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February 23, 2022
There Is Still No ‘Russian Invasion’ But The Sanctions Proceeded Anyway

The information war about the current U.S.-Russia standoff continues. That is why the New York Times is again pushing fake Russian invasion claims:

Russia faced mounting pressure and economic sanctions over the Ukraine crisis on Wednesday as the United States and allies coordinated punishments and denounced the beginning of an “invasion of Ukraine.”

The global response began early Tuesday, just hours after President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia recognized the self-declared separatist states in eastern Ukraine and Russian forces started rolling into their territory, according to NATO, European Union and White House officials. It was the first major deployment of Russian troops across the internationally recognized border since the current crisis began.

No Russian forces have recently been seen in Donbas or have been noticed rolling in. Moreover the Ukraine has made no claims that an invasion is happening. 

The alleged invasion is again a claim without any evidence. It is part of the information war the U.S. is waging against Russia. All the anonymous intelligence-lacking officials who make such claims are simply lying. They have no sources or evidence to support such claims.

Just ask how many of them have predicted that Russia would officially recognize the Donbas republics? There is not one I am aware of.

As Patrick Cockburn notes:

Information wars are always a component of military conflicts, potential and actual. Usually, security services play a large role in orchestrating them. But these propaganda wars are dangerous because they tend to fly out of control and demonising an opponent hinders negotiations. Political leaders, for their part, tend to believe an unhealthy amount of their own propaganda and often act as if it was all true.

The last part is the real danger and it is happening right now. Biden, Blinken and others have for months falsely predicted a 'Russian invasion' and threatened to issue sanctions if it would come.

There is currently no 'Russian invasion' of Ukrainian or Donbas republics territory but the sanctioning has proceeded anyway without any further reasoning.

In a press conference yesterday the Russian president Vladimir Putin explicitly said that no Russian troops were yet to go in:

Regarding the use of the Armed Forces abroad. Well, of course. By all means. We signed treaties yesterday, and these treaties with the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic contain relevant clauses that say that we will provide these republics with appropriate assistance, including military. Since there is an ongoing conflict there, we make it clear by this decision that, if need be, we plan to fulfill our obligations.

Vladimir Putin: First, I did not say our troops would enter right away, after our meeting here. That is first. Second, it is absolutely impossible to predict the detailed path of possible actions. It depends on the concrete situation that is unfolding on the ground, as they say.

Russia is not interested in going to war. It wants do avoid an attack of Ukrainian forces on the Donbas republics. That is why it gave the security guarantees to them. It hopes that this will be sufficient to deter an Ukrainian attack.

This is what Russia wants to stop:


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The cutout above is from a map by the OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine and depicts the number of explosion the OSCE observers registered on Monday, February 21 2022. The majority of the explosions are again by far on the Donbas republics side and have, after a lull on Sunday, again increased.

This imbalance has been the case for a long time. A UN report about civilian casualties in Ukraine (h/t Aaron Maté) shows that in recent years more than 80% of the civilians killed in the conflict were on the Donbas side.


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The artillery impacts show that the Ukrainian military is currently preparing the ground for an attack towards Donetzk and Luhansk. It has also brought up air defense systems which it will need to cover the attack.

If the Ukrainian military stops its bombardment and retreats from the border there is no need for any Russian soldier to roll into Ukraine.

There are claims that Russia will invade anyway because it has recognized the DNR and LNR republics within their constitutional borders. These are the original administrative regions borders and exceed the currently held grounds. However Putin says that this should be negotiated:

With regard to the borders within which we will recognise these republics, we did recognise them, which means we recognised their foundational documents, including the Constitution, and the Constitution stipulates their borders within the Donetsk and Lugansk regions at the time when they were part of Ukraine. But we expect, and I want to emphasise this, that all disputes will be resolved during talks between the current Kiev authorities and the leaders of these republics. Unfortunately, at this point in time, we realise that it is impossible to do so, since hostilities are still ongoing and, moreover, they are showing signs of escalating. But I hope this is how it will turn out in the future.

Putin has also shown a clear way out of the conflict:

The situation around Ukraine could be resolved with demilitarization of the republic and its rejection of accession to NATO, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, answering reporters’ questions in the wake of the talks with his Azerbaijani counterpart Ilham Aliyev.

The head of state underscored that Russia will provide military aid to Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), adding the deployment of forces in Donbass will not be announced right now.

In order to settle the situation, democratic states must first and foremost recognize the will of the residents of the Crimean Peninsula on reconciliation with Russia.

"The first thing that everybody must do is to recognize the will of the people who live in Sevastopol and in Crimea," he said.

Next, Moscow offers Ukraine to voluntarily drop its plans to join NATO.

"We act out of what many people are saying, including in the Western capitals: that the best resolution of this issue for our colleagues to preserve their faces would be Kiev authorities’ voluntary rejection of accession to NATO. Effectively, they would implement the concept of neutrality."

Russia demands that the West "stopped pumping the current Kiev authorities with modern weapons."

"Therefore, the main point – is demilitarization of the modern Ukraine to a certain degree, because this is the only objectively controllable factor, which could be supervised and which could be reacted to."

Moscow cannot allow restoration of Ukraine’s nuclear power status, which Ukrainian authorities talk about.

"Even acquisition of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine means a strategic threat for us," he said.

'Western' media seem confused why Putin made that last point. It was in reply to a threat the Ukrainian president Zelensky had made during the Munich security conference:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said at the Munich Security Conference that he would initiate consultations within the framework of the Budapest Memorandum.

If the summit of the countries participating in the Budapest Memorandum does not take place or does not provide Ukraine with security guarantees, the document will be recognized by Ukraine as invalid along with the points that were signed in 1994, the Ukrainian President said.

The Budapest Memorandum, signed on December 5, 1994, by Britain, Russia, the United States and Ukraine, provided guarantees of Ukraine's security and territorial integrity in exchange for Kyiv's surrendering of nuclear weapons. The document entered into force after Ukraine signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of nuclear weapons.

The Ukraine has the materials and knowledge to build nuclear weapons if it wants to do that. It also has the missiles needed to deliver them.

No Russian leader will condone such a threat right next to its border.

If the 'western' and Ukrainian officials really wanted to prevent a 'Russian invasion' they would now take steps to deescalate the situation.

Unfortunately they are doing the opposite. 

Comments

Wish you would have been right on this one b but it looks like things are officially kicking off.

Posted by: d0ng | Feb 24 2022 3:23 utc | 201

Something going up in smoke and lighting up the sky in Kharkov
https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1496686715628625925
Also a report of an explosion at Odessa.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 3:26 utc | 202

China cannot, and will not recognise Crimea or the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. Why? Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet and Xiang Jiang. Non-recognition does not mean non-support.

Posted by: Cossack | Feb 24 2022 3:30 utc | 203

Just give it up b. You were wrong. Massively so. There really was a Russian troop build up, and there really has been an invasion of Ukraine. Show some fucking humility for once.

Posted by: Ben | Feb 24 2022 3:32 utc | 204

Yesterday (Feb 23) everything was closed in Russia for a national holiday
(Fatherland something something)

Posted by: Platero | Feb 24 2022 3:34 utc | 205

Below is a quote from the latest ZH piece up about Ukraine happenings quoting Putin

“We decided to launch a special military action […] aimed at demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.”
“The circumstances make us take decisive and immediate actions. The people’s republics of Donbas asked Russia for assistance,” Putin said. “In this regard, in accordance with Article 51, Part 7 of the UN Charter, with the sanction of the Federation Council and in pursuance of the friendship and mutual assistance treaties with the DPR and LPR, ratified by the Federal Assembly, I have decided to conduct a special military operation.” He told Ukrainians to “lay down their arms.”
Crucially, he said that Russia has “no intentions of occupying Ukraine.”
The AP is further confirming “President Vladimir Putin says Russia will conduct a military operation in eastern Ukraine.” Putin warned in his televised speech, “A couple of words for those who would be tempted to intervene. Russia will respond immediately and you will have consequences that you never have had before in your history.”

No invasion. Say it out loud to yourself if you have to.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:36 utc | 206

American century is now definitely over. A new era has dawned.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 3:37 utc | 207

not an invasion. NATO and the US continue to incite and push Ukraine to attack Russian speaking Ukrainians, and Russians as well, so Russia responds, as any nation under threat would do.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 24 2022 3:40 utc | 208

I just went looking and Dow futures have fallen off a cliff……Its Show Time!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:40 utc | 209

Mariupol
https://twitter.com/TahsinnHasan/status/1496691053721755650

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 3:41 utc | 210

Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:36 utc | 210
If the Russian military rolls into Ukraine, as seems likely, that is an invasion anyway you look at it.
There’s no way to sell it any other way.
The Global Public has been “primed” for this – and he’s doing it.
I wish he’d waited 1-2 years for when Germany was even more dependent on Russian energy (Set to close down 3 Nuclear Power Plants at the end of this year)… But there you go.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 24 2022 3:42 utc | 211

Looks like Putin is doing what he mentioned in his other speech, going in and removing the fascists and then retreating. Perhaps after restoring the full borders of the two Donbass Republics and maybe accepting some other new independent republics that are no longer under the nazi boot.
Those that are responsible will be punished he said….

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2022 3:47 utc | 212

Latest from Michael Kofman “Economist” Feb.23, 2022–Potential Russian military moves in Ukraine.
The Russian disposition of forces suggest that its general staff intends to conduct two major pincer movements into Ukraine. The lesser of the two will advance from the north on the capital, Kyiv. The larger attack will seek to encircle Ukrainian forces near Donbas. Russian led units there may serve as a pinning force, while the main Russian grouping would advance from the north-east by Kharkiv and from Crimea in the south. Moscow would try to prevent Ukrainian forces from being able to conduct an organized retreat to more defensible terrain west of the Dnieper rives.
The war could begin with air strikes, missile strikes and use of electronic warfare and cyber-attacks. Their goal would be to degrade, fragment and paralyze the UKrainian armed forces along with its political leadership. This air campaign would be brief, followed by a combined arms ground offensive. Russia’s ground force is an artillery army with tanks and mechanized infantry. It emphasizes decisive use of firepower. These formations would be backed by attack helicopters, tactical bombers and missile brigades. Those supporting elements would dramatically increase the effectiveness of Russian ground formations in combat.

Posted by: Gulag | Feb 24 2022 3:47 utc | 213

“The people’s republics of Donbas asked Russia for assistance,” Putin said. “In this regard, in accordance with Article 51, Part 7 of the UN Charter, with the sanction of the Federation Council and in pursuance of the friendship and mutual assistance treaties with the DPR and LPR, ratified by the Federal Assembly, I have decided to conduct a special military operation.”
self defense is not murder. neither is intervening to stop murder.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 24 2022 3:48 utc | 214

Re: Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 3:26 utc | 205
Regarding closing the Bosporus.
I believe in the event of a conflict Turkey can close the Bosporus. This is not a stupid request at all.
Not sure if Turkey needs to be a combatant to close it or not though.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 24 2022 3:49 utc | 215

@psychohistorian #203:

Russia has been asked to provide security assistance, in writing, by the two new republics. Whatever movement of military occurs to support that intention is not an invasion.

I don’t think you understand what’s about to transpire. Putin has just announced that the goal of the Special Military Operation is for the Ukraine—no regions specified, so it’s the entire Ukraine—to undergo de-militarization and de-Nazification and for all nations of the Ukraine to have a true chance—a chance they never had before—to decide their own future.
This is War.

Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 3:50 utc | 216

@ Julian | Feb 24 2022 3:42 utc | 215 with the invasion definition issue
This is not an issue that needs to be sold and that is part of your comprehension problem. This isn’t fairy tales or Disney stories. The media can print/display or whatever lies they want and that does not change the truth on the ground…..and THEY know it….but you continue to believe the BS
Let me read some textual white noise from you about the ongoing occupation of Syria and Palestine Julian or folks will think you are a troll.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:51 utc | 217

@ psychohistorian 210
Putin said. “In this regard, in accordance with Article 51, Part 7 of the UN Charter, with the sanction of the Federation Council and in pursuance of the friendship and mutual assistance treaties with the DPR and LPR, ratified by the Federal Assembly, I have decided to conduct a special military operation.” He told Ukrainians to “lay down their arms.”
Charter of the United Nations
Chapter VII — Action with respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace, and Acts of Aggression
Article 51
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 3:51 utc | 218

S 220
Looks like Ukraine is about to learn the same lesson Georgia learned.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 3:52 utc | 219

About barflies coming here and claiming Putin is starting WAR
Humanity has been in this civilization war since Russia stood up to empire in Syria as I measure it even if China is the “bigger” party to the war.
Was the US invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq war? I don’t remember it being called so…..wasn’t one of them something like Operation Freedom?
Shoot your TV and get out of the Plato’s cave the MSM has you in

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:57 utc | 220

This is it.
The pitcher goes so often to the well that it is broken at last.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 24 2022 3:59 utc | 221

i think the Iraq war was initially called “Operation Iraqi Liberation”, then somebody noticed the abbreviation was OIL.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 24 2022 4:00 utc | 222

Blinken, today, NBC Nightly News:

QUESTION: For more on where things stand, I’m pleased to be joined by U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Mr. Secretary, thank you for being here. Do you have reason to believe that before this night is over, Russian forces will be engaged in something akin to a full invasion of Ukraine?
SECRETARY BLINKEN: I do. Unfortunately, Russia has positioned its forces at the final point of readiness across Ukraine’s borders – to the north, to the east, to the south. Everything seems to be in place for Russia to engage in a major aggression against Ukraine. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:04 utc | 223

The time has finally come to liberate Ukraine from the Nazis!!!!!

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 24 2022 4:09 utc | 224

@ pretzelattack 227
i think the Iraq war was initially called “Operation Iraqi Liberation”
It was Operation Iraqi Freedom. It took the world’s finest military three years to pacify Baghdad, then came the US appointed council to govern Iraq. That didn’t sit well with the Iraqi citizens, so they elected their own leaders — i.e. freedom, freedom to ally with Iran that is. . . .ooops..

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:10 utc | 225

@ Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:04 utc | 229 with the Blinken screed…thanks
But what do they tell the Military Generals?
And what do the Military Generals tell them back?
Love your children, I would hope.
The dog barks and the caravan rolls on……

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 4:12 utc | 226

Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:51 utc | 221
Thanks for the insult but I can also give you a tip. This will lead to the REAL WORLD consequence of sanctions from Europe/EU. Including banking/financial – well beyond what we’ve already seen.
Forget Nord Stream II ever going live anytime soon or certainly while Putin is around.
Sure, that’s my opinion, but I don’t see the Germans nitpicking what type of operation this is and aligning with what you’re saying or Putin’s explanation.
Of course – the Russians & Putin have taken all this into account and decided it’s worth proceeding anyway – good for them – but I would have waited 1-2 years (if possible) as I expressed.
Obviously for whatever reason, they decided the time for action was now – not 2023/2024. (My preference).
I in fact would have advised they clear out Idlib/al-Hanf before doing this. But that’s just me…

Posted by: Julian | Feb 24 2022 4:14 utc | 227

Putin talked a fair bit about the comedians threats to get nukes. I think that really pissed Putin off and from the looks of what is happening, that threat was the final nail in the coffin for Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 4:16 utc | 228

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:21 utc | 203

Russia has been asked to provide security assistance, in writing, by the two new republics. Whatever movement of military occurs to support that intention is not an invasion.

And that is exactly why this is not an invasion.
The two republics have been out of Ukrainian state control for years.
FACT:
They are no longer a part of Ukrainian sovereign territory as the native population have been able to impose their own sovereignty on these regions.
FACT:
A state is completely defined by it’s ability to hold a monopoly on violence in a given region. This is true in the two republics.
FACT:
This is essentially the means by which almost all states are created and borders are drawn. There is nothing new here.
FACT:
Since the two republics are in reality no longer part of the Ukrainian state, any positioning of Russian forces on those territories, by invitation of the leadership of those regions cannot be called an invasion.
Having said that:
If Russian forces should advance beyond the current contact line between the republics and Ukrainian forces … Yes, clearly that will be an invasion.
At that point, b will have to update his next article acknowledging that reality.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 4:19 utc | 229

Julian 234
In two to three years there would be hypersonic and nuclear weapons based in Ukraine

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 4:19 utc | 230

This is scary stuff.

Posted by: librul | Feb 24 2022 4:22 utc | 231

Anyone still wondering about military technical? Seems to be a lot of mil tech doing its magic in Ukraine at the moment.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 4:22 utc | 232

If Russian forces should advance beyond the current contact line between the republics and Ukrainian forces … Yes, clearly that will be an invasion.
At that point, b will have to update his next article acknowledging that reality.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 4:19 utc | 236
I have at least two reports of Russian infantry taking Odessa and several reports of military command centers and barracks in Kiev being hit so I think we are well past that now. Russia is aiming to demilitarize the whole of Ukraine–i.e. entirely destroy Ukraine’s military capacity–and to denazify Ukraine–i.e. kill and/or capture all the nazis and those linked with crimes in LNDR. All of eastern Ukraine is in Russia’s purview.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 4:23 utc | 233

The fate of the Ukrainian Nazis will be lesson to the whole about the worth of NATO and US allies promises (Not much!)

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 24 2022 4:24 utc | 234

YourMom 238
Looks like they’re going for all the Russian side and leaving the Polish area for the Ukies. Ethic Russians east of the Dneiper and around the black sea on what was ottoman empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 4:26 utc | 235

@psychohistorian #225:

About barflies coming here and claiming Putin is starting WAR

I didn’t say he started it. The war was started by the U.S. security state in the early 90s, when a decision was made, instead of pursuing friendly, respectful relationship with Russia, to destroy it by all means necessary, including by manipulating its break-away territories against it by installing the most Russophobic people as leaders and spreading hateful propaganda against Russia, Russians and everything Russian.
We all have failed—you, me, b, all people resisting the Empire of Lies—we have failed to defeat its propaganda. Maybe there were too few of us. Maybe it was impossible. So now it has come to this.

Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 4:26 utc | 236

Russia is decimating the Ukrainian military. The US will complain and yell and cry but I really do think this ends up making the US look very weak. All it can muster is some financial sanctions that don’t even harm Russia that much. It makes the US look very weak and Nato look bad.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 4:27 utc | 237

If some of these reports are true, then now we can say an invasion of Ukraine has started.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 4:29 utc | 238

Crimean water supply woes should be ending soon.

Posted by: Dim sim | Feb 24 2022 4:29 utc | 239

Re: Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 4:24 utc | 243
Well indeed, I wouldn’t want to be German industry right about now.
German industry is well and truly STUFFED.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 24 2022 4:29 utc | 240

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 4:23 utc | 241

I have at least two reports of Russian infantry taking Odessa and several reports of military command centers and barracks in Kiev being hit so I think we are well past that now.

You do but I don’t. Please share ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 4:31 utc | 241

@ Julian 234
This will lead to the REAL WORLD consequence of sanctions from Europe/EU.
It’s been well-established that REAL WORLD sanctions against Russia would hurt EU more, since Russia is strong financially and has many products that EU and others need (and may not get).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:31 utc | 242

Twitter commenters claiming calls for pro-Russian protests from opposition parties in Odessa, Kharkov, and Mariupol are going out, to occupy regional government infrastructure. No sources cited.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 4:32 utc | 243

Depends on who you ask.
Putin said, reportedly and roughly, that the Nato-Nazi war machine was on the march and approaching Russia’s border.
The Nato-Nazis created the must-go-signal for Putin, according to Putin.
Putin also said that the West is going to experience something it never has before if it intervenes
to save the Ukies.
Hope there is enough planet left for the historians to be able to sort out what really took place.

Posted by: librul | Feb 24 2022 4:33 utc | 244

I just found this live map showing military actions – no idea how reliable it is:
https://liveuamap.com/

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 4:35 utc | 245

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 4:31 utc | 252

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 4:23 utc | 241
I have at least two reports of Russian infantry taking Odessa …

If that’s true, it means Putin wasn’t joking about his “decommunisation” statement on t.v the other day:

“Now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine.
This is what they call de-communization.
Do you want de-communization? Well, this quite suits us. But you must not stop halfway.
We are ready to show you what genuine de-communization means for Ukraine,” Putin said in his address to the nation over the situation in Ukraine’s southeast.

(https://tass.com/politics/1407587)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 4:36 utc | 246

Mr. Bentley clearly stated Kiev would hopefully be decommunized starting at the exact time he predicted and stated the enemy threats need cleared from well beyond those two regions especially beyond the current demarcation line the ragtag militia was able to defend. The few km of distance the two republics exist in hardly give russia much safety, from artillery nor cross-border nazi terror attacks, which have occurred 6x since the 21st. clearing the nwo from power and from areas of foreign enemy’s weaponry and nuclear fuel/waste certainly sounds like it offers far more protection to the country and its citizens. So rare for a nation to do what’s best for her citizens i know. Shoigu genius and graduates of govorov defense academy of course know more than i. And perhaps west point grads know more than i on the matter so far as artificially mandated diversity and deviant sexual equalities.

Posted by: NJH | Feb 24 2022 4:36 utc | 247

Bloody Ukies had and ammo dump in the middle of a city. Must have thought it would be safe there. It burns for a bit then goes of about a third of the way into the video.
https://twitter.com/TinaLeachh/status/1496704231063105537

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 4:38 utc | 248

•Russian Airstrikes and Bombings occurring across #Ukraine
•Possible amphibious landings near Odessa
•Heavy Gunfire being reported
•First reports of Ukrainian casualties starting to flow in . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:39 utc | 249

I just finished reading at the official Russian site the translated to English version of Putin’s speech, taking notes as I did that. My notes of his final warning to the regime in Kiev are an ultimatum: cease hostilities; if not, the bloodshed will be on the conscience of the regime.
Did they cease hostilities? We have been recording in comments and b’s analysis that they did not.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2022 4:40 utc | 250

Kyez Post is down.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:41 utc | 251

All Asian market indexes down. Oil is at $100/barrel. Dow Futures are tumbling. Watch for tomorrow’s indexes in the West and the price of oil. This is going to rock the markets.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 4:41 utc | 252

Complete information anarchy at the moment. On the one hand still room for doubt that anything but targeted strikes has occurred. On the other, people are claiming Russia has already smashed the Ukrainian formations and is even advancing on Odessa.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 4:41 utc | 253

@Julian #234:

Forget Nord Stream II ever going live anytime soon or certainly while Putin is around.

Do you really think we care about some worthless undersea pipeline when it’s our History that’s at stake? We are ready to live under sanctions for hundreds of years if necessary. We will never worship the Nazis and their collaborators. We will never allow anyone to spit on the graves of our Fathers who defeated them. We will speak Russian, not what CIA planners tell us to speak.

Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 4:42 utc | 254

Fox News on location here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:43 utc | 255

@ YourMom | Feb 24 2022 4:31 utc | 251

the comedian made the worst joke of his career when he said that.

Honestly, it seemed calculated to provoke an attack.
Leaves one to wonder what is going on here.
Well, perhaps Zellensky will get that meeting with Putin.

Posted by: jared | Feb 24 2022 4:44 utc | 256

Dmytro Kuleba@DmytroKuleba
Putin has just launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Peaceful Ukrainian cities are under strikes. This is a war of aggression. Ukraine will defend itself and will win. The world can and must stop Putin. The time to act is now. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:49 utc | 257

Maybe a Federal Republic of Novorossiya from Odessa to Donetsk and Kharkov is in the works?

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 4:49 utc | 258

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Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 4:49 utc | 259

#275
Sorry, that’s the only way the URL could be posted. Even URL shorteners have banned it.

Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 4:50 utc | 260

I doubt it. Azov is one of the few units that will actually fight to the death.

Posted by: @YourMom | Feb 24 2022 4:50 utc | 261

I think that Putin/Russia are focused on security stability and that means neutralizing the forces against them in Ukraine. If that includes going outside the “boundaries” of the regions asking for protection, I expect Russia will go for not only neutering them but bringing to justice those they say they know were behind the Odessa killings. That will provide some justification for their efforts and expose the empire puppet strings for all to see….the rest of the justification.
While us barflies discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, Russia, with China backing, is driving a stake in the heart of NATO and putting at risk the shit show I have been watching for 50+ years…..YES!!!
I looked it up and the not war that empire started in the ME over 20 years ago was initially called Operation Enduring Freedom.
If Putin calls it a War on Terrorism like the West did their aggression, would that make the naysayers happy?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 4:53 utc | 262

The US support for Ukraine is “ironclad and unwavering.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:54 utc | 263

Reports are coming in that the entire city of Mariupol has been captured by the Donetsk People’s Republic and Russian Armed Forces!

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 24 2022 4:57 utc | 264

The diplomatic solution is still possible with Russia, if the Kievan Ukraine will become really neutral, without WMD. Russia wants only that – Putin said it very clearly. He said (not in those words, but akin to the famous “mushroom cloud” on his borders) that he will not accept the possibility of nukes in the ‘free’ Ukraine. That kind of solution should actually be seen as a great option for Israelis who would want to come to a safe, secure, neutral place, where no more pogroms would happen and where no pesky Palestinians would spoil their lives.

Posted by: bystander 04 | Feb 24 2022 4:57 utc | 265

#279 The world has completely changed in an instant. The emperor is naked for all to see.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 4:58 utc | 266

one twitter comment:
Bugti @IamHussain1337
@DmytroKuleba
You would never have believed on US NATO at first place, I feel like US is responsible for all this and now they are just watching the show.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:58 utc | 267

Posted by: @YourMom | Feb 24 2022 4:50 utc | 278

I doubt it. Azov is one of the few units that will actually fight to the death.

Then so be it, I suppose. Wishing them godspeed.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 5:00 utc | 268

From RT
“The Russian Defense Ministry stated that the Russian military is attacking Ukrainian military facilities as part of an ongoing operation in Ukraine. Precision weapons are used against military infrastructure, air defense sites, military airfields and aircraft, a statement cited by RIA Novosti said.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:02 utc | 269

I hope this is not a rerun of August 1914.
Oil prices will move toward $120 a bbl as there is limited spare capacity.
I would expect the NG pipeline runing fron RF to Europe acrss Ukraine will suffer an outage. This outage will precipitate a crisis in Germany as they lack NG stocks required to last till good weather returns.I doubt there is significant shipping able to carry US LNG into European ports.
The reports of an Odessa attack likely represent an amphibious landing on the Black sea coast.
Worrisome to hear rreports of Turkis military transport on the ground during attack. Turkey is a wildcard in these events. If Turkey feels aggrieved she may enter hostilitiies and if RF responds Turkey may activate NATO defense. Would not be surprised to learn US Turkey are discussing such an action ATM. Canada was also shipping $7 million in arms to Ukraine. Not sure how this was being transported.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:02 utc | 270

Certainly a radical swing in policy from the typical Russian MO of light footprints and strategic patience. If all of this is really true.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:03 utc | 271

Precision weapons are used against military infrastructure, air defense sites, military airfields and aircraft, a statement cited by RIA Novosti said.

Russia targets Ukraine Military with precision weapons

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 5:03 utc | 272

Re: Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:31 utc | 253
I am not denying they will hurt EU more – as I also said above, German industry is now STUFFED.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 24 2022 5:04 utc | 273

The impatient armchair general in me wants to see Syria do something to push the occupiers out of its country so a bigger picture of our world is forced into general focus at this time.
Please and thank you, with syrup on it and all sorts of blessings….grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 5:05 utc | 274

President Biden@POTUS
Russia alone is responsible for the death and destruction this attack will bring, and the United States and its Allies and partners will respond in a united and decisive way. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 5:05 utc | 275

reante @ 167
I’ve been “there” (understanding of what currents drive things) for quite some time. But know this:
ALL WARS ARE ABOUT RESOURCES <- That means that those such as oil/NatGas DO play a rather significant role in all of this. Money is the measure of power, and energy trades represent the greatest share of the economic markets. Markets have physical resources UP and virtual resources DOWN. This was always going to happen. World leaders DO understand this; problem is is that in order to get anointed/elected they have to dazzle using virtual crap (as most do not have physical). The music is stopping. It will soon be obvious as to who has chairs (resources).

Posted by: Seer | Feb 24 2022 5:06 utc | 276

I wouldn’t believe all of this just yet, YourMom. It looks like this is only the aerial part of the operation.

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:06 utc | 277

I am looking forward to the de-Nazification trials, the victims of the Odessa burnings will have justice!

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 24 2022 5:07 utc | 278

Re: Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 4:58 utc | 286
The US got exactly what they wanted – and they will not lift a finger militarily or involve themselves directly at all.
They have split Europe from Russia though.
Remember the old NATO saying (as enunciated by the British NATO Secretary-General Lord Hastings).
“NATO is designed to keep the Americans “IN”, keep the Russians “OUT” and keep the Germans “DOWN””
Mission Accomplished on that score.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 24 2022 5:08 utc | 279

I sure hope they have special ops
securing the nuclear plants…

Posted by: Les7 | Feb 24 2022 5:09 utc | 280

how likely is it that the Russian forces will go all the way to link up to Transnistria breakaway region? That would be a huge game changer for the Balkans and Serbia.

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 24 2022 5:09 utc | 281

Posted by: YourMom | Feb 24 2022 5:06 utc | 296

🇷🇺❌🇲🇩⚠ — Unconfirmed Reports of Russian Air strikes in Moldova!

Oh come on. That’s just bollocks.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 5:10 utc | 282

Well, Moon of Alabama shit the bed big time.
This is what happens when you really start to believe only one side.
You guys lose almost all credibility and really begin to look like total shills.

Posted by: Sorry Charlie | Feb 24 2022 5:11 utc | 283

This is a report from LIVEMAP from 5 hours ago:
Two Turkish Air Force Airbus A400M entered Ukrainian airspace. Looks like first one heading to Kyiv
If a NATO nation asset is destroyed or personnel killed and injured to gives Biden an opportunty to intervene on behalf of NATO solidarity.
This is a critical factor. It may escalate the conflict from a regional one to a continental one.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:11 utc | 284

@ Julian | Feb 24 2022 5:08 utc | 300 who wrote

Remember the old NATO saying (as enunciated by the British NATO Secretary-General Lord Hastings).
“NATO is designed to keep the Americans “IN”, keep the Russians “OUT” and keep the Germans “DOWN””
Mission Accomplished on that score.

Do you really think that NATO will continue to be a stable relationship?
How long do you think it will last?
What will keep it going?
Dream on….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 5:12 utc | 285

Julian | Feb 24 2022 5:08 utc | 300 “They have split Europe from Russia though.”
That was inevitable no matter what Russia did. Keiv will probably come out of this better than if US hit them with a false flag attack. US like plenty of dead civilians.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:13 utc | 286

Anybody know why Russia would bomb MOldova? That is being reported on Fox and on Bellum Acta news.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:14 utc | 287

I might be wrong, but I think that after operation is finished, NATO is gone. That’s the whole point.

Posted by: Tito | Feb 24 2022 5:15 utc | 288

Kadath | Feb 24 2022 5:09 utc | 302
I saw a map showing an attack coming out of Transnistria. I guess time will tell if there is anything in that though.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 5:16 utc | 289

1 hour and 22 mins — Russia disables the entire Ukrainian military.

Posted by: WJ | Feb 24 2022 5:17 utc | 290

they (the US) will not lift a finger militarily or involve themselves directly at all.
I do not think that is a credible argument at this point. Biden is facing a State of the Union Address on Tuesday.
At present he will look extremely incompetent. He gave multiple warings re an RF offensive and then allowed it to occur without anhy evident response other than relocating embassy staff.
The best think at the moment is that I doubt all NATO nations have the stomach for entering this conflict. At some point they will wonder why they allowed the crasy Ukes to poke the bear. They are alos likely to remember “FUCK the EU” and regret their docility and the position they now find themselves in.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:18 utc | 291

Potentially what we are seeing is:
Air strikes and missile strikes to:
1. Degrade Ukrainian air defenses.
2. Eliminate meaningful combat potential of the Ukrainian air force.
Then with air superiority secured, we could see the following in the next hours or days:
1. A ceasefire offer in return for Ukraine’s voluntary withdrawal from Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.
2. If that fails, a ground operation with air support to encircle and destroy Ukrainian formations occupying DNR and LNR territory.
Likely on the international front:
1. Cut fuel deliveries to Europe. First move in longer gambit to force NS2 issue back to the table.
2. who knows

Posted by: Cesare | Feb 24 2022 5:19 utc | 292

Scott Ritter and Richard Medhurst are corroborating reports of a full scale Russian invasion of Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10tMcmMWPPk
… Time to update your article b.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 5:20 utc | 293

So here we see once again the fake narrative promulgated by b and the barfleas proven incorrect.
Hope the pay is good. Hope the feeling of warmth at the center of the herd feels good.
Comments are unreadable and thoroughly discredited as usual. But blah blah blah we will dissemble our way to rhetorical victory from our comfortable armchairs.
We are so, so right. Far right nothingburghers on the fringes of nowhere.
Send up flares to let them know where we stand. LMAO

Posted by: Useless meat beater | Feb 24 2022 5:21 utc | 294

Okay, it’s over, Australia has sanctioned Russians.
Ned Price @StateDeptSpox
United States government official
Responsible nations are united against Russia’s unprovoked and unacceptable aggression against Ukraine. We welcome Australia’s action to sanction Russian individuals, organizations, and banks as part of the international effort to impose a sharp cost on Russia. #UnitedWithUkraine . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 5:21 utc | 295

Why Russia would bomb MOldova?
A portion of Moldava known as Transisintra (SP ??) is seeking independence from the parent state. RF troops have been located there for at least 8 years.
I suspect the entire Black Sea coast will be occpied by RF. UK was seeking to create a military base in teh area and RF would not tolerate such an action.

Posted by: Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:21 utc | 296

Kadath #302:

how likely is it that the Russian forces will go all the way to link up to Transnistria breakaway region?

100% likely.

Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 5:22 utc | 297

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Feb 23 2022 17:33 utc | 42
Perhaps Millicent Ralf?

Posted by: Alex | Feb 24 2022 5:23 utc | 298

Re: Peter AU1 @313,
dang, if (a BIG IF) that is true, that would be huge counter-escalation from Russia, not only smashing Ukraine, but also smacking Moldova as well, that would basically be saying to everyone that thinks being a hanger on to NATO or prospective future member will somehow protect them, nope, the Russians will strike you regardless if you threaten their security and NATO will standby and do nothing. Serbia will be greatly pleased by that turn of events, the US enclave in Kosovo will be sweating now.

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 24 2022 5:23 utc | 299

@ Sushi | Feb 24 2022 5:11 utc | 306 with the turkey involvement….thanks/sigh
I expect Russia gamed this and the warning Putin made earlier was evidently not heard by Erdogan……How many bases does Turkey have in Syria?….hundreds as I recall….
This is all going to get real interesting folks and bring the whole world into military lock up, IMO.
And then we will see the USNC discussions become interesting….grin
How much will come out on the table about how our world really works? Will the social order change?
How many humans are paying attention?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 5:23 utc | 300