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February 11, 2022
When Cruelty Is The Point – U.S. Decides To Kill More Afghan People

Last summer, after decades of killing Afghans in Afghanistan, the U.S. government decides to move its occupation forces out of that country.

The operation was badly prepared, (or intentionally sabotaged by the Pentagon), and ended in chaos. More than 120,000 Afghans, most of them higher educated ones, were also taken abroad. This alone was severely damaging to Afghanistan.

The U.S. also froze the $7+ billion reserve funds of the central bank of Afghanistan which have been held in New York. This is the Afghan peoples money. Part of the total funds are reserves that private Afghan banks had deposited with the central bank. It is money that ordinary Afghan people had deposited at those private banks.

Now the Biden administration, ignoring the various owners of those funds, has decided to steal all of them.

This is vengefulness at the most inhuman level:

President Biden will start to clear a legal path for certain relatives of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to pursue $3.5 billion from assets that Afghanistan’s central bank had deposited in New York before the Taliban takeover, according to officials familiar with internal deliberations.

At the same time, Mr. Biden will issue an executive order invoking emergency powers to consolidate and freeze all $7 billion of the total assets the Afghan central bank kept in New York and ask a judge for permission to move the other $3.5 billion to a trust fund to pay for immediate humanitarian relief efforts and other needs in Afghanistan, the officials said.

Afghanistan is in dire need of those reserve funds.

As its central bank had no access to the funds it could not intervene when the Afghan currency devaluated after the U.S. and its minions had fled. It has made it impossible for the government and the people to acquire food from abroad. The United Nations and many other organization have warned that millions of people in Afghanistan are in imminent danger of dying for lack of food. A new huge wave of refugees is fleeing the country and is likely to destabilize its neighbors.

It was a bad move to freeze that money. It is unscrupulous to steal it. It also illegal under U.S. law which is why the Biden administration decided to fudge it:

It is highly unusual for the United States government to commandeer a foreign country’s assets on domestic soil. Officials are said to have discussed a two-part legal process for Mr. Biden to engineer that outcome.

First, he would use emergency powers under a provision of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to “direct and compel” that a foreign country’s assets in the United States be moved to a segregated account. That would block them, but the Afghanistan central bank would still own them.

Second, officials have discussed then using a provision of the Federal Reserve Act that permits disposing of property belonging to the central bank of a foreign nation — so long as it has the blessing of someone the secretary of state has recognized as being “the accredited representative” of that foreign country.

But deciding who qualifies as such a person, at a time when Afghanistan’s former government no longer exists, has raised significant complications. It remained unclear what solution Biden administration officials had settled on and whether the name of any person or people they deem as such would be disclosed for security reasons, like possibly endangering family members still in Afghanistan.

The 'accredited representative' will simply be claimed to exist and to have given 'the blessing' but will never be named.

To give money that is owned by Afghanistan's central bank and is needed to help Afghan people to relatives of people who died in 9/11 is completely unjustified. The Taliban who are now ruling Afghanistan are not the same ones who ruled the country previously. Moreover no Taliban ever knew beforehand that 9/11 was planned by some people who at that time lived in Afghanistan. They are not responsible for 9/11.

Moreover the money is simply not theirs. Central bank assets are owned by the central bank not by a ruling government of whatever kind. The U.S. Federal Reserve is not holding Democrats or Republican money nor is the Afghan central bank holding Taliban money.

In an interview, Dr. Mehrabi — who is also an economics professor at Montgomery College in Maryland [and a longtime member of the Afghan central bank board] — contended that the central bank should be seen as independent of the now Taliban-led Afghan government. He said that many civil servants there knew how to run the bank, and that depriving the bank of the funds it needed to maintain price stability would lead to runs on commercial banks, mass defaulting on loans and ultimately broader disaster.

“You’re talking about moving toward a total collapse of the banking system,” he said. “I think it’s a shortsighted view.”

But an administration official familiar with the government deliberations argued that the “sad reality” was that even if the central bank regained access to the assets in New York and moved them all into Afghanistan for one last injection of capital, it would not solve the deeper structural problems that have sent the country’s economy spiraling into ruin.

The Afghan people shall just die from the 'structural problems' that have been caused by the U.S. occupation, its abrupt end, and are now caused by the theft of  their money.

Comments

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 4:36 utc | 101
You disagree??? Maybe finish reading the rest of my post and you’ll see that your point was the one I was making (facepalm…)

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 12 2022 4:49 utc | 101

@ 94: Your statement is TRUTH to any discerning adult that’s truly informed.
Wear your shunning as a badge of honor…

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 12 2022 4:52 utc | 102

vetinLA | Feb 12 2022 4:47 utc | 103

I’m referring to U$A mid-terms. Anti-vaxers and anti-government folks reside here too.

Hence my description of you as parochial.
There’s a whole world out there. Many aspects of which are frequently discussed on this very blog.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 12 2022 5:09 utc | 103

It is not unusual for the USA to make the rules as they see fit.
[A] Laws, and rules domestically no longer have any validity, and [B] international treaties are used when it provides advantage, and discarded when they do not.
Combined, [A] and [B] clearly show a nation in chaos where there are no rules, no structures, and very little in the way of law.
As I see it, the United States is like this big thrashing monster, and it is trying desperately to cling to power and relevance. But it is failing at every level, and that is why it is engaged in World War III right now. The opening salvos hit this month, and they are concerning…
https://metallicman.com/sitrep-on-the-emerging-actions-of-world-war-iii/

Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Feb 12 2022 5:34 utc | 104

The deal will already have been done. When our kids were teenagers, Mum and Dad went with them, and sometimes one two of their friends. Once it got a bit embarassing, becaus my Son’s Girlfriend (both 15) had exactly the same name on the same flight from Gatwick We had never seen this girl before in our life – who are you?? Can we have my Son’s Girlfriend Back Please, whilst my daughter is pissing herself laughing, but it was his turn to take a friend.
You see, you have absolutely no idea, what is going to happen next in your life. I started off with nowt It was my job when I was 7, got home from school alone in the snow. First one home, to get the coal fire going.
I read pepe escobars book, under an olive grove in a Greek Island with my wife and kids and friend.
We couldn’t believe it when we arrived, so went again the next year (Basically our kids grew up mainly in The Greek Islands – a few Spanish too
Pipelanistan? First Read Pepe Escobar he is from Brazil and knows everything about Pipes and Energy. I personally would recommend him as an advisor to The British Governent. I trust him. He’s not Bent.

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Feb 12 2022 5:36 utc | 105

“This is the Afghan peoples money. Part of the total funds are reserves that private Afghan banks had deposited with the central bank. It is money that ordinary Afghan people had deposited at those private banks.”
It was a no-brainer when they pulled out last year in an apparent withdrawl shambles.
Fact-check (or fat-cheque?): Much of this money was clearly the siphon-off of the 20-year Smedley D. Butler war-racket. And the broad purpose was to surely shift military junk from the crowded US warehouses at premium contract-provider prices and thus keep the USA economy going, “…stupid!” etc.
So, the rationalization in this fraud-triangle scam (*) is: these are the $funds for payment of military junk and service deliveries under the previous ‘legitimate’ (in our eyes) government of Kabul etc. Similar logic to Iran in post-1979 revolution and that ratbag faux Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
It surely is money that ordinary Afghan people need but what would the criminal Clinton “we came, we saw, he died” regime (2.0) care about that?
A sad state of affairs, indeed.
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(*) – see Donald R. Cressey (1953), well-known criminologist, developed the Fraud Triangle.

Posted by: imo | Feb 12 2022 6:13 utc | 106

Remind me again what the price tag was for all that military gear the US left behind during their hasty egress. $50 billion? Perhaps the Taliban can start auctioning that stuff off, to any and all takers, until they’ve recovered the $7B that US crimelords have stolen.

Posted by: rockstar | Feb 12 2022 7:14 utc | 107

Anti-vax is a strategy, used by the democrats to denigrate their opponents. As far as running on an anti-vax platform, that wouldn’t work here in the states, it isn’t a popular opinion.
The state of the economy is what most voters are concerned about, inflation and rising housing costs. Most people don’t want the rest of the country to look like California.
The increasing chaos and crime hurts Biden and the Dems, although both parties are responsible.
As far as stealing from Afghanistan…par for the course. The people of Afghanistan have rid themselves from the neocolonial yoke, and in the long run will be better off for it regardless of what happens to those frozen funds.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 12 2022 7:17 utc | 108

@John V. Doe | Feb 11 2022 22:08 utc | 73
“Note that the oligarchs stole this money from Russia and from Russians in general”
This is the part which Moscow likes to talk about, but I think it’s not that simple. People like Usmanov are in good standing with the Kremlin, but they’re also completely integrated with City elites and donate to the Tory party. (Please correct me where applicable.) London talking about moving on these folks for real, and Moscow talking about a final break with the West, is a war of words that suits both sides–and nothing more.
That said, I love it when London talks dirty like this. Money laundering is one of the few remaining businesses keeping the lights on in Britain, besides arms sales. In raising tensions to this level, in order to boost the latter they’re slowly killing the former. It’s not like Blighty could survive on fishing and rock ‘n roll.
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@uncle tungsten | Feb 11 2022 23:43 utc | 78
“Speaking with forked tongue is to be expected from the US ‘government’, but the level of contradiction between these two is noted.”
Why the surprise? “Negotiating from a position of strength” is the stated policy after all. If the world would work as we want, then with the orcs out Afghanistan could’ve fruitfully engaged with China, with short-term humanitarian aid and long-term resource trade–both on a massive scale. Almost nothing got done, because for a “regional solution” you’d need a minimum of consensus or at least good will between Taliban-India-China-Pakistan. Well keep dreaming; and frankly this is not the West’s fault. So the talibs engage their old enemy, as they’ve always said they would once the latter’s soldiers had left. All these are in the article you quote.
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@tucenz | Feb 11 2022 22:56 utc | 75
“Then a few days later on VV Putin’s birthday there were precise missile strikes from the Caspian 1250km away. (2500km range missiles”
Groan, not with the toys again. This was the old, old discussion of SouthFront. Whenever the Empire did something real, like downing an SAA plane or incinerating those Wagner troops, offing a Russian general for chrissakes, then Russia would launch Kalibr’s against some cheap jihadi trash they could’ve just bombed for 1/10th of the cost. “See? We could do something real (move against the principals not their proxies) too if we wanted.” Yeah but you don’t want, so nobody cares. It’s an arms-sales infomercial, nothing more; all sides do it.
As others have explained me, Russia has no secure supply lines to Syria, so they color within the lines of their actual power. This also means day in day out, Russian officers see that encirclement is a killer–not something they wish on themselves. Something else I’ve learned since then: had the Russian state avenged these particular Wagner dudes, it’d have undermined the deniability of the Wagner organization; so Russia let it pass as an acceptable sacrifice. It’s all a very dirty game.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 12 2022 7:24 utc | 109

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Feb 11 2022 19:19 utc | 41
“USuk – pronounced ‘You suck!’…”
Since Australia is involved in this servile and nefarious crime gang I prefer to call it the more apt “USUKA” – pronounced ‘You sucker”.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 12 2022 7:52 utc | 110

@c1ue, and unsurprisingly @ToivoS and @uncle tungsten also had an interest.
[O/T if I may] I now watched the Lauria / Mercouris / Ritter show on CN. Good stuff indeed! They are cautiously optimistic re: West vs Russia. I’m mostly pessimistic about Washington vs Europe (most acutely NS2). So I think there’s no contradiction; either or both may be right or wrong, we’ll see.
The name c1ue was looking for is Friedrich Merz–not Scholz’s lieutenant but opposition leader. But at the same time, this is the video’s most blatant instance of wishful thinking. Obama “had always been against the Iraq war”; @Norwegian informs us Stoltenberg once was explicitly anti-NATO. Jimmy Carter could suddenly hear his better angels again once he was out of power. When in office, they’ll stick to the script; that’s what the office is for. (Kevin Rudd wanted Australia to leave Afghanistan, even after Gen. McChrystal had yelled in his face about it. Then when Gillard succeeded him after the weekend, she knew which side her bread was buttered.) Bottom line Adm. Schoenbach helped the Germans move, and he was promptly silenced for it; the Germans want and deserve what they have now; any real pain for themselves is still hypothetical.
Scott Ritter knows the military stuff, and his explanation is probably decisive on why the Ukie army won’t (want to) “let the Games begin” in Donbass. I’m just worried that it’s not in their hands, and bringing Zelensky in is just a joke (he’s good at those). With British SOF and Blackwater on the front line, anything could still happen to force the others’ hands. Who in Europe is in a position to say “It wasn’t the Ukies, it wasn’t Putin, it was the Anglos stupid”? Abandon the Narrative, let in on how the sausage gets made, and many of our world leaders expose themselves to war-crimes charges; they’d much rather sacrifice their continent.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 12 2022 8:18 utc | 111

uncle tungsten | Feb 11 2022 23:43 utc | 78 with a report at Journal Neo
Yes, the Haqqani network(s). A group with dubious bagage over the past 30 years or so The US is rehabilitating it by (partly) lifting sanctions against it (to allow some “aid” to go through…). Former ambassador Bhadrakumar talks about that in his recent pieces over at Strategic Culture (Pakistan in the Eye of the Storm).
So on the one hand the US is looting what is left of the money from the Afghan central bank, on the other hand it reactivates its links with some dubious player. And meanwhile some ISIS/Al Qaida groups are still moving around in the country.
Note also the control over the Afghan Airports by Qatar.
Nothing pretty in all that.

Posted by: phiw13 | Feb 12 2022 8:39 utc | 112

Rules based order.

Posted by: jiri | Feb 12 2022 9:51 utc | 113

Cruelty is the obsession IMO. For the past 20 years it has been USA assault on Afghanistan now others will be destroyed.
Ron Unz elaborates on the USA cruelty against China here at Greanville Post.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2022 10:01 utc | 114

@33
I’m not going to argue with your religious beliefs.
It’s a fact that cryptocurrencies allow self-custody and it’s a fact that the situation described in this article is due to not having self-custody.

Posted by: DF | Feb 12 2022 10:33 utc | 115

Posted by: DF | Feb 12 2022 10:33 utc | 119
I’m very glad that this site doesn’t have advertisements and I’d rather keep it that way.
I’m certain that you will find many other places where promoting your very questionable speculative assets is welcome.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 12 2022 11:13 utc | 116

@rockstar | Feb 12 2022 7:14 utc | 111

Remind me again what the price tag was for all that military gear the US left behind during their hasty egress. $50 billion? Perhaps the Taliban can start auctioning that stuff off, to any and all takers, until they’ve recovered the $7B that US crimelords have stolen.

That the criminal MIC charged $50 billion doesn’t mean it is worth much if anything now, and it cannot be used to defend the theft of $7B of Afghanistan’s money (I know you are not doing that).

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 12 2022 11:43 utc | 117

@phiw13 #116
Biden has shied away from King Salman of KSA and killer son. Qatar played the role of mediator US with Taliban as early as under the Obama administration. Qatar is Muslim Brotherhood, ally of Erdoğan’s Turkey, short-lived Morsi in Egypt and support for Hamas in Gaza.
Losing Afghanistan, the US has lost an important footprint in Central Asia. Add the failure to spurn unrest in Kazakhstan, influence in Central Asia will be divided between Russia, China and Turkey – historic Turkic people. The Uyghurs in Xinjiang included.
That is why in recent months America and NATO allies have put pressure on Ukraine and its “sovereignty” bypassing all options of talks and diplomacy. By conflict the big losers will be the EU-27 and Russia … hitting out at global economic players in one swat.
Key nations at the moment for the US empire are Turkey and Pakistan.

Posted by: Oui | Feb 12 2022 11:56 utc | 118

America certainly knows how to act in cruel ways, but I’m not convinced this is the goal here.
Behind ostensibly cruel treatments and exceedingly violent operations there usually is a goal of deterrence. Assange and Manning’s example comes to mind and no doubt their treatment has discouraged many sympathizers from carrying out similar projects.
In this case, however, confiscating Afghan assets is completely in line with what the Empire has been doing there for decades. This is just a different form of warfare. Of course they’re going to grab that low hanging fruit. To do otherwise would be completely out of character. You don’t spend decades demolishing a nation only to turn benevolent overnight. It would make no sense at all.
The Empire is playing the long game. A zero sum Great Game. What we are discussing is simply a short paragraph out of the play book of full spectrum attrition of Eurasia.
Everybody east of Lisbon would be well advised to recognize the obvious.

Posted by: robin | Feb 12 2022 12:07 utc | 119

I would strongly advise the new Afghan (Taliban) government not to go anywhere near the IMF. And to expunge those fundamentalist Islamic State twats the Yankees have imported from Syria.

Posted by: Ant. | Feb 12 2022 12:10 utc | 120

@uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2022 10:01 utc | 118
“Cruelty is the obsession IMO.”
No deterrence is the key, of enemies, frenemies, and allies–oderint dum metuant. “Who’d you rather be, the rich toady who’s our bitch, or the sorry loser we just splattered over the pavement?” US/NATO puffing about “credibility” may sound stale, but power must be believed if you want to wield it. Just the other day, Matt Taibbi had an article referencing Ceaucescu; once people found they could simply talk back to him, it was over in four days–the magic was gone. Witness the US politicos going absolutely apes over the Jan 6 sacrilege to their prestige. And it’s the whole class; the courtiers feel deeply that were the King to fall, the guillotine’s blade would be raised for them as well.
Of course, with falling recruiting standards, all sorts of thugs will get into the ranks, or even make general. So cruelty for cruelty’s sake is bound to happen as well. Hell, the torture even helped getting Little Bush re-elected; USA! USA!
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Allow me to go back to Mercouris. He thinks the Germans play it smart; I think they’re being too smart. We now see rumblings that a hacking attack on Kiev might constitute a “cyber invasion”–the truth of which will of course be at the sole discretion of anonymous senior officials. Berlin has been rolled, NS2 will never open; if nothing else, I’m making a falsifiable prediction.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 12 2022 12:22 utc | 121

The shining city on the hill wont go away without a bang.
May be with a little help from my friends, Yellowstone caldera could do the job.
I know Russia ‘retired’ military experts have thought abt it.
Of course, following the big bang, earth will experiment economic collapse for some decades… Anyway.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Feb 12 2022 13:43 utc | 122

Ma Laoshi, @ 125, you are right: NS 2 is dead in the water. Germany can’t play it any other way, even if it wanted, it hasn’t known how since the end of WW 2 when the USA forced Germany under its wing. Foreign minister Baerbock is the Atlantacists’ Kamala Harris, waiting in the wings, Chancellor Sholz Wathington’s stooge.

Posted by: Quentin | Feb 12 2022 13:55 utc | 123

It remained unclear what solution Biden administration officials had settled on and whether the name of any person or people they deem as such would be disclosed for security reasons, like possibly endangering family members still in Afghanistan.

Hunter Biden is availble to serve as an Afghanistan proxy. Since he is not resident in Afghanistan he has no fear of retribution. Since his name would be kept secret there is no risk of public exposure. Dad would also obtain his slice in confidence. This arrangement would make up for the imminent, next week at the latest, likely Burisma losses due RF invasion.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 12 2022 14:05 utc | 124

Hope barflies didn’t miss the two links b posted without comment in The MoA Week In Review – OT 2022-009 .
The first link to Radio Free Europe stated that « Senior U.S. Envoy Leaves Negotiating Team Trying To Revive Iran Nuclear Deal » :

A senior U.S. envoy working to revive the Iran nuclear deal has left the negotiating team amid a report of differences of opinion on the way forward as the attempt to restore the deal intensifies.
Richard Nephew is “no longer serving” as deputy special envoy for Iran, a senior State Department official said in a statement e-mailed to RFE/RL on January 24.
(…) The Wall Street Journal earlier reported that Nephew left after differences of opinion within the U.S. negotiating team. The newspaper said he had advocated a tougher posture in the current negotiations.
The State Department official said personnel moves were “very common” a year into an administration and said Nephew was still a “highly valued” State Department employee. (…)

So who is Richard Nephew, highly valued State Department employee and former deputy special envoy for Iran ?
He is the man whose high skills helped kill thousands of Iranian civilians, perhaps tens of thousands (how to know?).
« Max Blumenthal reports on the sadistic contents of Richard Nephew’s book on the “art of sanctions ”.» You should read the consortiumnews article to which the other link referred:
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/03/09/biden-iran-envoy-boasted-of-causing-civilian-deprivation/
The very idea of putting an anti-Iranian sanctions specialist on the US delegation negotiating with Iran is beyond comprehension.
And now here is my modest contribution: the link to The Art of Sanctions, that I hightly recommend you to read it if you want to make yourself sick and feel helpless:
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1635258022987.pdf
Contrary to what one might think, there is no trace of humour in this new On Murder Considered as one of the Fine Arts.
Nephew must be a Holocaust narrative groupie, he would be very surprised if you made the connection with what he does. After all, he’s not a gas chamber engineer, is he?
A document to be treasured. Today you can ruin a person’s career or reputation because 30 years ago he put his hand on someone’s knee without asking permission, or because he kicked his cat (which I understand if it is recent, HEAR ME KURT ZOUMA ?). So why not the murderers tomorrow?

Posted by: Leuk | Feb 12 2022 14:17 utc | 125

Conspicuous silence from the left as a workers’ rebellion begin to build momentum across the west….
Posted by: Masked Marvel | Feb 12 2022 2:08 utc | 90
More accurate to describe them as upper middle class progressive than left!

Posted by: Jpc | Feb 12 2022 14:26 utc | 126

@Quentin | Feb 12 2022 13:55 utc | 127
Germany self-polices admirably, a bit like there wasn’t really a “Chinese KGB” to run the Cultural Revolution–the Chinese did it to themselves. Stunts like with Navalniy must’ve felt clever at the time, but again probably too clever when they box in the entire govt. Knowing what Europeans are, let me make an educated guess that a lot of these start as attempts to appease the Americans and meet them halfway. But you end up awfully exposed juggling two contradictory, indeed incompatible narratives. Then the yanks pounce, twist some arms, and go for winner-takes-all. In any portfolio not involving the Chinese, the Americans usually still are the smartest.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 12 2022 14:43 utc | 127

Shameful day for the USA.
And let’s not forget the UK has done the same with Venezuela’s gold. And, the UK stole millions from Iran for tanks they never delivered.
This is the democracy the west wants the world to embrace.

Posted by: Brian mulrooney | Feb 12 2022 15:29 utc | 128

Posted by: ptb | Feb 11 2022 22:58 utc | 76

Uneventful end to the week. TTF natgas futures on ICE, my instant barometer of the situation for the time being, had no significant change for the week. Cheers all

Not entirely correct.
Two weeks ago Germany was down to 18 weeks of NG supply. Our Deutsch contingent may clarify this last point as available NG is dependent on winter severity and additional supply. The key issue is the question of which lasts longer – Generalleutant Winter or the NG supply?
The answer should be known toward the end of this month. Past history shows Generalleutant Winter to have favoured the RF.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 12 2022 15:32 utc | 129

Besides being a military-industrial fundraiser, what has been the point of all things Afghanistan? Seriously it makes no sense to me whatsoever. Is there some sort of psychotic grand plan that my simple mind is missing? Letting the failed Afghan government officials fly away with US taxpayer money, and now stealing actual Afghani funds is so illogical.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Feb 12 2022 15:56 utc | 130

psychohistorian | Feb 11 2022 18:44 utc | 37:
“””Crypto does not do anything. Public finance tools instantiated and operated by sovereign countries solve this.”””
The problem is that the money was plainly stolen, taken somewhere else. In a cryptocurrency public ledger, such transactions would need to be authorized by the Aphgan’s central bank’s private key. So yes, this kind of outright theft can to some extent be prevented by using a decentralized public ledger like cryptocoins offer.

Posted by: pepa65 | Feb 12 2022 16:41 utc | 131

Sorry…..but where did this money come from? Your article states it was deposits into Afghani bank accounts…? huh? Its my understanding that it was donations /operating funds for the previous govt…..which the bulk of it has come from the USA tax payers…..
As such….USA SHOULD be able to rescind these donations. Biden is an idiot conflating Afghan donations with 9/11.
These ARENT funds from Afghanis these are donations from American tax payers…..these funds should be returned to general funds seeing we owe 30 trillion dollars.

Posted by: Dean Collins | Feb 12 2022 16:45 utc | 132

usa should be able to do whatever it wants… because – usa….. lolol…. destroy a country for the past 20 odd years, but – hey…. usa… greatest piece of shit on the planet in terms of a country with a bunch of losers complaining about taxes on a regular basis…. go usa, lolol….

Posted by: james | Feb 12 2022 16:56 utc | 133

@ 107; Your thoughts are free, enjoy..
@ 112; I reside in So. Cal. It’s nice here. To each their own..

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 12 2022 17:02 utc | 134

O & G @ 134 asked;”Besides being a military-industrial fundraiser, what has been the point of all things Afghanistan?”
The corporate empire is like any other, unfettered access to natural resources is a good part of their thinking..
I’ve heard it said that “” What oil is to KSA, Lithium is to Afghanistan.

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 12 2022 17:10 utc | 135

Hopefully, someday, we can divorce politics from public safety issues, but don’t hold your breath.
I just love watching the different MSM outlets slanting their “news”, to reach their goal of moving public perception this way, and that way, for the ultimate goal of increasing revenues for the 1%ers.
That’s the Advertising & Marketing empire of today’s U$A. A&M only, no reality allowed…
Thanks b, for the therapeutic platform. You da’ best…….

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 12 2022 17:23 utc | 136

One of the more empty threads on this blog. Lot of angry red faced fist shaking but not much else. Don’t get angry. Get even, as the saying goes. I forget which color pill its called but the majority – the vast majority are mesmerized by Goering and the pied piper.
Only outside influences will change that.
Both the Russian ultimatum and the Russia China joint statement are are game changer. Very much an outside influence for the US west. Sit back and watch the show. Perhaps this will be a very long epic or it might be just a short flick, who knows? But the above are like the change of tide or a clock striking midnight, Though anlo emipire decline may be much faster than its rise.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2022 17:36 utc | 137

@Old and Grumpy | Feb 12 2022 15:56 utc | 134
“what has been the point of all things Afghanistan?”
From a psychotic, Kissinger, Stratfor perspective, growing record amounts of opium to pump into Iranian and Russian veins is a sensible policy, if the goal is to dominate at any cost. But at this stage, the machine has become so venal that it sees bigger profits in Western markets including the domestic one–and goes for it.
And then there is the usual: if you have an operating base conveniently close to both Iran and China, in a country whose government you completely control, why would you give that up? You can train militants to let loose in those countries (more a CIA than a mil thing probably), spy a bit, etc. Even if you just play Xbox, your enemy is kept “off-balance”–freaked out about what you might do in his back yard. Even if generals didn’t profit from it, both in stars/medals and financially (as you imply), this is just them doing their job; the budgetary and human costs are somebody else’s problem. Unfortunately for them, the govt they controlled completely didn’t control the country completely, so it all went south.
Russia now has to come to terms with similar logic on its western flank: for various reasons, it watched on as its enemy built up an entrenched position. Now it started to ask “Yankee go home”, but I doubt they’ll pack up until they’re made as miserable as they were in the Afghan mountains.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 12 2022 17:46 utc | 138

@Peter AU1, #141:

Both the Russian ultimatum and the Russia China joint statement are game changers. Very much an outside influence for the US west. Sit back and watch the show.

Agreed! These won’t be a short flicks. These are statements that reflect the conclusions in the minds of Russia and China after years of soul-searching deliberation of the need and the consequences of confronting the Empire head on. They are confident that at this point they can administer bloody noses on the Empire, and they are patient to follow the script of unveiling the plot step by step, year in year out.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:00 utc | 139

China and Russia could have chosen another time and venue for unveiling the Joint Statement, such as after meeting between Wang Yi and Lavrov, or through each other’s Embassy, or prior to next SCO gatherings, etc. But no, they chose to announce under the highest profile! They chose a time and place where the whole world is paying attention to. They wanted the two heads of states to be the message pronouncers. They want as much of the world to hear and know of their intent. They said: We will do this! There is no turning back!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:13 utc | 140

@ Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:13 utc | 144 about the significance of the China/Russia proclamations at the start of the Olympic games
What is said in those documents does not exist within the “shadows” provided to the American public, of which I am one. Americans that get their culture from TV are examples of current zombies. They stare at their Plato’s Cave Displays and the shadows they see on the wall is their total reality.
Any attempt to expose them to a broader or conflicting reality is met with zombiness….good luck with that, I continue to try and may lose my life at it…..I am the guy with the I SUPPORT PUBLIC BANKING sign in my front yard…grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 12 2022 19:41 utc | 141

Commandeering of Afghanistan money by Biden to the so-called 9/11 victims got ABSOLUTELY no mention in US press. But if you kept track of TASS or Xinhua news dispatches, you’ll see all the LOUD jeering and mockeries that such low antics/robberies deserve. Yes, from now on China and Russia will head the campaign to hold the Empire to account on misdeeds, at UN, at G20, at Davos, at all occasions that would reveal the devil’s mischief.
What Roman did to Carthage, we are still learning and discussing it as historical facts 2,000+ years later; what Spain did in South/Central America, we still condemn them after 500+ years; what Anglos did in North America, we still point fingers at the culprit 400+ years later. Facts are facts. facts get clearer as time rolls on and logic brings out the truth. There is a saying in Chinese: ” If you choose to frolic in the Rivers and Lakes, you’ll have to account for your debts sooner or later”. What the Empire did through most of the 20th century, they’ll see their debts flashed before them sooner or later.
One day Afghanistan will ask for the $10 billion Biden gave away, plus interest. One day Syria will ask for compensation for the bombing/thiefing of oil/killing of citizens in Syria. One day Serbia will provide the list of bridges bombed, roads bombed, power plants and hospitals bombed, by the Clinton/Albright clique. One day, some nations will gather together and impose a Rambuillet on a certain Empire. That’s the Law of the Rivers and Lakes.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:42 utc | 142

@psychohistorian, #145:
I am one in the Empire too :-), I know what you mean. But inhabitants in the Empire are not the only ones who live on earth, not the only ones who count, and not in the long run who call shots. We may be zombies, but there are awaken ones around to whom the Joint Statements would mean something.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:47 utc | 143

On last night’s evening news (2/11/2022), I was informed by David Muir that Russia was the one who requested a phone call with Biden on Saturday morning. Now the call has ended (lasted 1 hour). The TASS report added that the phone call was requested by the White House!. BUT NO DETAIL ON SUBSTANCES.
Who do I believe on which side initiated the call? Oh I think anyone who bothers to read my postings knows the answer:-)

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:59 utc | 144

If we go back as far as the US rapid departure from Afghanistan;
I think the plan went something like this –
The Taliban were “encouraged” to look like they were winning and advance from the South East, taking over many places. The Afghanistan forces were supposed to resist and fall back on Kabul. Take over Bhagram airfield. From where they would continue to bomb the Taliban.
This would free US service men for transfer to …. we will come back to that. The CIA would continue to get it’s drugs out by forcing the Taliban and others to work their fields for money. So something went a bit wrong. The Afghan forces collapsed too quickly and too much. The Taliban arrived in Kabul not really knowing their luck.
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Now comes the second part. US troops asked to be “temporarily” based in the ‘Stans. As everyone now realises, there is NOTHING temporary about having the US on your soil. They probably planned on getting into Khazakstan, Tajikstan and also Kyrgistan and Uzebkistan, and setting up fully equiped temporary “bases”. As we now also know, a “regime change” was planned for Khazakstan, and would then have found US troops well placed to “‘elp” Democracy with a few snipers and helicopters.
The Stans did not agree to US troops on their soil, but some Afghan troops and airforce were accepted fpor a short time. The later impressive CSTO massive airlift, with elements from all the Stans put paid to that part of the planned encirclement of Russia.
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Then came Ukraine. Same basic plan, draw a line around Russia, filled by US troops.
By simply calling WOLF loudly enough, they now have increased troop presence and operability, KEEPING the NATO forces at the same level. Projected lines are also to be set up by naval and air forces under the direct command of the US. (Baltics to north Norway, South to Azerbaijan) Nuts to “coordinated” or EU input. No need for a real war (at least for the US) They are getting what they wanted.
The Kurils are the next ?
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Back to Afghanistan.
The US always had the idea of keeping a controlling “presence”. They have several choices.
Massoud Junior (A duplicate Guaido thingy, better organised and a valley as backdrop). The Haqqaini network, which has an atrocious reputation for torture – even in Afghanistan. Two new groups have recently been announced. These would, I presume, be supplied from Tajikstan (Where some of the imported “demonstrators” in Khazikstan came from. There must be an implanted US/CIA or similar group/base).
The newest idea from the Bidonnettes, is 50% for friends of the 9/11 victims – I doubt that they will actually see anything, and 50% for “Humanitarian” aid, (Aka Killary Klinton style, arms instead of alms) to one of the above named groups. There are others, still in neighbouring countries, who will try to get some baksheesh out of the $7billion.
Alternatively, Bidonette and Blanket will try to extract political points from the Taliban. Or both.
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PS. I think the Chinese are suggesting help with railways and the BRI – but I am not up to date. Russia as in Syria does not have the means to support a country in distress. Help, yes, but it must remain limited for the moment.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 12 2022 21:28 utc | 145

The Psychosis of sadists…
Exhibit A
‘American air power in all its majesty swept down upon the road to Basra, bombing, rocketing, strafing everything that moved in the long column of Iraqi military and civilian vehicles, troops and refugees. The nice, god-fearing, wholesome American GIs, soon to be welcomed as heroes at home, had a ball … “we toasted him” … “we hit the jackpot” … “a turkey shoot” … “This morning was bumper-to-bumper. It was the road to Daytona Beach at spring break … and spring break’s over.”
Again and again, as loudspeakers on the carrier Ranger blared Rossini’s “William Tell Overture”, the rousing theme song of the Lone Ranger, one strike force after another took off with their load of missiles and anti-tank and anti-personnel Rockeye cluster bombs, which explode into a deadly rain of armor-piercing bomblets; land-based B-52s joined in with 1000-pound bombs. … “It’s not going to take too many more days until there’s nothing left of them.” … “shooting fish in a barrel” … “basically just sitting ducks” … “There’s just nothing like it. It’s the biggest Fourth of July show you’ve ever seen, and to see those tanks just `boom,’ and more stuff just keeps spewing out of them … they just become white hot. It’s wonderful.”‘
https://thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Iraq_KH.html
somebody should do an autopsy on BLum.

Posted by: denk | Feb 13 2022 1:17 utc | 146

@tucenz | Feb 11 2022 22:56 utc | 75
“Then a few days later on VV Putin’s birthday there were precise missile strikes from the Caspian 1250km away. (2500km range missiles”
Groan, not with the toys again. This was the old, old discussion of SouthFront. Whenever the Empire did something real, like downing an SAA plane or incinerating those Wagner troops, offing a Russian general for chrissakes, then Russia would launch Kalibr’s against some cheap jihadi trash they could’ve just bombed for 1/10th of the cost. “See? We could do something real (move against the principals not their proxies) too if we wanted.” Yeah but you don’t want, so nobody cares. It’s an arms-sales infomercial, nothing more; all sides do it.
As others have explained me, Russia has no secure supply lines to Syria, so they color within the lines of their actual power. This also means day in day out, Russian officers see that encirclement is a killer–not something they wish on themselves. Something else I’ve learned since then: had the Russian state avenged these particular Wagner dudes, it’d have undermined the deniability of the Wagner organization; so Russia let it pass as an acceptable sacrifice. It’s all a very dirty game.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 12 2022 7:24 utc | 113
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Your hyperbole got me read my comment again and I thought it was a good one so I’ll repeat it

The smack down. A few years ago a commenter at Syrianperspective.com (alas no longer with us) wrote that after Nato’s destruction of Libya, Russia and China became determined that such a thing would not happen again. And their joint military/political approach has grown unstopably in strength.
For me, the belief that the smack down had started was on 30 September 2015, when Russia in a precise manner bombed the shit out of 10 or so rebel communication and command centres in Syria. Then a few days later on VV Putin’s birthday there were precise missile strikes from the Caspian 1250km away. (2500km range missiles – noted countries 2500km or closer) There was wailing not only in arabic but also hebrew, turkish and various accents of english.
“.. Ein al-Assad attack by Iran. It exposed the paper tiger that the empire IS..”
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 11 2022 21:47 utc | 69
Russia and China would have been supportive of that response.
I think Russia and China and Iran etc are aiming for a compliance hold in which the western powers are going to be doing what they are told.
Posted by: tucenz | Feb 11 2022 22:56 utc | 75

To “I think Russia and China and Iran etc are aiming for a compliance hold in which the western powers are going to be doing what they are told.” I would add “and are going to make reparations.” similar to what Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:42 utc | 146 says –
“One day Afghanistan will ask for the $10 billion Biden gave away, plus interest. One day Syria will ask for compensation for the bombing/thiefing of oil/killing of citizens in Syria. One day Serbia will provide the list of bridges bombed, roads bombed, power plants and hospitals bombed, by the Clinton/Albright clique. One day, some nations will gather together and impose a Rambuillet on a certain Empire. That’s the Law of the Rivers and Lakes.” Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 12 2022 19:42 utc | 146″
Sakineh Bagoom – Is “the reward of patience is more patience” a Persian saying?

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 13 2022 8:18 utc | 147

@tucenz | Feb 13 2022 8:18 utc | 151
“Ein al-Assad attack by Iran. […] Russia and China would have been supportive of that response”
Yes the Iranians understood that they had to do something concrete and visible short of war, in order to retain a modicum of deterrence. Is that “blood feud” flag over the Qom(?) mosque still up? I don’t much care about Russia’s supportive feelings or lack thereof–it wasn’t their action or decision. When they were in the hot seat, their own general biting the dust, they dropped the ball.
And the Russian general staff was exasperated. Let me paraphrase, you’re welcome to call it hyperbole. 🙂 “We’d want to kill three American generals. But we need to kill one, or this will have been an American win! that will invite more of the same.” But at the very top, the Kremlin said no. Same with the S-300 deliveries: the generals felt Syria needed this capability; the patriotic internet gloated “checkmate you Zios”, but Putin-Lavrov immediately started to push back against the idea that those batteries would ever be operational–in their minds, it always was a “doing something” PR thing.
So it’s not like the “restraint/patience” line is supported by all right-thinking people. The Russian general staff are bigger pros than any of us, and they’re regularly tearing their hair out over the Kremlin’s games. Anyway, both sides contribute something to the discussion, so let everyone have their say.
“One day, some nations will gather together and impose a Rambuillet [sic] on a certain Empire.”
Now these are stirrings which I find hot-headed. If you want to stabilize the system, the last thing you want is for Washington to think that somebody is gunning for their defeat Versailles style. Because Versailles didn’t stabilize anything, duh. The USA is welcome to exist and prosper, but please under the same rules that bind the rest of us.
How hard is it anyway for Afghanistan to just export $10b worth of heroin to the US. And why is nobody telling me about the post-US opium trade there; do we need to see a full four-seasons cycle before we can make up a balance?

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Feb 13 2022 10:18 utc | 148

re:Ma Laoshi | Feb 13 2022 10:18 utc | 152
More hyperbole ” The Russian general staff are bigger pros than any of us, and they’re regularly tearing their hair out over the Kremlin’s games.”
Links to your assertion? General Shoigu tearing his hair out – I don’t think so..

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 13 2022 11:22 utc | 149

re: tucenz | Feb 13 2022 11:22 utc | 153
youtube just suggested this for me
Putin Was Never So Upset: USA Parking Missiles At Our Doorstep! Beware Of The Anger Of Patient Man!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdXVsoa0byk
Plenty of generals shown watching VV Putin and none are pulling their hair out.

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 14 2022 7:06 utc | 150

addendum 154
Plenty of generals (and others) shown watching and listening to VV Putin and none are pulling their hair out.

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 14 2022 7:12 utc | 151

addendum 154
Plenty of generals (and others) shown watching and listening to VV Putin and none are pulling their hair out.

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 14 2022 7:12 utc | 152

Sakineh Bagoom – Is “the reward of patience is more patience” a Persian saying?
Posted by: tucenz | Feb 13 2022 8:18 utc | 151
tucenz, I like this afghan saying better: They’ve got the watches, we’ve got the time.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 14 2022 22:48 utc | 153