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February 23, 2022
There Is Still No ‘Russian Invasion’ But The Sanctions Proceeded Anyway

The information war about the current U.S.-Russia standoff continues. That is why the New York Times is again pushing fake Russian invasion claims:

Russia faced mounting pressure and economic sanctions over the Ukraine crisis on Wednesday as the United States and allies coordinated punishments and denounced the beginning of an “invasion of Ukraine.”

The global response began early Tuesday, just hours after President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia recognized the self-declared separatist states in eastern Ukraine and Russian forces started rolling into their territory, according to NATO, European Union and White House officials. It was the first major deployment of Russian troops across the internationally recognized border since the current crisis began.

No Russian forces have recently been seen in Donbas or have been noticed rolling in. Moreover the Ukraine has made no claims that an invasion is happening. 

The alleged invasion is again a claim without any evidence. It is part of the information war the U.S. is waging against Russia. All the anonymous intelligence-lacking officials who make such claims are simply lying. They have no sources or evidence to support such claims.

Just ask how many of them have predicted that Russia would officially recognize the Donbas republics? There is not one I am aware of.

As Patrick Cockburn notes:

Information wars are always a component of military conflicts, potential and actual. Usually, security services play a large role in orchestrating them. But these propaganda wars are dangerous because they tend to fly out of control and demonising an opponent hinders negotiations. Political leaders, for their part, tend to believe an unhealthy amount of their own propaganda and often act as if it was all true.

The last part is the real danger and it is happening right now. Biden, Blinken and others have for months falsely predicted a 'Russian invasion' and threatened to issue sanctions if it would come.

There is currently no 'Russian invasion' of Ukrainian or Donbas republics territory but the sanctioning has proceeded anyway without any further reasoning.

In a press conference yesterday the Russian president Vladimir Putin explicitly said that no Russian troops were yet to go in:

Regarding the use of the Armed Forces abroad. Well, of course. By all means. We signed treaties yesterday, and these treaties with the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic contain relevant clauses that say that we will provide these republics with appropriate assistance, including military. Since there is an ongoing conflict there, we make it clear by this decision that, if need be, we plan to fulfill our obligations.

Vladimir Putin: First, I did not say our troops would enter right away, after our meeting here. That is first. Second, it is absolutely impossible to predict the detailed path of possible actions. It depends on the concrete situation that is unfolding on the ground, as they say.

Russia is not interested in going to war. It wants do avoid an attack of Ukrainian forces on the Donbas republics. That is why it gave the security guarantees to them. It hopes that this will be sufficient to deter an Ukrainian attack.

This is what Russia wants to stop:


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The cutout above is from a map by the OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine and depicts the number of explosion the OSCE observers registered on Monday, February 21 2022. The majority of the explosions are again by far on the Donbas republics side and have, after a lull on Sunday, again increased.

This imbalance has been the case for a long time. A UN report about civilian casualties in Ukraine (h/t Aaron Maté) shows that in recent years more than 80% of the civilians killed in the conflict were on the Donbas side.


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The artillery impacts show that the Ukrainian military is currently preparing the ground for an attack towards Donetzk and Luhansk. It has also brought up air defense systems which it will need to cover the attack.

If the Ukrainian military stops its bombardment and retreats from the border there is no need for any Russian soldier to roll into Ukraine.

There are claims that Russia will invade anyway because it has recognized the DNR and LNR republics within their constitutional borders. These are the original administrative regions borders and exceed the currently held grounds. However Putin says that this should be negotiated:

With regard to the borders within which we will recognise these republics, we did recognise them, which means we recognised their foundational documents, including the Constitution, and the Constitution stipulates their borders within the Donetsk and Lugansk regions at the time when they were part of Ukraine. But we expect, and I want to emphasise this, that all disputes will be resolved during talks between the current Kiev authorities and the leaders of these republics. Unfortunately, at this point in time, we realise that it is impossible to do so, since hostilities are still ongoing and, moreover, they are showing signs of escalating. But I hope this is how it will turn out in the future.

Putin has also shown a clear way out of the conflict:

The situation around Ukraine could be resolved with demilitarization of the republic and its rejection of accession to NATO, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, answering reporters’ questions in the wake of the talks with his Azerbaijani counterpart Ilham Aliyev.

The head of state underscored that Russia will provide military aid to Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), adding the deployment of forces in Donbass will not be announced right now.

In order to settle the situation, democratic states must first and foremost recognize the will of the residents of the Crimean Peninsula on reconciliation with Russia.

"The first thing that everybody must do is to recognize the will of the people who live in Sevastopol and in Crimea," he said.

Next, Moscow offers Ukraine to voluntarily drop its plans to join NATO.

"We act out of what many people are saying, including in the Western capitals: that the best resolution of this issue for our colleagues to preserve their faces would be Kiev authorities’ voluntary rejection of accession to NATO. Effectively, they would implement the concept of neutrality."

Russia demands that the West "stopped pumping the current Kiev authorities with modern weapons."

"Therefore, the main point – is demilitarization of the modern Ukraine to a certain degree, because this is the only objectively controllable factor, which could be supervised and which could be reacted to."

Moscow cannot allow restoration of Ukraine’s nuclear power status, which Ukrainian authorities talk about.

"Even acquisition of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine means a strategic threat for us," he said.

'Western' media seem confused why Putin made that last point. It was in reply to a threat the Ukrainian president Zelensky had made during the Munich security conference:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said at the Munich Security Conference that he would initiate consultations within the framework of the Budapest Memorandum.

If the summit of the countries participating in the Budapest Memorandum does not take place or does not provide Ukraine with security guarantees, the document will be recognized by Ukraine as invalid along with the points that were signed in 1994, the Ukrainian President said.

The Budapest Memorandum, signed on December 5, 1994, by Britain, Russia, the United States and Ukraine, provided guarantees of Ukraine's security and territorial integrity in exchange for Kyiv's surrendering of nuclear weapons. The document entered into force after Ukraine signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of nuclear weapons.

The Ukraine has the materials and knowledge to build nuclear weapons if it wants to do that. It also has the missiles needed to deliver them.

No Russian leader will condone such a threat right next to its border.

If the 'western' and Ukrainian officials really wanted to prevent a 'Russian invasion' they would now take steps to deescalate the situation.

Unfortunately they are doing the opposite. 

Comments

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 6:49 utc | 427
I am equally guilty. I believed Putin would wait until after the State of Union, let Bidet declare a great victory (“By my cheerleading I have scared off the Putinistic hordes”) and the day after that launch the liberation operation occuring tonight.
I join you in a vodka toast. May we all safely awake on the morrow as there are many ways this could go deadly wrong.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 7:04 utc | 401

Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 7:02 utc | 440
Imperialism LMAO. You clearly don’t understand the past and present realities on the ground and perhaps more importantly, history, in that part of the world. Also, you don’t seem to turn up very often to condemn US military actions and imperialism. What gives?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 7:05 utc | 402

@ 397 peter au…. yes to that..
@ WJ | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 401 – exactly.. thank you…

Posted by: james | Feb 24 2022 7:05 utc | 403

@ YourMom | Feb 24 2022 6:58 utc | 437 who wrote

now fuck off and stop stealing my name, you pathetic meatbeating whingebag

please note that my comment was aimed at the other, not you….my mother has been dead for a decade and was a very hurt woman…be well

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 7:05 utc | 404

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 6:58 utc | 437
Sorry I fell for the troll’s co-optation of your user name. My bad – please accept my apologies. Pretty sure we’re of the same mindset here.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 7:06 utc | 405

Be warned.
I don’t think this post:
Posted by: Your Mom | Feb 24 2022 6:50 utc | 428
is by the same person as this post:
Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 6:53 utc | 431
431 has a much better sense of humour

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 7:08 utc | 406

YourMom #392

Results of the first four hours of the operation against Ukraine
🇺🇦 Air Defence destroyed
🇺🇦 Air Force destroyed
🇺🇦 Navy destroyed
🇺🇦🇹🇷 There are no more Bayraktar drones

Ukraine wont need a navy as it will no longer have sea access anywhere.
And thank you for all the glad tidings 😎

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 7:08 utc | 407

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 7:06 utc | 447
Yes, refresh and see my immediately preceding reply.
The DoS and CIA paid trolls are earning their wages tonight. I wish MoA had a means of cross checking UNs and emails with those of previous well-intentioned commenters.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 7:08 utc | 408

you realise you morons are replying to an impostor?
Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 7:06 utc | 447
But pray tell – How would any of us “morons” discern that it was an imposter we are responding to without any further information or data points? Stop with the name calling especially if you’re in agreement with someone.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 7:09 utc | 409

@437 YourMom | Feb 24 2022 6:58 utc
I noticed earlier that it looked like you had been impersonated. Thanks for striking back at the impostor.
I hate that shit. Bad enough that trolls come around, but when they pretend to speak in the name of another, it is serious chickenshit – you know they speak directly from the father of lies. They themselves are just little soldiers of course, with no other way to fight the real war than from their laptops.
Meanwhile the real warfare is being done, by the real soldiers.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 24 2022 7:09 utc | 410

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 401
“I am open to the view that this attack was planned well ahead of time, though as a contingency… had Ukraine pulled back from the LDNR then this would not have happened. But if Russia is going to be put in a position where they feel they need to attack, they are going to really fucking attack, and that is what we are seeing now. If you cast this as Russian “aggression” you are ignoring the past eight years of concerted attempts at diplomacy carried out by Russia… Russia truly saw this move as the last resort, and as something that had to be done within a window of time in which Russia enjoyed technical and escalation dominance.”
^^^This, precisely
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 6:49 utc | 427
“As one of the barflies who did not think Russia would do it, I plead guilty.
But I have to say, eating crow this sweet is a mighty fine punishment.
pass the vodka :)”
My feelings exactly. *Raises glass*
By nature my head is cautious (because: nukes) and my heart wants to storm the heavens (because: Vintage Red). It’s on now, so head, buckle in, heart is all in. Those who make the Denazification-DeNATOization halfway only dig their own graves.
Death to the Empire.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 24 2022 7:11 utc | 411

Did not age well b. I blame spike protein. Lol

Posted by: Jezabeel | Feb 24 2022 7:12 utc | 412

Mood ==> https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1496736292096208898?cxt=HHwWhMCjzcjuvMUpAAAA

Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2022 7:16 utc | 413

Video of some SU-57’s and others enjoying a low level flight over Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/its_killershot/status/1496744872920895490

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 7:17 utc | 414

Hey barflies, new and old
I am offended by those coming in and saying b is wrong in his posting because they think what Russia is doing is an invasion.
I challenge you to include in your comment of such the answer to the question I pose to your ilk,
Was Operation Enduring Freedom an invasion?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 7:18 utc | 415

remember that Putin just two days ago in his big speech mentioned revenging the hateful slaughter of those people burned alive in Odessa some years ago (I think it was in 2015)
well I suspect there are/will be Russian paratroopers, and then plenty of troops, in Odessa soon
this twitter account has very up to date info on the Russian offensive in the…uh…former Ukraine
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496736309708267520
Poland evacuates consulate in Odessa

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2022 7:19 utc | 416

Looking at that video again, it looks a bit odd. Air raid sirens going but that could have been added. Everything low and slow in perfect formation. Looks more like they a lining up for a low pass at a military parade.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 7:21 utc | 417

As often noted, we always know when a serious military action is taking place, because the soldiers are assigned to their computers to fight the informational war.
Strangely, the ad hominem attacks have not started – a great blessing – perhaps they learned not to do this? They do learn, but always after the fact, and I love how slowly they learn.
They shoot themselves in the foot, and copy/paste their farce across the Internet – the very wrong place to spread their obscurations, of course.
~~
In the fog of war, we all get seduced by lies. But can you not feel, in the back of all these discourses, the underlying thrust of the reasoning human mind, that wishes only to know the truth?
Can you not see that the human urge is toward the true knowing of reality? And that to fight against this is to place a losing bet against the future?

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 24 2022 7:24 utc | 418

That vacation in Russia keeps getting cheaper by the day, the ruble has gone from 70 to the USD to 86 to the USD in the past three months – breaking out to a new high. Also, excellent for Russia exchanging all those high oil and gas prices into rubles. Gazprom’s costs are in rubles and earnings in foreign currencies, so could be a great buy once its share price bottoms.
I will wait to see if the US gets to cut Russia off from SWIFT, it will be a massive own goal creating a significant movement away from USD as customers still need to buy the oil and gas and will have to use other currencies, and kneecap German and other European industries. If Biden doesn’t he looks pathetic, so he can’t win either way.
Russia called the US/NATO bluff, now the world will see that they are a paper tiger – increasing the speed of movement toward an independent EurAsia. Taiwan should take note.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2022 7:24 utc | 419

Biden is deploying 8 f-35As, and 20 AH-64 attack helicopters to locations adjacent “NATOs eastern flank.” Biden stated “We have no intention of fighting Russia.”

Update 11:20 PM EST:
Reports continue to flow in regarding Russian attacks on locations across Ukraine. The most significant, but still unconfirmed report is that airborne troops may be attempting to forcefully seize sites in and around Kyiv, including Boryspil International Airport, the seizure of which would provide a bridgehead that additional forces could flow through.

SOURCE
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44437/russias-major-military-operation-against-ukraine-has-begun

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 7:27 utc | 420

Russian army in Kharkov, that Ukraine War Report Telegram channel is very good!

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2022 7:29 utc | 421

“Russian tanks are passing into Kharkov without any resistance — says units stationed in villages along the way have offered “no resistance”
Very significant news.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 7:31 utc | 422

Boris Rozhin:

It’s important to remember that this is not a war with the goal of capturing territory—this is a war with the goal of de-Nazification of the Ukraine and installation on its territory of a regime that is not hostile to Russia, that won’t present a threat either to Russia or its own [Ukrainian] residents.

Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 7:32 utc | 423

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 7:17 utc | 456
Peter – Those do not look like combat formations. You fly a very loose 2 or 4 ship formation not a half squadron flying wingtip to wingtip. And those bombers – if they dropped aramament from that altitude they would feel their own blast effects. Too low and too slow.
Someone is attempting to pass off a ceremonial fly past as an attack formation.
Agree about the added sirens.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 7:33 utc | 424

war is frightening
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496727768607993857
The most terrifying thing tonight was watching Putin speak, while on our other set of monitors with live feeds from Ukraine — we started hearing hundreds of explosions as he said “Dear Citizens of the Russian federation..” god DAMN
12:04 AM · Feb 24, 2022

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2022 7:34 utc | 425

Sushi #462

Biden is deploying 8 f-35As, and 20 AH-64 attack helicopters to locations adjacent “NATOs eastern flank.”

I guess he meant the english channel or perhaps the Seine.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 7:34 utc | 426

For someone waiting since 2014 this is really good news indeed.

Posted by: Surferket | Feb 24 2022 7:36 utc | 427

Russel Bentley reports:
Azov battalion smashed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtxiBehhgc

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 7:37 utc | 428

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 7:34 utc | 468
Long Island is fairly Eastern.
Cheers!
I am worrid we may have lost the real YourMom. He was delivering great updates. Hard to find any other reporting.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 7:39 utc | 429

The war zone reports:

There are also reports of major attacks along Ukraine’s coast on the Black Sea and the the Sea of Azov, areas that had long been projected as potential vectors of attack during a future Russian incursion. Just today, the U.S. military cited the presence of amphibious warfare ships and other naval vessels in these bodies of water as particularly worrisome signs that an invasion was imminent.
Reports of air and missile strikes, as well as of artillery fire and other fighting, continue to come from other areas of Ukraine. As stated before, the situation is extremely fluid and it is difficult at present to independently confirm many of the reports emerging now.

The NYT reports:

Feb. 24, 2022, 2:08 a.m. ET
Prime Minister Arturs Krisjanis Karins of Latvia called for a consultation among NATO member nations based on Article 4, according to a Twitter post from his official account. Article 4 says any member nation has the right to call for a group consultation when they think “the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened.”

SOURCE:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/24/world/russia-ukraine-putin

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 7:44 utc | 430

Sushi #471

I am worrid we may have lost the real YourMom. He was delivering great updates. Hard to find any other reporting.

He is gathering from telegram. I am switching to a windows system so I can do likewise.
He has to eat and drink so I guess he will be back in the bar pronto. By the way it looks like Tonto is riding west with blazing saddles.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 7:50 utc | 431

Putin spoke with Erdogan just hours before operation in Ukraine, wherein Erdo expressed disapproval of any moves Russia might make on Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Then I read this in Southfront:
Two Turkish military transport aircraft are currently enroute to Odessa.
I believe it was shortly before Russia moved in on Ukraine?
Good thing they weren’t mysteriously or accidentally destroyed or USNATO would have a pretext to help Ukraine fight Russia.
I believe naval targets were struck in Odessa if I’m not mistaken.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 7:52 utc | 432

Russian MoD: Our intelligence shows that Ukrainian servicemen are leaving their positions en masse and abandoning weapons

Posted by: non | Feb 24 2022 7:53 utc | 433

and finally for tonight
boy I am really looking forward to b’s next post later today (as well as more commentary/analysis over at The Saker and from A. Martyanov)
https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1496697387036913664
It’s a regrettable situation. Maybe we wouldn’t be here
– had Ukraine respected the Minsk agreements
– had NATO kept its promise not to expand Eastwards
Encircling Russia with hostile bases, threatening its borders & security with neo-Nazis & expecting no response is unrealistic
AND ———– Shock and Awe, Russian style
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496708137029615619
1 hour and 22 mins — Russia disables the entire Ukrainian military.
BREAKING: RUSSIAN MOD — “Military infrastructure, air defense facilities, military airfields and aviation of the Ukrainian army have been disabled by high-precision weapons.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2022 7:55 utc | 434

By the way it looks like Tonto is riding west with blazing saddles. I had to laugh at that one uncle tungsten. I wonder if anyone has mentioned it to Wallace.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 8:02 utc | 435

Trudeau has issued a statement:

Trudeau said Russia’s actions will be met with severe consequences.
Trudeau said he would be meeting Thursday with G7 partners and would work quickly with NATO and Canada’s allies “to collectively respond to these reckless and dangerous acts, including by imposing significant sanctions in addition to those already announced.”
“Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity must be respected and the Ukrainian people must be free to determine their own future.”

SOURCE
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/trudeau-condemns-russias-attack-on-ukraine-says-russia-will-suffer-consequences
I expect Putin fully intends to permit the Ukrainian people to determine their own future without interference by Nuland, Soros, and the alphabet agencies.
Of course when the people of Crimea voted to determine their own future Trudeau objected to such self-determination.
The following link should connect to an image of a Ukrainian military radar station which appears to be on fire.
https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/kyiv_airport.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=472&h=354&type=webp

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 8:04 utc | 436

Posted by: NoWar | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 400
Joining NATO was not ‘some vague idea’. It was a step too far for a nation who saw it as the thin end of the wedge for its national security. Australia did for East Timor what Russia is doing for these twin republics. If it had come to war with Indonesia the rest of the world would have seen it as a just conflict. But at the time, rightly or wrongly, East Timor was part of Indonesia. We supported and recognized their sovereignty as Putin is doing and we sent our military in there. For a few tense months we watched to see if Indonesia would call it an ‘invasion’. They didn’t because the USA made it clear they were with us. One person’s invasion is another’s peace-keeping mission.
Putin should put the Soviet Union back together. He was right that it was the worst thing that happened to the world and let this neoliberal pestilence of its chain.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 24 2022 8:09 utc | 437

A HREF=”https://www.wikileaks.org/”>LOL
“The European Commission said it would propose a new package of sanctions against strategic sectors of the Russian economy, blocking access to key EU technologies and markets – 🇷🇺 RIA Novosti”
LOL…Are they going to sanction latest Pfizer concoctions and a Mars rover that is due to start this year? I pity Russians.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 8:15 utc | 438

Patroklos | Feb 24 2022 8:09 utc | 483
I believe we turned a blind eye when Indonesia invaded east Timor in 1975. I think five Australian journalists were killed by the Indonesions and Australia didn’t bat an eye, but from what I read in the past that was because we had our eye on East Timor’s oil/gas fields.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 8:15 utc | 439

Link to an image of the port of Ochakiv, located in the city of Mykolaiv. Targeted by the Russians. There was a big explosion in the port, and then a fire broke out.
https://liveuamap.com/pics/2022/02/24/22397364_0.jpg

Kyiv conveyed its request to Turkey to close the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits for Russian warships, Ukrainian Embassy in Ankara says

I think Turkey’s response will give some indication of how this event shakes out. If the Bosporus is closed to RF that may result in some escalation of the conflict. If Turkey refuses the Ukrainian request that suggests much bluster but less chance of an escalation.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 8:17 utc | 440

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 8:08 utc | 482
The report of large scale desertions makes sense. There have been many reports of Ukrainians being forced into military service and exposed to extremely poor field conditions.
The Ukrainian leadership are committed to war and have no problem exposing others to war risk. The lower echelons of society are likely not pleased by their treatment, and will welcome the overthrow of their oppressors.
Even the serious fascist militia, the Azov and Right Sektor, have been reported to be retreating. Its OK to lob mortar shells into a civilian settlement but when confronted by a well trained military the ukrainian forces simply melt away and ultimately the state will collapse.
Again, thanks for your updates. You are much better at it than the other guy. Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 8:27 utc | 441

Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 6:06 utc | 381
Ben, I think most of the documentation was made by the OSCE.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 24 2022 8:32 utc | 442

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:44 utc | 421
I live in the EU, but I have decided to do a MSM fast for a few days, so I can’t give you a report. Don’t expect it to be pretty…

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Feb 24 2022 8:43 utc | 443

I looked through Scott Ritter’s Twitter and found this…
https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/01/moscows-compellence-strategy/
Accurate and presient

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 9:17 utc | 444

@Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2022 16:42 utc | 28
Thanks for the link to the CP hit-piece on Putin’s speech.
I’ve stopped paying attention to Counterpunch a while ago, at the beginning of the plandemic, when I realized they just kept repeating: death-shots good, mandates good, we are free. They have always been lefty and I guess it pays for them to continue down the wrong path to the bitter end. Its what any death-cult does: they double down.
I remember (a long time ago) Chomsky appeared on CP regularly, and I still had respect for him. But his performance, starting from the Trump victory over Clinton, and HIS subsequent downing of all the plandemic kool aid, has left a bitter taste in MY mouth. What happened to Chomsky?
Regarding Patrick Cockburn, he’s always been a bit of an enigma. I never fully trusted his judgement, and now with your ‘expose’ of his opinions on Putin’s ‘rambling’ speech…well what can I say…I will continue to totally ignore all things CP.
FWIW, I also put Nakedcapitalism (NC) in the same category (to be ignored, not leftist) having seen first hand the touching naivete of Yves Smith and company. The consistent support (don’t know about now since I ignore them) for the plandemic narrative with stats from USA Today…I mean wow!
Bill Hicks was onto something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL8dHf16CEs

Posted by: Idiocrates | Feb 24 2022 10:15 utc | 445

@Julian | Feb 24 2022 5:08 utc | 300

“NATO is designed to keep the Americans “IN”, keep the Russians “OUT” and keep the Germans “DOWN””
Mission Accomplished on that score.

I would not say that was a mission. The mission is empire, hegemony and now that it is slipping (or has slipped) out of reach, the US needs straws to clutch. So any news is good news, even if it is actually bad news.
Its a delaying tactic – to delay the inevitable. Gathering as many toys as possible before being kicked out of the sandpit. Remember: Germany/EU allowed this to be done to them, there was nothing inevitable about THAT.

Posted by: Idiocrates | Feb 24 2022 10:21 utc | 446

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 12:04 utc | 494
“NATO is not going to close the Bosphorus Strait for Russian ships yet, Stoltenberg said”
Kind of pointless at the moment. Russia already has any naval assets it needs in the Black Sea. Others are in the Eastern Mediterranean. Turkey won’t close the straits unless NATO takes part, and then we will be in a wider war and nothing will get through the straits because they will be closed by Russia if not Turkey.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 24 2022 12:21 utc | 447

re: the question whether the collective west thought about Russia recognising the Dombass as an independent state.
I have wondered this also and decided no they did not. I agree with Trump that this was a deft, ingenious move which basically accomplished what the Ukraine was never going to do only a bit more. And…..Russia did not invade; they were invited in by the two new independent twin countries, as Pepe Escobar called them.
It seems that the immediate problem is essentially solved. There will be no nuclear weapons or any weapons installed in Ukraine by western powers. Done.
Now what is the next interesting question.

Posted by: lizzie dw | Feb 24 2022 13:08 utc | 448

@psychohistorian #407
Foreigners in toto have essentially not increased their US Treasury holdings since 2012.
They are rolling over what they already have but that’s it.
So “stop buying” already occurred – since the US national debt hence US Treasuries outstanding has nearly doubled since 2012.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 24 2022 16:09 utc | 449

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:57 utc | 227
Did you just ask if the American invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was considered war and suggest it wasn’t?
Yes it was considered war …
This is a full scale invasion of Ukraine.
This is an unprovoked war that Russia is perpetrating on the Ukraine. Stop with the denialism, it’s depressing.

Posted by: d0ng | Feb 24 2022 18:05 utc | 450

Trolls acting as pacifists are out in force now the nazi’s are getting what they were dishing out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 18:09 utc | 451

there’s now a russian invasion. enjoy your crow.
Posted by: line islands | Feb 24 2022 2:54 utc | 195
You say invasion; Israel and the US say preemptive precision strike. Now Russia uses the West terms too.

Posted by: doesitreallymatte | Feb 24 2022 18:11 utc | 452

Pacifist? That’s a first. I’m not taking the bait, anyone can search MoA history and will find nothing of the sort from me. Unable to hold an actual discussion so you resort to fallacy and making things up.. fantastic.

Posted by: d0ng | Feb 24 2022 19:41 utc | 453

Ben | Feb 24 2022 6:06 utc | 385
Ben you sound like an idiot. Militaries around the world prepare for contingencies. The good ones do it real well (the US being so arrogant, not so much). You make out that well prepared organizations are simply disingenuous. I think you project what the US does, lies compulsively, onto other parties; and you do it unjustly.

Posted by: doesitreallymatter | Feb 24 2022 21:15 utc | 454

Anyone already read this piece?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/russian-bombs-62985663?
Seems reasonably balanced at first blush, at least from the historical angle, but I haven’t had a chance to do a deep dive.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 1:13 utc | 455

Posted by: d1ng d0ng | Feb 24 2022 18:05 utc | 504
Where’s the evidence for a “full scale” invasion? I’m looking at several live webcam feeds from various places in Ukraine including Kyiv and no sign of the “hundreds of thousands” of Russian troops we were constantly told were amassing at the border. So what constitutes a “full scale invasion” in your mind?
To those others who keep chiming in that b and other MoA posters were wrong about the invasion, try wrapping your brain around the fact that only 20% of Ukrainians thought it was going to happen as well.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/why-ukrainians-dont-believe-in-war-with-russia-distrust-west
God knows what role the USUKNATO psychological-media-meltdown over “false flags” and such played in Putin and his security council’s decision to destroy most of Ukraine’s military, but it was indeed a surprise to many. Regardless, this is not yet a full scale invasion and I personally doubt it will become one without significant military actions coming from outside actors like NATO (aka USAUK). I hope I’m right, but these are uncertain times.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 25 2022 1:38 utc | 456

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/LiveMaps/index.html?appid=b92d26f0f1554fac81940a4cf232839a
Handy web app that just went live for the Russia – Ukraine crisis.

Posted by: d0ng | Feb 25 2022 14:59 utc | 457

Is your premise really that NATO wants or would even tolerate Ukraine to have nukes?
stupid dumbshit.

Posted by: betterthanyou | Feb 27 2022 22:54 utc | 458