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February 23, 2022
There Is Still No ‘Russian Invasion’ But The Sanctions Proceeded Anyway

The information war about the current U.S.-Russia standoff continues. That is why the New York Times is again pushing fake Russian invasion claims:

Russia faced mounting pressure and economic sanctions over the Ukraine crisis on Wednesday as the United States and allies coordinated punishments and denounced the beginning of an “invasion of Ukraine.”

The global response began early Tuesday, just hours after President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia recognized the self-declared separatist states in eastern Ukraine and Russian forces started rolling into their territory, according to NATO, European Union and White House officials. It was the first major deployment of Russian troops across the internationally recognized border since the current crisis began.

No Russian forces have recently been seen in Donbas or have been noticed rolling in. Moreover the Ukraine has made no claims that an invasion is happening. 

The alleged invasion is again a claim without any evidence. It is part of the information war the U.S. is waging against Russia. All the anonymous intelligence-lacking officials who make such claims are simply lying. They have no sources or evidence to support such claims.

Just ask how many of them have predicted that Russia would officially recognize the Donbas republics? There is not one I am aware of.

As Patrick Cockburn notes:

Information wars are always a component of military conflicts, potential and actual. Usually, security services play a large role in orchestrating them. But these propaganda wars are dangerous because they tend to fly out of control and demonising an opponent hinders negotiations. Political leaders, for their part, tend to believe an unhealthy amount of their own propaganda and often act as if it was all true.

The last part is the real danger and it is happening right now. Biden, Blinken and others have for months falsely predicted a 'Russian invasion' and threatened to issue sanctions if it would come.

There is currently no 'Russian invasion' of Ukrainian or Donbas republics territory but the sanctioning has proceeded anyway without any further reasoning.

In a press conference yesterday the Russian president Vladimir Putin explicitly said that no Russian troops were yet to go in:

Regarding the use of the Armed Forces abroad. Well, of course. By all means. We signed treaties yesterday, and these treaties with the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic contain relevant clauses that say that we will provide these republics with appropriate assistance, including military. Since there is an ongoing conflict there, we make it clear by this decision that, if need be, we plan to fulfill our obligations.

Vladimir Putin: First, I did not say our troops would enter right away, after our meeting here. That is first. Second, it is absolutely impossible to predict the detailed path of possible actions. It depends on the concrete situation that is unfolding on the ground, as they say.

Russia is not interested in going to war. It wants do avoid an attack of Ukrainian forces on the Donbas republics. That is why it gave the security guarantees to them. It hopes that this will be sufficient to deter an Ukrainian attack.

This is what Russia wants to stop:


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The cutout above is from a map by the OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine and depicts the number of explosion the OSCE observers registered on Monday, February 21 2022. The majority of the explosions are again by far on the Donbas republics side and have, after a lull on Sunday, again increased.

This imbalance has been the case for a long time. A UN report about civilian casualties in Ukraine (h/t Aaron Maté) shows that in recent years more than 80% of the civilians killed in the conflict were on the Donbas side.


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The artillery impacts show that the Ukrainian military is currently preparing the ground for an attack towards Donetzk and Luhansk. It has also brought up air defense systems which it will need to cover the attack.

If the Ukrainian military stops its bombardment and retreats from the border there is no need for any Russian soldier to roll into Ukraine.

There are claims that Russia will invade anyway because it has recognized the DNR and LNR republics within their constitutional borders. These are the original administrative regions borders and exceed the currently held grounds. However Putin says that this should be negotiated:

With regard to the borders within which we will recognise these republics, we did recognise them, which means we recognised their foundational documents, including the Constitution, and the Constitution stipulates their borders within the Donetsk and Lugansk regions at the time when they were part of Ukraine. But we expect, and I want to emphasise this, that all disputes will be resolved during talks between the current Kiev authorities and the leaders of these republics. Unfortunately, at this point in time, we realise that it is impossible to do so, since hostilities are still ongoing and, moreover, they are showing signs of escalating. But I hope this is how it will turn out in the future.

Putin has also shown a clear way out of the conflict:

The situation around Ukraine could be resolved with demilitarization of the republic and its rejection of accession to NATO, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, answering reporters’ questions in the wake of the talks with his Azerbaijani counterpart Ilham Aliyev.

The head of state underscored that Russia will provide military aid to Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), adding the deployment of forces in Donbass will not be announced right now.

In order to settle the situation, democratic states must first and foremost recognize the will of the residents of the Crimean Peninsula on reconciliation with Russia.

"The first thing that everybody must do is to recognize the will of the people who live in Sevastopol and in Crimea," he said.

Next, Moscow offers Ukraine to voluntarily drop its plans to join NATO.

"We act out of what many people are saying, including in the Western capitals: that the best resolution of this issue for our colleagues to preserve their faces would be Kiev authorities’ voluntary rejection of accession to NATO. Effectively, they would implement the concept of neutrality."

Russia demands that the West "stopped pumping the current Kiev authorities with modern weapons."

"Therefore, the main point – is demilitarization of the modern Ukraine to a certain degree, because this is the only objectively controllable factor, which could be supervised and which could be reacted to."

Moscow cannot allow restoration of Ukraine’s nuclear power status, which Ukrainian authorities talk about.

"Even acquisition of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine means a strategic threat for us," he said.

'Western' media seem confused why Putin made that last point. It was in reply to a threat the Ukrainian president Zelensky had made during the Munich security conference:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said at the Munich Security Conference that he would initiate consultations within the framework of the Budapest Memorandum.

If the summit of the countries participating in the Budapest Memorandum does not take place or does not provide Ukraine with security guarantees, the document will be recognized by Ukraine as invalid along with the points that were signed in 1994, the Ukrainian President said.

The Budapest Memorandum, signed on December 5, 1994, by Britain, Russia, the United States and Ukraine, provided guarantees of Ukraine's security and territorial integrity in exchange for Kyiv's surrendering of nuclear weapons. The document entered into force after Ukraine signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of nuclear weapons.

The Ukraine has the materials and knowledge to build nuclear weapons if it wants to do that. It also has the missiles needed to deliver them.

No Russian leader will condone such a threat right next to its border.

If the 'western' and Ukrainian officials really wanted to prevent a 'Russian invasion' they would now take steps to deescalate the situation.

Unfortunately they are doing the opposite. 

Comments

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 23 2022 20:11 utc | 99

The Reuters reporter saw about five tanks in a column on the edge of the city [Donetsk] and two more in another part of town. No insignia were visible.

This is a new development. For the last 7 years there have been no tanks in Donetsk, except for the annual Victory Day parades.
On the night after Monday there was video of column of light armor and some tanks moving toward Donetsk. Some Russian Telegram channels falsely labeled these as “Russian troops.” They are not.
Some years ago the Ukrainian published graphics showing that the Novorossiyan Armed Forces had 500 main battle tanks and over one thousand pieces of light armor. (Actually this was data from Lost Armour.) The Minsk agreement confined these thanks to a “polygon” over 50 km from the front lines. It is these tanks that are now moving

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 23 2022 20:31 utc | 101

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 23 2022 20:02 utc | 95
I agree, Pyotr. My point is that the message should be about the criminality and sheer malevolence of the Anglo-American empire and its tributaries instead of Russia’s innocence and it should be pushed more forcefully. Sure, few among the western citizenry will receive it, but there are far more recipients to be reached around the world.
A good example was the idiotic comment of the Kenyan representative who spouted a load of nonsense, suggesting that Putin’s point was about borders and countries based on homogeneity. This crettin should have been reminded on the spot that it is US-backed Ukraine which is doing that, espousing ethno-supremacism and a monolingual state, whereas it is Russia that is multi-ethnic and respectful of the multitude of national and ethnic groups in the country. Plus, it was the previous incarnation of this country, the USSR, that treated the Africans as humans and not cattle as those colonialists whose modern political descendants this Kenyan opted to support.
In short, responses must be aggressive and put the enemy on the defensive, instead of endless protestations of legal innocence and good intentions.
BTW, if I’m not indiscreet, what’s your ethnic background? Poland or USSR? I assume by your surname, east European Jewish. I ask, because in one thread in the past you mentioned a familial background in some communist party. Unless, of course, I confuse you with someone else.

Posted by: Constantine | Feb 23 2022 20:32 utc | 102

@Arne Hartmann | Feb 23 2022 19:50 utc | 92
I Looked it up BUT, you still have to allow Twitter to access ALL your data. same as signing up. Which incidently passes on the same data to Facebook and (I think) Google as well. Since I didn’t want that, and as I do not trust any of them – thanks but no thanks.
(Pulling down bar on the right works enough for me.)

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 23 2022 20:34 utc | 103

Posted by: Aslangeo | Feb 23 2022 16:21 utc | 23
Posted by: Piotr Berman |
From ria.ru
MOSCOW, February 23-RIA Novosti. The words of the head of the British Ministry of Defense Ben Wallace about the events of the Crimean War are nothing more than mythology, according to the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov.
EarlierWallace said that Britain can “kick” at any timeRussia, as the Scottish Guards Regiment to Emperor Nicholas I during the Crimean War.
Konashenkov reminded the British servicemen that the Scottish regiment “suffered very bloody losses” and “did not win any victories.”
“The battle of Balaklava in the Crimean War on October 25, 1854, did not go down in history because of the tenacity of the Scottish 93rd Regiment, about which Wallace spoke so drunkenly. The only feat of this unit was that it simply did not run away, like the others, from the onslaught of Russian cavalry,” the representative of the department said.
Vladimir Putin has gone “full tonto”, the Defence Secretary has suggested following the latest escalation in the Ukraine crisis pic.twitter.com/uggmxbeYk4
— PA Media (@PA) February 23, 2022
According to him, other events were much more vivid in the history of the Battle of Balaklava: Russian gunners destroyed an entire aristocratic English light horse brigade under the command of Lord Cardigan in just 20 minutes.
“It was this ‘feat’ of the British in the Crimean War that enriched all the world’s languages and military textbooks with the concept of ‘cannon fodder’,” Konashenkov stressed.
The representative of the Ministry of Defense noted that not so long ago, the head of the British Foreign Office, while inMoscow, “has already demonstrated its wonderful knowledge of the geography of Russia.” Therefore, Wallace’s public delving into the history of Russia is no longer surprising, he added.
“We recommend that British servicemen study well not only the geography of Russia, but also its history. In order not to enrich our common military history with their lives in order to please poorly educated British politicians, ” Konashenkov concluded.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Feb 23 2022 20:35 utc | 104

Reply to Greek – 90
Here is one praised resource: https://www.routledge.com/Routledge-Handbook-of-State-Recognition/Visoka-Doyle-Newman/p/book/9781032177274

Posted by: JB | Feb 23 2022 20:36 utc | 105

First comment here..lurking long time.
1.. melaleuca I’m with you re: trying to save ppl, I had to give it away in the end it was doing my head in, however You may find this interesting! several months ago Morrison let it slip about low vex rates and andrews mr 96% had an apoplectic fit… up until approx 3 or 4 months ago give or take a few weeks, the world in data had oz, and in particular Victoria both around 41% to 44% with a 3% margin of error. Funnily enough after a $40M donation from HE who shall remain nameless ( unitaid I believe) we suddenly had 92.3% in vic and 88% in NT ( spat my coffee over keyboard with that one) propaganda never rests!!
2.. do any off the switched on commentators here know if this information below is reliable ? ( Karlof1 maybe)
Make up of Putin’s political elite in so-called Novorossiya (30% of occupied Donbas and Luhansk):
Donbas Republic (DR) co-founder Vladimir Makovich- Jew
DR current Minister of Defence Vladimir Kononov- Jew
DR Deputy of Defence Eduard Basurin- Jew
2014 DR Minister of Defence Igor Girkin- Jew
DR Head of Govt up until 2017 Leonid Pasechnik- Jew
DR current Head of Govt Igor Plodnitsky- Jew
DR Minister of Foreign Affairs Alexander Kofman- Jew
Main private funders:
Owner of SGM (oil and gas) Arkady Rotenberg- Jew
Founder of World Without Nazism and promulgator of Putin’s anti extremist laws Boris Spiegel- Jew
Thanks

Posted by: Gravedigger | Feb 23 2022 20:41 utc | 106

“….The bias in Western media reporting does not help. We have seen the usual rush for conducted tours to report the pro-Kiev side of the dispute. So far I have seen no more than two Middle Easterners on seeming contract with the Russian RT agency reporting the other side. We are left to guess at the dreadful destruction caused by the Ukrainian bombardment over the past eight years.
Meanwhile Moscow has seen ignored its demand for firm guarantees to stop the relentless NATO expansion eastward towards its frontiers. Does the world realise what a grotesque military machine NATO has become?”
https://johnmenadue.com/ukraine-on-the-boil/
The people of the Donbas, and other Russian speakers in The Ukraine, [translation:The Borderlands] are caught in a pincer movement between a chauvinist bait and switch ‘government’ in Kiev, run by a clown and a vicious and ageing prima donna US/Anglo Zionist empire way past its use by date.
Thanks to an attentive barfly for some historical context:
https://reseauinternational.net/l-ukraine-vue-autrement-3/

Posted by: Paul | Feb 23 2022 20:45 utc | 107

@Piotr Berman
Counterpunch … I haven’t been there for years, for very good reason. After the great Alexander Cockburn died, the replacement editors went fulll-on batsh*t crazy by spewing Empire propaganda about Syria. Thinking/hoping I was dealing with someone who had just lost their way, I sent a detailed email, not rude but quite direct because the editor should have known better. Think it was Jeffrey St. Clair, who had been the environmental guy, and never wrote about “foreign affairs”. Well, he did me the favor of a vulgar two word reply: “F**k you.” I just looked at their website and it’s rotten libtard just like 8 or 10 years ago. I always wondered if the editors were “gotten to”, or if they were moles waiting to replace Alexander Cockburn. His younger brother, Patrick, used to write a few good things but that was also years ago.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Feb 23 2022 20:48 utc | 108

(Gravedigger playing the role of Toto.)

Posted by: reante | Feb 23 2022 20:48 utc | 109

Patroklos | 47
OMG Patroklos, do you mean what I think you mean? Ramble On by Led Zeppelin?

Petri Krohn | 100
>>Russia has “invaded” their minds<< That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh!

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Feb 23 2022 20:49 utc | 110

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 23 2022 18:37 utc | 57
Let’s have a toast for them, beauty will prevail, and as Danil Bagrov said in that Chicago high rise, power is in truth. That comes from a hyperborean, a northern guy, me being Mediterranean I’d say, power is in beauty and you sniffers are really ugly.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 23 2022 20:52 utc | 111

@Gravedigger 109
Filthy antisemitic smear. Igor Girkin (Strelkov) is an orthodox Russian without any connection to jewish religion and culture. Same as to connection with jewry goes with Basurin and Kononov. Also, Plodnitsy and Pasechnik are not reported to be jewish under any respect. Kofman, guessing from his name, may be. Arkady Rotenberg is of (secular) jewish ancestry, but not practising to my knowledge (though this is his private matter).
So what is your point, Nazi propaganda?

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 23 2022 21:01 utc | 112

JessDTruth | 111
Counterpunch switched from climate denialism to an unscientific alarmist position, eg. the “Arctic Methane Bomb”, which most scientists think is a longer term concern.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 23 2022 21:06 utc | 113

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 23 2022 21:01 utc | 115
Ah… the smell was patent, but I couldn’t find the shoe with dogshit under it.
Good.

Posted by: Misotheist | Feb 23 2022 21:09 utc | 114

welp once again today I see “Russia poised on brink of invasion”. wonder how many weeks of this we have left?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 23 2022 21:15 utc | 115

If, as Putin says he will, targets Command and control sites in any upcoming war, then if the direct control by NATO and the US of individual groups and Brigades, BYPASSES the Ukrainian Command structures. This makes them primary targets, doesn’t it?
We could be getting a war where the “Generals” (armchair or not) and various soldiers are running a “drone” war, with Ukrainian soldiers as the drones.
The use of real drones, human drones and the long distance EW warfare tactics that the US wants to try out, could turn the EU into a real “Terminator space”.
*****
PS
However, the “Happy invasion day menu” has been announced, “Chicken Kiev” or Borscht with Garlic fritters to keep the ghouls grasping for getaways.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 23 2022 21:16 utc | 116

@Posted by: JB | Feb 23 2022 19:02 utc | 74
I will leave it up to the great Michael Parents to cover the true complex nature of the dissolution of Yugoslavia; its greatest mistake was to become indebted to the West that then pushed for neoliberal policies that produced high unemployment and unrest. The aggressions and cleansing were on both sides in this war, as per usual the Western media picked sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ6QpjPTaG8
Also, of course his book “To Kill A Nation – The US War On Yugoslavia”
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Nation-Attack-Yugoslavia/dp/1859843662/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3F6ESOL7D5BJG&keywords=To+Kill+A+Nation&qid=1645650427&s=books&sprefix=to+kill+a+nation%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C68&sr=1-3

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2022 21:22 utc | 117

Petri Krohn @100–
Russia has “invaded” their minds is quite correct, and in even more ways than those you describe. The overall Geopolitical Axis is changing poles as the Age of Imperialism and War withers on Neoliberalism’s vine–or more accurately Finance Capitalism’s vine. The Industrial Capitalism that powered the USA and Germany’s climbs to Geopolitical prominence in the last quarter of the 19th Century following the Economics of Abundance concept is alive and well within China, Russia, and those following their paths aimed at enhancing the prosperity of Commonfolk by promoting their development via completely open opportunities where a person can rise based on their innate abilities. For Neoliberals, such a political-economic system is anathema because it cannot be tarred as Socialism or Communism–another reason for the hysteria.
So, we’re being treated to the spectacle of the Vampire Squid being attacked by the Many Headed Hydra Francis Bacon feared so much. My money’s on the Hydra for it’s you and I and billions more against what’s really a very tiny class of Creditors and Rentiers. More Western people need to understand this authentic struggle so they can uplift their own lives and the prospects for their children. The Paradigm’s Changing, and it will occur faster the more people push for change.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 23 2022 21:24 utc | 118

Correction:

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 23 2022 20:31 utc | 104
Some years ago the Ukrainian SBU published graphics showing that the Novorossiyan Armed Forces had 500 main battle tanks and over one thousand pieces of light armor. (Actually this was data from Lost Armour.) The Minsk agreement confined these thanks to a “polygon” over 50 km from the front lines. It is these tanks that are now moving.

Most of these tanks are trophies from the 2014-2015 war (the T-64s). Some came from Russia (the T-72s).

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 23 2022 21:27 utc | 119

the terminal collapse of global industrial output
Posted by: reante | Feb 23 2022 19:58 utc | 94
this is important! (even if i question the “global” adjective)
things start to make more sense if you hazard the thought that our system is a dead man walking

Posted by: Rae | Feb 23 2022 21:27 utc | 121

re: post-truth
…from realcleardefense
This Changes Many Things: Post-Truth and National Security

In the second half of the 2010s, a small cottage industry of books, think-tank monographs, and even religious tracts proclaimed the rise of “post-truth” or “truth decay” in the United States and other liberal-democratic societies. . . Post-truth may reshape how we govern ourselves and how we interact across political, social, and international boundaries alike. Yet few educators, public-policy experts, and academic researchers even acknowledge it.
Here I proceed from what is literally the (Cambridge) dictionary definition of post-truth as “a situation in which people are more likely to accept an argument based on their emotions and beliefs, rather than one based on facts.”
. . .Triumphs of emotion and belief over rationality are at least as common as the reverse in human history – among individuals and societies alike. But at least three things today are indeed “new:”
The digital accelerant. First, digital technology and social media fundamentally change the scale and stakes of post-truth. . .
The bridge to action. The post-truth condition is intrinsically worrisome but becomes much more vexing when misleading or false information is acted upon, as is now happening in nearly all areas of American life. . .
The failing correctives. Finally, Americans and others in the Western tradition appear to be abandoning what we believed about the nature and pursuit of truth. . .news outlets generally feed pre-existing beliefs rather than persuading large numbers of people to change their existing view. . .
Post-truth took its time to arrive at the doorstep of the national-security field – but it has arrived and now demands attention. Taken from the events of recent weeks alone:
Stopping the war that isn’t. . .
Ignoring the investigation that is. etc.. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 23 2022 21:28 utc | 122

All the sanctions, war mongering and dis/misinfo against Russia is NOT about the peace and well-being Ukraine and her people. The Anglo-Saxon seapowers (US & UK) are so afraid that Europe, Russia & China will become united and integrited into Eurasia, which would render their seapower and sea-holdings around the world into irrelevence. Therefore, US & UK are determined to kill the Eurasia unity no matter how much it costs the European people.
Macron and Scholz should see through the Anglo-Saxon machination against Euro interests, but these EU leaders are so coward and full of racial prejudice against “Snow Nigger” (Russian) and “Yellow Peril” (Chinese), they are willing to kill the well-bing of their own European citizens to serve the Anglo-Saxon.
Top EU diplomat Borrell: “We western people, US and EU, we have been ruling the world …

Posted by: lulu | Feb 23 2022 21:33 utc | 123

breaking news – from rt..
Claiming Kiev’s “aggression” has only increased since Moscow recognized the breakaway Ukrainian regions as independent states, and calling the targeting of civilians a “genocide,” the leaders of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics beseeched Russian President Vladimir Putin for military help in letters published on Wednesday.
DPR’s Denis Pushilin and LPR’s Leonid Pasechnik wrote to Putin separately, but both letters were dated Tuesday, February 22.
Both leaders invoked articles 3 and 4 of the newly ratified treaties on cooperation and mutual aid with Russia, asking Moscow to “render aid in repelling the military aggression of the Ukrainian regime,” which they say is being waged against them.

Posted by: james | Feb 23 2022 21:36 utc | 124

Gravedigger | Feb 23 2022 20:41 utc | 109 – you’re better to join azoz battalion then to be posting here…

Posted by: james | Feb 23 2022 21:36 utc | 125

Don Bacon @125–
Curious article. The art of trying to get people to believe the subjective instead of the objective has existed for thousands of years–all religions are based on that whereas most philosophical systems are not. The advent of modern communications enhanced the ability of those seeking to manipulate people/societies into false/subjective beliefs and was then combined with modern psychology very successfully prior to and during WW1. Thereafter, it’s only increased its pervasiveness and power to convince/brainwash. The Information War is all about getting people to believe the subjective instead of the objective. Unfortunately, the subjective lends itself easily to short soundbites, while the objective is always more complex and detailed in its explanation. That’s why Russia and China seem to be “messier” in presenting information than the Outlaw US Empire. That’s also the primary reason why I mostly present the non-US views and information since few are exposed to it and need to know it for it’s mostly objective–Putin’s speech being an excellent example.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 23 2022 21:50 utc | 126

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2022 21:22 utc | 120
Great Roger, thanks for the reminder. Parenti is dynamite. That YouTube link is terrific, one of the best of Parenti’s talks.
Just watch the opening ten minutes of that clip. I guarantee you’ll not be disappointed.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 23 2022 21:50 utc | 127

@Posted by: YourMom | Feb 23 2022 16:50 utc | 33
I think it was Nasrallah who once said that fanatics always end fighting each other…

Posted by: Givi | Feb 23 2022 21:54 utc | 128

piece by Anatole Liven – British commentator of posh Russian ancestry – many usual platitudes but also much sense – https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/23/canceling-talks-with-russia-wont-achieve-anything/
Key quote
“NATO countries’ despatch of small numbers of troops to NATO members in eastern Europe is purely symbolic, since Russia has no intention of attacking them. NATO countries’ withdrawal of their diplomats from Kiev and observers from the OSCE mission is also symbolic — of cowardice, decadence, and a lack of any genuine commitment to Ukraine. U.S. diplomats, who have already fled Kiev for the far west of Ukraine, have now been ordered to spend the night in Poland “for security reasons.” What sort of message about Western courage and resolve does that send to the rest of the world?
– in my opinion the message is that if are a country that needs someone to depend on then do not trust the West to have your back- unless you have an influential diaspora of voters in marginal constituencies / swing states

Posted by: Aslangeo | Feb 23 2022 21:54 utc | 129

Sid Victor Cattoni #17

Not one Western country has suffered any consequences for turning Libya into a failed state: not France, not the UK, not Canada, not Italy and not the US. So long as they continue to suffer no consequences, they will continue to do what they do.

That is it in a nutshell. The UKUSA are not going to stop their plunder and destruction. They will continue on with Taiwan incessantly until China firmly puts a stop to it. They will continue with their destruction in South America, Africa, Indonesia, South Asia and on and on. The hegemon will rampage until they are stopped by confrontation or economic collapse. So it goes.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 23 2022 22:26 utc | 130

Diane Johnstone is always worth reading. There was a time when she, and Mike Whitney, were both regulars at Counterpunch. Those days are gone.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/23/diana-johnstone-us-foreign-policy-is-a-cruel-sport/
Paul Robinson’s blog is generally good on Russia. But these are tough times for honest men in places like Universities. There is a new McCarthyism around but unlike the 50s there aren’t many refuges for dissidents. Ask Assange and Snowden. The mob outside the bar is growing. And it’s drunk on the buzz it gets from the media. Or maybe it is rabid.
https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/

Posted by: bevin | Feb 23 2022 22:31 utc | 131

@94 reante

Circe, what IS naive is preferring Russia (despite your claiming to do so under no illusions) AT ALL. Sure, Russia is cooler. But so what? We’re not in high school anymore.

Lord! There’s nothing I hate more than being misquoted and misinterpreted. In my post to Ben, I referred to my being on the side of the greater good, and with whomever is the catalyst for it at the time in question, and never do I mention there that I prefer anyone. My allegiance is with the greater outcome for good and the truth.
Your comment is very abstract and I’m not going to parse it now. What we have here is simple: Russia is being boxed in by USNATO and its security threatened via Ukraine. Ukraine is being used for hostile purposes against Russia and it is too willing and eager to do the bidding of USNATO.
I am 110% against what is going on, i.e. the USNATO/Ukraine dynamic to contain and isolate Russia, therefore, I feel that Putin has every right to defend the security of Russia and the Russian-speaking people of Donbas. In standing up to USNATO via Ukraine, Putin is challenging the unipolar authority of USNATO and opening the door to a multipolar world as it should be and was meant to be after WWII!
China and Russia have automatic veto power at the U.N.S.C. because they are global powers in the same right as the other 3 permanent members, and peace is not possible without that balance, and USNATO denies them the right instituted by the UN within international legal parameters. USNATO is an antagonist and provocateur operating outside the parameters of international law.
This theater, as you call it, is a necessary evil destined to check the hegemonic control and tyranny exercised by the US unilaterally and also via USNATO, and to establish multipolarity whereby no powerful country can monopolize global power even in concert with allies that amount to vassals. USNATO circumvents the authority of the UN.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 23 2022 22:32 utc | 132

Posted by: b | Feb 23 2022 15:55 utc | 14
“Get ready for another happy Russian invasion day.”
Perhaps Hallmark should partner with the Neocons to make holiday cards for this. Happening 1-2x/week now it’s gotta be a huge market.
If Punxsutawney Phil sees his shadow, it should go on for six weeks.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 23 2022 22:38 utc | 133

Russia has been asked for help by the 2 new republics. They are hardly likely to refuse. The question is how many troops will they send and where will they be placed (my guess is Mariupol region will be the hotspot). Needless to say this will be called another invasion.
https://www.bbc.com/news

Posted by: dh | Feb 23 2022 22:41 utc | 134

there were not many refuges for US dissidents in the 50’s either. A lot of people lost their careers, some were imprisoned iirc. The U.S. has often been a harsh place for people that fight the powers that be.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 23 2022 22:49 utc | 135

There were question as to who else besides Russia would recognize LNR/DNR as “republics”. I suggested that China may consider so after a while. Today, there is this news titbits on Global Times Chinese edition:
https://world.huanqiu.com/article/46wLTcx2gjY
I search the English edition of GT but couldn’t find a corresponding piece. This one on the Chinese edition is just a two-liner, quoting Donetsk People’s Republic military spokesperson, saying Ukraine Military is deploying “sleet” multipipe rockets artilleries. Significance is, it calls Donetsk “Donetsk People’s Republic. De facto recognition???

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 23 2022 22:52 utc | 136

Not a Brit but that condition as you nicely put it is an entitlement.
WRT kicking Russians arse.
Could the Brits cobble two fully equipped brigades these days for foreign adventures?
Any Briton to explain the meaning of “full tonto”? Also, is Wallace’s condition congenital, or acquired?
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 23 2022 15:25 utc | 6

Posted by: Jpc | Feb 23 2022 23:01 utc | 137

Re Chinese or Indian recognition of the peoples republics,
I cannot see it happening, both the Asian giants have separatist movements of their own and do not want to accept any such precedent, neither of the Asian giants have recognised Kosovo
It does not mean that they are hostile to what Russia is doing

Posted by: Aslangeo | Feb 23 2022 23:02 utc | 138

Am I imagining this?
Is a large % of Republicans ready to dump Ukraine?
Trump just called Putin a genius
Pompeo expressed admiration of him
the Daily Caller sends me ads on how to invest when Biden’s War With Russia wrecks the economy !!!!
I think National Review just did a stupid article on the history of Republican isolation.
What is going on?
Could they ditch the Cold War if re-elected? If Biden triggers $5 – $6 gas, what do Republicans do if they get back?

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 23 2022 23:07 utc | 139

Radio in the us continues to use the term “invasion”.
This is the “on the hour” news updates that radio stations use.
Despite there being no invasion.
We (my house) laugh each time it’s said.
We also laugh, and cry, when audio clips of FJB are played.
As bad of an actor that the US is, and some like to make out the us public as ignorant,
we aren’t supporting the govt as it stands.
Many of us are laughing, and crying, at the US policies.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Feb 23 2022 23:15 utc | 140

@139 … Chinese translation refers to ‘Grad’ systems, nothing new. Doesn’t sound like recognition, Chinese being understated (this all works out just great for them no matter what now), but they will in any case not be inclined to support any US hegemonic anything after the Huawei and Meng Wanzhou episodes

Posted by: ptb | Feb 23 2022 23:17 utc | 141

@142 – no not a chance. they’re just making traditional Republican criticism of Democrats as too weak

Posted by: ptb | Feb 23 2022 23:18 utc | 142

Eighthman | Feb 23 2022 23:07 utc | 142 “If Biden triggers $5 – $6 gas, what do Republicans do if they get back?”
Attack Iran and China. The only argument in the US is about who they should be attacking.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2022 23:18 utc | 143

Today’s Takungpao editorial discussed three probable endgames for the Donbass region:
1) the Georgia/Ossetia model. Russia take military action against Ukraine forcing it to plead for peace, and pledge to never join NATO. Since 2008 there was no talk anywhere of Georgia joining NATO.
2) the Crimea model. LNR/DNR hold ballots and vote to join RF, and Russia accepts. It is believed that the international opinion would also abide by this.
3) Russia and Ukraine fight a proxy war (Russia being LDNR proxy), with the ultimate outcome that Ukraine as a whole returns to RF’s fold. This would result in a heavy price to be paid, but does settle the Russian security concerns once and for all.
Takungpao is the China-leaning news paper of Hong Kong, and has been the conduit of Chinese dogma for PRC in Hong Kong since 1949. This editorial carries the weight of PRC central committee approval.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 23 2022 23:21 utc | 144

@pretzelattack #138
if you include in the dissident category also the Blacks claiming equal rights – than we are talking not only about careers, but lives – and very often indeed, to this day.

Posted by: bystander 04 | Feb 23 2022 23:22 utc | 145

Thanks for the book recommendation, JB.

Posted by: Greek | Feb 23 2022 23:23 utc | 146

@ 142
While many mainstream republicans have a high opinion of Pompeo, I don’t.
And neither do my hard core conservative friends.
We all know that Pompeo is CIA, and he is poison.
Pompeo is part of the problem.
And it doesn’t surprise me that he gets MSM play still.
Trump is right.
Putin is a genius.
How many of us here said that RF should recognize the republics?
And then it happened.
There are a ton of Trump republicans, who are not on board at all with the Republican Party,

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Feb 23 2022 23:26 utc | 147

Eighthman @142–
Biden isn’t done until 20 January 2025, unless he wins in 2024. “Losing” Congress in 2022 won’t change much since Biden destroyed his own election campaign promises just as Obama did–they’re owned by the same Donors.
Remember that Trump and Pompeo are members of the same club as Biden–the Duopoly–and the contrived friction is mere theatre. Who began the Cold War versus China? Trump and Pompeo. Which two nations were always considered “competitors”–enemies–during the entirety of Trump’s term? Russia and China. Was there ever a time since 1917 when Russia wasn’t considered an enemy by the Outlaw Anglo Empire aside from the short period when they were allies of convenience, 1941-1945? No. Many historians including myself consider relations between the Anglos and Russians since 1917 to be non-stop Cold War excepting the period 1941-1945. The internal record provides proof for our assessment.
Biden has no control over the price of hydrocarbons. Our current inflation’s a very longstanding product that began with Alan Greenspan during Reagan/Bush and the current astronomical asset bubble blown by Janet Yellen, Obama then Trump’s Fed Chair and now Biden’s Treasury Secretary, followed by Jerome Powell, the current Fed Chairman. All are Neoliberal Vampire Squids. For the dire state of our macroeconomy, I suggest reading Shadowstats current assessment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 23 2022 23:32 utc | 148

Reply to 145
I get the pro – War obsession across both parties. I also get that Germany (and other EU nations) are cowards. When your society gets apologetic about arresting immigrants who commit rape, what else can be said?
But inflation is here and if this gets worse, somebody has to flip on Cold War. Like with Vietnam and Afghanistan.
On China, there was some story about secret instructions in China that got published about news on Russia. Pretty much, say nothing bad.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 23 2022 23:34 utc | 149

@7 ptb It’s not the true believers that I am talking about but the 50-60-80% of ordinary Joe Soaps who are struggling to get by. They still vote though. They may have other options as you say, assuming they have the time or interest to look. In the meanwhile, the long meanwhile, the Mockingbird approach will work just fine.
@37 james

there are 2 wars going on.. info war and real war… the west will always win the info war, but it is the war on the ground that matters the most…

Sure, I get you and that is why I have changed my position in recent days. b’s article though was almost entirely about the info war. I was responding to that.
@55 vinnieoh I suspect they are already here. Thankfully there are sufficient big boots to stamp on them.

Posted by: echelon | Feb 23 2022 23:45 utc | 150

Sanctions get sticky for Australia’s Rio Tinto.
From the paywalled AFR:
“…Rio’s aluminium division has extensive supply contracts with Russian company Rusal, and Rusal owns 20 per cent of Rio’s alumina refinery in Queensland, meaning Rio could face disruption as governments impose sanctions on Russian companies after this week’s invasion of Ukraine.
Mr Stausholm said he was confident sanctions would not derail the recovery in the aluminium division given Rio had navigated similar issues when the US government imposed sanctions on Russian companies in 2018…”

Posted by: Paul | Feb 23 2022 23:45 utc | 151

bevin | Feb 23 2022 21:27
Hey Bevin, I too enjoyed John Helmer’s body language analysis of Putin’s great speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJl6u13LqeQ (starts about 20 minutes in, closed captions in English available at the “cc” button below the video)
I watched much of the speech on video. Even though I don’t speak Russian the tone and certain words were very clear. Wearing a black suit and starched white shirt, he added a very dark red tie rather than the typical silver or other light color.
He sat back in his chair, with his hands on the large desk in front of him. Most of the speech was covered by the camera directly in front of him, with another camera angle from slightly above and left showing his executive desk, a Russian flag beside, tv monitor and computers in front and a bank of telephones and a switchboard to his left.
The tone was measured, confident and powerful. Perhaps even regretful but certainly not hesitant. The John Helmer piece covers this well.
In contrast, the speech he gave after meeting Macron has him in a blue suit and blue tie, standing, almost shouting, gesturing with an outstretched arm and index finger towards the audience. It was clear he was frustrated and allowed himself to demonstrate stress and emotion, perhaps even anger. He stated something like “I allowed this man to waste 5 [or did he say 6?] hours of my time.”
Although I agree Russia’s leadership is much more than VV Putin and try to avoid the cult of personality that some use to view him as the state itself, I have paid some attention to his speeches and demeanor over time.
karlof1 hosts the English text of the 4-question press conference the Russian President gave after these most dramatic events. I noticed that he says that he personally wrote the Minsk documents.

We haven’t just been doing this for seven, almost eight years. When I say “we”, I mean Russia, and your humble servant was the author of the documents.

Another telling revelation from this modest man.

Posted by: jonku | Feb 23 2022 23:51 utc | 152

Thanks to Pepe Escobar for pointing me to “Sergey Karaganov: Russia’s new foreign policy, the Putin Doctrine: Moscow’s confrontation with NATO is just the start.” The opening paragraphs:
“It seems like Russia has entered a new era of its foreign policy – a ‘constructive destruction’, let’s call it, of the previous model of relations with the West. Parts of this new way of thinking have been seen over the last 15 years – starting with Vladimir Putin’s famous Munich speech in 2007 – but much is only just becoming clear now. At the same time, lackluster efforts to integrate into the western system, while maintaining a doggedly defensive attitude, has remained the general trend in Russia’s politics and rhetoric.
“Constructive destruction is not aggressive. Russia maintains it isn’t going to attack anyone or blow them up. It simply doesn’t need to. The outside world provides Russia with more and more geopolitical opportunities for medium-term development as it is. With one big exception. NATO’s expansion and formal or informal inclusion of Ukraine poses a risk to the country’s security that Moscow simply won’t accept.
“For now, the West is on course to a slow but inevitable decay, both in terms of internal and external affairs and even the economy. And this is precisely why it has started this new Cold War after almost five hundred years of domination in world politics, the economy, and culture. Especially after its decisive victory in the 1990s to mid-2000s. I believe [1] it will most likely lose, stepping down as the global leader and becoming a more reasonable partner. And not a moment too soon: Russia will need to balance relations with a friendly, but increasingly more powerful China.”
I’ve only read the above so far and already see faults in this assessment. But more about that later. Happy reading!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 23 2022 23:53 utc | 153

@Guy from US (66) I check Counterpunch everyday, and I do not detect an anti-Russian slant. As far as defending the Democratic Party is concerned, editor-in-chief, Jeffrey St Clair, takes giant dumps on the Dems with great regularity. Perhaps you need to read more carefully.

Posted by: Rob | Feb 24 2022 0:00 utc | 154

https://dailycaller.com/2022/02/23/tulsi-gabbard-ukraine-joe-biden-vladimir-putin/?utm_medium=email&pnespid=6rk3BCVebKwGg.XarS23H4_DpwnyCZVvLuytz_tpp0JmHKLHA34qcxIXGkMuSNXHqHWmVhzD
Here’s another. I forgot about Carlson, too.
As to oil prices, the US sanctions Venezuela, Iran and Russia. Israel and Republicans will scream about any Iran deal, along with warmonger Menendez (D-NJ).
Gotta Big Question ! Can Russia get away with demanding gold or rubles for its exports?

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 24 2022 0:01 utc | 155

oh sure I count people fighting for civil rights, so many murders; “strange fruit” and people taking that age’s equivalent of selfies with the corpse(s), MLK, the activists that were murdered in Mississipi (where Reagan began his presidential campaign), and labor organizers, hell it might go back to the Whiskey Rebellion.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 24 2022 0:02 utc | 156

Putin wants a de-militarized, neutral Ukraine. So I guess he’ll have the Russian military go in and knock out with surgical strikes every piece of weaponry delivered by the U.S. and NATO over the years. I write this because no way is the U.S. going to allow Ukraine to give up U.S. weapons systems to Russia. I’m being facetious, but the fact is that Ukraine will have to be de-militarized by force. It could end with that, but USNATO will push Ukraine to escalation. So there will be war.
No other way out since Ukraine and USNATO want to dig in their heels.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 0:07 utc | 157

@ echelon | Feb 23 2022 23:45 utc | 153… thanks.. okay – got it!
@ jonku | Feb 23 2022 23:51 utc | 155… i read helmers post too.. thank you bevin! i like how you ended your post jonku with that quote.. modesty is a beautiful thing..
@ : karlof1 | Feb 23 2022 23:53 utc | 156… thanks! will check it out..

Posted by: james | Feb 24 2022 0:11 utc | 158

ah now the MSM trots out George Bush Jr., to share a very alarming quote from Putin he supposedly remembers from 2008. yeah old Georgie the peace advocate.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 24 2022 0:14 utc | 159

Gravedigger | 109
As one (newish) occupant of a bar stool, imma kinda chuffed you addressed your first comment to me! I lurked for years before deciding I had something to contribute (old timers here might be divided on the validity of my self assessment!).
[Re further discussion on Oz vax rates… see you in the next open thread]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 0:15 utc | 160

@153 echelon
Fair point, probably neither time nor interest to go in depth for most

Posted by: ptb | Feb 24 2022 0:18 utc | 161

It does look that an actual invasion is occurring. Only hours to confirm if this is so.
Whatever it is, bigger and sooner than I’d expected.
For information use Intel Slava and Bellum Acta on Telegram.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 24 2022 0:23 utc | 162

pretzelattack | 162
Just *imagine* if the Russians released unredacted and unabridged their files and diplomatic cables on JFK, 9/11, … and a few other globally impacting events.
Sometimes there’s a “name 3 or 5 people living or dead you’d invite to a dinner party”.
I now nominate Lavrov, on the condition someone primes him with truth serum …. Imagine an undiplomatic Lavrov, spilling the juiciest gossip / facts from the past 50 years.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 0:24 utc | 163

Rae @ 124,
“global” as a modifier of “industrial output” is unquestionable insofar as it means total output. Total industrial output on planet Earth.
‘Globalist’ output would also be the highest total output possible by industrialism. Which is why precisely why globalism exists in the first place, but only for a very short while longer.
And things start to make EVEN more sense when you realize that the global elites, as the megalomaniacs that they are, are the opposite of suicidal, and therefore everything starting with the globally coordinated fake pandemic is them implementing a perestroika, from growth to Degrowth.
This is what Degrowth looks like: one crisis stage play after another, each with the goal of destroying demand — and fine-tuning that destruction — in advance of fossil fuel production declines. So that chaos is averted.
Yet people still want to discuss the geopolitical theatrics on the stage, as if the military strategy of ANY country wasn’t beholden to international finance.
Nevermind analysing the set pieces themselves, so that we can see the managerial wisdom required to simultaneously ductape and reconfigure the industrial Machine as it breaks apart; to decentralize the central petrodollar that cannot hold. Maybe people see such analysis as too speculative but what IS far too speculative is treating theater like it’s reality. That’s speculative! And that’s the point of it, too, lol.

Posted by: reante | Feb 24 2022 0:27 utc | 164

Ukraine’s SCM investment company, with business interests including in the coastal Donetsk area, announces sort-of a charitable contribution to the Ukraine state. Voluntary early payment of $34.5M taxes, and offers to organize humanitarian actions. Somewhat reminiscent of 2015? Possibly an arrangement of private protection for Mariupol?? but this time before (possible) major fighting, possibly in anticipation of it??
https://www.scm.com.ua/en/news/rinat-ahmetov-yednist-zaraz-pitannya-vizhivannya-krajini-mi-pidtrimayemo-ukrajinu-i-splatimo-1-mlrd-grn-podatkiv-napered

Posted by: ptb | Feb 24 2022 0:29 utc | 165

Per/Norway | 107

We recommend that British servicemen study well not only the geography of Russia, but also its history. In order not to enrich our common military history with their lives in order to please poorly educated British politicians, ” Konashenkov concluded.

More. Of. This. Please.
If only Russia had returned fire earlier in this Information War. If they had, imho we wouldn’t be here now.
The U$A has taken Russian silence as consent and servility.
Tough guy talk John Wayne style is what they are programmed to respect

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 0:41 utc | 166

Apparently Zelensky called Putin earlier and Putin didn’t take his call.
Also commercial flights are being banned by Russia over Northeastern Ukraine.
Hmmm, is systems jam next? Feels like some fireworks might be coming…

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 0:54 utc | 167

No, mr Malschik, the american troops in Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo
did NOT technically invade Serbia, did they?
Because US entering into camp bondsteel didnot count.
And Germans do want the gas and will get more inflation without it but they dont want the gas to the point of certifying the duct… UNTIL the boss gets appeased.
Ich verstehe nicht.

Posted by: augusto | Feb 24 2022 0:56 utc | 168

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 23 2022 16:45 utc | 29
Thanks for the Global Times cartoon:
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202202/1252953.shtml
I have forwarded it to friends in five countries and the first reply was ‘yup’. I hope it goes viral.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 24 2022 1:03 utc | 169

Dear USNato:
Putin is going to do what Israel does in either Syria, Lebanon and Palestine every 2nd day when it deems its security is threatened.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 1:03 utc | 170

posted this on the previous thread, unfortunately at the very end. Some barflies may appreciate the info.
Re the demise of NS2,
The following gem is extracted from CNN’s article with the title “Good riddance NS2.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/23/opinions/nord-stream-2-germany-putin-gas-energy-hockenos/index.html
quote:”In fact, the pipeline was wildly controversial from the get-go, over a decade ago. Natural gas after all is a fossil fuel, the combustion of which emits high quantities of methane, a potent greenhouse gas. In Germany, natural gas is responsible for 20% of carbon emissions — in other words, it’s not in the least bit climate friendly.”
I mean, how can the combustion of methane (the principal constituent of Natural Gas) generate great amounts of methane? It will generate CO2 and Water and liberate the trace gasses like Helium that are present in the mix.
Now, the gaseous Natural Gas piped from Russian would be replaced by LNG, liquefied Natural Gas.
At most, natural gas may be emitted accidentally by a pipeline when same is ruptured or leaks via some defective joint but it is generally minimal.
However, LNG is a different animal. Gaseous LNG must be compressed and cooled until it liquefies at around -160C, after which it is cooled further via refrigeration until it reaches as low a temperature as possible, circa -198C or less.
It is then transferred to cryogenic tanks which are big thermos type vessels generally able to withstand 7 to 10 ATM before safety valves vent the excess pressure.
Even though these vessels are carefully insulated, heat leaks towards the inside and raises the liquid’s temperature. Pressure rises as the liquid heats up until the safety valve opens and releases natural gas to the atmosphere. The liquid boils, and therefore cools until its temperature drops and pressure is reduced to below venting specs. This repeats itself all along and these vessels emit gases periodically until the gas is eventually drawn or exhausted.
Mind you, while in the storage tank awaiting transfer to the carrying vessel, it will vent as needed unless the storage tank is equipped with a cooling system, expensive to acquire and install, and expensive to run.
Once in the carrying vessel the same cycle will repeat itself until destination is reached. Whatever has been loaded will not reach destination in its entirety. Some will be spewed along the way.
Then, when destination is reached, the receiving tank must be cooled to reduce the back pressure so transfer will be possible from the carrier to the receiving terminal. This is sometimes done by venting methane (Natural Gas) to the atmosphere as required and it may be a substantial quantity depending on the pumps capacity to overcome back pressure.
From the receiving shore terminal, cryogenic tanker trucks will be loaded, and transported to the users or distributor facility where it will be vaporized to be used or piped further as a gas.
So if the environment is a concern LNG is not the answer. More methane ends up in the atmosphere than thru gas pipelines.
But CNN is serving Kool aid to its flocks, as usual.
Posted by: CarlD | Feb 23 2022 23:36 utc | 382
CarlD

Posted by: CarlD | Feb 24 2022 1:04 utc | 171

I don’t see an invasion anytime soon. I question whether Russia can move the equipment needed anytime soon.
However, all this threat must be wrecking the Ukraine economy. Air travel slashed, people running away from the conflict and drafts/ call ups of reservists who likely have jobs.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 24 2022 1:05 utc | 172

Circe @135,
WADR, regarding the ‘misunderstanding,’ my point stands. You’re ‘greater good’ reformulation is indistinguishable from the ‘lesser evil’ formulation. There’s another formulation — a separate peace if you will — that simply sees the waves of civilization washing back and forth.
You gave a fine synopsis of, and context surrounding, the climactic scene that is on the stage in front of us all at this moment. And I fully agree with your synopsis.
But the REASON that it is theater — as in, a public presentation of a reality instead of actual reality — is because it causes you to believe that the ‘USNATO’ is a true hegemon when it’s not.
‘USNATO’ is merely the military side of the petrodollar system that emerged out of mature industrialism in order to maximize global profiteering. The petrodollar system is what Russia gladly entered in the wake of the Soviet collapse. Russia owes everything it has now to the petrodollar system.
The true hegemon is the petrodollar system, and it has lorded itself over almost every human on the planet. USNATO vs Russia two-way propaganda is not a real dynamic, it’s just the establishment story being manufactured in order to help billions of people accept another cover narrative (right on the heels of the plandemic) for the relentless industrial collapse.
What is actually happening is simply how those that RUN the petrodollar system are going about unwinding the dying system in such a way as to best maintain control as the wheels come off.
There’s a great redistribution of natural resources underway, so as to create resilience among the nuclear countries above all, both regarding weapons and nuclear power generation. Nuclear stability is the first priority of Degrowth. Nuclear stability means reliable access to dwindling fossil fuels. This Ukraine drama is a pure misdirection play. Russia reacquiring the Ukraine STABILIZES nuclear europe’s energy supply because the Ukraine is broke and on the brink of collapse and it has Europe’s natural gas transiting through it.
Last summer the US handed Iraq’s oil production to China on a platter, because nuclear China has no oil.
The US is getting things in return, because the shale play is just about done.
We need to start reading between the lines and not get caught up in the drama.

Posted by: reante | Feb 24 2022 1:07 utc | 173

@melaleuca
Did you just call him “newish”?
‘d’you?

Posted by: Platero | Feb 24 2022 1:07 utc | 174

@Circe
Relax. I don’t think we need any war cheers.

Posted by: Platero | Feb 24 2022 1:10 utc | 175

@156 Cont’d–
Impressive read with much to consider, question and find answers, while also matching the context as seen from outside Russia. To comment intelligently one must know most of the underlying context; I’ll be honest and admit I know enough to be literate and just competent enough to comment despite my efforts to know as much as I can–as much as I watch Russia, I’m not a professional Russian watcher. I hope some Russian barflies chime in and provide their commentary as it’s very much needed. But now’s the time for an adult beverage.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2022 1:17 utc | 176

“There Is Still No ‘Russian Invasion'”
Not according to ABC nightly news!!!!!! I was getting my dose of comedy reporting when David Muir kept pushing the narative of russian forces have already invaded ukraine. Minutes later, While interviewing SS Blinken, David finally pushed Blinken to acknowdege the invasion. 5 min later David is interviewing Martha Raddatz LIVE from ukraine. Martha states the latest update; the russian invasion force are within 5 km of the ukrainian border!!!!
OOOooppss!!! Martha apparently did not get the memo in time!.. SO ABC had to cut off their last segment and bring Martha back live to report, yes the invasion is ON now!!!
hope someone recorded tonights ABC news.
Frankly at this rate, I’dn’t be surprised if by tomorrow we hear the russian are coming,in Alaska. Oh wait, that was in the 1950s. Oh well, Those darn russkies probably have poor piss GPS system and can’t find their way around!!!! For all we know, they probably invaded Belarus , thinking they are in ukraine!!!!
The idocity of the elits and their corp media knows no boundry!

Posted by: Rd | Feb 24 2022 1:38 utc | 177

https://www.kp.ru/daily/27368/4550142/
Rumours, Ukraine dared their “operation Burza”, now-or-never
They managed to infiltrate into LPR across the river and knock LPR guards off two hills. They had to hold those hills and make pontton crossing the river. But failed. Artillery kicked in and prevented expansion. The hills, by rumors in our large yellowpaper, were taken back.
Also, heavy MRLS were allegedly filmed moving night streets in Russian regions adjacent to LDPR

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 1:40 utc | 178

ш ьуфтеб Operacija Oluja not Burza
the same word but different language

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 24 2022 1:42 utc | 179

@ barflies “concerned” with China’s “role” in the current “theatre” of war in Donbas.
May I offer some words of solace:
Putin and Xi met in Beijing at the Olympic opener. They signed numerous documents being a wide range of contracts, treaties and “understandings”.
Few in the west have bothered to parse these.
Karlof…our seemingly inexhaustible researcher, offered some insights, but collectively our attention has been diverted to the latest “shiny”. (Understandably!!!)
Russia’s action this week may have caught the west by surprise.
But I am of the view the Chinese had been well briefed. Not about the exact timing, or the play-by-play, but the objectives. That if the U$A persisted in “poking the bear”, Russia would respond from a range of its available options.
Put simply Russia has exactly what it needs from China right now.
Like a good neighbour, to who you entrust you house keys when you go away for a month. Could be a “just in case”, or for daily access to feed the cat.
Could they rifle through your bedroom drawers, or peruse last year’s tax return in the filing cabinet. Yes. But you are confident they will not.
In taking on US/NATO Russia is wearing its Big Boy pants.
It doesn’t need flowery rhetoric of “support” and emoji laden “IstandwithRussia” hashtags.
Russia has trust and confidence China is on “neighbourhood watch” along Russia’s “backyard”, being the Pacific coast, allowing it to focus on its European borders.
The U$A has been forced into whacamole.
Too great a focus on Europe, and China *might* (it fears,) make a move in Taiwan or become active somewhere in the South China Sea, (or Oceania).
Iran, too, needs constant monitoring.
Suddenly, being the world’s only superpower is exhausting. And there’s no respite on the home front, with this decade of incendiary domestic politics unresolved and unrelenting.
China did what Russia needed it to do: Blinkenidiot phoned Wang Yi re “Russian aggression” in Ukraine. He was told: “Minsk agreements.” The conversation was short and “unsatisfactory” to the US.
“Concern” that China is not “ howling along”, like good tabaquis “should”, is very much a western obsession.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 1:46 utc | 180

karlof1
“‘constructive destruction’, let’s call it, of the previous model of relations with the West.”
“With one big exception. NATO’s expansion and formal or informal inclusion of Ukraine poses a risk to the country’s security that Moscow simply won’t accept.”
That one big exception makes the rest of the article null and void. Russia wasn’t going to talk forever with the US about security. I think NATO will now be seeing the pointy end of Russia’s military tech. NATO being US in Europe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 1:46 utc | 181

CarlD | 174
Even without venting it takes a lot of energy to cool the gas. Energy equal to some percentage (which I can’t find) of the NG energy content.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Feb 24 2022 1:47 utc | 182

Put Donbass into twitter search and you get news from Donbass. Spell it Donbas and you get the tweets from the Ukie side of the loc. On the Ukie side there were some shots of phones with the messages from the Russian military.
The celebrations in Donbass when Russia recognized the republics.
https://twitter.com/TinaStrong61/status/1495917936640503813

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 1:56 utc | 183

@aquadraht 115
Yes exactly, the propaganda is so out of control I’m having trouble sifting it. Found it curious( suspicious) what’s being flung.
Btw I’m pro team Russia, my government on OTOH is one of the baddies!
Cheers

Posted by: Gravedigger | Feb 24 2022 2:02 utc | 184

Platero | 177
>>…”Did you just call him “newish”?”
Nah. An “onya m8”. Gravedigger just cracked the top off his very first beverage here at the bar.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 2:04 utc | 185

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Sanctions-Will-Not-Target-Russias-Oil-And-Gas-Exports.html
Guys, if true, this is huge. Another article on Oil Price mentions Russian exports of metals and wheat. This isn’t 1945. The West isn’t accustomed to sacrifice for war. They’ve bombed poor defenseless brown skinned people who couldn’t fight back for decades.
This whole thing could hang on a few hushed words deep in the financial community, the real string pullers of government.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 24 2022 2:06 utc | 186

lulu | 126k
In the 4chan lexicon. If Russians are “snowniggers”, Chinese are “riceniggers”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 2:33 utc | 187

karlof1 @151; Exactly. I’m exhausted from reading. Soooo, no boots on the ground in the breakaways?
That’s big news..Up is down, down is up..

Posted by: vetinLA | Feb 24 2022 2:38 utc | 188

Posted by: Rob | Feb 24 2022 0:00 utc | 157

@Guy from US (66) I check Counterpunch everyday, and I do not detect an anti-Russian slant.

You’re joking, right?
Just looking at the front page today, I see two:
1. Kennet Surin: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/23/londongrad-putins-easy-access-to-the-tories/
2. Patrick Cockburn: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/23/putins-advance-into-ukraine-compares-with-saddam-husseins-invasion-of-kuwait-a-disaster-for-russia/
Perhaps you should readjust your sitting angle to detect the slant …
I didn’t bother looking further as I’m in no mood to spoil my breakfast.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 24 2022 2:38 utc | 189

A couple of years ago out of the blue Counterpunch did an egregious hatchet job on Caitlin Johnstone. That was the end for me. I’m convinced they’ve been bought off at some level.

Posted by: Rodrigo | Feb 24 2022 2:46 utc | 190

So it begins.

Posted by: S | Feb 24 2022 2:51 utc | 191

there’s now a russian invasion. enjoy your crow.

Posted by: line islands | Feb 24 2022 2:54 utc | 192

Karlof 151
>Re Russia being targeted by the Anglo-US from 1917.
Given the free “history lesson” proffered by a British buffoon yesterday, Russia has been in the Anglo cross hairs since …….
… the early 1800s. Resulting in the Crimea War
…the 1700s when the East India Company found itself stubbing its toe on Russian Empire interests?
Regardless of where one choses to stick a pin in the timeline of history, today’s confrontation of the West with the Russians has been a long time in arriving.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 24 2022 2:57 utc | 193

Putin has authorized start of military operation.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 24 2022 3:02 utc | 194

Melaleuca
I am just now ploughing my way through a world history book and last night got to the chapter on UK and Russia about 1860. Amazingly I think I could actually change a few names and you could write it as today. It was really surprising. The level of UK hatred for Russia surprised me. I was aware of issues but not quite the hate.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 24 2022 3:03 utc | 195

@ karlof1 129
Curious article. The art of trying to get people to believe the subjective instead of the objective has existed for thousands of years
I understand your position, but when I see somebody singing my song I join in, regardless of their pedigree. It’s essentially pertinent to the topic.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 3:06 utc | 196

watcher 198
Putin has said the same thing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 3:10 utc | 197

Some heavy rocket fire. No idea who is launching them though
https://twitter.com/ccastor221/status/1496684143534653440

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2022 3:16 utc | 198

One of the problems is that the UNSC Sec-General is a US-backed loser. Lavrov:

“To our great regret, the UN Secretary General whom you are representing turned out to be susceptible to pressure by the West and recently made several statements incompatible with his status and his authority under the UN Charter,” he said.
The Russian top diplomat noted that Moscow conveyed to Guterres its assessment of his statements. According to Lavrov, the UN Secretary General has never expressed support for the necessity to implement the Minsk Accords and the UN Security Council resolution on the same matter.
“With regards to the situation in Ukraine, the [UN] secretary general has not raised his voice even once to support the necessity of complying with the requirements of the Minsk Package of Measures and Resolution 2202 of the [UN] Security Council which directly demand to resolve all issues by coordination between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. Nobody mentioned this in the West. And, unfortunately, the secretary general followed this sad example,” the Russian foreign minister said. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 24 2022 3:19 utc | 199

Get a grip barflies.
Russia has been asked to provide security assistance, in writing, by the two new republics. Whatever movement of military occurs to support that intention is not an invasion.
And, as I continue to point out. Empire is in Syria and Palestine illegally/immorally and were not invited in for security support.
This distinction/contradiction is about to be made crystal clear to the world…..its a set up by masters…grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 3:21 utc | 200