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February 23, 2022
There Is Still No ‘Russian Invasion’ But The Sanctions Proceeded Anyway

The information war about the current U.S.-Russia standoff continues. That is why the New York Times is again pushing fake Russian invasion claims:

Russia faced mounting pressure and economic sanctions over the Ukraine crisis on Wednesday as the United States and allies coordinated punishments and denounced the beginning of an “invasion of Ukraine.”

The global response began early Tuesday, just hours after President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia recognized the self-declared separatist states in eastern Ukraine and Russian forces started rolling into their territory, according to NATO, European Union and White House officials. It was the first major deployment of Russian troops across the internationally recognized border since the current crisis began.

No Russian forces have recently been seen in Donbas or have been noticed rolling in. Moreover the Ukraine has made no claims that an invasion is happening. 

The alleged invasion is again a claim without any evidence. It is part of the information war the U.S. is waging against Russia. All the anonymous intelligence-lacking officials who make such claims are simply lying. They have no sources or evidence to support such claims.

Just ask how many of them have predicted that Russia would officially recognize the Donbas republics? There is not one I am aware of.

As Patrick Cockburn notes:

Information wars are always a component of military conflicts, potential and actual. Usually, security services play a large role in orchestrating them. But these propaganda wars are dangerous because they tend to fly out of control and demonising an opponent hinders negotiations. Political leaders, for their part, tend to believe an unhealthy amount of their own propaganda and often act as if it was all true.

The last part is the real danger and it is happening right now. Biden, Blinken and others have for months falsely predicted a 'Russian invasion' and threatened to issue sanctions if it would come.

There is currently no 'Russian invasion' of Ukrainian or Donbas republics territory but the sanctioning has proceeded anyway without any further reasoning.

In a press conference yesterday the Russian president Vladimir Putin explicitly said that no Russian troops were yet to go in:

Regarding the use of the Armed Forces abroad. Well, of course. By all means. We signed treaties yesterday, and these treaties with the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic contain relevant clauses that say that we will provide these republics with appropriate assistance, including military. Since there is an ongoing conflict there, we make it clear by this decision that, if need be, we plan to fulfill our obligations.

Vladimir Putin: First, I did not say our troops would enter right away, after our meeting here. That is first. Second, it is absolutely impossible to predict the detailed path of possible actions. It depends on the concrete situation that is unfolding on the ground, as they say.

Russia is not interested in going to war. It wants do avoid an attack of Ukrainian forces on the Donbas republics. That is why it gave the security guarantees to them. It hopes that this will be sufficient to deter an Ukrainian attack.

This is what Russia wants to stop:


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The cutout above is from a map by the OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine and depicts the number of explosion the OSCE observers registered on Monday, February 21 2022. The majority of the explosions are again by far on the Donbas republics side and have, after a lull on Sunday, again increased.

This imbalance has been the case for a long time. A UN report about civilian casualties in Ukraine (h/t Aaron Maté) shows that in recent years more than 80% of the civilians killed in the conflict were on the Donbas side.


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The artillery impacts show that the Ukrainian military is currently preparing the ground for an attack towards Donetzk and Luhansk. It has also brought up air defense systems which it will need to cover the attack.

If the Ukrainian military stops its bombardment and retreats from the border there is no need for any Russian soldier to roll into Ukraine.

There are claims that Russia will invade anyway because it has recognized the DNR and LNR republics within their constitutional borders. These are the original administrative regions borders and exceed the currently held grounds. However Putin says that this should be negotiated:

With regard to the borders within which we will recognise these republics, we did recognise them, which means we recognised their foundational documents, including the Constitution, and the Constitution stipulates their borders within the Donetsk and Lugansk regions at the time when they were part of Ukraine. But we expect, and I want to emphasise this, that all disputes will be resolved during talks between the current Kiev authorities and the leaders of these republics. Unfortunately, at this point in time, we realise that it is impossible to do so, since hostilities are still ongoing and, moreover, they are showing signs of escalating. But I hope this is how it will turn out in the future.

Putin has also shown a clear way out of the conflict:

The situation around Ukraine could be resolved with demilitarization of the republic and its rejection of accession to NATO, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, answering reporters’ questions in the wake of the talks with his Azerbaijani counterpart Ilham Aliyev.

The head of state underscored that Russia will provide military aid to Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), adding the deployment of forces in Donbass will not be announced right now.

In order to settle the situation, democratic states must first and foremost recognize the will of the residents of the Crimean Peninsula on reconciliation with Russia.

"The first thing that everybody must do is to recognize the will of the people who live in Sevastopol and in Crimea," he said.

Next, Moscow offers Ukraine to voluntarily drop its plans to join NATO.

"We act out of what many people are saying, including in the Western capitals: that the best resolution of this issue for our colleagues to preserve their faces would be Kiev authorities’ voluntary rejection of accession to NATO. Effectively, they would implement the concept of neutrality."

Russia demands that the West "stopped pumping the current Kiev authorities with modern weapons."

"Therefore, the main point – is demilitarization of the modern Ukraine to a certain degree, because this is the only objectively controllable factor, which could be supervised and which could be reacted to."

Moscow cannot allow restoration of Ukraine’s nuclear power status, which Ukrainian authorities talk about.

"Even acquisition of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine means a strategic threat for us," he said.

'Western' media seem confused why Putin made that last point. It was in reply to a threat the Ukrainian president Zelensky had made during the Munich security conference:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said at the Munich Security Conference that he would initiate consultations within the framework of the Budapest Memorandum.

If the summit of the countries participating in the Budapest Memorandum does not take place or does not provide Ukraine with security guarantees, the document will be recognized by Ukraine as invalid along with the points that were signed in 1994, the Ukrainian President said.

The Budapest Memorandum, signed on December 5, 1994, by Britain, Russia, the United States and Ukraine, provided guarantees of Ukraine's security and territorial integrity in exchange for Kyiv's surrendering of nuclear weapons. The document entered into force after Ukraine signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of nuclear weapons.

The Ukraine has the materials and knowledge to build nuclear weapons if it wants to do that. It also has the missiles needed to deliver them.

No Russian leader will condone such a threat right next to its border.

If the 'western' and Ukrainian officials really wanted to prevent a 'Russian invasion' they would now take steps to deescalate the situation.

Unfortunately they are doing the opposite. 

Comments

This from Bellum Acta
“Supposed strikes in Moldova are most likely the sounds of explosions across the border in Odessa”

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:25 utc | 301

Kadath | Feb 24 2022 5:23 utc | 326
The map I saw had the arrow heading in towards Odessa rather than Moldovia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:26 utc | 302

Striking Moldova would be random. It’s not even in play in these tensions. Doesn’t remotely pass the smell test.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:27 utc | 303

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 5:15 utc | 312
I think that after operation is finished, NATO is gone. That’s the whole point.

The immediate great problem is the interval before that occurs.
I suspect most of the EU capitals have their heads spinning.
Reality has kicked them in the teeth, their citizens may soon be freezing, their industry rendered uncompetitive, and the hegemon demanding theu increase their military budgets.
One good thing. The youth of today are weak, hard to train and higly inlikely to respond to teh colours asoccured in 1914. Since the state leadership will be aware of this fact they are forced to give up their woke BS and pay attention to the facts on the ground. They all stood around while Azov and Right Sektor carried out atrocities. They did nothing.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:28 utc | 304

When Americans are shown up ( exposed as weak and liars) they don’t get reflective and wise ,they get mad.
Too much shame and they will act.

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 5:29 utc | 305

@YourMom
I find it hard to believe that the Ukrainian military would simply evaporate Afghanistan style. This doesn’t feel real.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:29 utc | 306

@ Sushi 316
At present [Biden] will look extremely incompetent.
Well yeah, you mess with bears and you get bitten. Reminds me of Hank the tank: . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 5:30 utc | 307

Zelensky: I am going to acquire nukes.
Zelensky in exile: I am going to acquire taxi license
—-
Zelensky: I am going to acquire nukes.
Zelensky in exile: I am going to do Polish jokes.

Zelensky: I am going to acquire nukes.
Zelensky in exile: I am going to be spokesman for running shoes

Posted by: librul | Feb 24 2022 5:31 utc | 308

Zelensky: I am going to acquire nukes.
Zelensky in exile: I am going to acquire taxi license
—-
Zelensky: I am going to acquire nukes.
Zelensky in exile: I am going to do Polish jokes.

Zelensky: I am going to acquire nukes.
Zelensky in exile: I am going to be spokesman for running shoes

Posted by: librul | Feb 24 2022 5:32 utc | 309

Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 24 2022 5:21 utc | 320

So here we see once again the fake narrative promulgated by b and the barfleas proven incorrect.
Hope the pay is good. Hope the feeling of warmth at the center of the herd feels good.

Put down the crack pipe for a minute. There is no “false narrative” here, just people stating what they think is going on with the information they have.
You can see everyone on this forum updating their viewpoints as new information comes in, which is more than I can say for the self-delusional Western Imperial complex and their stooges, you among them.
I’m certainly sure *your* pay is good, you parasitic NATO shill.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 5:32 utc | 310

#334 I don’t think that you will find many Europeans willing to fight for the hegemon. This is a huge reality check. It reminds me on what Julius Cezar did in his time.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 5:33 utc | 311

From Intel Slava
Airstrike against the Ivano-Frankivsk airport in the far west of Ukraine, the heart of Galicia. No part of Ukraine is safe from the operation

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:33 utc | 312

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:19 utc | 317
Achieving air superiority is the first step. RF appears to have accomplished that.
I do not think RF will stop until it takes possession of the entre Black Sea coastline and the Sea of Azov coastline. THis seals Ukraine off from the Balak Sea and denies UK other NATO naval bases which they are reported to have commenced constructing.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:33 utc | 313

@Arch Bungle
And as of a week ago there was going to be no invasion. Washington made this happen.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:33 utc | 314

@ Cesare 336
I find it hard to believe that the Ukrainian military would simply evaporate Afghanistan style. This doesn’t feel real.
What do you suggest the Ukraine military do, when faced with overwhelming force? And if you don’t know, then it becomes easier to believe.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 5:34 utc | 315

As a previous commenter mentioned, Biden has a State of the Union to give in less than a week and he is going to be shown as a total fool after this. Let’s go Brandon indeed. The US economy is going to get taken back behind the shed after this crisis. I wonder who the American people will blame?

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 24 2022 5:34 utc | 316

Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:29 utc | 336 “I find it hard to believe that the Ukrainian military would simply evaporate Afghanistan style.”
That’s what happens when a knuckle dragging pissant pokes a high tech bear.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:34 utc | 317

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:29 utc | 336

I find it hard to believe that the Ukrainian military would simply evaporate Afghanistan style. This doesn’t feel real.

It makes sense:
They couldn’t handle two of their own provinces, largely backed by Russian volunteers and civilian volunteers. They’ve been held at bay for 8 years by an army of hobbyists … That is a measure of weakness that won’t hold up to the Russian Military Forces.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 5:36 utc | 318

Moldova
In all the jawing about Ukraine, what went unnoticed here were actions to cut off transnistria from all imports and exports. Also a plan to hit transnistria at the same time as DNR/LNR
This is part of what was covered by threatening to hunt down any who commit massacres or political purges.

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 5:36 utc | 319

@multiple
Yeah, I know, but just about everyone expected, in some hypothetical Russia/Ukraine war in the future, a drawn out campaign lasting days and days with intense fighting, with Russia having to clear Ukraine block by block.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:36 utc | 320

Is Russia going in and taking over the nukes to protect them from sabotage?
I hope Russia can find and eliminate all the cells of hidden potential terrorism during this process.
I wonder if there are Russian jets on their way to bomb Turkish outposts in Syria in response to Turkey sending support to Ukraine?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 5:38 utc | 321

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:33 utc | 343

And as of a week ago there was going to be no invasion. Washington made this happen.

Absolutely. Self fulfilling prophecy. As I posted some weeks ago:
“It’s easy to predict the future when you’re involved in fabricating it.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 5:38 utc | 322

From Reuters:
UKRAINE MILITARY SAYS INFORMATION ABOUT THE LANDING OF RUSSIAN TROOPS IN ODESSA IS FALSE
UKRAINE MILITARY SAYS AIR FORCE OF THE ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE IS REPELLING AN AIR ATTACK BY THE INVADER

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:40 utc | 323

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 5:27 utc | 331
Approximate map of areas occupied by Russian Army land, naval and air units

I suspect there will no operational end until such time as RF has firm possession of the entire Black Sea, Sea of Azov littoral in addition to possession of the pre-putsch boundaries of LDR and DNR.
Possession of the littoral alsosolves the water problems of Crimea. The Ukes cut the canal that supplied water to Crimea and this has created signitfcnt problems. Control of Sea of Azov also gives RF secure access to a canal that links to the Caspian. This permits movement of light RF naval forces. But even the light vessels are armed with kalbre missiles.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:41 utc | 324

And Light Mom – Thanks for the updates.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:41 utc | 325

Cesare | 350

a drawn out campaign lasting days and days with intense fighting, with Russia having to clear Ukraine block by block.

That is the Americans’ “quagmire” plan.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 5:42 utc | 326

b’s last words on this thread:
If the ‘western’ and Ukrainian officials really wanted to prevent a ‘Russian invasion’ they would now take steps to deescalate the situation. Unfortunately they are doing the opposite.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 5:42 utc | 327

@WJ
Reminds me of the opening phases of the western front in WWI. The French general staff press reported nothing but victories for weeks, yet for those with handy access to a map, the victories kept coming closer to Paris.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:42 utc | 328

It will be interesting to see if all the ethnic Russian areas will declare independence after this. Wont be any Right Sector clowns to stand over them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:43 utc | 329

Representatives of NATO countries will hold an emergency meeting – 🇬🇧 Reuters

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:44 utc | 330

WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:40 utc | 353
Why are you putting bullshit in caps?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:45 utc | 331

When Americans are shown up ( exposed as weak and liars) they don’t get reflective and wise ,they get mad.

Correct.
And then they occupy Seattle and Portland, smash up Wisconsin, kill some people, cause several billion in property damage and the US media praises them for this peaceful demonstration.
I suspect big changes coming to America.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:46 utc | 332

I have a very hard time believing that anybody is going to want to muster a NATO sortie against the Russian military at this time. I suspect this is all bluster and face-saving. I hope it is, because if NATO does stupidly decide to engage, then we are well on our way toward frightening levels of escalation.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:46 utc | 333

It was copied and pasted from the Reuter’s headline. I’m just trying to share information. I’ll stop and let others contribute now. My apologies.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:47 utc | 334

Arch Bungle
One can determine truth without shilling. You wouldnt know that of course. Apparently you havent even read the headline of this inaccurate posting by b.
Your idiotic condemnation is my affirmation. Thanks.

Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 24 2022 5:47 utc | 335

More updates from ZH

RUSSIA IS ATTACKING UKRAINE’S MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE WITH HIGH-PRECISION WEAPONS – RIA CITES RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY
RUSSIA SAYS IT’S TARGETING UKRAINE ANTI-AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS: IFX
RUSSIA: USING HIGH PRECISION STRIKES ON UKRAINE MILITARY: IFX
ZELENSKIY: UKRAINE IS INTRODUCING MARTIAL LAW
UKRAINE IMPOSES MARTIAL LAW ACROSS THE COUNTRY: ZELENSKIY
RUSSIAN DEFMIN: NO THREAT TO UKRAINE POPULATION: TASS
UKRAINE PRESIDENT SAYS RUSSIA CARRIED OUT MISSILE STRIKES ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ON OUR BORDER GUARDS
RUSSIAN-BACKED REBELS SAY START ATTACK ON UKRAINE-CONTROLLED TOWN NEAR LUHANSK – IFAX

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 5:50 utc | 336

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:29 utc | 336
I find it hard to believe that the Ukrainian military would simply evaporate Afghanistan style. This doesn’t feel real.

Believe it.
It is what happened in Georgia. And Afghanistan.
You need to go read some WWII ost front history. Tough SOB’s those Russkies. Occupied 126 German divisions while Bradley was stalled by less than 10. Montgomery could not fight his way through German scratch forces (the clerks, cooks and baker battalions) to save the 1st Airborne at Arnhem.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:51 utc | 337

Time for US ironclad, unwavering support to Ukraine.
Dmytro Kuleba@DmytroKuleba
The world must act immediately. Future of Europe & the world is at stake. To do list:
1. Devastating sanctions on Russia NOW, including SWIFT
2. Fully isolate Russia by all means, in all formats
3. Weapons, equipment for Ukraine
4. Financial assistance
5. Humanitarian assistance . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 5:51 utc | 338

over 100 posts later, this one stuck in my mind…
“Russia is decimating the Ukrainian military. The US will complain and yell and cry but I really do think this ends up making the US look very weak. All it can muster is some financial sanctions that don’t even harm Russia that much. It makes the US look very weak and Nato look bad.
Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 4:27 utc | 246”
thanks for the updates everyone.. as sad as it is, i appreciate it..

Posted by: james | Feb 24 2022 5:51 utc | 339

WJ I didn’t realise it was copy and paste. You want to post something just post it. nobody seems to be cluttering up the thread but so many comments its a full time reading.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:51 utc | 340

There are a lot of positives for Russia here
– Shows how brutally competent the Russian armed forces are, blowing away Ukrainian armed forces in a day or so
– Shows NATO to be utterly useless, lost Afghanistan and now Ukraine (not counting the stupid Georgia). Who is going to trust their statements of support in the future?
– Completely destroys Biden’s credibility, Republicans will sweep the mid-terms and then open up lots of investigations on the election etc., causing US domestic chaos
– Germany gets to understand that there are consequences for stupid actions
– Destroys the Ukronazis and returns Ukraine to the Russian camp in a demilitarized way. Add that to stopping the coups in Belarus and Kazakhstan and a very good year for Russia. Next a black eye for Turkey and the US in Syria?
The US will be begging Iran for a deal …

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2022 5:52 utc | 341

Roger 372
Europe will be wanting Iranian gas. That will be the time for Iran to smile and give them the middle finger.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:56 utc | 342

Found on the web. Reliable?:
Ukrainian parliament speaker Stefanchuk was seen fleeing Kiev with her family (google translate)
4 second video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccwuFGmEodc

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 5:59 utc | 343

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:47 utc | 365
I’ll stop and let others contribute now. My apologies.

Don’t stop and don’t apologize.
Just ignore him.
We are making this up as we go and every scrap of information is useful.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:01 utc | 344

Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 24 2022 5:47 utc | 366

Arch Bungle
One can determine truth without shilling. You wouldnt know that of course.

Or without throwing around accusations of shilling – so take your own advice.

Apparently you havent even read the headline of this inaccurate posting by b.

I have. It’s accurate for the time it was written. Were the next headline still the same it would be inaccurate.
Why would you want to retrospectively judge information presented at the time it was accurate by the changes that happened shortly after?
That’s just irrational.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 6:02 utc | 345

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Feb 23 2022 19:50 utc | 92
Thank you for that info. I found by accident that if one is using Google Chrome and creates an Incognito Window that Twitter no longer will bring up the pop up login in form. Have no idea why, but it works.

Posted by: Erelis | Feb 24 2022 6:03 utc | 346

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 5:51 utc | 369

LOL. He wants WWIII just to protect his sorry corrupt ologarchoc ass.
If he really wants to do something he should draft Hunter Biden. I am sure Hunter shares his perspective on global affairs.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:05 utc | 347

Nato needed 3 months to crack weakened Yugoslavia. Now the clock is ticking for us to see how the opposing team fares.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 6:06 utc | 348

@Sushi
I live outside Portland. You’re an idiot. Everything that happened there happened in the space of a handful of city blocks in downtown. It was never more than a small scale riot of overzealous retards.
@others
Some of you seem to be saying that this was some relatively spur of the moment decision, that there wasn’t going to be an invasion even just a week ago. You can’t be that stupid. Something like this takes a long time to put together. In retrospect the events of recent months were all preparation for this. The ‘military maneuvers’ were cover for massing an invasion force. The troops withdrawn after the ‘maneuvers’ were completed really weren’t withdrawn, just as western officials were claiming. I wouldn’t even be surprised if the ‘incursions’ into Donbass were entirely fake (and let’s not forget the Ukrainians who supposedly brought APCs into Russia proper for…some reason. Complete with *totally authentic* documentation conveniently proven how Ukrainian they were).

Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 6:06 utc | 349

Don Baco @199–
Agreed! I wrote more about it at my VK space, so it was very useful. Thanks!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2022 6:07 utc | 350

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 6:03 utc | 377
“Gentlemen, this is the war room..
you can’t fight in here!”

LOL.
Spoken like a true Uke military officer watching his map symbols evaporate.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:09 utc | 351

@ Ben | Feb 24 2022 6:06 utc | 381 with the invasion drum beat lisp
Was Operation Enduring Freedom an invasion?
just asking for a friend….lol

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 6:11 utc | 352

Cato Institute, 2017
The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking.

As Ukraine’s political crisis deepened, Nuland and her subordinates became more brazen in favoring the anti‐​Yanukovych demonstrators. Nuland noted in a speech to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation on December 13, 2013, that she had traveled to Ukraine three times in the weeks following the start of the demonstrations. Visiting the Maidan on December 5, she handed out cookies to demonstrators and expressed support for their cause.
The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking. Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post‐​Yanukovych government. The U.S‑favored candidates included Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the man who became prime minister once Yanukovych was ousted from power. During the telephone call, Nuland stated enthusiastically that “Yats is the guy” who would do the best job. . .here

Ambassador Victoria Nuland was sworn-in as Under Secretary for Political Affairs, in Bidens’s administraton, in April 2021.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 6:11 utc | 353

Financial Markets are getting rug-pulled. LOL.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2022 6:11 utc | 354

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 6:03 utc | 377

“Gentlemen, this is the war room..
you can’t fight in here!”

Consider me suitably chastened. Please bear with me while I adopt a more supine position near my bar stool …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 6:13 utc | 355

It’s a sign of the times when I’m getting my news updates on this from these comments. Melbourne is going to light up the city in yellow and blue in solidarity with the neo-Nazis. Jesus H tap-dancing Kee-rist on a hamburger bun.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 24 2022 6:17 utc | 356

Hysterical Thread.
It starts with the laughable idea that the Ukrainians had attacked.
Then denial that there is an invasion.
And then, whoops, bombs started falling in Kyiv.
I am sure the same people will be blaming the US for the Russians invading.
It really is quite funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

Posted by: NoWar | Feb 24 2022 6:18 utc | 357

I predict Russia will swiftly and expeditiously occupy most of the contiguous Russian speaking majority areas of ‘the Ukraine’ [the borderlands] before the inevitable UN calls for a ceasefire. This will leave ‘the borderlands’ as a landlocked rump state.
Russia has a historic collective memory of invasions coming from the west. This could have been avoided.
Anglo/Zionist Captive Nations Nations have a well rehearsed collective memory of practising studied ignorance by dismissing legitimate grievances, at home and abroad.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 24 2022 6:19 utc | 358

This war and suffering could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border
A sane appraisal from Tulsi Gabbard.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:20 utc | 359

@YourMom 387
the air defense systems of the armed forces of Ukraine were suppressed
This whole exercise will be studied by the US military as a serious wake-up call to forces who have been occupied (unsuccessfully) putting down third-world countries and have not been faced with competent forces.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 6:22 utc | 360

I was watching what was happening in Donbass on a few VK accounts in the weeks after MH17. On one was a picture I will always remember, a young mother and her baby both dead on the street, she still holding the baby, one of her legs twisted up. They had been hit with grad or artillery.
Shit it is good to finally see these bastards get a pounding. While Russia is in there, I hope they track down every name that is on their lists.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 6:23 utc | 361

@383 Your Mom – Time to avenge the killings of Givi, Motorola, Zakharchenko, the victims of May 2 Odessa, and everyone else harmed by the NATO supported Banderite scum.
Slow to saddle, but quick to ride.
God knows what half assed response the West will have. Hopefully just words. Otherwise…

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 24 2022 6:24 utc | 362

Not altogether surprising. I was curious how Putin would make his move in line with the UN Charter. Russia’s completely within its rights, far more so than any NATO action. We shall discover the level of surgical expertise by Russia’s weapons and targeting intel. Looks like it’ll be a decommunization & denazification combo, just as Putin foreshadowed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 363

Yes, clearly the way to avoid war was to make sure the Ukrainians had no way to defend themselves.
It’s like saying because you were trying to protect yourself I had to kill you.
The stupidity is so astounding as to be breathtaking.
Putin wants to put back the Soviet Union. He didn’t give a damn about some vague idea that Ukraine was going to join NATO – NATO wouldn’t have accepted them anyway.

Posted by: NoWar | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 364

I am open to the view that this attack was planned well ahead of time, though as a contingency. I do not believe the attacks by Ukraine upon LDNR were fake, and OSCE data confirms this. I believe that had Ukraine pulled back from the LDNR then this would not have happened. But if Russia is going to be put in a position where they feel they need to attack, they are going to really fucking attack, and that is what we are seeing now. If you cast this as Russian “aggression” you are ignoring the past eight years of concerted attempts at diplomacy carried out by Russia in spite of having to deal with ignorant and insufferable US state department cretins. Russia truly saw this move as the last resort, and as something that had to be done within a window of time in which Russia enjoyed technical and escalation dominance.
Why did the Ukraine ever listen to the US in the first place?

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 365

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 6:22 utc | 396
Both RF and China have extensively studied the US air offensive in Iraq. It was a textbook demonstration of what to do. I don’t think they USAF will have much to learn from these events.
The scale and speed of the RF intervention is Kazakstan should have given them forewarning of what to expect in Ukraine.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:27 utc | 366

@ too scents | Feb 24 2022 6:11 utc | 388 who wrote

Financial Markets are getting rug-pulled. LOL.

I saw that 800 points down was the magic number before the PPT (Plunge Protection Team) made their move and its hovering between 600-700 down now. Folks need to understand that “they” can borrow-for-free enough money from the Fed each day in manners hidden from the public to make the Dow and associated indexes do anything they want…..financial fundamentals are so 1970’s……
Another indicator of financial stability is US Treasury sales which are also manipulated more than ever before. I keep saying that the shit show will stop if/when other countries stop buying US Treasuries. That is not quite accurate given the private ownership of some countries Central Banks but part of what is going to happen now is financial polarity and some nasty period of instability until that polarity makes peace instead of war.
There are those that will say that the China/Russia axis does not have the financial capabilities and they will be blowing smoke….just because the current volume of usage is small does not limit potential use ….and evolution of such to meet people needs instead of oligarchy needs.
Lets get the civilization war out into the open, I say.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 6:29 utc | 367

President Biden @POTUS
·1h
President Zelenskyy reached out to me tonight and we just finished speaking. I condemned this unprovoked and unjustified attack by Russian military forces. I briefed him on the steps we are taking to rally international condemnation, including tonight at the UN Security Council. . .here
…the UN Security Council, chaired by Russia.
also
Tomorrow, I will be meeting with the Leaders of the G7, and the United States and our Allies and partners will be imposing severe sanctions on Russia. . .hah. .the department of sanctions strikes again

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 6:31 utc | 368

@401 WJ
Very well stated

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 6:32 utc | 369

From RT
“In a statement, Eduard Basurin said that “the armed forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic are attacking the positions of the the Ukrainian army along the entire line of contact, using every means of destruction available to them,” he said”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 6:33 utc | 370

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 401
Why did the Ukraine ever listen to the US in the first place?

They listened because it was billions of American dollars and Victoria Nuland that gave them control of a state they could loot to their hearts content.
Nuland was recreating Ukraine in the image of the USA.
A small cadre of plutocrats collects all the income and the citizens are abandonned to die like donkeys or eke out a poverty level existence.
I suspect one of the outomes of this action is we will learn much more about the abysmal conditions faced by the average citizen.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:34 utc | 371

financial fundamentals are so 1970’s……
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 6:29 utc | 403

Fake money will have its day of reckoning.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2022 6:35 utc | 372

Posted by: NoWar | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 400

It’s like saying because you were trying to protect yourself I had to kill you.
The stupidity is so astounding as to be breathtaking.

This has been normalised by the USA and it’s junior partner NATO.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 6:35 utc | 373

If you think Ukraine, knowing the massive imbalance of forces, attacked you are an idiot.
The idea makes no sense unless you are desperate to deny reality.
It is very clear the Russian attack is well coordinated and well planned. They didn’t just throw this together in a weekend.

Posted by: No War | Feb 24 2022 6:37 utc | 374

@391 Patroklos
I geuss here in Canada we can expect our revered leader to launch a national campaign to paint crosswalks in yellow and blue…
Sarc on

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 6:38 utc | 375

@Julian
Putin will drive a stake through the heart of NATO first.
*******
I wrote earlier that the U.S. will find a way to escalate and it will be to the detriment of all. What gives me hope is that neither Biden nor Zelensky will handle this well. Biden = low energy, Ze = neophyte. No doubt that was part of Putin’s equation. However, there is crazy in both countries that are salivating for this fight. ex, little Marco and Tom Cotton on U.S. side.
If Ukraine falls, the next domino will be USNATO. Like I stated: this is a watershed moment and Putin couldn’t have picked a better time to strike while the iron is hot.
Footage of fireworks I wrote would happen tonight (West time.):
Russian retaliation

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 6:38 utc | 376

karlof1 399
Part of communication was actually creating the state of Ukraine and on the eastern side that meant using pieces of Russia to create it. I suspect that similar to Ukraine, the ethnic Russians would have been sounded out. I wouldn’t be surprised to see something similar to Crimea occur. The ethnic Russian from Odessa to Kharkov declaring independence then perhaps a referendum to join the Russian federation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 6:39 utc | 377

@ WJ | Feb 24 2022 6:26 utc | 401 about the contingency nature of this response.
Totally agree. It was quite clear to me that Putin was pissed about the bad response of the West after continued slicing of the escalation onion.
The telling element to me is that we are still spewing our textual white noise here instead of getting radiation tanning….as I asked earlier, what are the Military Generals saying about all this? I expect they are saying that, next to nuclear extinction, there is little they can do….and, by the way, Russia is following international law….and we are seeing alarming buildup in Syria that you may want to pay attention to……

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 6:41 utc | 378

following the action via Telegram, intel Slava channel.
This is Blitzkrieg with capital B, a blindingly fast steamroller.
Am impressed!

Posted by: CarlD | Feb 24 2022 6:42 utc | 379

I was planning on a quiet evening, and then checked into this thing…did more checking around…definitely happening.
Actually, this means: carry on with the quiet evening, because Russia will do what it has decided, and its actions will be successful, and in the morning one can read the count of the victories.
And the average death count will have gone down, because Russia is on the case, while the average evil count will have diminished greatly, as a result of the surgical strikes and targeted casualties.
It will be a peaceful sleep.
~~
@331 YourMom | Feb 24 2022 5:27 utc
If that map would prove to be accurate, then it is the perfect answer to the borderlands – Ukraine is landlocked. It never had a right to be on the water, and the seas should be denied to it.
Reports say that that the Ukrainian naval capability has been reduced to nil. One can hope this is true.
~~
@Sushi and YourMom
To date, I have regarded both of you as high level commenters – it seems strange that you appear to be at odds, offering opposing views or facts to each other. It’s my ignorance, of course, and I’ll have to sort this out, after the fog of war clears.
~~
For those who love cutting through the fog of war in real time, Richard Medhurst – as linked upthread and thanks to original poster – is on total fire in a live stream as I type:
BREAKING: Putin Announces “Special” Operation in Ukraine’s Donbas Region
It’s beautiful, but I must sleep – so those who can maintain the vigil, please enjoy for all of us.
~~
I look forward to the news of the Russian soldiers and their undertakings right now. How far has Russia gone, where did it actually extend to, which evils did it kill or capture? You will know, but I shall eventually see.
Until the morning, then, when the fog clears – I salute you all here, and all those in all the other forums, and President Putin and his crack team – and all the workers in uniforms who do the heavy lifting of these things. The essential workers.
May the greatest good be done during this US night for the greatest people, and I offer greetings to the civilians, whom I am sure are better off because of whatever this action is that Russia has undertaken.

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 24 2022 6:43 utc | 380

Under Secretary Victoria Nuland
@UnderSecStateP
15h
.@G7
foreign ministers coordinated sanctions on Russia’s financial sector and key Russian officials. We condemn Moscow’s recognition of the so-called “Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics” as “independent” states and #StandWithUkraine. . .here
…it’s too bad she’s not standing IN Ukraine.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 6:43 utc | 381

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 6:37 utc | 412
the NATO Bots are pumping out some astounding bullshit right now

If you have been lied to for 20 or 30 years it is difficult regaining a mind of your own.

Any EU folks with a report on the local market open? How are the media presenting this event? Nasty nasty Putin or Bidet’s incomprehensible second debacle after Afghanistan? The man saw it comming and, shiver my timbers, he pontificated.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:44 utc | 382

The 2020 election of Hunter Biden’s father, coupled with an equally deliberate implant of an obvious placeholder as VP, had forced the need for a showdown between the imperial/royalty/Gott-mit-uns Crazies* and the last-chance, humanist -oriented, undermensch 99% including Russia and China.
Russia/China’s analysis decisively pointed to the bot NPelosi soon becoming straw-President [she is 2nd in line-of-succession] to lead the final crushing of the latter’s hopes to live with reason and cooperation among humanity.
China’s and Russia’s leaders became certain their own survival now depended, without exception, on some joint action to create a BIG effect on the Crazies that should not result in all-out nuclear/bio war; there was/is no longer any alternative path…and the timing was established by the spectre of bot-Pelosi very suddenly being President to lead her peoples to glorious death by simply doing god’s work…crushing the Commies et al because “It is our destiny and Heavenly Glory to do it. It will be worth it.”
* Crazies…How else to describe that class of humanoids than to consider just 1 example:
The USA leadership, at all levels, had total charge over their deliberate creation of a nation called South Korea, for over 70 years. In 2014 their creation, who they mentored at all levels since 1946, was faced with the slow sinking of the large ferry MV [Motor Vessel] SEWOL, drowning about 300 teenager children.
Go look for videos of the event and watch the unbelievable and constant incompetence of the SKorean officials at all levels, from the highest .gov executives to the lowest authorities…Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Army, governors/mayors…all levels had no clue how to rescue anyone and merely watched in paralysis until the vessel SEWOL disappeared!!!
The USA Crazies created every one of those authorities from President Park to the lowly Commander of the single Coast Guard boat that arrived , “rescued” the SEWOL Captain and then stood off and watched for many hours until nightfall…the capsized SEWOL sank the next day!
Only civilian fishermen and divers attempted real rescue but were ordered to stand-down/desist by the “authorities”, AKA the sub-Crazies spawned by the USA Crazies for 70+ years. And not to mention the “investigations” that followed.

Posted by: chu teh | Feb 24 2022 6:46 utc | 383

rt reports just a very short while ago:
https://www.rt.com/russia/550426-ukrainian-air-defense-systems-suppressed/
Ukraine’s air defense destroyed – Russia
A lightning offensive has crippled the Ukrainian military, Moscow claims
Russia has taken out Ukraine’s air defenses and airforce with a series of precision attacks, the country’s Defense Ministry has said in a statement, after airports and runways across the country were rocked by explosions…..
Russia launched the offensive against Ukraine on Thursday morning on the orders of President Vladimir Putin, who said the goal of the operation was to demilitarize and “de-Nazify” Ukraine..”.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2022 6:46 utc | 384

@ Your mom 377
“Gentlemen, this is the war room…
you can’t fight in here”
Ha!
Hopefully we don’t end up quoting Dr. Strangelove too much!

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 24 2022 6:46 utc | 385

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 6:38 utc | 413
Trudeau rescinds the Emergency Act and war breaks out. Looks good on him.
Plus he donated $7 million in military arms to Ukraine. I suspect those armaments have been vapourized by a kalibre missile.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:47 utc | 386

@411 no war.
Ukraine probably didn’t attack.
The Canadian, UK, and US Trained, CIA directed Neo Nazis probably did… They were not under the command of the Ukrainian army, but the Ukrainian army made sure to put the Russian speaking conscripts on the front line to take the brunt of the response.
That’s why paratroops are landing behind those Azov guys who hold guns to the heads of those front line conscripts

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 6:48 utc | 387

As one of the barflies who did not think Russia would do it, I plead guilty.
But I have to say, eating crow this sweet is a mighty fine punishment.
pass the vodka 🙂

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2022 6:49 utc | 388

“NATO Bots are pumping out some astounding bullshit right now”
In a thread started by arguing there was no war, it turns out there is a full-scale invasion.
You do realize events have proven you completely wrong?
Or are you going to quote RT Again?
In the real world, the invasion is taking place. In the real world, a lot of people are going to die because Putin wanted Ukraine. That is the truth.
Of course, you don’t give a damn about that. And you don’t give a damn that this invasion was planned and started by Putin. What security threat exactly did Ukraine pose to a country with thousands of nuclear weapons and an army 10X at least the Ukraine’s?
It’s all nonsense. Propaganda.
And you fell for it.
You have been proven wrong by events. Period.

Posted by: Your Mom | Feb 24 2022 6:50 utc | 389

Some of the regular barflies who hate me due to my support of black rights and criminal justice reform in the USA might appreciate my tweet (and preceding action) to CounterFlunk:
https://twitter.com/TomQCollins1/status/1496736390616428546

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 6:52 utc | 390

Zionato shills ben & nowar are laughable and i doubt their paychecks will continue after the next 3 days. No one agrees no one will be convinced everyone seed through them and stares bare at the ridiculous agitprop they spew.
@396 mr. bacon
“This whole exercise will be studied by the US military as a serious wake-up call to forces who have been occupied (unsuccessfully) putting down third-world countries and have not been faced with competent forces.”
There is no US military expertise left to study this or anything. Lbgtwtfbbwq rights and diversity and equality are all that remains. Exopolitics bud. No race no gender everyone worldwide equal living in squalor under earth’s ET masters. Putin and Xi are our only hope.

Posted by: Timmay | Feb 24 2022 6:53 utc | 391

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 24 2022 6:43 utc | 418
Another poster has called me an idiot. I have no problem with that.
With regards YourMom I have no conflict with him, second every comment he has made (some of the best humour tonight imho), and thank him for his updates.
Cheers to you both!

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 6:53 utc | 392

WJ 401
That meeting not long back with Lavrov and Shoigu Putin had asked them to come up with proposals for a course of action. I guess what is occurring would have been planned out t that time or before. Lavrov thought it was worth diplomacy a little longer. Perhaps a culmination of events, US continuing to ignore the core security proposals, the large supply of arms being constantly shipped in, the comedians threats of nuclear weapons, and then the increasing provocation on the Donbass front line, they made the decision to go with Shoigu’s plans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 6:54 utc | 393

@416 psycho…
There was a cute bit of discounting going on when 2 days ago Lavrov told Bashar they were too busy in Ukraine to pay attention to Syrias problems

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 6:55 utc | 394

@ Your Mom | Feb 24 2022 6:50 utc | 428
Welcome to the bar
So, was Operation Enduring Freedom an invasion?
We keep having these folks stumbling into the bar doing all this projection stuff. Do they really think that is going to work here if enough of them newbies say it?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 6:56 utc | 395

” Lbgtwtfbbwq rights and diversity and equality are all that remains.”
Too funny.

Posted by: No War | Feb 24 2022 6:57 utc | 396

Trading on the Moscow Stock Exchange has been suspended.
I’ll guess we will see if a similar market failure occurs when the US markets opens.
Eventually we will learn the parties being most effected by the market failure.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2022 7:01 utc | 397

re: Your Mom | Feb 24 2022 6:50 utc | 428
Your Momma.
you write “In the real world, a lot of people are going to die because Putin wanted Ukraine. That is the truth”
No, that’s bullshit. Maybe you haven’t noticed the thousands of civilians in Donbass who have been butchered by the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the last 8 years? Or maybe you enjoyed that?
There will be trials soon for the nazi bastards who have directed the slaughter in the Donbass. You can contribute to their defense and feel better about things.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2022 7:02 utc | 398

@psychopath
Yes, it was. Invasions and imperialism are bad when anyone does it.

Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 7:02 utc | 399

Posted by: Your Mom | Feb 24 2022 6:50 utc | 428
You’re excluding all relevant context. Recall the reports that Russia had “amassed hundreds of thousands of troops” (ya know, like an actual invading force) “on the border” of Ukraine and were set to “invade” (again meaning with regiments and battalions of actual human troops carrying weaponry) and occupy the westernmost regions of Ukie including Kyiv. So where are all those twoops? Will they be moving in, Hitler style to really take over and OCCUPY the country? Or is this a rather limited exercise to both 1) demonstrate that Russia has the capabilities to quickly destroy, demoralize and decommission Ukrainian defenses if there WAS TO BE an invasion by mechanized artillery and troops and 2) disable the Ukrainian Nazis’ ability to launch (rather, renew and strengthen) their own Minsk agreement violating shelling of Eastern separatists?
Where’s the beef? Do you REALLY expect a REAL invasion along the lines of what has been conveyed in the Western media with 300,000+ troops ready to take Kyiv and hold it, or is this something different?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 24 2022 7:02 utc | 400