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February 01, 2022

When We Are Done With Covid The Virus Will Not Be Done With Us

Some people, like New York Times columnist David Leonhardt, can not await the end of Covid.

Over the last year Leonhardt falsely predicted the end of the pandemic every few months. He then mumbled about pundit fallibility, including his own, only to again fall for it.

Pandemic in Retreat, Feb 11 2021

Covid on the Run, May 20 2021
The pandemic may now be in permanent retreat in the U.S.

Covid, in Retreat, Oct 4 2021

Pundit Accountability, Jan 10 2022
Writers and experts should be transparent about what they got wrong.

Omicron Is in Retreat, Jan 19 2022

The last headline line may by chance turn out to be correct as the next wave of Covid will likely come from a different SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern. There is no law or guarantee that it will be less severe or less immune evasive. In might in fact be the opposite on both counts.

It is not the only thing Leonhardt got wrong:

The New York Times’ David Leonhardt and others would have you believe that liberal overreaction to the pandemic is as big a problem as the anti-vax right.
There is a movement afoot just as insidious as right-wingers refusing to wear masks and get vaccinated. It’s progressives who are fully vaccinated but whose overcautious attitude toward Covid-19 is harming a generation of children and preventing society from getting over the pandemic.

Or so posits David Leonhardt, a journalist at The New York Times who has written about this phenomenon in his newsletter [..] to discuss the alarming trend of liberals who just won’t quit Covid. The fact that poll respondents who are fully vaccinated and boosted seem more worried about getting sick, Leonhardt wrote this week, suggests “both political tribes really do seem to be struggling to read the evidence objectively. As a result, the country is suffering thousands of preventable deaths every week while also accepting a preventable crisis of isolation that’s falling particularly hard on children.”
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In pieces like these, there is typically little or no discussion of the actual reasons people may be concerned about getting sick. Not everyone is worried about their personal demise. They may instead be worried about spreading the virus to elderly or immunocompromised people or to children who aren’t eligible or allowed to get vaccinated, or they may be concerned about overwhelming hospitals, developing a “mild” course of Covid that nevertheless leads to long-term illness or disability, missing work while sick, losing childcare after they or their kids test positive, or falling behind in school. The choice isn’t a binary between being afraid for one’s own personal safety or carrying on. Mass death isn’t inevitable; being concerned about the vulnerable or the course of the pandemic as whole isn’t pathological.
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There are indeed “two Covid Americas,” but not in the way commentators like Leonhardt envision it. There are those who are still at genuine risk, and those who feel too inconvenienced to protect them. The former group have no choice but to take Covid seriously. The least the latter group could do is stop suggesting that those who value the vulnerable are pathologically silly.

People are right to still be concerned about Covid. When some say 'I'm done with it' others will suffer. Unfortunately being 'done with it' is a move that societies seem to just make after some time.

John M. Barry has written a book about the great influenza pandemic. Based on case numbers in Britain it is often claimed that the 1918-1919 pandemic came in three waves. But, Barry writes, there was a fourth one and it was also quite deadly:

Most histories of the 1918 influenza pandemic that killed at least 50 million people worldwide say it ended in the summer of 1919 when a third wave of the respiratory contagion finally subsided.

Yet the virus continued to kill. A variant that emerged in 1920 was lethal enough that it should have counted as a fourth wave. In some cities, among them Detroit, Milwaukee, Minneapolis and Kansas City, Mo., deaths exceeded even those in the second wave, responsible for most of the pandemic’s deaths in the United States. This occurred despite the fact that the U.S. population had plenty of natural immunity from the influenza virus after two years of several waves of infection and after viral lethality in the third wave had already decreased.

Nearly all cities in the United States imposed restrictions during the pandemic’s virulent second wave, which peaked in the fall of 1918. That winter, some cities reimposed controls when a third, though less deadly wave struck. But virtually no city responded in 1920. People were weary of influenza, and so were public officials. Newspapers were filled with frightening news about the virus, but no one cared. People at the time ignored this fourth wave; so did historians. The virus mutated into ordinary seasonal influenza in 1921, but the world had moved on well before.

Barry writes that we should not repeat that mistake.

Unfortunately a repeat is exactly what is likely to happen. There will be more waves, they will be deadly, but no one will give a fuck.

Posted by b on February 1, 2022 at 17:29 UTC | Permalink

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Pandemics come and go. Most time they dissapear mysteriously such as the Black Plague. Sure, noone can predict when this will happen but it will happen. As it has always happened. No the Covid will stay but not in pandemic form. This has been the case for centuries if not millenia.

We should all hope for this and always be positive. So I dont really have many problems when people predict this. Keep it up I say.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 1 2022 17:40 utc | 1

re Pundit Accountability, the NYT would have more retractions than 'news' if they followed this practice.

Posted by: Black Cloud | Feb 1 2022 17:40 utc | 2

Well I guess its a good thing that the definiution of 'pandemic' was changed in 2009.
Handy too, that 'herd immunity' was changed as well. Heck even 'vaccine' recently got a "definitive face-lift"...ah well I'm sure its for the greater good.

Posted by: Chevrus | Feb 1 2022 17:52 utc | 3

Check out all cause mortality in Norway for the above 55 age group. It's massive. And it's not Covid. Does anyone "give a fuck?"

Posted by: Jezabeel | Feb 1 2022 17:53 utc | 4

There will be more waves, they will be deadly, but no one will give a fuck.

Strange language. For sure the only pandemic is only in the heads of some people. But clearly some will pretend to be serious and give a duck. This stuff is not normal.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 1 2022 17:53 utc | 5

Which "science" does b permit now? I am losing track.

1)Masks work?
2)Lockdowns work?
3)The vaccinated can't spread covid?
4)Vaccines are safe?
5)Statistics are to be trusted, especially Chinese government statistics?
6)Statistics are to be trusted, especially US government statistics?
7)"Horse medicine" is horse medicine?
8)Only covid matters, not the economy, mental health, child development or quality of life?

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ps. my wife just tested positive for covid, I get tested tomorrow
Symptoms: minor inconvenience of a cold
Vaccinated: early April 2020 with J&J

Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 17:56 utc | 6

Also regarding severity of disease. I do believe the future will give us less severe variants of Covid. Why? Its called evolution. Very severe variants would put the infected out of comission faster and for longer than a less severe variant. Remember the variants are always competing against each other. The light variants will usually win out because the infected are still socializing and out there spreading the virus longer than someone with a very severe variant.

What we really want is having always a constant flow of light variants giving us some kind of herd immunity. This will happen naturally because... evolution.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 1 2022 17:59 utc | 7


@Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 17:56 utc | 6
Vaccinated: early April 2020 with J&J
Vaccinated: early April 2021 with J&J

Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 18:00 utc | 8

Covid has certainly been a litmus test for the individual vs society.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 1 2022 18:00 utc | 9

'And the world will move on,' always has, always will..... I for one will not miss the 24/7 fear porn....quick, someone start a war... I know, more fear porn...sorry!

Cheers M


Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 1 2022 18:04 utc | 10

If a pandemic has duration of 2-3 years, it requires careful analysis what types of response is cost effective and health effective. Maximal restrictions decimate the economy that in itself causes health problems, insufficient restrictions or irrational restrictions cause harm without benefits. E.g. restriction on outdoor exercise that proliferated in the first summer of the epidemic were harmful (exercise, strolls outside, even fishing, are good for body and psychological well being, in the sun and with modicum of social distancing outdoor infections are rare and harmless).

Now we observe the trend that viruses that survived our immune systems, boosted by vaccine or not, have more extended periods of asymptomatic (thus more infective) spread and smaller lethality -- with hard to estimate balance. The case of Trudeau and truckers is interesting. On one hand, Trudeau seems a specimen of health and fitness, prime candidate to survive without symptoms. On the other hand, booster could help him too. But it seems that boosted folks can spread Omicron as efficiently as the unwaxed deplorables (e.g. truckers). Which raises the question: is there a benefit to allow unwaxed trucking within, say, Ontario and Quebec, but require vaccination to cross the border?

Another question is if the lords of healthcare in various countries increased the number of beds, equipment and personal to treat virus victims? My impression was that vaccines were envisioned to be so effective that it would not be necessary, I may be wrong.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 1 2022 18:04 utc | 11

I kind of have a feeling that I have been banned, which I am okay with. I don't have as much to offer here as most of the other folks. I have been talking about Kees van der Pijl's book, States of Emergency. It's the best think I have read about the whole Covid thing. Paul Craig Roberts reviews it here.

States of Emergency review


Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 1 2022 18:07 utc | 12

@Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 17:56 utc | 6

I should have put on the list also:

9) Harmful effects of covid outweigh long term effects of vaccine?
10) A global vaccine effort **during** a pandemic promotes the development of variations?
11) Repeated booster vaccines put the immune system at risk?

Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 18:08 utc | 13

You could fill an entire 10-volume encyclopedia with things that 'experts', officials and pundits got wrong about COVID.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Feb 1 2022 18:09 utc | 14

The suicide rate among veterans is the tip of a hellish mental health iceberg; cardi-vascular disease, diabetes, obesity, domestic violence, thousands of deaths on the road; teenage suicide.

Take a number covid. The only reason it drowns out all the rest is because it's reminded the baby boomers they ain't gonna live forever. I can just see their faces in Nigeria: "Covid? We got bigger problems, mate".

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 1 2022 18:12 utc | 15

@Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 17:56 utc | 6

For completeness I should add that we are the same age as oldhippie,
are health conscious, but a little overweight, also am active.

Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 18:16 utc | 16

As I commented, earlier Denmark has from today scrapped Covid, Sweden and Norway to follow soon.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Feb 1 2022 18:20 utc | 17

“Disturbingly, at one point he highlighted that really only the immunocompromised and elderly are not fully protected after vaccination—as if the impacts on these people were acceptable. That is a eugenic argument.”

That is the a weasely bunch of nonsense.
Pointing out who is vulnerable makes you a nazi?

A recent Pew poll showed that most liberals think an omicron infection comes with a 50\50 risk of hospitalisation. This is ridiculous for people who claim to follow the science.

Covid is now endemic. Anyone who's not had it yet has placed their risk on someone elses shoulders,these are laptop class, privileged people. I assure you none of these peoples fear is altruistic.

Posted by: Luke | Feb 1 2022 18:24 utc | 18

Which means no vaccine for me. Which makes me happy.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Feb 1 2022 18:24 utc | 19

"There will be more waves, they will be deadly,"
How can you be that sure? You simply don't know!
No need to instigate people in whichever direction. It is enough to come around with facts.

Posted by: Linus | Feb 1 2022 18:34 utc | 20

Russia gets its ass handed to it by the Hegemon at the UN Security Council, and this is what you got...b?

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/01/perilous-gulf-widens-between-russia-us-at-the-un/

Posted by: Gulo | Feb 1 2022 18:36 utc | 21

@Comandante #7
The belief that COVID will mutate toward being less deadly *may* be correct in the long run - i.e. 10 to 50 years, but in the short and medium term - it is nonsense.
Mutations are, by definition, random.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2022 18:39 utc | 22

@c1ue:
Same. May be or may be not. We don't know.
Our wording should reflect this.

Posted by: Linus | Feb 1 2022 18:52 utc | 23

US Covid update:

1/31/2022: new cases 660923
7 day rolling average: 469931

I had predicted we would see 20 million to 25 million new COVID cases from 12/26/2001 to the end of January.
The final tally is 21 million new cases of COVID from Let 'er Rip.
We went from 54M total cases over more than 18 months to 75M total cases in the last 5+ weeks.

The infection wave appears to be going down, although the absolute numbers are still higher than the winter of 2020-2021; the peak 7 day rolling average was around 250K new cases per day.

However, the deaths per day as well as the 7 day rolling average of deaths per day continues to increase:

1/31/2022: 2568 deaths
7 day rolling average: 2582 deaths

The infection ramp was around 20 days, so maybe the death ramp will be similar. We will see.

The longer term questions which I raised all the way back in March/April of 2020 remain:

Given that COVID is endemic, what is the long term plan?
Is it Let 'er Rip?

All I can say is: US government and CDC actions and words have been exceedingly incoherent - particularly under "Follow The Science" Biden and Fauci.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2022 18:52 utc | 24

It seems quite clear by this point that the over-reaction by the world to 'covid' is that 'they' knew the 'disease' was part of a bio-warfare program (which is now quite documented) and had 'escaped' from a lab. The virus really was novel in that it was 'manmade.' But, based upon a Corona virus, it turned out that many had enough preexisting t-cell immunity to resist the 'weapon' and the overall IFR is well under 1%, with more at-risk populations also well known from the beginning of the 'pandemic.'

And because this 'disease' was artificially constructed, we can't know how it will mutate and struggle to survive. That's why a 'truth commission' is needed to get to the bottom of Covid's origins, and release.

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 1 2022 18:53 utc | 25

@c1ue #22

No. You totally missed my point about evolution. Yes variants are random. But due to evolution, the lighter ones will prevail? Why? because the lighter ones will infect more people faster. If the symptoms are very mild the infected will continue to socialize and infect others. Vs a strong variant that will put the infected in bed or worse thus end the cycle.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 1 2022 19:12 utc | 26

The average age of death from covid in Australia is 84 above life expectancy 82.9 years.
I am not living in your vaccum nor are my children. Self isolate until you feel safe enough to return. Get some vitamin B,D and zinc and look after your health.
I love every other topic you cover but covid.

Posted by: Boilerman | Feb 1 2022 19:16 utc | 27

@Posted by: Gulo | Feb 1 2022 18:36 utc | 21

Alexander Mercouris has a very different take on the US tantrum at the UN, also looks like the European adults have given up on the overgrown child and its UK wannabe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUlOciVdBJw

Posted by: Roger | Feb 1 2022 19:22 utc | 28

It isn't accurate to write about "the virus" as if it is a singular disease. There are many variants. A variant that has run its course is indeed done, never again to be a big threat.

Governments, health autoriies and media who keep sounding the alarm over time become noise because they fail to point out that the risk is highly stratified. Those at greatest risk are and always have been almost entirely the very frail, the immune compromised whether by prescription drugs or poor nutrition, and the obese. The threat to them was and is exacerbated by the lack of early competent treatment and the lack of competent treatment as the disease progresses.

People with competent immune systems are done, neither seriously threatened by Covid variants nor likely to transmit it. No amount of crying wolf alters this simple fact.

Posted by: SingingSam | Feb 1 2022 19:26 utc | 29

Covid.

A view from the UK.

The main "benefit" of BREXIT was to be that the UK took back "control of it's borders". Fat lot of good that did us, our government allowed in thousands of untested carriers from infected areas in the first few weeks. Even when warned not too.

Boris had a clear policy right at the start to "let her rip" till we got to "Herd immunity", ? A policy he, never acknowledged at the time and lies about now.

He held that line until he himself went into Intensive Care with it.

If this country had taken that number of caualties in a war our entire Armed Forces, every last man and woman in all three branches would now be dead, and then some. 150,000+ dead is not trivial.

it wasn't just badly handled by the west from the start, it's being badly handled now.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 1 2022 19:29 utc | 30

The blindness to risk possessed by the “let er rip” crowd control is amazing. No person on this planet “knows” what will happen in the future. We don’t know if Covid will mutate to a more deadly version or not. We don’t know the long terms effects of catching Covid. But, because the people who own the US, UK and other nations have decided not to do what’s necessary to end the epidemic, we get “let er rip” propaganda.

We are ruled by monsters.

Posted by: TimmyB | Feb 1 2022 19:34 utc | 31

I have been reading van der Pijl's book on my Kindle in German because the Eng!ish translation is not available for Kindles. I'm on!y 11 percent through it, but so far it strikes me asexcellent.

Posted by: Lysias | Feb 1 2022 19:39 utc | 32

Posted by: Boilerman | Feb 1 2022 19:16 utc | 27

"...Self isolate until you feel safe enough to return.."
I'm in self isolation since July 2021. I'm quite positive I'll not last too long ...had a silence heart attacked 3 yr and dare not vaxx... repeatedly falls... last Sunday had another major fall in the kitchen floor, pretty bloody bruises all over... and bloody cuts on right and left hands.... not sure anyone subvariants notice another omicron found.... especial one in Yolo County home of UC Davis....good luck everyone... BTW I'm living alone

Posted by: JD | Feb 1 2022 19:43 utc | 33

And good luck to you JD.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 1 2022 19:51 utc | 34

even if you believe the company line, to downplay the grotesque collateral damage and blatant government overreach means you are about as journalistic as rupert murdoch

Posted by: Rae | Feb 1 2022 19:55 utc | 35

I take covid seriously, since I understand that they are bioweapons being released on the world.
However, it has been proven for 2 years that children are not at risk of serious infection or death from each "variant". Anyone who has recovered is now immune. People are at the greatest risk in a crowded indoor area with a sick person, but most cases have been spread inside households, not in public areas.
You can want to avoid getting covid and still not be a forced inoculation digital ID supporter.
And it should be up to each person to decide the risks they are willing to take. There is no way that a cautious person will be exposed to a reckless person if the cautious person takes precautions.
In the USA, the media and government have spread the fear and hysteria to incredible heights, but they STILL haven't instituted rules which say that a sick worker should stay home with pay. Therefore workers go to work sick, just like they always have. But the focus of the hysterical is not on sick pay policy, it is on forcing the unwilling to accept the forced inoculation.
The Omicron "variant" has been proven to be so different from the normal mutations that is almost has to be another lab creation.
At what point do we quit fighting with each other about masks and GMO injectables and start focusing on closing down all gain-of-function bioweapon research labs?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 1 2022 20:02 utc | 36

As could be seen in China with the initial break out, covid could have been stopped in its tracks but most other countries did nothing. Too late now. We went through a year or so of lockdowns and restrictions but only half baked attempts to clean it up.
masks and social distancing is no big inconvenience. Vax helps lessen severity. extra care around those susceptible and with a few basic precautions like that get on with life. If that's called let her rip - well the genie got well and truly out of the bottle in those first few months.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 1 2022 20:05 utc | 37

Let's be cynical.

I suspect, in the beginning, my Government saw some big economic benefits to ovid.

Back then it seemed to clearly hit the elderly hardest and left the economically productive workforce with little more then the sniffles.

Great, kill off Granny, get rid of the burden on the taxpayers in pension and health costs she represents. Her wealth gets transferred down to the next generation who spends it, boosting the economy, and now has her house to live in, easing the housing problem.

Meanwhile you as the Government, make sympathetic noises, ( "We feel your pain",).

I think that sort of calculation took place in many governments, at the start of this.

Posted by: DaveGoods | Feb 1 2022 20:06 utc | 38

Leonhardt is a not very bright shill for whatever various corporate powers want.

In 2011, he went on the Colbert Report and lied about Medicare (USA) and Social Security being the biggest budget items for the USA. It's the military, which doesn't include veterans affairs, the development of nuclear weapons, various "intell" agencies, and wars in the "defense" budget.

He never corrected this lie, and he was telling it at a time when Obama was trying to cut Social Security, a tiny old age pension that nearly every US worker gets.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 1 2022 20:19 utc | 39

Is it really surprising to some that people stop caring?

Germany is approaching it's 3rd year of "battling" Covid and for the most part is stuck in the loop of taking measures that have already failed to produce the desired results in the past, watch these measures fail, find excuses and retry the same thing or a slight variation of it again. It's tiring. It's especially tiring to listen to Highly Credentialed Experts explain why Germany is not perfect but actually the perfect place to be because in it's a lot worse and in people have it good but "at what cost".

Three years of Covid and our beautiful discourse about it in our beautiful democracies with freedom loving people and enlightenment values and all that shit conservatives, liberals, social democrats and anyone else from left to right love to quote has rewarded us with a gigantic mass of junk information and brain rot inducing imbecility from all of the Highly Credentialed Experts, Politicians, Journalists (like David Leonhardt) and Philosophers whose expertise, education and knowledge turned out to be mostly hot air. It's not getting better and there's no indication of even getting anywhere, as in: are we actually progressing towards some solution or are we procrastinating?

Pretending Covid is "gone" is the only way out for countries that have either no clue about how to or no intention of tackling Covid.

Posted by: pachinko | Feb 1 2022 20:21 utc | 40

@Posted by: Lysias | Feb 1 2022 19:39 utc | 32

van der Pijl has always had a very good take on how the West really works, he was one of the founders of the "Amsterdam School" of political economy, utilizing a Gramscian approach. They view the ruling elite as a specific capitalist class fraction (part of the capitalist class) or allied fractions, that dominate through a hegemonic concept of control aligned with the prevailing state of capital accumulation and class relations; capturing both the processes of intra-elite competition and cooperation.

In "States of Emergency" he sees a new set of allies coming together after the weakness of the neoliberal financialized group after 2008. This is a combination of an intelligence-IT-media grouping with a bio-technical one (coordinated through think tanks such as RAND, meeting places such as the Trilateral Commission, CFR, Bilderberg etc. and the massive "passive" hedge funds such as Blackstone and the Gates Foundations) utilizing the COVID emergency to deceive the population into accepting a much greater level of bio political control and monitoring (required to stave off the increasing levels of revolt among the population).

China is seen as the main challenger to the Western system. He does raise the issue of the US military team and the possibility of a man-made virus being transported to Wuhan through the team. I am still on the fence whether this was a natural virus that was an emergency taken advantage of, or an actual man made virus. He sees the whole COVID crisis as a new "Disaster Capitalism" (Naomi Klein's concept). The greatest possibility is that the lockdowns backfire and trigger outright revolt - maybe thats why the authorities are now trying to "get beyond COVID" as fast as possible as the "vaccines will fix it" discourse loses credibility and China has proven that it can deal with COVID much better,

I am reading the English translation on my kindle (bought from the US Amazon).

Posted by: Roger | Feb 1 2022 20:22 utc | 41

The old, sick, overweight and unhealthy will die. That's life. You can hide under your bed if you like. I refuse to live in fear. I find it hard to believe that a German would trust the edicts of an unaccountable political class?

Posted by: doctor detroit | Feb 1 2022 20:28 utc | 42

Great, kill off Granny, get rid of the burden on the taxpayers in pension and health costs she represents. Her wealth gets transferred down to the next generation who spends it, boosting the economy, and now has her house to live in, easing the housing problem.

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I think that sort of calculation took place in many governments, at the start of this.

Posted by: DaveGoods | Feb 1 2022 20:06 utc | 38

Yes, I expected a mess just like this since late January 2020, because our health care system is all about money now, and our government too.

And I have no doubt the billionaires and their minions thought they were onto a good thing (for them) from the beginning. They are, 99% of them, our "elites", dumb as a brick and lacking in all humility. Justin is just perfect of his kind, in a way. So are Nuland, and Freeland, Fauci, etc.

I see nothing to contradict that so far.

Seeing Nuland and Soros and these other pissants with money out whining in public is a treat.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 1 2022 20:32 utc | 43

>>>>>: Comandante | Feb 1 2022 17:40 utc | 1

Most time they dissapear mysteriously such as the Black Plague.

Nah unfortunately yersinia pestis, the bacteria responsible for the Black Death, is still out there infecting people in sub-Saharan Africa and Madagascar, areas that now account for over 95% of reported cases. Fortunately, modern antibiotics provide an effective treatment.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Feb 1 2022 20:34 utc | 44

@Ghost Ship

Well it was mysterious at the time :D

Same way 50 years from now humans will scratch their heads at our ineptitude and stupidity during the Covid Pandemic of the 2020s. That is if we are still around by then

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 1 2022 20:41 utc | 45

With no informed consent possible this is child abuse:

"Pfizer and partner BioNTech have begun submitting data to US regulators for authorisation of their COVID-19 vaccine in children 6 months to 4 years old, according to people familiar with the matter, hastening an effort to get shots to younger kids after the omicron wave caused pediatric infections to jump.

The companies have begun the process of seeking an emergency-use authorisation from the US Food and Drug Administration for the vaccine in those under the age of 5, according to the people, who asked not to be named as the details aren’t public..."

Posted by: Paul | Feb 1 2022 20:45 utc | 46

In case anyone cares enough about my rant at @40 | Feb 1 2022 20:21 utc: I messed up the formatting and the last sentence of the first paragraph is missing some words and this is how it should have looked like:

It's especially tiring to listen to Highly Credentialed Experts explain why Germany is not perfect but actually the perfect place to be because in *country with bad covid track record* it's a lot worse and in *country with good covid track record* people have it good but "at what cost".

Posted by: pachinko | Feb 1 2022 20:50 utc | 47

Is there anything we can say about the long-term effects of the vaccine? At first, you would say no. It's only a few years old, we just have to wait and see. But in physics there's something called the Theorem of Ergodicity. It basically boils down to: averaging over space is the same as averaging over time (one guy flipping a coin 100 times gets the same result as 100 guys flipping a coin once).

For the vaccine: lets say for the sake of argument that 1 out of 100 vaccinated persons gets myocarditis (100 measures). Now, if we take 10 people and test them once a year for 10 years (100 measures), one of them will get myocarditis (say 5 years from now). Similarly, if we take only 1 guy and follow him for 100 years (100 measures), he will get myocarditis, maybe 50 years from now.

I have no idea if ergodicity is valid in biology/medicine. I'd be curious to hear arguments for or against it. To the best of my knowledge, ergodicity is not used in biology/medicine, probably for very good reasons.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Feb 1 2022 20:56 utc | 48

I don't think reasonable people are 'done' with Covid per se.

People are 'done' with the RESPONSE to Covid.

From banning of Sputnik V and China's Sinopharm, Coronavac et al. (and vice versa) for purely political reasons, the actual health benefits of mass vaccine worldwide production and implementation be damned.

To arbitrary, politically motivated, ever changing rules and restrictions, many of which either had minimal effect or at times ran counter to best medical practices... It's all about appearances, massaging and perception!

To the hypocrisy of our leaders, so many caught flaunting the very rules they expected us all to uphold, in fact punished many of us for breaching... not to mention the loss of our privacy and freedoms, all in the name of.. what exactly?

To protect 1% of the population, which under any reasonably organised Government, could have been way better protected and cared for while we all got on our merry way, living our productive lives and happily allocating a portion of our taxes to cater to the vulnerable, isolating them, feeding them, caring for them in their homes.. but no, we all had to suffer together, and in the end, all we did was prolong and extend the course of this disease, which could have likely run through the population much faster than it did.

And then, on top of all, we all have reasonable grounds to suspect this disease was inflicted upon us by some medical or scientific accident or even malpractice.. cos you know... 'wet markets' vs right next to 'gain of function' lab theories... we can all use our imagination and apply a healthy dose of skepticism and expect to be fed a whole lot of bs on matters of global stability and massive corporate profits. We have a litany of precedents.


So.. yeah, we are really over it, in the sense that, we are looking for a new solution.

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 1 2022 20:58 utc | 49

Love this site. The one area that perplexes me is Covid coverage. It’s all completely slanted in one direction exactly like it is in the Establishment corporate media in the US.

That all said, I still support this site strongly. I never agree 100% with anyone.

Side note: I had Covid two years ago when the US said it was not here. Three weeks from hell. I just French wonder how close to death I was.

Posted by: Slat1 | Feb 1 2022 21:06 utc | 50

Posted by: Jezabeel | Feb 1 2022 17:53 utc | 4

Sorry I genuinely missed the point in that. What's going on over there with all the excess deaths that are not COVID related?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2022 21:07 utc | 51

Thank you autocorrect for adding “French” to my post🤦🏼‍♂️
Sorry for any confusion caused.

Posted by: Slat1 | Feb 1 2022 21:08 utc | 52

We have a litany of precedents.

So.. yeah, we are really over it, in the sense that, we are looking for a new solution.

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 1 2022 20:58 utc | 49

Indeed, and many if not the majority of those precedents involve the USSA unleashing biological weapons on unsuspecting populations and individuals. I don't dismiss out of hand the 'conspiracy theory' that the USSA brought COVID to China during the Military Games. Why else Trump's continued insistence on calling it the China Virus or Kung Flu? Even if Trump wasn't involved directly, I cannot rule out the possibility it was biological warfare perpetrated by Uncle Scam.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2022 21:10 utc | 53

Side note: I had Covid two years ago when the US said it was not here. Three weeks from hell. I just French wonder how close to death I was.

Posted by: Slat1 | Feb 1 2022 21:06 utc | 50

Us too. January of 2020 into February. I was only bedridden for about a day or two, but all the hallmark symptoms were there and this was way before the US was admitting it was here.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2022 21:13 utc | 54

@Comandante #26

You said

Yes variants are random. But due to evolution, the lighter ones will prevail? Why? because the lighter ones will infect more people faster.

Again, you are making assumptions.
COVID is infectious before symptoms show - literally days before.

Secondly, people don't just drop dead from COVID - it generally takes weeks for people to actually die.

Third and most important: viral load.

While in theory you can get COVID from a single virion - in reality people who catch it, are getting thousands and millions of virions. That's why COVID is transmitted most effectively in settings where infected people and not-yet-infected people are in close proximity for a long period of time.

The "evolution makes for weaker but more infectious viruses" is a theory and one not well supported by history.

The influenza virus, for example, has been around pretty much forever (1500 years minimum) yet there have been documented historical instances where it became deadly - the 1918 flu being just one example.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2022 21:21 utc | 55

@ Posted by: Slat1 | Feb 1 2022 21:06 utc | 50

I don't get it.

You recriminate this blog for being one-sided on a disease which by your own admission:

"I had Covid two years ago when the US said it was not here. Three weeks from hell. I just French wonder how close to death I was."

So by warning others that this disease is not to be messed with, while debunking opportunists and misinformed fools in support of better public awareness.... you still view this as "one-sided" reporting?

I have a question for you. (caveat, numbers are arbitrary, though somewhat reflective on my personal research on the topic at hand... wink wink)

2 Narratives:
1-X exists.
2-X does not exist.

If 90+ % of evidence and scientific research supports Narrative 1, at what point do you believe always or never reporting on 'Narrative 2' represents 'balanced' reporting?

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 1 2022 21:25 utc | 56

@DaveGoods #38

I disagree.
If any of the Western governments were ruthless enough to make that calculation, that would be one thing.
However, in reality there are plenty of "Grannies" that are old but also rich and powerful.
Furthermore, their policies have been schizophrenic: lockdowns at first to "save the people", now Let 'er Rip.
No, I'm afraid the truth is far more mundane: The "leaders" are just incompetent and self-serving.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2022 21:25 utc | 57


Beijing 2022 Olympic must watch two Americas’ Chinese..

Zhu Yi or Beverly Zhu Figure skating and Eileen Gu freestyle skier in half pipe, slope style,..... Both almost same age, born in Americunt but chooses to adopted CPC as their motherland...country...

Ironically Eileen Gu mother’s a professor in Stanford University raised her single handed with her grandmother and her fucking Americunt father dumps her mother and goes for another woman... she will do well with at least a medal.. Beverly Zhu father graduated from Harvard now a professor In UCLA a computer scientist.. Both beautiful ladies speak excellent Putonghua... or Mandarin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6O4x6ZPhwU

Cantonese language...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bo64GIwiwM

Mixed Putonghua, English..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWzOF3KuVJ8

NOTE: Putonghua is Mainlander, KouYe is ROC HwaYe SE Asian Chinese.... I am an overseas Chinese speaks and read five to six Chinese languages or deflect at different level, I prefer call them language vast different from each dialect...

Posted by: JD | Feb 1 2022 21:32 utc | 58

The average age of death from covid in Australia is 84 above life expectancy 82.9 years.
I am not living in your vaccum nor are my children. Self isolate until you feel safe enough to return. Get some vitamin B,D and zinc and look after your health.
I love every other topic you cover but covid.

Posted by: Boilerman | Feb 1 2022 19:16 utc | 27

Totally agree, what a crazy and cynical beat up we have gotten here in Australia.
Sadly this virus has ben marketed to the elderly's fear of death. But given the draconian covid policies in the west, older people living alone are in a very vulnerable position. At this point in time there is no way of knowing if the vaccine is contributing to the high death rates or any death rates in some countries. The entire process is as corrupt and unaccountable as it could possibly be.

JD | Feb 1 2022 19:43 utc | 33
I am very sorry for your situation, there must be so many in your position. Perhaps it is time to come out of isolation? It seems that the things you are suffering alone might be worse than getting this milder version of covid. I am not vaxxed due to auto immune issues and have been exposed several times already without getting covid. I have however had two diabolical bouts of flu since covid started, tested negative but I have my doubts about the results.

Keeping us living in fear seems to be quite transparently the agenda of our governments. I take all precautions, use masks and distancing when i'm in shops, take vitamins, get exercise out in the sun and otherwise refuse to succumb to fear mongering. I went to my nephews birthday party last week, lots of 30 somethings were there with babies and children, no one talked about covid, no masks or distancing or paranoia. it was so normal. I think the younger generation just ignores the media and flies under the radar. Good on them.

The longer I stay away from corporate media including our own government media here in Oz, the more obvious is the agenda when i check in. Three things are a daily given in Oz media:
1: Fear mongering about covid
2: fear mongering about Russia
3: fear mongering about China

It's not remotely possible that our governments (Scientists, bureaucrats etc) are telling us the truth about covid when they refuse to be honest about almost anything else.

I really wish for the sake of everyone's sanity that more and more people understand this and take responsibility as best we can for our own well being, including very importantly our mental and emotional well being and connectedness to other human beings. The callousness of the Covid fear messaging is what i despise the most about our "leaders".
But we already knew didn't we?

Posted by: K | Feb 1 2022 21:33 utc | 59

The problem as I see it with SARS-CoV-Mk2 is not necessarily that the virus is so deadly but that it infects a wide variety of tissues in the human body. While SARS-CoV-Mk2 was used as a bioweapon, it was designed to be a vector to deliver "patches" for gene therapy. Since genetic flaws (think sickle cell anemia or cystic fibrosis) will be present in every cell of the afflicted person's body, a generalized delivery vector that could infect as many different cell types as possible was desirable for "patching" people's genes.

It is still being debated at the moment, but it appears that SARS-CoV-Mk2 infects neurons. Loss of sense of taste and smell are the most discussed symptoms of this, but Alzheimer's-like cognitive decline are getting increased attention lately. Depending upon whose numbers you go with somewhere between 20% and a third or those infected with SARS-CoV-Mk2, even with mild symptoms, are ending up with this cognitive decline.

Yep, the term "covidiot" might soon refer to people who drew the short straw with their infection.

Even more troubling is the mounting evidence that SARS-CoV-Mk2 can reinfect the previously infected, be they vaxxed to the max or otherwise. Allowing SARS-CoV-Mk2 to become seasonal like the flu means that every year people will have to face the covid roulette and a chance of losing another chunk of their cognitive abilities.

People are going to get dumber, and it will be cumulative from year to year... compounding, even. How many years until the aggregate intellect of humanity drops too low to maintain anything resembling civilization?

I will continue to try and avoid infection, even if becoming a dumb-phuque would help reduce the anxiety of watching humanity's decline.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 1 2022 21:38 utc | 60

All I can say regarding this flu is that a person needs to boost up their immune system the best they can in case they are exposed to it. Take a Vit. D supplement. Take zinc. Eat healthy food. Lose weight. Go out and walk around.

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Posted by: lizzie dw | Feb 1 2022 21:45 utc | 61

wishful thinking by folks who want to make money. Covid is here to stay. Repeated exposure, (vaccine effectiveness falls to approx. 50% after several months-Israeli study, repeated boosters have growing issue of side effects-means at best an annual booster) by almost all in the population will result in chronic conditions in younger folks. wishful thinking that the virus will become less virulent over time--the virus will become more fit--Omicron and BA2.2 demonstrate what fitness to the virus means. In the west our covid strategy is a complete failure (1.3 million excess deaths in US--life expectancy falling by 2 years in just 2 years). Think of malaria.

Posted by: wobblie | Feb 1 2022 21:46 utc | 62

@Posted by: Robert Macaire | Feb 1 2022 20:56 utc | 48

But in physics there's something called the Theorem of Ergodicity. It basically boils down to: averaging over space is the same as averaging over time


You are comparing a mechanical event with all relevant conditions known with medical events that have only maybe 10% input data known. It’s not comparable.

I was once watching a guy in San Francisco harbor throwing popcorn in the air and then catching it by his mouth.
He was very successful the first several times until seagulls showed up. Every time he throws popcorn they would catch it in the air.

By your theorem, if 100 guys throw popcorn only once, they would all be successful. But if one guy tried to do it 100 times, he would be successful only a few times at the very beginning.

Posted by: Haman's 10th Son | Feb 1 2022 21:49 utc | 63

This site went a long time calling anyone question the narrative covid idiots. Do not dare to mention ivermectin even though 22 nations now use the drug to combat covid. All of a sudden the media narrative was fully accepted in the case of covid and rejected in all other instances.

The media pushed covid harder than the usual war push. My guess is that the pharmacy companies will make more money off the long term side effects of multiple shots than off the shots themselves.

We knew it was real; we questioned the data, the technology of the shot, the media narrative, the czar Fauchi who changed is story weekly, the response, the destruction of small businesses and much more.

I am old, I got it, my children brought over ivermectin that they were given by a hospital contractor. I got sick, I got over it, I got threatened with firing and I told them to shove it. I did not take the new technology vaccine and never will. They never fired me.

All in all bullshit rules.

Posted by: circumspect | Feb 1 2022 21:51 utc | 64

@Robert Macaire #48
Ergodicity was popularized by Taleb, but people and health aren't financial products.

The concern of people who are cautious about the mRNA vaccines is not myocarditis. Myocarditis occurs in people who have COVID as well as people who get vaccinated.

Strictly speaking, there appear to be fewer cases in people who get vaccinated vs. getting COVID w/o vaccination.
But myocarditis is by no means the worse thing that can happen.

The mRNA tech relies on an artificial RNA codon to ensure that stray bits of mRNA from vaccine manufacture, which are unavoidable and present in the vaccine, don't interact in the body. This mRNA tech assumption was 100% untested over time or space prior to COVID vaccine deployment - and all those vaccinated are now the subjects of a widespread, worldwide study.

So while I will first stipulate that the likelihood of a severe negative effect from mRNA vaccines is probably low - the problem is that the economic/health/quality of life impact of any effect is magnified if you start jabbing children and not at risk, working age people with it.

So the issue from my view is not ergodicity. Ergodicity is actually in play since over 4 billion people are now "fully vaccinated" - time or test space means we would see immediate effects fairly quickly.

But immediate effects like myocarditis aren't the only effects possible.

The movie "Children of Men" is a sci-fi story predicated on a cancer vaccine which turns out to sterilize people.

What if the mRNA vaccines cause significant fertility reduction in children once they grow into adulthood?

What if the mRNA vaccines increase the frequency or severity of certain types of cancer?

What if the mRNA vaccines increase the chance of Alzheimer's? or other adult onset diseases/disorders?

The list of possible effects is unlimited.

It is extremely doubtful anyone would see these types of effects with less than 1 year of data, regardless of the population size.

So the principle that is more important, IMO, is risk vs. reward.

For children, there is virtually zero risk from COVID. Overall effect is higher since children can spread COVID like they do other diseases, but still isn't high because people with kids are almost exclusively in the low risk zone (under 50). Only if Granny is living with them, is children spreading really a major factor.

Note I'm highlighting that the *absolute* risk of dying from COVID is extremely low for children. The vaccine makers and the panic mongers are very careful to always stress the *relative* risk.

The CDC's own data show the chance for hospitalization for children 5-11, for example, is between 10 and 50 per 100,000. That's 0.01% to 0.05% chance of hospitalization for a child aged 5-11 from COVID.

For mortality, the numbers are even lower. The overall rate is 0.2 per 100,000 = 0.0002% chance of a child aged 5-11 dying from COVID. A total of 66 children aged 5-11 died from COVID in the US in the 1 year from 10/2020 to 10/2021.

source

So the equation for vaccination is some reduction of a 0.0002% chance of dying from COVID. Even if it is 90% effective in preventing COVID deaths, the absolute effect is basically zero at a societal level (59 deaths prevented).
I should also note that the comorbidities of the children who died are, unsurprisingly, things like obesity and chronic lung disease.

To me, the benefit (maximum 59 deaths prevented, likely much much less) vs. the possibility of harm inflicted (unquantifiable) does not justify mandating vaccines for all children ages 5-11.

If people want to do it, fine but there is no reason to take on the unquantified risk.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 1 2022 21:53 utc | 65

Having followed your Covid coverage and positioning, you like the "experts" and the powerful have climbed so far up the tree that you cannot reverse course, admit perhaps you were over zealous or mistaken and climb back down. There is always just more doom and gloom in the offing.

Humans want to control everything and cannot admit that they are not in control of everything. Pandemics will come and go and humans will never be immune to death. The one debt ALL must pay at some point in time.

Live every day like it is your last, make peace with yourself and enjoy the life we are each given to the fullest!

Posted by: James Cook | Feb 1 2022 21:54 utc | 66

When it comes to Covid, I really feel like I'm stuck in World War I. It was supposed to be a quick campaign, all over by Christmas. But it didn't work out that way. So now we're all stuck in the trenches and the only plan the generals can come up with is to go over the top and do a mass charge at the enemy trenches. Only that doesn't work because everyone gets mowed down by machine gun fire. But that's the only thing the generals can think of, so we keep doing it over and over again, even though by now everyone knows it doesn't work.

Like Peter AU1 (Feb 1 2022 20:05 utc | 37), I once thought if governments acted quickly at the beginning, we might have been able to stop the whole thing in its tracks. I mean, the Chinese response seemed to support that. But, if Covid was already present in North America and Europe before the outbreak in Wuhan (which seems to be the case), then it was already too far spread for that to work.

So, what do we know about Covid now?

It mutates readily, so we're always going to get new variants. Given natural selection these will probably be more infectious but less deadly. But there's no guarantee of that. It should be the long term trend in Covid's evolution, but long term trends don't predict short term developments.

It's not human specific. It can infect other species. So, even if we eliminate it in humans, it has natural reservoirs from which it can come back and reinfect populations. And it's not as if there's been any concerted effort to vaccinate the entire human population. Look at Israel. The Israelis are on their (I think) fourth dose of vaccine, but that doesn't apply to the Palestinian population who live right next door and many of whom come into Israel to work. The notion that that an under-vaccinated Palestinian population constitutes a reservoir for the virus, from which it can reemerge and reinfect Israeli's doesn't seem to have occurred to them.

The vaccines that we've developed don't stop transmission. There are arguments that vaccination may slow it down, but more infectious variants compensate for that, so the vaccines don't slow it down enough.

So, we're in a situation in we have to learn to live with Covid. Vaccinations are important, but so is developing treatments for when people catch it - and people will catch it.

Of course, when someone says we have to learn to live with it and total victory is not possible, they get vilified. It's like they're defeatists and giving aid and comfort to the enemy. If we just stamp out that sort of negative thinking, victory is still possible. If only people like Joe Rogan would stop interviewing people who offer different points of view, we'd all be of one mind and through sheer will power and determination we can still wipe out this virus. It's a weird moral panic.

When people say they're over Covid, I don't know if they mean the virus or that attitude. But, for me, I'm over that attitude. Like I said, it's like being stuck in WWI and knowing all we have to look forward to is another doomed charge.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 1 2022 21:54 utc | 67

Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 1 2022 20:02 utc | 36

Up until two nights ago I too was a bit complacent about children, until a chance inquiry about a toddler with COVID ie how was the child affected, got the reply - not well in and out of hospital.

Now I am sick to the stomach since Ii know my little grandchilden of similar age are certain to be exposed.

Quite clearly where I live there is now a deliberate herd immunity approach and I now accept that i will get it, as will all my family members. To be honest I do not think I will truly relax again until all my friends and family have had the disease and recovered.

I can only hope that the vaccines do in fact reduce the risk of death for us oldies at least (it was never a huge concern for the young) but I live now in fear.

Now living in Qld where i do I spent 2020 and 2020 practically living a normal life. Some short lockdowns but by and large I was not alarmed. Life went on normally. Theatres, movies, restaurants.

Since December 2021, different story and now I am scared. The great economic recovery has not occurred as people have voted with their feet. Pubs are shut at night (unbelievable), places are closing etc. Tourists have not returned. I suspect that the worst affected are in suburban places where an older clientele is dominant. No one wants to be responsible for spreading the disease to a good friend or take the risk of catching it.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 1 2022 21:55 utc | 68

The Omicron "variant" has been proven to be so different from the normal mutations that is almost has to be another lab creation. At what point do we quit fighting with each other about masks and GMO injectables and start focusing on closing down all gain-of-function bioweapon research labs?
wagelaborer | 36 This^ The omnicron variant is not a descendant from delta or any of the “family tree” descendants. It harks right back to the original release. A bit like if a full genetic sibling of your great great great great great great grandparent suddenly was born. But this time they made omnicron as extremely contagious, which has wiped out delta and the other variants. Of course people are dying from omnicron. People have always died of “the flu”. The reason for “let it rip”…. the injection of mRNA technology into a large majority of the world’s population has been achieved. Just as those of us who knew sarscov2 was a gain of function lab release in very early 2020, those of us who understand the real purpose of the mRNA technology will eventually again be proven correct. Unfortunately. Because the mRNA path for humanity leads to places people would not agree to if they were truly given the option of consent.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 1 2022 21:58 utc | 69

Dave Goods makes a wise observation, and it's one that Brazil's finance minister made out loud.
They did indeed use the virus to kill off many of the elderly. Not the rich elderly, the elderly in nursing homes in four Democrat states. It was a deliberate decision to put sick patients into nursing homes instead of using the field hospitals the federal government sent.
Biden's first "woman" Sec of Health undersecretary was in charge of the Pennsylvania response. He took his own mother out of her nursing home before he made the decision to send sick patients to nursing homes, along with other Democrat governors. For this act of mass murder he is rewarded by the Biden administration.
Cause they care.
Bubonic plague is back in homeless camps in Los Angeles, but there is no attempt made to mitigate the filthy conditions thousands of people are living in.
Cause they care.
The virus was probably circulating in the US before China recognized and isolated it in late Dec. 2019. We know that the CDC shut down Ft. Dietrick in August of that year. We know a large number of nursing home patients had died in July of that year in Virginia. We know that young men were dying of a strange lung disease they blamed on "vaping". We know that 4 soldiers sent to the Military Games in Wuhan were hospitalized there with a strange respiratory illness in November. We know that a lot of people were very sick in the fall/winter of 2019/2020, but tested negative for influenza.
Every single action taken by the US government and many governments around the world was worthless or counterproductive, except for in China, but we're supposed to think that the mass lockdowns, the forced inoculations, the digital IDs, the medical apartheid, the masking of children, etc. is because they care?
Yeah, right.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 1 2022 22:00 utc | 70

To JD, K and William Gruff

I am not a doctor or a health professional but it has been my education about Covid that has brought me to believing that we have sufficient drugs to combat Covid, but not a humanistic form of social organization within which to do so.


Get on Ivermectin as a prophylaxis would be my suggestion to reduce your chances of infection and/or serious complications.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 1 2022 22:01 utc | 71

@K | Feb 1 2022 21:33 utc | 59

Well said, I agree. You can add "climate change" (formerly "global warming") to your list. Once you discover you are being lied to in one area, let's say invasion of Iraq or supposed Russian invasion of Ukraine, it is irrational to trust the same people in any area.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 1 2022 22:02 utc | 72

Et Tu | Feb 1 2022 20:58 utc | 49

I don't think reasonable people are 'done' with Covid per se.

People are 'done' with the RESPONSE to Covid.

I agree. Especially with your observations about the hypocrisy of those insisting on restrictions then blatantly flaunting those very same restrictions. If they're obviously not taking it seriously, one wonders why everyone else is expected to.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 1 2022 22:06 utc | 73

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 1 2022 21:38 utc | 60

LOL that made me think of Idiocracy. OPENING SCENE

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2022 22:24 utc | 74

Sorry c1ue,

Not only would the Treasuries of just about every country have made exactly that calculation, every insurance company in the planet make such calculations daily.


And in my country (UK) it was, "Let her rip" at the beginning, switching to "Throw everything at Covid", after the Prime Minister ended up in intensive care with it.

As I remember it, the reactions of almost all Western countries at the beginning was too trivialise the whole thing as just another type of flu.

Posted by: DaveGood | Feb 1 2022 22:31 utc | 75

watcher 68

I had read a few weeks ago, the majority of people hospitalized in Queensland had the delta variant rather than omicron. I would guess that is also spreading here along with the omicron but rarely is the variant percentages of those hospitalized given.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 1 2022 22:42 utc | 76

When Omicron was first marketed to us we were told it had a retransmission rate of 7 to 10. No one knows what the numbers mean. No one wants to know what the numbers mean. No one can do numbers. So instead let me tell you what the practical effects of that retransmission rate would be. It means you are going to be infected. The only way to avoid infection would be wearing a moon suit 24/7 while living in a BSL4 laboratory. And you would still be infected. Might take a little longer, you would be infected.

Of course they were lying. Official information is always false. Readers of this blog have figured out that when the topic is politics, official information is always false. Same applies here. Watching how very rapidly Omicron spreads it likely has a retransmission rate of 3, possible even 4. Which is extremely high. This means if you wore that moon suit and lived in that BSL4 lab you might avoid COVID for quite a while. But in the end you would be infected.

The mask is meaningless. The social distancing is meaningless.The alleged quarantining and supposed isolation are meaningless. If this were alpha or beta or delta, claimed to have an Rt of 3 but in reality with an Rt of 1.2, then there would be some case for the silly things we do. Not a good case, but some case. There would be half of a good case for using these measures for two weeks to flatten the curve.

Let Er Rip is not the practical thing to do. It is what is happening no matter what we do. Are there people reading here who have not had Omicron yet? You will. If another month goes by and you are not infected you are not and never were going to be infected. Some will have that kind of resistance. And then they will roll out a new variant.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 1 2022 23:00 utc | 77

Posted by: lizzie dw | Feb 1 2022 21:45 utc | 61

All I can say regarding this flu is that a person needs to boost up their immune system the best they can in case they are exposed to it. Take a Vit. D supplement. Take zinc. Eat healthy food. Lose weight. Go out and walk around.

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Ha ha ha
you would think that most of the human race would have figured that out by now.
All this goes to show ya is humans are slow learners.

Posted by: Jinn | Feb 1 2022 23:09 utc | 78

Never ceases to amaze me how good b is at spotting narrative control almost everywhere but falls for this one hook line and sinker.

Posted by: DF | Feb 1 2022 23:14 utc | 79

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 1 2022 21:54 utc | 67

The notion that that an under-vaccinated Palestinian population constitutes a reservoir for the virus, from which it can reemerge and reinfect Israeli's doesn't seem to have occurred to them.
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I'm sorry folks but that strikes me as the most perfect example of karma.
They really should of called this virus karma.

Posted by: Jinn | Feb 1 2022 23:24 utc | 80

@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2022 22:24 utc | 74

Watched it thanks! And am smarter for having done so.

Well, maybe BigPharma has a stupid plan.
That is, a plan (that makes them lots of money) to fix covid-stupid.

Before this one is declared "horse medicine" maybe you should consider
stockpiling a bottle for when you need it (and can legally still get it).
If, of course, you can remember where you put it.

Coluracetam fixes damaged mice brains. Which, after you have had covid enough times
should be just about what the doctor orders.

Wonder what Pfizer will name their covid-stupid drug?

Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 23:42 utc | 81

Dare I?

At what point does another coronavirus cease being a 'variant ' and simply be another one of the hundreds that have infected humanity for 1000s of years?

On what basis is the pandemic over?

Especially since there are no number thresholds for calling it a pandemic in the first place

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 1 2022 23:49 utc | 82

@Boilerman | Feb 1 2022 19:16 utc | 27

The average age of death from covid in Australia is 84 above life expectancy 82.9 years.

The Aus Fed Health Dept gives the median, not average, age of COVID death as of 16/01/22 as: "median age of deaths is 82 years (range: 5 to 106 years)".

The median age is coming down as you'd expect after Scomo's idiotic summer of "Let 'er rip" led by the Tories in Sydney ... with Aus infection rates per 100k up there at the top of the pack with France.

And just so you know, 'median' of 82 years means just over half of those who've died of COVID in Aus were under the average life expectancy of 82.9.

Yes it's a pandemic illness in the process of becoming endemic – yes our hospital systems will evolve to deal with the increased annual death rates as they did with influenza post WW2 – yes vaccines and the rest appear to help with hospitalisation rates – yes we're all guinea pigs testing the possible long terms effects of COVID infection and/or vaccines – and finally, yes we can rely on our various elites to take advantage of the crisis for their various, competing self-interests!

Bernhard's coverage here has been, for me, balanced and sober, as opposed to the fevered ruminations of the critically impaired.

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Feb 1 2022 23:50 utc | 83

Which is why an EARLY ANTI-VIRAL TREATMENT REGIME needs to be put in place and constantly updated. Instead it's vax and only vax 24/7/365!

Two of my stepmother's fully vaxed and booster-ed friends died. Though both cases were caught early [both knew-about/asked for and both were denied Monoclonal ABs]. Each case ended in intensive care for ~ 3 weeks. Let's see...an effective $2,000.00 TREATMENT vs an agonizing $150,000.00+ death march all because, we can't offer anti-viral treatment due to a recent small FDA invitro study...sweet huh?

That invitro study saved the day for big-pharma because effective treatments meant that vax venders might soon have to relinquish their emergency use license and start to do the legwork other vaccines have always faced. Anything to make those shekels roll in...hoo-rah.

Posted by: S Brennan | Feb 1 2022 23:52 utc | 84

In a speech delivered Sunday in Brussels, Holocaust survivor Vera Sharav described the striking parallels between what she witnessed as a child in Nazi-controlled Romania, and COVID policies being enacted today by governments around the globe.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vera-sharav-never-again-is-now-unless-we-all-resist/

Posted by: s4bj | Feb 1 2022 23:55 utc | 85

o/t: global energy crunch, another warning sign

https://tass.com/economy/1396223

Posted by: ptb | Feb 1 2022 23:56 utc | 86

Timmy B @ 31 said;"We are ruled by monsters."

wagelabor @36 said; "At what point do we quit fighting with each other about masks and GMO injectables and start focusing on closing down all gain-of-function bioweapon research labs?"

All the above need attention folks.

JD @ 33; Best of all things to ya' JD. Hang in there!!!

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 2 2022 0:09 utc | 87

Peter AU1 @ 37 said in part;"social distancing is no big inconvenience. Vax helps lessen severity. extra care around those susceptible and with a few basic precautions like that get on with life."


Yep, works for me and mine Peter....

Others should do as they see fit.

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 2 2022 0:18 utc | 88

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 1 2022 22:02 utc | 72

Right, or
Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me.

Posted by: blueswede | Feb 2 2022 0:20 utc | 89

Thanks, important.
This time I dispense with reading all comments.
Please give her a name: Melody Schreiber done it!

Posted by: Jan | Feb 2 2022 0:23 utc | 90

In the NZ government statistics, and despite frequent full lockdowns, 26 people died WITH covid in 2020 (almost all very old with comorbities). In 2021 it was less than a dozen, and one of those was gunned down in Auckland with 3 bullets in his chest (maybe they were tipped with covid).
Conversely, according to Otago University, around 500 New Zealanders die from flu every year (source link: https://www.otago.ac.nz/otagomagazine/issue45/inbrief/otago664450.html)
I worked 25 years in disease id and infectious diseases clinical research and have a related Masters (MSc). I am not a conspiracy theorist nor anti vax but I do believe and trust in the study of data.

Posted by: TEP | Feb 2 2022 0:33 utc | 91

Tom Q Collins @ 54 said;

"Us too. January of 2020 into February. I was only bedridden for about a day or two, but all the hallmark symptoms were there and this was way before the US was admitting it was here."

Me too, only my "flu" experience began Nov. 2019. Worst ever, massive lung congestion, 4 days with little or no sleep. After that a slow recovery. Covid? Who knows...

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 2 2022 0:39 utc | 92

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 2 2022 0:39 utc | 92

Yeah I've heard other friends say they thought they had it too. Sounds like you're in LA, so I completely believe it was possible. I've told the story here before, but from early to mid January of 2020 we flew to LA with a stopover in Phoenix, stayed one night in a downtown hotel then took an Amtrak up to San Luis Obispo, rented a car and a hotel there and then drove up to Santa Maria followed by Big Sur, Monterey, San Francisco and Oakland. Flying out of Oakland with another stop in Phoenix, the airports were 1) packed, 2) full of people coughing and sneezing. While in Califas, we used the aforementioned rental car, the train, a bus to Muir Woods which was also packed, and walked around in a very crowded Sausalito. Blah blah blah, but I'm positive it was COVID despite not being able to ever prove it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2022 0:48 utc | 93

It's really funny, you know. My mother has been telling me how even when she was a child in the 50s, the Communists used to warn them how the Americans will come over and try to spread diseases among the population. When I was a child in the 1970s, the Communists used to warn us the exact same thing.
But the Chinese forgot this and let the Americans come into China, and set up bio weapon laboratories as long as the Americans paid them. And the Chinese would let all sorts of Americans go into China and travel all over China unsupervised. Did they forget the basics? Did they got greedy???? I KNOW the Chinese are Asia's joos, but man...
I'm quite shocked these days you know, by what BOTH the Russians and Chinese gov says. They are all shocked and surprised that their beloved partner, the West is trying to start Cold War II with them even to the point of a hot war. Is there some type of fundamental difference in the thinking of Russia and Chinese people and Western people? Having lived in both places, I'd say categorically YES. The West teaches their kids that "it's a dog eat dog world", "winner takes everything". That doesn't appear to be the case for China and Russia. They better get really united and get their shit together or the West/USA/NATO will whip their asses. The fake "Covid pandemic" was stage 1. Stage 2 is now Russia. Stage 3 will be a hot war against China. I fully expected that once the fake "Covid pandemic" "is over", USA will begin to harass Russia.
obviously Covid was a fake virus, designed to disrupt China's economy, to kill off as many elders as possible in the west and to test people's behavior.
And BTW, while y'all try to show off here how smart you is, I bought me some Pfizer stock the minute they created the "Covid vaccine". I made me some good cash.

And YES, Putin the Pussy is still a pussy who is now stuck. But hey, that's what happens when you're a pussy.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Feb 2 2022 0:50 utc | 94

Posted by: librul | Feb 1 2022 23:42 utc | 81

Funny you mentioned coluracetam. I just ordered some from here. I've actually not tried it before, have you and if so did you notice any improvement? Also do you have a better source? I've been ordering from Cognitive Nutrition since before they changed their name after one of the founders died an untimely death about a decade ago.

https://www.cognitivenutrition.com/vivid-recall-coluracetam-20-mg-60-capsules-potent-memory-enhancer/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2022 0:54 utc | 95

I will keep this short.
I have an RN and an MD in my family.
It’s way too soon to develop any conclusions about this coronavirus.
This week I discovered some information about viruses, from Zach Bush MD.
His conclusions make infinitely more sense than anything that I have heard from government persons, media hacks, or the other collections of Covid commenters.
I’m 64, but in generally good health.
Dropped 135 pounds since last Super Bowl Sunday.
I am confident that this virus is naturally occurring.
Currently, vaccination is not a good idea.
Big pharma, and their lapdogs in govmint are hyping this thing to make money.
I have received the miracle Moderna two step.
I wish that I hadn’t done that.
Read Dr. Bush’s stuff, and watch videos related to Covid, and decide for yourself.
The ruskies would eat us pansy ass USAers for lunch.
Trump is, and always has been a jackass.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Feb 2 2022 0:54 utc | 96

Posted by: S Brennan | Feb 1 2022 23:52 utc | 84

Sorry to hear about your stepmother's friends. In the last 2 weeks I've known of two people who also died of COVID. In Texas they are apparently not giving monoclonal antibodies right now because apparently they've run out of the stuff that works on the new variant(s).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2022 0:56 utc | 97

everybody pull out their dollar bills and look whose name comes after the words "Property of" and note that it ain't your name there, yet you gotta have this to fart in the US. so "independenty owned and operated" anything is a joke, right? something something workers and the means of production something something. Jesus H.

someone tweeted a priceless quote from G Soros earlier. now Soros and people like him have made their living doing the following kind of experiment, and getting...more filthy rich during the virus:

which species will respond to having money thrown at it? is it:
1) sheep
2) viruses
3) people

how many trucks show up on a border proves what about the virus again?

btw, neither the effectiveness nor purpose of vaccination was at issue when the 12 and under went back to school. there was only one issue: indifference to what exposure means to people, children, in order to return as fast as possible to the nightmare called the "normal". and people want to go back to this!

and there are 2 groups of people on coronavirus: those who accept China's policy, and those who ignore or in some way deride it by claiming it is false. But mostly people like Norwegian, c1ue, oldhippie, et al, they just ignore it. and what kinds of unending convoys of utter bullshit they drive thru that gigantic self made blackhole of their own willed ignorance and denial. it's like watching the movie "event horizon", without the comedy elements. 1.4 billion awoke again today, w/not one person dead from the virus. and they got more than 50 people in some of those classrooms in China, so i hear.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 2 2022 0:59 utc | 98

it's like watching the movie "event horizon", without the comedy elements

"Event Horizon" had comedy elements?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2022 1:04 utc | 99

$efty 96

Thats got to be satire from an american. Somewhat difficult to achieve when america and the anglosphere is an ongoing satire show. Brits used to have some good political satires but politics out paced them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 2 2022 1:06 utc | 100

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