing its own laws; being “out” in Chechnya, for instance, is literally suicidal. At a time like this, however, not having pissed off Kadyrov by compellling him to enforce a Western moral code seems to be paying big dividends in terms of liberating thousands and even millions of Ukrainians from very real fascism.
In any case, if there’s anything we Westerners should have learned (but of course refuse to learn) from our several attempts to shame, sanction, or bomb countries into accepting Our Liberal and Civilized Values, is that such actions achieve at best nothing and at worst the opposite of the stated intention. Each culture develops, and sometimes alters, its values according to its own internal dynamics, often abetted by contact with other societies, but such development/alteration cannot be forced. We might – might – be able to offer incentives (e.g., “You don’t want your gays? Send ‘em to us”) that don’t result in a loss of face, but that’s about it.
So I’ll take my strategic partners (if not allies) where I find them, and wish Russia rapid success in an operation that is, while terrible, both righteous and righteously conducted.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 21 2022 23:12 utc | 116
I don’t want to go looking for it, but yesterday I wrote that there was a strange light in the night sky in Kiev, and CNN were showing those Ukie MLRS going crazy shooting at that mysterious thing and then I stated: wouldn’t a decoy like that be a great way to smoke out those rocket launchers and then return and bam!–blow them away?
So this morning, the moment I heard about that missile strike on the Kiev mall from the U.S. Fauxnews know-nothing ministry, my first thought was: Omg…there’s a weapons stash in there!
So you can’t imagine my excitement now viewing that Russian UAV chase around that green scarab, and me holding my breath and when that missile ejected straight as an arrow for that direct kill, I cried out: oh Yeah! Fuck! Yeah!
1+2=3…yes, I can add unlike CNN.
Anyway, now it’s my turn to go in for the kill.
I just couldn’t let this one from useless on the previous thread, escape:
And if Russia becomes a vassal state to China as a result of the economic and political damage of Putin’s Folly the inescapable fact is Russia stands to lose by winning the Ukrainian misadventure.
I know this is an unpopular take to posit on MoA but the evidence is piling as high as the rubble in Maripol that Putin has lost bigtime.
Oh and Saudi Arabia just agreed to increase oil production. While the SA-China oil sale transacted in yuan has yet to be consummated afaik.
Posted by: Useless meat beater | Mar 21 2022 16:08 utc | 323
So first of all: where’s your link, smartass?
FYI: [My square bracelets and emphasis]
[THE BRIBE] Senior US officials told reporters on Sunday that the weapons systems were sent to Saudi Arabia in recent weeks, which the kingdom had been requesting since late last year to fend off missile and drone attacks by Yemen’s Houthi group, The Associated Press news agency and the Wall Street Journal reported.
[THE MOTIVE]
The move comes as the Biden administration has increasingly sought to convince Riyadh to pump more crude oil to help alleviate soaring prices spurred by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
[THE EXCUSE TO SNUB REQUEST…again.]
Instead, Saudi Arabia warned on Monday that Yemeni rebel attacks on the kingdom’s oil facilities pose a “direct threat” to global supplies.
Saudi Arabia “will not incur any responsibility” for shortages in oil supplies in light of the Iran-backed Houthi attacks, the foreign ministry said in a statement.
The statement came a day after Saudi Arabia acknowledged a temporary drop in production after the Houthis attacked a refinery with an armed drone. It urged the international community to “stand firm” against the Houthi rebel group.
The drone assault on the YASREF refinery in Yanbu Industrial City on the Red Sea “led to a temporary reduction in the refinery’s production”, the Saudi energy ministry said Sunday.
It added that the drop would “be compensated for from the inventory”, but did not provide numbers.
Compensating the drop in production with inventory due to Houthi attack on refinery is not the same as increasing production.
So despite the Bribe, the Saudis aren’t budging.
CHECK…
[Cannot post link. Source: al-jazeera us-sends-patriot-interceptors-to-saudi-to-ease-tensions-reports]
So you refer to the Valdai Club article, but fail to link it. I know-I know you were replying to a certain Virgile who did append the article, however, you totally failed to exercise blogging courtesy by adding the post @ and the time since it was on another page, so others could benefit from its content and reference your veracity!
So you mention the Valdai Club article. Funny, I didn’t read a win for the EU in there, but whatever.
And it didn’t mention Russia ending up as China’s vassal although I agree that, regrettably, the implication was there.
Maybe you see the future of Russia as a vassal state of China.
I see it as a continuing partnership based on mutual respect. A multipolar world should no longer accommodate or encourage power-driven supremacy.
In his speech before the Valdai International Discussion Club XI session on October 24, 2014, in Sochi, the theme of the Conference being: The World Order: New Rules or a Game without Rules?, Putin stated this:
Russia does not need any kind of special, exclusive place in the world. While respecting the interests of others, we simply want for our own interests to be taken into account and for our position to be respected.
That’s called a partnership; and between Russia and China in a multipolar order, it could only be understood as mutually beneficial.
You’re reading from the already irrelevant Unipolar playbook authored by the decaying U.S. Empire.
Z for Victory…MATE
▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎
Now for something lighter. I just LOL’d when I read this:
Zelensky is not stupid. He is happy to let Russia destroy all the Neonazis in the East, so he can either stall for (unlikely) Nato support or if (when) he doesn’t get it, switch the narrative to ‘Western betrayal’ mode and clear the path for becoming Putin’s bitch *without the risk of being hanged by extremists* after he surrenders.
Posted by: Et Tu | Mar 21 2022 17:02 utc |
A man who begs and pleads every day like he does has to know when he’s been licked.
Of course sometimes getting licked (*checkmated with benefits*) is the best thing that can ever happen.
Surrender to Z.
Posted by: Circe | Mar 21 2022 23:15 utc | 118
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March 21, 2022
Bits Of Interest From The War In Ukraine
Below are various bits of interest from the war in Ukraine.
Zelensky says ‘western’ leaders said no to Ukrainian NATO membership, but rejected to do so publicly.
U.S. supported ‘activist’ commits publicly to war crimes.
CNN promotes leader of neo-Nazi Azov Battalion.
Arch Zionists are pissed off by Zelensky’s holocaust revisionism.
Destroyed Kiev shopping mall was used as weapon and ammunition depot.
Despite a hopeless situation the government in Kiev rejects to end war in Mariupol.
Unconfirmed: Zelensky rejects Ukrainian military request for retreat from the Donbas front.
—
In two draft treaties, which Russia had sent to the U.S. and EU in December, it demanded written declarations that the Ukraine would never join NATO. The U.S. and the EU publicly rejected that demand. It was a major reason for Russia to start its intervention.
Consider the above in light of this interview Zelensky gave yesterday to CNN. He said:
I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five. Just say it directly and clearly or just say no, and the response was very clear, you are not going to be a NATO or E.U. member, but publicly the doors will remain open.
The cowards just didn’t want to say it publicly, even as it could have avoided a war.
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White Swan @SDyorin – 10:32 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Head of #Ukrainian “1st volunteer mobile hospital” operating in #Donbass, political activist Gennady Druzenko claimed on ‘#Ukraine 24’ channel that he ‘ordered to 𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒆 captive #Russian soldiers, because they are cockroaches, not humans’. #neonazis – Video
Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 – 9:21 UTC · Mar 20, 2022
Druzenko is closely tied to the US government. He’s had stints at USAID/Chemonics and the Wilson Center. – Image
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Mark Ames @MarkAmesExiled – 12:47 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Incredible. neo-Nazi Azov promoting Azov Regiment commander Denis Prokopenko’s appearance on @CNN. Everything is upside-down. – Video
Oleksiy Kuzmenko @kooleksiy – 21:24 UTC · Mar 18, 2020
Azov Regiment never de-politicized. The current commander Denys “Redis” Prokopenko, has been with Azov since 2014, came, per “Redis” himself, from the milieu of Dynamo Kyiv soccer hooligans. The photos are from a 2014 rally. The cover is of Azov’s own zine “The Black Sun”. – Images
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Israeli lawmakers tear into Zelensky for Holocaust comparisons in Knesset speech – Times of Israel
Caroline Glick @CarolineGlick – 15:37 UTC · Mar 20, 2022
Zelensky’s claim that the Ukrainians were righteous gentiles who saved Jews in the Holocaust is sick historical revisionism. The Ukrainians were active, enthusiastic Nazis. Ukrainian Jewry wasn’t annihilated in Poland, but in Ukraine, by their neighbors
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Large explosion partially destroys Kyiv shopping mall, killing at least 8, officials say – Washington Post
> Early Monday, photographers documented several bodies laid outside an entrance to the mall. A Washington Post reporter who visited the site after the bodies were removed saw puddles of blood and olive green blood-soaked jackets on the ground. Abandoned surgical gloves were scattered about — apparently left over from medics who tried to save the victims. <
Aladin @aldin_ww - 9:41 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Now that all is done and there is more light on that situation I will say that strike on Retroville Mall in Kyiv was not just a strike on a shopping mall.
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New images have been posted online showing military vehicles parked at the shopping mall. - Image
I don't like to do this stuff, I have promised to be as objective as possible and there it is.
Harry Boone @Harry_Boone - 11:54 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
looks like "Retroville" shopping center was used as military storage - Image
Secondary explosion after Russian missile strike on Kyiv's "Retroville" shopping center
... Ammo storage ? - Video
Yuri Lyamin @imp_navigator - 14:45 UTC · 21 Mar 2022
Fottages from Russian recc UAV (looks like Orlan-10) that tracked postion of the Ukrainian "Grad" MLRS that covered in parking of the Retroville Mall in Kiev. After that, a missile strike was carried out, that was also filmed from recc UAV. - Video
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Bill Roggio @billroggio - 11:53 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
1) This map, from @BBC, dated March 20, shows the situation in Mariupol. Ukrainian forces, led by the Azov Battalion, are bottled up in an area approximately 6 square miles. There is no relief. - Map
2) A Russian general called for Ukrainian troops to surrender.
"There can be no question of any surrender, laying down of arms" in the city, Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk responded.
Reuters: Ukraine defies Russian demand to lay down arms in Mariupol
3) The neo-Nazi Azov Battalion is unlikely to lay down its arms, so the fight for Mariupol will only get bloodier.
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Gleb Bazov @gbazov - 12:34 UTC · Mar 21, 2022
Command of #UA Joint Forces Operation in #Donbass has urgently requested a full-scale withdrawal from around #Donetsk to escape a forming cauldron. JFO command has asked to retreat from positions at #Kurakhovo, #Dachnoye, #Avdeedvka. 1/4 - Map
#Russia|n forces have already reached the rear of #Ukrainian forces in this area, west of #Donetsk. The complete elimination of #UA units here is a matter of several days according to #JFO command. 2/4 - Map
According to #UA #JFO command, withdrawal from these positions could enable #Ukraine|ian troops to salvage the desperate situation and continue defensive operations in the area of #Dzerzhinsk and #Kramatorsk. 3/4
#Zelensky is refusing to allow the retreat for fear that it would be used by #Russia as a weapon in the information war against #Ukraine, as it would mean deblockading #Donetsk and abandoning defensive fortifications. 4/4
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Posted by: K | Mar 21 2022 21:38 utc | 72
Agreed. I have no brief for Orthodox Christianity or any other breed of that slave religion. In my view, the Russians falling back on religion after having dumped Communism are idiots. But then what can one expect? It has been argued that some sort of religion is baked in to the human brain. The Communists were right to try to stamp it out, but it was ultimately futile.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 21 2022 22:56 utc | 101
"Why does Mariupol matter so much?"
Because civilians are being killed there since 2014!
Posted by: Olivier | Mar 21 2022 22:56 utc | 102
I doubt Zelensky has always been a Nazi. There is a clip circulating where he’s joking about all the Nazis in Ukraine and it being a stooge of the US. However, it is now clear that Nazism in Ukraine is not a vague nostalgia for Bandera and some violent paramilitaries. Zelensky has almost certainly been exposed to the intellectual cadre of Ukrainian fascists for at least three years. And there is too much consistency in deep intellectual Nazism in much of the society. (See, eichmann quote and castration order said on national TV.)
He’s a Nazi now. And he’s clearly feeling pretty messianic. One wouldn’t think a nation could be turned so fascist with full-blown ethnic supremacy and a will to genocide so quickly. But if you start the clock in 1991, it isn’t so quick. When you add the long relationship between CIA/MI6 and the OUN/UPA to the US’s work in 2014 and a puppet like president you get this.
4 years ago he was a successful comedian / actor in a failed mafia state. Nice life but nothing special. Now the US Congress gives him standing ovations. He’s full of himself and wholly bought into his indoctrination. Plus, he’s obviously wasted … a lot.
Posted by: Lex | Mar 21 2022 22:56 utc | 103
regarding the briefing of the MOD posted by Richard Steven Hack (thank yuo for that). I found one section to be quite interesting:
"Due to hypersonic speed and ultra-high kinetic energy, the warhead of Kinzhal missile complex destroyed a protected underground arsenal located in a mountainous area, built in Soviet times to store special ammunition and missiles.
The destruction of a large fuel depot in Konstantinovka by Kinzhal hypersonic missile was due to its invisibility and invulnerability to any means of enemy air and missile defence.
Combat use of Kynzhal aviation missile system confirmed its effectiveness in destroying highly protected special enemy assets. The strikes on the military infrastructure of Ukraine by this missile system will continue within the special military operation.
I would like to emphasize that Kinzhal system is used with a conventional warhead. Although experts are well aware of the capabilities of this weapon, not only in terms of range, but also in terms of the type of charge."
This seems to be a rather clear message that "we can put a nuclear warhead on this any time we want and deliver in less than 10 minutes to any NATO base in Europe". Or wherever else they might choose.
Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 21 2022 22:57 utc | 104
K @72--
If that's all you got from Crooke's article and the podcast that's very much related to it, then I'm sorry, for you make it very clear you understand nothing about Russia or what Russianness is composed of and why Russians wouldn't want to live in a world without Russia.
RSH @76--I suggest you listen to the Luongo-Crooke podcast and read Crooke's latest essay so you become further informed.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2022 22:58 utc | 105
re: Olivier | Mar 21 2022 22:55 utc | 100
I will stop imagining and worring about nuclear war once the US and Russia get rid of their launch-ready nuclear arsenals, which can receive the permission order from Russian or US presidents and be launched towards their targets in a matter of a few minutes.
Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 21 2022 23:01 utc | 106
Posted by: Ian Kummer | Mar 21 2022 22:22 utc | 85
"How YOU can help win the war against nazism"
Uhm, no. There is only one way to win that war - shoot every Nazi in the head. The Russians understand this. That's why the Chechens are there. You want to win the war against Nazis in the US or anywhere else: get a gun, find a Nazi, shoot him in the head. Period. End of story.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 21 2022 23:03 utc | 107
When it comes to actual full-blown violent Nazis, I tend to agree, although that approach would be against the law where I live. But I think it useful to distinguish between those Nazis and those who have absorbed some aspects of Nazi thought, especially due to the recent MSM brainwash. “But they were fighting Stalin!” might be a depraved attitude, but by itself doesn’t merit a bullet in the head. I believe Mr. Kummer is addressing such cases.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 21 2022 23:21 utc | 122
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